For @jayballer54 @Crimsonorblue22 and everyone else that was wanting to scroll less. :grinning:
We have nothing on Cyfans sad to say. They have an 83 page thread about Wigginton, heh.
I wonder if KU will take a look at Shayok. I think he is really good. Numbers are deceiving because of UVA derpball.
Yeah that's the big issue, he is basically a 2018 recruit that can only play one year.
Kerem Kanter (Enes's little bro) is grad transferring from Green Bay.
Daejon Davis has asked for his release.
I would love to see him add multiple developmental players if the room is there. The less reliance on the 2018 class the better.
There's no way Graham and Svi leave at this point. Graham is only on one somewhat reliable mock draft and that's as a late 2nd rounder. Svi has dropped completely off the boards and may not even get a combine invite after the way he finished the season.
The 4 spot is the biggest question mark for next year. Graham, Newman, Svi, Vick, and Garrett is going to be a pretty good backcourt and Udoka and Coleby have the low post on lock down. The 4 spot is the biggest question mark for KU next year. Can Bragg finally play like a 6-10, 240 lb player that he's capable of being? Will Billy Preston ever play a game for KU because he's going to have academic eligibility questions hanging over his head. Can Lightfoot put on enough weight to earn some minutes and if not, will Self redshirt him so that Lightfoot can play against some more physical competition.
Hope you are right.
I would 100% take Graham + Svi returning, and Bragg transferring. Not saying they can't all come back, I just think due to all the recruiting misses that Self needs the guards to return moreso.
Juiston earns MVP award
Michael Stavola Staff writer mstavola@hutchnews.com 6 hrs ago (1)
The Hutchinson Community College players had a serious tone all night – none more than Shakur Juiston.
Just before tip off, Juiston grabbed Samajae Haynes-Jones and reminded him of their losses - Juiston his brother and Haynes-Jones his mother.
“We have to play with all our hearts,” Juiston remembered saying. “We have to play for them and just leave it all on the floor.”
Juiston’s demeanor finally changed with 1:38 left in the game, up 20 points, when coach Steve Eck pulled the starters. Juiston’s straight face turned to a big smile as he embraced assistant coach Jay Cyriac.
Hutchinson went on to win its third national title at the NJCAA Tournament Saturday with a 84-58 rout of Eastern Florida. As the awards were announced, an emotional Juiston tucked his face inside his jersey and wept like he’s never wept before.
“It was a very emotional time,” Juiston said. “I told myself last year, when the buzzer was over and we lost, that wasn’t happening again … When the buzzer went off (this time) tears of joy just came.”
Juiston’s double-double made sure it was tears of joy. He garnered a double-double each game of the tournament and capped the final game with 18 points and 13 rebounds and earned another record along the way - Most Valuable Player.
“Shakur just wills the team to follow his lead. We are going to miss him … sometimes he is a pain in the rear, but we are going to miss him,” Eck said with a laugh.
The 6-foot-7 power forward doesn’t know his next stop, but his mark is forever left on Hutchinson.
Juiston holds the school record for rebounds with 742 - the previous record of 714 was set by Mickey Jackson in 1977 - along with being the 14th in all-time scoring (1,042), fifth in blocked shots (117) and now the third player in Blue Dragons’ history to be the William B. French MVP.
“This is the period from the whole paragraph, the whole story,” Juiston said of ending his career in Hutchinson with a national championship.
@Crimsonorblue22 hopefully we can get him, especially if Bragg transfers.
@Crimsonorblue22 I'm glad he can use that terrible event to motivate him instead of drag him down. It's easy to let something like that (murder of your brother) destroy you. And I mean completely destroy everything you thought you knew about the world/god. It's not an easy thing to come thru on top.
Juiston sounds like one hell of a man and I will be routing for him wherever he goes as long as he isn't playing KU.
Hopefully we can get this young man on campus now that his season is over and KU'S is as well..
I have not kept up with recruiting at all. Can I get a summary ?
Billy Preston? Newman and Cunliffe. Marcus Garrett is next is 2 years away, Right?
@Blown said:
I have not kept up with recruiting at all. Can I get a summary ?
Billy Preston? Newman and Cunliffe. Marcus Garrett is next is 2 years away, Right?
Garrett is for next year, he's going to be a STUD.
Newman will start at the 2.
Cunliffe will compete for a starting spot at the SF once he's eligible.
Preston will be a while before we know if he's gonna put on a jersey. But he's got a great chance to start if he is here
@BeddieKU23 if Graham returns who runs point?
Preston has eligibility issues? So if he doesn't come we have Doke, Lightfoot, and Coleby ?
@Blown Graham is the PG next year, Newman the two, Svi at the 3, Vick and Garrett off the bench for the backcourt. The front court picture is a lot murkier. UA and Coleby should anchor the 5 spot, but the 4 spot is where there are all kinds of question marks. Is Bragg going to be back, will Preston play period? What will Lightfoot's development look like?
KU may very well be forced into another 4 guard line up next year with Svi and then Cunliffe (once he's eligible) manning the 4 along with Lightfoot.
The hutch juco kid would be great
@Blown said:
@BeddieKU23 if Graham returns who runs point?
Preston has eligibility issues? So if he doesn't come we have Doke, Lightfoot, and Coleby ?
Yup Graham would run point.
Preston does have issues but he went to Oak Hill where they master in this stuff. His problem probably won't be grades but the amount of schools he attended and the fact 2 of them were basketball factories. Let's hope he got enough core classes before he went to Oak Hill.
Not a great front court if we don't have Preston. Bragg, I think it was telling he didn't play last night..
A lot of holes to fill with this team still. Self should sign to 13 guys which could mean 4 to 5 more players this spring
Any chance of going after chase Jeter for 2018?
@BeddieKU23 Preston's eligibility issue isn't grade related, it's that amount of time he spent at API which used to be Prime Prep in Dallas. That place has never been accredited by the NCAA which is why Prime Prep shut down and was basically rebranded as API after Deion Sanders was no longer involved in the school. Basically, Preston is facing the same battle that Diallo faced and how many of those core classes was Preston able to make up this year at Oak Hill will determine his eligibility. I really wouldn't be surprised if Preston doesn't get to Campus until August after attending summer school at Oak Hill or somewhere that he can make up his API credits the NCAA won't count.
So basically we will have one point guard yes?
@betterfireE Yes but both graham and Newman I look at like a Chalmers type. Self loves combo guards.
@betterfireE said:
So basically we will have one point guard yes?
Right now we have just 1. And that one may test the waters and leave.. very sticky position to be in. No backups on the team, not a single primary ball handler on the team right now. We can only hope that Self goes out and finds someone who can help next year's squad.
Garrett ran point at his school but he's probably going to be more of a combo guard in college at his 6'7ish height. I love what Marcus is going to bring to this team especially defensively. He might be used in situations as a facilitator if we lose out on some options.
Even if Devonte returns we need another point guard that can play right away. Self has said Newman isn't an option to run point and that his best assets will be used at the 2 guard position. It will be a deviation from what we had the last couple years with Frank/Devonte.
@BeddieKU23 Svi is a competent ball handler as well so I would imagine he would handle some of the secondary ball handling duties as well. Vick is who really needs to work on his handles next for next year so he can play and sub for the 1-3 spots next year.
Competent, sure, but we both know Svi is not going to be a point guard if he's around next season. His role at KU and the role he'll have after KU will be most likely at the SF position. We're in trouble if we are forced to rely on any of the following players running the show (Newman, Svi, Vick). Players don't magically become something overnight(or even in 1 off-season) especially a floor leader after previously having little to no experience doing so in the past.
Self better find this team some ball handlers even if Devonte sticks around
The party should start soon. I agree KU needs a PG.
Marcus Evans will transfer from Rice. This is an upgrade type transfer for the kid. Was around 20ppg first two years.
