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@drgnslayr yes

Lot of baggage. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54 I wouldn't say a lot!

If my info is correct he will get to play this year. That is why our coaching staff and Robinson are even meeting this weekend.

🕵️ hope your info is right!

@Crimsonorblue22 I have good info. He might miss a few games waiting on the NCAA but like Cheick, he will play.

@Crimsonorblue22 It's enough where could be a distraction - - we don't need that route again this year, - -If he can get his head on straight, & get cleared then ya. - -Someone that just packs up and leaves campus doesn't say anything and notifies via text isn't what you call the best thing, that and his relationship with the other team mates while he WAS there, hearing he had some issues there , just having some attitude problems - -that's a cancer we can do without. - -Is he talented? - -Hell yes he is talented, just got to get it together - -team and not me, me, me - I'm sure coach if he can get cleared can get that cleared up. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Come on, give the big guy a mulligan, and call it even. He won't be able to look down his nose at a KU roster like he did with the WKU roster. He better bring his lunch bucket if he wants to survive practice. Svengali Self will have him on a tight leash. You won't ruin our team because the team will run roughshod over a selfish attitude. They'll fix him.

@KUSTEVE A Mulligan it shall be lol - -and you are 100% right We know it's Coaches way OR you butt gonna be sore from sittin, I sincerely hopes he does land here, just drop the other and we be good, he can be a big help. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Just saw where LSU isn't recruiting Robinson any longer ... this has the look of inevitability. Self with the rabbit'from the hat.

@HighEliteMajor Now comes the question what happened? - -Why all of a sudden the did interest? - -so now Coach just needs to make perfectly clear how thing swill be if Robinson ends up here.

If they can work it out would love to have him eligible to play this season - -don't think that is going to happen, if not sucks BUT just mean the following our front court gonna be tight. - -Maybe he will somehow get it worked out for this season - if that happens then DAMM. - Him & Doke together - - -OH YA - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Statmachine said:

@Crimsonorblue22 I have good info. He might miss a few games waiting on the NCAA but like Cheick, he will play.

So KU's front court looks like it could be going from the thinnest of the Self era to absolutely bonkers with two 7' studs. That's something.

GAHT DAMMMMMM boys and girls.

@HighEliteMajor Where did you see that LSU was no longer interested - would love to read about it. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

No longer interested. Right. Lol.

Jeff Goodman posted it

Crimsonorblue22 said:

Jeff Goodman posted it

Yeah I linked in the other thread.

My last post in this thread was just pointing out the hilarity. My guess is they saw the writing on the wall and "removed" themselves from contention.

Wow big news guys. Maybe we will land him after all? Imagine what our front court would look like. Robinson brings our ceiling to a whole new level.

@BShark the ceiling for the team is as high as it's ever been if we get him. Wow!

Has anyone heard about him not having been fully processed at WKU?

@HawkChamp Agree. Also R.I.P. Mitch Lightfoot's minutes if he is eligible this year.

Oh and he is retweeting a lot of KU stuff, many recent follows are KU people, Matt Scott out there making Mitchell Robinson highlight videos, LSU "removing" themselves from his recruitment. The kid himself making a comment about how he let people decide for him too much in the past and that this would be HIS decision this time around. The math sure checks out to me.

Well, I am counting on our Rabbit/Hat Puller to bring in a big kid to fill that lone scholarship, hopefully for eligibility this current season, at least by Christmas. Actually, I had kinda figured that he would unearth a budding talent while playing in Italy...but the taller prospects among the opposition apparently had not advanced much further than jr. high age level.

@BShark We can only hope. Lightfoot looked rough in Italy.

Kcmatt7 said:

@BShark We can only hope. Lightfoot looked rough in Italy.

Eye for an eye, Mitch for a Mitch.

@BShark low! He had that mask on too! I know, excuses.

I like Lightfoot and he is a good program player but adding a 7 foot athletic freak would cut into his playing time drastically.

What no-one is asking is what did Bill have to promise the Basketball Gods in order to receive such a gift? Has anyone seen Tyler? Did Bill have to sacrifice his first-born son?

@Kcmatt7 With the addition of Robinson, no reason for not gliding to Final Four...except for the fact that Mitchell is indeed a raw freshman...and he might immediately suffer a broken nose?

@Crimsonorblue22 Great kid. Awesome practice body. But, I would prefer his minutes stick to the 5 minutes a game where we are playing so poorly he sends Lightfoot in just to prove a point to the other posts.

Lightfoot was not big enough to play the 5, so the only place he could play is the 4, which doesn't help us if Doke gets in foul trouble. Mitchell will solve that problem.

Jamari Traylor's senior year stats. 3PTS 3REB. I like Lightfoot but he is not, nor will he ever be as good as Mari! I really hate saying that but that is what I think and I hope he proves me wrong! I just hope we are not forced into playing him 20 minutes plus a game any time soon!

@BShark Very well put. - -I for sure love Mitch's attitude, he gives 100 plus % anytime he is in, he will always give us that 100 % and think he needs our love, he can still be that spot guy, give some breaks to our players and you know it won't be from lack of effort. Mitch is a player that might have done better maybe on a little smaller stage I think he go down as a true Crimson & Blue kid and don't be surprised in his Jr year or wherever he is going to have a game that you might say Good for him. He is a kid where you never have to question his heart. - - It's just that If Robinson does land here, it's a case of numbers - -and athleticism there is going to be a game this year where we need him for some extended minutes. I think things work out fine -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54

I would not count Mitch out, the kids has grit. A couple of years ago when KU was playing in the World University Games and Bragg had to wear a mask, friend of mine who was also watching the game mentioned that he had broken his nose before and had to wear a mask and it was extremely uncomfortable, particularly when he got sweaty. Considering how hot it was at the gyms in Italy, I would give Mitch a pass. I still believe he will be a contributor at KU.

@Statmachine

Let's not undersell Mitch just yet. He is more skilled than Mari was. He has a similar motor, although he isn't as physical as Mari was. Still, I think because of his skill level, he will ultimately be able to contribute because he has the ball skills that Jamari, for all his athleticism, lacked even as a 5th year senior.

@JayHawkFanToo some guys also have trouble breathing with the facemasks on. Don't know about Mitch, obviously, but there's a chance that he was struggling with conditioning as a result of simply not being able to get air.

