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Discussions of an Exhibition game for charity! I mean, we can all put aside everything for a game that doesn't count and for much needed proceeds to go to hurricane relief.

I'm fine with it. Also Bill Self is a WIZARD. Genius move to divert attention from the crappy UDK article at media day...

I would rather have the charity exhibition game against another blue blood; MU would not be my first choice, or second or hundredth...

@BShark You think he was just saving this for a rainy day?

Kcmatt7 said:

@BShark You think he was just saving this for a rainy day?

This seemed to happen pretty fast and it is a great distraction. Idk 100% obviously.

@JayHawkFanToo Sure. I mean I'd love them to play the Memphis Grizzlies. But that isn't going to happen. It is very logistical to have two local teams who will sell out the Sprint Center be the ones who play. I mean, both teams can bus in and bus out same day so there should be little to no travel expenses. And as far as exhibition games go, this one will have a fantastic edge to it. And it is a much better tune up game to have on the schedule than freaking Pitt State.

In fact, this could be a very cool tradition that starts. Exhibition games being granted immunity from the NCAA rules that don't allow D1 teams to play an exhibition game against one another, as long as the proceeds of that game goes to charity. Instead of paying a D2 school to come get smashed, teams could get real tune-up games and raise millions for charity. A win-win situation.

@Kcmatt7 I hate mizzou! All our guys could play.

@Kcmatt7

The small schools KU plays in the exhibition games, such as Pitt State, Fort Hayes, Emporia and so on derive the bulk of their budget from that one exhibition game and they use it as a big recruiting tool with players that otherwise would not play at AFH. It was started as a way of helping “Kansas” small program and it has helped these programs immensely so, I just don’t see it ending any time soon.

@JayHawkFanToo Agree. And I will add that I hope this Missouri thing is simply an extra exhibition and doesn't remove one of the others.

@BShark I don't believe this is an NCAA sanctioned game whereas the two exhibitions against Kansas schools each year are NCAA sanctioned and ineligible players cannot play in those games.

Texas Hawk 10 said:

@BShark I don't believe this is an NCAA sanctioned game whereas the two exhibitions against Kansas schools each year are NCAA sanctioned and ineligible players cannot play in those games.

Ok cool. Thanks for the info.

http://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2017/10/12/report-kansas-and-missouri-working-on-exhibition-matchup-for-this-month/ ↗

Still needs to be granted a waiver by NCAA.

I hate this idea. I want nothing to do with them. Find another team. UMKC for all I care.

@FarmerJayhawk Normally I feel as you do, but for the hurricanes I will be happy to hold my nose! Best way to generate lots of ticket sales is by this type of thing.

I miss the border war, just saying.....

I think the ONLY reason Missery is popping their little weasel heads up is now is - -they think they have a chance to compete against us with their class they brought in -they aren't concerned about anything doing with Charity - like I read from a fricken Mizzery post of Jayhawk Nation - -saying and I quote " wondering why the gayhawks still don't want to play - -the last thing he remembers is the gayhawks bent over and getting it put to them still mad that they left the conference'

These guys are relevant TO NOTHING - - they only hope they could pull this out - -that don't give a damn about charity. - -They left the conference - it's been our stance to have NOTHING to do with these pieces of crap - should always be that way you left - -stay gone. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

I'd like a resumption of the border war.

If Facebook is an indication (considerably larger sample than our forum), the overwhelming majority of fans do not want this game. Most indicated they would donate if KU does not play MU.

I say, if we are going to play another Division I team, let's play another top program and raise some serious money instead of giving publicity to MU.

@Texas-Hawk-10

I am confused. If it is NOT an NCAA sanctioned game, can they actually play and not get in trouble?

@JayHawkFanToo NCAA has to ok it. Playing for a charity will probably be ok

@JayHawkFanToo I'd donate to that fund.

