MD just got punched in the nads. Prentiss Hubb committed to Notre Dame.
I guess it is KU tradition to miss your PG targets. Rough for Turg.
Not much new on the KU front. Looks like 247 did a player ranking update today?
Israel Barnes and Aaron Wiggins are both in the 80s.
Javonte Smart included us in his top 6. Disclaimer though if UK offers he'll end up there. Oklahoma St is involved interestingly enough along with FSU, UCLA & the local school LSU. I don't see LSU being his destination. Have we ever landed someone from Louisiana? Have to say we probably are not a serious threat
Lester Earl...he left LSU on a 3 year probation.
@BeddieKU23 Fiddled around with it too long. The day the season was over for GTown, they should have fired JT and hired Ewing.
Their last game was 3/8. Didn't hire Ewing until 4/3.
A month missed of valuable recruiting time and a confident endorsement of Ewing that speaks volumes to recruits... I don't think Waters decommitts if they hire Ewing with the confidence they should have.
They made the Thompson family seem bigger than the program. The hesitation to move on could cost them. #1 rule, the program is bigger than just one person. And, if it isn't, it isn't a great program it is just a great coach... This is a defining moment in Georgetown's program. And they stumbled out of the gates.
UK extremely likely to offer too. Not putting any thought into him coming to KU.
Hopefully we get Lester's son in the "2019 Recruiting Thread"
I took some classes at Georgetown in the early 70s and at the time, it was a high academic school, difficult to get in and the basketball program was a joke. Most students did not even know the school had a basketball program and the team played in an old Gym; the big program in the area was Maryland with Lefty Driessell.
Then along comes Big John Thompson and all these top recruits start to flock to Georgetown...I always wondered what went on behind the scenes. He was was a good coach though, although wanting to be involved with the program while having interest in gambling business in Vegas was a joke. The son was a textbook case of nepotism that never did well considering the players he got based on his father's reputation.
BeddieKU23 said:
Exactly and he's not the type Self usually likes anyway. He's very good inside the arc but doesn't shoot from the perimeter much and doesn't make it part of his game.. He went through a recent game in AAU without attempting a single jumpshot
Sounds like a great fit for Calipari. He loves guards that can't shoot.
BeddieKU23 said:
Hopefully we get Lester's son in the "2019 Recruiting Thread"
Or before that even.
I've been looking at Javonte Smart. He can shoot, but he gets to the rim with such ease that the best shots he can get are often layups for himself and teammates. He's a really good passer as well, so he can set up teammates pretty nicely. I could totally see him going several games without shooting jumpers because he just doesn't have to, although his shot is not broken like Fox's shot when he came in.
Bamba to texass
Crimsonorblue22 said:
Bamba to texass
Baffling. But this makes Texas a lot better.
2018 Draft is going to have some real potential in it as well. Shaping up to be another good one IMO.
I don't see Vick, Doke, Newman or Preston listed on Draftxpress. Draft.net has Vick 1st round and Preston, Newman Svi 2nd.. With all these guys playing major roles on next years squad I think that will chance a bit
@BShark Well I thought he would pick Duke personally.
But UK was crowded and Duke at least has minor competition for PT. Texas he will get to play as many minutes as possible and grow. Shaka has also gotten 2 guys drafted the past two years. One of them being a complete surprise in Ibeh after Ridley went down.
UT now at least a dark horse in the B12 depending on how good the freshies can all be.
Honestly, I thought we would see a Duke or UK superteam overpower their way to another championship season. But not the case... At least it appears that way. Duke without a solid post depth or a starting 5, really puts them in a bind. Still a top 5 team in my mind though.
UK missing perimeter depth will hurt. Also a lack of shooting ability. I think they are going to have some post controversy and have to play a guy like Gabriel out of position some. Bamba wouldn't have changed my opinion of them. They WILL have to play a slow paced game, much like they did with the 36-1 team, but with less talent. They don't have the same kind of depth. And certainly not a shooter like Booker.
BeddieKU23 said:
2018 Draft is going to have some real potential in it as well. Shaping up to be another good one IMO.
I don't see Vick, Doke, Newman or Preston listed on Draftxpress. Draft.net has Vick 1st round and Preston, Newman Svi 2nd.. With all these guys playing major roles on next years squad I think that will chance a bit
I think all could be gone. Newman and Preston extremely likely. I think Doke wants to as well, but his position is a dying breed in the NBA and if he doesn't get great feedback maybe he stays?
Kcmatt7 said:
@BShark Well I thought he would pick Duke personally.
But UK was crowded and Duke at least has minor competition for PT. Texas he will get to play as many minutes as possible and grow. Shaka has also gotten 2 guys drafted the past two years. One of them being a complete surprise in Ibeh after Ridley went down.
UT now at least a dark horse in the B12 depending on how good the freshies can all be.
He consistently mentioned how much he liked Shaka iirc. And yeah, it is also the path of least resistance.
Kcmatt7 said:
Honestly, I thought we would see a Duke or UK superteam overpower their way to another championship season. But not the case... At least it appears that way. Duke without a solid post depth or a starting 5, really puts them in a bind. Still a top 5 team in my mind though.
UK missing perimeter depth will hurt. Also a lack of shooting ability. I think they are going to have some post controversy and have to play a guy like Gabriel out of position some. Bamba wouldn't have changed my opinion of them. They WILL have to play a slow paced game, much like they did with the 36-1 team, but with less talent. They don't have the same kind of depth. And certainly not a shooter like Booker.
UK might have to play Baker just to have someone that can shoot. Masking him on D shouldn't be too hard with what they have at other positions.
I'm not scared of either UK or Duke this year.
Both are top 10-ish. Duke has talent but is thin and super young outside of tripper.
@Kcmatt7 He will help them for sure on the defensive end, It's my understanding that his offense is lagging behind the defensive side, kind of raw offensively - -only averaged like 12.8 in high School - -but will for sure be a rim protector and rebounding machine for them. Actually though - - Allen was a better AL AROUND player - -by far a lot better offensively, good rebounder - - - -Welcome to the Big 12 Bamba - - Welcome to THE PHOG - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
LMAO, UK board having a meltdown, it makes my day - -so many thinking he was for sure coming some of the posts were like follows:
WTF - - -to well he must not be concerned about winning - - to well at least he didn't go to Duke - - to well this really lowers my expectations for the year - - to we needed him - - to well glad he didn't come if he didn't want the spotlight --to well he isn't that good anyways - -ya, da, ya, da, ya, da. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
You just summed up how delusional that bunch is.
Bamba will probably thrive at Texas given he's got no resistance for playing time. And with Coleman running the show they can put him in positions to get offensive rebounds and lobs which he excels at. Defensively he's easily going to lead the Big-12 in blocks and be a + rebounder for his position. He is not polished offensively but he does have some moves and his wingspan is completely off the charts which will make him impossible to stop if he develops.
Bamba is good for the Big-12, easily the biggest name and has the most pro potential in the league for next years draft.
BeddieKU23 said:
Bamba is good for the Big-12, easily the biggest name and has the most pro potential in the league for next years draft.
Yeah the league badly needs more talent.
@jayballer54 You said -- "WTF - - -to well he must not be concerned about winning - - to well at least he didnât go to Duke - - to well this really lowers my expectations for the year - - to we needed him - - to well glad he didnât come if he didnât want the spotlight --to well he isnât that good anyways ..."
That is exactly what we see here sometimes. Almost verbatim.
@BeddieKU23 Ya off the charts is right. - -seems like they said what wasn't it like 7'8 or something like that - -I'm sure not that far off - - -ROCK CHALK ALL ADY LONG BABY
@HighEliteMajor Very True. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
:clap: shaka
@BeddieKU23 Udoka having a big season this year could elevate him into the lottery...we shall see
I used to think I knew recruiting. But lately, I feel after some KU misses that I don't know sh!t about recruiting. I know recruits, but just don't understand their decisions.
UK and Puke seem to get pretty much whoever they want, year in and year out. I don't get it. They simply don't miss much on many of their recruits.
It's like the Patriot...Bill needs to watch this scene and see if it works during recruiting.
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Source that is well connected to the houston high school basketball scene told me today that he wants Kentucky
In regards to Grimes.
If true just get it over kid and let KU recruit someone else. No surprise here
Another blurb on Grimes. He was matched up against fellow 5 star PG Immanuel Quickly recently at Adidas Gauntlet. Quickly, badly outplayed him. The next day Grimes rebounded with a big game.
Rumour that JRE to KU is done and "known in AAU circles".
I saw too that we are no longer a 100% get on Dotson. Been some movement for I think Florida. - - I know, I know everybody goo goo over grimes - -but I like Dotson also would be very satisfied to get him - -ya, everyone rather have Grimes - -I don't think w will get grimes. - -MaMa might want him here BUT I don't think he wants to come another fricken UK sucker boy kissin hind you know what for Kentucky. - -UK & Duke seems like they have it so much easier even over other blue bloods like us. - -They for sure get to pick and choose as soon as they show any interest seems like everyone else gets kicked to the curb. - -Makes recruiting soooooo easy for them, I'll take Dotson. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
jayballer54 said:
@BShark Hey, you say is done. - -Like good for us done or another miss done, as we are losing out with him done? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
KU lock is the word and that it is known in AAU and recruiting circles. He might take a couple other visits just to soak up the atmosphere. He also may verbal early, like before his SR year early.
jayballer54 said:
I saw too that we are no longer a 100% get on Dotson. Been some movement for I think Florida. - - I know, I know everybody goo goo over grimes - -but I like Dotson also would be very satisfied to get him - -ya, everyone rather have Grimes - -I don't think w will get grimes. - -MaMa might want him here BUT I don't think he wants to come another fricken UK sucker boy kissin hind you know what for Kentucky. - -UK & Duke seems like they have it so much easier even over other blue bloods like us. - -They for sure get to pick and choose as soon as they show any interest seems like everyone else gets kicked to the curb. - -Makes recruiting soooooo easy for them, I'll take Dotson. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Grimes does like UK. I think taking Moore made Dotson reconsider a bit. KU definitely in play for both though. As well as Jalen Carey, who I am a big fan of.
Interview with Slater, the best in the business.
All I have to say is Adidas better come through with this one or its time to bail
Grimes talking about KU and Self. Positives..
We don't need to discuss who will make the final list yet, but can you talk about the message of some of the bigger programs?
Sure. Coach Self called and said I'm a top priority and that he plays a lot of guards and sees me bringing in something different than the other guards, because of my size. He said their known now for their guards, but that I would be unique because of being able to play point guard at that size.
BeddieKU23 said:
Interview with Slater, the best in the business.
All I have to say is Adidas better come through with this one or its time to bail
Grimes talking about KU and Self. Positives..
We don't need to discuss who will make the final list yet, but can you talk about the message of some of the bigger programs?
Sure. Coach Self called and said I'm a top priority and that he plays a lot of guards and sees me bringing in something different than the other guards, because of my size. He said their known now for their guards, but that I would be unique because of being able to play point guard at that size.
Was hopping on to post this.
I will also add he plans to cut his list to 5 within a few weeks. So it looks like he should be an early period signing.
Brian Bowen ending up at Louisville. Jeez that just made them easily the Top ACC team going into next year
BeddieKU23 said:
Brian Bowen ending up at Louisville. Jeez that just made them easily the Top ACC team going into next year
What a WEIRD 5* recruitment.
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Brian Bowen ending up at Louisville. Jeez that just made them easily the Top ACC team going into next year
What a WEIRD 5* recruitment.
Imagine if we were involved with that one throughout. Strung along A LOT of teams then visits his 57th school in Louisville and decides that's where he's going on the wim.
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Brian Bowen ending up at Louisville. Jeez that just made them easily the Top ACC team going into next year
What a WEIRD 5* recruitment.
Imagine if we were involved with that one throughout. Strung along A LOT of teams then visits his 57th school in Louisville and decides that's where he's going on the wim.
Yeah pretty crazy. I know MSU and Oregon were heavily involved. Hell Creighton was being considered at one point and then out of the blue it's Louisville.
KU Class of 2017 Recruiting Class:
5âď¸Billy Preston
4âď¸Marcus Garrett
Transfers:
5âď¸Malik Newman
4âď¸Sam Cunliffe
2018 class
5âď¸Lawson, Dedric
4âď¸Lawson, K.J
4âď¸Moore, Charlie
So much for Aaron Wiggins, he's off the board to Maryland..
BeddieKU23 said:
So much for Aaron Wiggins, he's off the board to Maryland..
Pretty much expected.
Dotson said he'd like to be a fall commit. Liked his comments about KU and the relationship he's built with the coaches..
BeddieKU23 said:
Dotson said he'd like to be a fall commit. Liked his comments about KU and the relationship he's built with the coaches..
Is this on 247?
scout interview
Who has really prioritized you?
A lot of schools are doing a great job but the schools coming to mind are Kansas, Florida, Arizona, USC, Miami (Fl) is doing a good job, Wake and NC State.
Whatâs the next step for you?
Looking to cut it down pretty soon and look at my options and talk with my family and see what school is the best fit.
Will you make a decision in the fall or spring?
My goal is to make a decision by the fall time but you never know. Things can come up, things can change but thatâs my goal right now.
What do you like about Kansas?
I have already formed a relationship with all the coaches on the coaching staff, they have made me a priority, they say I can lead since day 1, and I took a visit out there and itâs great out there so it was a great visit.
I like it, I like it a lot. He's got a little bit of Frank to his game. When KU first got involved I was lukewarm, but he has really made some strides to improve. Jmo.
jayballer54 said:
@BShark Always have liked him, I know people like grimes better and I understand , it's just Devon has kind of hit me from the get go, realy like his game for me? - - I hope he lands here. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Well, he is a true point guard and can create for others. I like Grimes and hope he is a Jayhawk, but optimally he would be the second ball handling guard on the court most of the time.
Fully agree about Dotson, one of my favorite players in the class. KU has a great chance with him, Grimes & Carey. There's little chance all 3 end up at KU but I don't think we can go wrong getting any combination of the 2.
I just worry that Charlie Moore scares one of them away when these guys look at who's in their way for playing time.
Dotson is the true point guard of the 3 and I think we would get at least 3 years out of him. I see him as a day 1 starter if he comes here.
With Grimes your getting a big guard with point guard skills. He's most likely a 2 year player max, maybe even a OAD. Definite starter.
With Carey your getting scoring guard with point guard skills. Maybe his development takes a little longer, has a similar season that Devonte or Frank had as a freshman. Stunned he's ranked in the 80's still.
The staff better close on at least one of these.
BeddieKU23 said:
Fully agree about Dotson, one of my favorite players in the class. KU has a great chance with him, Grimes & Carey. There's little chance all 3 end up at KU but I don't think we can go wrong getting any combination of the 2.
I just worry that Charlie Moore scares one of them away when these guys look at who's in their way for playing time.
Dotson is the true point guard of the 3 and I think we would get at least 3 years out of him. I see him as a day 1 starter if he comes here.
With Grimes your getting a big guard with point guard skills. He's most likely a 2 year player max, maybe even a OAD. Definite starter.
With Carey your getting scoring guard with point guard skills. Maybe his development takes a little longer, has a similar season that Devonte or Frank had as a freshman. Stunned he's ranked in the 80's still.
The staff better close on at least one of these.
Yeah I don't think all three is possible due to Moore. All of them (rightfully) want to play. I'd say it's probably one or the other with Dotson and Grimes, while Carey ends up a Jayhawk too. Now is it first to commit or does Grimes have preference? Only the staff knows that answer.
And yes Carey's ranking is a joke at this point. Staff should, and probably would, take his commitment today.
I'd take any of the 3 committing today and be ecstatic about it.
There's no question there is plenty of minutes to go around with what we are losing after this season. And if I'm any of the 3 I wouldn't be scared off by Moore, he's not Newman or Graham that last years recruits mentioned as standing in their way..
I like that recruits are taking note of how KU is using its guards. Teams can no longer negatively recruit against us and the comments from these top guys has been positive.
Dotson is originally from Chicago. I wasn't aware of that before. Could be a key factor for KU in that one..
@BeddieKU23 Is there really plenty of minutes to go around at this point? We lose Graham for sure and have Moore replacimg him already. We lose Svi and Whitman for sure and have the Lawson brothers replacing them.
We know there's a chance we lose Azubuike, Newman, and Preston, but that's not a guarantee with any of them. With Garrett and Cunliffe already here abd Vick probably not becoming the featured back court guy until 2018, even if Newman leaves early, KU already has 5 guards for 2018 including all 3 starting spots unless someone flames out. There's not really any backcourt minutes available for 2018.
The front court could be another issue if Azubuike and Preston leave, but not a guarantee either does. I know there's lots of talk about 2018 guards, but I don't see any way KU lands an early commit guard in 2018 with the personnel KU has projected back for 2018. I know Vick is on some 2018 mocks, but he's going to be 4th option at best this season and may not even start this year. It's essentially the same spot Svi was in last year, but Vick doesn't have the international ties Svi does.
I'm not putting much stock in guard talk for KU's 2018 class because there's not any significant minutes available. All recruiting efforts beed to be focused on the front court vecause there's a much higher probability of 1 or bith starting spots being available in 2018.
I don't believe Newman will be coming back after this season.
We already got lucky getting him 2nd time around and I think he'll have a good enough season to get drafted in the 2nd round next year.
If he leaves there is plenty of room for PG's, heck there's a need for at least 1 ball handler even if he stayed.
The front-court is a wild-card. With the Lawson's waiting I think Preston will look to be a OAD. If he returned, well Self will figure it out.
The hope of getting an elite big man will probably rely on some of them waiting until spring. Outside of the Top 4-5 bigs in this class there isn't a ton of depth or immediate impact talent. A guy like Ian Steere is a type KU could land in the fall that has high athleticism, good size already and could develop.
Unless KU pulls Bagley, Dedric Lawson is starting. Actually, they would probably both start.
If Doke and Preston return along with Dedric being there. Fuhhhhhgedddddaboutit.
Going to need 2 PG/CG for sure. Don't think we will see much in the way of wing commits though.
@BeddieKU23 There's not starters minutes available at guard and that's why KU won't land any of the top PG's.
Moore may not be an elite PG, but he was top 60 and will have a year in the system and is from Chicago so toughness is a nonissue with him despite his size. Self has always preferred experience at PG because he doesn't run a simple system. Unless any of the elite PG's are coming here to back Moore up, KU is landing a development guy at PG to back Moore up.
Even with Newman gone, the backcourt in 2018 is going to be Moore, Vick, Cunliffe with Garrett and Lawson off the bench. That's back up minutes available so I would cross any top level PG off the list right now.
There is absolutely starter minutes for grabs next year
Under your logic we might as well just go onto 2019.
@BeddieKU23 Where in the back court are starters minutes available? Self brought Moore in specifically to replace Graham. Cunliffe, Garrett, Lawson, and Vick are all interchangeable pieces at the 2/3 spots.
There's potentially front court starters minutes available if BOTH Azubuike and Preston jump, otherwise Lawson moves into the the next to whoever stays if one jumps.
There's back up PG minutes available in 2018 for someone who may end up being the 6th back court guy in 2018 which means there may be 6-8 minutes per game available at most once conference starts.
A lot of CB's flowing in for Brandon Williams to Arizona which is good for KU on multiple fronts (Grimes, Dotson).
Edit: He's deciding this week which is why
@BeddieKU23 Ya he is announcing tonight at 6:00 off his twitter I read. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Each and every day I'm pulling for Dotson more and More lol. - He is becoming my mission to land here. - -Na either way feel real confident that one of the other Grimes or Dotson is ours for sure. - - I think Grimes or Dotson either one will give Moore all kinds of problems in practice, and chances are will end up taking over his time on the floor - -that Scenario really think Dotson might have even a better chance Big time driver to the hole, good handles - -feel his ranking going to go higher yet before all said and done. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
BeddieKU23 said:
A lot of CB's flowing in for Brandon Williams to Arizona which is good for KU on multiple fronts (Grimes, Dotson).
Edit: He's deciding this week which is why
Yep, Arizona lock but definitely good for KU if he doesn't do anything crazy and go to another Pac school or something.
Thank you Brandon Williams!!
I'm really surprised that Self and his staff don't push to have recruits on campus for this week with all the alumni here.
Just seems like the perfect opportunity to showcase what happens during the off-season for these guys. I know with AAU and the travel schedules it makes it difficult but there is no reason to believe you couldn't get some of their local targets especially in 2019 to be roaming around for these camps and games.
Seems like a missed golden opportunity
@BeddieKU23 I'm just not sure that Bill could make the time he needs to for the recruits. He is crazy busy right now. And, camps are all day until like 10 pm. Just no time for recruits.
@BeddieKU23 You know I think your right. - -That's a pretty cool idea, would be really good timing. - -Why couldn't Coach plan on something like they have on the football camp day where they have recruits in? - - That's a real good idea - -why didn't I think of that lol. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@Kcmatt7 I AM NOT SO SURE IF HE IS that BUSY where he couldn't spend SOME time with them -if not him then the assistants maybe. - -I know for the scrimmage last night he divided the teams and then said HIS current team BETTER WIN - - then he left per NCAA rules it was stated. So since he left why couldn't he take some time then to show the recruit/recruits around, talk to them some - -then turn them over so they could watch the scrimmage? - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Others, as always, can speak with more knowledge, but perhaps coming to basketball camps could constitute an official visit, and maybe those visits cannot occur in certain circumstances? Possibly, also, coming to a camp they would be getting coached by the staff, which I think canot be done. Don't they only engage in pickup games when on a visit?
These are reasons why we always think it is unfair when Cal and Coach K get to coach those USA Basketball players--it is an exposure to a coach and his methods players cannot get during recruiting alone.
@jayballer54 Wouldn't you rather be the main focus if you are a recruit?
@mayjay Ya, you might be right by those might be classified as an official visit. Although what I was really trying to say is if these recruits could possibly come in to watch like the game was played last night. Have future recruits watching like current Jayhawks play against Alumi - -don't really think KU staff was coaching I think it was in reality a glorified pick up game - -no Coaching staff present. I know Coach Self couldn't be there to watch the game/coach at all last night because of NCAA reg. So was thinking as I know there are recruits that come for un-offical before they make their official some times. - So I was thinking as like last night before the scrimmage started - -Coach could spend time talking to the recruit, I know there is a dead period I believe where the Coach can not have direct contact with recruits, not sure if this would fall in that frame or not, but if it didn't have him talk before the scrimmage, and then let them watch the scrimmage - -talk to current players - I dunno - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@Kcmatt7 You would be a main focus, as a recruit during that time. - -Coach Self have his time to talk to you during that time, show you the facilities, discuss his plan for you as a player if you commit , Then come time for the scrimmage he turn them loose to watch the scrimmage pretty much as they have recruits watch late night - you still have your time with Coach. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@jayballer54 I just don't think he has the time during camp season. He takes camp seriously because this is a huge money-maker for him. This is also how they "legally" pay the players. So he stacks these camp weeks. We are talking close to $1M just from camps.
Also, getting a recruit on campus when nobody else is on campus always bothers me. Bring recruits in to see the pretty ladies walking on campus and for people to recognize you. Make them feel like a celebrity.
But that is my recruiting thoughts. We may just disagree.
Jaime Lewis off the board to NC St
BeddieKU23 said:
Jaime Lewis off the board to NC St
A lot of early commits for this class. Not sure how involved KU was here after the visit. Felt like a back-up plan.
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Jaime Lewis off the board to NC St
A lot of early commits for this class. Not sure how involved KU was here after the visit. Felt like a back-up plan.
Yeah, agreed.
praying KU can land anything early. I know, that sounds really funny with how things have gone over the last few years
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Jaime Lewis off the board to NC St
A lot of early commits for this class. Not sure how involved KU was here after the visit. Felt like a back-up plan.
Yeah, agreed.
praying KU can land anything early. I know, that sounds really funny with how things have gone over the last few years
Well last year KU did target some kids that decided early pretty hard, just missed on a lot. Looks like Grimes and Dotson could be early decisions, hoping for the best there.
@BeddieKU23 When we only sign late, it does get frustrating. It feels like we aren't getting our #1,2 or even 3 option. Like we are just scrambling to fill a roster.
Just once, I'd like to see Bill have a stacked recruiting season early.
@Texas-Hawk-10 I've learned to not expect anything other than late signees from Bill. Doesn't make it less frustrating.
Kcmatt7 said:
@BeddieKU23 When we only sign late, it does get frustrating. It feels like we aren't getting our #1,2 or even 3 option. Like we are just scrambling to fill a roster.
Just once, I'd like to see Bill have a stacked recruiting season early.
I'm optimistic we'll sign at least one of our top targets in the fall. Grimes, Dotson & Carey all seem to be on course to decide before or in November. Carey could be one that pops early as he's supposed to visit KU this summer.
It will be frustrating if we are waiting to fill out the roster again in April/May but I think every program is in that same boat today. It does look like we might have to wait until spring to sign a top big man (if there are any available at that point).
Hopefully my optimism isn't for nothing
KU's biggest need "BIGS". We are pretty much all set for 2018 in the guard department.
Statmachine said:
KU's biggest need "BIGS". We are pretty much all set for 2018 in the guard department.
