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I couldn't find the thread last night, so I thought I would at least name it correctly tonight.

You need to try poorly to be witty with the thread names, it's better that way. :p

Fran got Rico suave into the nfl! Told you he can do everything! Ask him!

We have a player named Vick and are playing a "dog" team. I like our chances. Heyooooo.

@BShark ohhh took me awhile

Still about 15 minutes til tip because of the Maui

Badgers rolling right into Jayhawk time!

Anybody see the ref John Higgins?

@wissox said:

Badgers rolling right into Jayhawk time!

Corngrats

Hide yo kids!!! Lol

I would love to see this team come out with the same intensity as they did last night. Georgia is not a good rebounding or defensive team

@BeddieKU23

They don't really pressure on defense but also don't turn it over a ton. Should be a half court game. Going to have to see crisp passing and good execution for KU.

@BShark

I just hope we make shots and guys play to scouting report. Can't give Frazier any space to shoot outside, Maten is someone you have to think about doubling, can also step out and make perimeter shots if left open (which is something we give up often)

I predict LL returns to last season's form.

@kjayhawks said:

I predict LL returns to last season's form.

UGA posts are a pretty decent match-up for him. They don't appear to be explosive athletes.

@BShark

But I agree we need to be fundamental and not get key guys in foul trouble or make dumb turnovers

Seth Greeneberg is approaching Fran hate level for me. He usually doesn't have an opinion I agree with

@BeddieKU23 said:

Seth Greeneberg is approaching Fran hate level for me. He usually doesn't have an opinion I agree with

There is a reason he is an analyst and no longer coaching.

This aint pretty

3 minutes in... no fouls!

Yep, gonna be a plodding game.

ugly start

Our offense looks bad to start.

@HawkChamp

Definitely

what are we trying to do on offense?

Is it hard to read scouting report. Honestly its a 2 man team

@HawkChamp said:

what are we trying to do on offense?

Nothing more or less like the rest of the season. UGA is just organized defensively unlike previous opponents.

This will get better in time though, and it's good to play a team like this.

have to get into the lane. oh and guard Maten maybe

Jackson's going to have some 30 point games.

@approxinfinity well.. maybe if he hits his free throws.

@BeddieKU23 yeah Maten is the only one scoring for Georgia

Frank!!

wow, that was an impossible angle from Frank.

Good defensive effort there

@approxinfinity said:

@approxinfinity well.. maybe if he hits his free throws.

Indeed

Bad call - that was not a foul there

Josh is soooooo good.

These refs lol

BALL DONT LIE

Josh has a good start

Josh needs to transfer some of the smoothness of his short range jump shot to his FT shooting.

the refs really have it out for Lucas huh?

@BeddieKU23 said:

the refs really have it out for Lucas huh?

Pretty damn dumb

Josh Jackson = WOW

He is. Stone cold. He's just so damn smart with the ball.

Now Landon was too aggressive there. Has to be smarter and stay out of foul trouble

can we clone Jackson??

@BeddieKU23 said:

Josh Jackson = WOW

He is a transcendent talent. If he fixes his shot we are probably talking about a hofer barring injury.

@BShark

I don't understand how you can miss that call

oh i almost forgot this one

How many times is Fran gonna mention how much Weight Doke has lost. DID you weigh him yourself?

Bad defense bad Devonte

Maten is a stud

@BeddieKU23 said:

oh i almost forgot this one

How many times is Fran gonna mention how much Weight Doke has lost. DID you weigh him yourself?

He was carrying Doke on his back before the game.

good block

Svi's feet on transition D. Awesome.

Carlton is getting outhustled. He needs to man up

No wonder UGA couldn't pull away from GW this STUD Maten was in foul trouble.

Vick rough from outside

Devonte!!!

@BShark effort

Nice d from the guards

Indiana is losing by 7 to Fort Wayne, 8 minutes remaining.

we need to get Carlton the ball on the block

Like that we're seeing a zone to play against

Josh is sick of these refs lol

@wissox said:

Indiana is losing by 7 to Fort Wayne, 8 minutes remaining.

yarrrrr

Bragg not playing smart on that play. Come on guys!!!

Can't keep passing up open shots against the zone letting the clock become a factor

Alright Coleby, show these kids some grown man game.

Seeing fouls called now.