LiteFeet possesses that very fine Crimson and Blue Quality which appeals to fans, encourages them to pull for him. I see him as one of those competitors who, like was once said of the old west dreaded Texas Ranger, "...just keeps a'coming!" I'm betting on Mitch to prove his worth.

@BShark

Just think, we could have had three Mitch's if Mitchell Ballock had signed on!

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So far so good!

Read some about Robinson's eligibility. - - Hmmmm, really don't know.

Eligibility clock begins when - - -He enrolls as full time student at any College. - - Full time is defined as being enrolled minimum of 12 hours or more - - -Which Robinson was not.

as for Trigger clause: - -Student is a Student who transfers from a college institution after having triggered any of the conditions.

Which says Enrolled full time during any term and attended classes or D! - - you are enrolled full time, and are on campus on opening day of classes which the article says - - Does not apply to Robinson.

Or report for a regular squad practice - -Because season has not started. - - -again according to the article - - this appears doesn't apply either.

Practiced or competed while enrolled less then full time - - This one is one that's in clear, as the NCAA now allows a few practices in the summer.

The big one that is sticking is: - - -Received financial aid while attending Summer School. - - this is likely given since he was on Campus enrolled & living in a WKU dorm

This I didn't know. - - It's up to KU to request the waiver - - Robinson can't request the waiver himself. After the waiver request then the conference NCAA take over.

The report from LSU is that it seemed highly unlikely that he would be granted eligibility to play this year, so they backed off, The big concern is that if he has to sit out - -then he just options to go over sea's play a year on the AAU circuit, then enters the NBA draft - -OR sits the year and then declares for the NBA the following year

Just don't know what to think. - -Would be a Sweet pick up - BUT do we really want to go through this again fighting the NCAA over gaining eligibility and maybe getting a half a year? - or maybe nothing? - -- -OR maybe, maybe we get the eligibility -I'm in if we can get it worked out, we shall see. - - A lot of people saying we need to pass BUT like it was also brought up, ok we offer the Scholi - -he comes and sits out and then Declares for the NBA. - - What have we lost? - -Nothing. - -If we didn't offer, the Scoli is just sitting there anyways not being used and probably wouldn't get used & we get the Scholi back next year anyways if he did Declare - -So we have lost nothing - -we are not losing the Scholi as we would get it back for next year. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54 He was never technically admitted at WKU according to the rumour mill. If that's true, all that has to happen is their president (formerly at a high level position at KU cough cough) denies his admission and nothing else matters at all, Robinson would be eligible immediately.

@jayballer54 Let's fight. I'll take a half year from him.

We land Robinson; wait on the NCAA; he gets a late start; Self says he's behind; Self won't play him much; when he plays, we can see his potential; Self says it takes time and that he's "raw"; Self makes cryptic comments about being in the right spots; meanwhile, other programs play their freshman who need to get experience; posters claim players don't get better and don't get more comfortable from playing in games; those who know better take deep breaths so their heads don't implode; seniors supposedly vote and say they like someone else better (maybe not this time); Robinson doesn't play much; we lose short of the final four; then the season is over and he leaves -- and somehow he looks really good in the NBA D-League, lacking experience and all.

Weighing against that proven scenario - we don't have Lucas or Traylor on the roster who Self can fall back on because they go to the spots he wants, and know the system -- which Self favors over talent. Further, we a desperately thin. We need Mitchell. This is a need deal, too, not just a high talent deal.

The best situation is when Self has to play the more talented player from the start. Here, we don't have a really experienced guy ahead of him. Maybe Lightfoot knows the system inside and out and we'll be cursing his minutes vs. Robinson, but a I doubt it. Both Lucas and Traylor were in the 4th season in the system. Ronbinson is sure to get "first big off the bench" minutes at a minimum, assuming Preston and Udoka start.

Really, and not being too dramatic, but this sort of player acquisition makes a national title a realistic possibility. Without it, not so much.

And please, don't say that Jamari Traylor was a good player. He just wasn't. He did a few things well some of the time, and had a some good bursts. But that's it. His PER his senior season was 12.7, which was by far the worst of any regular .. by a full three points below the next worst player, and worse than Evan Manning. He was a Bill Self pet. A teacher's pet if there ever was one. I'd rather take my chances with Lightfoot, no doubt.

@HighEliteMajor If that is true, why did he start Doke ahead of Landen last year?

@HighEliteMajor I agree with your points. There is pretty much nothing that would keep Robinson from getting 25-30 minutes a game. I highly doubt that Mitch would be chosen over him. Besides knowing the system better and stuff like that, what can he do that Robinson cant?

Diallo was much different because he was raw and did not learn the system. Robinson knows the game very well and it probably wouldn't take him very long to learn a good portion of what Self teaches. Plus, he is qualified and eligible to play college basketball, so if he chooses KU, he can start practicing and learning the system even if he has to sit out a year.

Yes, it is exciting to think of the possibilities with adding a player like Robinson. It's been quite a while since we had two legit shotblockers in the post and that much length in general. Our title defense in San Antonio has a much greater chance of occurring with him than without him.

KUSTEVE said:

@HighEliteMajor If that is true, why did he start Doke ahead of Landen last year?

That post was mostly about Diallo, I think. That situation was ridiculous. Diallo should have played.

@KUSTEVE The comparison was Diallo vs. Robinson and the basis for the comparison was that
Robinson might get started late because of NCAA issues (like Diallo, as @Bshark observed). So that might exclude Udoka.

But pointing out Udoka makes sense. Self did start him over Lucas, which indicates Self was looking at "merit" not seniority.

Of course, though, I've never really figured out Bill Self. Many folks felt that playing Diallo and committing to him early was the best long term move. Self is the boss, and once he committed to Lucas, we ran off a great stretch of wins. Seemed like Self was right there. I was supportive of the move since Self had really not give Diallo the minutes to get better (understanding Self has certain requirements to get minutes in the first place, which we all understand is prerequisite, like it or not), and we had reached February (really the time teams need to be setting rotations pretty firmly). One wonders, though, vs. Nova if a more athletic and better player would have helped vs. Lucas. Who knows. We might not have gotten a #1 seed if we'd committed to Diallo.

What we do know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, is Diallo is a better basketball player than Lucas -- Diallo is in the NBA. Lucas is playing for the Tokyo Ham Fighters, or whatever the heck they're called.

@HawkChamp - I saw today that Jesse Newell was predicting 5-10 minutes per game for Robinson. I'd be betting 12-15, which is 3rd big minutes (though playing a four guard starting lineup might change things).