@BeddieKU23 I didn't say Svi would run point, I said he could handle the secondary spot such as breaking the press, being an outlet, and a lot of that stuff
Svi looks to get rid to the ball almost as soon as he touches it in the back court. Not sure if its a confidence thing or just told to get it in Mason's or Deveonte's hands.
Duke has no interest in Waters either. The plot thickens...
@Blown Graham runs point. Malik is the number 2. Vick/Svi is the 3. Preston/Bragg is the 4. Doke is the 5. Or something like that. I choose to remain myopic about Preston, so when someone suggests he might not be eligible, I put my hands over both ears, and yell BLAHBLAHBLAH as loudly as I can. Now, of course this can be a little tricky sitting in a public restaurant with a smart phone, so I'm hoping I don't read many more posts prophesying that negative event.
What a mess Syracuse is.
@KUSTEVE said:
@Blown Graham runs point. Malik is the number 2. Vick/Svi is the 3. Preston/Bragg is the 4. Doke is the 5. Or something like that. I choose to remain myopic about Preston, so when someone suggests he might not be eligible, I put my hands over both ears, and yell BLAHBLAHBLAH as loudly as I can. Now, of course this can be a little tricky sitting in a public restaurant with a smart phone, so I'm hoping I don't read many more posts prophesying that negative event.
:+1:
Nobody wants Preston to be ineligible but at least we are not blindsided by his issues (Diallo) well in advance. More than anything I've just tried to keep the buckets fan-base well aware that Preston is not a slam dunk to play at Kansas. I hope all this goes away somewhow..
He's a fantastic talent, with some coaching needed around the edges. He's the type of 4 that would be tantalizing in KU's offense with his guard skills stuck in a legit 6'10-6'11 body. Very reminiscent of a young Marcus Morris with more athleticism
I do think Preston will play, but it's good to be cautious. It might take some summer school work. Obviously the classes from API are not going to count.
Per Andrew Slater
"Hearing Duval to Duke, but UA wants him overseas with an endorsement deal
Sounds like MJ Walker to FSU
Knox-Duke but the father runs it
Tugs- Arizona/MSU battle---but waiting to see who leaves Arizona---Trier has to go..When I was in Atlanta yesterday, the word was Kobi would love to declare, but probably has to do another year.
McCoy-Very likely Oregon with UNLV and MSU remaining contenders
Zion's mom runs his recruitment, but the stepfather will continue to be the one who talks
Quinerly to the RENs "
Dequon Lake to ASU. They are desperate for bigs so that makes sense.
Jemarl Baker got out of his LOI from CAL.
French PG Joel Ayayi is looking to go to a US college. Baylor has already offered.
Your going all Bham on us, I don't like it. Where's the positive KU news. That was full of nothing positive. I need sunshine pumping to the max, we need something good to put the Oregon loss behind us.
Problem is I think we'll see more negative news towards next years team before we get some momentum.
Heh. The thing right now is that if Graham and Svi come back that's already 6 good guards. History has shown the 6th won't really play. So any guard pick-up would likely be entirely developmental.
The post is a log jam as well. Adding a kid like Juiston only makes sense to me if Bragg is leaving. Though Coleby/Doke/Preston/Mitch/5th post is still only 11 players when combined with 6 guards.
So that leaves 2 to fill though the end of the roster is typically not very good.
True, the six we potentially would have would be a great collection of talent. Really would allow Self to continue to be flexible with a perimeter oriented (4 guard offense). Svi, Vick, Cunliffe, Garrett have great size, athletic ability and the ability to guard multiple positions. Having 6 guards/wings would be ideal for depth and allow Self to potentially put more pressure on teams and keep legs fresher.
I don't think we can go into next season without getting another post. Not a single post player on the roster that doesn't have major questions to answer. A Preston/Doke combo sounds great on paper but comes with a lot of growing pains. Coleby, solid backup especially if he can maximize his off-season with Hudy. Lightfoot ? Bragg? Boy we have a lot of uncertainty down there.
Can someone put together a list of guys that we are actually actively recruiting? I'm out of the loop, but it doesn't seem like there is a lot going on with us and recruiting.
Juiston
Duval (no chance)
Right now that's it. I'm sure we will find out a lot more over the next month since KU is now out of the tournament.
While true, I'm not sure if there is a post player KU could now get that doesn't have question marks.
Juiston looks a like a reliable option if he was able to transition into the system and the trip to Italy would certainly help him there. But your right overall.
As BShark said the list is small, especially until Graham/Svi/Bragg decide on their future. April will provide more clarity
Marcus Keene not transferring, going pro. Can't blame him. His stock is as high as it will ever get. I expect him to get a pretty good deal to play overseas.
If Graham is back, he runs point, Newman slides to the 2, with either Vick or Svi playing the 3 spot.
Garrett and Vick or Svi comes off the bench.
Doke starts at the 5. Bragg or Preston at the 4. Non-starter of Bragg and Preston comes off the bench, Coleby is the 4th big. Lightfoot grabs the extra minutes (still will need to add weight and get stronger).
Just not sure where we can fit another backcourt recruit if Graham stays. Cunliffe will be eligible and in the mix for PT at some point. Vick and Svi have to get minutes. I just don't know where you find the time.
I fully expect Graham & Svi will test the waters, they both could be combine invites as well. That will keep KU in limbo for any potential top player and will have us on eggshells for next year.
@BeddieKU23 Usually things get a little clearer after the Banquet right? Which should be here in just a couple of weeks.
Seems like 247 is having some issues. I watched the video already, basically he said KU was recruiting him since 8th grade, he loves Self and Townsend, would like Duval to come to KU of course.
I would just check back later maybe it will be fixed.
@justanotherfan You expect Bragg to be here?
Preston getting NCAA clearance concerns me.
The Weathers brothers are transferring from Miami Ohio. NE Kansas natives.
Bragg is a significant concern.
If we don't have Preston for academic reasons, we are back to playing four out again next year, except without Josh Jackson, whose skillset made that possible (tall enough and athletic enough to handle the defensive assignment against just about every 4 in the country). That would be... less than ideal.
I'm learning a lot about recruits and having a good time looking them up.
Thanks for all those with insight on all of this.
Can't wait to see how it all unfolds for next season.
They want KU, not surprising but good to know.
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/article141309513.html ↗
We have certainly had worse at the bottom of the roster.
Graham was listed as a mid to late second round before the tournament and if he had continued playing like he did against MSU and Purdue and KU advanced he could have moved to early second round to late first round; however, his play against Oregon probably hurt him big time and now he is probably a late second to not-drafted. I would expect him to come back and aim for a Mason-like season to improve his stock.
word is Barrett will be re-classifying into the 2018 class. KU will have plenty of room to sell to him.. I know we are in it, but the "shady" side of recruiting is going to be a factor with him
To quote Princess Bride, "It would take a miracle".
Yeah pretty much.
With what I've seen at Bamba it makes me sad that he never considered KU.
What a waste he would be under Shaka. And yeah...preferably he won't play KU 2-3 times next year...
If I'm a big I run away from Duke but no doubt they will continue to land just about whoever they want.
Giles and Bolden massively underperformed. Jeter looks like a Bragg situation where people were just wrong.
Also playing out of position.
@BeddieKU23 said:
He better not end up at Texas
But agreed he's going to be a problem defensively wherever he goes. Insane Wingspan
I get the sentiment, but
I kind of hope he/other top talent pick the Big12 so KU is more battle tested late in the season. KU always gets everyone's best shot. I just wish it was a bit better to push KU to higher heights. Juices our team up to play a Durant, Beasley, Griffin, or even Heild.
Bamba is just going to be an absolute pest for any team that plays against him. He could defensively have the impact that a Anthony Davis had. If he ends up at Kentucky we'll play him next year anyway. He'll make Kentucky really scary in the front-court again.
He's not a polished offensive player so he's really not in the mold of the players you mentioned above. He might have the most potential of anyone in the class because he plays hard and if his offensive game catches up he's going to be a major problem for any big.