@Crimsonorblue22

I am not sure the NCAA would be that open to this game since it would open a floodgate of "charity" games as a way of getting an extra game before the season.

@dylans

I would too.

@JayHawkFanToo ok then

@JayHawkFanToo Just read details, schools have to waivers because of how to close to the season it would be. Trying for Oct. 22 and only eligible players would be able to play.

@JayHawkFanToo doubt they could raise the same kind of money just taking donations.

@JayHawkFanToo what a world we live in that people are against raising millions for charity from basketball games.

Anyone who doesn’t like it or anyone who would “threaten” to donate money to a charity just so this game doesn’t get played has their priorities backwards. You wouldn’t donate other than to see this game not being played? What is wrong with you? How selfish are you? If you’re that person, you should not only NOT watch the game but you SHOULD feel guilty and donate the money anyways. I for one, will be more than happy to see 7-8 future NBA players get on the same court and donate money to charity (for which I have already donated money previously for). This is awesome and anyone who doesn’t see it that way needs to step back and see what good could come from this.

I hope this starts a trend of charity preseason exhibition games that literally raises hundreds of millions of dollars each year. What a great way to raise money.

@Kcmatt7 before calling people selfish, maybe you should know what they do for a living or in their spare time. I dislike mizzou so much! So many reasons.

@Kcmatt7Nothing wrong for hope - - Hope springs eternal - -But it Ain't happening - -it would become a mockery for some schools. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@Crimsonorblue22 doesn't make someone unselfish in this particular scenario. I don't care if Saint Teresa didn't want this game played. She would be wrong and acting very selfish.

Unless singular donations would raise more money than this game, not wanting it played is selfish. Childish. Whatever you want to call it. Putting your wants before the NEEDS of others. GROW UP. It is a basketball game. It doesn't mean a damn thing in the whole scheme of things in this world. But this one game could raise a million or more dollars for charity COULD mean something. Something to a lot of people. And yet, somehow, some people still would rather not see a freaking basketball game played.

Tell me @Crimsonorblue22 what would you call it if not selfish?

@Kcmatt7 any other team would be fine w/me.

@Crimsonorblue22 That isn't the scenario we are in.

A game vs. KSU makes no sense for either team strategically. UMKC wouldn't sell out. Wichita St. might have sold out. Maybe. Nebraska wouldn't sell out. There isn't anyone within driving distance who could play this game next Sunday and sell out the Sprint Center.

This is a guaranteed sell out and it will sell out in a day once tickets go up for sale. At outrageous prices I would assume.

Who else could make that work? Logistically. Who could get their team to KC to play a sold out game? Pull their players out of class for the time needed to play that game? Who would be willing to give up practices even if they flew in Saturday and left Sunday after the game? Nope.

I'm sorry, but this makes sense. Both economically and logistically.

Who would of thought the 24 year old on the forum would be the rational one in this discussion...

@Kcmatt7 Kinda enjoyin' your take, young whippersnapper!

KU sells out everywhere, against anyone, even in freakin’ Europe. That argument doesn’t hold water for me.

The comment above from @Kcmatt7 makes this obvious .. what other game would sell out so quickly he mentions? Right. OF COURSE. And I'm not getting into this debate again. I'm tired of winning this debate.

And KU didn't sell out the Sprint Center vs Georgia last year -- only 12,100 in capacity 18,972 arena.

@dylans you haven’t been to a Sprint Center game I take it. Or a preseason exhibition game where the GA, student or big donor seats aren’t full. Add another 3,000 seats to that and combine it with a one weeks notice.

Nobody sells that out. And not at the prices you can sell this game for.

This will sell out. BOOK IT.

@Kcmatt7

I respectfully disagree with you. Nobody used the word threaten, you did. A lot of people have donated already, I have, and would prefer to donate directly instead of doing it just because of a game.

You are questioning other people’s motives and priorities without knowing what they are. I don’t question your thinking or priorities on the subject and I am sure that you have your own reasons. It would be nice if you extend us who don’t agree with you the same courtesy.