@HighEliteMajor 67-86. Then the whole team said they wanted Landen. That score is how bad we got beat by Okie St in Diallo's only start.

@KUSTEVE if I remember correctly, it was then that Self asked the team who they wanted. This was a solicited opinion on the heels of Diallos only start. I think the question remains whether Self could have gotten more out of Diallo. He didn't have to ask the team then.

@KUSTEVE So you polled the entire team? And you really believe Self would do something that drastic if he didn't think it was best?

64-59 - Score vs Villanova where Lucas was impotent offensively and as usual, zero rim protection.

74-60 - Score vs Oregon where Lucas was way over matched by guys who were athletically similar to Diallo. Cited for the irony, but also for the stark reality that game demonstrated in the post.

Of course, you cited a game that meant very little. I cited the two most important games of both seasons.

That said, Lucas played very well much of the time that year (2015-16). He just had times when he was overmatched due to his talent limitations -- where a better player would fair much better. Oregon is a great example. And vs Nova, we sorely needed rim protection, which Diallo offered. None of that is even debatable.

And it's not debatable that Diallo is a better basketball player. Coaches are tasked with developing that talent, not taking the easy way out and playing the comfortable, low risk option. The real risk is losing when it counts.

@HighEliteMajor

What we do know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, is Diallo is a better basketball player than Lucas – Diallo is in the NBA. Lucas is playing for the Tokyo Ham Fighters, or whatever the heck they’re called.

After one year of 24-7 training in the D League, Diallo is probably a better player than Lucas, although he still has to show what he can do consistently while playing with the big boys and not in the Debvelopment or Summer Leagues.

Having said that, there is no question that while both were at KU, Diallo was the player with the bigger potential but Lucas was the better basketball player. Nobody wants to win more than the players and they all thought the team was better off with Lucas...can't really argue with that.

@HighEliteMajor @JayHawkFanToo

The same complaints about not using Diallo in 2015-16 were also raised about not using Bragg more, who stayed another year and was virtually useless. Based on "potential" and "talent" Lucas should have been #3 big. Diallo got better in the D league, but not good enough to convince any team he should stay in the League consistently. Bragg didn't get better despite ample opportunities offered by Doke's injury.

Sometimes it is a crapshoot when someone will "get it." Diallo may finally be getting it. Bragg hasn't yet. Neither of them did during their year together at KU. Lucas was a backup plan forced to the fore, and was good enough to help get KU to 2 regional finals.

In both of those finals, the biggest aberration on offense from the regular season wasn't remotely Lucas (6 pts, 12 rebs vs Nova; 9 pts, 3 rebs vs Ore). It was dismal 3 pt shooting by players we had relied on all year (Mason and Selden, 1 for 12 combined vs Nova; Graham and Jackson 0 for 8, Mason 2 for 8 ).

To chalk it all up to not having better developed a Diallo or a Bragg because of a lack of rim protection is a bit simplistic to say the least. It was our inability to score both years, including untimely turnovers and fouls, that did us in.

First off, Robinson vs Diallo is night and day. Robinson will be able to practice, even while the NCAA decides his fate. Diallo got a late start for several reasons. He decided and graduated late and wasn't on campus until very late in the season. KU could have worked on his eligibility sooner had he committed before May. And that way he could have practiced with the team and built rapport starting in June instead of October. 4 months lost. Bill and the team were put in a bad spot with his situation and lack of transparency. With that said, I think Bill should have given Diallo more minutes even if it meant sacrificing a few wins with the hope it paid off come March. Think U.K. when they were an 8 seed in the NC game because Cal let all those youngsters play and take their lumps all season. It paid off. Talent wins games.

With that said, Robinson is NOT Diallo. He isn't raw and unskilled. He is a legit footer with basketball skills. And, again, he will be able to practice as soon as he decides. He will have 2 months of practice to learn and compete, and as someone who has played basketball his entire life he should be able to pick up the nuances that Diallo could never pick up in the little time he had to practice. Just 100% nights and day. To be honest, Robinson has the potential to start at the 5 over Doke come year end. Or even, if Robinson can shoot as well as billed he could play along side of Doke and our rim protection could be other worldly. if Robinson commits he will play. Period. He will play 20+ minutes a game. And lightfoot won't stand in his way, even if the guards like him better. If Robinson commits and doesn't play, KU might as well not ever try recruiting top 20 post players under Self because they won't come here. Self will be under the gun to develop Robinson into the lottery pick he was projected to be more than any other post he has ever recruited.

If Lightfoot gets more minutes than Robinson this year and this team doesn't win the NC Bill should be scrutinized harshly.

Teams with no post presence don't make the final four. If Diallo could have potentially given us a post presence we should have played him over Lucas. Plain and simple. Lucas gave us a higher floor, but a much, much lower ceiling. Bill's competitiveness might very well be his biggest fault. He doesn't let players play through mistakes (except a select few teachers pets). Being a 1 seed is important and statistics back that up. But a talented team on a roll is the scariest thing in the NCAA tournament. Ask South Carolina, UCONN, UK, Danny Manning, Butler, 2012 KU, etc. The most important thing is that we are playing our best basketball at the end of April. I'd rather be a team talented enough to win a NC who is a red hot 4 seed than a 1 seed with noticeable faults and a small margin for error.

It isn't fair to the talent we have in the back court to play it safe in the front court. Players don't always know what is best, and Bills job is to make the tough decisions and predict the future correctly. I can't confidently say that he has. From my point of view he has been too short-sided in his decision making and I believe that stems purely from his competitive drive. Unfortunately it apprears Bills biggest strength and weakness is his desire to win. If he never strikes a balance between winning individual games and seeing the big picture, I fear that he will never live up to his coaching potential. We all know he has the talent to be a top 5 coach of all-time. But he has to go on one of those historic runs all great coaches have, and In today's college game part of that is being able to win with Freshmen being major contributors. K and Cal have adjusted. Bill can too.

I say this as a Landen Lucas. That is exactly who I was for my high school basketball team. I was. 5'11 C. I rebounded well and was always in the right spot. I kicked the backup C ass every day in practice. He was 6'3 and 215lbs. He could dunk while I could barely grab the rim. He could block 5 shots in a game and I may have blocked 5 shots the entire season. Coach should have played him. Even if, at first, team chemistry would have suffered. He had the higher upside. If we were going to be a good team, he would have had to been the one to play. I gave us a higher floor, but I am a big enough man to admit that he had a much, much higher ceiling than I did. Even if I could outsmart him at practice and use technique and experience to beat him day in and day out. By the time sub-state rolled around, who knows what type of player he would have been had he gotten PT and been given the chance to play through mistakes. It is so frustrating as a coach to watch someone make mistakes in a game. But so much of that is neevousness and comfort level. You only get comfortable when you get enough PT and know that you won't get yanked out after one or two mistakes.