If he was going to end up in the Big-12 I wish it was anyone but Texas. Just can't get on board liking Smart or wishing he gets talent that keeps him around
Yeah Smart can eat dirt. Big 12 is going to be way down next year and I don't think late recruits can change that.
@BeddieKU23 @BShark
I took a look at 247 to find out more about Bamba. Under the list all teams page, we are included but it say KU has not made an offer.
Is that true? I do not know much about recruiting sites, but this cannot be a reliable site, in my opinion: they show KU as still having C Diallo on the roster at Bamba's position.
We offered but Bamba never showed any interest back. Word is Bamba is an interesting dude and has really been slow with his recruiting process and doesn't talk much to the media. He established some relationships early with Texas due to playing on Team USA, Duke, Kentucky and just stuck with them. The Michigan visit was interesting but they were never really in it.
He plays defense with a motor like Josh Jackson with a near 8 foot wingspan. It's just not fair.
Well I know Quinton Grimes and then the Dotson kid is surpose to be heavy KU leans - - I rad off Zags blog that Kentucky had just offered Grimes. -- -So what's peoples feelings o these guys, what's your gut telling you on Grimes? - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Man maybe just me, but I don't think I have ever seen the amount of transfers as I'm seeing this year, seems quite a bit higher - -am I imaging this or is there an excess this year?
Just read of ESPN where there are three UNLV players transferring this yr - -not graduate transfers these are still in school : - - - Troy Baxter Jr - -A freshman guard , Zion Morgan , A freshman guard & Jalen Poyser , a Sophomore guard. - - I can't begin to name them all, just seems like a lot of kids.
I know Freeman from Baylor - - -The guard from Oklahoma- - - plus another player from the league from the Big 12 just many many players.- - -What you think is going on? -- Why so many? - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@jayballer54 The number of transfers has been increasing every year. I did a Google search on "increase in basketball transfers" and there was an article in 2012 about the increase, then another one from 2014, and this 2017 Sports Illustrated article on how it is changing things:
Like @BeddieKU23 said KU was interested in Bamba, he just never reciprocated that interest.
Oh and 🐦 View Tweet I would bet it's VCU, but good that KU has shown interest.
There are more transfers every year.
Part of it is the widely-held perception on transfers. They used to be viewed very negatively, like divorced people used to be treated.
But as it has become more common, the negative perception has died down, just like with divorced people, too.
@Texas-Hawk-10 I agree with your basic take on Graham and Svi. However, Svi is holding and believe he can improve his stock next year. He'll be fine and will at least get some of that European money.
I do want to address your 4 spot issue. We will have a complete nightmare match-up with Billy P at the 4. He is 6-10 and plays like a freakin 3 guard. IF HCBS tries to play him at the 5, it will be a huge mistake. We have plenty of size with the other bigs at the 5. We don't need BP at the 5. BP is looking more and more like a LeBron/KD type player.
Lastly, I guess you're basing your academic issues on past history? I think we learned our lesson with Ayton. We tried to land Ayton and were the only team that showed any interest with him. Zona came in at the last minute and snatched him maybe due to our pause with his "academic" eligibility.
I'm not convinced Bragg can and will ever develop at this point. I do like your idea with Lightfoot and see him follow a 5th year senior type experience, call it the LL experience. Lightfoot is too light to bang inside right now. Hudy needs to Hudy-ize him. Remember, Jeff Withey never quite developed into the 5 that we all wanted. Withey never gained the weight needed to really bang, even though he did. However, Withey had those volleyball blocking skills that were perfect for his game. We also had a nasty bruiser in that little guy named Thomas Robinson.
I'm really really curious about Cunliffe. I am completely holding my breath and hope this kid is worth the transfer.
@Crimsonorblue22 Reminds me of Mario Little. I also remember that year and how Bill Self really forced Rio into the 4. It never quite worked real well. He had moments against smaller teams, but to me Little looked like a fish out of water at the 4. Mario Little was also a 3, NOT a 4 and it showed in his game too.
Maybe it was Rio's juco game that never quite translated to the D1 stage. He was overall a good player, but each time he slipped into the 3, his game always showed flashes of what could've been. We also got a little guard from the juco ranks name Tyrone Appleton. No disrespect to Appleton, but he was a total waste of transfer. I'm not completely sold on juco transfers yet. I'm not saying they can't work, I'm saying it's yet to be determined for HCBS. The only juco transfer that shined at the D1 was the kid at WSU that beat us in the 2015 tourney. Cleanthony Early was one of the best juco transfers that translated fairly well for WSU.
This is my way of saying that I'm not sure about Bill Self and juco transfer. I'm a little concerned that we even have to scour the juco ranks, but gotta do what you gotta do....I guess.
@BeddieKU23 Exactly. HCBS will not play that crap either. He shouldn't have to play that kind of recruiting non-sense to get a recruit. Let's leave it to the sleaze ball coaches and you can name them all.
I think that hutch juco kid will be good.
YA, so very true- - -ha boy do I know about the way a divorcee was kind of looked at, but now it seems almost TO easy for a divorce, just seems a lot of times couple argue and the 1st thought crosses the kids minds - -the hell with this I'll just get a divorce. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Grimes and Dotson are probably the two recruits we have the best chance with right now, and I stress right now.
Grimes has a lot of big programs after him because he's a top player, his Jr year was really good and he's the prototypical combo guard that Bill Self loves. Grimes came off a visit to Kentucky last year and said KU was his favorite. I'm sure things have changed, like Duke getting involved as well as Arizona. Although Duke is also targeting other point guard types Grimes is one of their options. Kentucky is also after some other kids but is keeping Grimes in the loop. Arizona seems like the other main program that has prioritized Grimes and that will be interesting to monitor. I'm sure Bill will be following him all summer
Dotson on the other hand is a kid KU has a really good chance to get. He's from an area where you would expect UNC/Duke to be all over that but UNC locked up 2 guards already and as mentioned before Duke is after a few other guards. Most notably Darius Garland, who KU just offered is one that is probably locked up to Duke. Actually Duke people are surprised why he hasn't already committed. Dotson paying his own dime to visit during the season says we have to be his favorite if one was to read between the lines. Dotson had a great Jr year and is the type of point guard that could become a fan favorite like Frank Mason. I expect he'll be a 3-4 year type that can really impact a program. Dotson has other schools after him, maybe most notably Villanova but I would say at this moment Dotson is KU's to lose.
It's the culture we live in today. Coaches have been doing this for a long time and it seems that the kids have finally caught on.
I would say contributing factors are the AAU scene, the OAD rule and the graduate transfer rule which basically makes you a free agent.
Billy Preston went to five high schools for example and played on a few AAU squads as well. The constant moving around starts at a young age.
The OAD rule has created this culture where kids want to prove they are good enough in one year, not 4. The development curve these kids think is best has changed significantly.
If kids don't get the situation they want and are forced to sit the bench, chances are your at risk of losing him. If Mitch Lightfoot wasn't a lifetime Jayhawk fan he would be a prime candidate of someone looking for more opportunity today.
One of the main issues I see with the high number of transfers is how many are transferring from lower level D-1 schools and crippling those teams that cannot find someone they have spent 2-3-4 years developing. You see a lot of the best players from smaller schools trying to "level up" and get to a high major. As @drgnslayr has said, the reputation of transfers has completely changed recently. Bill Self has taken how many transfers in the past 5 years? The number seems to be increasing by the year. It's almost an necessity to include transfers in the discussion of recruiting. The game has definitely changed, for better or for worse.
I agree, with Barrett, Nike is going to do its best to influence where he ends up. It's just the truth nobody wants to talk about.