BTW, wouldn’t it be less selfish to donate just because it is the right thing to do than doing it because you get to see a game? Isn’t it more of a quid pro quo than a donation?

Coach Self has indicated in the past that KU does not make much money playing in KC ($100K) and it only does it for the fans in the Metro area; KU makes more than 6 times that amount at a AFH. If you want to really raise money, play the game at AFH. The game itself will likely be a little more than a glorified scrimmage as the teams will not risk players on a meaningless exhibition game and mostly backups will play. I don’t believe you can expect people to pay full ticket costs.

Should have charged a small fee for late pm.

@JayHawkFanToo That is only assuming that the Sprint Center is actually charging both teams to host the event. I doubt that they are since they can just write this off as a charitable donation on their taxes and probably actually make more money doing that since they can get the full cost of the revenue they will "lose" written off of their taxes. As most corporations do. So instead of charging revenue and getting taxed on it. They can "donate" the facility and any revenue they would have made will be able to be written off on their taxes instead. So now they get their revenue plus the 33% tax they would have gotten on profits from it.

And, I guess we will see about ticket prices when they are released. I'll go ahead and bet that they aren't cheap and they do sell out. At full prices if not higher. I feel pretty confident that Devonte will still get 25ish minutes at the very least. If transfers can't play, I feel pretty confident in that because then only 9 guys would be able to play right? I bet Cuonzo plays his best for a lot of minutes as well. He needs to see what he has. This will be a lot more competitive of a game than you are giving it credit for. Devonte would have played 30 minutes in Rome if there was a close game. Bill is too competitive. I would count on the same for this.

Finally, I agree that it would be the right thing to do just to donate. Something I have (and you have too apparently) done already. But now this is a chance to get money from those who haven't donated yet. Or more from those that wouldn't have otherwise donated more. And those who say that they would donate money instead of seeing this game are only willing to donate money in order for this game not to happen. It isn't noble or less selfish. It is still a quid pro quo. Donation for no game is just as much of a quid pro quo as a donation for the game.

Can't we just donate the money to hurricane relief? this program makes enough money. Muck Fizzou

@jayballer54 I completely agree with you. They are only doing it because they are "good" (at least on paper) right now.

Any team but Mizzou. Invite Wichita State to AFH or Sprint Center, why not. Mizzou turned its back on a 100 year old rivalry. Shun them forever!

Kusports.com pretty heavy on the no too. Same w/phog. Not many want to hang out w/the trash to the east. Someone suggested isu, they bring a great crowd.

@Kcmatt7

And what taxes would that be? The Sprint Center is owned by the City and has a managing partner that runs the place and takes a percentage off the top, the rest is used to pay the bonds that were issued for the construction and currently, the revenue is not enough to pay the bonds and the city/tax payers have to foot the difference. The Sprint Center is in no position to give away badly needed revenue.

Do you really think the coaches will allow players go full blast for a meaningless exhibition game? The Italy trips was used to evaluate the level of play for the various plasters/lineups and I am pretty sure the coaching staff has it all pretty much figured out by now. If played, this will be no more than a exhibition scrimage, much like ones the team plays in the summer with former players. Can you imagine what would happen if they go full blast and one of the key players, say Doke, gets injured and is out for the season? That would pretty much ruin the entire season; no way Coach Self risks it in a meaningless game. Other than some early press, zero upside for a KU.

"Trash to the east"? I dislike MU with the best of them, but the foolish statements never cease to amaze me. It's just sports.

@JayHawkFanToo So are you suggesting they don't play full speed? How else do you play? You take it easy? You can get hurt just as easily in practice.

Play hard and kick their tails. Full out. Game on.

@JayHawkFanToo @Crimsonorblue22

@HighEliteMajor and I have previously disagreed on the issue of playing them, but not this time. I am surprised at the amount of resistance, because I always thought the best argument against playing was that there was no really good reason to. Now there is.