Eh, losing three guards minimum if you count Svi as a guard. I agree though, bigs are needed. Problem is KU isn't well positioned for any of the 2018 top post players. Wonder if any of the 19 targets are reclassification possibilities.
We will not really know until next year. If Udoka and Preston leave along with Whitman then there will be lots of playing time available; if they decide to stay...not so much.
I am sure the available bigs will wait until next year to see how much PT is available before making a commitment. All the potential OAD players will want plenty of PT since they want to showcase their talent in the one year they play.
Hard to see a top big signing in the fall at KU without the staff convincing those guys that Doke won't be here next year. Lawson already has the 4 spot locked down so regardless of whether Preston returns we already have 2 PF's set to be back after this season. We could see the staff land an under the radar big or someone that will develop over time in the fall. There is going to be anywhere from 3-7 spots open after this season.
@BeddieKU23 Someone like Steere possibly, he is not a huge quality guy - -goog but probably a 3-4 yr player might land him . - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@BeddieKU23 0 centers if Doke goes, I know it's a dying position but still. And yeah that's a lot of variance with 3-7 slots. My guess on the flex slots: Doke, Preston, Vick and Newman. I'd lean towards Newman being gone for sure though.
@jayballer54 Yeah Steere would be a great depth and develop addition.
In 2018 we will have K.J. Lawson (which one of the reporters this week said was the biggest surprise out of the camp). Charlie Moore who we all know has been selected to try out for the U19 team. Marcus Garrett who turned out to be the HS Texas player of the year (which surprised everyone here in TX). Sam Cunliffe which put up 10ppg at ASU which I would have to say is solid freshman production. Lagerald Vick is a BIG question mark BUT I think he will be back (not everyone is going pro unless we win it all).
Garrett played PG in HS and will be an excellent secondary ball handler with Moore running the point. Cunliffe or K.J Lawson at the 3. You could go small and play K.J at the 4 and Dedric at the 5 if we don't sign another solid BIG? Maybe we will get lucky and get another year out of Udoka or Preston? I think our biggest need will be bigs though.
@Statmachine you just listed a lot of wings except for Moore. Need GUARDS. Edit: Also I'm not sold on KJ Lawson or Cunliffe being any good. We will see...
If we are trotting out Moore, Garrett, Lawson, Cunliffe, Vick then ball handling would be a major issue and Moore would need to play as many minutes as possible. Adding a couple more guards if possible greatly relieves that pressure. Nudge Vick into the draft and get 2/3 Dotson, Grimes, Carey. Sounds perfect to me but closing the deal is another story.
Edit again: Recent comments from recruiting articles indicate that KU wants a 2 PG type look if possible and that Grimes is absolute top priority.
I think the staff sees Garrett as a wing.
@Texas-Hawk-10 I just think he would be the most likely candidate. I also think he is the best player out of all those wings so I see your point. He might just go pro anyway.
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He averaged almost a triple double with 17pts 10assists and 8boards. He will be a secondary ball handler/second pg. I have watched him play and he is def a tall PG.
Statmachine said:
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He averaged almost a triple double with 17pts 10assists and 8boards. He will be a secondary ball handler/second pg. I have watched him play and he is def a tall PG.
I know plenty about Garrett. Lots of kids think they are a PG. Not sure he translates to playing the position at the high D1 level. Fortunately he will have time to develop w/o being thrown into the fire.
I've been wrong before and I'll be wrong again though. I was very wrong about Bragg for example.
Also to note I am excited about Garrett as a player/prospect and think he will be vg in years 2+ (hopefully +) I just don't think he ever mans the point for KU. The season after next would likely be his only chance to anyway, with Jacobs and likely more coming in 19-20.
Vick is a high level athlete. If he shows an improved game he'll have his chance to get to the combine. The NBA will be closely monitoring Vick's progression.
@BShark in what few videos I saw of Garrett it doesn't seem like he will ever have the handles to be our PG. I dont think Self wants to go back to less than air tight ball handling. Having Frank at point after Tyshawn, EJ, Naadir... I am thinking never again. But never say never with Bill I guess. He will play the hand he's got if it gives him an advantage somewhere.
mayjay said:
@BShark How do players win conference rookie of the year awards like KJ did if they aren't any good?
Bad league. Also who was his competition for the award? That really is a serious question too, I have no idea about other FR in the AAC last season.
Watch some Memphis games (or don't because they were pretty bad, although Dedric is damn good), look at his numbers. It all adds up to not very good, for now, but players improve.
Who knows, better talent around him, a year to hone his skills and maybe he gets more minutes than I'm thinking he will. He might end up being high major D1 good, he might not be, I just said I'm not sold on it based on what I've seen. Contrast with Newman and Moore who I think will be very good.
@BShark whoaaaa, I'm afraid I would have to disagree -I sincerely would hope your wasn't even trying to say even at this point that he not very good . - -THAT would be a very bad mistake.
The kid is LEGIT - without his year to tone, no matter what the league. If you wanna base his talent level off the competition he is playing against, then I guess you would almost have to say the same thing against every OAD coming into College - -these superstars, How much do you grade their talents depending on the competition they play against in high school - -AAU. - I don't think that train of thought holds much value.
About the only thing I can tell you is when it's his time to ball - - just sit back and enjoy, your going to be in for some real time game. I've seen him play many many times - he has all the talent needed to be a stud at ANY level. KU got a real gift when he chose to come here.
As far as awards, he is graded by media and coaches just like anywhere else, It is highly reguarded all around the sports nation that KU indeed got probably the biggest haul of the year when the Lawson's committed to come to KU. - This is not just local bias - this is Nation wide experts. - -So ya to say that maybe he is over rated or not as good - - umm maybe I mis-understood but looked like that what you might be trying to say - -but I know your not serious - -the kid is for real. - -you can mark it down he is a walking double double no matter he plays - -very legit. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I will have to disagree with you. The AAC is not a bad Conference and it has been consistently ranked as the 7th best behind the power 5 and the Basketball only Big East. It has several quality programs including Temple, UConn, SMU, Cincinnati, Memphis and now Wichita State. UConn has the most of titles, 2, in the last 10 years tied with Duke and UNC and if you go back 20 years, it has the most titles if any program with 4. All the teams I mentioned above have been ranked in the to 20 in the last few years.
In my opinion, the Newcomer of the Year in the American should be a solid contributor in any of the major conferences; Dedric won the same award the previous year and we all think he will be great at KU. His numbers are better and his upside greater than that of Whitman, who most of us think will be a solid contributor the upcoming season. I have great hopes for K.J.
40% shooter. 32% trey ball. Also look at his usage and ortg. All very scary. Or more importantly just watch Memphis games.
Also I don't think it's fair to compare him to Whitman as they are completely different players based on position. Or other previous AAC roty winners Daniel Hamilton or Austin Nichols for that matter...
Anyway, positions have been noted. We will revisit this next season.
Definitely his shooting numbers weren't very good.
The big but I have with assessing KJ right now is just how bad Memphis was without him and his brother. Coaching didn't win them games this season. They didn't have a single player outside the Lawson's that were even as good as Lightfoot. I think surrounding himself with guys better then him will do wonder for his game.
The one strength of KJ is he's a plus rebounder and defender. He can make the open 3 as well. I think he'll definitely be a nice rotation piece next year.
But your right we can revisit this next year. Hopefully Self will have some nice things to say about the 3 sit-outs over the course of the season which will shed more light on them
KJ won AAC ROY? He only played 10 games as a freshman, wasn't it Dedric and his 16 and 9 that won ROY in '15-16?
Dedric is the prize here, KJ is a decent player, but not a star. KJ will be fighting Marcus Garrett for minutes in 2018-19 and trying to avoid being the odd man out in the rotation unless KJ moves to the 4 and becomes a stretch 4 for KU.
Best case scenario for KJ is 3rd option behind Vick and his brother.
That's totally fair. That Memphis team was terrible so Dedric and KJ both had to take a ton of shots. KJ had some 20+ shot games including one where he went 5-23. I can't imagine he will have a 20 shot game for KU ever. Being on a more talented roster is definitely a caveat I included in my first post talking about this. The hope is that he can be a much more efficient player with more talent around him. It was really remarkable that Dedric was quite efficient and with what I've seen of Dedric the sky is the limit for him at KU.
Agree about what I've seen of his defense. Outside of Josh he probably would have been the best defensive wing on KU last year and we know Self values defense.
Self's comments and buzz around the program will be key. The buzz was amazingly positive for Malik, like I mentioned before I don't remember that much hype about a player sitting out since BMac.
@Texas-Hawk-10 Dedrick won his freshman year, KJ the next. He had a medical redshirt after the 10 game year, and had not played in any conference games at all (I believe) (edit: 1 conf game--credit @BShark).
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Where are you getting that? CBB reference has him having played 32 games last year. 1 conference game in his injured year and all 18 conference games last year.
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ESPN has the same stats.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/gamelog/_/id/3907786/kj-lawson â
Yeah I like 247 for some things, but they can be a bit silly with all the various profiles for a player. CBB reference is my go to for stats.
Agree on all points. The Lawson's definitely had targets on them every game to produce. KJ was always trying to be the other producer to his brother. I thought in the games I saw of Memphis that he pressed too much to make that happen. No question he'll need to spend this year off honing his craft and his shooting.
I love the rebounding/defensive ability and his toughness, he might be one of those high level glue guys that teams always seem to need. It's hard to imagine him coming here and not being a good player but definitely the jury is still out
If he is okay with being a Travis Releford type, then my stance changes drastically.
In defense of KJ, 33% from 3 his first full year is not too shabby. He ended up at .328 from 3, which is strangely the exact percent Wayne hit from 3 his first full year. 33% from 3 = 50% from 2. He averaged 8 rebounds a game- JJ was at 7.4. If I'm not mistaken, Perry never averaged 8 boards a game. He won't have to carry the offense, so shot selection should improve, and number of shots will decrease. Plus, it's not like Tubby is known for offense, so he will be going into a much better offensive system. KJ IS known for defense. If he plays great defense, he will be a great asset to the team.
Here's an article suggesting our team defense ( and 5 from 25 from 3) cost us the Final Four, so I'm all in on guys that play defense:
http://www.isportsweb.com/2017/05/26/kansas-basketball-svi-mykhailiuk-return/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+isportsweb+%28isportsweb%29 â â
Um I thought I posted this before but it must not have went through. KU made the cut for Naz Reid. St Johns did not. Seton Hall still on his list. Feels like Kentucky IF they offer.
from Naz Reid post...
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It's really something how many final lists KU makes of kids that are never coming to KU.
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Coming to KU for a visit Thursday. He's really good. Mac Irvin Fire connection (Cliff, Charlie Moore, Markese Jacobs) so I would figure KU will have a chance in his recruitment. Also Sherron has been a great recruiting weapon for Self. I wonder if he would have any interest in joining in some kind of staff role.
KU made the cut of a player I wasn't aware was even being recruited*. Amazing how these things work.
*Montez Mathis, who doesn't have a KU offer.
And yeah Sherron could replace Jerrance. I wouldn't mind that.
@BShark You know, that has been my thought exactly on a lot of different occasions - -just like you state. We are or make the so called cuts on a lot of these guys, but yet we all seem to pretty well know that in the end we are not going to be their destination.
It's kind of odd, I have tried referring these thoughts before and we have talked. It is just the random thoughts and like I've said and I know in reality just seems we are not closing. I know that's not all of it - -but maybe to an extent - -just teases -like you say a lot of times they have no intentions of visiting or coming here lmao. - but ya I hear ya bud - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Terrence Hargrove JR visiting as well. Currently unranked 2019 wing but that will likely change. He is a bit raw but super athletic. Aka Bill Self kryptonite.
@jayballer54 Kids put schools like Kansas, UNC, UK, Duke, Louisville and other top programs to boost their own appeal to lesser programs and gain more offers from other P5 programs and top mid majors that rely on the sub 50 and sub 100 players to build their programs.
I read articles on a couple of players see if anyone else has heard of these guys. - -
1st one is Eric Yala - - Although I guess in a way he wouldn't fir for us, - -well not this year cause he is talking about maybe re classifying he is like a 2017/18 player.
He is a 6'4 swing guard - -list schools Arizona, Oregon , Miami , Syracuse , /Indiana , /LSU , U Conn , And KU. Says he has like over 25 offers and probably will cut list by the end of July.
Would this be someone we might be interested for 2018? Comes out of Putman Science Academy in Conn.
The other player sounds really sweet - Probably Big time, doesn't list us right now but early his name is Kofi Cockburn - -6'11 from Kenya.
He is a 2019 player, article talks about how he destroyed 5 star Bol , Bol in their encounter a double double guy - -Moses Brown was saying that he was bigger Brown that is ) - -but Brown said Cockburn was definitely was more physical.
Here is something about him though found kind of interesting. - He states he is looking where he can go where no drinking - - no partying - - no smoking environment - -so he can focus on basket ball and the NBA. - -My initial thought was - -ya good luck finding a place like that. - -Is THIS someone you think we might try and get involved on? -Holler guys. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@Texas-Hawk-10 Ya, so in some, not saying all then, do you think it's more of a case of the player recruiting the school - -or the school recruiting the player or maybe a little bit of both? - -I guess what I'm asking is so like would there be case with some of these where like KU might really might not even be recruiting the kid, but he lists us anyways? - -see what I'm trying to say? - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@jayballer54 A lot of those kids are the fall back options for the KU's, UNC's and so on when they miss on top targets. The ones that are patient enough to wait until spring have a better chance of landing at a blue blood that's missed out on their top targets.
@jayballer54 soubds like he's going to byu. đ
It seems to me that recruits add Duke, UK, KU to their lists to get a recruiting bump. If they can convince the ranking systems that Bill is recruiting them they move up.
Also it looks better when I.e. KU signs a football player that was "recruited" by Texas or OU. All the sudden that guys a stud. Real studs incoming next season though. Watch out for KU football it's on an uptick. 2 years away from success.
@dylans Ya I understand where your coming from for sure on this. Sounds about right. - -I'm really liking our football chances what was that song use to go - - -MOVIN ON UP - - -TO THE EAST SIDE - -LOL - -what was that show? - -The Jeffersons? - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
For whoever was wondering if Self should use the alumni game for visits... Well is is certainly using these scrimmages. Multiple visitors yesterday and of course Adam Miller will be in today.
BShark said:
For whoever was wondering if Self should use the alumni game for visits... Well is is certainly using these scrimmages. Multiple visitors yesterday and of course Adam Miller will be in today.
Yeah I'm surprised there are no 2018 recruits here. Dotson just went to Maryland and now Jerry CB'd him there. Not worried about his switch but maybe it would have been a good idea to push unofficials during this time when there is a lot of activity going on for the recruits to see. It's a missed opportunity for this class when kids can pop any day during the summer.
Yeah a bit odd that it's 19/20 kids only.
I'm not one to trust Meyer's word much but yeah he switched Dotson to MD and Ayo to KU. I wouldn't even be mad.
Read off zagsblog today, That Naz Reid & Jahvon Quinerly have talked about going to a school as a package. More and more of this happening all the time
I had read or at least thought I had that we might be in decent shape with Quinerly - - I know we made the final 7 on both of their list.
The article says that the schools that both are being recruited by are:
Arizona, KU, Seton Hall & UCLA. - - I think it's been a pretty well know or at least thought to have been that Reid was leaning pretty heavy towards Louisville, so if they thinking package then Quinerly gonna have to start showing interest with them.
Reid being involved with Louisville - - things might change there though. I know, we not getting these guys but just thought kind of interesting 1st I had heard about package - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Neither will end up at KU.
Apparently Ayo Dosunmu is still very good friends with Charlie Moore. If getting Moore also nets Dosunmu, that was one of the best signings Self has had.
Slater is hearing that Dotson's top 3 is KU, Maryland and Florida..Maryland scares me some with the recent visit he took there. They do have Cowan and Morsell at PG so its not like he's walking into a bare situation there. Florida definitely needs a PG after losing Alexander to Kentucky and Chiozza is a Sr..
Kansas?
Yeah, Kansas has been hitting me up. Coach Norm (Roberts) has been hitting me up and telling me heâs going to try to get me on the phone with Bill Self, but they offered me. I donât know when Iâll be able to get out there. Kansas is a little far.
You might have to do an official for that one.
Yeah, Iâd probably have to do an official. Hopefully, Iâll just take it from there.
What do you know about their program?
I know they have a good program. Bill Self is a great coach. Theyâve got a great record of developing point guards.
A lot of people are saying youâre going to go to Kansas.
(laughs) I donât really have a favorite school.
And some people also think UConn.
They have a great history and a great lineage of players. I donât really have a favorite right now. Iâm just playing the game.
What are you going to look for, whenever you do decide?
Somewhere like home, where I donât have to worry about anything. Somewhere I fit in and just be able to play right away. Thatâs my main goal- to go to a school thatâll get me to that next level.
BeddieKU23 said:
Slater is hearing that Dotson's top 3 is KU, Maryland and Florida..Maryland scares me some with the recent visit he took there. They do have Cowan and Morsell at PG so its not like he's walking into a bare situation there. Florida definitely needs a PG after losing Alexander to Kentucky and Chiozza is a Sr..
Florida might be the favourite atm.
Illinois made sure to get Ayo in for another unofficial after that KU offer. :joy:
As long as two good guards are landed, all will be well. Grimes/Carey/Dotson KU is right in the thick of it. Ayo I'm not sure what to think yet. Other higher level recruits (Quickley, Smart, Quinerly) are probably a pipe dream and it's too early to know what the staff is thinking in terms of fallback plans.
Only need one guard if Newman stays, but I think he is going pro.
@BShark You know things have kind have turned in my thinking of who might land here recently. - -As much as I am a Dotson fan - - I feel we might be losing him, as where as I not that I wasn't a fan - -but just felt like we may not have as good of chance BUT now I'm feeling more and more like we indeed may end up with Grimes, nothing really to back my thinking but other then his mama wants him here I think
I think Devon really wanted to come here BUT I think maybe he might and I'm just blowing hot air here but maybe he is seeing all the other pg's in the pic and now these other schools gaining ground - -I'm NOW thinking could be we end up with Carey and Grimes - -but who am I? lol - - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Looks like we need to get Carey on campus as quickly as we can. A lot of programs are after him it seems.
The way he talked about Uconn makes me think they could be the favorites especially with his proximity to them. Who knows if Gilbert and Adams will on the rosters after this season which would basically guarantee him a starting role.
If he hasn't talked to coach Self yet I wonder how much KU is really pursuing him which sucks I think he's as good as any guard we have a chance with.
I wouldn't be concerned with Dotson just yet. We did get him to pay his own dime to come visit during the season with his family. They have a great relationship with the staff and have a chance to seal the deal if he waits and takes his official visits.
The key will be getting him locked into an Official visit and getting his family to come back here again. Maryland has done a good job getting him on campus because of his proximity to them and Florida has been recruiting him for a while as well and may offer the most immediate PT as a freshman.
Looks like KU is pretty in it for Ayo. He is visiting Illinois Tuesday and should be taking his officials soon. KU, Xavier, Wake Forest, Northwestern. Ayo is good enough that you take his commitment and then worry about how it impacts other guard recruits later imo.
Let's go through a couple of the other ones. Which would you like to start with?
Kansas, they offered me maybe two months ago.
Obviously a big-time program.
Yeah. I like their coach. He called me and talked to me and, you know, it wasn't only about basketball. It wasn't only about basketball. He talked about me and my family. He talked to me about my teammates. I definitely like how they're not only focused on basketball. They're focused on you as a person.
Was that different?
Yeah, I think all coaches try to do it to a certain extent, but it was definitely refreshing to see from a big-time program like that to show that they care about the person.
Were you surprised when they offered?
No, I wasn't surprised, but I was very excited. I was super excited.
One of the blue blood programs
Yeah, I was super excited. I think with all of the hard work that I've put in through the years, I think I deserved it. It was definitely humbling to have them offer me.
Might you visit them?
Probably after the summer when I have time to go on a visit.
@BeddieKU23 ya, true - -I wasn't really aware he had been on our campus as of yet, but would be good like you say get him back with the parents for one of his 5 officals. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
BeddieKU23 said:
Looks like we need to get Carey on campus as quickly as we can. A lot of programs are after him it seems.
The way he talked about Uconn makes me think they could be the favorites especially with his proximity to them. Who knows if Gilbert and Adams will on the rosters after this season which would basically guarantee him a starting role.
If he hasn't talked to coach Self yet I wonder how much KU is really pursuing him which sucks I think he's as good as any guard we have a chance with.
I read this in similar fashion. If KU got Grimes and Ayo then it would work out but honestly it would be fine to prioritize Carey I think. Doesn't seem like the staff is going in that direction. Grimes is a huge priority.
Also it won't happen because of numbers and kids wanting lots of pt but could you imagine an Ayo/Grimes/Carey back court? Would be just filthy.
jayballer54 said:
@BShark Well that sounds interesting. - -So talk to me is this guy legit? must be decent enough if We hollering, sounds like his interest is pretty legit with us. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Ayo or Bernard? I think KU has a good shot with Ayo. He is good friends with Charlie Moore and played with Markese this summer. I'm not sure KU will take a wing in this class and Bernard is def a wing. If Vick stays to go with Garrett, Cunliffe and KJ Lawson, definitely already a full compliment of wings. If KU signs a wing, someone is leaving early for sure.
And yeah Dotson visited KU on his own dime and it was a very good visit.
Yes, he visited for the Iowa St loss in Allen with his mother.
As with any kid, momentum swings one way or the other at seemingly every visit. Right now the momentum doesn't seem to be in KU's favor because his last visit was 4 months ago but every time Dotson speaks KU has always been at the top of his list. As long as KU gets an official visit I think we are in good position until we hear otherwise.
Interesting development with Ayo.
He's a very good player and if our connection with him lands a commitment I'm not going to be upset at all. He's had a very good spring and has excellent size to play in the back-court at KU.
Personally I'd love to land Carey or Grimes because at this stage they are better shooters especially from the perimeter but that's my personal opinion of them at this point. We'll see how this develops
I don't think KU/Self could go wrong with Grimes, Dotson, Carey or Ayo. But yes we have pretty much grown accustom to great 3pt shooting KU teams.
Now, a bad 3pt shooting team under Self doesn't seem to be as much of an indicator for team success as it does with say, Bruce Weber. The last two what I would consider bad 3pt shooting KU teams, Self lost to Stanford early but the other made the title game against that stacked UK dream team.
Next year could be worrisome in that regard depending on how players develop and who is signed.
ESPN updated rankings for 2018
Grimes down to 29, not understanding the drop honestly.
Dotson #33
Dosunmu #39
Carey # 55 (nice jump, finally people are catching on)
Bernard #57
A few Duke prospects saw big jumps before they commit.
âI definitely want to visit Kentucky, Kansas and Texas. I might do four, maybe all five official visits, but those are the three I'm definitely going to visit.â
BeddieKU23 said:
ESPN updated rankings for 2018
Grimes down to 29, not understanding the drop honestly.
Dotson #33
Dosunmu #39
Carey # 55 (nice jump, finally people are catching on)
Bernard #57
A few Duke prospects saw big jumps before they commit.
Grimes has been sick lately, though if ESPN isn't factoring that in they aren't doing their job very well...
@KUSTEVE Big Combo Guard. Would be a great second ball handler. A DG type of role. Cunliffe will have to prove he can do something besides hit a shot. And Vick might have the highest ceiling of anyone on next seasons team so he might not even be here. Plus, Grimes might not be a OAD. I know Garrett is kind of a similar guy, but you could slide him to the 3 and possibly have 3 PGs on the floor at once and be a very unselfish team offensively. That is a very high BBIQ lineup.
How are we doing on 2018 bigs? I know we just made Naz Reid's cut. But that's about the only news I've heard on that front. I think Bagley ultimately ends up going straight pro, but I hope he drags out his recruitment. Bill does his best work in April. I don't even really want Bol Bol. So really I don't see us landing an impact big unless we land Naz Reid.
I just don't see Preston or Doke playing another year regardless of how their seasons go. Leaves us with Mitch and the Lawsons. I think KJ will slide into a stretch 4 role. Which probably better suits him athletically and skill-wise. But there is plenty of unchallenged PT for a top big-man to be had. We need to land a 5. Dedric can play there for spurts. But no way can anyone else on our current roster. We are loaded at potential stretch 4s, but that only works if you have a 5 who can eat rebounds. Need to find a backup 5. (Or starting post player if we somehow pulled off a Zion or Bagley miracle).
Bagley is a huge get for two reasons. 1. He would make you a top 5 team almost by himself. And 2. You would have an in with his brother.
Also, what are the odds that Anthony Selden ends up as a preferred walk-on? Seems like a good fit.
Kcmatt7 said:
@KUSTEVE Big Combo Guard. Would be a great second ball handler. A DG type of role. Cunliffe will have to prove he can do something besides hit a shot. And Vick might have the highest ceiling of anyone on next seasons team so he might not even be here. Plus, Grimes might not be a OAD. I know Garrett is kind of a similar guy, but you could slide him to the 3 and possibly have 3 PGs on the floor at once and be a very unselfish team offensively. That is a very high BBIQ lineup.