Man, our big guys just don't know how to play without fouling. They should know better by now

That was on Coleby? dunno bout that, but Josh'll take it!

we might be playing Tyler in the post by the end of the night.

Hard to defend any post player on this team after watching them hack themselves out this game

If we can keep it close with these fouls we'll be okay

NPOY Frank Mason! Anyone ever think that people would be calling him that?

suck it up, buttercups...put them away....

Devonte struggling shooting tonight

spoke too soon

zone??

oooh Devonte heating up.

Daring most of UGA's players to shoot threes with this zone isn't a bad idea...

What on earth was that from UGA ROFL

Good minutes by Coleby

Josh is our best post player LOLOL

Well Coleby isn't showing anything above the rim but he's moving well and doing alright. Dig it!

Well that would have been spectacular

@approxinfinity said:

Well Coleby isn't showing anything above the rim but he's moving well and doing alright. Dig it!

He may have to old man ball now. Hopefully next year his knee and mind are fully recovered.

I'd take froshJosh Jackson over frosh Andrew Wiggins any day.

Coleby playing tougher than the other bigs.

@HawkChamp said:

Coleby playing tougher than the other bigs.

Is it helping we are zoning?

Colby

two blocks for dwight!!

Geesh on that hook. Someone pass Coleby the WD40!

Does the ref understand concept of verticality?

I like Coleby's defensive effort, but no more shooting please lol

Love Coleby's minutes so far. besides that ugly shot attempt he's playing hard

@Bwag

no they defintely don't. But Svi did good to not allow a bucket

The funny thing about Vick is he shot well last year. This is why you can't trust garbage time and small sample size..

We need post game so bad....

@BShark

Really don't know why he's shooting so bad so far but I believe he's much better then he's showing

@approxinfinity said:

We need post game so bad....

In Josh we trust

Shut up Fran. Just shut up.

Oh Coleby....Josh HAD HIM.

Frank is really good

FRANK THE TANK

Correction to previous statement: UGA is a one Maten team, not two.

red does not look like white? What's up Coleby? Breathe man.

Man, got to force the other team to shoot a tough shot over the top instead of reaching in and fouling. This has to improve

Cole and Jeff aint walkin through that door FRANNY

Devonte is very three happy. Needs to drive and kick

Coleby's head looks like he got in a fight with that Lion that Embiid killed

@HawkChamp said:

Devonte is very three happy. Needs to drive and kick

But he's also passing up some clean looks. Passed up a catch and shoot for a dribble off balance at one point.

all in all we have to be happy to be up 10

Bill inside must be hurting- he had to resort to zone defense and he's laughing because it worked

Remarkable stat - ZERO front court points. DG, JJ and FM have 33 of our 35...

@BeddieKU23 nice Beddie

@DCHawker

If we win, heck I'm okay with it

A bright spot, only 3 TO's in the first half.

Coleby getting some good mins

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we have to stay in this zone because Georgia is so 1 dimensional tonight and Frazier is a non-factor

Getting the ball to Josh in the paint is kind of like front court points...kinda...

@BeddieKU23 Definitely not your father's typical Self team though....

JJ and Frank both had a nice half...

But yeah brutal half for our bigs.

@DCHawker it's a scary stat. Landen ended last season on a great streak. Bragg flirted with the draft. What is the explanation for this complete lack of production?

@BShark pathetic really. No fight against a one man team. Its a pride thing.

@DCHawker

Definitely, Self needs to adapt to the team and he's done it masterfully by going to that zone d, totally threw Georgia off

@DCHawker said:

Remarkable stat - ZERO front court points. DG, JJ and FM have 33 of our 35...

Only 4 players have scored. Amazing considering we've played 9.

@Bwag

Vick won't get credit but he gave Mason that 3 point play on that hustle tap

@HawkChamp said:

@BShark pathetic really. No fight against a one man team. Its a pride thing.

Self is surely pissed

The most dissapointing part of the bigs is Bragg's non effort to rebound tonight. If we didn't need him he'd be worth sending a message to tonight

@BeddieKU23 said:

@DCHawker

Definitely, Self needs to adapt to the team and he's done it masterfully by going to that zone d, totally threw Georgia off

Self has shown A LOT the last two seasons. I used to consider him to be way too rigid.

Indiana in OT against Fort Wayne. 1:19 left of Big10 network.

