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Rumors that they are involved in a vandalism probe according to the Star. Anyone know about this?

When will the investigations and allegations stop? Sounds like someone has it out for these guys.

That someone is the same girl who is accusing Vick of hitting her and kicking her, which I believe is the same girl who accused Bragg of also hitting her

The vandalism was to the car of that same girl

Just to get the rumor mill churning on this, I'd say it is payback from this girl after the Bragg incident. It would match up with the other rumors saying this is the same girl in both the Bragg and Vick case and that she embellished both times.

if this is the same girl, then she's a saboteur.

She probably just saw the hair from behind and assumed it was either Vick or Josh lol

Can't even blame the Star. It's their job to investigate a potential coverup by the University. Makes me want to take down all my KU gear at work. It's so damn embarrassing shit seems to be coming out left and right.

This looks like crap for recruiting too. Especially with JJ being potentially involved. Imagine the negative recruiting we are going to get from this.

"Bill can't keep players under control. You send your stud athlete there for one season and he could end up a felon and drop his draft stock and cost him millions."

Fan-F**-tastic. Vick and Bragg are on such thin ice. The whole team better be walking around on eggshells for the rest of the season. Or better yet, lock themselves in McCarthy and don't do anything besides practice and play XBox.

@Kcmatt7 yeah but this is beyond out of control. The university or someone needs to step in and say enough is enough.

@HawkChamp I don't think they legally can.

I work for a University and there are so many regulations it's absurd. Title IX is no joke man. We get a required lecture on it every year here. And you can break the rules without even thinking twice.

But we may best support our players by not engaging in the discussion and dissemination of such rumors. Let's let law enforcement and the courts sort out fact from fiction. We only add to the harm by discussing rumors here.

Man....get all the players away from this skank...

@BShark You'd think it's time to get a restraining order on her. Not welcome anywhere near the team.

Sorry I don't believe this bullshit for a MINUTE- -come on man, the star has a hard on for KU now - -here you go- - here is something to run with a really hot rumor - -I'm going to be the pope tomorrow. - -this gets blown so out of control. - -Just like this Vick situation this is some that may or may not happened TWO YEARS AGO - - TWO FRICKEN YEARS - - if it happened - -how do we know he hasn't already been or is on some kind of stipulations? - these things just run sooo rampad. - - If he would of been charged would he still even be on the team - I mean that is some serious crap. - -these things just get BLOWN UP of he said - - she said - -they said, No wonder Self is getting ticked off HOLY BATSHIT enough is enough - - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@stoptheflop Nothing wrong with a little speculation as long you keep in mind it is just that. We definitely don't know for sure this is the same girl in all 3 cases and don't know who committed the vandalism either. Interesting that this happened over two months ago and no charges have been filed even though there are witnesses.

I agree with others - we have every right to be suspicious of the Star's motivations for reporting this stuff.

I think some of you, who are obviously very Judfemental, even though you don't know many of the actual facts, need to get a Life. It isn't like you are Saints! And if you want to take you KU stuff down, please do so, because we don't want 'fair weather fans', anyway! Quitters! Probably in your everyday Life, too! You live your Lives through these kids (and they are, still kids), because most of you couldn't play a lick! Seriously!

Jeff Rosen said it is the same girl who accused Vick of hitting anf kicking her but not the same girl that accused Bragg recently

@HawkChamp i call bullshit on that one

@TRUBLUE I'll be whatever kind of a fan I want to be. And as judgmental as I want to be. And as embarrassed as I feel like I should be.

How about our players quit putting themselves in poor positions. I may not be perfect, but if I did have their athletic ability I would have been like Perry and sat in my dorm playing Xbox and basketball until I got paid Millions of dollars to play a game.

I didn't put myself in situations like that just so I could get a job making $50k. So I could only imagine what I would have been doing with the chance at millions.

Not to mention, they reflect on hundreds of thousands of Jayhawks that came before them. Just because you don't take the cautious side about women getting beaten or our guys committing FELONIES, doesn't mean everyone else has to be. These players represent us. All of us. There is a lot of responsibility when you put on that jersey.

And the facts are really irrelevant. The perception is all that matters. And right now if you asked a basketball fan about KU they would call us a bunch of pot smoking women beaters. And that Bill Self recruits players that are thugs. Not the greatest look. I like when the value of my degree goes up because KU looks like an upstanding university. Not when we get trashed in the media and our university gets disgraced.