A coaches job isn't to win games, it is to win championships, or at the very least, exceed expectations. We have to be lying to ourselves to think Bill is exceeding them in March. Elite 8 losses have to end some way some how. I'm in no way advocating to get rid of Bill. Ever. I still think he is the best guy in the country to run our program. It doesn't mean we can't scrutinize decisions he has made and expect him to adjust or learn from mistakes.

Final thought. We need him. The last two times we had a Robinson on the team we made it to a National a championship....

@Kcmatt7 I think they would've announced it by now.

@KUSTEVE word on the street is... Coach Self said KU is willing to spend whatever it takes to get you cleared. If we are going to make that kind pf commitment to you we need you to commit to playing one year for us. If you are not cleared you suit up for 2018-2019. So the ball is in Robinsons court. He either plays for KU or goes abroad. It would mess up recruiting and KU's basketball program would spend alot money getting him cleared. I think he will announce soon but he has to make up his mind and the sooner he does the sooner KU can start the paperwork to get him cleared.

@HighEliteMajor I didn't poll the team- Bill did. Ok, so all of our losses are Landen's fault. Landen made our guards shoot poorly. Landen made Devonte shoot 0 for 7 against Oregon. Landen made Perry and Wayne collapse against Villanova. Come on, you're confabulating.

Once they put Landen in the starting lineup (after they lost by 19 to Okie St), they won 17 games in row, before losing to the eventual national champion. So, the heinous move bit us once, although when it bit, it bit hard. Here's the real scoop: we haven't had a real front line since 2012. Period. Diallo was cast off by the starters and the coach. Was it a bad call? In hindsight...yes, it was, imho. If Diallo could've worked through the mistakes, and helped us win against Nova, it was worth it. Jamari was thrown around like a rag doll against the big guy from Nova. No doubt there was some teacher's pet going on, like you said. To say it was some great colossal mistake is hyperbole on your part. 17-1 is NOT failure.

To say he would start Lightfoot over Robinson is ridiculous. Instead of making up storylines that haven't occurred to project your distrust of the coach, why don't you hone in on our true failure...our Elite 8 record where we play tight as drum, and our offense completely collapses?

@KUSTEVE I don't. He has spent like 24 hours with the coaches. Coaches he has no rapport with because we didn't even try to really recruit him. A big decision for this kid.

With that being said, I think we see him announce in the next day or two

I feel it is important to settle this right now. Mitch will definitely get a lot of minutes this year.

mayjay said:

I feel it is important to settle this right now. Mitch will definitely get a lot of minutes this year.

So you are saying we will have a lot of blowout victories. Hope you are right.

Good vibes on the Robinson visit. That is all I am going to say.

Good vibes on the Robinson visit. That is all I am going to say.

@Statmachine

Why did you have to say twice? :joy:

@DoubleDD must me REALLY good vibes!

Bad phone service where I'm at.

@Statmachine

No worries just giving you the business. You're fine my friend. :thumbsup:

@DoubleDD LOL - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BAB

OK, now plain and simple. YES OR NO Robinson lands at KU and how soon if so. - -Me I say yes & within the next Week. - -Let's hear ya. = - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

I vote yes.

This should get interesting....

If he goes to school yes.

any reports out there about his overseas possibility? What is his godfather up to?

Obviously this is a decision that he either has to stick with KU for 1,2 years at most or takes a route that will be challenging but not impossible to come back and be highly drafted next summer? Big decision to make. A lot of risk involved..

BeddieKU23 said:

any reports out there about his overseas possibility? What is his godfather up to?

Obviously this is a decision that he either has to stick with KU for 1,2 years at most or takes a route that will be challenging but not impossible to come back and be highly drafted next summer? Big decision to make. A lot of risk involved..

Some LSU guy saying he will commit to LSU soon.

Based on what statmachine said, seems like he did get that line from Self. I just hope either way it's decided and announced today.

Europe is not what is used to be for American players and opportunities not as plentiful, particularly for an inexperienced player like Robinson. More likely destinations are Australia, New Zealand and China, although I understand that living and playing in China is a very trying experience and players cannot wait to leave; Europe can be equally as bad. Former ISU player Paul Shirley wrote a blogs for ESPN titled "My So-Called Career" that describes in vivid detail the trials and tribulation of playing in Europe; eye opening and not what you would expect. Michael Beasley was the League MVP in China and after two stints there he said he rather take his chances in the Summer League with the hope of latching on to a NBA team even it is is for the minimum rather than going back to China" he played for the Rockets and the Bucks in the last couple of years and now he signed with the Knicks for the veteran minimum.

Language barrier in Europe and China makes it tough for lots of players off the court. Add to that the fact that US players are under a lot of pressure to be superstars because of the way the league rules work. In both Europe and China, each team only has so many "imports" they can have on the team. As a result, the "import" players have to be among the best on the team, if not the best.

In Australia, there isn't really a language barrier, so the culture shock isn't as great. Add to that there's not as much pressure on a US player to be a league MVP level player and it's a better developmental environment.

On another note, are we seriously re-litigating the Diallo vs. Lucas question? Diallo was raw, but better than Lucas. Self picked the steady production (the choice that has won 13 straight league titles) over the potential (the choice that could get you over the hump in March). There's no question who had more talent. There's no question who the better player was. It was Diallo, period.

If Mitchell Robinson comes to KU, there's no reason for him to play only 10-12 minutes. If he even thinks that's a possibility, he will not (and should not) come. For his own development it doesn't make sense to come to KU if he is going to play that little. That's a lost year of development.

@JayHawkFanToo

I think you have a pretty good read on Int'l ball.