@BShark

Agreed, our best shot of scoring points is our 2 guards or getting Jackson in the lane. Everything else is a negative play on offense right now. Svi hasn't plugged himself tonight, shot has been short

@BShark Yeah, he softening up in his dotage - along with the beer belly... ;)

@BeddieKU23 said:

@BShark

Agreed, our best shot of scoring points is our 2 guards or getting Jackson in the lane. Everything else is a negative play on offense right now. Svi hasn't plugged himself tonight, shot has been short

Josh may be our Baylor zone killer.

@wissox said:

Indiana in OT against Fort Wayne. 1:19 left of Big10 network.

ROFL

@BShark watching

UNC up 10 on OK St

correction 13

IU down 1 with 20 secs...

Indiana has 3 pts in OT and it's almost over????? WTH

IPFW going to win!!

Holy crap what a play by Fort Wayne. IND probably gonna lose....

The Mastadons with the upset of the year!!!

what a pile of :poop: Indiana is

Matchup GA. KU

FG Made-Attempted 8-28 12-34

Field Goal % 28.6 35.3

3PT Made-Att 0-8 4-13

Three Point % 0.0 30.8

FT Made-Attempted. 9-15 7-11

Free Throw %. 60.0 63.6

Total Rebounds 25 20

Offensive Rebounds 8 7

Defensive Rebounds. 17 13

Team Rebounds. 0 0

Assists 2 6

Steals. 1 3

Blocks. 2 4

Turnovers 7 3

Team Turnovers 0 0

Total Turnovers 7 3

Personal Fouls 9 11

@BeddieKU23 love it! Sons friend is there

@BeddieKU23 said:

what a pile of :poop: Indiana is

We should have killed them. :|

@BShark they got hot and we were bad

@BeddieKU23 Well, when you think a game in November feels like a March game (aka, resume game), there's bound to be a let down

@Bwag said:

Matchup GA. KU

FG Made-Attempted 8-28 12-34

Field Goal % 28.6 35.3

3PT Made-Att 0-8 4-13

Three Point % 0.0 30.8

FT Made-Attempted. 9-15 7-11

Free Throw %. 60.0 63.6

Total Rebounds 25 20

Offensive Rebounds 8 7

Defensive Rebounds. 17 13

Team Rebounds. 0 0

Assists 2 6

Steals. 1 3

Blocks. 2 4

Turnovers 7 3

Team Turnovers 0 0

Total Turnovers 7 3

Personal Fouls 9 11

Both teams shooting like complete ass.

@BeddieKU23 I agree, but they beat us.

@HawkChamp said:

@BShark they got hot and we were bad

Also Tyler had to play because TICKETS TO THE REF SHOW.

down go the loosiers

That game is why teams don't go to mid majors too often. IPFW is winning their signature game of the year and Indy gets a bad loss.

their fan base will be fun to monitor on suicide watch tonight lol

@BShark said:

@Bwag said:

Matchup GA. KU

FG Made-Attempted 8-28 12-34

Field Goal % 28.6 35.3

3PT Made-Att 0-8 4-13

Three Point % 0.0 30.8

FT Made-Attempted. 9-15 7-11

Free Throw %. 60.0 63.6

Both teams shooting like complete ass.

Yeah, certainly not a shooting exhibition

GOOD GRIEF CARLTON

@BShark and Landon!!! Their heads are not in the right place!!

Stupid foul by Landen.

siiiiigh

We need a Josh throwdown to wake everyone up here.

Way to fight at the rim Vick.

Do we need to play zone when Dok is in there?

4 bigs = 0 points, 3 RBs and 10 fouls!!!!!

Josh hitting fts hail mary full of grace

Whatchu doin Graham?

@DCHawker Gave you a thumbs up because there was no alternative for that pitiful stat line!

I just love watching Mason create for himself, its honestly our best offense

@wissox Might be unprecedented - worst slash line - in the history of "Big Man U"?//

the bigs are just decoy's tonight. they can't stop our guards.

@BeddieKU23 Just tonight, right...:smile:

REFFFFFFS

Josh shouldnt have charged right into that guy. Spin move would have worked

Frank is so fast

Why did the ref stand there and watch JJ make the basket and then call the offensive foul?

@brooksmd Was wondering the same thing. Thought maybe he was watching the other ref make the call?

Who thinks that Carlton Bragg isn't playing with an unreported/underreported injury to one or both of his legs?