Yeah. The team will get by this year with two guards (Graham, Newman), but three is much more ideal. I view Garrett as a wing until proven otherwise, I don't care what his position was in HS. What will matter is if he has the ability to play the position at the major D1 level.
Also I agree that KJ and maybe even Cunliffe are more 3/4 types. Although Cunliffe hated that at ASU...
Anyway, point being that if Newman jumps to go pro as expected, signing two pg/cg would be ideal, one absolutely essential to not getting destroyed by teams that press.
Kcmatt7 said:
How are we doing on 2018 bigs? I know we just made Naz Reid's cut. But that's about the only news I've heard on that front. I think Bagley ultimately ends up going straight pro, but I hope he drags out his recruitment. Bill does his best work in April. I don't even really want Bol Bol. So really I don't see us landing an impact big unless we land Naz Reid.
I just don't see Preston or Doke playing another year regardless of how their seasons go. Leaves us with Mitch and the Lawsons. I think KJ will slide into a stretch 4 role. Which probably better suits him athletically and skill-wise. But there is plenty of unchallenged PT for a top big-man to be had. We need to land a 5. Dedric can play there for spurts. But no way can anyone else on our current roster. We are loaded at potential stretch 4s, but that only works if you have a 5 who can eat rebounds. Need to find a backup 5. (Or starting post player if we somehow pulled off a Zion or Bagley miracle).
No one seems to know the answer to this. It is possible that Preston and/or Doke are back though. I think Doke returning is slightly more likely.
Looks like we are simply in wait and see mode.
Garret played PG in HS and yes, I read what you posted; however, playing that position he was selected POY for the state of Texas, one of the top BBall states in the country...what makes you think he could not play PG in college? Wouldn't the logical initial assumption be that he can play PG until he shows he cannot?
True, given his size its natural to think he will be transitioned to another position but maybe he's good enough to be the primary backup for Graham as a freshman. He has excellent vision and from everything I've read he has leadership skills to be a PG.
We haven't heard Self talk about where he plans to use him yet. There has been some general talk from those around the program that Marcus was recruited to play the 2/3 spot but its never been confirmed. There's definitely a role for him as a ball-handler if he earns it
Matt Scott on the shiver confirmed my own suspicions. The staff wants TWO guards in this class. Then listed...
Grimes, Dosunmu, Dotson, Quickley, Romeo, Quinerly, Smart, Bernard and Jalen Carey. Maybe throw David Duke in there as well.
BShark said:
Matt Scott on the shiver confirmed my own suspicions. The staff wants TWO guards in this class. Then listed...
Grimes, Dosunmu, Dotson, Quickley, Romeo, Quinerly, Smart, Bernard and Jalen Carey. Maybe throw David Duke in there as well.
Why stop at 2 when we can get 3. At least 2 for sure!
I'm of the opinion that Garrett could play the point. But I could certainly see Coach wanting to use that size at the 2/3. Perhaps that is why KUSPORTS listed Garret at 6'7". Our ball handling skills could be off the charts next year with Moore, Garrett, and whoever else we bring in.
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
Matt Scott on the shiver confirmed my own suspicions. The staff wants TWO guards in this class. Then listed...
Grimes, Dosunmu, Dotson, Quickley, Romeo, Quinerly, Smart, Bernard and Jalen Carey. Maybe throw David Duke in there as well.
Why stop at 2 when we can get 3. At least 2 for sure!
I like the optimism but I can't see pulling three with Moore already on board.
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
Matt Scott on the shiver confirmed my own suspicions. The staff wants TWO guards in this class. Then listed...
Grimes, Dosunmu, Dotson, Quickley, Romeo, Quinerly, Smart, Bernard and Jalen Carey. Maybe throw David Duke in there as well.
Why stop at 2 when we can get 3. At least 2 for sure!
I like the optimism but I can't see pulling three with Moore already on board.
Agree, was just playing. Lots of good guards in this class that fit what Self wants. Pulling 2 might even be hard with how guys look for the path to the least resistance but if Newman is being shopped as good as gone well getting 2 shouldn't be that hard.
Garrett could be 6'9 on the official roster by fall. haha
The plan is definitely that Newman goes pro after this year. He might be the best guard (in terms of talent) Self has had at KU so yeah. Obviously Graham is gone. This situation should make recruiting easier. You still never know though, Trae Young was offered the keys and turned em down. Even not counting Smart, Quickley or Quinerly (good idea imo) that's a lot of really good guards KU is in on. Self just has to bat .333.
BeddieKU23 said:
Garrett could be 6'9 on the official roster by fall. haha
:joy:
At this rate he will be 7' by the time he gets minutes.
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Garrett could be 6'9 on the official roster by fall. haha
:joy:
At this rate he will be 7' by the time he gets minutes.
Just in time to take over Doke's position at the 5
2019 name to watch: Terrence Hargrove.
Read today where KU had offered 2020 pg Adam Miller 6'3 from Peoria Illinois. Said KU and Illinois were going to be fighting for him over the next 2 yrs lol. - - - - -Rock Chalk All Day Long Baby
Posted about that a bit back, he's really good and interested in KU. Momma is on board too...could definitely end up a Jayhawk.
Encouraging news about Miller even if he's a long ways away from picking or going to College. Never hurts to be in already for a 2020 kid with ties to the program.
Looking like Quinerly to Arizona. Jeez they are unstoppable right now.
Bagley to visit Duke this summer.. no other visits planned at this point.
Grimes latest interview makes it seem like he will be dragging out his recruitment.. Will KU wait on him and get burned again? Seems like the next in line to do so.
Some more 18 prospects off the board. Smith- a high upside top 40 guy to Maryland. USC picked up a Top-100 big. Neither were on KU's radar.
Ayo eliminated Northwestern from consideration after visiting.. No KU visit planned as of yet and frankly I'm not sure what they are waiting on to get him here.
Looks like Duke will be on the board soon with Cole Swider, a rising PF who I'm sure the recruiting sites will overvalue because he signs with Duke.
Matt keeps saying KU sits in a good spot for Langford, which I don't believe. We hear "we're in a good spot all to often" line
@BeddieKU23 I just hope Bagley signs early. Just so Self doesn't turn into Captain Ahab and ignores recruits we could actually land.
Could be another early commit. Not like right now which would be insane, but JR year assuming he keeps progressing.
With Grimes, I'd say KU shouldn't wait if he isn't a fall decision but other realistic guard targets want to commit. He's good yes but if two of Dotson, Ayo and Carey want to commit I say take em.
Sounded like Ayo plans to visit KU. Wouldn't worry about it.
Looks like that kid is already getting the Duke bump. A shame that KU hasn't been closing targets like other schools over the summer. But hey since Bill just works a bit later than usual maybe this will mean a good fall. :joy:
BShark said:
The plan is definitely that Newman goes pro after this year. He might be the best guard (in terms of talent) Self has had at KU so yeah. Obviously Graham is gone. This situation should make recruiting easier. You still never know though, Trae Young was offered the keys and turned em down. Even not counting Smart, Quickley or Quinerly (good idea imo) that's a lot of really good guards KU is in on. Self just has to bat .333.
Yeah Howard's job should depend on whether he lands this kid (with the expectation that he keeps improving and KU continues to prioritize him. It sounds harsh but at some point your assistants have to prove themselves when you have the upper hand in a recruitment. Him being a key player for Newman was a positive step IMO for him. There is literally not an acceptable excuse out there if he doesn't land Miller with the connection he shares with the mother.
We'll see what happens with Grimes. At least we know an official visit is a certainty.
Swider is definitely getting the Duke bump. Not that he hasn't improved, he's been the leading scorer so far on his AAU squad that has caught a lot of attention.
Did you see the Bamba possible eligibility issues? I haven't dug deep into it but some messy stuff possibly happening..
Yeah I made a thread. I can't see Bamba being able to play....
@BeddieKU23 Isn't Snacks the reason that the Chicago pipeline has sort of reopened? He landed Cliff and Jacobs. Is he really doing much worse than anyone else recruiting?
Ruhroh, Marcedus Leech visiting UK....
He hold early offers from Kansas, Iowa State, Miami, Missouri, Vanderbilt and Washington among others, but told D1Vision that Kentucky is his dream school.
Just another kid KU was supposedly the early favourite for that will end up at UK, Duke or AZ.
No I don't think he's doing sub-par to the rest of the staff. He's gotten a lot of criticism since he's been here, part of that falls on his arrest and poor judgement. I've held nothing against him in that regard and see no reason to. I had forgot he has run point on some other guys we currently have or will have in the future as well. I think he's starting to get settled in and connect with recruits and with him being younger then the rest of the staff he has an advantage.
I was just making my opinion that if Miller doesn't come to KU (given he's already a top 25 2020 kid) with the connection he has with Howard then we'll have to discuss that when it comes up.
BShark said:
He hold early offers from Kansas, Iowa State, Miami, Missouri, Vanderbilt and Washington among others, but told D1Vision that Kentucky is his dream school.
Just another kid KU was supposedly the early favourite for that will end up at UK, Duke or AZ.
It's not like we have heard anything about KU's involvement in almost a year with him. The staff might be after others but I wouldn't agree with that decision. Leech is worth attention
Yeah it would be a bad look if KU wanted Miller but missed. For anyone that doesn't know, Jerrance went to high school with Miller's mom. The recent unofficial visit was a complete slam dunk, home run etc...
Assuming Barrett reclassifies, Leech was actually my preferred realistic target for wing/guard in 19. Doesn't look likely now though. I'd keep an eye on Terrence Hargrove JR now. KU is in on a lot of combo forward types, but I think the staff views them as bigs/post players. Ie Hurt, C Lawson, JRE etc...
J Smart to LSU.
Just realized LSU and Missouri are in same conference with same mascot. Smh
approxinfinity said:
Just realized LSU and Missouri are in same conference with same mascot. Smh
Auburn as well.
Howard did suck early on at landing his targets, there's no disputing that. He had a lot of misses on high profile players and even some 3-4 year guys. The reality is that Howard is finally finding his footing in recruiting for KU and is finally starting to land more players so the idea of replacing him is becoming less appealing for now as long as he keeps landing solid players. Now if the players he's landing flame out or don't live up to expectations, then that's a problem. Cliff Alexander was his first big time signing and that didn't go well. He was also the lead on a couple of the other "issue" players if I'm not mistaken. While I'm not ready to say I have no worries about Snacks going forward, I do believe the leash is getting longer based on what he's accomplishing right now.
@Texas-Hawk-10 Is it really his fault if players don't pan out? Isn't Bill the one who watches these guys and picks the ones he wants out? Then he sends the minions to do his bidding?
@Kcmatt7 In some cases, absolutely it's Snacks fault. If he's their position coach and they don't develop, that 100% falls in Snacks.
The assistant coaches are usually the first ones to bring a player to World's attention in the first place because Self can't be everywhere. Too many misses like that and it would absolutely make someone question Snacks eye for talent as well.
Looks like Naz Reid might pop for LSU soon. Hoo boy.
Just le scuttlebutttt currently. They kind of came out of nowhere here to get his first ov and are um, making a real push if you know what I mean. Even UK people are saying LSU, and they ALWAYS say UK.
It's pretty crazy how crummy SEC schools with average to below average coaches who put forth not so great results continue to get top players. It's almost like recruiting is shady. :astonished:
Whole slew of top 100 kids off the board and none of them to the good guys..
Whole slew of top 100 kids off the board and none of them to the good guys..
You can say that again!
Normally I'd say it's early, but yeah lots of commitments already.
dylans said:
@BShark What will we complain about if only realistic recruits are listed? Makes the recruiting embargo talk more interesting if all the top 10 guys are listed.
It was a lot more fun in HS talking about all the girls I wanted to ask out than it would have been to only talk about the smaller number who would accept!
At this point KU is unlikely to snag any of the top 10 recruits. Not to say things can't change with any of these guys especially if they slow play their recruitment but to this point I don't think there is any evidence out there that points to KU being a favorite or serious threat for any of those listed in the article.
I hope we land some of our known targets and the last 3 weeks of July should really help those interested figure out where we stand with these kids
It's not a matter of if we win 25+ games, it's just a matter of how. I'm kind of to the point where I don't even worry much about recruiting any more. Not that I'm disinterested in recruiting. But worrying about which prima donna chooses a KU hat has fallen off my radar. I'm still baffled by Julius Randle stiffing us back a few years ago. Thought that was a natural fit, and a lock to come to Lawrence. We get Mason as an afterthought and he's perhaps the best player ever under Self. Then we land a perfect 4 (Bragg) and he flames out. OADs always seem to underwhelm in some manner or form, and then there's JJ. No rhyme or reason to all of this. Just when we feel we're behind the eight ball, Self snags someone late or a transfer.
I follow this pretty passively now.
Ian Steere is off the board to Creighton. Liked his upside..
"Mr. Recruit, we have a lot to offer you for 2018: our point guard position is filled, but our 2/3 guard spot might be open providing you don't mind beating out a potential Vick senior year, a young, promising Garrett, or a very athletic Cunfliffe. Now, Newman will probably declare, but he might not, so don't let that worry hang over your head. Could we see a KJ Lawson at the 3, or would it be Lawson/Lawson down low, or even a Doke/Lawson if the big guy comes back? Don't forget we have a 3rd year big named Lightfoot as well. And if Mr. Preston sticks around, who knows where everyone will play. We might not be able to offer you a minute's time as a starter next year, but you could end up in our rotation. Everything is clear as mud. Sign with us. "
We know the staff wants 2 guards in this class. I get the feeling we land one in the fall and hopefully another in the spring.
Under the assumption Newman isn't coming back there is that need. We all expect Newman to do well this season and its been widely known he only wants to spend a year here.
Whether its at least 1 additional point guard to go with Charlie Moore, its safe to say we are after a ball handler and 2-way guards.
If Vick has a monster year I expect he'll test the NBA waters. His athletic ability will give him a chance especially if he tests well at the Combine. If he doesn't leave I expect he could slide to the 2-guard position as a Senior and whatever guard(s) recruit we land will probably be his backup.
Dotson (primarily a PG), Grimes (can play both on/off the ball), Dosunmu- 2 way player, Carey- another 2 way player are the primary targets KU can realistically get at this point. We will know starting this weekend who the staff is really following with the most important stretch of AAU ball upcoming.
The situation down in the post is fluid.
We could see Doke and Preston leave.
Preston seems to be the most likely candidate seems how his game is a fit for the Modern NBA and if he presents enough upside even after a year I think he goes to the draft and stays. Plus Self recruited over him with Dedric and that will play a huge factor in him going. If Lightfoot continues to develop there won't be much of a need for a PF. I expect we could even see KJ play some 4 with his defensive and rebounding skills. Seems like a position we have locked down and can focus on Jeremiah Robinson Earl in 2019.
Doke, no denying he's the type of player that could be extremely valuable for KU this season. His value in the NBA has diminished considerably with how teams are going small. Doke is the throwback, power Shaq-type that can't shoot and will have to prove a lot this season. Too early to know what he's going to do and the staff will probably be hoping all the top big's in the class commit in the spring so that KU has a better chance with any of them. Right now I would say Doke returns for his junior year (even though he came to KU saying he was a 2 yr player).
There is however a need for a backup big (primarily to play the 5), especially if Doke did return as a Jr. The staff doesn't seem to be interested in any of the middle tier 4 star recruits that teams are scooping up (recently USC, Purdue, Creighton, Stanford, Villanova, Michigan St, Maryland have all locked down good post talent that KU could have easily been involved for). Off the top of the head it seems KU is all in on the premiere bigs in the Top 20 and will as usual now be in play for graduate transfers/de-commits from other schools etc in the spring.
Will be very interesting to see what players join the good guys. Potentially 1-3 starting spots up for grabs depending on roster movement
@BeddieKU23 "Graduate transfers and de-commits." I predict that Bill Self will continue to lean on such. Maybe Svi will help the coaching staff locate and recruit up and coming foreign talent. Although our Adidas draw base sometimes falters, Self has been masterful in filling specific slots. He seems to squeeze the max from players not listed as Top 30 hopefuls.
Well I know he is not a 2018 but I did know we had been recruiting him and now offered.
2019 Balsa Koprivica - -7'1. - - KU, Oreg, Texas, Arizona St are the latest to offer - - joining Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech & LSU
Koprivica says the schools that are talking to him the most are: UCLA, KU, Baylor, Miami, Florida, USC, Louisville, Florida St, Wake Forest, & Arizona
He is transferring to Windermere Fl prep and will not be on the AAU circuit this summer.
Has the foot work of a polished wing - -a once in a generation type of player deadly shooter from 18-20 feet Augustine compares him to two of the greatest Europe player ever to play in the NBA - - - Paul G asol & Dirk Nowitzki
Ok so here is a question to end with all these show things that goes on - - -Augustine who runs the Adidas sponsored program - -Doesn't KU wear Adidas? - - - I know we lose out it seems to some because of the shoe - -just saying, - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
He visited Duke recently, expect every major program to be on him.
I'm sure he will continue to keep an open mind with Graduate Transfers etc. Whitman for example seems like he will be an important role player this year and Tarik Black was equally important a few years ago.
Svi, I believe we lucked into when recruiting others at the Nike Hoops Summit (a similar situation was how the staff got Frank Mason). There is a lot of European talent out there, I'm sure Svi helps with our visibility to those who wish to come to the states for Education and playing.
Verbal Commits for 2018 are falling quickly this year. - - 38-of top 100 already has made commitments .
Norte Dame has 3 commits already, # 56 , # 81 , # 98 - - - - Arizona has 2 commits , # 24, # 28- - - -Louisville has 2 commits , # 23 , # 33 North Carolina has 2 commits, # 37 , # 66- - - - South Carolina has 2 commits, # 34 , # 53- - - - Stanford has 2 commits , # 41 , # 64- - - -Maryland ,has two commits , # 29, # 67- - - - California with 2 commits , # 82 , # 94 & Michigan State has two commits , # 75 , # 100 players. - - & `19 other schools with a commit. - - Falling quickly this year. Sure would like to see some early verbals this year, seems to be trending to late of season lately. Now I'm not saying get a kid to verbal early just to have a body - -simply saying it would be nice to get someone to make that early commit, so we wouldn't have to be sitting around wondering about are targets in the late signing.
2019 looks like it could be a very good year quite possibly I know no one gives us any kind what so ever - - -BUT I do - -I actually DO think we have a shot at RJ Barrett, - the # 1 player, I think we have a very legit shot - -ya ya I know everyone wants to talk Duke, it's ok talk Duke, we shall wait and see but to the people giving us NO shot - -ummmm I feel you are way off. - - -# 3 Hurt we lead pretty substantial, I know some think we have lost some ground with him - - -which we have but I feel we are still ok, # 15 feels a lock for us, would be stunned to see him anywhere else, # 23 Lawson - - -again would be stunned if he landed anywhere else all things considered, and then # 40 Harvey - - lets make it a sweep of three in a row for a cinch to play here
I know there are several Kentucky people that feel RJ Barrett will land at KU, and other sites I have read that say they think he is going to end up at KU - -we shall see, but for those again who say no shot - - - sorry, and we can get Wiggins to put in a plug for us, their pretty good friends - -you just might be surprised - - we shall see, ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
So looks like Self and the staff will be rotating in and out of the 3 major AAU tournaments that start this week. Peach Jam, UA & Adidas as well as Peach State for Ayo.
Nike EYBL Peach Jam - starts on Wednesday. Some of the KU targets EYBL has - Emmitt Williams, Bagley, Bol, Louis King, Jalen Carey and more.
Ayo will be playing in the tourney for the teams that didn't make Peach Jam
Under Armour is in the ATL - Moses Brown, Naz Reid and more
Adidas -Zion, Langford, Quickley, Grimes, Devon Dotson, Jordan Brown to name some.
Looks like the staff should predominately be at Adidas if I were them. See Ayo and some of Peach Jam as well. I'm sure it will be the opposite..
Ha. Howling.
I think KU has a better shot at RJ Barrett than anyone listed in that article. To be fair he hasn't officially reclassed yet but he will.
Shame about Steere. Seems like some KU targets see a path to minutes at Creighton. First Ballock, now Steere. Can't blame Steere and he was probably a plan C, but stuff like this has made recruiting even more difficult.
BeddieKU23 said:
So looks like Self and the staff will be rotating in and out of the 3 major AAU tournaments that start this week. Peach Jam, UA & Adidas as well as Peach State for Ayo.
Nike EYBL Peach Jam - starts on Wednesday. Some of the KU targets EYBL has - Emmitt Williams, Bagley, Bol, Louis King, Jalen Carey and more.
Ayo will be playing in the tourney for the teams that didn't make Peach Jam
Under Armour is in the ATL - Moses Brown, Naz Reid and more
Adidas -Zion, Langford, Quickley, Grimes, Devon Dotson, Jordan Brown to name some.
Looks like the staff should predominately be at Adidas if I were them. See Ayo and some of Peach Jam as well. I'm sure it will be the opposite..
Extremely busy time now. I'd love to see a couple fall or earlier commitments for KU. Hell just one even, get Grimes signed.
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
So looks like Self and the staff will be rotating in and out of the 3 major AAU tournaments that start this week. Peach Jam, UA & Adidas as well as Peach State for Ayo.
Nike EYBL Peach Jam - starts on Wednesday. Some of the KU targets EYBL has - Emmitt Williams, Bagley, Bol, Louis King, Jalen Carey and more.
Ayo will be playing in the tourney for the teams that didn't make Peach Jam
Under Armour is in the ATL - Moses Brown, Naz Reid and more
Adidas -Zion, Langford, Quickley, Grimes, Devon Dotson, Jordan Brown to name some.
Looks like the staff should predominately be at Adidas if I were them. See Ayo and some of Peach Jam as well. I'm sure it will be the opposite..
Extremely busy time now. I'd love to see a couple fall or earlier commitments for KU. Hell just one even, get Grimes signed.
I get the feeling Grimes might be one to hold out til spring.
I'd be pressing Dotson/Carey for fall. Carey just visited Syracuse with his family which is never a good thing for everyone else..
If Barrett holds out til spring which is likely that's KU's best chance.
The roster situation will have to open up to entice him if he's all about that. We did land Jackson when we had other wings so its not impossible. But if we still have Vick, Cunliffe, Lawson & Garrett as wings on the roster its going to be a tough sell. After what he did at U19 the bidding war went up a notch
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
So looks like Self and the staff will be rotating in and out of the 3 major AAU tournaments that start this week. Peach Jam, UA & Adidas as well as Peach State for Ayo.
Nike EYBL Peach Jam - starts on Wednesday. Some of the KU targets EYBL has - Emmitt Williams, Bagley, Bol, Louis King, Jalen Carey and more.
Ayo will be playing in the tourney for the teams that didn't make Peach Jam
Under Armour is in the ATL - Moses Brown, Naz Reid and more
Adidas -Zion, Langford, Quickley, Grimes, Devon Dotson, Jordan Brown to name some.
Looks like the staff should predominately be at Adidas if I were them. See Ayo and some of Peach Jam as well. I'm sure it will be the opposite..
Extremely busy time now. I'd love to see a couple fall or earlier commitments for KU. Hell just one even, get Grimes signed.
I get the feeling Grimes might be one to hold out til spring.
I'd be pressing Dotson/Carey for fall. Carey just visited Syracuse with his family which is never a good thing for everyone else..
Ugh, I hope not.
And damn, I hope the staff isn't trying to slow roll Carey.
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
So looks like Self and the staff will be rotating in and out of the 3 major AAU tournaments that start this week. Peach Jam, UA & Adidas as well as Peach State for Ayo.
Nike EYBL Peach Jam - starts on Wednesday. Some of the KU targets EYBL has - Emmitt Williams, Bagley, Bol, Louis King, Jalen Carey and more.
Ayo will be playing in the tourney for the teams that didn't make Peach Jam
Under Armour is in the ATL - Moses Brown, Naz Reid and more
Adidas -Zion, Langford, Quickley, Grimes, Devon Dotson, Jordan Brown to name some.
Looks like the staff should predominately be at Adidas if I were them. See Ayo and some of Peach Jam as well. I'm sure it will be the opposite..
Extremely busy time now. I'd love to see a couple fall or earlier commitments for KU. Hell just one even, get Grimes signed.
I get the feeling Grimes might be one to hold out til spring.
I'd be pressing Dotson/Carey for fall. Carey just visited Syracuse with his family which is never a good thing for everyone else..
Ugh, I hope not.
And damn, I hope the staff isn't trying to slow roll Carey.
I don't think they are slow rolling Carey but if they are we know we won't land him. He's visited schools in his area (Rutgers, Syracuse, Uconn, Seton Hall). He said he'd have to use an official to make it to Kansas which from what he said earlier this summer would happen.
I don't know if he's brought his family on any other trips but Syracuse has turned up the heat on him and view him as one of their major guard targets. I'm just connecting the dots that if he was to commit this summer before official visits happened Syracuse could be the team.
I see he moved up Rivals and 247's rankings which we've said all along would happen.
Hopefully the staff is watching his games at Peach Jam. That will tell us quick.
As far as Grimes, he said this last month in June.
Maybe I'll cut it down to three or four schools before the start of my senior year and then look to take official visits," said Grimes. "I'm not sure when I'll decide yet, maybe in the winter between signing periods because I don't want to rush it."