Barrett is a future NBA SG/SF and the next star from Canada. He loves Andrew Wiggins and that's a big part of why KU has any chance of landing him next year if he does drop down a class. Adidas doesn't help KU, at least we don't seem to hear about them pushing kids our way. Maybe that's Self keeping his hands clean from that aspect of recruiting, or he's just really good at keeping it hush. There are a lot of 2018 top kids that are not Nike which is rare and a sign of how things have changed.
@truehawk93 Preston has legitimate academic eligibility issues because of how long he was at API which has a long history of producing players who failed to academically qualify for NCAA competition.
You're also backwards on Ayton. KU was the only major program recruiting him while Ayton was dealing with his issues. Once it appeared like that would no longer be a stumbling block for him, the usual suspects got involved and he chose Arizona over Kansas and Kentucky.
Have to close Grimes.
(original post)
offered grimes tonight
Would have included Grimes on that list but hear Kansas leads and by maybe a wide margin.
Yeah it's definitely harder to find program players now. Even the "mighty" Kentucky, both their recent program players are Kentucky boys Willis and Hawkins.
Duke until recently, seemed to have 5 stars be content to be bench warmers. But now we are finally seeing some transfers.
FYI Shakur Juiston is the #1 ranked Juco player according to Jucorecruiting.com
Other notables
Jordan Brangers #3 going to Texas Tech- lethal scorer from the perimeter.
Shawn Olden #11 going to TCU
D'Angelo Hunter #14 going to West Virginia
Josh Webster #17 going to Texas Tech
@jayballer54 I actually wish more couples would divorce if they think about it when they have their first big fight if it means they split before having kids, because all too many get married before they are ready, then have kids thinking that will make things better, then divorce anyway, then fight over custody and money forever ruining the kids' childhoods.
Interesting that Texas Tech is using juco guys being that they run the motion offense. That offense take some time to understand and run effectively. You have to fill out a roster though.
Brangers is a kid that will make an impact for Tech next season. He played for the Juco team that the coach has copied the Golden State Warriors method on offense. I believe it was the NY Times that ran their story recently if I'm correct..
Brangers averaged 20.9 pts this year on 49% shooting and 46% from 3 (151-327). He's the type of shooter that Tech has needed.
@BeddieKU23 Dang my friend , Looks like Texas Tech did a really good job with these Juco's can't do anything but help their program for sure, This league is getting to be very competitive , It's getting to the point that there is no gimme's any longer. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
So my friends, let me ask you this - -Just how much of a legit contender for Shakur are we? - -We for sure could use him correct? - -I see posted he was ranked # 1 - -is this for Juco in Kansas OR in the Nation? -I think before this is all said and done this season I think we are going to end up with yet 2-3 more players and I feel we may be surprises just exactly how well we turn out. - - Seems to be even yet at this point there are actually quite a few quality players whether high School route, Post Grad or just regular transfers, going to be very interesting how this all turns out. - - I think just like always we are going to be just fine. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
ISU will be bad.
Texas if Jones stays in the draft not much hope for them despite a solid recruiting class.
Baylor might be pretty bad.
KSU, Bruce is still the coach.
TTU will be bad.
Plenty of chaff in the league next year.
@jayballer54 In the nation. But Juco sports are bigger in KS than most states, so it's a fair question.
Juco ranking for the nation.
Sure we have a chance. He hasn't taken any visits. Schools have popped in and out to his games etc including KU. Iowa St has probably put in more time then most especially with their need for post players and losing so much this year.
Iowa St has an insider that says relationships will be important with Shakur from what his coach says. I also think the same Iowa St guy is trying to imply that ISU being on him longer will potentially be an advantage The KU offer was obviously his biggest and who knows how much sway that has because we have probably come in late compared to other programs that knew about him earlier.
We should know fairly soon if he does decide to set up some visits. Hutch just won the Juco Championship and Self will be back from the Final 4 to do 1 on 1 with the players next week. We should start hearing decisions on the draft and transfers after that. I would imagine that is when Juiston could be a possible visitor especially if a certain player is no longer with the program..
Tech has 5 transfers from either Juco or from D-1 schools. They also return 4 starters who will all be seniors. I think Beard will be a tough out in year 2.
I like this post from MS...
"I've mentioned a number of times the KU has a great in with Grimes. Lets just say that his mom knows KU well. VERY WELL!"
Got Josh due to mom, lost Cody Riley due to mom. Mom definitely matters.
Definitely. Forgot to mention we lost Trae due to mom. That one was crystal clear even.
Wish more of these kids had mom AND dad involved in their lives.
I am leery of JuCo players. Yes, they dominate in JuCo play but it is just a step above HS and more than a step below mid minors. There is huge difference between JuCo and Division I and regardless of how much a player dominates at that level, it is highly unlikely he will do the same in Division I. With very few exceptions, I would consider a JuCo player a bandaid solution or maybe bench insurance but I would not count on one to be a substantial contributor...maybe at a small program but not at an elite one.
Marvin Bagley has added KU back to the list of schools he is considering. Lol.
Generally Juco kids are what they are. Sometimes you do get a player that can really help you out though.
Taking the Juco rankings from the past few years:
2011 #1 Pierre Jackson- had a nice career at Baylor
2012 #2 Cleanthony Early- nice career at Wichita St, got drafted
2012 #10 Marshall Henderson- what a shooter and nutcase he was at Ole Miss
2013 #1 Chris Jones- KU wanted him, he ended up at Louisville and was a starter.
2013 #6 Elgin Cook- Started at Oregon, was an important part of their Elite 8 run last year.
2014 # 2 Kadeem Allen- Starter at Arizona this year.
2014 #11 Gary Payton Jr- Solid player at Oregon St, ended up in the NBA.
2015 #3 Chris Boucher- Solid starter at Oregon the past 2 years. Injury de-railed his run with Oregon towards the Final 4.
2015 #4 Joel Acuil Jr- Led the Big 12 in blocks this year.
2015 #20 Vlad Brodziansky- Leading scorer for TCU this year.
Juiston is that type of kid that can help KU. It's not like the 4 spot has any guarantee right now. He does a lot of things well (especially rebounding, blocks, assists) and is a high level athlete. He just led his team to a Juco title. He's better than any HS recruit we'd get at this point outside of Duval.
More than anything I think his character would be a big plus to this team that is losing senior leaders and is transitioning into life without Mason & Lucas.
You really have to look at why the kid is in JUCO. Then of course throw out the stats and just evaluate. KU hasn't had the best luck with JUCOs but I feel Juiston could change that.
Yeah, no idea what is going on with Bagley but no way he ends up at KU. He will be great wherever he goes, probably UK.
Sometimes it depends why a player ended up in JuCo. Some just do not have the talent for Division 1 but explode in JuCo and others do not have the grades and have to do a one or two year sting in Purgatory...in a manner of speaking. In any case and as I indicated, the ones that end up as contributors in Division I are few and far in between.
If he could shoot EVERYONE would be on him.
I only listed the one's that stood out. But I understand your point and I'm not disputing it.
Juiston has had a very unfortunate upbringing that is likely the reason he ended up on the path he is on. I liken his situation to Jamari Traylor who had some comparable adversity in his life and while Traylor was not the greatest Jayhawk to put on a Jersey he did help KU win some games in his career. Shakur seems like a driven kid, heck he got a KU offer and a Juco Title in the past month. I think he's worth taking a shot on for 2 years
@JayHawkFanToo juco= purgatory? You should go to the national tournament sometime. When our kids were young we went to all the games, saw some really talented players. W/high costs of colleges increasing we have a ton of kids in Reno co getting almost 2 free years of credits at hutch juco. A lot of kids are taking college classes during their hs years. Enrollments are up here due to encreased costs.
I did not men that in a derogatory way. I went to JuCo the first two years so I am am aware of the advantages of a good JuCo. It is indeed an extremely good option since the firts two years of most careers student usually take basic classes that a JuCo can provide for a very reasonable cost.There is no question that many JuCo programs have lower admission standards than major schools and sometimes, superior HS players with sub-par grades go there to raise their grades and bide their time so they can move to a major program; I believe that is the definition of purgatory....the place you go to atone until you are ready for the next level.