@brooksmd said:

Why did the ref stand there and watch JJ make the basket and then call the offensive foul?

Yeah it was really damn odd

@jaybate-1.0 said:

Who thinks that Carlton Bragg isn't playing with an unreported/underreported injury to one or both of his legs?

Also his brain.

@jaybate-1.0 nope. Not buying that at all.

So many Josh things on that last possession.

@brooksmd He was checking to see how the game was coming with the betting line.

Quickness by Jackson.

I'm liking Dwight. Not turning the ball over and rebounding. Maybe he's our guy

Fort Wayne beats Indiana in OT.

Looks like Coleby should get more PT.

Alright, glad for Coleby this game. Meaningful minutes, making his impact on a lot of possessions.

@HawkChamp said:

@jaybate-1.0 nope. Not buying that at all.

Mental at this point

@jaybate-1.0 I see you lurking.

JJ seems to be the perry Ellis we always wanted. Post that dude up.

@jaybate-1.0 Clearly, all four bigs are suffering unreported hamstring pulls, leg contusions, and concussions.....

@approxinfinity said:

Alright, glad for Coleby this game. Meaningful minutes, making his impact on a lot of possessions.

I said this was a Lucas game due to the UGA posts being not super athletic but maybe it was a COLEBY GAME.

Bragg and Lucas are obviously injured.

And so is Graham. And I mean BEFORE he got poked in the eye.

At this point I'm calling second half of last season "fools gold" in regards to Lucas level of play.

Anyone mention to Fran that a couple of our guards are 6' 8"? Not exactly playing small with jj and Svi in there

@DanR size doesn't matter, right?

@jaybate-1.0 Obviously??

Coleby!! Playing well!!

Every time I think we're going to make a run something halts the action, like the Devonte face rake. This is a grinding game, but given the late tip time, the second game of a back to back, playing mostly zone, it's designed to be a grinding game.

Obviously Carlton has been bad, Lucas has been worse, and Doke has been I don't know what. But the perimeter has been decent on O, and Coleby has been a mini revelation. This game might be meaningful yet.

Coleby!

GREAT EFFORT!

Texas has 4 assists in loss to Colorado. Nothing says lack of team play and poor coaching like 4 assists in one game.

Also, Bill Self is a wizard.

I vote Coleby to start at the 5.

Is Kansas now a zone team with our current front court ?

@JayHawkFanToo said:

Texas has 4 assists in loss to Colorado. Nothing says lack of team play and poor coaching like 4 assists in one game.

Shaka "roll the ball out on the court" Smart....

@Bwag said:

Is Kansas now a zone team with our current front court ?

Only against teams that can't shoot like UGA.

Our best big man is Coleby. That guy could play... if he had 2 legs.

@brooksmd Coleby = 4 RBs, 4 blocks, 2 pts - The other three no-shows = 3 RBs, 1 blocks, 0 points....

self pass ref.

Frankly, all ya gotta do is look at the leg lingerie and you can see who is hurting.

JJ with the dub dub

We should NEVER have to play zone. Just a really poor showing tonight.

Vick would be kicking ass and taking names later if his legs were in good shape.

Sports Center top ten?

Vick out there foolin around

VICK --- WOW!!!

Holly shit...you go Vick...

@HawkChamp said:

We should NEVER have to play zone. Just a really poor showing tonight.

Had no answer for Maten otherwise and UGA doesn't have the outside shooting to make us pay. It sucks but was smart.

Gawd, I though a couple of years ago was bad with injuries.

They've got to talk to Hudy about this.

Something is going on with whatever kind of lifting and exercises and supplements they are getting to make them look like this already.

You guys may disagree but I'd start Coleby Friday, he plays hard and doesn't stand and watch.

The Ft Wayne Mastodons beat the Candy stripers. This was the biggest moment for the Mastodons since the extinction event.

@jaybate-1.0 said:

Gawd, I though a couple of years ago was bad with injuries.

They've got to talk to Hudy about this.

Something is going on with whatever kind of lifting and exercises and supplements they are getting to make them look like this already.

It could be worse we could be Doooook.

@jaybate-1.0 assuming a lot right there, sir. If someone is injured, you never play them - with the long season, it will only make it worse.

@kjayhawks said:

You guys may disagree but I'd start Coleby Friday, he plays hard and doesn't stand and watch.

SEND A MESSAGE.