Thanks @BeddieKU23 I don't remember reading that from Grimes. But I was awol for a bit due to being really busy.
And yep I like Carey. I'll be paying close attention to updates on who KU is watching.
BShark said:
Thanks @BeddieKU23 I don't remember reading that from Grimes. But I was awol for a bit due to being really busy.
And yep I like Carey. I'll be paying close attention to updates on who KU is watching.
Self watched Jalen Carey last night. Looks like that settles our question there
After that watched Bagley vs Emmitt Williams with Kurtis
Interestingly Matt put in a CB for Emmitt Williams to KU after that game. And par for the course didn't explain why to any of his paying followers.
Staff movements yesterday:
Self watched Bryce Thompson a 2020 prospect. His father played for Self at Tulsa.
Self watched Moses Brown a top 10 2018 7 footer, Emmitt Williams again who had a monster game and Bagley.
Kurtis watched 2019 SF Malik Hall who unofficial visited in June.
Assistants have tracked Jalen Johnson a top 20 2020 kid at UA event
James Wiseman a top 10 2019 post will visit KU and Kentucky he said yesterday.
There is also chatter Bagley could move into 2017 and sign with USC.. He will visit Duke after Peach Jam and then visit Arizona and USC and see where it goes from there. No Mention of KU even though Self has been at all his games.. Perfect example of wasting your time.
Thanks.
Hope the Bagley thing is just a rumour. I hope he ends up at Duke, UK or AZ provided it isn't KU.
Hall is a good player, but bad class for him to be a wing in. At least in terms of who KU is targeting.
Haven't read or seen much on Thompson but that's a hell of an in.
Wiseman appears to be a UK lean. From Tennessee though, so maybe KU has a shot...
Okay so he can shoot and is already 6'2''.
@BeddieKU23 Agree with you on this time for sure. - I really feel that if not all at least most of the KU fans would more then willingly agree, we know Bagley not coming here, so why waste the time that could be spent on more legit possibilities?
We were NEVER really a serious contender for him - I personally feel he added us at the last minute as more of a courtesy then reality, this is just another case of wasting time like you say while main while back at the ranch other top notch quality players are slipping through the hour glass
Coach stated this could be the most important recruiting class we have had, saying we need Big's - - - - we need small - - -we need tall wings - - - he says recruiting everything
Saying we could lose possible 6 from this year. We know Graham - - -SVI - - & Whitman gone - -then the possibility of Doke, - - Newman - - -Preston - - -Vick. - -need a very solid recruiting class. - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Bagley's deal is probably just a rumor but who knows with that kid.
Hall plays for Mokan, he's played well this week but we all know the growing Mokan curse we have going on.
Thompson hit a bunch of 3's in front of Self. Bet we keep on him if he continues to progress.
Agree on Wiseman. Interesting enough he said he'd visit this summer..
At least the staff has been active after Emmitt Williams and Moses Brown which are 2 more logical targets.
For example I believe Self watched Jalen Carey yesterday morning who had a monster game and then played again later and Self wasn't there meanwhile Syracuse, Uconn, Rutgers and Seton Hall were all front and center. All the local schools that are pursuing him. If you want to get a kid away from the East Coast you gotta keep on him. If he missed Carey's game to watch Bagley I would be mad. Can't confirm but that would be a perfect example of wasted recruiting.
BeddieKU23 said:
Bagley's deal is probably just a rumor but who knows with that kid.
Hall plays for Mokan, he's played well this week but we all know the growing Mokan curse we have going on.
Thompson hit a bunch of 3's in front of Self. Bet we keep on him if he continues to progress.
Agree on Wiseman. Interesting enough he said he'd visit this summer..
With Hall I think he is a very nice player it's just bad timing. KJ and Cunliffe could still both be on the roster. Then KU is in on Hurt, Lawson, Jeffries and JRE. None are pure wings except Jeffries but all are combo-forwardish. This is also part of why I would see Wiseman being a hard pull. The staff won't pass on JRE or Lawson. Could Wiseman be convinced to play center? Cal is certainly telling the kid he is a forward or hell, a wing (even though he isn't). The kid that visited the same day as Hall, interestingly enough plays the same position. I think it's worth keeping tabs on both. Especially given that Jeffries is not as much of a slam dunk to commit as Lawson or JRE.
And yeah definitely think they keep tabs on Thompson. Gotta think it would be fairly easy to close if wanted.
just a few tidbits. - -read off SB Nation article written by Jeremy Chisenhall , kind of amusing stating that Kentucky might be losing ground on two of their top recruiting targets for 2018: - - Bol Bol , and Romeo Langford.
Talking about a lot of the experts picking different schools more and more Kentucky being mentioned less. Talk is that after Bol , Bol was cut from the U-19 class and Langfords limited playing time. Of Course Romeo was due to the fact of his back strain.
Mentioned how now Arizona, UCLA , & USC are schools mentioned more for Bol. makes sense since he moved to West Coast. Jerry Meyer the National Analyst changing his pick from UK to USC - -again this is coming from Kentucky SB Nation.
As far as Romeo Evan Daniels is saying UK is fading fast in his recruitment - -saying that Indiana - - - Louisville - - And KU are the big three in the mix for him and to keep an eye on them for him. Yes all of the Big Blue Nation fans is all up in arms with this: Screw them if they aren't with us then they are their enemy - - -If we don't get these two we may just have the best recruiting class again instead of the best in the past decade etc, etc, etc. gives me some laughs
So I thought and still think Romeo is Louisville, thought so for awhile, what you think? Also Carey says that Syracuse and U Conn are the two that have been working the hardest for him said Self was at yesterdays game BUT he said mainly U Conn and for sure Syracuse. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@jayballer54 KU, Louisvile and IU.
Wonder what those schools have in common....
@jayballer54 They all have 3 stripes on their jerseys.
Wouldn't you think that the latest news out of Louisville would hurt their chances with all of the recruits considering them?
KU was one of the first schools to reach out to him after he decommitted.
Perry said he decommitted to be closer to home, his dad is sick?
Something along those lines. We will see how truthful that ends up being.
Grimes dropped 41 last night, he looked great. Self was there and he mentioned he's excited to get on the hawks campus for a visit
:fire:
I do think he ends up at KU. Just so many factors in favour of KU and he is being prioritized. I remember some he is interested in UK rumblings but I mean what kid wouldn't be plus with UK taking Quickley plus Green and Alexander both likely not being OAD, it'd be hard to see Grimes going there. Whereas Grimes starts at KU from day one.
@BShark I don't see Grimes starting at KU. His competition would be Charlie Moore at PG who wasn't a slouch and will have a year in the system. Lagerald Vick will be a senior starting at the 2 and the featured player for Self in 2018. Marcus Garrett will also be in the mix so Crimes would likely be fighting Garrett for the first guard off the bench role and then take over the 2 spot in 2019 after Vick graduates.
Vick is a wing. Moore, Grimes, Vick. Really good trio there.
@Texas-Hawk-10 If Vick comes back for his Senior season.- - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@BShark 2018 will be Moore, Vick, Cunliffe/Garrett in the back court. Vick is a 2, he doesn't have the mass to play the 3. Grimes would have to beat out Garrett and Cunliffe to start which would give KU a pretty small back court.
If KU lands Grimes, he backs up Moore and then slides into the line up in 2019 after Vick graduates and plays alongside Moore and Garrett.
@jayballer54 Vick will be back. Vest case scenario this year is he's the 4th option whereas in 2018, he'd likely be the #1 option.
From a UK slanted article
When he trims his list of schools in the next two weeks, Kansas, Kentucky, Arizona and Texas will definitely make the cut, Grimes said. The Jayhawks are considered heavy favorites and their head coach sat right under the basket for his game Saturday.
âTheyâre probably the strongest right now. They call me every day, Bill Self is big on me and my mom went to Kansas,â Grimes said. âBut she doesnât put any pressure on me to go there at all, so itâs really my decision. I wouldnât count anybody out, really, because every school is different, has a different sell, a different pitch. Every school has a good chance of getting me right now.â
Andrew Slaterâ @ASlater247
5âď¸Quentin Grimes dropped 41 today for Basketball U. Will cut list soon, but KU, Texas, Zona & Baylor have stood out
Self watched two players the other day: Grimes and Zion. Self has been at every game of Grimes so far I believe. That says a lot.
Snacks watched Tyrese Maxey and Hunter Dickinson.
Roberts watched Lawson, Jeffries and Carey.
Howard and Townsend watched Keldon Johnson. Very good player, but maybe too late to get involved?
@HighEliteMajor I'm right with you on the bit about following Self's recruiting with a passive outlook. Again and again the guy pulls short or long term rabbits out of the recruiting fold. I now tend to focus more on the intricacies of chemistry, temperament and conduct of team dynamics and untested newcomers. If attitude and determination are there, almost any top 150 recruit can grow into a major contributor over time in the current Jayhawk schematic. The mix of high school talent levels which Self and Co. continue to bring to Lawrence is absolutely astounding. And now the coaching staff appears to be leading Division 1 units in luring talented transfers and early grads....
@REHawk It helps that Self is a great coach.
@BeddieKU23 After Ayton especially I will never count a player before they are signed. Self has done all he can with Grimes. That doesn't mean it will work out but the staff is definitely all-in here and putting forth the effort.
Oh and of course he says it's open. Uncommitted recruits will pretty much always say that. Even up until the day they commit. Not saying he is a lock to KU at all, but he said what he pretty much had to say more or less, especially to a UK reporter.
âTheyâre probably the strongest right now. They call me every day, Bill Self is big on me and my mom went to Kansas,â Grimes said.
Mr Grimes needs to learn it's not Bill Self, it's Coach Self. Learn to show some respect young man.
I haven't followed Grimes. I know you guys have talked about him before. Good kid?
Really good. Big guard at 6'4 who can both run the offense and play off the ball. Not the crazy elite athlete like Wiggins or Jackson, I would say comparable to Wayne Selden.
He seems like a good kid and has a good motor on the court which I think would help him become a starter as a freshman. He's one of the top 3 guards in the class IMO
Quickley sets his official to Kansas for 9-1 to 9-3.
He has visits to Miami and then Kentucky where he Will commit to Calipari after.
How many OVs can KU give? If it's a low number this is kinda dumb.
@BeddieKU23 Your right. - -This is just a kid filling out his officals, taking advantage of paid visits across the Nation - -why not. - - -Everyone pretty well knows he is already gift wrapped for UK - -Quickley himself hasn't really hid it very well, another reason to set his 3rd and probably last official at Kentucky which is on the 15-17th of Sept, isn't that right around their Big Blue Madness event?
Hell not that we have a Snowball's chance in hell of landing either of them BUT between the two we would probably stand a better chance of landing Jahvon Quinerly then we would Quickley, and it looks like a lock now that Quinerly is headed to Arizona - - -what the hell is in the water at Arizona - -Miller is NOT that big of a Coach but yet must recruit really well. WHZ UP WITH THAT? - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I don't know how that works but if your the staff and one of the top point guards wants to visit I imagine its a no brainer to let him visit.
We see it as a waste and Self see's it as an opportunity..
Anything can happen, even as unlikely as it is with what he's said about Kentucky being his favorite.
I'm sure Quickley won't be the only kid to visit this fall where its just a free trip
Fair point and yeah, lots of free trips. Can't blame kids for that.
What's interesting is this package deal crap Quickley and Williamson are all of a sudden talking about this past weekend. Obviously KU would love both of them and likely KU will land neither of them.
If Quickley was visiting KU, Miami and not UK and wasn't saying UK was the favorite I'm sure we'd be sitting here feeling pretty good about our chances (like we do with Grimes for example).
Hopefully the staff did a good enough job this week with its targets.
I feel they did well catching all of Grimes games and making it known he is priority #1 at guard.
They dropped the ball on Carey after day 1 (at least from what he said and noticed). Roberts was at some of his other games but it looks like Day-2 is where KU kind of missed out when his other potential landing spots were right there.
Dotson was tracked all week and played really well. He outplayed Quinerly on Thursday. Arizona remains a real thorn in the side. He wants to visit them soon and the way he's talking about them makes it seem KU is going to lose on him. Florida and Maryland are also involved but it seems like KU has lost its edge to Arizona yet again
@Texas-Hawk-10 I see Vick as a starter, and our leading scorer. I see him playing the 3 with the big frontline behind him.
Fuggin Arizona. Just coming in swiping kids. Hopefully they get Quinerly....
Don't buy this into the negative comments about Coach Miller, he is a very good coach that has been successful every he has coached. His brother is on his way to be even better.
BShark said:
Fuggin Arizona. Just coming in swiping kids. Hopefully they get Quinerly....
They are now the West Coast version of Kentucky.
It's clear they have passed KU in the pecking order for getting recruits. Unless UCLA and Oregon keep up with the recruits there really is no competition for them for West Kids etc. KU isn't landing Cali talent consistently but we keep trying from time to time so its not like KU is threatening them for people in their backyard
From Dotson's interview it seems Arizona is going to take one of Quinerly and Dotson.. They want to run the 2 PG offense and he seems to be interested in that.
While Dotson isn't getting the national love or attention from KU fans that some get losing on him will sting because KU has recruited him as long as anyone. I think KU hurt themselves with Dotson after taking Charlie Moore IMO. The message was come here and run point from day-1. He could still run point but with Moore.. The same message is more or less being put on Grimes. If the staff continues to show Grimes as the #1 target then we might lose Dotson to Zona or Florida/Maryland.
I've been thinking this could be a "who will commit first type deal" and whoever holds out could look elsewhere.
So then the question I have is who's better and more important if the likely situation is KU only signs 1 of Grimes/Dotson?
Dotson is likely a multi year starter and you can run with a Moore/Dotson combo for years.
Grimes could be a OAD or 2 and Done which would put recruiting his position in 2019 (where KU has multiple in's back on the priority).
Well that didn't take long, Reggie Perry is off the board to Miss St. Ben Howland sells a pipedream again. 2 days after saying he wanted to take his time this around with his recruiting he's off the board again. The mind of these kids is LOL
@BeddieKU23 If I'm not mistaking isn't the Perry kid the kid that de-committed from Arkansas? - -Stating he wanted to closer to home to his sick father?
If this is the kid I was thinking of then I'm not surprised it didn't take him long at all. - -They listed the schools that was in on him Before he committed to Arkansas I think it was Georgia, Mississippi St & another. - -I hadn't really given him much of any kind of thought of all about considering us. - - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
BeddieKU23 said:
Well that didn't take long, Reggie Perry is off the board to Miss St. Ben Howland sells a pipedream again. 2 days after saying he wanted to take his time this around with his recruiting he's off the board again. The mind of these kids is LOL
Yeah...rofl...
Howland was probably recruiting him while committed.
@BeddieKU23 I Think Dotson WAS sold on KU for sure at one point. Could be like you say after Moore committed had an influence, as seems about that time we started losing ground. As far as Arizona and him I think Jahvon I believe anyone who Arizona REALLY wants, which still leaves Dotson BUT having said that I do believe more likely then not we have lost him - -can't really say to who my latest feeling is chances are good he ends up in Maryland.
Then like you say it comes down to who is the more talented. - -Me I've always liked Dotson from day one, but doesn't necessarily mean he is better then Grimes. Actually feels Grimes is the better of the two - -Dotson was just my pick, don't think you can go wrong with either that's for sure. Sooo my landing spots are - - - -Quinerly to Arizona, - -- -Dotson to Maryland - - -And we land grimes. Watch that be just the complete opposite when it happens lol, that's why I'm not in the recruiting business lol. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I'd love to see Grimes and Dotson as Jayhawks but that doesn't seem super likely.
jayballer54 said:
@BeddieKU23 If I'm not mistaking isn't the Perry kid the kid that de-committed from Arkansas? - -Stating he wanted to closer to home to his sick father?
If this is the kid I was thinking of then I'm not surprised it didn't take him long at all. - -They listed the schools that was in on him Before he committed to Arkansas I think it was Georgia, Mississippi St & another. - -I hadn't really given him much of any kind of thought of all about considering us. - - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Yeah, he did mention KU as one of the schools that first contacted him after he went public. Other than that he did say he de-committed for his father but then also said he rushed his decision first time around so if you can believe anything its just that the mind of these kids changes with the breeze of the wind.
jayballer54 said:
@BeddieKU23 I Think Dotson WAS sold on KU for sure at one point. Could be like you say after Moore committed had an influence, as seems about that time we started losing ground. As far as Arizona and him I think Jahvon I believe anyone who Arizona REALLY wants, which still leaves Dotson BUT having said that I do believe more likely then not we have lost him - -can't really say to who my latest feeling is chances are good he ends up in Maryland.
Then like you say it comes down to who is the more talented. - -Me I've always liked Dotson from day one, but doesn't necessarily mean he is better then Grimes. Actually feels Grimes is the better of the two - -Dotson was just my pick, don't think you can go wrong with either that's for sure. Sooo my landing spots are - - - -Quinerly to Arizona, - -- -Dotson to Maryland - - -And we land grimes. Watch that be just the complete opposite when it happens lol, that's why I'm not in the recruiting business lol. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I think Maryland is 4th in Dotson's recruitment even though his AAU teammate Wiggins and friend Smith is signed to them. They have gotten into this late with Arizona and I think he wants to end up at a bigger school then Maryland. Maryland had some buzz for a few years but that has fallen off with kids going to the draft. Florida is clearly a program back on the rise and using their most recent tournament run as momentum on the recruiting trail.
I think Florida has done just as good building a relationship with him and they are closer to home then KU/Zona would be and looking over their roster they have a clear need for an elite point guard.
I think this is a KU/Zona/Florida battle. If Grimes and Quinerly both decide before Dotson, look for him to be a Gator.
I'm worried that Dotson's talk of visiting Arizona will end his recruitment as I'm sure Miller was aware that Dotson outplayed Quinerly (who has already visited Arizona and could also visit KU in the fall). If that has any impact on how much they press for Dotson we've all seen the pipe-dream Sean Miller is selling lately and that kind of momentum on the recruiting trail can be infectious to kids. I'd hope Dotson takes all his officials and KU presses for either his 1st or last visit.
I've been pretty adamant that taking Charlie Moore would have its drawbacks to recruiting the PG position. We looked positioned to land multiple elite guard options before we took Charlie and with how kids look for the school that will offer them immediate playing time with little competition its unlikely that KU is going to convince Grimes and Dotson that playing with Charlie Moore is the best option for them.
If we did somehow land both I'd give major props to Bill Self for effectively convincing them that would work despite what's changed, it would be how Duke/Kentucky and now how Arizona are recruiting kids without any concern of depth chart. I don't think KU has been on that level in recent recruiting cycles especially hearing from recruits how they view KU's depth chart as a deciding factor in their decision and overall the schools KU has been losing recruits to lately. Josh Jackson was one recent outlier but he's was the #1 player and every coach in America is opening the red sea for that kind of talent.
I think Grimes is the better talent now but its unlikely he will be in College long enough to make the impact Dotson could make on a program. I think Dotson is that Point Guard a team builds around for 3-4 years but has limited upside for the NBA.
For KU its who pairs better with Moore and the wings we'll likely have back. When Grimes plays like he did this past week he's every part of the elite player he's been touted to be and I think that separates himself from Dotson. They are different players and there are advantages to both.
You know what's sad?
When you have to go to the Duke page to get any KU recruiting updates!
This cannot be the best 247 can get to do KU recruiting.
@BeddieKU23 I am having a senior moment: has a presumed OAD point guard won an NCAA title? If not, could this be why HCBS has seemingly eschewed some opportunities in elite PG recruits by taking Moore?
@BeddieKU23 Matt sucks and is a bit of an asshat. Not a surprise to me he can't get any good info and clearly doesn't have a good source deep enough inside the program to hear any chatter.
He can't even take criticism on 247 without getting all upset. Not worth the money at this point. I'll probably drop my subscription soon unless they get someone else to partner with Matt.
mayjay said:
@BeddieKU23 I am having a senior moment: has a presumed OAD point guard won an NCAA title? If not, could this be why HCBS has seemingly eschewed some opportunities in elite PG recruits by taking Moore?
I think it was more that Self just whiffed pretty hard on two PGs in the last class (Sexton and Young*) that the staff put the full court press on to commit. So he didn't want to potentially get left in the lurch if he had some other tough misses. Self, like the rest of us, knows Newman is likely going pro after this year. So getting Moore on board gives the team a guard in his third season removed from HS, instead of likely having to start multiple FR or multiple players that have more of a wing skillset.
*I'm not even counting Duval.
Overall, I think it was a good move but time will tell.
It might be time for 247 to move on and look elsewhere...
Why is it that KU can't have a good hoops insider? Matt Scott and Shay? MEH. I used to defend MS but I really can't anymore. He had to be goaded into posting info for his paying customers. Compare to Duke, UK, AZ sites etc... where there are regular articles...
@BeddieKU23 See you have good points, and that's what I really like about this site. But for me - - I just don't see Florida being a player in the Dotson scenario. You mention them being closer to home - well seeing he is from Carolina thee really isn't that much difference between there and Maryland, I just can't see it -but that's just me. - -True he might have out played Quinerly in the camp, BUT still overall here again I think Jahvon may be better, and I still think Quinerly is the one sweat boy wants as their main priority, possibly if it comes down to it it indeed could come down to KU/Ariz - -but I just don't see Florida in any form - -again that's just me.
As far as Dotson and Grimes - - I would absolutely freak if we landed both. Is that going to happen I seriously doubt it. If KU lands Grimes I just don't see Dotson coming don't get me wrong I love Dotson I think I've made that pretty clear I would love to have him here, I've been on him from the word go But the way things are starting to shape up I just don't feel he is coming - - -I think he lands with Coach Turgeon call me insane. Could you imagine IF we did somehow land both Quinton & Devon - - WOW that would be a sweet catch - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@mayjay You are welcome!
I do think Bill is tired of chasing OAD dreams. We just can't land a stinking OAD PG. And I could only imagine what Bill could do with one of these 6'3 uber athlete PGs. I mean look what he did with Collins, Frank, Dee Brown and Tyshawn. The man knows how to make someone a great PG.
Also, I think Bill has started taking Transfers as an easy way to build depth. He never plays more than 9 guys. So realistically, getting 2 or 3 each year means better use of your last couple of scholarships. At least in today's college basketball where everyone wants playing time from day 1. He might be seeing the light before everyone else. The way to build an experienced deep team is through transfers. First of all, they have no other option. They are playing at KU for two seasons unless they go pro. In which case, that means they had a great season. Mix that in with your own 4 year guys and maybe a couple of OADs and viola, a deep team with plenty of experience.
Ok so maybe Bill wasn't the first to think of it. But Gonzaga proved it can work... Bill just might be the first one to take notice.
mayjay said:
@BeddieKU23 I am having a senior moment: has a presumed OAD point guard won an NCAA title? If not, could this be why HCBS has seemingly eschewed some opportunities in elite PG recruits by taking Moore?
I think Self values experience with the PG position. When you get OAD you get what roughly 8 months of stability? He's certainly tried to get OAD talent at the PG position but when you don't have the reputation kids look elsewhere. I think him featuring the perimeter has helped us recruit into this class and beyond. We'll see what we get out of it. Grimes would be a homerun grab from a player who can play on/off the ball in College and transition to the modern big NBA PG.
Rarely has he had to start a freshman as PG so either he recruits to get a guy to develop behind someone or he'll take a current option and give them a gut check and say learn to play PG for me. I think he's done that consistently in the last 10 years or so and for the most part has had great success.
Kcmatt7 said:
@BeddieKU23 Matt sucks and is a bit of an asshat. Not a surprise to me he can't get any good info and clearly doesn't have a good source deep enough inside the program to hear any chatter.
He can't even take criticism on 247 without getting all upset. Not worth the money at this point. I'll probably drop my subscription soon unless they get someone else to partner with Matt.
I use mine for football, being a huge fan of Florida St. Its a 24/7 job for those guys, they are constantly updating fans on recruiting, the team etc so the money is well spent in that regard. It's really pathetic that KU with a Top 5 program doesn't have recruiting people that are connected to AAU and the team. And with how connected Duke's guys are, odds are they are recruiting the same guys so I find myself lurking (while half the time laughing at how crazy their fans are about landing every top player in the class). I suppose the same can be said about our fans but it is funny listening to others views.
I can't believe Matt has a job after the Trae Young recruitment. He literally lied to everyone for over a week. It was clear as day. They need to move on from him and let someone else get involved
Malik Hall OFFERED.
@BeddieKU23 "When you get OAD you get what roughly 8 months of stability? "
Ironically not sarcastic!
I had a friend back in law school whose life was total drama, up and down every few weeks as she met/loved/got dumped by a new perfect guy. Several of us were really close to her, and we all spent a lot of time at the bars late at night either watching her go either gaga or bonkers every few weeks. (Call her Gertie just for fun.)
A year later, one guy who had graduated came back. He asked, "So how is Gertie? Has she stabilized?" I answered, somberly, "Well, yes, off and on." We looked at each other, and he said, "It is tragically ironic that you were not being sarcastic!"
Incidentally, by year 3 she found for her a perfect guy and as far as I know they are together still. Past is not always prelude.
Moral: I think Self thinks that with a OAD PG there is no way for any stability in that year. There is a learning curve for his PGs almost through year 2.