After watching and re-watching Diallo's high school super performances, I was absolutely drooling at his KU signing. Then reality leaped into the fray and his summer and early season progress were absolutely stymied. Crushed. By now we all know full well that player development under Bill Self is a slow but steady process; and those early non-con games are essential to a freshman's moving forward to fit into dependable team play by the meat of the league season. Cheick just wasn't destined to be ready when needed. A kid who might have become one of the most exciting players in the Bill Self years faded into the varnish of the pine. Can't blame him for packing his bags and moving on. He was much more confident in his potential than were his Jayhawk teammates and many college pundits. As it has turned out, justifiably so. Conversely, I don't blame our coaching staff for not gambling on his playing time vs. that of the lesser talented but more knowledgeable Lucas. The situation was one big clusterfidaddle.

A commitment from both sides is the only option. Since he ultimately decided to transfer and KU is one of the only schools with a Scholarship this late in the year he doesn't have many other options. Fortunately for him KU has one scholarship to give. If he were seeking representation or an agent to play over seas it would be ALL over the news. I think this young mans heart was set on being an OAD and because he let others close to him make decisions for him he is (possibly if he doesn't get to play this year) now forced to do something he doesn't want to do. He had a good visit with the coaching staff at KU and no news at this point is good news. If he were going to take another visit or seeking an agent we would probably have heard something. That could still happen today for all I know but at least there hasn't been any news confirming KU is out.

Someone on the shiver reported something over an hour ago. KU6thman was his user name. I cant read it because I am not a vip. I am not going to pay for recruiting updates!

@Statmachine Just asking Matt for an update. Matt knows nothing.

@Statmachine I asked my manager buddy and he didn't have any info either though so it may be true that there isn't any news.

I am not sure if we will here a decision for another week or so. I'm confident that Robinson will, and should, meet with an agent to talk about his overseas options. He wouldn't be doing his due diligence if he doesn't at least explore the idea.

Mitchell is a really old freshmen so he needs to think hard about all of this. He will be 20 already when we are halfway through this first season.

@Kcmatt7 I guess we will all be holding our breathe until we hear what's going on?

TBH I really think he thought he could just ride to pine for a season and enter the draft. I think Coach Self said "no way Jose". That is why he said he would know what he was going to do this weekend shortly after his visit on one of his accounts. Now that he has to commit to suit up for a season no matter the outcome of the NCAA he doesn't know what to do?

I would also imagine there is still some family turmoil over what to do as well.

@Statmachine I wonder if we can legally have him sign something saying he will play a year for us before he goes pro? Like a Non-compete clause.

Kcmatt7 said:

@Statmachine I wonder if we can legally have him sign something saying he will play a year for us before he goes pro? Like a Non-compete clause.

No.

@Kcmatt7 Let me rephrase that: he could sign one but it would not be enforceable and would probably get KU in trouble.

mayjay said:

@Kcmatt7 Let me rephrase that: he could sign one but it would not be enforceable and would ptobably get KU in trouble.

Can you explain further as to why?

What about forcing him to pay back the cost of his scholarship if he never plays at least? I know chump change if he actually turns pro, but it is SOMETHING to hold him accountable. What if instead he is on a "basketball fellowship" that has a condition to it. Those are all over the place. If you go to Stanford you can get a fellowship for free tuition as long as you promise to work in a certain area for 2 years afterwards. If you don't complete that task, you must repay the entire scholarship.

Just ideas.

@Kcmatt7 Because it is outside the parameters of the standardized NCAAA LOI, among other things. He already has agreed, if he signs a LOI, not to compete with KU by playing at another school. KU has no legitimate interest in preventing someone from entering their chosen profession.

It would also kill any future recruiting for that matter. Most schools regret players leaving early, but many tout their development of NBA talent.

As for paying back a scholarship, why would anyone ever sign such a thing? If drugs, or felonies, or other violations of rules don't result in that, why should being ready to go pro be different?

If we get Mitchell cleared to go this year... I think he instantly gets a real shot at real minutes. Mitch is great, but he lacks body and strength. That doesn't mean he won't be a key part of our year if Mitchell joins us.

Mitch will still come off the bench... and he will take minutes away from any of our post players who start slacking off. Perfect. He'll come in and he'll do what he does.... hustle... hustle... hustle.... while the big or bigs he replaces gets a taste of what a smaller guy can do who just brings hustle.

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Is five-star big man Mitchell Robinson close to a decision? #kubball
https://kansas.rivals.com/news/is-mitchell-robinson-close-to-a-decision- ↗ …

@mayjay I'm in the camp that we should take him regardless of if he would ever play a single game in Crimson in Blue, so I'm just making up scenarios.

But as far as paying back a scholarship, that happens all the time. The military does it. If you fail out of school, the military will expect you to pay them back. So do other programs that have Doctors go to rural places for x amount of time. If you leave before that deadline you have to pay some money back. Where I work does it. They will pay for my school, but I have to stay there for 2 years after, otherwise I have to pay it back.

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Odds that Mitchell Robinson picks Kansas and actually plays a single minute of college basketball as a Jayhawk in 2017/18? #kubball

@Kcmatt7 But not athletics.

Mitchell may commit to KU - -he might not, but one thing for sure Robinson IS NOT going to land at LSU.

Article from the Tiger Blitz LSU has back away from the recruitment of 5 star Robinson, stated that the LSU roster is already set for next year, nothing available, they would have to make room for him - - which means they would have to give someone the boot & just like here that wouldn't happen.

They have add these players for next year Tremont Waters - - -Big Man , Mayon Kiir - -Wings , Brandon Rachal & Galen Alexander - - -also added Juco Daryl Edwards- - - -North Texas Transfer Jeremy Combs - - And South Utah Transfer Randy Omwvasa as well as Oregon Big Man expected also to join the team but will have to sit.

He May opt for international they say but chances are slim, but no he is not going to LSU. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54 Article from today?

It's Randy Onwuasor btw. And yeah, Will Wade is rejuvenating their program. They might challenge for SEC #2 which is pretty much up for grabs.

@BShark No this was a couple of days ago & never claimed to be a spelling whiz. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY DONG BABY

@jayballer54 Ok that's what I was thinking. LSU people have changed their minds as of yesterday. One LSU guy that works for ESPN saying that LSU is back in play for Robinson. Honestly who the hell knows, lol.

@Kcmatt7

Non-compete clauses have to be very specific and are notoriously difficult to enforce, if at all.

Actually, a non-compete clause would not even apply because in the NBA he would not be competing against KU. Now, if he transfers, KU can list (and other schools have done this before) schools where he could not transfer since he would be competing against KU. as a condition for granting his release. While the school can legally withhold granting his release, the negative publicity trumps letting him go. Remember when Uthoff wanted to leave Wisconsin" target="blank" rel="noopener">http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story//id/7833426/jarrod-uthoff-wisconsin-badgers-lift-transfer-restrictions-big-ten) ↗ and Bo Ryan came up with big list of schools he could no contact? Eventually the backlash and bad press forced Wisconsin to restrict transfer only to other conference schools.