@kjayhawks spot on

@kjayhawks I already voted yes.

Maybe go back to lots of Big Macs. Sherron fought the pounds, but his legs didn't look like this until year three or so, did they?

The SEC really sucks so bad in basketball they ought to be considered Division 2 or something. They ought to be NAIA. They should be dissolved and the arenas imploded simultaneously all across the seccesionist states. Maybe we'll let Kentucky stick around because they don't suck.

Man Svi can't buy one tonight

After the game, Self will probably flatly deny that KU played zone.

He will call it a switching man to man, or something, so no one thinks anyone is injured. :smiley:

@kjayhawks Agreed. Tarik -> Embiid = Coleby -> Doke

Landon can't even play a minute without fouling

@HawkChamp said:

Man Svi can't buy one tonight

He is like Releford he needs to be open with his feet set.

That should not have been a foul on Lucas; 2nd time he got hosed...

@wissox said:

Maybe we'll let Kentucky stick around because they don't suck.

Then why do we call them Kensucky?

We need a bucket

are you kidding me!!!

Wow, good thing March is a long ways off.

:+1: Frank, Devonte, Josh, Vick. Coleby.

:-1: Landen, Bragg, Svi.

:grey_question: Doke.

@jaybate-1.0 said:

Frankly, all ya gotta do is look at the leg lingerie and you can see who is hurting.

Or it just feels good?

@brooksmd Well ever since I wrote that the sucky SEC team has gone on a nice little run so maybe some strange curse has been cast upon our team. But I'm not changing what I wrote.

Josh forgot and played high school defense. He channeled the guy baseline instead of to paint.

We need something good to happen here on offense.

are we really going to sweat these 4 minutes out or what. man

someone needs to make a basket and make this momentum go away

@BeddieKU23 self is going to have to take some sedatives to sleep tonight.

@approxinfinity

he's not the only one!

Frank made a freshman pass across the blocks. Whew!

Did Frank start the game with that linen on his right leg?

@jaybate-1.0
yes

@brooksmd

Auburn, Florida, South Carolina, Arkansas are also decent teams in addition to Kentucky.

Keep hoping that old man will bellyflop but he never does.

JJ and Vick = 18 RBS; 4 "bigs" = 7 RBs

@brooksmd said:

I vote Coleby to start at the 5.

Ditto. Even if he can only go 35 seconds on the knee. He's the best we've got right now.

Inside production cannot be this bad. They don't have to score, but they do have to rebound and defend without fouling. This performance has been an outright dumpster fire.

Yante Matten isn't going to have to use that Wildlife Mgmt degree. Pro.

It is really impressive that we are winning this game.

But that 9-0 run by the Dawgs kind of hurt our pride.

Does the situation the team is going through remind anyone of last January when we lost to OSU?

Five years and LL hasn't figured that out yrt?

Landen got a board.

@brooksmd hard to believe

Landen looks like he not only has a sore foot, but that he enduring an extended stay in Self's toughening box. Figured Self would have let him out by now.

Svi!!!

@approxinfinity Matten fouls us practically every time he touches the ball- he pushes off everytime.

dagger!!!

I swear: Coleby's knee still reminds me of pin head in Hellraiser.

freshman lucas is here to stay. please play Lightfoot over him. honestly its just not worth using him anymore

Svi finally does something to get rid of the :-1:

@BeddieKU23

Lucas has to be hurt. He just looks lost out there right now.

@jaybate-1.0

all it takes is one big shot

@BeddieKU23 Jaybate might be right about the toughening box. How often do players regress this much?

Is Lightfoot hurt or in the dog house??

Frank really attracts a crowd. He must have had 3 guys on him when he passed back out front to Svi.

@justanotherfan

they don't account for the dumb fouls though. and his demeanor out there is poor

@justanotherfan that's not causing the offensive fouls

Bragg on the board now?

I know this is not an original thought, but this team could be scary good if it ever got healthy.

@jaybate-1.0

Or a whimper of production up front...

Coleby = last years Lucas

@jaybate-1.0 Mario made a comment that the 2007-8 team was more talented. I can agree in the front court but in the back court I'm not so sure. Sorry Mario!

@jaybate-1.0 said:

I know this is not an original thought, but this team could be scary good if it ever got healthy.

Or got an inside game

Or learned to play as a team.

i guess they don't call fouls late in the game huh?

