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For us Eastern Timer's going to be a long night!

@BeddieKU23 CBS apparently doesn't care about ratings based on the Midwest tip times. Those games should be flipped since the Oregon game is tipping at 4pm Oregon time.

Sooooo one of Bay/South Caro/FL/Wisc will make the final four. DERP.

@Texas-Hawk-10

Weird decision.

@BShark That's what a 3,4,7,8 seed surviving will do for you. Not sure it was a weird decision, just a weird result.

@BeddieKU23 They don't really care about maximizing viewership apparently. Last night, on a day when they could play games all day long, they'd only played two games until our game started at 4:20. I had to get off to bed, waited til the end of the Duke game, but pretty crazy to move games into late at night on a weekend day.

@Texas-Hawk-10

Yup, totally agree

@wissox

I watched the end of the Duke game too, what a perfect way to end a great weekend!

@wissox

I think CBS always has rights to the earlier games on the weekends. Especially when it comes to Sunday, you can't move 60 minutes or its lineup of shows afterwords so the spread out times of the games get this way because of how "CBS is". The way they have it scheduled is not convenient

@wissox

The tip times are a weird decision. You'd think the KU game being first and the Oregon game being second would make more sense due to time zones.

Yes, I know it's a bit petty of me, but it still feels good to read about ESPN and the ACC having to face facts about how overrated that conference was this year...

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18957070/acc-teams-ncaa-tournament-struggles-prove-conference-was-overrated ↗

Also check out which team they like to win it all now... ahh, it's good to be a jayhawk these days.

@BShark you go to bed at all?

@Crimsonorblue22

Last night? ya

@BShark

Scott Drew has put together a good basketball team. I would guess that the winner of Baylor/S. Carolina will probably beat the winner of the other game.

On the other hand, I am really happy for Frank Martin. Always thought he was a very good coach and am glad that he is having some success after K-State stupidly ran him out of town so they could hire Bruce Weber. I wonder how much KSU fans are regretting that decision right now? Wouldn't mind seeing Martin make a run to the Final Four.

@StLJhawk

What a hilarious read! Thanks.

""The league isn't very tough," one ACC assistant said. "Too much finesse. You have to be tough to win in the NCAA tourney.""

Hahaheee!

@StLJhawk It is fun to gloat over their 'misfortune', (especially when it's Duke) but don't forget, each year it's one of the major conferences having that written about them. Just a year ago the ACC had half of the elite 8. The years of our early exits, 14,15, I think the big12 didn't do much in the dance those years.

@wissox 12 does very little every year if we're honest.

Here's to a new leaf.

@StLJhawk I still want to see a breakdown of the ESPN BPI - how it's performing in the tournament. Anyone know if there's a bracket that did just that? Or if there has been commentary? Guess I'll google & see.

RK TEAM CONF W-L BPI OFF BPI DEF BPI 7-DAY RK CHG

1 Villanova Big East 32-4 12.0 8.4 20.3 --

2 North Carolina ACC 29-7 11.5 8.1 19.6 1

3 Gonzaga WCC 34-1 10.3 9.2 19.5 1

4 Florida SEC 26-8 8.4 10.0 18.4 4

5 West Virginia Big 12 28-8 8.3 9.6 17.9 2

6 Louisville ACC 25-9 7.9 9.9 17.8 1

7 Duke ACC 28-9 11.8 5.9 17.7 1

8 Kansas Big 12 30-4 11.5 6.1 17.6 2

9 Oregon Pac-12 31-5 10.6 6.9 17.5 4

10 Virginia ACC 23-11 5.8 11.4 17.2 6

11 UCLA Pac-12 31-4 14.3 2.8 17.1 3

12 Kentucky SEC 31-5 9.2 7.8 17.1 3

13 Purdue Big Ten 27-7 9.2 7.6 16.8 2

14 Saint Mary's WCC 29-5 10.8 5.6 16.5 2

15 Wichita State MVC 31-5 7.2 8.5 15.7 --

16 Baylor Big 12 27-7 8.4 7.3 15.6 1

17 SMU American 30-5 10.2 5.2 15.5 1

18 Michigan Big Ten 26-11 11.6 3.8 15.4 --

19 Wisconsin Big Ten 27-9 6.5 8.4 14.9 2

20 Cincinnati American 30-6 7.0 7.8 14.8 1

21 Iowa State Big 12 24-11 9.6 5.1 14.7 2

22 Arizona Pac-12 32-4 8.4 6.1 14.6 2

23 Florida State ACC 26-9 7.6 6.3 13.9 3

24 Notre Dame ACC 26-10 9.8 4.1 13.9 2

25 Butler Big East 25-8 8.5 5.0 13.5 --

gah...these reporters ask the most ridiculous questions after defeats sometimes.