I don't believe Robinson would want to sit another year and transfer to a competing school, so the non-compete clause is moot.

There could lots of reasons for the delay. It ain't over till it's over.

@BShark I did sort of expect a commitment already. Honestly I expected a tweet on Sunday.

Every day that passes it is much more likely that he just pulls a Thon Maker. Sit out the year and train. Then go to the combine and show your stuff.

It is just such a weird situation. You have an older freshmen who thinks he is easily a OAD so he doesn't want to commit for two years, but he can't play in the first year. So he's essentially worthless.

He mocks at 14 right now, so it really all depends on what people are telling him. He could fall way, way back to the 2nd round if any other stories come out with him. Or he could stay in the lottery if he has a good showing overseas or blows people away like Thon Maker did in the combine.

If I was his people, I'd probably tell him to just skip the season and train for the combine.

Here is a good summary ↗ of the Mitchell Robinson situation

Hey KU fans!
THis is excellent news! I hope we get this guy.
Who cares if Bagley goes do Duke!?

@JayHawkFanToo You need to edit your links! This is the 3rd one in the past week or so that has an extra letter at the beginning, making it inoperative.

@KUSTEVE I agree but the longer this thing drags out with no word from anybody, it looks as though Robinson is going elsewhere.

@mayjay Fixed it

@mayjay

I believe the behavior of the link paste option has changed rcently and it varies when I use the PC and the IPad. I used to select a word or words, click the link and the link holder would be highlighted and I could just paste the link but now it either adds a letter or the close parenthesis at the end is deleted; I can normally see in the right panel if the link is displaying in blue. Oh well...I will test from now on to make sure it is correct. Thanks for letting me know.

@dylans

Thanks. I will test every link from now on.

@JayHawkFanToo Sometimes I have a heckuva time getting the auto-select function to behave properly. It seems to reset every time Android updates. On my PC, it happens in Word. I constantly reset the options but it goes back again. The biggest problem I have is when it pastes something over the top of something it has autoselected when I only wanted to insert text.

Continued diligence is the price we pay for technology. Do not let Skynet use autoselect!

Getting a feeling like others I think Robinson left port and moving on. Actually thought he would be quick to commit, because as far as I knew we were pretty much his only option for this year to land with a College after what I had heard & read. Now maybe not so much - -makes me believe he is going to just like has been said sit and Train and then Declare. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Did just look through who Robinson is following on Twitter. Looks like he recently followed a photo editor for commits who puts uniforms on players for their commitments. He also has followed, literally, 50 girls from Lawrence since I last checked and a couple more KU accounts.

For what it's worth...

@Kcmatt7 Noticed that the other day. Can't be a bad thing...

No way that this kid is going to come to KU, sit out a year and then become eligible to play. Maybe he enrolls, waits for the NCAA to rule on the waiver. If he receives the waiver he plays. If he doesn't receive the waive.......he leaves school. I don't think Self would willingly sign up for that. ... but he can't control whether the kid stays or not.
Ideally, the NCAA would rule quickly, for the benefit of all involved....either way. But then, ideally, Jennifer Anniston knocks on my front door tonight.......

@Hawk8086 Careful with Jennifer. She is still looking to have kids. Have her sign some waivers before you accept any drinks from her.

I dont know what Robinson is going through but he posted he was upset and on his own now. I would expect we hear something soon. I am guessing he is going against his fam and being your own man at his age is never easy.

Been doing a lot of reading on Robinson. I have a feeling that the NCAA is being felt out on the chances of an exception/diversion/parole :) or whatever they call what it will take to get him on the court this year. Probably by KU but likely also by Robinson himself. After gathering a little information on if there is a chance or not then an informed decision could be made by both parties. Personally I don't think he will go to college if it is determined he is a practice squad only guy although KU could be looking to take him as that just to help the other bigs improve as the cupboard is pretty bare in recruitment land.

@Statmachine this could get interesting.

He should announce for KU pretty soon but yeah whether he ever plays a game or not is up for debate. I sure hope he does.

@Hawk8086 Lol, my wife ( Jennifer better not show up at your doorstep lol - -your name is not Jody is it? lol guys always kid and say to other guys - -Jody is at your house man, you better get home Jody is at your house lol. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54 My stepson the Marine says that Jody is the name guys use to discuss any guy making time with a girlfriend or wife back home. I wonder if your guys have USMC backgrounds.

@mayjay That's exactly what I was talking about, it was the same way when I was in lol - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

mayjay said:

@Hawk8086 Careful with Jennifer. She is still looking to have kids. Have her sign some waivers before you accept any drinks from her.

that was fantastic!

@mayjay

...but the babies would be smart and beautiful...

Looks like he is visiting new Orleans soon. I don't think he's coming here.

KU probably was going to help him but he didn't want to commit to a second year if it didn't work out.

HawkChamp said:

Looks like he is visiting new Orleans soon. I don't think he's coming here.

I posted some crazy stuff I read re: Robinson in the recruiting thread.

I see the N.O. visit as a positive.

What we don't want to do is sign an unsure Mitchell. It wouldn't surprise me if Bill sent him to N.O.... just to help solidify his desire to come to Lawrence. And if we lose him? It wasn't meant to be and we would have been off worse if Mitchell came to Lawrence and quickly became unhappy.

I don't see any of this as a positive. But then again if we didn't have a scholarship to give out this wouldn't be our problem either. Going into the summer with just 4 eligible big men is why were are currently glamorizing this kid's chances of playing, not playing, leaving, not leaving in the next year when his only goal is to play in the NBA. Why can't we get someone with no issues/drama/eligibility concerns for that last spot.

@BeddieKU23 Everyone has issues with that last scholly. Cal fills the end of his roster with garbage. K often just doesn't fill the last scholarship.

Personally, I think carrying 11 eligible players is the best way to go. Doesn't scare away recruits and gives you flexibility in years where you have an opportunity for a stud transfer or just an absolutely loaded class.

I like the flexibility as well. I don't know that we necessarily land a guy like Mitchell Robinson, because a top 10 recruit coming available this late is rare, but it's nice if it happens. We could legitimately have the best frontcourt in the nation with Azuibuke, Preston and Robinson. That's no small feat to go from very thin upfront to the best in the country.