Bragg can barely slide. Its fascinating. He runs the floor okay. Gotta be tendonitis.

good win. hard fought, tired late. 2 days off until they do it again

@jaybate-1.0 I can't tell if you're joking or not, this whole time.

The Josh Jackson coming out party is in full swing. We suck inside, but we'll get better...perhaps way better in short order. The sky isn't falling...

@Bwag

I really think you may not be attributing enough to the injuries.

Its pretty tough to run the stuff, when your bigs can't slide, or even rotate high to low, or block to block.

I mean this is like our perimeter guys are playing with invalids.

Great Defense outside of every big that was schooled bye a an average player for 30 points

@HawkChamp said:

Svi!!!

The shooting goat when wide open.

@kjayhawks said:

Is Lightfoot hurt or in the dog house??

Lightfoot is Lightfoot.

Jackson 11 RB

Vick. 8 RB

Mason only 5.

Bigs...not even part of discussion.

Well Happy Thanksgiving everyone. See ya Friday.

@Bwag said:

Jackson 11 RB

Vick. 8 RB

Mason only 5.

Bigs...not even part of discussion.

Josh is def our best player.

@approxinfinity

no, I'm serious. I really believe we are looking at a ton of injuries and that Self is doing one of his bailing wire coaching jobs, where he just scopes the team way down to do just a few things that his uninjured players can still do, and then hopes and waits for the injuries to get better.

@brooksmd said:

Well Happy Thanksgiving everyone. See ya Friday.

Same to you. Enjoy the time with your families fellas and gals.

@Bwag they just aren't hungry for the ball at all. You'd think the entire national media talking about their soft play would get them motivated

@BShark

Back at ya.

@kjayhawks

Maten averages over 20 a game, hardly average

@BeddieKU23 said:

@kjayhawks

Maten averages over 20 a game, hardly average

Great college post player ala Niang, Perry etc...

I'm no longer worried about the team, if the injuries are the kind that can heal over the next month. If not, then we're in a heap uh trouble come conference season.

3pt shooting as a team.

Still dismal.

@BShark Agreed just the first game he hasn't played

@jaybate-1.0

only have 10 players so any injury will hurt in some way

Anybody seeing the Hoosiers getting upset by Fort Wayne?

I think Tom sent them out a little flat, what about you?

I am a Jon Coffman fan instantly.

@BeddieKU23 ya against GW and Furman. I guarantee you he aint averaging more that 16 come mid season.

Jj named mvp🏆

@Crimsonorblue22

Prolly deserved it excluding that base line defense.

But my heart belongs to Frank.

@Crimsonorblue22 Yes this tournament was a big coming out party for JJ.

@kjayhawks

he averaged 16.5 last year as a Soph. pre-season 1st team SEC, he's a good player

@Bwag said:

3pt shooting as a team.

Still dismal.

Yep. Svi was icy until right at the end. Svi contested threes are the worst threes other than Vick threes.

Lots of really odd stats tonight. Front court took 5 shots, Vick took 11.

Time for the team to rest up. Let's hope for some improvement in this easy stretch. And then let's get Wooten in here at semester.

@kjayhawks

With Vick and Devonte in lingerie, and Frank sporting the de rigeur hyper extended elbow bandage, it was time for Josh to put some dinner on the table for his mates.

Winning ugly is still a win. What would we do w/o Frank?

Had my LAST radiation treatment today and looking forward to the 4-day holiday/weekend. Give thanks for all that you have as life can throw you some bad stuff from time to time.

Happy Rock Chalk Thanksgiving!

P.S. UT lost again to Tad Boyle's team. Whah Whah Whah.

Frank and DG made all tourney, LL got🎖Participation

@RockChalkinTexas said:

Winning ugly is still a win.

Damned straight, gal.

@kjayhawks

He averaged 16.5 last season and he is a better player now; he will surely average around 20 this season.

@RockChalkinTexas you are the real MVP!🏆💃

@Crimsonorblue22

Copy and paste.

@BeddieKU23 Probably a little better than average yes, Worth 30 points absolutely not. UKs bigs will murder us if he can get 30.

@RockChalkinTexas

You had me a little worried that we were gonna have to do this season for you instead of with you.

@RockChalkinTexas said:

Winning ugly is still a win. What would we do w/o Frank?