People also need to realize how much the kids might want to do this. They may have seen the fundraising efforts of UK. Many come from highly disadvantaged backgrounds and want to do something to help the many people who have been left virtually destitute by the storms. A game that brings enemies together for a good cause is a no-brainer. And pretty welcome as an example, actually, as our culture keeps careening toward deep rifts that threaten to become permanent.

As to all the worry about injury possibilities, if the coaches are willing to risk it, I don't think they need our oversight on what is wise. If the game were to be forced on the coaches, I would feel different, but why trust HCBS on everything about running his team except this?

HEM and I have used the divorcing spouses analogy before. In this case, it is like two spouses who hate each other working together to provide desperately needed emergency care to their kid.

There is a time to set aside grievances in service of a greater good. And consider the headlines if petulance rules the day: "KU Won't Play Mizzou Even To Raise Money For Hurricane Victims: Angry Fanbase Says It Isn't Worth It" with a sidebar on the UK total and other fundraising efforts.

@JayHawkFanToo First of all, a percentage off the top is funny. It is more like 50-50 split. Except that AEG gets the first 16% and then it is split 50-50 after that. Also, it is 100% AEGs decision as to whether or not the donate a game to charity. NOT the cities. Secondly, the city pays back those bonds with taxes on hotels and rental cars. Not the building itself. So, yes, AEG very well could "donate" the facilities and there isn't a damn thing that the city could do about it. Nor would it really affect the city in any way. The money the city makes from the Building, doesn't pay back the bonds. It is the reason that the Sprint Center has been upgraded before. Those funds go back into the building or to unrestricted city use.

And both teams will play their players. Last season, Frank played 52 minutes in two exhibitions last season. Devonte played 50 minutes. Josh Jackson played 45 minutes. Year before: Frank played 47 minutes in two games, Perry Ellis played 48 minutes and Devonte played 55 minutes. Year before that: Perry played 39 minutes. Frank played 45 minutes, Wayne played 41 minutes. The players we want to see will play 20 hard minutes damn near guaranteed. Which I would very much play full price for.

If the coaches already figured it out, why do we play the other two exhibition games? I mean that is also a meaningless risk for injury right? And yet our players appear to play hard and for 20 minutes at least. I just don't see your point being factual in any way whatsoever. You couldn't find data to support your claim if you wanted to. Bill Self is competitive and will play his team to win the game when push comes to shove. Doesn't matter who they are playing.

Do you, or do you not agree that paying to play is the same quid pro quo as not paying to play?

What is the main reason you are so against this?

I am also going to challenge you, @HawkInMizery, and @Crimsonorblue22 to start a crowd source funding page to try to raise money to see this game not happen. If you do in fact raise more money than will get donated to Hurricane relief than if the game were to be played, I will gladly succeed all points I have made. I won't watch the game, and I will donate to your fund as well. But, if you don't raise enough money, you should not watch the game or support it in any way and you should donate the cost of a ticket to charity anyways.

@HighEliteMajor Right? I call someone selfish for not wanting money to be donated to charity (not even asking them to donate the money themselves) and get crap from the very same person who then calls other people trash without knowing what they do on their own time.

@Kcmatt7 Well, it is always better to avoid negative comments about other posters.

HighEliteMajor said:

"Trash to the east"? I dislike MU with the best of them, but the foolish statements never cease to amaze me. It's just sports.

@JayHawkFanToo So are you suggesting they don't play full speed? How else do you play? You take it easy? You can get hurt just as easily in practice.

Play hard and kick their tails. Full out. Game on.

It's just sports should be the takeaway for everyone. Raises money for a great cause. Some people are nuts.

@mayjay I didn't actually specifically call anyone selfish... But agreed. I just got a little carried away when people basically said they would rather money not get donated to Hurricane relief that could really help people that now literally have nothing, than see this basketball game get played. But like I said, you are right, I shouldn't have called anyone selfish for that no matter how selfish it is.