Rape, vandalism, battery, drugs. 4 things I’d rather not be thinking about with this team. What next? Terrorism, grand larceny, malfeasance of funds, arson…? This is making me sick to keep reading about this crap. Bill Self must be going nuts with all of this. This is legacy tarnishing. This is career defining kind of stuff.

Character counts.

This is Cincinnatti/Georgetown/Syracuse/Kentucky/UNLV/Baylor type of crap that I never dreamed would be associated with our squeaky clean program. It makes me think I’ll have to hide my KU gear that I’ve worn proudly for the last 30 years.

It makes me doubt Bill Self which is the hardest pill to swallow right now. I haven’t given this much thought, but to heck with winning if it means winning with fools like these guys. Boot them off the team. Send them packing. Win the whole darn thing with 4 guys.

Lol TMZ at its finest yet again

Why is everyone playing into it, your doing them a favor. Please stop

@wissox Do you think just maybe it might be wise to wait until the facts are in, or at least more than a couple of newspaper articles and thousands of words of speculation and assumption?

@mayjay said:

@wissox Do you think just maybe it might be wise to wait until the facts are in, or at least more than a couple of newspaper articles and thousands of words of speculation and assumption?

Thats not how things work on the internets.

@BeddieKU23 Exactly - - - -PLEASE this is just past crazy - -let due process play it'self. out - -if it needs to stop - -dam. - -nothing like throwing gasoline on an open flame - -like BeddieKU23 says -- -Please just stop - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Why does KC Star hate KU?

Next up, several members of KU Jayhawks being questioned for allegedly jaywalking after 2am in 2014.

Hey KC Star, here's a news tip: Allen Fieldhouse is a safe house for immigrants.

Seriously, if these reports are false, the source and the Star are on the edge of libel/slander, because this kind of repeated accusation appears to be with intent to defame and the Star is propagating the misinformation... Unless such protections are now dead in an era of Fake News.

@Kcmatt7 Facts are never irrelevant. The fact that this occurred on Dec 9 and no one has been arrested in almost two months suggests that there are a lot of unknowns here.

Perhaps these things are being leaked by someone with a vendetta who filed spurious charges and is frustrated that their intended targets are not being railroaded.

Perhaps they did do it and are the only clearly identified felons allowed to walk around for 55 days without facing any charges.

Perhaps they are being targeted by someone so that people who are afraid of bad publicity will start freaking out and demand that heads must roll. No facts? Get the axe!

But go ahead, burn your gear if you like. For me, I will wait for more. And if people look askance at my KU sweatshirt, I will wear it happily, and I will respond to any comments or questions just as I would have previously. "Yes, I believe in Bill Self's integrity." "Yes, I am proud." "Yes, I believe in the right of anyone not to be pilloried by rumors, social media, or their own blasted fanbase."

@BeddieKU23 Since when does someone of character let the internet determine where he or she stands when it comes to the matter of treating other people fairly?

Now everyone, we are all frustrated about what has transpired. I started this thread for informational purposes and do not want everyone getting mad at each other. I am sure that Bill knows much more about this and I am confident in his ability to handle it properly. I personally doubt charges will ever be filed against Vick and JJ, so let's all take a step back and wait for more info.

Welcome to Kansas. Where we call reputable news sources liars and value basketball over integrity.

@HawkChamp 🙏 I keep thinking about their parents.

@bskeet Technically, if the two players were identified in the police report as persons of interest as detailed in the article, there could be no libel provided the Star was not negligent in believing that the police report was genuine. Papers are allowed to report even things from confidential police files (although woebetide someone who gets held in contempt for divulging it).

If the Star said they were named in a report but omitted a finding from the report that they definitely did not do it, the Star could be guilty of what is known as a "false light" tort, which means setting out facts that portray someone negatively while knowing the conclusion to be drawn therefrom is false.

The Star seems to be on safe ground here, but I don't know about their sources. I expect the Douglas County DA's office will be doing a pretty intense investigation, as will KU.

@Kcmatt7 Doesn't the integrity of an investigation matter, too?

For everyone's consideration, please note what Wikipedia says about the term person of interest. Read the very last sentence I bolded if nothing else.

"Person of interest" is a term used by U.S. law enforcement when identifying someone involved in a criminal investigation who has not been arrested or formally accused of a crime. It has no legal meaning, but refers to someone in whom the police are "interested," either because the person is cooperating with the investigation, may have information that would assist the investigation, or possesses certain characteristics that merit further attention.