Had my LAST radiation treatment today and looking forward to the 4-day holiday/weekend. Give thanks for all that you have as life can throw you some bad stuff from time to time.

Happy Rock Chalk Thanksgiving!

P.S. UT lost again to Tad Boyle's team. Whah Whah Whah.

Stay strong.

@jaybate-1.0 said:

@kjayhawks

With Vick and Devonte in lingerie, and Frank sporting the de rigeur hyper extended elbow bandage, it was time for Josh to put some dinner on the table for his mates.

Yep ran a lot through Josh tonight. Hope to see even more of that. Good passer.

@kjayhawks they are not skilled offensively. Rebounding and defense is where they excel - exactly what we need from our bigs

@HawkChamp Exactly my friend how many easy put backs off of weaking rebounding did their bigs have ? Maten had 8 bye himself that lead to a lot of his points.

It's so far past my bed time. :older_man:

@BeddieKU23

Self is probably about ready to start screaming the old Gregory Peck line from "The Snows of Kilamanjaro," or whatever the old Hemingway book to movie was.

Stretcher bearers...STRETCHER BEARERS!!!!

@jaybate-1.0 said:

@BeddieKU23

Self is probably about ready to start screaming the old Gregory Peck line from "The Snows of Kilamanjaro," or whatever the old Hemingway book to movie was.

Stretcher bearers...STRETCHER BEARERS!!!!

This made me laugh. Heh.

@kjayhawks

well Georgia had nothing else and he had one of those typical career nights we see 6-10 times a year

@jaybate-1.0 No freakin' way jay. I took great delight in ribbing the radiation techs and staff and people in the waiting room about our Jayhawks beating UT Saturday. Once a Jayhawk, Always a Jayhawk!

@jaybate-1.0

Self was a genius for sticking with that zone defense. We might not have survived a M2M game

@BeddieKU23 Yes I give the kid credit he played great, if he plays average they get embarrassed. I just think we made him look like Shawn Kemp lol

@RockChalkinTexas

Tell the techs to keep the radiation off your sense of humor!!!

@kjayhawks

absolutely agree, we survived his Shawn Kemp night. They didn't have an answer for Mason or Jackson who both left points on the floor

@BeddieKU23 I was hoping we would have stuck with man to man. Got to be tougher and Georgia is not a top ten team

@BeddieKU23

Sometimes genius is knowing when not to be too much of a genius.

That zone was one of those times.

@BeddieKU23 Oh yeah our guards are pretty much at mid season form besides JJs FTs and some better 3 point shooting.

@HawkChamp

at least we know this team can play zone. having smalls in probably helps it be effective when your playing a team without 3 point threats.

I don't think we would have survived the foul war had we stuck in M2M

Night All.

You are all in my prayers for a safe and Happy Thanksgiving.

Got out rebounded bye 4 :rage:

@RockChalkinTexas gobble gobble

@jaybate-1.0 I always have thought we should run more zone, people forget the triangle and 2 that got us to the title game in 2012

@Crimsonorblue22 I still need to gain back 10+ pounds. Was my birthday Sunday so made myself a choc. cake AND choc. cupcakes. I am going to eat lots of turkey and mashed taters. Hope you have a great day.

Damn it was good to see President Obama hang medals on MJ and Kareem and Scully. I have to spend a lot of time defending Wilt from MJ and Kareem, but I want to take this moment and say I really have always loved and hugely admired both of those guys. And Kareem especially was an inspiration to me during his years at UCLA. Rock Chalk!

@RockChalkinTexas happy late bday! Keep the party going.

@kjayhawks

I have spent a lot of years working at understanding the game through Self's philosophic lens in order to try to learn his rationales for doing things.

I came from a time and a back ground that thought match-up zones and switching between m2m and various zones made a lot of strategic sense.

So: I fully identify with you notions that Self should play more zones more of the time.

But having said that, I want to tell you what I believe I have discovered about why Self and many other great coaches believe man2man is the smart way to play defense, if at all possible to play it well.

There are really two reasons.

The first reason is that when you play a zone defense, the offense always knows exactly where your players are going to be on the court. It is a tremendous edge to know exactly where each defender will be. It means you can attack away from their worst match up pretty much every time. It means you always know where there best defender will be and play away from him. Another thing is that you know you can always flood one cell of a zone, or compress it and expand it, or slice the seams of it, and I think Self hates giving an offense those edges.