"what was the mood in the locker room immediately after the game"

"Jubilation and glee, man. We were all stoked to have our tails handed to us by an inferior South Carolina Team. We were all laughing about Coach Martins ridiculous suit he was wearing, too. Overall, just a good time to come in here after an "L" and spend one last time with all of my teammates"

@Blown I loved coach martins jacket, or suit

@Crimsonorblue22 fine. but his pants were atrocious. It didn't fit right. Pants, nor jacket.

But I like Frank. Just thought his suit was terrible.

Didn't notice the pants

@Blown to big?

@Crimsonorblue22

I take it you loved as in funny, ha, ha. His suit was hideous, in the words of some of my guests (females); the guys did not even notice it.

@Crimsonorblue22 check, that. maybe that's just how he likes his suits to fit. too big, too loose. sized wrong.

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@JayHawkFanToo I loved the jacket! Honest.

@Blown ewwww! Not attractive! Just liked that jacket

@Crimsonorblue22 Jay Wright can rock a suit. One of the best. Here's one for the road, though ...

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I also liked the ex NBA, S Carolina's guy's threads, he looked very sharp!

@Blown nooooo

@Blown

Yep. Jay Wright in college and Pat Riley in the NBA are the GQ standard.

@JayHawkFanToo I wasn't implying coach Martin was gq material!

@Crimsonorblue22

I wasn't either, simply naming the best dressed coaches. Frank Martin is a big guy and it is difficult for big people to look good and wear comfortable clothes...and you need to be comfortable while on the sidelines.

@JayHawkFanToo huggy!

@Crimsonorblue22

Yes...comfortable over GQ.😂

@Blown

Frank Martin's weight moves around so he tightens his belt when he is on the light side. Another thing.... Cubans often wear baggy clothes. It is cultural.

Speaking of Frank.... I thought he dealt with the politics well, too -

South Carolina's Frank Martin calls Confederate flag protest unfortunate ↗

I'm not a fan of the Confederate flag... but I respect everyone's right to free speech and it looks like Frank thinks the same way.

@drgnslayr I like frank a lot! Self often says he has a circle of about 10 close coach friends. Assuming those are ex Jayhawk guys, izzo and who else?

@JayHawkFanToo said:

I take it you loved as in funny, ha, ha. His suit was hideous, in the words of some of my guests (females); the guys did not even notice it.

You know, that is just the way. Men pay attention to personality, charm and sense of humor. Women are constantly judging men by how they look. Making men into objects, like we are all supposed to be nothing more than eye candy....Sheeeeeez!

@mayjay

ROTFLMAO...

@mayjay

I wish I could pass as "eye candy!"

Beats the hell out of "eye sore!"

LOL

@mayjay

Kind of like this in reverse?

I will be attending the SJ games and will have to catch the KU game from the SAP Arena on some remote screen. I'm trusting all of you to fill my void in front of a proper screen.

@Bwag not this year!

@wissox It's weird they don't care about ratings since ratings determine how much they can charge for advertising.

@StLJhawk Heck...Dook losing made my bball year. Anything else is cake.

@StLJhawk Yeah...that ACC was the strongest and dook was going to win it all based on the showing from their conference tourney. Oh and ISU replay KU to show who is truly the B12 Champion.

Oh wait....they LOST.

@Texas-Hawk-10

Not really. Prime Time on the East and Pacific is 8-11 PM instead of the 7-10 PM that we are used in the Central and Mountain times. I bet CBS has it set up to maximize viewership in ways that we don't know and the NCAA might have a say on it as well...they always do.

@JayHawkFanToo Oregon (west coast team) will be tipping off at 4pm local time. That's not maximizing viewership. Flipping tip iffs and having KU tip a 6pm local time and then having Oregon tip a 6pm local time is maximizing viewership.

How much would we be bitching if KU had a 4pm local tip off in the Sweet 16? If I'm an Oregon fan, I'm pretty pissed off about that tip time because if I work a normal 9-5, I'm missing most of that game.

The NCAA/CBS flat out screwed up the tip times for the Midwest region.

@Texas-Hawk-10

Do you think CBS would purposefully sabotage its own ratings? Keep in mind the order of the games is predefined well ahead of time by the NCAA and CBS might not have had a choice. Networks are in the business of maximizing viewership and they probably know a thing or two we don't know...and Dan Rather is not around to walk out if games go long...the old timers in the Forum will know what I am talking about.

@JayHawkFanToo You're right, the tip times are determined well in advance. What's not determined well in advance is which game fills which time slot. All we knew in advance was KU would play on Thursday after they beat MSU. We didn't find out until after every Round of 32 game had concluded that KU was in the late time slot on CBS.

Since you're so deadset on that NCAA knows what they're doing (I call BS on that by the way), tell me how Oregon tipping off at 4pm is maximizing West Coast viewership?