While terms such as suspect, target, and material witness have clear and sometimes formal definitions, person of interest remains undefined by the U.S. Department of Justice...... Person of interest is sometimes used as a euphemism for suspect, and its careless use may encourage trials by media.

@mayjay Not really.

You realize the majority of crimes that get reported don't end up with charges being filed right? Hefty majority. Doesn't make the person accused not guilty of the crime. Just means they don't have evidence to charge them.

Most bank robbers aren't caught. Most hit and runs aren't caught. Most DV accusations get dropped. So just because our guys aren't getting charged doesn't mean they are completely innocent in all of this.

I'm sorry that it pisses me off to see news that our players were being idiots (guilty or not they are putting themselves in situations to get in trouble and be on police reports, most of which are public record). It devalues something I care about and something I am proud to be. That diploma I busted my ass for. That I went into crazy debt for. That I worked 35+ hours a week on top of class for. The fact that I was the first generation in my family to graduate college. And that I am so proud to call myself a first generation Jayhawk after being a fan my entire life. That apparently other people don't have the same respect for that I do.

Let's not forget the Star has been going down the tubes faster than crap through a goose. They have to justify their existance to sell much smaller papers. They are piling on to any thread that will create hype. Smacks of desperation while "home town" MU is beyond putrid and mired in a long losing streak.

From Matt Scott

If you're blasting #kubball players - trust me when I tell you nothing is as it reads and there is a HUGE other side to the story

Look at the pictures they are choosing. Look at how they are reporting (using that term loosely). Look at how they keep tieing togrther accusations. Muckraking 101. Trying to drive up clicks and sales to justify their dwindling ad revenue.

This is a good candidate for locking

.@LawrenceKS_PD says it's not named suspect or any "persons of interest" involving 12/9 vandalism re: rpt. Vick & Jackson are POI's #kubball

From John Holt (fox 4 news)

@Kcmatt7 I am sure that I have the same level of respect for our shared education as you do. But I think my respect includes a sense that a few reported accusations covering almost 17 months are not going to destroy our alma mater, whereas hasty actions, rumors, and jumping to conclusions can destroy these young men's lives. And I suspect someone (not the Star, with which I personally have no beef) has that in mind.

I also have respect for our system of criminal law in which I practiced, and for the fairness values underlying my condemnation of the social lynching of anyone.

@Crimsonorblue22 said:

@HawkChamp 🙏 I keep thinking about their parents.

Keep thinking about the parents and the young lady who allegedly got hit too.

@Eric-san I don't live anywhere near KC. Fill me on the Star. I really am not aware of the Star and their biases/leanings.

@mayjay Yes, facts are great. What are the facts? 2 of our players are persons of interest in a felony. Vick hit a girl in the arm and kicked her in the face. It doesn't matter to me that he wasn't charged officially. If those are facts those are serious actions and as a father, as many of you are, I can't imagine some guy doing that to one of my daughters or sons.

@BeddieKU23 Come on man. I can't criticize the team for a report, not from TMZ but from a reputable newspaper alleges these things?

Boy we'd be having a heyday if Duke or Kentucky had been associated with all of these things!

I'll just say this about the KC Star .. on the day of the Chiefs playoff game with Pittsburgh, they run a re-hash story on Tyreek Hill with the premise of whether some have gotten past his incident with his girlfriend. They pick the most important day in many years for Chiefs fans, a home playoff game, and run a sensationalistic repeat of old news -- but of course searching out interviews to further malign the guy.

The timing was ridiculous. I guess they follow ESPN's lead.

The Kansas City Star is a rag.

Id rather be arguing about playing time between, LL, HUnter Mickelson or C Diallo

@mayjay If these are legit police investigations, then yes. However, not all police reports are equal. So if this is flimsy and the Star is not filtering (which is their job) then it's sloppy at best and negligent or self-serving at worst.

@Bwag Those were the good old days ….

@Bwag Jam Tray!

@mayjay said:

@Bwag Jam Tray!

Him too!

Now we're so thin on the bench we can't talk PT and rotation. Our lineup is so imbalanced even Bill Self changed strategy to 4 out 1 in.

Without these off court issues, season has been downright boring.

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@bskeet Those possibilities were covered by my post.

I actually wonder if the greater negligence here is the PD for not getting a car vandalism case closed in 2 months. It makes me wonder how it is that new witnesses have been found, if that is true.