Two-year Johnson County Community College in Overland Park has 46,000 students enrolled in credit and non-credit classes...this is more than KU and KSU combined...not bad...
Looks like Preston is all setup to play at KU...
@JayHawkFanToo not exactly, hcc fb had guys from d1 programs, ksu and KU for example, would send players down for a year to play instead of sitting out a year. They were not ATONING for having lower grades! I know a few guys!🤔
This still happens.
I was referring to basketball, football is a lot different since you are dealing with 80-100 players instead of 13-15. Hard to give playing time even in practice to that many players in football. In basketball, ever single players is used and sometimes they even have student assistant participate. I would be shocked if Coach Self ever told a prospect go play in JuCo and we will visit after one or two years...just sayin'...
Makai Ashton-Langford asks for his release from Uconn. Top 30 player and a combo guard, I believe KU showed a bit of interest during the summer. Hopefully the staff goes after him, he's going to be the most sought after player
Oh and Brewster alum. We may have a few of those.
Led Brewster to undefeated season
Yes please!
@BeddieKU23 Adidas kid too. Might have a chance.
Thread from MS about guards to keep an eye on. Mentioned that KU is waiting on Duval but you read between the lines and figure KU is probably not getting Duval.
Anyway names mentioned: Thomas Allen, Marcus Evans, Mark Smith, Jermaine Cousinard ( @BeddieKU23 TRIGGERED ), and Makai Ashton-Langford.
Supposedly Kentucky is also kicking the tires on Allen, what a step-up that would be for him if he ends up at KU or UK...
@BeddieKU23 seen this too, I'm not sure if it was just the reporter or he mentioned I think it was the reporter, he listed Kansas but also some others saying that Makai was looking for a place where he could get his hands on the ball immediately - well here we are, I think he would be a nice catch - -again shaping up - -ALOT of players opening up - -again for the spring signing - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Graham would have to leave for that to be the case. Imagine he isn't going to UConn because Adams is staying.
@jayballer54 I don't know about Juiston. I'd figure Mario little would be a good comp on the limited info I have. He'd be nice to have. If nothing else he would make practices spirited.
The Jacobs brothers are transferring to Hillcrest Prep. Fantastic for them and KU. This should do nothing but help Markese's development. It really wouldn't shock me if KU found room for Demarius at the end of the bench if they want to be together in college. I think Self has learned his lesson there...
Hadn't watched Ashton-Langford in a while because his recruitment I thought was over. Always liked his game, he's a winner wherever he's played.
Positives:
Can get anywhere he wants on the court
Fearless going to the hoop.
Good size for the PG spot.
Mid-range game looks solid
Ability to change directions on a dime, which plays into his ability to get where he wants.
Weaknesses:
Jump-shot needs work, not broken and can make it off the dribble.
Predominately right handed finisher. You'll see this in about every video, he finishes right even when he should use the off hand. College defenders will exploit that.
Dribbles high, again something a lot of kids adjust to in College.
Good athlete, not explosive which is why he's hovered in that 30's range in rankings.
Solid 2-4 year guard for any program. Some upside, is a proven winner which is an important quality in a floor leader. If Graham does test the waters KU should be at his front door begging
Duval will be cutting KU shortly. Which if we aren't going to get him, is much better than him dragging it out so the staff can move on.
glad we will be able to stop talking about him soon
I'm waiting in a few weeks for his final 9
@BeddieKU23 Well for what it's worth, that wonderful CB ha predicting him to Providence - -three picks all for them - I NOW believe those guys don't know squat. -They have been proven wrong to many times. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@jayballer54 said:
@BeddieKU23 Well for what it's worth, that wonderful CB ha predicting him to Providence - -three picks all for them - I NOW believe those guys don't know squat. -They have been proven wrong to many times. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Providence was one of his finalists and is local. They could use him as a major upgrade at their pg spot
@BShark No announcement from Trevon Duval (@DatGuy_Trey) today. He trolled Twitter on April's fools day.
@Texas-Hawk-10 What's funny is that every player that Zona gets from KU, they all seem to end their college play in mediocrity.
Bullets dodged.
Bagley III has added KU to his list of 6 (cut Oregon). Any chance he ends up in Larryville?
Being reported that Bolden will transfer from Duke. Nothing official yet that I've seen but there has been a lot of smoke lately that he will transfer to TCU. If he does transfer, honestly I hope it's not to KU.
High profile out transfers reflect poorly on the program and give potential prospects pause...
except for Duke and Kentucky!
...as long as the checks clear...:smiley:
good one.
I'm sure he'll look at Texas too, they need bigs and have plenty of scholarships to give
@BeddieKU23 Well I guess I'm might be in the minority, BUT I wouldn't mind having him if we could get him to come. - - People talk about his attitude and such BUT I think a lot of that was because he got caught up in that Duke machine - -just TOO many decent players which limited his playing time and then he had the injury which put him back, I really feel that he still is a very good player, just didn't have to opportunity to progress, because of numbers at Duke. - -I think he would get quality playing time here and also feel he could for sure help the program - -I think he quite honestly has been given a bum rapp on his attitude at Duke - - I'm sure he just got frustrated cause of lack of playing time & injury and everything else in the equation of things - -Just made a very poor decision to commit to Duke. -- pretty good player - -just wrong place & timing - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Per MS looks like Thomas Allen has a decent shot of ending up a Jayhawk and Providence is very likely to get Makai A-L.
@truehawk93 However, going from AZ to KU, it worked out fine for Jeff Withey.
Very good three point shooter, probably the best available pure shooter. The rest of his game needs work, not an elite athlete (if he was considering his shooting ability he'd be a top 50 prospect). Fairly similar to Graham in that regard really. Should be a really nice 4 year player to have around.
Of course, KU has a fantastic relationship with Brewster (TRob, Tharpe, Graham) so I would think if KU really wants him it will happen (waiting on Duval first)..
NCST who recently switched coaches.
Nah. More of a 1/2 that can handle the ball whereas Greene was a 3/4.
M b going to remain at Duke
@blackmild33 think he'll get any more time?
2nd video was his JR year so he would have been 16-17.
About him as a player? Mentioned it earlier. I think he would be a good take.
The Phog is not taking this offer well. :laughing:
I stand by my earlier prediction that Graham and Svi stay while Bragg leaves. If that all happens and Bragg is replaced that's still two open scholarships, and Self likes to fill them even though it ended up not happening for this year. Hell he took EVAN MAXWELL which was just mind blowing.
He's tiny.
Same size now as Devonte who obviously isn't huge but also isn't a midget. I can't find any recent highlights, just stuff from before his SR year from the most part when he was a little bit shorter and thinner.
This isn't a kid that will get much time next year though. It's more to fill out the end of the roster and have a kid develop while planning to have him contribute in year 2 and beyond and I would imagine the staff is being upfront and honest with him about this. Also potentially a bit of insurance for the 18 class but without a doubt is a kid the staff will recruit over if they can, but if he develops well and produces that's fine too.
Real good chance at Juiston no doubt.
I'm sure. I see absolutely no downside to taking a kid like Allen to fill out the roster.
Ran across a Scouting report on Allen,, off the Kentucky board. as he is one of three guards that they are still recruiting this year now, - -Not sure who the report came from but looks like from Gerry Meyer:
It says - - -Shooter, Can Score , Not overwhelming athlete at all, Not a guy with physical presence, BUT is very skilled, especially in terms of very good shooter.
Listed at 6'2 - -180 lbs. - - - Listed Schools of interest: KU - - Michigan - - Tennessee - -Providence - -Auburn- - Butler- - Nebraska- - Xavier- -Kentucky. - - - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@BeddieKU23 said:
Interesting. Very good shooter. KU could have 7 guards next year..