@Texas-Hawk-10

Please read my post. I did not say the NCAA knows what it is doing, most of the time it does not. I DID say CBS is in the business of maximizing viewership but they might not have had a choice as the schedule is mandated by the NCAA. OTOH, maybe they have information that they have a larger viewership in the East and Midwest than the do on the West Coast. I certainly do not claim to know more than CBS about maximizing viewership so it would be ridiculous for me to tell them they are wrong.

Maybe it is a petro-shoe conspiracy. :smiley:

@JayHawkFanToo CBS has no say in which games they broadcast at this point. All they have is the time slot blocked out and the NCAA determines which game goes in which time slot. Go look at the other 3 regions and there are two inconsistencies with the Mid West. One is that UCLA and Arizona are in the late time slots and the highest seeded team left in the other 3 regions all play in the early game to maximize rest time.

I will just about guarantee that the Oregon/Michigan game is going to be the lowest rated of the 4 Sweet 16 games on CBS because of the 4pm West Coast tip time. No matter what, there's going to be an EST team tipping at 9:30pm on Thursday, but flipping those two games puts KU at a 6pm local tip which isn't a problem for most fans, and would put Oregon at a 6:30 local tip which again, maximizes West Coast viewership. Instead, you have 1/4 of your viewing market that will miss the majority of a game because of a 4pm local tip, and another big chunk of the viewership that will likely be asleep before the end of the second game. Tell me how the current tip times maximizes viewership instead of hurting viewership and therefore hurting the bottom line because companies can point to the crappy ratings that are getting ready to happen and say we're not paying full price for a Sweet 16 advertising slot on Thursday because your ratings were crap.

@Crimsonorblue22 Alex English. Saw him play a couple times while stationed in Denver. Was a heck of a player in the '80's.

http://www.nba.com/history/players/english_bio.html ↗

@JayHawkFanToo Poor Alan. But how can you not notice those things? What's a guy to do?

@Texas-Hawk-10

I am sure CBS determined what was the schedule that would minimize audience and went with it...enthusiastically.

If you have an issue with CBS, then take it up with them. Here is where you can contact them. ↗ I am sure they will be happy to hear how you school them in TV scheduling and marketing.

@brooksmd

In this day in age nothing much short of walking away...

CBS reseeded all the teams ↗ and has Gonzaga as #1 claiming they only lost 1 game...I want to see WVU spank them silly and show them for the overrated team they are. KU was the overall #2l seed and considering the first two wins, there is no doubt KU should be #1.

@Blown I was thinknig the same thing when I watched the post game after the UC Davis Game like come on man these guys just lost and you're asking the dumbest questions possible.

@Blown That suit is god awful. A man with that kind of money ought to be able to afford a few nice tailored suits. Every man should own a few tailored suits in fact.

@JayHawkFanToo The writer, Norlander, has picked KU in his bracket to win the title. Seedings are based on records, metrics, etc and there is no doubt Ganzaga has a strong claim. No heartburn here, or need to feel dissed as (horrors!) his #2 seed.

FYI, your link is actually to a Shiver slideshow of the CBS article. The CBS link on the 1st one, SC, has it all on one page and is easier to read.

@BeddieKU23 I'm taking the following:

• Oregon

*KU

• West Virginia

• Arizona

• Butler

• Kentucky

• Baylor

• Florida

Ok, one last poke at Duke while it's fresh...

Nation Thrilled Grayson Allen Returned To Duke For One More Crushing NCAA Loss
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According to 538, KU is currently the most likely team to make the final four at 53%. Found that interesting. Gonzaga 46%, UK 40%. Unsurprisingly, Florida is the lowest percentage of the favourite in any region at 34%.

ESPN has re-seeded the sweet 16 with KU #1. Another site was the same (not CBS apparently) but I can't remember which.

I thought that picture of Frank was really MC Hammer.

Tip times are determined to put the #1 seeds in opposite time slots each night.

For Thursday, that means that the West and Midwest #1's were always going to be opposite each other. Could they have flipped it and put Gonzaga on late? Sure, but given that the Zags play WVU, that means that WVU's viewers would be tuning in for a game tipping at 11 pm local time. Unfortunately, because the bulk of tournament teams are in the Eastern and Central time zones, that makes working the TV schedule out pretty brutal because you don't have enough west coast teams.

They compensate by having the West Region tipping 30 minutes later than the Midwest.

Same thing takes place on Friday. UNC plays early, and what would have been Villanova's spot plays late. They can do that because the two marquee matchups on Friday are both in the South region, with the premier matchup being that UK-UCLA rematch. You also notice that what is thought of as the premier matchup gets the 9:39 time slot both nights.

Really, it's a compliment to KU that they get the late CBS slot. That means it's the best game of the night. Had Louisville beaten Michigan, they probably flip the slots to have that Oregon-Louisville game in the 9:39 spot. So really, if you want to blame anyone for this scheduling, blame Louisville.