Well SVI off to a great start for his team this year, just needs to translate it to KU come our season.
Averaging 25.5 ppg in the 1st two games. Had a 25 pt game in the first game and then followed that up wit a 26 pt game to go along with 7 rebounds and 3 blocks. We need him to work his butt off for us come time our season rolls around and have a huge Senior season. - -would love to see it. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
He could very well end up at any of his choices. If staying close to home is what he wants then if he picked Maryland or Florida that probably ends up being a big factor in his decision. He's never said distance was an issue and they have consistently said relationships were key which I think KU/Florida have done the best job in doing. But the recent talk of Arizona and how they have slime'd into this makes me believe he's looking at them hard and if he takes a visit with his family I'm worried he'll leave there committing. Arizona is just recruiting on a different level then KU right now and this wouldn't be the first time they have swooped in late to grab someone KU has invested a bunch of time on.
Quinerly is very good and I've seen some chatter that KU may get an official from him as well. These camp settings can be misleading but I think Dotson showed some things that stood out against his fellow high ranked opponent and overall over the week. He is crafty with the ball and can get to the lane and draw fouls in the manner that Frank Mason was able to consistently in his career. When he shoots the ball consistently from the perimeter he's every part of a Top 30 player. Rankings sometimes don't accurately get the full picture because Rankings are also meant to project not just for the College level but also the future. With Dotson I think you can see he'll be a very good College Guard but might not be a first round type for the NBA so I think that limits how high he can be ranked. Also, I think he's closer to reaching his potential then some other guards in this class. If KU lands him I expect he'd compete for a starting spot as a freshman because I think he's been well coached and has the game that can immediately impact an elite team.
I think the PG class in 2018 is particularly strong this season. There are easily a dozen high level guards that can play on/off the ball and most of them project to play at least a year in College which is going to be exciting to see.
Great story and comparison.
We have known Bill Self long enough to know what he expects from his guards. He's tough on them and we wouldn't expect anything less. I wonder if the OAD type wouldn't be able to handle his "tough love". I'd love to see a top PG come here and accept that challenge.
I also think, us fans, want stability when gushing about our roster, especially the PG position. I know that myself, I think the PG position has become even more important with how the game is evolving. I'm not sure I want to be "fishing" every spring/summer for the biggest catch at that position. We've had far too many successful PG's who've stayed 4 years to think the OAD train would be best for Self's system. There is no perfect model but when Self and his PG are on the same page life is easier. Frank made coaching a tad easier because he truly understood what Bill wanted from him. Whether a OAD type freshman can do the same is debatable, we've yet to reel in the types to find out at the position.
@jayballer54 Thanks for unearthing these Svi stats. Have you his shooting percentages for those games?
Here's a name I don't think we've talked about mostly because I didn't know how much the staff has really been recruiting him with all the other targets KU has in front of him. He's an adidas kid and has seen his stock rise a ton since the spring. Rutgers, Virginia Tech, Xavier, Missouri, Uconn, Texas A&M are also on his list right now.
6'3-6'4 guard from Maryland ranked #74 on 247.. Recently cut his list to 7 with KU on it.
Here's what he said.
Heâs hearing a lot from the Jayhawks.
âTheyâre real good. Itâs Kansas. Itâs self-explanatory,â Mathis said. âThey contact me almost every day, so I think Iâm building a good relationship.â
He said KU assistant Norm Roberts is in regular contact.
âHe said he likes my motor,â Mathis said.
He went for 25, 6 boards, 3 steals, 3 asts and is a teammate of Quickley. They took down Zion's team.
Duke offered Matthew Hurt.. Good thing KU has plenty of other wing targets because that's likely a wrap!
Also 2018 PF Jermaine Harris a Top 75 DMV product down to 8 and just included KU after getting offered on Monday. Decent developmental big that could be a fall back option. West Virginia has had him on campus multiple times.
@BeddieKU23 I would love to land a few of these guys in the 70ish range with how our roster is set up next season. Especially if we return Preston or Doke. Or hell, if we get both back, look out.
Kcmatt7 said:
@BeddieKU23 I would love to land a few of these guys in the 70ish range with how our roster is set up next season. Especially if we return Preston or Doke. Or hell, if we get both back, look out.
I actually think we should be looking to add as much elite talent as we can get with next years transfers.
When you talk about losing Graham, Svi and most likely Newman off the perimeter and at the minimum Whitman in the post that is a ton of experience and scoring ability leaving the team.
The balance of the team will be shifting to whoever stays (hopefully a Sr Vick and Jr Doke) to go along with the transfers and hold-overs (Garrett, Lightfoot, Cunliffe). That's a solid 8 if Preston leaves, a solid 9 if he stays
KU could have a 3 man freshman class, carefully constructed and put an absolute stranglehold on the Big-12 and keep themselves at the front of the National Championship conversations for the next few years. The 3 I believe fit the best that KU is realistically involved with are as follows:
Quentin Grimes- We've talked plenty about him plenty, mom went to KU, he's the #1 priority at guard. Showed at the Adidas Gauntlet that he's an elite scorer with size for either guard position. When he shoots the ball like he did in his 41 point game in front of Bill Self he's exactly the type of guard that helps replace the production Graham/Newman/Svi are leaving behind.
Emmitt Williams- Just one of the toughest post players in any class and maybe the most athletic player in all of High School. At 6'7 he gives up some height but makes up for it with defensive versatility, rebounding and elite athletic ability with a growing perimeter game that he's shown off on the AAU circuit. He plays with a nasty streak on the court as if he's mad at something and that is the sort of toughness I'd love to see KU add in the frontcourt. If KU is looking to add someone to compliment both Lawson's old man game and Azubuike's power and athleticism you get the best of both worlds in Williams.
Devon Dotson- another we've discussed at length. Visited on his own dime during the season, is a play-making point guard, more of a traditional type PG then Grimes. I love his ability in pick and roll and he gets to the FT line at will which is a great trait to have coming into College where tight games can become all about FT shooting. He'd be the perfect compliment to Moore while grooming to be his future running mate.
Assuming both Newman and Preston are NBA bound after this year we could trot out some really exciting lineup combinations.
PG- Moore - Dotson
SG- Grimes- Garrett
SF- Vick- Cunliffe- Lawson
PF- Lawson- Williams
C- Azubuike- Lightfoot
Lots of lineup possibilities. Size, athleticism, shooting ability abundant through the roster. That's just 11 players. Self could then add 1-2 transfer possibilities in the spring to groom for the next cycle of recruiting.
@BeddieKU23 I feel your right about Emmit. - -I've noticed that same mentality that mean streak, just like he is mad at the world taking that aggression on the court.
Actually you know with that type of play who he reminds me of at least to an extent? - -You might not agree BUT I think he is a little like T- Rob in that way, T-Rob at times would just want to destroy the rim - -I remember the block he had against Mizzery at the end - - just down right mean -- nasty. - -That's what we need, some nastiness . Williams can bring that, would love to see him in a KU uni -Worried about Duke with him though - -sure he is 6'7 but plays much bigger. - -keeping fingers crossed for this one - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Yeah Emmitt will be a tough pull out of Florida, as Florida, FSU, are after him. Some recent schools that offered are Oregon and. Duke will most likely be out if they land Bagley which seems to be the new latest buzz. Matt Scott for whatever its worth says there was some buzz at Peach Jam that KU could be his destination. Take that for whatever its worth.
Matt's scouting report on Noah Locke after watching him drop 25 on Mokan
Combo guard. Can score from multiple spots in multiple ways. Catch and shoot, off the dribble, surprising hops. Decent length. He can really move without the ball and create enough space to catch and shoot very quickly and efficiently.
@BeddieKU23 That looks good, but I just can't imagine landing Grimes and Dotson while having 4-5 other guards already on the roster depending on how you think KJ fits in.
Well it looks like anyways there is some kind of movement in recruiting/news finally anyways. - - -Seems interesting that Noah Locke has kind of appeared from no where at least I myself hadn't really heard much on him - -how about any others? - - had you?
From the high light reel and yes I realize It is a highlight reel, looks like he has some pretty deep range, good handles, might be a nice addition, for what it's worth the CB now shows us with a sizeable advantage - -60% To Providence 20% Michigan 20%
Then shows where we have now pulled even with Florida for Emmit, where before we wasn't even or hadn't pulled any predictions - - -now 33% each then Duke lagging at 17% South Carolina 17% that if we can pull him would be sweet, like I stated earlier this guy comes with an attitude - -gotta love it - - --he brings it for sure.
I don't think if Locke did land at KU I don't feel like in anyway would this effect Grimes OR Dotson Locke I feel is a quality 4 year player, got a little floater kind of like Frank -but don't think he would scare Grimes off or Dotson for sure. I don't know things looks like to me that maybe this might turn out to be a little better recruiting year then I thought. - -We shall see, -Anyone know how we are shaping up with any other big then Willams? - - -of Course guess not really vital yet as we will have the boys from Memphis, just curious - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@BeddieKU23 I mentioned Mathis before, I thought he was trying recruit KU. However, it seems that KU is in constant contact. I would guess back-up plan. He or Locke would be a fine addition though. I don't think either impacts Grimes/Dotson. I do think maybe the Carey ship is sailing however.
Guards: Moore
Wings/not great ball handling guards: Cunliffe, KJ, Vick
Unknown: Garrett
Plenty of room for guards imo.
We will see how it shakes out but it is pretty evident that the staff wants at least two guards.
Locke seems suuuuuper happy about the KU offer.
jayballer54 said:
@BShark I have to agree with ya man, looks like the Carey possibility slacking with the news of these latest probably right. - -Whoever it is I think we are going to be just fine. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
He's most likely focusing on the local schools. Nova recently joined the heard on this one. We will see if he ends up visiting or not. Hes really damn good
BeddieKU23 said:
jayballer54 said:
@BShark I have to agree with ya man, looks like the Carey possibility slacking with the news of these latest probably right. - -Whoever it is I think we are going to be just fine. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
He's most likely focusing on the local schools. Nova recently joined the heard on this one. We will see if he ends up visiting or not. Hes really damn good
Makes sense. Nova probably realizes Quinerly is not likely now.
@REHawk Mykhailiuk, 6-feet-8 and 205 pounds from Cherkasy, Ukraine, hit 7 of 16 shots. He was 3 of 7 on three-pointers and 9 of 11 from the free-throw line. Mykhailiuk scored 25 points in Ukraineâs opening loss to Lithuania on Saturday. He had five threes in that game.
First game The 6-foot-8 Mykhailiuk, a native of Cherkasy, Ukraine, hit 8 of 17 shots. He was 5 of 13 on three-pointers and 4 of 5 from the free-throw line. He also had six rebounds, four assists, six turnovers and three steals in 35 minutes.
Per one of the Maryland 247 guys he was told that Locke was "looking for an offer from them", referring to KU.
Sounds like Locke wants to commit.
Honestly though if your Self do you take him yet when you don't have your 2 main targets with official visits set up yet.. I think you slow play this one and try and get him on campus after Grimes/Dotson have. This is where having insiders knowing what's going would help..
Insiders that aren't goobers anyway.
MS says that it doesn't impact Grimes or Dotson. That KU is losing a lot of players (mentioned Newman as leaving, tfwiw) and will need to sign a lot.
Also Locke's circle does see him as more of a combo/2 apparently.
All that said he is listed as a PG on most services and taking him early would probably be risky.
BShark said:
Insiders that aren't goobers anyway.
MS says that it doesn't impact Grimes or Dotson. That KU is losing a lot of players (mentioned Newman as leaving, tfwiw) and will need to sign a lot.
Also Locke's circle does see him as more of a combo/2 apparently.
All that said he is listed as a PG on most services and taking him early would probably be risky.
I don't believe MS when he says it doesn't impact them. Of course it does and the timing of things absolutely matters.
Locke is a really good shooter and would be a welcome addition with all the shooting this team will be losing at seasons end. I just think we need to get some other things squared away first. I'm not taking Locke before signing day if Grimes/Dotson are visiting in the fall and could possibly be committing. If Locke is as interested in KU as he says then you can pull the strings when you want to with him..
With all the offers out for guards I get the feeling the staff is preparing for Vick to be leaving as well. With the summer he's reportedly having I can see why they might be planning he could be that (6th) guy leaving.
Yeah depending on the situation, you can really wait. Look at Duke with Tucker.......
Agree though. It's a bad look to take him before Grimes or Dotson visit. Especially with the staff making it known to Grimes that he is the top guard target. Now if Grimes takes his visit, and then doesn't want to commit until spring time, then all bets are off.
Looks like Carey is likely to visit in October.
BShark said:
Looks like Carey is likely to visit in October.
Will be nice getting him on campus if it happens. I'd take him over others we are pursuing, just love his game and scoring ability. Imagine if Self could lock down 3 guards...
Three top 75 guards would surprise me. It would probably also lead to a transfer.
@BeddieKU23 Who leaves the program if that happens? A back up PG is the only real need for 2018 at this point as far as the back court goes. Moore, Vick, Garrett, and Cunliffe are all going to be around. There's also KJ Lawson as an option at the 3 depending on recruiting.
Where's the room for 3 more guards in 2018? There's no way Moore, Cunliffe, or Lawson leave because they aren't graduate transfer eligible yet and would you really want to lose Garrett after one year? Also, what guard recruits of the ones being mentioned would even want to come here to likely sit in the bench in 2018?
@Texas-Hawk-10 Bingo.
Realistically, the only way we see a freshmen start next season is if we land Romeo Langford or MAYBE Grimes. I'm not even sold on him being a major contributor in his first season if he comes.
We don't have a 2nd PG. But really that is it on the perimeter. Vick and Garrett are exactly what you want at the 2.
So really the only room we have is for a PG ranked around the 70s to come here and play 8-10 mpg. IF we can even talk one into doing that. We haven't been able to lately so I'm not even sold on that.
Now if Vick leaves, it really opens the door for PT. Otherwise, I'm not going to assume we land any guards inside the top 50. Not even one whose mom was an alum...
Texas Hawk 10 said:
@BeddieKU23 Who leaves the program if that happens? A back up PG is the only real need for 2018 at this point as far as the back court goes. Moore, Vick, Garrett, and Cunliffe are all going to be around. There's also KJ Lawson as an option at the 3 depending on recruiting.
Where's the room for 3 more guards in 2018? There's no way Moore, Cunliffe, or Lawson leave because they aren't graduate transfer eligible yet and would you really want to lose Garrett after one year? Also, what guard recruits of the ones being mentioned would even want to come here to likely sit in the bench in 2018?
Do you think Self is after all these guards for the hell of it?
I believe we've already discussed that Self thinks he's losing up to 6 players from this years team. 4 of them could be perimeter players. We have a lot of wings and 1 known ball handler after this year. Sounds like we have some openings
Grimes would start, especially if Vick goes. Need someone to get buckets/make shots. Actually this is why I'm a huge proponent of adding Carey or Locke. Not sold on Cunliffe, KJ or Garrett as great scorers. Cunliffe and KJ are chuckers and while I do actually believe Garrett can be efficient, a great team player and a distributor/creator, he doesn't have a super great shot.
The 2nd starting guard spot is absolutely available and being sold to recruits, mainly Grimes.
I don't think Vick and Garrett are what Self wants at the two anymore. I think he wants another player capable of actually dribbling and running the offense. An actual pg or cg if possible.
He's after them for the halibut, actually. :grinning:
Staff wants two guards minimum, this is known information.
@BeddieKU23 It appears Grimes is who Self covets most because he can play the 1 and 2 and back up those spots in 2018 and slide into the starting line up next to Moore and Garrett in 2019.
Vick is the question mark and why Self is staying some of these guys. Don't expect any guards that are early commits to commit to KU other than Grimes because of Vick's status.
If it becomes obvious that Vick is staying, expect KU to back off any guard who isn't a long term project in 2018 because of the lack of PT that will be available in 2018.
There's no reason why Vick should leave this year based on what his anticipated role in 2018 will be, but you never know and Self is preparing for that possibility which means keeping in contact with some 2018 guards.
Self is just preparing for the worst case scenario in terms of players leaving, could be as high as 7 if we're honest, Newman and Azubuike are assumed gone and Vick and Preston have been mentioned as possible early exits. Self is just preparing for the maximum so he doesn't have a repeat of 2011 when he failed to prepare for the possibility of the Morris twins leaving early and he had to scramble to get some guys then.
All Self is doing is due diligence on targeting players right now to prepare for the possibility of 6 or 7 leaving when the reality is probably only 4 or 5 are gone all that's available for 2018 is back up minutes at PG and the front court and even front court minutes are questionable to be available.
I don't see Garrett starting.
Who we are after, what it looks like, who we would like to have and what would be a realistic signing are all be completely different things. How are we going to split time with 4 guys at one position? If KJ, Cunliffe, Garrett and Vick are all back, those guys are all playing. KJ and Vick will start that season at the 2 and 3 because those two can straight up play D. Garrett will sub the 2 and Cunliffe with sub the 3.
I realize Self likes and has had success with starting two PGs. And of course if he can land one of these guys he is going to. But the obvious answer is that absolutely 100% Bill recruits guys just for the Hell of it. Throw out a line and see if you get a bite. You are sitting really well with a top 10 starting 5, anything you can land right now makes you NC level good. The fact of the matter is, most of these kids can go start somewhere else and play 30 mpg without competition. We aren't selling 30mpg to anybody right now except (Romeo Langford who is a bonafide stud) that isn't a post player.
Just think of the guys Bill visited with and wasted time recruiting that we knew weren't coming to KU.
You guys think that it is so rigid at the guard position:
When in reality it is more like this:
I can see how when you fill in the positions your way, it looks scary. But when I fill it out, I only see a glaring need at backup PG and C. Backup PG is going to be a guy ranked in the 70ish range probably. You aren't selling anyone else on 10 mpg. But you throw out the line in on some big names just in case someone falls in love with everything else KU has to offer.
What I'm wondering is why in the hell are we not in on all of the elite post players? Does Coach feel that good about Doke and Preston coming back for another season? If he does, then I'd understand. We may very well lose 4 guards, but we also could easily lose 2 posts leaving us with Lightfoot and Lawson. That isn't comforting in the slightest. Much less comforting than who is going to play backup PG.
Is Grimes actually enough of a creator to beat out 2nd and 3rd year guys? I sure haven't seen anything from him to make me think that. And I see plenty of scoring on that team.
That is 64 points and I'm probably low-balling a couple of guys. That doesn't include what Garrett or Lightfoot would bring off the bench or a 3rd post player. Fwiw, Lightfoot would put up another 7 ppg according to his PER 40 and adjusted down to 30 minutes. So 71 points with Garrett and a 3rd big tbd and probably the best defensive team HCBS would have in a while with all the length 2-5.
I'm trying to see it your way, but unless Vick goes this team is pretty much stacked full at the 2,3 and 4 spots. Unless you also think HCBS is interested in continuing the 4-out look which he has said he is not interested in doing.
@Kcmatt7 KJ is not necessarily starting at the 3 in 2018. I see him playing more of a stretch 4 role next year because it's been very quiet in recruiting as far as post players go for KU. I think Self is viewing KJ similarly to how he used Jackson last year because KJ can guard 1-4 and play on the perimeter and create match up issues like Jackson did. I'm not saying KJ is as good as Jackson, but with what's returning in 2018, KJ as a stretch 4 is a logical personnel move, especially is the staff is determined to sign 2 guards this year which would put them at 9 guards and wings for 2018 and that equals a lot of people not playing. Playing KJ as a stretch 4 opens up some garbage minutes while easing some potential front court depth issues.
I'll also say that center is not an urgent need either, at least as far as a starter goes. Dedric is a beast in the low post and KU would be just fine in 2018 with him anchoring the low post with Preston, KJ, or Lightfoot next to him at the other forward spot. KU has had plenty of seasons without a starting center and been just fine. D-Jax was a 4, Markeiff was a 4, T-Rob was a 4, Tarik Black was a 4. KU has had plenty of 4's anchor the low post over the years and Dedric Lawson down low won't be any different.
Now this we agree on, I think KJ is better suited as a utility player/stretch 4 than a traditional Self 3.
@BeddieKU23 and @BShark I agree with @Kcmatt7 and think you two are being way too rigid on what position guys can play.
Here's what I see and why I think back up PG is the only real need in the back court.
Charlie Moore: 1
Marcus Garrett: 1-3
Lagerald Vick: 2-3
Sam Cunliffe: 3
KJ Lawson: 3-Stretch 4
Moore is the only natural PG for 2018 as Garrett can handle the ball, but is probably more suited to an off ball role playing next to a PG.
This is why Grimes is the top target. He can play the 1 or 2 and fills that glaring hole at the back up PG role that KU needs for 2018.
@Texas-Hawk-10 agreed. Is there even a decent chance we get Grimes? Seems like landing some of the top recruits to fill "needs" has not always been a for sure thing.
Reid and Quinerly visiting on the 23rd of September. :coffee: :rolling_eyes:
@HawkChamp KU appears to be a strong favorite for Grimes at this point.
Texas Hawk 10 said:
@BeddieKU23 and @BShark I agree with @Kcmatt7 and think you two are being way too rigid on what position guys can play.
Here's what I see and why I think back up PG is the only real need in the back court.
Charlie Moore: 1
Marcus Garrett: 1-3
Lagerald Vick: 2-3
Sam Cunliffe: 3
KJ Lawson: 3-Stretch 4
Moore is the only natural PG for 2018 as Garrett can handle the ball, but is probably more suited to an off ball role playing next to a PG.
This is why Grimes is the top target. He can play the 1 or 2 and fills that glaring hole at the back up PG role that KU needs for 2018.
I disagree which is fine. We'll certainly find out this fall what's going to happen
KU was front and center for Devon Dotson last night.
Meyer was tweeting some stuff about Dotson saying he's a clear 5 star prospect. Says he's unselfish and defends. Surprised UNC wasn't "all in" for him.
Self watching Dotson again
@REHawk Svi scores 18 in loss
Kansas senior guard Svi Mykhailiuk scored 18 points on 6-of-18 shooting and grabbed nine rebounds in Team Ukraineâs 98-63 loss to Serbia on Wednesday at the FIBA Under 20 European Championships in Crete.
The 6-foot-8 Mykhailiuk, who was 3 of 11 on three-pointers, committed eight turnovers against two assists in 34 minutes.
Team Ukraine fell to 1-3 and dropped into the consolation bracket, which will determine places 9 through 16. It will meet Czech Republic on Thursday.
Mykhailiuk has had scoring outputs of 16 points in a loss to Israel, 26 points in a win over Latvia and 25 points in a loss to Lithuania.
Garret is tall for a PG but so was Magic and it worked out well for him. Keep in mind that Garret was POY in Texas while playing PG; he is a much better PG than he is given credit although I agree that he might be better suited as SG or even SF.
Also, Center and PF are now merging into one position and I really don't have a problem having one or two PFs down low instead of the so called Center...it is just semantics.
@JayHawkFanToo heard he was a good defender, hope that's right! Will earn him time.
Crimsonorblue22 said:
@JayHawkFanToo heard he was a good defender, hope that's right! Will earn him time.
Yep. If you hope to earn playing time for Coach Self, you better play defense...
@JayHawkFanToo I don't disagree that Garrett is a good enough PG to run the show in a pinch, I just don't see the need for him too barring injuries. Graham and Newman will do the majority of the lead guard stuff this year with Garrett as their primary back up. With both likely gone next year, Charlie Moore becomes the lead guard and Marcus Garrett likely slides I to the starting line up as the off ball guard. Factor in a potential PG recruit in 2018 and Markese Jacobs already signed for 2019 and KU appears to have the lead guard situation on lock down through the 2022-23 seasons unless Jacobs exceeds expectations and leaves early.
Can someone please explain what is meant by a "natural" point guard? Is it personality? Size? Dribbling and passing are talents any good player can develop, and shooting doesn't seem to be determinative since PGs sometimes score big but not always. Is there an innate quality people are referring to?
Or is it just a wrongly labelled way of saying someone is really good at it?
Natural = instinctive? Natural = talented?
Natural = developed skill set (i.e., not natural). Which is it?
@mayjay Instincts are a big part of along with natural skill. By natural skill, I mean what somebody is good at without working at that skill to develop and refine. Some players are naturally gifted dribblers, some are naturally great passers, and so on.
Landed Lucas for example. He is naturally a very stone handed player as in he bobbled a lot of passes and rebounds in his career. Other players have naturally soft hands that could reign in the most difficult passes and rebounds with ease.
PG's do tend to be the shortest guy on the team because rmthe PG us going to have the ball in his hands the most and less room there is between a player's hand and the floor, the lower the odds of a defender being able to time a dribble and steal the ball.
James Harden was essentially the Rockets PG last year and led the league in assists because if his vision and passing ability. He was also among the league leaders in turnovers because he got his pocket picked so to speak a lot last year because he's 6-6 and was often guarded by guys several inches shorter.
Natural ability is also why Frank Mason was/is considered a a great scorer. His natural instinct with the ball is to drive to the rim and create contact. If I'm comparing Frank Mason on offense to anybody in the NBA, it's James Harden because they do a lot of the same things with the ball I their hands and have a lot of the same instincts.