The goal is probably 7 guards 6 posts. Of course that's hard to do these days when players want to play. People seem to think this Allen offer means Graham is leaving. I don't.
@jayballer54 said:
Ran across a Scouting report on Allen,, off the Kentucky board. as he is one of three guards that they are still recruiting this year now, - -Not sure who the report came from but looks like from Gerry Meyer:
It says - - -Shooter, Can Score , Not overwhelming athlete at all, Not a guy with physical presence, BUT is very skilled, especially in terms of very good shooter.
Listed at 6'2 - -180 lbs. - - - Listed Schools of interest: KU - - Michigan - - Tennessee - -Providence - -Auburn- - Butler- - Nebraska- - Xavier- -Kentucky. - - - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
So what I said? :wink:
I wouldn't worry much about UK here fwiw.
FYI, NC St people think Allen to Kansas has been a done deal for weeks. Someone that know's the Allen Family to further clarify
I was just popping in to relay this here. Seems like it's pretty much a done deal.
Is Allen really a good option? He is ranked #149, 3 star by Rivals and the Schools he visited in addition to NC State were St Louis and Nebraska. He seems more of a mid major recruit to me but I really don't know much about him.
Kansas
Kentucky
Michigan
Texas
Xavier
Butler
Auburn
Providence
Tennessee
Ohio State
If you suck, then you probably don't have this many solid programs coming after you once you re-open your recruitment.
Also he shot 48% from 3 this year on a pretty high volume. Obviously it's a big step up to D1 ball but that's nothing to sneeze at. Looks like a solid program player if he toughs it out.
Im never thrilled with 3 star guys either.
For every Mason and Graham we've had a Royce Woolridge and Rio Adams.
Also worth mentioning that recruiting services get pretty damn lazy when a kid is committed to a school like NCST. Considering that all his highlights are from last summer at the latest it's possible he needs to be re-evaluated by most of the services. Not saying he is top 50, but he is probably a lower end 4*.
There is a big difference in recruiting after the season is over and most of the quality players are spoken for. At this time, all programs are scrambling to fill available schoolies and any available player becomes a lot more valuable and a hot commodity. Remember that KU picked up Evan Maxwell from Liberty University a couple of years ago and he was in demand because there were not many players left?
This is the list of schools on the ESPN site as of April 4...
...and this is the one on Rivals...
As you can see, neither is really an impressive list. Just sayin'...
@JayHawkFanToo Thomas Allen is ranked 81 on ESPN. Low end 4 star. A solid pickup if he can shoot as well as he did in HS and run some PG. Would be a great combo with a guy like Jacobs. And HCBS obviously likes running two points if he can.
@JayHawkFanToo In some of the videos I've seen he looks like he is oozing with potential.
He's a take if we are filling out the roster which is hopefully what this is potentially.
Excellent shooter, that is his calling card. Most highlights you will see him filling it up from the perimeter. He might be a 3 star on paper but Allen has always had a rep as one of the best shooters in his class.
Being from the Northeast and knowing some people that have gone to Brewster I asked about him. They both said he could play at Kansas but it will depend on how much he develops his body and point guard skills. As @BShark said he shot 48% from 3 on a large volume of shots. My one friend said he's the best shooter to come out of Brewster in memory. He also said he has a good mid-range game and grew a couple inches this year alone. They both said he's ranked about where he should be but that in the right system would be a solid player by Jr year if developed right. My other buddy said think Tyrel Reed for KU comparison.
Our track record with Brewster kids is pretty darn good. He was part of an undefeated squad this season. Brewster has a great coach and he makes them play both ends.
Wasn't asked to play point guard much because they had Makai Ashton-Langford a top 30 prospect that just de-committed from UCONN.
If you look at our roster and assume all our guards return we have the potential to lose up to 4 of them after next season. Graham & Svi to graduation, Vick & Newman will most likely be testing the draft process. I'm not saying all 4 are gone but Vick/Newman will have plenty of chances to show they are NBA ready next season. Having another guard developing with Garrett & Cunliffe seems like a great thing to be planning for.
We'll see if he ends up here.
@JayHawkFanToo I'm just afraid that Garret may have literally grown out of that spot. Being 6'7 and spending two years with Hudy will probably make him more of a 2 or 3.
And, worse case scenario, we are adding a phenomenal practice body (compared to some of the walk-ons we've had lately) and a sharpshooter for some offensive spark on occasion. Well worth a 12th or 13th scholarship.
Who are we in on in the 2018 class? I don't expect us to get Bagley, Langford or Zion. Only names I've heard are Grimes and Dotson. Haven't heard good things about post players and we need some of those.
You can count on ESPN and Rivals being dead wrong frequently. And yes you are accessing the site now, but they are extremely lazy and slow to update. They made sure to get Kansas in there because it's all over and he is probably ending up here. The list I cited comes from a guy involved in the North Carolina recruiting scene (where Allen is from).
Evan Maxwell was not in demand. Why Self took him is a mystery, and unsurprisingly both parties quickly moved on. This is absolutely not the guard equivalent of Evan Maxwell who was LOOKING TO TRANSFER TO DIVISION 2 BEFORE KU CAME ALONG.
@Kcmatt7 said:
@JayHawkFanToo Thomas Allen is ranked 81 on ESPN. Low end 4 star. A solid pickup if he can shoot as well as he did in HS and run some PG. Would be a great combo with a guy like Jacobs. And HCBS obviously likes running two points if he can.
Yep it's not complicated we need another smaller ball handling guard that can get the ball up against pressure in case of injury/emergency. We were an injury away from TBONE this year, I'm sure that's been in the back of the mind of the coaching staff.
Yeah Garrett is not a PG. Per Bham/MS the staff views him as a 2/3 with very good handling and passing ability for that position. But NOT a PG.
@Kcmatt7 said:
Who are we in on in the 2018 class? I don't expect us to get Bagley, Langford or Zion. Only names I've heard are Grimes and Dotson. Haven't heard good things about post players and we need some of those.
Grimes and Dotson are the names right now. Seriously. We will find out more on post targets later. I fully expect Gordon to decommit from SLU and for KU to quickly get back involved there, but that has to actually happen before we will hear anything about it.
Not sure the staff has really dived into 2018 outside of the guys you mentioned.
Some bigs to keep an eye on that have mentioned KU before:
Emmitt Williams #22, Sim Shittu, #7, Silvio De Sousa #12. David McCormack #43
Self will likely follow Bagley & Zion as long as they both consider KU. They are game changers.
Worst case scenario Allen is the 5th guard this year behind Newman, Vick, Garrett and Cunliffe. And in that scenario he would get spot minutes. I think it's much more likely he is the 7th guard however.
Oh and that best shooter in recent memory comment is promising considering Graham was at Brewster and is a damn fine shooter!
Bagley would be the best player KU has had since Danny and/or Paul imo. I'd pee myself if he picks KU.
I asked him the same question. He said at times Allen was automatic this season for Brewster and was a key part of why they went undefeated. Said you just can't leave him open at all.
My friend lives in the area of Brewster and likes to attend the games because they field a D-1 starting 5 almost every year. He sat in the area of NC St coaches and would hear they were really high on him as a future combo guard
I can't fathom Bagley, Zion and Barrett being on the same college team.
I am not trying to be a contrarian and as I indicated really don't know much about him but I take it that he is projected to be a solid 4 year player but not necessarily an immediate contributor?
This is what I read about Garret:
"The 6-7 senior guard nearly averaged a triple-double for the season, finishing at 17.3 points, 10.4 rebounds and 9.1 assists per game while leading Skyline to the Class 6A state semifinals. He recorded 12 triple-doubles and 32 double-doubles in 36 games as Skyline (34-2) reached the state tournament for the first time in school history."
These are Russel Westbrooke like numbers. :smile: A player that can dish out that many assists has the potential to be at least a serviceable PG, don't you think? I am not saying that he would be the primary PG but he could be a very good option as the backup PG.