Also, Matt Scott with the hot take "It wasn't a visit, he just went and shot around." Lol. Other reports are like nope, his mom and him met with the coaching staff and the visit lasted until 9:30PM.

Does anyone know why Mitchell can't apply for the waiver until he picks a school? To me that just screams that the NCAA could have a chance to be biased based on where he goes.

Kcmatt7 said:

@BeddieKU23 Everyone has issues with that last scholly. Cal fills the end of his roster with garbage. K often just doesn't fill the last scholarship.

Personally, I think carrying 11 eligible players is the best way to go. Doesn't scare away recruits and gives you flexibility in years where you have an opportunity for a stud transfer or just an absolutely loaded class.

Yeah, it's rare that even the 9th player will play much anyway. This isn't the NBA. That said the front court is concerning, ideally you have a 4th guy just in case of foul trouble, injury etc...

Kcmatt7 said:

Also, Matt Scott with the hot take "It wasn't a visit, he just went and shot around." Lol. Other reports are like nope, his mom and him met with the coaching staff and the visit lasted until 9:30PM.

Known clown Matt Scott just continuing to embarrass himself.

@Kcmatt7 attorney and money?

Does NO have have a schollie?

@Kcmatt7 Mitchell himself can't request the waiver, it has to come from the school, I read that the other day. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@drgnslayr I think it's over for us.

@Crimsonorblue22

ESPN shows them with 12 before any freshman..

@Crimsonorblue22 No apparently it's the rule for the waiver. But to me, seems like it could very easily be a biased system. Mitchell could get accepted to, say , UNO and be eligible. But if that allows KU to become NC favorites, all of a sudden he isn't eligible for us.

To me, the system is very flawed. He should be able to apply for the waiver first. I think if he got the waiver, his options would have opened up 100X more than they are right now. Hurts both the student and the school in the current system.

@Kcmatt7 It is due to their fictional focus on making sure that the student athlete is a student first and an athlete second. Enrolling without knowing if you can play somehow means the athlete was always focused on school more than sports.

I disagree with you, though, on bias about eligibility waivers. I have seen nothing indicative of that. How they make some of those decisions is pretty opaque, but I think when there is suspicion of tampering the waiver might be less likely. Just like coaches who might grant a release but not to schools they suspect.

@mayjay I just don't like things going on behind closed doors. Nor do I like that the school has to be associated to get someone cleared or receive a waiver. I'm not saying that bias happens with the waivers. I'm just saying that it would prove that there is no bias if the waiver applies to the student and doesn't have to come from the school.

Just like somehow, some-freaking way, the NCAA tournament selection committee has had up to 3 people on it that were in one way or another connected to Duke. And somehow magically Duke gets easy paths in the tourney. The committee probably doesn't actually favor them. And the process is probably so complex that there is no way they do it on purpose. But they have opened themselves up to be criticized.

If it was so straight-forward if the player was eligible or not in the waiver process, the NCAA should be able to rule on it with or without the player choosing a new school. But because it is not that way, I will always have my doubts.

As it was explained to me the waiver is not granted to the student but to the school. Robinson can enroll in any school he chooses without checking with the NCAA but to play for the school team, the school has to get a waiver to allow him to play in the team. This is different than initial eligibility where hundreds of thousands of players submit their information to the NCAA and they get cleared (or not) to play, much like Robinson was already cleared. The reason for this is because transfer is different than starting fresh somewhere and the NCAA wants to make sure the requesting school did not have any improper involvement in said transfer. The rules are in place to make sure things are done above board and on an level playing field; in the absence of said rules there would chaos.

Now, the rules themselves are there and well defined but they require input that sometimes is not readily available or not forthcoming, in this case it would be how long did he attend the previous school? Did he and how extensively practiced with team? Was he officially accepted and enrolled? Did he get financial aid? Was he contacted by other school or schools? and so on. Like all rules, they are of course subject to interpretation by humans and that interpretation is not always objective...depending on what side of the issue you sit.

Once Robinson picks a school, at this time I have no reason to think that a ruling from the NCAA would not come shortly after all the information is submitted. Remember that the the NCAA has to at least keep the appearance that college is the place where people go to get an education and a degree and also play sports and not just a pit stop on the way to pro-sports...right...:smiley:

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article168246172.html ↗

Not happening.

Linked this in another thread but figured it should be here, in the Mitchell Robinson thread.

Good to know.

@BShark Well guy, I reckon, or it sure seems that pretty well ends that story doesn't it? -- -Dam I seen some more highlights of the kid and all I can say is - - - -DAMM, looks pretty mobile, has got serious hops BUT life goes on, like I say end of story. :( :( :( :( :( - - so be it - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Yep, would have been a great get, but time to move on.

I hope he doesn't commit anywhere. If he ends up drafted in the lottery after sitting out a season, I think we may see some kids start doing that. If there becomes a trend of the top 10 freshmen sitting out and waiting for the draft o could see a rule change. Would almost force the NBA to do a 2AD rule or move to the baseball model.

Thon Maker proved it can be done if you have enough upside. If Robinson also gets in the lottery, that proves the NBA doesn't actually care if you get play CBB or not.

Mitchell we hardly knew ye'

Close the door on this one!

@BeddieKU23

Yahoo/NBC Sports ↗ does not think he will be playing at KU or anywhere.

@JayHawkFanToo [

@KUSTEVE

Not sure yet... but think it all relates to eligibility for this season.

We don't have a formal conclusion from the NCAA, though I believe Bill may have asked for a rushed judgment. Bill will always be out there fighting for the player.

And if he can't play, I"m sure Bill has made it clear to him that his best option is to stay put at WKU.

I believe Bill has helped Mitchell discover his REAL options. What I'm not sure about is if the decision has come down from the NCAA.

@drgnslayr

As I understand, the school cannot officially request any information or waiver until the student has officially enrolled. I would think there are back channels through which a school can at least get an idea of the potential outcome of the waiver request. I am sure the staff has done its due diligence and at this time it looks like Robinson is not coming to KU.

JayHawkFanToo said:

@BeddieKU23

Yahoo/NBC Sports ↗ does not think he will be playing at KU or anywhere.

That's probably the best scenario for all involved. This is a prime example of where a kid should have been allowed to enter the NBA

There is this chance, possibly, that Robinson came here and didn't like it. That Self wanted him to come. But Robinson just didn't want to come to Kansas.