@Fightsongwriter I agree part of the stars motive is to generate clicks but it's been obvious for a long time the misery based paper has a grudge with KU. FYI star we didn't make mu leave the Big 12 and become a national joke. It's pretty clear why tearing down KU would make them feel better about their plight.

It's sad because KU deserves quality coverage. After the Kentucky game I looked at the Lexington paper and there were about 8 different stories on the game, and even though they lost, the paper was nothing but respectful to their team.

As far as the legal issues all we know for sure is CB got busted for paraphernalia. Hopefully these kids, some from very difficult backgrounds, will use this as a wake up call and focus on making good decisions in the future. One thing we know for sure though is our head coach exhibits the highest standards and will get this sorted out and respond accordingly. I know I will continue to wear my KU gear with pride.

NY Times just published an article. Not scarring KU at all...

@Kcmatt7 Here it is. Pretty balanced, but he doesn't close with the sense of doom the headline suggests. He notes the issues, says it hurts fans, as it does, but doesn't suggest all is lost, or the guys are thugs, or some other stuff.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/02/sports/ncaabasketball/kansas-jayhawks-baylor-bears.html ↗

Note: if you have been reading NYT articles, you might have to clear your cookies from your browser cache to access this.

First..... news organizations get away with verbal murder. They always have, and hopefully, always will. I said "hopefully" because of the only realist alternative, that free press is silenced.

The Star is a McClatchy paper and under monster financial pressure. They are pimping out the quality of journalism just trying to stay alive.

This is the state of journalism today. Their expression of thoughts are protected by the Constitution, but their financial survival is not. A big part of what they are selling is the headlines themselves. Controversial headlines are actually more valuable today than the content in the story behind them. Controversial headlines gain more attention, harvest paid clicks, and even sells real paper newspapers. This is journalism today. I've been told that some stories exist only because magnetic headlines were developed FIRST, and the stories were done just to finish the sold goods (headlines).

Having said that... I still think there are a few old antlers on staff. They have an opportunity to "create news" and are jumping on Kansas hoping to sell more papers. You have to remember that a huge chunk of their potential customers are MU fans.

The Star has a long history of bashing Kansas. None of this is new... and probably little of this is actually news.

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@drgnslayr Since I haven't read the Star on paper for years and only the Royals coverage online, I was unaware of an anti-KU animus. Didn't that largely begin with Whitlock?

Currently, our team is a rolling snowball going downhill. It continues to pick up more snow and grow.

This probably started with the first CB situation. After that, media looks to pin more on Kansas. Story targets pick up momentum. Once one story picks up traction, it is much easier to pick up traction on the subsequent stories.

If you don't understand what I mean.... just think back to the Hillary Clinton email story phenomenon. Perfect example.

@wrwlumpy I posted that time line

@bskeet Her brother was also killed in Texas within the past couple years trying to attack & kill people in an act of domestic terrorism. Several members of this particular family, for whatever reasons, have definitely acted in anti social & sociopathic behaviors on more than a few occasions. Even the parents public statements leave much to question in their outlook of their existence in the USA. At least one family member has been terminated by an employer since that boy was shot. This is clearly a smear campaign by representatives of someone with an axe to grind, & even possibly with financial motivations. Clearly the type of people that, if you know much of their background at all, you wouldn't touch with the proverbial ten foot pole. Of course this is just one old mans opinion & certainly no malice intended

@Kcmatt7 maybe they're playstation guys haha

@Crimsonorblue22 Another timeline raised by someone on the LDJW site, checked by me in the LDJW stories and on Google Maps:

Dec 9 (Friday) 1 a.m. Bragg's altercation at 1000 block of Emery Rd, leading to charges later dropped against him.

Dec 9 (Friday) 2 a.m. Alleged car vandalism at 530 Wisconsin, some 4 to 5 blocks away.

This particular timeline is consistent with way too many possibilities. I am going to bed.

@mayjay I don't believe the Star is behind this either but the messenger printing the copy they're given - i.e.: the "scoop "

@Kcmatt7 Relax Matt This is a smear campaign that will eventually be exposed

@Jayrawks1 Jeff Rosen? Is that kin to the stars Steve Rose🌹? He owns several smaller Kansas newspapers & has shortened his name. Also has had some interesting & controversial dialogue in his past. Some might describe him as a "rare" bird Some others might say kook

@globaljaybird so you think unidentified someone is giving them false news?