I really like Garrett and his future at KU but I doubt he plays PG for KU.
@JayHawkFanToo New position in the offing: PC
(Point Combo)
@BigBad Maybe -- Maybe not - - I think I'll keep my trust in Coach Self and gang. they seem to know what their doing. - -Good 3-4 year player wouldn't hurt. - - -we picked up two predictions off that WONDERFUL CB lol. - - we shall see. I hope he can contribute some and that we are just not taking bodies for this year to fill roster. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Just got to chuckle. - - Iowa State fans about ready to wet themselves, They are SO AFRAID that Juiston is KU's to lose- they want him REALLY BAD. - - They are in panic mode because of all the re-tweets that Shakur is putting out from KU hoops lol. - -Sorry I just have to chuckle. , Talking about how they can't compete with HOF coach and such - - and then another has to add - Oh we can't compete with Sweet Sixteens and early exits lmao - -Comical - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Marcus Evans visiting KU
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Wonder if some coaches are still trying to pry away Markese, but he seems committed
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Twitter, cyfan, real life? They should be nervous though, I'm thinking Juiston ends up at KU.
If Evans and Allen commit, someone is leaving early. Can't see having 8 guards (Graham, Svi, Vick, Garrett, Cunliffe, Newman, Evans, Allen) on the roster even if one is sitting out due to transfer rules.
@BShark Me too I'm starting to believe that he will too. I think Juiston would be a pretty good commit for us, - -I've seen several hi-lights of him and to me looks pretty athletic - jumps well just looks like an athlete seems like he runs the floor well. - - - -Would be quality to have him and Allen, Which it's looking more and more like Allen is coming and then to Juiston , quality recruits. A solid recruiting year - -not a Great recruiting year if those two commit then I think we would still have one right? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I'm thinking it means Graham is gone if the staff takes two more guards. Evans isn't for next year though, he has to sit a year. And after next season even if Graham and Svi are back this year, we could be looking at just Garrett and Cunliffe being back as Newman will undoubtedly test the waters and Vick probably will too if he has the year I think he will.
As for Juiston, he is the kind of player Self loves. Firmly believe that he is a take and if he chooses to go elsewhere it's not because KU backed off barring something INSANE like Bagley reclassing and picking KU...
I believe it will all work out
I think the Evans move is more for Newman/Vick not being around after next season. I'm sure the staff feels both could be in the NBA if they have good years. It may also be very beneficial to have an experienced guard to go with whatever 2018 kids we potentially get.
Evans would be a fantastic sit out transfer. Kid can score.
Yeah I know it's been awhile, but I seem to recall the last attack mode guard (Evans shoots about 7 fts a game) that was from Virginia and played for KU was pretty good...
@BShark I think at this point it is a "take what you can get" move. If we don't see much that can help us this year, it is time to start thinking about the next year. No sense in letting a guy who can really play go just because it means we have 8 guards. Especially with the shift in basketball away from size. Maybe Bill is just buying into the 4 guard lineup because it is easier to land guards than post players. At least that is what it has felt like lately....
I'm liking Evans the more I watch. Really quick, gets in the lane at will.
Ah yeah he just edited that in. I agree he probably ends up at VCU. He is a good player but all things being equal I would prefer a HS player, since they could transfer w/o penalty if things don't work out or if need be due to KU hopefully getting Dotson + Grimes in 18 and being well positioned in 19 as well with Jacobs already on board.
Either way I don't really have a problem with what the staff decides on this one.
Graham + Harris + Dotson + Allen. KU = North Carolina midwest. :heart_eyes:
@BeddieKU23 said:
Evans could definitely play at KU but I also feel the same about Harris. I think all of this confirms that Duval has told the staff no-no
Seems like a definite take-away from all this action.
That said, I think Harris wants to go somewhere where he can play next year. If Graham returns KU is not that place. Allen seems like the kind of kid that would be okay with a developmental year, but I could be wrong about that. I think Dotson and Grimes are definite takes next year if they would choose KU.
@brooksmd Classic hi-lo needs face-up midrange capable bigs, who are also athletic. This is where Bragg's ineptness totally F'd up the scheme, as did Doke's freak ligament tear. I pity Bragg: how many ways does he have to try to convince us "I'm not Perry Ellis, waa, waa". Ok, Carlton, but then please explain how you ended up in the McDAA Game? Preston may take his spot, although he cant shoot either. Yes, it was painfully TIME for Lucas to go...but the hi-lo is in shambles, and will take time and recruiting actual skill to fix. Bragg xsfers, as Lightfoot alrdy had a better nose for ball, just needed to get stronger. He could be a Wiscy type player for us.
Our best hope next season in the post is that we actually have some medium-skilled size DEPTH. We'll use them very much like Izzo bigs, as thats what they are. Bruisers, rebounders. They'll have to prove they're better than that. Lucas was barely serviceable, plateaued Feb.2016.
The Lawson brothers are transferring from Memphis. Dedric is reaaaaaaaaallllllllllllllllllllllllly good.
I don't think so. They are from Memphis and Memphis hired their dad. Not sure if KU takes a look here but Dedric is really good and they have a little brother that will be a 5* in 2019.
Tilmon request his release from Illinois.
I bet Duke and U.K. Get involved
He would be a great backup center to have though... he would get PT here
Wow some stuff is goin down today..
The Tilmon release would seem to me that Missouri is involved
Is there enough room? Maybe they could make up a position lol.
@BeddieKU23 said:
Wow some stuff is goin down today..
The party usually gets started after the FF.
@BeddieKU23 said:
The Tilmon release would seem to me that Missouri is involved
Seems very likely.
@BeddieKU23 said:
Just crippled the Memphis program.. Dedric almost left for the NBA after this season. They are very talented.
Yeah I don't understand why he would transfer instead of entering the draft.
KU has reached out to the Kanter brother. Grad transfer big...
@BeddieKU23 said:
KU has reached out to the Kanter brother. Grad transfer big...
Contacting every available player apparently.
@BeddieKU23 Mizzou made the right call at the right time with Anderson if that is the case. Was Mizzou in on him at the beginning? Or is this some Cuonzo sweet talk going on?
@BeddieKU23 @BShark No brainer for both of those Memphis kids if they want to come here right?
Yeah this is Martin's doing. And there is some stuff being floated around that he was recruiting Tilmon before he got his release which would be a NCAA violation. I wouldn't be surprised if Illinois tries to block where he might go..
Apparently Martin if from the St Louis area, same as Tilmon..
@BShark Can't believe it. Such a mediocre coach, but he must have a way with words. I'm so curious as to what he sells these kids on. Its like Calipari. Just so curious as to how their pitch is always better than everyone else's.
Something tells me Cuonzo will be due for some sanctions problems soon enough. His recruiting ability is too good to be true.
@BShark Ya your right , don't know what I was thinking. I forgot about Evans having to sit a year. Well I'm just all over the place with Devonte. -- One minute I think ya he is gone - -then turn around and get a feel more that he is coming back. - -Now once again feeling he may be gone. - - So obviously I have NO CLUE , would love to see him back but ummmm, I just can't pin point one way or the other.
As far as Juiston goes - now for some reason I'm just feelin more and more that we might just land him. - -I think he would be a good pickup Time will tell. - -Recruit signing starts one week from today.
We will find out before long on Devonte and others as they have until 11:59 ET on the 23rd of April to declare.. And ya as far as Bagley, ummm ya INSANE for sure would be the word - -real INSANE, - - -BUT then again - - you tell me , how many here ACTUALLY THOUGHT being 100% and totally honest the Andrew Wiggins would land here? -Kind of totally caught ALOT of people with their pants down SOOOOO, never say never, But ya I agree - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Yeah apparently Martin has a sister that is a principal at Tilmon's HS. LOL.
Maybe it's part of why he job hops so much. By the time any trouble is made, he is two jobs away...