@justanotherfan I think there wouldn't be any games tipping near 11 pm local time on the east coast. 10PM would be about the latest. Good information though. As some have pointed out, what a challenge to maximize viewership and appease fans.

@wissox

Trying to get the first game tipping after 7 in the Central time zone makes that near impossible. They would have to tip region 1, game 1 at 5:45 Central, followed by region 2, game 1 at 6:15 Central. That would let them tip region 1, game 2 at 8:15 and region 2, game 2 at 8:45.

But again, that makes that first game really early, especially on the west coast. The goal is to have game 1 of both regions wrapping in prime time, and the second games both tipping in prime time (hoping that people will get pulled in to watch the entire second game since its the marquee matchup of the night).

I'm perhaps in the minority, but Sweet 16 nights -- Thursday/Friday -- seem to be the perfect evenings of basketball.

My only gripe with the late start Thursday is having to be up roughly 4 hrs for work after the game ends. And throw in adrenaline from the game and I'm looking at even less sleep but a KU win will make all of that lack of sleep even better!

Otherwise don't have any issue this has been the way for many years. Maybe we were usually playing on a Friday and it mattered less because generally more people have the weekend off..

For me it's a Friday tipoff - at 3 a.m.

We are still DST here, otherwise it would be 4.

@mayjay

I do not agree. Villanova was the overall #1 seed followed by KU at #2; Gonzaga was the overall #4 seed. Gonzaga beat S. Dakota St., a #16 seed with a 18-16 record by 20 points in the first round, the same margin KU beat the much higher ranked Michigan State in the second round. Gonzaga had to fight hard to beat a pedestrian Northwest team by 6 points.

Gonzaga struggled in its second game while KU dominated both of its games. I am thinking WVU will expose Gonzaga whose record is built on smoke and mirrors and a weak conference.

@JayHawkFanToo Bingo. Gonzaga is not going to know what hit them.

@JayHawkFanToo I am not sure why you care so much what one guy at CBS wrote. He specifically said he was not basing it at all on the original NCAA seeding and was weighing the regular season into it. It is an arguably defensible position. Your position is also an arguably defensible position. People can differ on these things.

@ParisHawk You mean, still not DST? Still oh-dark o'clock! But no doubt there are hundreds of bistros and cafes showing American bb in the middle of the night!

@StLJhawk Much as I don't like Allen, he does have one more NCAA championship than our guys do, so to avoid jinxes I am not casting any "Ha Ha's" at him yet.

If we are hung over from celebrating two weeks from now, I will come back and retract my post, and proceed to unleash a big Bronx cheer at him!

@justanotherfan I like blaming Louisville, and for last year, too!

@mayjay

I did not say I cared much about who is number 1, I simply disagreed with his premise that Gonzaga is #1. The NCAA apparently agrees with me since it ranked KU ahead of Gonzaga at the start of the tournament and KU has played much better than Gonzaga since then.

Reseeding is typically done to reflect how the teams left are playing since the start of the tournament. If you are going to use the entire season...why reseed? Isn't this what the original seeding did?

Using the entire body of work should actually work against Gonzaga since it played in the weakest conference of any of the teams in the Sweet 16 and it is the only team left while the Big 12 has 3 teams.

We will find out soon enough how good Gonzaga is...

@JayHawkFanToo Please let me apologize. I misunderstood. I honestly thought Norlander has a right to have his own opinion about Gonzaga, and I did not realize that it is wrong for him to think of Gonzaga now as the #1 seed.

@JayHawkFanToo Maybe you'll be pleased with this. I know I am after seeing who one of his other #1 seeds is!

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18956668/wisconsin-badgers-emerge-no-1-seed-re-seeding-ncaa-tournament-sweet-16 ↗

@mayjay

No need to apologize (even sarcastically), we are in place where we all have opinions of our own and they don't always agree. Again, Norlander has the right to his opinion and I have the right to mine and I also have the rights, as does everybody else, to disagree with his opinion. We are all big boys and we can state our cases, form our opinions and draw our own conclusions.

Interesting that Norlander would seed Gonzaga #1 when he is picking Arizona to beat them and he is picking KU to win the Tournament... ↗ironic, isn't it?

Not that I frequent ESPN all that much anymore, but when I clicked on the NCAA tab today what I saw was:

"From Hill to Laettner, 25 years later" and

"How did it all go wrong for Duke?"

Cool, ESPN. Now I remember why I stopped visiting your site.

http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/ncaa-tournament-2017-16-bold-predictions-for-the-sweet-16/ ↗ ↗

Another pick for KU.

@KirkIsMyHinrich I noticed that when I posted my link a few lines above here.

@mayjay said:

You mean, still not DST?

Oops, yes...