@Crimsonorblue22 Just a gut feeling because of the continuance of the information & the "news" all breaking from one source- the KC⭐️ Sooner or later they will be forced to verify accusations & it may or may not be false at that point The damages are clearly already being accumulated & a retraction would do little except be a formality

@TRUBLUE Uh, maybe you mistyped your name here, isnt it "BigBlue"? Troll Alert! Still sore your KY boyz lost their poise at home in Rupp?

Go back & read your own post: Way outta place, and make no sense...what a laugher!

@ralster I think you are wrong, check his old posts

@mayjay said:

Since I haven’t read the Star on paper for years and only the Royals coverage online, I was unaware of an anti-KU animus. Didn’t that largely begin with Whitlock?

I believe several decades before Whitlock. My memory stinks, but I recall some negative press back in the 70s. I bet there are other posters in here that have better memories and can post about it, with clarification.

This! They need to do what Russ Rob says.

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@HawkInMizery so you think I'll be watching Tyler self play sat? I wish Self would ban the star guys from his interviews

@Crimsonorblue22 man i hope not. well actually i hope so if it's for the right reason namely that we are giving ISU the business.

Having been around the block a few times. In situations like this, means we have a witch hunt. When you have a witch hunt, all you need to do is follow the money trail. There you'll find the answers to the questions we all have.

My guess is ??? KU is really turning around the football program, and with a national brand in basketball. KU becomes a must have for those conferences looking to expand. If this were the case ??? Then Kstate is in big trouble and the powers to be know it. I have no hard evidence so take what I say with a lot of salt. Yet I get this feeling those in power positions want KU and Kstate joined at the hip no matter how far it might drag down KU.

@drgnslayr Whitlock hated KU with a passion.

@Crimsonorblue22 I guess I'm just too lazy, sorry.

Witch hunt, bullshit, and all around crazy. Don't be fooled. It's obvious what's happening. First Bragg, then Vick, and NOW JJ? PLEASE and give me a break.

Let's not feed the monster anymore than has been fed. Let's let this die a slow death. We all know one of the top recruits in the nation, would NOT throw his NBA career or draft status away on something so scummy as this. He is too far removed from this and IF, IF, IF, he did have anything remotely to do with this, he was simply standing by and maybe trying to keep his teammate from this very trashy tabloid mess. My guess it's trumped and the scum that cooked this mess is not only dealing Vick, but they've raised the stakes and are now dealing Jackson into the whole mess. Their agenda is obvious. Let's let Self and Co take care of this trash. It will be taken out and disposed of properly.

@wissox said:

I don’t live anywhere near KC. Fill me on the Star. I really am not aware of the Star and their biases/leanings.

Let's just say there's a reason some call it the "Red Star" around these parts.

@truehawk93

BIFM is next! Don't worry the Star's got stories for days

@truehawk93

"Let’s not feed the monster anymore than has been fed."

Probably a wise idea.

But we are ready for Plan B, if necessary. "Plan B"... the "B" stands for Bad Boys. We already know how to play Bad Ball. We could become the WVU on steroids. We won't call it a "full court press".... ours will be "full court smash!"

Look at the bright side... We don't have to worry about giving up points in the post. Any opponent DARE come in the post with the ball gets undercut, punched, or has a bong shoved up their backside!

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BTW: We can recruit Eric Laimbeer.... Bill Laimbeer's son. He has the perfect record to help build our new reputation.

Laimbeer's son sentenced ↗

(Friday comic relief)

@mayjay .. yikes, I don't like that timeline at all.

The timeline for the McCarthy incident would appear to indicate that there us no way KU players could have been there by 10:00 PM as I posted in detail when the story broke. The Davidson game was scheduled to start at 6:05 PM and I seem to recall it being about average duration, or app. 2 hours. By the time they showered and did the after game interviews and got ready to leave it would have been not any earlier than 9:00 PM and perhaps as late as 9:30 PM.