@BeddieKU23 said:
Father is a nutcase so that's an issue. The 3rd Lawson is supposed to be good as well. Dedric is much better then KJ. Talented kids but I don't think you take both, if you could take Dedric by himself I would sign us up today
Given that the staff didn't want to deal with Tremont's dad, it seems unlikely. Cunliffe's dad and Newman's dad more than meets the helicopter dad quota.
@Kcmatt7 He is taking a visit to Missouri this weekend. - -read the article and says Missouri is leadin in front of St Louis for him. - -Talked about Martin having good relationship in East St Louis - -wouldn't surprise me I the least if he lands there. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@BeddieKU23 Sounds like a good idea, but I don't think they will separate IF he stays in College, I think they are going to want to stay together. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
OK. Soooo, here is a question. - -Do we have any snowballs chance in hell of getting MJ Walker to come her? - -pretty dam good. - -A article talking to him sayin he is getting his officials lined up - - has takin the one to Florida St - wanting to take his 4 others. - - -Says wants to make a decision in Apr/May.
He list his schools as: UCLA , Florida St , Georgia Tech , Virginia Tech , Maryland , Ohio St , KU , & UNLV. They was asking him about Georgia Tech if that was TO close to home - -he said ya some people saying being able to get away from home was part of the college experience - -said Georgia Tech was like 20 minutes away and Florida St was like 4 hours away. - -He said the schools program the academics & playing time was going to play a big role to where he goes - -wants to start - - what a surprise But knows has to earn it. - -So ANY CHANCE at all? - -I know we have been recruiting him - -any thoughts? - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Only chance is if Svi leaves
@BeddieKU23 AND? - -Your thoughts as of today of that happening? - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
If Dedrick almost left for the NBA, what are the chances he stays at KU for two years since he will have to sit one year?
@jayballer54 said:
@BeddieKU23 AND? - -Your thoughts as of today of that happening? - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I think he stays. Walker wants immediate playing time
Walker isn't coming to KU.
@JayHawkFanToo You mean sit for one year and not play a game? Or sit for one year and play one year?
If he sits one year and plays one year and then leaves, I'm totally ok with that. Because it means he had a helluva season.
Missouri fans hangin that crootin banner.
I don't think they end up with Knox.
From what I remember Lawson wanted to be a OAD but he didn't perform well at the combine and came back to play with his brother in the end. The scouts were pretty bullish on his chances. From the games I saw Dedric looked much improved but I think he would get the same evaluation. If they really transfer i think they will stay the 2 years
People freaking out because Missouri will probably end up with a better recruiting class than KU. :laughing:
My question was that considering how close he is/was to leaving for the NBA now, what are the chances that he sits one year and plays at least one year? This would delay his departure by two full years, right? Wouldn't he be better off being the big shot at Memphis for one more year and then leaving for the NBA?
This whole situation is purely about the dad. He was promised a big position on Pastner's staff whereas Tubby gave him a small meaningless position. So he was completely sideways with Tubby and they couldn't work it out.
@JayHawkFanToo So Pastner hired their dad to land them both. And then Tubby demoted the dad. So it seems as though Tubby caused some relationship issues or something. So if Pastner was still at Memphis Dedric would probably be playing a 3rd year at Memphis instead.
Sounds kind of like Porter's situation. Using his son's to try and skip the line and all the hard work it takes to become a really good coach at that level.
Andrew Slater: "Expect Allen to Kansas."
Norm hitting the trail hard today. Stopping in to see Juiston and Allen.
Well, I grew more than somewhat exhausted while scanning the posts on this thread. My 2 cents: Bill Self declared that he really was searching for a dependable point guard; and I presume a recruit who can play immediately, not having to sit out a year. I look to see that need fulfilled.
JUCO prospect Shakur Juiston (Hutch) will visit UNLV this weekend, per a source
From another site. (phog)
I heard from a guy who is friends with a Hutch assistant coach that Iowa State and KU are still the leaders
The dorms the Hutch players live in are not that great (and oddly, Coach Eck lives there with them), so I would have to think that a Lawrence campus visit and trip to McCarthy Hall and Allen Field House would by an eye-opener.*
5 star recruit from Illinois reopens his recruiting. He backed out after Underwood was hired. He says he is still interested in the U of I but wants to explore other options. His name is Jeremiah Tilmon and he's a 4 or 5 star recruit depending on the scouting service. Not sure if he's interested in KU or vice-versa, but it's always interesting to consider.
Already a done deal to Missouri.
Bill will be there with Norm to meet with Thomas Allen. Um yeah...
Bill says he wants a quick twitch 4.....comment appears to be aimed at Juiston
So yeah the VIP rumour from 247 awhile back was that Bragg would transfer and Juiston would commit to KU. Seems fine to just openly post it now given the amount of time that has passed and since Bragg has announced his transfer.
@BeddieKU23 I've been thinking that for awhile!
Considering how many time I have paid my way to Vegas, I would not pass on a freebie trip there so I don't blame Juiston from visiting UNLV.
I know there are a number of players becoming available and there might be more in the near future; however, if KU can sign Juiston and Allen and no one else, I would be very happy.:+1:
This is the time of the year when Coach Self does what he does best...prepare to be surprised.
Playing time too. I think 2 or 3 players left UNLV from their already rebuilding project. He would play a lot for them.
Juco report is reporting Juiston favors KU & ISU
Good point. Playing time is always a big plus; however, he has a much bigger stage and exposure at KU. Superior players are not afraid of competition and the ones that are afraid usually are not NBA material.
Juiston is a unique case given the conditions that led him to JuCo. To me, JuCo play level is relatively low and not necessarily a good indicator of how the player will do in Division I play, but again, Juiston is not the typical JuCo player. His low ceiling appears to be Jamari Traylor, who Coach Self liked and played a fair amount, and his high ceiling is unknown. If Juiston can do as much as Jamari did, it would be pretty good.
So KU might actually be in it for Tilmon. Not holding my breath and this is a messy messy messy recruitment.
@JayHawkFanToo what lead him to juco?
Someone posted before that he had serious family issues? Maybe that poster can re-post the information since he is now a distinct probability for KU.
@JayHawkFanToo he walked by his brothers dead body after he was gunned down. His brother was an innocent bystander. I'm not sure what that had to do w/juiston going to juco.
Hard to focus on school with something like that happening.
I imagine that is a very trying experience that stays around for long time. I asked the exact same question before and I seem to recall there was a good explanation and I believe what you mentioned could have been part of it but I do not recall if there was more to it
Thread getting long again...maybe time for...Recruiting Master Thread Part Trois? :smiley:
@JayHawkFanToo @Crimsonorblue22
Here is an article about the whole thing. This one doesn't mention it but I think he went all the way to Kansas because his mom wanted him away from NJ. Dunno why he didn't go Div 1. Maybe needed to do certain academic work?
@mayjay Man O Man, what a family saga! If this is Self's recruit with the fast twitch muscles I hope he settles in Lawrence. Well aware that jr. cllg. stars often find it very difficult to fit in and adjust to high caliber Div. 1 play, I can't see us going wrong with this kid. April and early May have become exciting recruiting periods for players to fit and fill slots on existing scholarship listings. We are bound to see a couple of key players move to Lawrence at semester's end.
@JayHawkFanToo The degree is nice. The man is better because of his Kansas experience and that is even more important. Jamari was given an opportunity and made the most of it. I'm very proud of him and his accomplishments.
Juiston sounds like a high character kid who has/is overcome a great loss. This is the type of person I find easy to root for regardless of where they go to school. I hope to see him in Crimson and Blue!
I wish more of these HS kids would give KU a chance out of the gate. (Not aimed at Juiston) The amount of transfers and the fact that KU is having to look to the Juco ranks is mildly disturbing. I realize it's the new norm, but I wasn't overly happy when Pierce left after his Jr. year. I miss teams comprised of very talented 4 year players. Bill's system allows for more depth each year they run it.