Natural PG is a guy that has the natural instincts, feel and overall propensity to play the position.
For instance, watch guys like Magic Johnson or Chris Paul. They do more than just understanding and being able to dribble, pass, etc. They understand where people need to be, and where they need to get the ball in order to score most efficiently. They know how to manipulate a defense with a dribble, or a jabstep, or a fake, in order to create a window to pass into or a lane to cut on. That's what natural PGs do.
Many young PGs are just kids that grow up with the ball in their hands because they are gifted scorers. They don't know how to move the defense to allow them to get easy shots for others. Natural PGs are guys that can get other guys to run the floor because guys know they will get the ball if they run with them.
It's a skill thing as much as an understanding thing, maybe even understanding moreso than skill (with the understanding that a minimum threshold of skill has to be present).
Letâs go through a couple of the schools.
A couple of the schools? Kansas, Arizona, Texas, and Baylor are the ones that are on me really hard right now.
Whatâs been Kansasâ message so far as to why youâd be a good fit for them?
Definitely I can play two or more positions on the court. I can play the one, the two, it really doesnât matter- I can come in with any big guard and score right away and play right away.
And be that combo type of guard that they're looking for...
Yeah.
Baylor?
Baylor, they really want me to come in and play right away and be an overall leader in my size and really just every school is saying I can play the one or two or maybe the three.
And Arizona?
Yeah, they donât really have a form point guard, like he said, a bigger point guard, and be a little bit better than previous point guards that theyâve had and things like that.
And finally, Texas?
I know Texas. A guy like Shaka Smart, I like the way he calls me every now and then- heâs not overbearing on me. So, he keeps it really good and professional.
Is that the approach you like?
Yeah, because heâs real upfront. He asked me, âHow do you want me to contact you?â and I said maybe once a week or twice a week and I like the way he has me with that control.
Thatâs good. What about your relationship with Matt Coleman?
Iâve known Matt since years ago, I have a little bit better relationship with him.
Heâs definitely a different type of guard than you.
Yeah, heâs pass-first, so I like thatâŚI donât have to have the ball in my hands every time, so I really like that about him.
What about fit for you? What are you going to be looking for?
A relationship with the coaching staff...definitely a relationship with them, and how they see me at that level and hopefully at the next level.
Do you need a track record of development?
Thatâll play into it, but it wonât be as big as style and coaching and things like that.
Whatâs the plan, in terms of when youâd like to decide?
Really donât have a plan as far as the fall or early spring.
How do you plan on announcing?
We havenât decided any of that. Weâre just trying to take our time right now.
Malik Hall in the High Choice group on 247. MS may be a goober but generally he is at least more accurate about who KU is really targeting.
Also UCLA made a bunch of offers to KU targets like Harvey and JRE. Harvey picked up a UCLA CB pick from Slater.
Grant Sherfield has fallen off a cliff in the composite rankings.
âIt was a dream come true, all my life I have been dreaming of having a blue blood school offering me and this finally happened,â he said. âI canât even explain how it felt, it felt great.â
Bill Self and his staff have told him what they find intriguing about his game.
âThey think that I fit into their playing style and think they can develop me into being a great player,â Locke said. âThey think that I can come and play right away with them losing some guards.â
@BShark When it comes to Harvey & Robinson Earl I could give a tinker rat's ass about UCLA offering and CB predications, I'm telling you right here and now if we really want Harvey & Robinson - -if we show any kind of even half way moderate interest - -they are ours to lose - - especially Harvey.
Harvey has been to so many games in Allen Been to late night totally in love with the School, the only way I could ever see us losing Harvey is if the Staff just totally backs off and shows the kid no love no respect and tells him there is just not a spot for him. Same pretty much same story with Earl, these two kids have had KU targeted from day one. - -Again UCLA DOES NOT scare me in the least little bit with this recruitment. - -If we do lose these local guys that have major interest in KU - -then ya we got issues with out staff and who they target. - -When you got kids with talent in your own backyard, and those kids want to come and deserve the chance - -and you let other College come in and take those kids - - you have issues, I could see if these guys were marginal players on the borderline but when they are as talented as these two are, which I feel their rankings will continue to rise, we have to land these guys period, and I feel Coach Self understands this. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Just read some tidbits from zags blog. -- - - Darius Garland cut his list to six Friday and they were : Kentucky, Indiana, Duke, Vanderbilt , UCLA & KU. -- Said Duke , KU, Vanderbilt, & UCLA all fighting to get that first official visit.
Then my Boy Devon Dotson, we all know how I feel about him, even though I think we have slide a bit, story read he was the most impressive player at the Under Armour All American Camp this week- -needs work on his outside shot BUT was hitting from all over this week., - - - Sitting up officials with Arizona , Florida , & KU - - still has list of 8 schools, Arizona, KU , Florida, Maryland, Miami, Wake Forest, USC & Ohio State- - - looking to cut his Schools after the live period. - - - -Said about KU: KU style fits his style, said they were telling him looking for a guard to come in and lead from day 1 and they think he can be that Guard. - - -Man Would really make my knees tremble shake and Buckle if somehow we could land Dotson & Grimes both - -I mean Jumpin - -Gee - - Hossa - - Fats that would be really sweet. - -Hey doesn't hurt to dream, we shall see. - -ROCK CHLK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I'm gonna give you Garland's real final 6.
Duke, Duke, Duke, Vanderbilt, Duke and Duke.
Well, just sitting here trying to kill time - - and amusing myself. Did some looking up from 247. Some things kind of interesting. Things I found out, like out of the top 150 recruits for 2018 - - - -1/3rd - - have already verbal committed. - - 20 out of the top 50 , - -42 out of the top 100, that's quite a few, yet zero verbal for KU.
KU lowest ranked player they have at least shown some kind of interest in is ranked at # 84 ( Jaedon Le Dee ). - - - KU was mentioned in some shape or form by 21 kids or KU mentioned them out of the top 150 for the 2018 class. - - -- - -out of the 21 - - -KU received only 6 of any kind of predictions, yes I know it's the CB but still, only showing 6 of these kids have talk to analysts to where they are lead to believe that KU may be a really serious contender at this point.
KU has been listed in what looks like to be either the players preference of the top 5 schools considered for by the other 15 though just haven't received any predicts.
A thing I found interesting is, we have 3 visits scheduled, yet none of the three are we considered the favorite to land any of the three. Two of the three visits are Pg's - ( Immanuel Quickley on 9-2 - - Jahon Quinerly on 9-23 - -then a PF Nazreon Reid on 9-23 ), But yet the 4 kids that we are considered to be leading on or in a dead heat for 3 pg's and a Pf ( Quentin Grimes, Devon Dotson, Jalen Carey, Noah Locke, & Emmit Williams we have no visits set up for yet.
A question I ask also is - -worst case scenario, Would we take Ayo Dosunmu the 6'4 Combo he really is only showing any kind of love to is Illinois and us. - -We want him? I think could be a quality 4 yr player # 29 in top 100 - - -OR would we rather have David Duke # 47 Combo - -he is really only showing interest in Providence & KU - - now both Dosunmu & Duke are showing 100% for others at this point but I think if we push those things could/would change if we really wanted. - -Holler let me know what ya think. - just bored and doing some KU investigating lol - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@jayballer54 watch espn
@Crimsonorblue22 They have nothing right now - -not into the golf thing and don't believe any base ball and know no Basketball lol - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@jayballer54 you missed team foe playing. They were up by 25 and lost
@Crimsonorblue22 WTH - - how do you manage to do that lol? - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@jayballer54 ugly
Crimsonorblue22 said:
@jayballer54 you missed team foe playing. They were up by 25 and lost
ELIIIIIIJAH
KU offered Keldon Johnson, he was in Lawrence over the weekend playing in the big AAU tourney.
He wants a UK offer and looks like he might get one soon. That will end that recruitment. Texas was the front runner
Looks like Grimes is gonna visit KU twice.... Seems optimal.
BShark said:
Looks like Grimes is gonna visit KU twice.... Seems optimal.
Gotta love MS dissing the other "insider" only to find out Bossi talked to Grimes over the weekend and got the same information from him..
I'd say split the difference and say visits once. Twice, well we'd have to feel even better about our chances at that point
Dotson's latest Q&A with Slater.. Positives for KU.
Florida is definitely the other contender with Miami, Maryland & Arizona pushing for him as well. I think Dotson will sign in the fall.
Florida insider seems to think they have him..
Yeah just...lol at that situation. And yeah if he visits twice...the second might be as a commit or easily seal the deal. I know he has mentioned signing late but you never know.
Florida insider lol.
BShark said:
Yeah just...lol at that situation. And yeah if he visits twice...the second might be as a commit or easily seal the deal. I know he has mentioned signing late but you never know.
Florida insider lol.
Yeah if we lock in both visits great but until he does I just assume we'll only get the official once other schools put pressure on him to visit etc and he runs out of time to go on his own dime. If he officials before Late Night then comes back for LN I can see that being a situation that greatly benefits getting him to sign early.. I'm not Coach but that is the situation I would be pushing for
BeddieKU23 said:
Dotson's latest Q&A with Slater.. Positives for KU.
Florida is definitely the other contender with Miami, Maryland & Arizona pushing for him as well. I think Dotson will sign in the fall.
Florida insider seems to think they have him..
Ya Since I've read his latest this morning, now am leaning more towards what you said previously. - - -Sounds to me like more and more this will end up coming down to a KU/Florida battle in the end run. Miami there, BUT just the way I read into things sounds like these two to me. He said he had already been on the KU campus unofficially this past Jan, and after he cuts his schools after the live period and makes his visits I just feel we make that cut & then he will make his official visit here. I understand Arizona is one of the eight, but on this one I don't think they play as much of a factor as in others. Be nice to get him on a 2nd visit.
This has been my guy this recruiting season, liked him from the get go. He came away from KU with a pretty good impression " REALLY LOUD saying he thought his ears were about ready to fall off, Super loud, and they fans with the chants" Devon is a very strong ball handler, the article says he dominated the Under Armour camp, leading in points, and Steals. Was asked what he wanted to work on in August and he said his outside shot, & consistency. They also said that a lot of pg's are a little soft but opponents who have played against Devon say they feel it after a game against him - - -his response is he likes to play physical - -play hard.
Of our competition for him Devon stated that Florida has been in contact with him Forever and he has formed a great relationship with the staff. -- This is why really important to get that 2nd visit here. One thing I have found a little interesting with Devon, him being from Carolina that none of the Big time Schools are in his final 8 Duke, N Carolina, N C State, - - and no Kentucky either, just a little different this time for a change lol. He States Miami is stilla serious contender also still BUT again I think now it is KU/Fl battle.
So question - -when does the live period end anyways, that's when he is cutting his list - -after that. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@BeddieKU23 He has already been to KU on his on dime back in Jan, - -and we make his list after he cuts, which I feel we will that will be his 2nd visit. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
jayballer54 said:
@BeddieKU23 He has already been to KU on his on dime back in Jan, - -and we make his list after he cuts, which I feel we will that will be his 2nd visit. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Are you talking about Grimes or Dotson. I was referring to Grimes in the post.
@BeddieKU23 Oh so sorry, my bad I thought you was talking about Devon sorry. - - Man it sure would be nice if somehow we were able to land Grimes and Dotson both. - - Not probably going to happen, BUT if we pulled that some way - - very nice. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Ok, so I have a question, I'm confused, what a surprise right? It's dealing with our recruiting, it concerns one 2018 recruit & one 2019 recruit.
The 1st one is 2018 recruit Nassir Little. Read an interview the Phog did with him. He was asked what schools was he hearing from the most/now? - - He said UCLA, Arizona, Oregon. NC, and Duke. Then he was asked what he was hearing from KU, he said KU liked his versatility and they feel they can play him at any position and create mis-matches, When they have smaller guards he could post them down low and the bigger guards he can take away to the wing or take them to the basket.
He says After the Summer probably will trim his list, and then some time next spring make his commit. - -Was asked if KU was stil in the mix he says FOR SURE.
Then 2019 Recruit Matthew Hurt. Again was asked who was the schools he was hearing from or who the main schools were ? -He stated Duke, Louisville, Minnesota, & Indiana. He was asked about the KU offer, he said they love his game, that he is KU's # 1 guy - -but then also said he was going to take recruiting process step by step - - -Said the one's he hears from are Howard and Self
Was then asked what he thought about KU ? - -Great Culture, Always finds a way deep into the tournament, &Great place to live. So here is where it is confusing to me, on both of these guys, if we suppose to be so much in the mix then why when they are asked who the Schools they are hearing the most from - - WHY is KU not listed by them? - - - -KU not listed on the schools who is on Little all the time but yet still definitely in the nix same with Hurt. -- If these guy are big time targets - -shouldn't we be all over these guys everyday like the others ?
Another name that came to surface, name might of already been mentioned but new for me - - - Montez Mathis ranked # 66 and is a team mate of Quickley. - His schools are Rutgers, Virginia Tech, Xavier , Missouri , U Conn , Texas A & M & KU. -- said the KU staff contact him almost daily really excited getting a KU offer - That Coach Roberts is a regular Contact. he is 6'4 guard he says KU has told him they like his motor. Says after the July Evaluation is over he plans on trimming his list - -then take his visits then set his date to commit. - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
jayballer54 said:
@BeddieKU23 Oh so sorry, my bad I thought you was talking about Devon sorry. - - Man it sure would be nice if somehow we were able to land Grimes and Dotson both. - - Not probably going to happen, BUT if we pulled that some way - - very nice. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
It would be the perfect situation if we landed both.
Both fill needs and both have been recruited with the same pitch that KU needs ball handlers and someone to play with Charlie Moore. What likely will happen is KU lands one of them and then takes Noah Locke who's a 4 star player that can shoot the J with the best of them in HS. That's probably a more realistic situation for KU but anything can happen. Self should be trying to land multiple elite guards because KU should be able to give them minutes
Little is going to be a 5 star wing by the end of summer. If he signs late we might have a chance but looks like Arizona has made him priority #1 according to what he said.
Hurt seems to be in no rush. Duke recently offered and they will be tough for him. Minnesota has his brother and if they continue to improve in the Big-10 he could stay home and play with him. I'm not as high on Hurt as his ranking suggest. Great versatility at his size but the recent updates about him suggest he's going to struggle defending at the next level. We'll see how he progresses going forward.
Mathis is a backup plan but could be one KU looks to take with either Grimes/Dotson. Matt seems to think KU isn't in his top 2 choices right now.
I believe the live period ends after this weekend.
jayballer54 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Dotson's latest Q&A with Slater.. Positives for KU.
Florida is definitely the other contender with Miami, Maryland & Arizona pushing for him as well. I think Dotson will sign in the fall.
Florida insider seems to think they have him..
Ya Since I've read his latest this morning, now am leaning more towards what you said previously. - - -Sounds to me like more and more this will end up coming down to a KU/Florida battle in the end run. Miami there, BUT just the way I read into things sounds like these two to me. He said he had already been on the KU campus unofficially this past Jan, and after he cuts his schools after the live period and makes his visits I just feel we make that cut & then he will make his official visit here. I understand Arizona is one of the eight, but on this one I don't think they play as much of a factor as in others. Be nice to get him on a 2nd visit.
This has been my guy this recruiting season, liked him from the get go. He came away from KU with a pretty good impression " REALLY LOUD saying he thought his ears were about ready to fall off, Super loud, and they fans with the chants" Devon is a very strong ball handler, the article says he dominated the Under Armour camp, leading in points, and Steals. Was asked what he wanted to work on in August and he said his outside shot, & consistency. They also said that a lot of pg's are a little soft but opponents who have played against Devon say they feel it after a game against him - - -his response is he likes to play physical - -play hard.
Of our competition for him Devon stated that Florida has been in contact with him Forever and he has formed a great relationship with the staff. -- This is why really important to get that 2nd visit here. One thing I have found a little interesting with Devon, him being from Carolina that none of the Big time Schools are in his final 8 Duke, N Carolina, N C State, - - and no Kentucky either, just a little different this time for a change lol. He States Miami is stilla serious contender also still BUT again I think now it is KU/Fl battle.
So question - -when does the live period end anyways, that's when he is cutting his list - -after that. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Florida has the biggest need for a PG out of any of the teams involved. KU is next after that. If its down to relationships its going to be a KU/Florida battle. If he takes his visit to Arizona things can change, kids come back from that visit and don't go anywhere else. I'm stunned Quinerly didn't commit after his official but he seems to be content on going through the free trip process first.
Just a follow up to Little and the Wing Position.
I think KU would be wise to wait out for RJ Barrett.
If Zion goes to Kentucky, Duke lands Reddish then KU has a great chance to position itself for Barrett once he announces his reclassification.
I know we have a ton of wings but you clear the sea for Barrett if he wants to come. He knows about Wiggins and I'm sure Jackson helps us there as well.
KU has a real chance at Barrett.
BeddieKU23 said:
jayballer54 said:
@BeddieKU23 Oh so sorry, my bad I thought you was talking about Devon sorry. - - Man it sure would be nice if somehow we were able to land Grimes and Dotson both. - - Not probably going to happen, BUT if we pulled that some way - - very nice. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
It would be the perfect situation if we landed both.
Both fill needs and both have been recruited with the same pitch that KU needs ball handlers and someone to play with Charlie Moore. What likely will happen is KU lands one of them and then takes Noah Locke who's a 4 star player that can shoot the J with the best of them in HS. That's probably a more realistic situation for KU but anything can happen. Self should be trying to land multiple elite guards because KU should be able to give them minutes
Some people think there isn't PT available but yeah I agree with your take.
Dotson and Grimes would be perfecto. Dotson a pure point and Grimes could play off him.
BShark said:
KU has a real chance at Barrett.
Good call my friend , we just possibly might be able to get this to work. The kid is an Animal ya only listed at 6'6 but still just a freak. Article says Duke, Kentucky, Michigan, & Oregon are considered front runners but Arizona, KU, Texas, & UCLA right there also. Then with the CB - -again it's the CB but yet they have Duke at 57% and then KU at 29% and then Kentucky at 14% - -sounds like he might be seriously considering to re-classify to 2018 - - - interesting to see how this turns out
Also read that Cole Anthony who is ranked the # 1 pg in the class of 2019 says that Louisville, Indiana, Miami, & KU are the one's that he is hearing a lot from. - - Some mention of him being like a Kyrie Irving with a bounce. - -nasty crossover over - -then when you look at his list of top 5 schools shows that at this point KU is the only of the 5 with warm - - hmmmmm. - - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
jayballer54 said:
BShark said:
KU has a real chance at Barrett.
Good call my friend , we just possibly might be able to get this to work. The kid is an Animal ya only listed at 6'6 but still just a freak. Article says Duke, Kentucky, Michigan, & Oregon are considered front runners but Arizona, KU, Texas, & UCLA right there also. Then with the CB - -again it's the CB but yet they have Duke at 57% and then KU at 29% and then Kentucky at 14% - -sounds like he might be seriously considering to re-classify to 2018 - - - interesting to see how this turns out
Also read that Cole Anthony who is ranked the # 1 pg in the class of 2019 says that Louisville, Indiana, Miami, & KU are the one's that he is hearing a lot from. - - Some mention of him being like a Kyrie Irving with a bounce. - -nasty crossover over - -then when you look at his list of top 5 schools shows that at this point KU is the only of the 5 with warm - - hmmmmm. - - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Yeah Jerry isn't hearing anything, they shut his recruitment down for the summer and didn't go to end of the July AAU tourney's. It's funny that they are "hearing information" when he's home in Canada right now.
He may very well be considering Duke/Kentucky but once they start landing elite players at his position this fall I think its hard to expect him looking at them. Kentucky seems poised to get Zion and Louis King who play Barrett's position. Duke has Reddish in the bag as well.
Oregon with their Canada pipeline could be an interesting team to watch.
As for Cole Anthony, he's one of the top 2 point guards in the 2019 class. Duke definitely has their sights set on Anthony as well.
I think Ashton Hagans is just as good, maybe better then Anthony. Anthony gets more pub because Hagans runs with Adidas. KU has started to recruit both and I hope we continue to pursue them
Dotson is running with Zion this weekend in Vegas. Playing Lamelo Ichuckthebasketballattherimanddon'tplaydefense Ball today! Good opportunity for Dotson to show out against the media train Ball's
BeddieKU23 said:
Hurt seems to be in no rush. Duke recently offered and they will be tough for him. Minnesota has his brother and if they continue to improve in the Big-10 he could stay home and play with him. I'm not as high on Hurt as his ranking suggest. Great versatility at his size but the recent updates about him suggest he's going to struggle defending at the next level. We'll see how he progresses going forward.
If KU ends up with JRE + Chandler Lawson but not Hurt, I don't think anyone is going to be too broken up about it.
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Hurt seems to be in no rush. Duke recently offered and they will be tough for him. Minnesota has his brother and if they continue to improve in the Big-10 he could stay home and play with him. I'm not as high on Hurt as his ranking suggest. Great versatility at his size but the recent updates about him suggest he's going to struggle defending at the next level. We'll see how he progresses going forward.
If KU ends up with JRE + Chandler Lawson but not Hurt, I don't think anyone is going to be too broken up about it.
I'd rather have both of those that you mentioned then Hurt. We are likely in a great position for both as well both by connection and the position likely having a bunch of minutes to give them. Hurt is a big time player but I don't think he's the greatest fit at KU. Those things will sort themselves out as 2019 class becomes the centerpiece of things.
@BeddieKU23 Agree. I mentioned it before I have a hard time seeing KU take 3 players that play a similar position/role. You can't find minutes for all of them and they are all top 25 recruits that need minutes. Lightfoot will still be around and I'd bet KU adds a multi-year post in the 2018 class. And yeah rankings can be a bit tough to figure sometimes, with Hurt well he definitely has potential but part of the ranking might be how he projects at an NBA SF, which I don't care about at all. JRE is a grinder that would flourish under Self.
So an aside here: how has 247 not stopped those multi-board threads yet? Maybe they like the fighting because it drums up page hits but damn I just went through that Barrett thread and it's embarrassing all around.
@BShark :
The multi-board threads are a disaster. They always end ugly.
The Duke faithful have been fed months and months of Barrett is going to Duke crap along with every other top prospect they have sniffed around on. They will get some like they do every year but its utterly insane how bad they act over the smallest thing.
When Duke lands Reddish I don't know how they sell Barrett. Just as Kentucky with Zion. Calipari will probably tell RJ he can play PG and C if he wants so maybe Kentucky can still convince him but logically I would think RJ will be looking past the "two recruiting powers". Hopefully that's the case and KU puts in the effort to get him on campus
@BeddieKU23 Yet if you were to ask Oregon people about RJ and they are going to tell you that is pretty much a sure thing he is going to commit to Oregon because of there Canadian Pipeline lol - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
jayballer54 said:
@BeddieKU23 Yet if you were to ask Oregon people about RJ and they are going to tell you that is pretty much a sure thing he is going to commit to Oregon because of there Canadian Pipeline lol - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Oregon will probably be in this. His friend Kigab who he just won gold with is going to Oregon. Shittu another one of his buddies is considering Oregon as well.
But Oregon fans are overplaying the Canadian angle a little too much when it comes to the type of recruit Barrett is. They tend to get underrated guys, not the best prospect in the class. The 2 best Canadians in recent years have been Andrew Wiggins and Jamal Murray who went to blue-bloods KU and UK. So Oregon's pipeline has little to do with guys of that stature. It's funny what people will bicker about when this kids recruitment is far from being over
BeddieKU23 said:
@BShark :
The multi-board threads are a disaster. They always end ugly.
The Duke faithful have been fed months and months of Barrett is going to Duke crap along with every other top prospect they have sniffed around on. They will get some like they do every year but its utterly insane how bad they act over the smallest thing.
When Duke lands Reddish I don't know how they sell Barrett. Just as Kentucky with Zion. Calipari will probably tell RJ he can play PG and C if he wants so maybe Kentucky can still convince him but logically I would think RJ will be looking past the "two recruiting powers". Hopefully that's the case and KU puts in the effort to get him on campus
Duke's GONNA SIGN 10 KIDS according to that one poster. That'd be something...
Matt Scott pretty much confirmed it with Barrett in a VIP post. He was hedging and obviously it's harder to trust him after Trae Young but it lines up with stuff I was reading elsewhere.
Some more pub for Dotson. Really doing his thing this summer. Have to think he'll be moving up.
From Rivals: Which player is the most talked about among college coaches?
Two guys seemed to be discussed by college coaches more than others: Devon Dotson and Tyler Herro. Dotson has continued to go up against some of the top point guards in his 2018 class and come out on the other side as the winner of each battle. He has been described as a bad dude, the perfect phrasing for the competitive nature and consistent winning background of the Carolina native.
Where Bill was off to rectuing recently- Mayhem:
@BeddieKU23 That's my boy lol - - just keeping fingers crossed. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
dylans said:
Where Bill was off to rectuing recently- Mayhem:
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/20167079/with-massive-crowd-hand-lamelo-ball-zion-williamson-showdown-goes-on â
Tell me I'm dreaming, Don't wake me up. Even though feel chances with Zion are very slim - -it was sooooooo, sweet to see him school Ball on more then one occasion. One trip down the floor Ball was guarding him - -well I'll use that term very loosely and Zion left him holding his strap finished with a monster flush, Another time Ball's lazy pass - -Zion steals and flush. Man I love anything making the Ball clan look stupid and Zion did EXACTLY that, Where ever Williamson lands that School is getting a stud. - -Williamson took on THREE defenders one time and finished plus one - -just crazy. - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Zion is crazy good. At this level there is literally no one at his size that can stop him. Haven't seen that since Lebron.