A quick search for direction indicates a travel time of app. 50 minutes between the Sprint Center and AFH which is next to McCarthy. Anyone living the the KC area knows that at 8:00 PM a the Power and Light District, where the print Center is located, is a nut house, particularly after a KU game and it would have taken at least 15 minutes just to dive out of the area. Also, For a 6:00 PM game, the team probably had a late lunch and ate dinner after the game which would add at least another 2 hours. So, best case, the team does not get back to their dorm until 10:30 PM and close to midnight if the stopped for dinner, The call came in at 10:00 PM which would indicate the incident took place before that and while the players where heading back to but not at the dorm. Most likely scenario is that as they were walking to the building in groups from the bus, they saw somebody leave the building. Any thing beyond that is just [pushing the limits of reality. There is no reason for a responsible journalist to continue to bring this incident in any reporting about the KU program, any more that the false arrest of Bragg, other that to imply guilt by association even they write a disingenuous disclaimer. The fact that they even mention these events is wrong...in my opinion.

If the same chick is involved in all these incidents that would be a major consideration. I have dated my share of crazy women but, if this is the same woman in all the incidents, this one takes the cake since single handedly would have created a virtual crime wave in Lawrence.

There is no question that the KC Start does not like KU, ever since Joe Posnanski left the paper in 2009 the paper has not had a single sports writer of his stature or substance.

KU vs SEC in Basketball this season: 2-0

MU vs SEC in Basketball this season: 0-9

It probably is a sore point for the Star that MU, the flagship state institutio0n, is basically circling the drain, not only the sports program,s are in full disarray but the reputation of the school has taken a brutal hit in the last few years, including 3,000 student deciding to enroll elsewhere creating a $30M deficit and causing dorms to be closed, in a time where comparable schoo,l such as KU, have their dorms above capacity and P\programs such as the KU Medical Center getting national recognition while the MU Medical School falls behind, so they take their frustration on KU.

“There is perhaps no phenomenon which contains so much destructive feeling as 'moral indignation,' which permits envy or hate to be acted out under the guise of virtue.” ― Erich Fromm, Man for Himself: An Inquiry into the Psychology of Ethics

@drgnslayr Now that's funny. Chip off the old block?

@JayHawkFanToo I actually saw the team bus pull off the turnpike after 10:30 that night. Not sure of the exact time, but it was after 10:30.

@truehawk93

I played with a guy that looked EXACTLY like Bill. He was huge, strong, and he played equally dirty. I usually felt relieved that we were on the same team... except during scrimmages.

It really empowers a team to have an "enforcer."

@JayHawkFanToo

I REALLY enjoyed your last post!

@JayHawkFanToo Several of Erich Fromm's other books are very instructive in our current times. Especially Escape From Freedom, The Sane Society, and The Anatomy of Human Destructiveness. Thanks for the reminder.

@DanR

Thank you. Finally we have some real information. with your first hand information, now we know the team did not get to the dorm until close to 11:00 PM or well after the incident was reported. Why reporters did not bother do do this simple check is beyond me...probably creating alternate facts.

@drgnslayr @mayjay

Thanks. We all need from time to time to sit back and look at the entire picture rather than look at it through the narrow opening of our own biases.

@JayHawkFanToo said:

“There is perhaps no phenomenon which contains so much destructive feeling as ‘moral indignation,’ which permits envy or hate to be acted out under the guise of virtue.”

How true. great post.

@JayHawkFanToo said:

There is no question that the KC Start does not like KU, ever since Joe Posnanski left the paper in 2009 the paper has not had a single sports writer of his stature or substance.

Since I don't live in the area I don't know much about the Star. But doesn't Jesse Newell working there give some semblance of a pro ku influence there?

@wissox Maybe some but he's not the editor that would have rank in a yay or nay call on a copy. The Star ⭐️ has been in the trash for decades with high costs, poor quality & dwindling readership. The entire KC metro 🚋 is also very small compared to other cities. Maybe 2 million combined for both states & all burbs. Now enter the computer news age & print newspapers are facing extinction. Crap 💩 like they're printing now is just expediting the phenomenon It's kinda sad to some "more experienced " of us who cut our teeth on reading 📖 papers growing up, but WTH that's how it goes, first your money 💰 then your clothes...

@globaljaybird I've never understood why newspapers put their content on line for free. Cheapskates like me will take full advantage of that.

@JayHawkFanToo That is a brilliant and telling quote from Erich Fromm. It explains much of what we see.

Why don't reporters bother to report all the facts? It's because they have their own little biases and motivations. It's just like the newspaper as whole. Look at the front page each day. It's a constant barrage of the newspaper's agenda -- see today's front page as another example.

In the sports page, the agenda now is to keep the KU story line going forward.

Personally, I'm disappointed in Jesse Newell. His name was attached to some of these stories.