HighEliteMajor said:

There is this chance, possibly, that Robinson came here and didn't like it. That Self wanted him to come. But Robinson just didn't want to come to Kansas.

Yep, you are correct. I believe the general consensus viewpoint of the recruiting world doesn't think that was the case because on his first day of his visit he tweeted "Kansas is nice."

I know this is off-topic but would St Francis University's abbreviation be STFU?

@RockkChalkk When I saw the comment, I immediately thought it was very reserved. I certainly would not want to reach the conclusion that Kansas was his first choice, or that he wants to come here, or that Self made the decision on whether to accept him, based on that limited info. In fact, given how other recruits have made glowing comments after leaving a visit (and he made no comments), it might be a better indication that maybe this was not a place he preferred. That's just reading what we know. Of course it's speculation.

@KUSTEVE Southern Tenant Farmer's Union (STFU).

@KUSTEVE my post about stfu was not meant to end discussion, or to evaluate any discussion. it was meant to say St. Francis U has a pretty messed up abbrev.

@KUSTEVE SFU, not STFU. Too bad!

Per Zags, Robinson isn't going to NOLA since their enrollment deadline is today. KU's is a week after class starts if memory serves. I'd still be surprised if KU was his destination.

@FarmerJayhawk Watch, this kid isn't going to land at any College. - -He is going to sit - -train - -- -and Declare for the NBA next year, he not going back to WKU their classes started Monday, most their fans have moved on, I think our have too. It's a dead issue, Coach has already come out and said he doesn't look to add to his roster for this year. -- -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@FarmerJayhawk Nice to see you joined here.

Soooo … we go to battle with Doke, Preston, and Lightfoot. Not what we would ever envision for a Bill Self team, or for a possible national championship team. We always have talked about how Self pulls rabbits out of his hat. No rabbit.

I can't imagine that there isn't some big dude at a Juco that would give his left nad to be the 4th big. That guy has to be out there. Now I dream about Jamari Traylor. Or, uh .. maybe a Justin Wesley? Desperate.

@BShark thanks man. I agree Robinson to anywhere is probably dead. Forde (yeah, I know) put out an article that said Robinson hadn't been in touch with KU since last week. Almost feel sorry for him. He's a great talent, but needs more coaching and refinement than most around his ranking. Would've been awesome to have here if he had his head on straight.

Just my opinion... but I believe this is all about the NCAA giving Robinson the go sign on a waiver. Mitchell is stuck in limbo. There is a public campaign showing how he is being pushed out of going to college because the NCAA hasn't confirmed a waiver will happen (directly to Mitchell).

More bad PR for the NCAA!

If Robinson wants to go to college he needs to enroll and begin the process of trying to get to eligible. Worse case senario he drops out and goes pro. It's not much of a commitment he'd have to make. Bill or anyone else can't make him come back for a second year.

@drgnslayr Or giving him no information. Which is just as bad really. This is why I kept bringing up how stupid the Waiver rule is because it doesn't give the student information to make his best decision and allows NCAA to make the decision on granting a waiver or not with a bias toward a school.

If I was Robinson. I would just prep for the NBA. If I get hurt during that period, I obviously would have an insurance policy. But I could also return to school and someone would take me if I were injured and so really I'm out nothing.

NCAA should have made it clear the odds of him getting a wavier were above average and that they want a talent like that to go to college and earn some credits (and profit off of him). Stupid on their part.

I think Bill might have to look at starting Svi and Vick, and have Preston come off the bench to spell Doke. If Doke gets 2 fouls in the first 3 minutes, we'll need Preston to cover the 5. Maybe Jaybate's 5 out turns out to be 100% right.

Again, the waiver is given to the school that requests it and not the player. The school cannot request a waiver until the student has enrolled. Fair or unfair these are the rules and Robinson was or should have been aware of them. Having said that, I would think that there are back channels schools use to get off the record info from the NCAA and I will guess the word is there will not be a waiver and this is why there are really no takers left.

@Kcmatt7 If he goes and practices with a school for a year they will most likely buy a $5million policy for him. One more reason to go train under a coaches watchful eye.

@JayHawkFanToo He could always go NAIA or D3.

@mayjay

He can go to any school he wants and that will take him including KU or even JuCo, he just might not be able to play basketballs at schools under the NCAA and he might have to pay tuition like any other student.

@JayHawkFanToo Okay, edit that to, "He could play NAIA or D3." I thought that was obvious, but maybe not.

@mayjay

Maybe you need another cup of coffee...just yanking your chain...😇

@JayHawkFanToo Well, you do have a history of occasionally nitpicking.... not that I don't....

@mayjay

Res ipsa loquitur

@JayHawkFanToo Loosely translated, I believe, as "NASCA is noisy" and I heartily agree.

JayHawkFanToo said:

I would think that there are back channels schools use to get off the record info from the NCAA and I will guess the word is there will not be a waiver and this is why there are really no takers left.

That's my guess, too. Or... the NCAA has refused to give out any back channel info on him at this time.

I do think his threat to sit out is just a push back on the NCAA, trying to pressure them to agree to a waiver.

It wouldn't be bright for Mitchell to sit a year. He can train all he wants to... but what he needs is floor time in competitive D1 games.

@mayjay maybe that's where the Nasca lines came from...

@KUSTEVE Crap, I never saw my typo. That was supposed to be "NASCAR is noisy".

@mayjay I like the typo better. It adds mystery to the guys that go round a circle 500 times.

@KUSTEVE Some of my best thoughts are expressed as psychos--I mean typos.

And Robinson is going back to WKU officially as of today.

@Texas-Hawk-10 http://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2017/08/28/report-mitchell-robinson-now-expected-back-at-western-kentucky/ ↗

Good for him. Disappointing for Dwight, though.

@Texas-Hawk-10 My first reaction is, what a dunce.

@mayjay thanks for the reminder on Coleby to WKU. Never occurred to me that Mitchell's PT time would be affecting Colebys.

And Bill Self sends Coleby back to the bench once again...

jSPN XTReme Rumor Mill...

Tyler Self is undergoing plastic surgery and a shin extension procedure in a San Antonio hospital and will come back as a 6-10 walk-on named Roy Lobbs. His full legend has not been agreed upon yet. But it is believed that a KU coed will be asked to wear a huge white hat to home games and a spot light will illuminate her whenever he goes in the game.