The second thing is that it for a zone to be effectively played, everyone in the zone has to chop their feet all the time and they have to slide around the floor with the ball movement a much greater distance than do several of the players in a m2m defense. One of the unsung beauties of m2m defense is that only the guy on the ball, and one pass away really have to get down and play exhausting defense. The other two guys can actually rest some whenever they are two passes away. Over the course of a game, a m2m defense actually expends less of its energy budget than a zone team, at least a zone team playing truly good zone defense. This was an insight that was shared with me years ago with an old alias that reputedly died some years ago now. His alias was 100 and he was a tremendously knowledgeable basketball man who had actually grown up around the game back in the days of Phog Allen and had observed Allen closely for many, many years. He not only knew more about KU basketball since the 1930s than anyone else I ever met, including my own father, who knew a ton, he just flat out understood many aspects of the game like zone versus man to man. I will never forget one season when KU played MU under Mike Anderson and MU just ran KU ragged with Andersons full court pressing. The old alias named "100" pointed out exactly what Self had done wrong and how he should attack the Missouri press the next meeting and Self did exactly what he said he should do. It was one of the most impressive pieces of fan analysis and beating a professional coach to not only what went wrong, but what would work, that I can recall. And he did it again and again. The guy just knew his shizzle from baseline to baseline and sideline to sideline. He said that playing zone required certain kinds of athletes and they had to train in certain kinds of ways to really play zone at a high level. He always said Jim Boeheim coached the best zone defenses because he recruited players ideally suited to playing that way and he trained them relentlessly. He said Boeheim's guys could play zone defense at a high level and be in such fabulous condition that they could switch over to m2m and not get tired. He said great zone defense actually took more energy than m2m. And he said that extra demand on the energy budget of players was one of the reasons Self preferred m2m. Self wanted to play the best defense he could, but also have the most gas left in the tank for the other end to score on offense. Thus Self came to the unwavering conclusion that if you recruit good m2m defenders and they could match up well on defense, then play m2m to the bitter end and then go down on offense and make big plays late in the game, when the other team was gassed from playing zone.

I know what I am saying runs contrary to a lot of conventional wisdom about man2man and zone. In my high school ball, it was always less taxing to play zone than man2man. But 100 said no high school coaches coach the play of zone at the level of intensity required in D1.

Anyway, because of all of the above, I am very fascinated to see Self finally coming out and zoning some. He's clearly had some change in philosophy, but it will be interesting to see if it is just a case of showing some zone, or if he has really committed to playing zone at a high level and often.

@RockChalkinTexas Congrats on the b-day. :birthday: You're what 37 now? :wink: Here's to many more. :beers: T-day followed by Christmas goodies for a month will take care of that 10 lbs and more if you're not careful. Down here we have about a week or 2 after Christmas/NY's and then the Mardi Gras King Cakes come out. My personal fav is the cream cheese & cherry filled ones. Happy Thanksgiving.

Holy crap! I just saw the box score. Glad we won but...Where have all our Bigs gone!?! This doesnt bode well for the future.

@jaybate-1.0 What makes you talk about 100 in the past tense? Have you actually heard some news? I have missed him for years.

@RockChalkinTexas You are in mine. (prayers) Kelly says hi.

@jaybate-1.0 I agree, not saying we should run a zone all the time like Baylor, just run it a little more often with our length could be a good thing.

@ParisHawk

I always believed 100 was probably in his late 80s, or even older, based on how far back he had first had knowledge of the game, especially Coach Allen. Frankly, based on what he knew, there was even a slim chance that he was a 100 years old, when he picked the alias.

For awhile after he stopped posting, I made no inferences about what had become of him. But the more time that passed, given even the minimum age range I suspected him to be, the more I have come to believe he either died, or slipped into infirmity severe enough that he could not communicate. I just believed he would find away to communicate around a little arthritis, or whatever.

I vaguely recall S omeone once posted something about thinking they had figured out who they believed he was and that he had died.

I was not particularly persuaded by that. I just figure the odds favor death, or infirmity, at the age I guessed him to be.

@jaybate-1.0 OK thanks. I still miss him.

I never fell asleep during a KU game until last night. I woke up, wondered why they were talking about football during the KU game, looked at my laptop, you were all speaking about the game. Did we win? Smiley face.

@ParisHawk

Yes, me too.