@BeddieKU23 Living in SC, I am looking forward to this HS season here, and all of the attention ZW will get!
@BeddieKU23 The downside
about him being local in South Carolina is, of course, the fact that it seriously reduces KU's chances of getting him since 4 other big contenders are close enough for him to play in front of family almost every game. UK, UNC, Duke, and SC.
mayjay said:
@BeddieKU23 Living in SC, I am looking forward to this HS season here, and all of the attention ZW will get!
Oh you know he will be getting ALL KINDS of attention, but hell he is use to that already - -absolute animal. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@BeddieKU23 Ya he really has some tools, wish there was a way for us to snag him lol - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I see that some guys we recruiting have been invited to the Steph Curry SC 30 select Camp that's happening from August 6th-8th:
The 4 that I saw, that stuck out were, Devon Dotson, Jahon Quinerly, - -and then Reed - -then was good to se kind of surprised me a little, was Robinson Earl - -had been invited - -awesome.
Some other notables : - - Bol, Bol -- -Cameron Reddish, Cassius Stanley, Jontay Parker, Keldon Johnson, Moses Brown, Scottie Lewis, & Bryan Antoine - -23 players invited. - -- -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
mayjay said:
@BeddieKU23 The downside
about him being local in South Carolina is, of course, the fact that it seriously reduces KU's chances of getting him since 4 other big contenders are close enough for him to play in front of family almost every game. UK, UNC, Duke, and SC.
The most recent chatter that's been circulating has him going to Kentucky to play with Quickley. Quickley is also visiting KU but last month said Kentucky was his leader. Probably going to be tough if he follows through with that
You know, were sitting in pretty good shape on 2019. If we could close on these three # 22 Chandler Lawson - - -me I feel that he is now a brainer, feel he is ours, get him , ranked the # 4 PF - - - -Land #23 Robinson Earl, which I feel pretty good about the # 5 PF - - -then land # 27 Harvey out of Topeka Hayden also got pretty good feel for # 2 CG - -then even be in the hunt for RJ Barrett I would say we had a monster year. - -Harvey made a pretty big jump they updated the rankings on the 24th of this month and this is where they stand - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Question: Do any of you that are local attend any of the AAU tournaments in Lawrence or KC to see the recruits up close? Can anyone attend? Hard to get a seat? Just curious.
Well I read where my favorite - -Devon is visiting Arizona from the 1st-3rd of August, might be bad BUT still believe its KU/Fla . He said he is still going to visit KU & Florida. -I don't think the Pillsbury pop and dough boy Miller gets this one. Bagley visiting there to, stills says he gonna visit KU - -whoopee we know where he is going.
On a little side bar USC trying to score brownie points with Bagley parents, offered all THREE Bagley's while he is on his visit - -now there is an idea lol. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
5 star recruit Mitchell Robinson is back on the market from Western Kentucky.
And look who just happens to have a open scholarship available in need of a big.
@BeddieKU23 omgosh! He's really good! Isn't that where coleby went?
Crimsonorblue22 said:
@BeddieKU23 omgosh! He's really good! Isn't that where coleby went?
Yes. The entire reason he went to WKU was because his godfather was on staff. Williams left the staff earlier this month and now Robinson has left as well. The problem for Robinson now is that he had already enrolled in classes at WKU. Not sure how it works but he probably won't get a full release I'm guessing. I had read oversea's could be an option for him as well. If by miracle he does get released to play this season I'd hope KU was after him. How many schools have open scholarships this late ya know?
jayballer54 said:
Well I read where my favorite - -Devon is visiting Arizona from the 1st-3rd of August, might be bad BUT still believe its KU/Fla . He said he is still going to visit KU & Florida. -I don't think the Pillsbury pop and dough boy Miller gets this one. Bagley visiting there to, stills says he gonna visit KU - -whoopee we know where he is going.
On a little side bar USC trying to score brownie points with Bagley parents, offered all THREE Bagley's while he is on his visit - -now there is an idea lol. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
We should be scared of this visit. Dotson has been eating up what Miller has been selling.
Still going to visit doesn't mean he will. We don't have a date for his visit as of today. I'm not trying to say anything but without a visit lined up, he could pop for them. We better pray he leaves Tuscon without committing
BeddieKU23 said:
5 star recruit Mitchell Robinson is back on the market from Western Kentucky.
And look who just happens to have a open scholarship available in need of a big.
Dam, could we possibly get that lucky? - - -JAYHAWK FOR LIFE
@BeddieKU23 What do you mean a full release? - - Could he be another transfer? - -but then he would have to sit out - -that wouldn't work with what we got and possibly coming next year. - -jAYHAWK FOR LIFE
@BeddieKU23 KU isn't landing Dotson period. Grimes is priority and KU isn't getting both them. I also don't know if Arizona gets Dotson either considering they already have Brandon Williams inked. I'd rather Grimes anyway because he fill the bigger need for KU.
@jayballer54 No, he wouldn't have to sit out because he's leaving before classes start. Just like Whitman won't have to sit out either because of the timing of his departure.
I disagree
@BeddieKU23 KU flat out is not signing 2 top rated PG's in 2018 when they already have Charlie Moore who will have spent a year in the program at that point.
Here is the NCAA guidance that seems on point:
Transfer trigger: A condition that affects your transfer status. A transfer student is a student who transfers from a collegiate institution after having triggered any of the conditions:
-Enrolled full-time during any term and attended class or in Division I if you are enrolled full time and are on campus on the opening day of classes.
-Reported for a regular squad practice.
-Practiced or competed while enrolled less than full-time..
-Received institutional financial aid while attending summer school.
(Italics added)
Whitman played but was he there for the first practice for Italy? That might not be considered a "regular practice"; he apparently did not enroll for the summer term.
Even if someone enrolls early, it looks like they have to be there on the first day of classes for the transfer rules, like a season out, to get triggered.
You can say what you feel as you have and I don't agree
@BeddieKU23 Then explain the logic of how KU signs two 5 star PG's when they will already have a top 50 PG already on campus and in the system for a year?
@mayjay The Italy trip is not NCAA sanctioned which is why the transfers are eligible to play so those practices have no impact on transfer eligibility. The reason why the rules read the way they do are for the schools that are on the quarter system as opposed to the semester system. I don't know what WKU's academic calender looks like whether they run on a traditional calender or on quarters, but quarters don't usually start until late September or early October and practices don't start until mid October. Even if the WKU kid waits until after the Italy trip to come here, there's nothing that would stop that from happening and from him playing for KU this year.
@BeddieKU23 Yep. From the Louisville paper:
"Robinson arrived in Bowling Green on July 9 and attended summer school for two weeks prior to his departure, the report said."
I guess if that wasn't a "term" under the rules he would not need a waiver, but that seems really unlikely.
More on Robinson, including his background of drama at WKU, which I'd forgotten:
Trainwreck of a situation but if he can play this year I think he is a take. However it is being floated that he will go to UNC or play overseas.
New names: Zion Griffin, Keyshawn Embery, Jalen Lecque (2019).
Terrence Hargrove Jr 2019 wing 6'6'' currently unranked
Zion Griffin 2018 wing/combo forward 6'5'' currently
unranked but on the rise, kid can BALL
Keyshawn Embery 2018 PG 6'3'' fringe top 200 guy
Jalen Lecque 2019 PG 6'4'' top 25 type talent major baller
KU watched all these players this weekend in addition to names you expect such as JRE, Harvey, N'faly Dante (MONSTER 2020 MEGASTUD CENTER), Malik Hall, Bryce Thompson, Ty Berry and Cole Anthony.
David McCormack unofficially visiting KU in August. Plans to return for an official as well. Good start with this guy.
Oklahoma St and Duke also heavily involved as well as a few others. OSU is working hard to unofficially cheat in his recruitment doing the old "we'll hire his AAU coach" and recruit his teammate hard.
BeddieKU23 said:
David McCormack unofficially visiting KU in August. Plans to return for an official as well. Good start with this guy.
Oklahoma St and Duke also heavily involved as well as a few others. OSU is working hard to unofficially cheat in his recruitment doing the old "we'll hire his AAU coach" and recruit his teammate hard.
Unofficially cheat. Dying. At least it's open I guess.
Glad to see the staff putting priority on him. I was beginning to wonder. He might be the best traditional post player in this class. I'd love to see him at KU and two visits bodes well but it's going to be a tough pull from Okie lite as things currently stand for the reasons you mentioned.
Yes Oklahoma St looks tough with how they are trying to get him to commit. My hope is he looks at the roster and see's 2 C's that he'd have to compete with. While KU literally has Doke and may/may not have him after next season and nothing else.
Definitely is one of the best traditional post players out there. I think his development would further continue with Hudy as he's a big that has reshaped his body over the years.
Getting 2 visits is very important in potentially landing him.
RJ Barrett is officially in 2018 class. Self's chance to land the next big time wing.
He's absolutely at the same level as Wiggins and Jackson were. He's a perfect fit at KU and would elevate next years team a whole lot
Texas Hawk 10 said:
@BeddieKU23 Then explain the logic of how KU signs two 5 star PG's when they will already have a top 50 PG already on campus and in the system for a year?
My logic is the same as it was before. We're losing multiple guards and we are recruiting multiple guards to fill those positions.
There is nothing else to say until the fall when these guards start making decisions
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Per Matt Scott: His mom went to KU and brother just graduated from KU. Kid blew up this weekend.
I see your point and makes sense. Also, KU emphasis/experiment with guard play last season (more due to happenstance than design) was very successful and I am sure recruits are paying attention and hopefully seeing unique opportunities at KU.
The staff has made it clear they want two guards in this class. Now, do they get two top guards? That remains to be seen but recent history would say no.
It will be important to see how the domino's at the PG position play out this fall. Everyone is waiting for someone to make the first move.
I'd be happy if KU got one of its elite guard targets (Grimes or Dotson) and someone like Noah Locke who's the prototypical Top 100 4 star recruit but fills a need that's leaving the team (perimeter shooting) after this season. Locke shot over 50% from 3 this summer. If KU can grab multiple elite guards to add to its roster then I think it would send a message into the recruiting world that KU and Self are still one of the top dogs out there.
Can we fly Mitchell Robinson out to Italy really quick? Do we think the staff put in a phone call at least? Would you take him?
I think he goes overseas, but I just figured I'd ask.
Sounds like WKU players were happy he's gone.
Probably the type of person you don't want, but the talent and need for a big of his potential would make it hard to pass up.
I thought he would have landed at LSU first time around. Wade has inspired life into a terrible basketball program. They don't have an open scholarship to give him but I'm sure those things just work themselves out
Well read where we picked up a couple more CB'S for Devon -- -that's my boy - -I know the CB'S are pretty much a mute point, - -well at least for the most part. - -Ayton is solid proof of that as he showed us 100% right up until the end. - -Anyways like I have said many times , Would be really sweet if we were able to land Grimes and Dotson both, add Williams that would be a pretty solid start for next year --- -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
KUSTEVE said:
@BShark What did he do?
Last Wednesday night, Western Kentucky freshman center Mitchell Robinson packed up all of his stuff and went back to his home in Louisiana without telling anyone at WKU. When he didnât report to a workout the next day, staff members went to his dorm room and discovered that it was empty.
On Sunday, Western Kentucky head coach Rick Stansbury traveled to New Orleans to meet with both Robinson and his mother. Robinson reportedly expressed that he was having second thoughts about attending WKU, and was wanting to leave before the new summer semester began and before the Hilltoppers team trip to Costa Rica next week.
On Monday, Stansbury announced that Robinson was suspended indefinitely for leaving campus. On Tuesday, the head coach released a statement announcing that Robinson was free to transfer.
Mitchell is a good kid, but the team will always be more important than one individual player," Stansbury said in a statement. "He needs to understand the value of structure and accountability in his life, and his return will be dependent upon requirements that will be handled internally.
From a Western Kentucky fan posting in KU board
Has nothing to do with being homesick at all. Has everything to do with him getting bad advice from "handlers" and people trying to cash in on him. Mainly his Godfather and former WKU assistant Shammond Williams. His mother wants him at WKU and not to listen to those other people. But he has a lot of people in his ear.
He has not gotten along with his teammates at WKU because he hasn't treated many of them with any respect. There is a whole lot more to this saga than what is being reported. The whole team has been better off since he went on "vacation" because he was quickly becoming a cancer in the locker room with his prima donna act.
BeddieKU23 said:
From a Western Kentucky fan posting in KU board
Has nothing to do with being homesick at all. Has everything to do with him getting bad advice from "handlers" and people trying to cash in on him. Mainly his Godfather and former WKU assistant Shammond Williams. His mother wants him at WKU and not to listen to those other people. But he has a lot of people in his ear.
He has not gotten along with his teammates at WKU because he hasn't treated many of them with any respect. There is a whole lot more to this saga than what is being reported. The whole team has been better off since he went on "vacation" because he was quickly becoming a cancer in the locker room with his prima donna act.
Obviously some sour grapes but otoh, this might be difficult to take on with the Lawsons already on board.
Wonder if when all is said and done, Self will think back on his transfer laden teams as fondly as his homegrown teams. I wonder if coaching professionals would be more enjoyable than coaching transfers.
jayballer54 said:
Well read where we picked up a couple more CB'S for Devon -- -that's my boy - -I know the CB'S are pretty much a mute point, - -well at least for the most part. - -Ayton is solid proof of that as he showed us 100% right up until the end. - -Anyways like I have said many times , Would be really sweet if we were able to land Grimes and Dotson both, add Williams that would be a pretty solid start for next year --- -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Did some research. Here's what led to the change in his CB.
*It's too soon to draw a red line through Dotson's name, but after appearing to gain ground on the Charlotte star this summer, it seems his recent research of the roster hasn't been good for Maryland. The Terps have an entrenched starting point guard in Anthony Cowan, so they'd have to incorporate Dotson with him. Is that a concern?
"Yes, yes it is. I think that he had a pretty good season. They kind of moved Melo off the ball, so [there are] concerns about how they would use him," Dotson said.
The younger Dotson visited Arizona this week and likely will visit Kansas and Florida before long. A decision might come soon thereafter so that he can claim his spot at whichever school he likes. So Maryland doesn't have much time to allay their concerns.*
Sounds exactly how KU was recruited against the last few years with Mason/Graham still around in regards to elite PG's. I also think the Dotson's don't have the relationship with Maryland that other schools have even with Wiggins in his ear. Florida is the main danger if the Arizona visit didn't change things completely.
FYI Bagley never made it to Arizona for his visit because they are out of scholarships.
KU out of it for Montez Mathis. Says Uconn, Rutgers, Virginia Tech his final 3
Grimes dropping his top 7 today.
I'm sure it will look like this: KU, Texas, Baylor, Texas A&M, Arizona & Marquette.
BeddieKU23 said:
KU out of it for Montez Mathis. Says Uconn, Rutgers, Virginia Tech his final 3
Yeah despite what he was saying I'm not sure he could have committed to KU. His final 3 kinda backs this up too.
BeddieKU23 said:
Grimes dropping his top 7 today.
I'm sure it will look like this: KU, Texas, Baylor, Texas A&M, Arizona & Marquette.
Not that it really means anything but I'd love to see UK and Duke not be on it. Arizona is always worrisome though.
BeddieKU23 said:
Sounds exactly how KU was recruited against the last few years with Mason/Graham still around in regards to elite PG's. I also think the Dotson's don't have the relationship with Maryland that other schools have even with Wiggins in his ear. Florida is the main danger if the Arizona visit didn't change things completely.
If PT is his only concern, he should pick Florida. It would make the most sense by far since KU has Moore on board already and really wants Grimes.
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
KU out of it for Montez Mathis. Says Uconn, Rutgers, Virginia Tech his final 3
Yeah despite what he was saying I'm not sure he could have committed to KU. His final 3 kinda backs this up too.
Yup seems KU kicked the tires but Mathis wants to go somewhere more to his level. I think the KU interest in Locke had something to do with that.
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Grimes dropping his top 7 today.
I'm sure it will look like this: KU, Texas, Baylor, Texas A&M, Arizona & Marquette.
Not that it really means anything but I'd love to see UK and Duke not be on it. Arizona is always worrisome though.
Yeah he probably does include one of them just because that is what kids do to keep people interested. His list will look "boring" without Duke/UK boards thinking they still got him.
I don't think he's in any rush to commit and could wait til spring as I've mentioned. He keeps deflecting in interviews that KU is the favorite but reiterates KU is on him daily.
Arizona is going to continue selling its soul to land either of Dotson/Grimes. More on Dotson in my next post to your reply.
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
KU out of it for Montez Mathis. Says Uconn, Rutgers, Virginia Tech his final 3
Yeah despite what he was saying I'm not sure he could have committed to KU. His final 3 kinda backs this up too.
Yup seems KU kicked the tires but Mathis wants to go somewhere more to his level. I think the KU interest in Locke had something to do with that.
Could be. I think Locke is better. Can't blame top 100-ish kids that want to go somewhere they won't get buried on the depth chart.
I can see Dotson picking Florida if no competition for the PG spot is what he wants. He also has a good relationship with White and the assistants.
Sean Miller has apparently told Dotson that he's switching to a 2 PG offense so that he can compete with what KU has been doing. Miller has become a lot like Calipari in that he's just going to tell kids what they want to hear.
BeddieKU23 said:
I can see Dotson picking Florida if no competition for the PG spot is what he wants. He also has a good relationship with White and the assistants.
Sean Miller has apparently told Dotson that he's switching to a 2 PG offense so that he can compete with what KU has been doing. Miller has become a lot like Calipari in that he's just going to tell kids what they want to hear.
I would imagine most coaches do that. But yeah Cal is notorious for it, no surprise Miller is the same way.
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BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Grimes dropping his top 7 today.
I'm sure it will look like this: KU, Texas, Baylor, Texas A&M, Arizona & Marquette.
Not that it really means anything but I'd love to see UK and Duke not be on it. Arizona is always worrisome though.
You got it all the ones you mentioned & Kentucky. The only school he dropped was Oklahoma. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Info dump from MS on the shiver. It's VIP.
BShark said:
Info dump from MS on the shiver. It's VIP.
Honest opinion of it all. Nothing stood out that someone who follows recruiting didn't already know.
There is no way all these guys are visiting KU that say they are likely to.
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
Info dump from MS on the shiver. It's VIP.
Honest opinion of it all. Nothing stood out that someone who follows recruiting didn't already know.
There is no way all these guys are visiting KU that say they are likely to.
Pretty much agree. It definitely requires some reading between the lines and Slater's input was quite good.
The one thing that surprised me is Langford.
I do appreciate the work he put into the Bible.
Gives everyone updates all in one thread instead of 10+.
But I think most fans want to know why particular recruits are leaning towards KU or not. The detail is missing in why? We all know which recruits Self and assistants were watching and for the most part nothing Matt reported was something you couldn't find in interviews etc. I still think the actual value is missing from The Shiver. Matt may just never be the guy that gets first hand knowledge of what's happening.
Well continuation from yesterday, saw yet another pick for KU and Devon today - - Jerry Meyer made a prediction today, again I know it's the CB and yet makes you wonder if these guys have picked up on something, looks like we are trending again for him shows now 90% for KU & 10 % for Florida.
You could probably do as well by tossing a penny and calling either heads or tails, and do as well but I mean you have to at least pay some kind of attention as this is these guys living, they are SURPOSE to have the inside poop, again your dealing with 17 & 18 yr old kids who change their mind at the drop of a hat - -just as quick as a light switch.
I've mentioned so many time even I can't remember but sure would be nice if we got both - -Grimes & Dotson. Question is, would one or the other come if say like Grimes has already committed - -or Grimes come if Dotson has already committed? Or would they/could they play together? - - So if it is just the one - -do we take whichever one commits first?
Side note see ya it's a distance away 2020 but the kid out of Newton - -Berry? - -looks like the next item coming out of Kansas. Looks like we are running through a little mini streak of some pretty decent talent. - - -Robinson-Earl, Harvey, Berry. I'm not complaining. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I think Dotson will commit first and Grimes could wait until spring. Meyer's money was on Maryland after the spring visit but he's now back to KU which can never be a bad thing. I'm glad there wasn't a bunch of CB's to Arizona after his visit this week.
Relationship, playing time, priority, have all been consistent for KU. Just have to get him here for his official visit and I think we get him
I think I made two threads for Berry. He is exciting. Probably gonna be a legit 6'5'' PG by the time he is a college FR. Gotta lock him up.
BeddieKU23 said:
I think Dotson will commit first and Grimes could wait until spring. Meyer's money was on Maryland after the spring visit but he's now back to KU which can never be a bad thing. I'm glad there wasn't a bunch of CB's to Arizona after his visit this week.
Relationship, playing time, priority, have all been consistent for KU. Just have to get him here for his official visit and I think we get him
Great sign. Florida is probably the biggest threat but it seems like KU is extremely well positioned.
BeddieKU23 said:
Matt may just never be the guy that gets first hand knowledge of what's happening.
He is a douche and has no actual connection with the program. Other guys seem to have some sort of in with their program. I mean all you need to do is befriend even someone as lowly as a team manager. Slip him a 20 or buy him a beer for just a little bit of info. I know that my buddy has picked up probably a dozen guys who visited KU in the last 4 years without a single report of them being on campus. Or getting word of who may or may not be transferring. Or who coach gave a recruits number to and told them to hit them up. I know that Self had all of the guards texting Malik in his first recruitment. Probably half the reason he transferred here.
These are the tidbits Matt should be sharing....
Kcmatt7 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Matt may just never be the guy that gets first hand knowledge of what's happening.
He is a douche and has no actual connection with the program. Other guys seem to have some sort of in with their program. I mean all you need to do is befriend even someone as lowly as a team manager. Slip him a 20 or buy him a beer for just a little bit of info. I know that my buddy has picked up probably a dozen guys who visited KU in the last 4 years without a single report of them being on campus. Or getting word of who may or may not be transferring. Or who coach gave a recruits number to and told them to hit them up. I know that Self had all of the guards texting Malik in his first recruitment. Probably half the reason he transferred here.
These are the tidbits Matt should be sharing....
Exactly. There is none of that, ever. He botched the Trae Young situation badly, the only recruitment he's ever had a shade of connection to.
I'm a big Florida St football fan and the 247 guys on there are some of the best in the business. They have sources, they get first hand access to information and they go out and get information for their paying subscribers. Just generally looking at other places, its the same for those fan-bases as well.
The few of us that follow recruiting do a better job of sharing information then he does
@BeddieKU23 Do we know, has he scheduled a visit t Ku yet? -- Seems like I remember reading he was going to schedule. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
jayballer54 said:
@BeddieKU23 Do we know, has he scheduled a visit t Ku yet? -- Seems like I remember reading he was going to schedule. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Nope, heard maybe end of August. Could be September. We'll see what happens but so far he doesn't have anything set up yet
500 posts in this thread. That's passion!
@approxinfinity Isn't this the third thread on this topic?
Well not sure if they are official OR in Official either way kind of looks like were not really involved/considered by Matthew Hurt anymore - - -if we ever were.
He has 4 visits set up - -Indiana - - -Louisville - - -Kentucky - -& UCLA and is working on visit with Duke & N Carolina - -boy you talk about dropping of a list. - - Might be though he is thinking about the possibility of Emmit Williams landing here and then KJ Lawson in 2019 plus good chance Of Robinson-Earl to much competition not sure but might be the reason - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@jayballer54 KU was involved with Hurt. JRE and Lawson are big priorities at the same position and both perceived as future Jayhawks. Looks like both sides have moved on.
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Carey's final 6, KU is on it. Doesn't mention KU as a school recruiting him the hardest. Seems clear that Self really would like Dotson and Grimes, if he could pick.
BShark said:
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Carey's final 6, KU is on it. Doesn't mention KU as a school recruiting him the hardest. Seems clear that Self really would like Dotson and Grimes, if he could pick.
Zag's has probably the least amount of cred in the business and is really East-Coast slanted in every article he runs. Not to say he isn't right, the local schools are coming at him hard.
We kicked the tires pretty good and I'd love to have Carey but doesn't look like that will happen. He's a kid I will follow, I think he's got NBA potential in a few years
Grimes will Official for Late Night and hopefully come back for a game in November!
@BeddieKU23 That's great news I would have to feel from a KU vantage point right? - - Wouldn't you think? - -I truly believe the way things are looking, the feel I'm getting if we can just get Grimes & Dotson both on Campus see and feel the environment I would have to really like our chances right? - -Especially late night, as we know the place is nuts - -recent recruits have all talked about how crazy the fans are - the environment - -how loud it gets.
I was reading off the Arizona board and there are posters there that feel Grimes is coming to KU to go along with Dotson hope that turns out right - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
The biggest disadvantage to him coming in for Late Night is the staff won't be able to spend as much time with him as they would if he came on a different weekend. I'm sure they will prioritize him among the group that comes and Late Night figures to give him plenty of opportunity to get a feel for how crazy it gets etc. Late Night is hit or miss with some. Hopefully it pays off.