Now, the Star's editorial board is at it LINK ↗.

As I said a fews days ago, the knives come out in these situations.

We have to remember how some reporters get their job satisfaction. Some seek to destroy lives. One, like Laura Bauer a the Star, falls in to the category of pushing to harm lives of those she "reports" on. I mentioned the Tyreek Hill garbage.

We should be mindful of that here. With the KC Star editorial, they are coming after Bill Self. The knives are out.

And for pathetic reporters and editorial boards, what greater satisfaction could they get than to tear down a great man like Bill Self?

@wissox The McClatchy papers-Star, Wichita Eagle, etc., limit free content to an IP address to a specific count monthly then want you to ante up after that. For many years all I have looked at are the obituaries & sometimes still do. but it costs a small fortune to get one of any size printed anymore there re fewer & fewer included every day. When we put Dad's in there about 1 1/2 years ago it cost $200 for one very small 4 sentence paragraph to run one day.

@HighEliteMajor I saw that late last night but thought it was too crappy to put the link out here -
That's what they want, people to read it. They very well may be shooting their KUHoops page dead in the water. Far as I'm concerned it is, Newell, Bedore, whoever.... They sure as hell don't have anything like that dedicated to mu hoops LOL !!

@globaljaybird tcj is certainly impressing me!

@Crimsonorblue22 They're an old school paper & the McClatcheys are bungfodder. You makin the trip today ?

@globaljaybird here!

@Crimsonorblue22 Enjoy but drive safe. Is that abt 200 mi roundtrip or more?

@globaljaybird about a 2 hr 40 min dr. Going home afterwards!IMG_2856.JPG ↗

@Crimsonorblue22 Livin the dream... good for you! Rio good while you're gone?

@Crimsonorblue22 long haul like from here at the Rock back to KC.. abt 190 mi ea way

@globaljaybird he's w/me! One puzzle piece missing🤔

@Crimsonorblue22 and that would be?

@globaljaybird 🐶

@Crimsonorblue22 Rascal & I just had a walk about & is chilly at 32 deg. 60 tomorrow then 70 Mon & Tues. Not much winter ❄️ here at all. Yeaaah! Don't miss it a bit.

@HighEliteMajor

I fully agree with your assessment. True journalists are now the exception when once they were the rule, this why most people now take the news with a grain of salt knowing that sensationalism and sound bites have taken the place of actual reporting. Our last election cycle and ensuing coverage showed and continues to show how low journalism has sunk...at least it did to me.

Corporate agendas rule the content of the news cycle and individual reports either toe the line or find themselves out of a job. Of all people, Jay Bilas had a very good summary of the KU issues during Game Day separating fact from fiction and making sure to point out that the individual issues are not related. The KC Star reporters should watch the video and learn how it should be done.

@HighEliteMajor

Now, the Star’s editorial board is at it LINK ↗.

I just read the link you posted and that editorial goes beyond any limit and probably into the realm of libel. The information they present is factually incorrect and they blatantly lied.

For example, this is what the editorial said:

"t’s hard to believe that Self really had not “been made aware of anything.” But if that’s the case, maybe he should check in with Jim Marchiony, the KU spokesman who as The Star reported on Thursday, said school officials did know that Vick and star freshman Josh Jackson were involved in the investigation into the December report of vandalism, which occurred outside a Lawrence bar."

But this is NOT what Marchiony actually said as reported by the KC Star itself:

The Star emailed questions regarding the vandalism investigation to Jim Marchiony, KU's associate athletic director for public affairs.

"We are aware of the incident," Marchiony replied. "And we are aware of the investigation."

Marchiony referred a question about whether the university has investigated the reported vandalism, or will, to the school's public affairs office.

Marchiony never said that he knew that Vick and Jackson were involved, this is just a lie, because the Lawrence Police Department itself has indicated they do not have any person of interest in that investigation. ↗ so it would be impossible for Marchiony to name players when the Police Department itself does not have any person of interest.

And this is just an example of the many not only misleading but patently false statements in the editorial. Frankly, it is a sad day for journalism and I would love to see Coach Self to "pull a Trump" during the next press conference and call the KC Star "Fake News."

@wissox

Unfortunately it does not work this way, you either toe the corporate line or you are gone. This is true for most business where you do what you are assigned to do regardless of what you think or else you find yourself unemployed..however, most corporations are not in the business of keeping people informed and having the readers' trust.