If he officials and then visits for a game the following month that could be a telling sign. I don't get the sense from any of his interviews that he is in a rush to decide and I can see him not signing in November and waiting until the spring. Where will KU's visit fall in his other visit plans? 1st?Last Visit? etc.
I think Dotson will decide before him and if Dotson jumps on board first we could become more of an option, or less of an option if he feels the back-court is too crowded. I think Self has done a great job selling both of them on playing time and the type of offense where both can co-exist. Grimes is capable of running the PG position but his size leans more to playing the off-guard position (Newman's current place).
I'm excited that KU is in a really good position with 2 very talented guards. Usually KU is trying to make up ground but in this case I think we have had an edge at every step of the way for both. Landing 1 is a must, 2 is putting next years squad with a leg up on the Big-12 yet again
jayballer54 said:
I was reading off the Arizona board and there are posters there that feel Grimes is coming to KU to go along with Dotson hope that turns out right - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Just about everyone thinks Grimes will end up at KU. Even some UK people were not wanting Cal to bother. It would be a huge upset if he didn't pick KU. That said...we saw a case of that last year and no one knows 100% what is going on behind the scenes.
It's possible that his unofficial game visit will be as a commit.
The best part about Grimes and Dotson is neither likely projects as OAD but both are still very good. Those are the kinds of players you really want to prioritize imo.
@BeddieKU23 True, I read where the late night visit is going to in-official , which tells me that he is truly interestedfor sure, if he going to use his own expense coming then great - -like you say get back again for an official during a regular game - -I'm feeling good with these two. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Grimes has been on KU's campus on his own dime already. Staff needs to close here.
Late night is the ov now. Per multiple reports.
On the phog they are saying Robinson is visiting this weekend????
Crimsonorblue22 said:
On the phog they are saying Robinson is visiting this weekend????
Ok, so I have a question. I feel it's a legit question, some may think it's a crazy question. it's ok. The question is, if this guy wanted to commit to Kansas, would we want him? - - -Not eligible till 2019, has to sit a year for transfer.
Remember, we have a decent chance landing Williams which is ranked 18th in the class of 2018 and who knows may go up some, - -We have the Lawson's Next year, - - -Then we also have Robinson-[Earle good possibility in 2019. - -so do we want this kid? - -Heard he might and I say might be kind of a sore - -getting along with team mates and such - kind of selfish - -Sooooooo? yes or no? - If he were eligible this season, I might be more inclined to take him, just not sure if he is worth the risk for the team - -might be wrong. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Yes. Take him in a heartbeat @jayballer54 Try for a waiver, if not granted, well he probably starts at C for KU next year...
Williams is a PF. Gonna be tough to pull him with Dedric already on board anyway.
Something to keep in mind with Robinson is the 2018 class is very weak for quality bigs. If Bagley reclassifies then Robinson would be the #1 big in the 18 class if he was in it. So even if he does have to sit, he would be a good addition imo.
wow this is crazy news
But if he's not eligible this season I wouldn't count on the kid being here long enough to play the following year. There's a big mess around this kid and the people around him. Character should count and there's no reason to believe he wouldn't Whitman us and bail
He's a fantastic talent. Definitely the highest risk/reward factor we may have ever gotten involved with
WHOA.
Slater just Cb'd Zion to KU. He doesn't make these picks without inside information.
@BeddieKU23 Nice! He does play on the Adidas circuit and has said he likes playing with Dotson a lot and that they have discussed going to the same school.
BeddieKU23 said:
WHOA.
Slater just Cb'd Zion to KU. He doesn't make these picks without inside information.
Whoaaaa, wouldn't that be crazy, I too have read about how he liked playing with Dotson, I'll try and keep things in check BUT even the remote possibility just made me tingle just a little bit lol. - - I mean that deserves a JUMPIN - - -GEE - - HOSSA - - FAYS - - -sorry, got carried away. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@jayballer54 KU has always been in there pretty deep with Zion. Doesn't hurt that he's been playing with Dotson, that's for sure.
RockkChalkk said:
@BeddieKU23 Nice! He does play on the Adidas circuit and has said he likes playing with Dotson a lot and that they have discussed going to the same school.
Good point you made. That is potentially a very good thing Dotson and Zion played together. He also has said he would like to play with Quickley who's a Kentucky lock. We'll see, we'd hope Adidas has some pull here as it doesn't ever seem to be the case unlike with Nike's influence. We'll see if Slater has some good info (which he generally does).
Ok, now I'm dreaming a little - -but it makes me drool the thought even the remote possibility but hey that's what dreams are for right. - -How about this for a recruiting year for 18 - - - Grimes, Dotson, Williamson & Williams I could go for that - - Williamson - SF - - - Williams - PF - - then having Dotson & Grimes - -Grimes at the 2 - - & Dotson at PG - -I would take that in a minute lol - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Oh and this CB change, it comes on the heels of Slater doing a lengthy interview with Zion.
5-Star transfer Mitchell Robinson just put a picture of him in a Kansas jersey on his Snapchat story. A sign that KU may be involved?
Now if we land him our 2018 starting line up will feature 4 transfers! Moore, Lawson X2, and Robinson? All with a rs season in the system. Plug in Vick, Garrett and our starting line up looks Solid. That doesn't even account for anyone like Zion or if one of our bigs stick around for another year? We could be absolutely loaded for 2018!
Any way we could get a waiver on Mitchell so he could play right away?
KUSTEVE said:
Any way we could get a waiver on Mitchell so he could play right away?
That would be nice buddy , BUT it sounds like that would be highly unlikely, more chance that he would have to sit. -- -ROCK CHALK ALL ADY LONG BABY
@KUSTEVE I do not think Robinson has a chance of playing this year. It sets a dangerous precedence. Only way out is if he plays the card that he went to WKU because of his God Father or whatever and then he left and Robinson wanted out but was already stuck due to his LOI.
NCAA can't let him just leave and play somewhere else. Imagine how many kids would switch schools after the first time coach yelled at them... He will have to come up with one hell of an argument.
@BeddieKU23 Once he transfers he is stuck there unless he goes pro basically. NCAA only grants you one transfer, or two if you become a grad transfer. So unless Robinson wants to go play pro ball overseas or sit out and enter next years draft he will be stuck wherever it is he transfers to. I think that is a major reason Bill takes these guys.
If Coach Self lands this guy he has basically started a new 5 star transfer pipeline lol. Newman, Lawson, and Robinson. Basically three 5 star guys in the last 2 years. If he lands this one and he stays 2 years we will have a heck of a 2018-2019 team!
After reading Slater's interview, seems like Adidas is making a push on him. Good to hear Arizona dropped out of the race. UNC doesn't sound like they are in real contention.
I think it comes down to Duke, KU and UCLA. If we can convince Dotson to come to KU we might get the edge on him.
Langford is the same. I think Adidas made a hard push on him. Down to KU, IU and UL basically.
I think we land one of those two now that I see Adidas making moves.
At this point, if Self doesn't land 3 studs I am going to be very very disappointed. Between Langford, Dotson, Grimes, Williamson and Barrett we need to land 3 guys. Next year's team has amazing depth and will have solid veteran college basketball players. But what we will need desperately is some playmaking on the offensive end.
Now that we seem like w might be getting some love, with Zion, it will be huge to get him on campus for an official visit. - -If we could get him here say with Devon for a visit possible late night, couldn't ask for more. - -Gives a chance, at least it's a chance, even the field, let him check out the dorms, the facilities, the overall atmosphere, the environment - -can't hurt for sure. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Kcmatt7 said:
@BeddieKU23 Once he transfers he is stuck there unless he goes pro basically. NCAA only grants you one transfer, or two if you become a grad transfer. So unless Robinson wants to go play pro ball overseas or sit out and enter next years draft he will be stuck wherever it is he transfers to. I think that is a major reason Bill takes these guys.
There isn't anything stopping Robinson from going pro after this year if he has to sit. He will have met the minimum requirement. Whether the NBA will want him or not is a different story.
Character should mean something when going after this guy. The first impression he has made in College is not a good one. Yes he's a young kid, mistakes happen, kids change their minds. I know Self wants to have the most talented players out there but this one comes with a lot of red flags and questions.
I personally think he ends up at LSU. Kind of a Newman situation where he choose the wrong school first time around because of outside pressure
@BeddieKU23 Self would approach him like he did Newman and make it clear if he comes to Kansas its a 2 year ordeal if he the NCAA doesn't clear him to play this year.
There were a lot of guys on this very board that said Newman would bold after sitting out last year. That didn't happen because Self explained to him and his family that he would mess up recruiting. It all worked out so far.
Statmachine said:
@BeddieKU23 Self would approach him like he did Newman and make it clear if he comes to Kansas its a 2 year ordeal if he the NCAA doesn't clear him to play this year.
I'm sure he would but would he really honor it? There is nothing but his word to hold that true.
Robinson has already bailed on one team and didn't even have the courtesy to tell his team or coach he was leaving. He left in the middle of the night like a chicken.
Statmachine said:
There were a lot of guys on this very board that said Newman would bold after sitting out last year. That didn't happen because Self explained to him and his family that he would mess up recruiting. It all worked out so far.
Yes the concerns for Newman were valid. He didn't go against his word.
This situation with Robinson is different.
It might be different but it will be approached in the same manner.
Quinerly is announcing tonight between Nova and Zona. I hope it's Zona and also LOL guess he isn't taking that KU courtesy visit.
BeddieKU23 said:
Statmachine said:
There were a lot of guys on this very board that said Newman would bold after sitting out last year. That didn't happen because Self explained to him and his family that he would mess up recruiting. It all worked out so far.
Yes the concerns for Newman were valid. He didn't go against his word.
This situation with Robinson is different.
I agree, it's a risk. If KU was extremely well positioned with a top 2018 C I'm not sure it would be a risk worth taking. However I think this could end up working out and KU isn't greatly positioned with a top C. Robinson is way better than McCormack who might end up at Okie Lite anyway.
BShark said:
Quinerly is announcing tonight between Nova and Zona. I hope it's Zona and also LOL guess he isn't taking that KU courtesy visit.
I hope its Zona as well but the recent chatter had been Nova. Did he visit Nova recently?
His last logged visit was Zona, but you know how that is. He could have been in to Nova unofficially.
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Statmachine said:
There were a lot of guys on this very board that said Newman would bold after sitting out last year. That didn't happen because Self explained to him and his family that he would mess up recruiting. It all worked out so far.
Yes the concerns for Newman were valid. He didn't go against his word.
This situation with Robinson is different.
I agree, it's a risk. If KU was extremely well positioned with a top 2018 C I'm not sure it would be a risk worth taking. However I think this could end up working out and KU isn't greatly positioned with a top C. Robinson is way better than McCormack who might end up at Okie Lite anyway.
I think its a huge risk. Newman just wanted to get to the NBA and his year at Miss St just completely backfired. We're seeing how talented the kid is now. Malik bought into a 2nd chance and his father made sure he followed through with it.
With Robinson we have all this stuff about his mother having no control and the Godfather and other outside influences pulling the strings. If that stuff is true and most of it seems to be, then we are talking about a fragile situation. His coach alluded to accountability and taking care of himself in his exit. We can read between the lines there to know it was the "nice thing to say". On paper Robinson is a great fit at KU. Everything else is a mess. I trust our coach would take precaution here deciding if he's worth it.
@BeddieKU23 I think you take your shot on someone with talent and backed into a corner like Robinson is. NBA teams wouldn't want to take a shot on someone who you basically just said could quit at any second and was a team cancer and is unreliable, etc.
So now you have an uber-talented kid who really has nowhere to go and has motivation to prove himself. Not to mention that sitting an entire season while going through demoralizing practices is definitely one way to make a kid with ego problems more humble.
I'm going to spin it as we have the chance to have a motivated, 2nd year 5-star footer. And I would take that all day long.
Now odds are he does end up at LSU, but staff should be selling the hell out of coming here and getting PT.
@BShark Agreed. They gave us JJ and Wigs. But we should seriously be landing a top 10 guy every single season. Adidas should buy us a player every single season. With that being said, if we land 1 of those two I agree I will back off of them for a couple of seasons. If they get us both, I'll just stop entirely.
Grimes/Dotson/Zion would be incredible. I'll also believe it when I see it but damn, fun to think about.
Matt with his CB for Zion to KU as well.
Another player Dontarius James, unranked SF just got a CB to KU as well. His page says KU offered yesterday. His list of offers isn't impressive..
Arizona board got an interview with Grimes. Says his top 3 is KU, Zona, Texas
Zona's pitch is he's their top priority. Will see how much that changes if Quinerly signs with Zona. Their other pitch to him was to play pg and sg.
Texas- says he knows Matt Coleman, home school
KU- come in and play right away.
Been mostly the same for a while. Only visit right now is to KU for Late Night. We'll see what other's he sets up and when, if any!
@BeddieKU23 Well we all know that is because he saw Slater's. Matt has no inside information.
Kcmatt7 said:
@BeddieKU23 Well we all know that is because he saw Slater's. Matt has no inside information.
You know it!
BShark said:
Grimes/Dotson/Zion would be incredible. I'll also believe it when I see it but damn, fun to think about.
Was thinking about the same thing. Monster class if it happens
@BeddieKU23 Although, I suppose it should make me feel better about the weight that a Slater CB pick carries...
Kcmatt7 said:
@BeddieKU23 Although, I suppose it should make me feel better about the weight that a Slater CB pick carries...
Especially coming off an interview with him. Slater isn't always right but is plugged in as much as anyone with connections. A duke guy switching his pick says something. Could be the recent momentum with Dotson and Zion playing together. I don't think Zion's camp is in any rush to decide either
Kcmatt7 said:
@BeddieKU23 Although, I suppose it should make me feel better about the weight that a Slater CB pick carries...
Forgive my ignorance, but what does CB mean?
mayjay said:
Kcmatt7 said:
@BeddieKU23 Although, I suppose it should make me feel better about the weight that a Slater CB pick carries...
Forgive my ignorance, but what does CB mean?
Crystal Ball
247 sports uses to forecast which players are going where. Sometimes they mean something, sometimes they don't. This particular person CB'd Zion to KU after an interview with him. Slater is a Duke insider and is one of the few people in the AAU scene that gets information
@BeddieKU23 Thank you. I was pretty sure they weren't trying to remake "Convoy". "Breaker, breaker...."
mayjay said:
@BeddieKU23 Thank you. I was pretty sure they weren't trying to remake "Convoy". "Breaker, breaker...."
You now have the recruiting lingo down. Your lesson is complete!
At point guard, from Charlotte, North Carolina....Number X... Devon Dotson.
As you know I've been all in on Devon from the get go, -- Now I'm throwing all 100% ballot for Emmit Williams in 2018 also, the more I see of this guy - -I mean dam, dam, dam - -we are in a dead lock with Florida right now - -I think we got a decent shot so imagine this recruiting year - - -Dotson - - -Grimes - -or one of the two, - - -Williams, & Williamson I would take that EVERY DAY, - -every day - -any day. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
That was after he visited Zona too, lol.
@BeddieKU23 You would think if Quinerly heads to Zona, that would pretty much change things for Grimes as far as they are concerned. - -I couldn't find anywhere where he said he was announcing tonight, where did we read that? - - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@RockkChalkk Read this from another site talking about possible future line up for KU, said it would be insane
Moore at point, Dotson at the 2/ or hell Grimes, - - Then Williamson , - - Lawson , - -& Robinson - - -that if that turned out WOULD TRULY be Insane. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I'm pretty confident Dotson will be a Jayhawk.
OH Lordy the sky is falling lmao, - - Big Blue Nation about ready to wet all over themselves - -OH NO Ku has now been mentioned in the hunt For Zion Sooooooo - - - -.lets start throwing out the insults, I mean there is NO WAY someone like Zion would ever begin to even possibly consider coming to a place like KU if everything is on the up & up - -I mean we are Kentucky, - -we ARE the BLUEBLOOD and we get whoever, whenever, so to say that a top notch player would even begin to consider another school when WE are involved - - - -something fishy going on - - Oh I just kill myself sometimes laughing at these morons. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Looks like it will come down to UK/KU/South Carolina for Zion.
jayballer54 said:
OH Lordy the sky is falling lmao, - - Big Blue Nation about ready to wet all over themselves - -OH NO Ku has now been mentioned in the hunt For Zion Sooooooo - - - -.lets start throwing out the insults, I mean there is NO WAY someone like Zion would ever begin to even possibly consider coming to a place like KU if everything is on the up & up - -I mean we are Kentucky, - -we ARE the BLUEBLOOD and we get whoever, whenever, so to say that a top notch player would even begin to consider another school when WE are involved - - - -something fishy going on - - Oh I just kill myself sometimes laughing at these morons. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
KU showcases his position the best. Wiggins, Jackson, Oubre, Henry, Rush. Wings can come here and get it done.
Zion is manchild. His brand is already unlike any prospect we would have ever landed before. Wiggins had a big following but nobody has gained this much pub since Lebron who he's most similar to in my opinion
BShark said:
I'm pretty confident Dotson will be a Jayhawk.
I sure hope so!
Slater said its a done deal. Wow that's great news if true
@BeddieKU23 That's my boy - - hope it turns out to be true too. Now if it is maybe he can talk Zion to follow him and play for us. Let Devon do some recruiting for us, - -I seriously doubt if Zion will sign early, - -I'm sure he is going to be another of this long drawn our recruitments though. ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
BShark said:
Looks like it will come down to UK/KU/South Carolina for Zion.
Looks like a front row seat for me here in Columbia SC. I will let y'all know if any articles come out here about ZW.
This is what Slater said yesterday
I am, but will double-check today. The word is that JQ (Quinerly) was/is going to announce this week and Devon will very soon after getting back from a family vacation.
The staff likes Grimes a lot (in regards to UK), but Kansas is in a strong position, as of yesterday. Q will be cutting his list again to 4-5.
Today-
Question in regards to KU and Zion- No lock (Zion), but they're excellent recruiters. Adding Dotson, who ZW encouraged to play with him in Vegas, and offering his friend/teammate D.J. James will help. Adidas will be supportive, particularly given the likelihood that Langford will end up at Louisville. Per a mutual friend, Cal is not that high on Zion anyway.
Sure thing. This one is likely to have many more ebbs and flows.
As soon as Dotson was added to Zion's team for the Adidas Summer Championships for the third live session, it seemed like more than a coincidence.
Slater also broadcasting far and wide Williamson is not a package deal with Quickley.
"I didn't click on that thread, but will say that if anyone knew how hard it was to get that thing done, they'd be amazed. The parents are shutting down interviews to a Very select few. One wanted me to put out there that there is no package deal with Quickley and felt that their son had been badgered into saying he had a package deal at a prior venue."
Also he said "I was with a Western Conference Scout last night." Never in the history of ever has Matt Scott said anything close to that connections wise. SMH
@BeddieKU23 Hmmmm, this could get very interesting. - - Cal really not that high on Zion? - - I find that hard to believe, wonder why that is? - -If these shoe endorsements paly as big a role as some feel, then it would surely have to help. - -Maybe adding Dotson wasn't a coindience . - -got my blood pumping. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Dotson to KU gets me real excited, I really like everything I see about him so far. I hope KU seals the deal soon. Also, for anyone interested, I saw somewhere that he will be on national TV tonight on ESPNU at 9:00 eastern time.
Slater came on the KU board and stated that Dotson cutting AZ is tied to the Quinerly announcement tonight. Also that he expects Dotson to be the next shoe to drop (to KU) after his family gets back from a vacation.
Said vacation will start after the game tonight apparently.
Oh mannnnnnnn
OH MANNNNNNNNNNNNN
We need an early announcement just so we can focus on other guys.
Landing both Dotson and Grimes is huge. Adding Zion is unreal. Adding Dotson, Grimes, Zion and Robinson would start the undefeated talk.
I have a good feeling about Robinson.
LSU will have to do something drastic with their roster in order to land him. And you risk losing the lockerroom when you do that this late in the process. I would bet they are selling him on walking-on year 1 and scholarship year 2. If he clears waivers, he will play as a walk-on if he doesn't clear waivers he will drop classes and either play overseas or hire a trainer and prep for the draft.
KU will get his mom on campus and show her the amazing facilities where her son will be spending the next two seasons. I think it happens.
Any chance Robinson gets cleared for this season?
@RockkChalkk I read of Zags the Jahvon was playing at 8:00 on ESPNU - -is Devon playing against him in that game? - -If so then ya he is on at 8:00
Think like others have said think it's time to start a new thread on our recruiting page really long. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@Kcmatt7 IF IF IF IF that happened and you mix them with the SOLID transfer class Coach Self has recruited this year. Also one if not two of Garrett or Vick will return. Same with Preston and Udoka one of them will return. Lightfoot and Cunliffe will return. If Newman doesn't project in the first round he stays too.
We would have 4 transfers and probably 5 guys from the rotation returning. So that's 9 guys on scholarship not including the mop up guys. With the Lawson's, Robinson, Moore, the 5 rotation guys, and a recruiting class like that I could see KU winning it all. Going undefeated would be another record (reserved for the Birthplace of Basketball) that would put Coach Self on a level above ALL other college coaches after winning his 15th straight conference title!
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@dylans like 20% he gets cleared. It is a dangerous precedence the NCAA would be setting. So the argument can't be "he never played any games so he should be allowed to leave." That opens a whole new door that coaches and the NCAA do not want to deal with recruiting-wise.
The argument needs to be framed like this: "Mitchell left WKU because (insert very very good reason). Because he hasn't played a game yet, he should be granted waivers."
If I was the lawyer that will be dealing with this case I would say this. It is obvious to everyone the situation went South after his God Father was fired, which was the entire reason Robinson was committed to WKU in the first place. He attempted to honor his commitment, but the relationship was irreparably damaged by that point. Classes have not even started in the Fall, nor have official practices. There is no reason for the NCAA to force Mitchell to sit out for a season or school year he was never apart of. Holding Mitchell hostage because he took a few Summer classes is not fair to him, nor is it allowing him to be treated like any other student. All other students are allowed to take credits elsewhere over the summer and transfer them to their school. So as long as Mitchell isn't breaking any University policies, his Summer credits should not be of a concern to the NCAA. We do understand that Mitchell's case is an unusual one. But, cases like these are the reason the waiver was created in the first place. If Mitchell does not receive waivers, we will be appealing the decision and begin looking into legal action.
I would release a statement like that publicly. And I would let the media pressure and threat of legal action pressure cook the NCAA. The last thing the NCAA needs is high profile athletes taking action against them. It creates a strong media bias in favor of the athlete as well as legal precedence that they can't ever change the rules on.
I would put Robinson on TV and make sure that he spoke to every single announcer about his situation before every game just to make sure that it gets mentioned on National TV as many times as possible.
The idea is, if you make it a bigger hassle for them than it would be for you, they will cave. Legal action for the NCAA is it's death sentence too. It is very nice to have an overarching system and set of rules for everyone. But if it becomes more of a hassle to follow the rules than to not follow the rules, that is when the death of the NCAA starts. So, they will cave to a lawsuit that they could possibly lose 90% of the time.
@JayHawkFanToo Yea I could get in trouble if I did that.
Essentially it said this though. Robinson visited LSU twice last week. Any report saying him to LSU is far from a done deal with his KU visit this weekend. LSU will have to make a roster move to add him as well, making it a longer shot to LSU. (Of course the author then posts that he still thinks Robinson will end up at LSU).
It also said that Robinson has to be enrolled in classes by 8/31 because that is the last day to add a class at LSU (not sure for KU). So his decision will be made very soon.
He also said UK might be getting involved, but I haven't heard that yet from any other source.
@JayHawkFanToo good point.
Also, I don't know buy I feel like by now all of the players at LSU probably signed or accepted their basketball scholarship for the season. I would think it would be illegal for a scholarship to be taken away now without the player voluntarily giving up his scholarship. So, if nobody from the LSU roster wants to give up their scholarship, I don't know what they do.
Robinson also just started following several KU twitter accounts.
This stuff is getting real!
Good signs pointing towards KU. I hope he can get eligible in Larryville. Although you can't count out lsu as Ben Simmons has proven.
Ya, this Zion recruitment starting to get very real - -very interesting also. - -We just got our 3rd CB of the day for him landing at Ku. - -Now it has UK at 42% -- & KU at 25% - -we trending, closing the gap on this boy - -JUMPIN - - -GEE - - -HOSSA- - -FATS. - -maybe someone has some inside poop and like they usually where there is smoke there is fire - -let's hope it get's real. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
UK insider saying Zion, Reddish and Barrett should all be fall decisions. The surprising one here is Barrett. Looks like things will happen quickly there.
@jayballer54 Slater said Dotson should commit to KU within 2 weeks. Edit: Combining multiple posts he made here over the last couple days. That's the gist.
I agree, and he is a really good PG. Legit PG, high four star, maybe a 5 star when it's all said and done. Top 25 player imo. Can shoot, penetrate, good vision. Projects as a multi-year player too, I think he will be a great Jayhawk.
Francis Okoro offered. 2019 PF. Probably doesn't end up here, but he looks like a good player.