The Phog thread on this is UNREADABLE in case anyone was wondering.

Kcmatt7 said:

@HighEliteMajor Right? I call someone selfish for not wanting money to be donated to charity (not even asking them to donate the money themselves) and get crap from the very same person who then calls other people trash without knowing what they do on their own time.

Are you referring to me? I have already donated to the Harvey and Florida victims since I have many friend in that state where my father lived for 20 years. Furthermore, I don't have any problem with anyone else donating and I don't seem to recall calling other people trash.

The exhibition games that KU and every other major program play are just that, exhibition games, where players do not have to go full blast because even at a fourth speed they will win the game and it helps in-state schools a great deal; you might say they are fundraisers of sort for those schools. These games are scheduled precisely because players have not yet reached their peak physical conditioning and less stressful games are need to are gradually get there. If KU plays MU, do you think that MU will come to have a simple exhibition game where both teams play a relaxed game just to entertain? Nope, they will come to get a win at all costs because for the first time in many years they believe they have a decent team and who knows when it will be the next time both teams play again.

I would be more open to playinmg Wichita State and make it an all-Kansas game and it probably raise as much or more money. Better yet, I would have preferred they charge a small admission fee to late night with all the proceed going to charity; a $10 fee would have raised $150K easily and with additional donation it could have been much higher.

Last, we all have our own opinions on the subject and we should respect them regardless of how different they are to ours. We can agree to respectfully disagree without getting personal, right?

It's me! I'm the selfish one.

@KCmatt7 Have you donated yet? I have and didn’t need to be given something in return. This is a great way to get people who wouldn’t donate just for the good of others to give, it’s a way to get selfish bastards to give something and feel good about themselves.

JJ Watt raised over 30 million dollars. Do you really think this is for Hurricane aid? Is it for the people of Houston or the Caribbean? Why wait until now while KU needs a distraction?

Did no one watch Indecent Proposal? No one wins that deal.

Unfortunately KU needs a distraction. Unfortunately this is a great one. I hate using charity as a cover.

This is like the alcoholic who swears he/she can have just one again.

@JayHawkFanToo I didn't refer to you in that scenario. I will be glad to agree to disagree with you, on the basis that I feel like you did absolutely no research or math or anything to further your argument other than rely on your stubbornness, emotions and assumptions.

mayjay said:

@JayHawkFanToo @Crimsonorblue22

@HighEliteMajor and I have previously disagreed on the issue of playing them, but not this time. I am surprised at the amount of resistance, because I always thought the best argument against playing was that there was no really good reason to. Now there is.

People also need to realize how much the kids might want to do this. They may have seen the fundraising efforts of UK. Many come from highly disadvantaged backgrounds and want to do something to help the many people who have been left virtually destitute by the storms. A game that brings enemies together for a good cause is a no-brainer. And pretty welcome as an example, actually, as our culture keeps careening toward deep rifts that threaten to become permanent.

As to all the worry about injury possibilities, if the coaches are willing to risk it, I don't think they need our oversight on what is wise. If the game were to be forced on the coaches, I would feel different, but why trust HCBS on everything about running his team except this?

HEM and I have used the divorcing spouses analogy before. In this case, it is like two spouses who hate each other working together to provide desperately needed emergency care to their kid.

There is a time to set aside grievances in service of a greater good. And consider the headlines if petulance rules the day: "KU Won't Play Mizzou Even To Raise Money For Hurricane Victims: Angry Fanbase Says It Isn't Worth It" with a sidebar on the UK total and other fundraising efforts.

Doesn't the level of resistance to this game give you pause? Are you right and well over 90% of fans wrong (according to most threads I have seen in several sports sites and social media)?

What makes you think the players want this? Most of the players have little knowledge of what happened in the past and how Missouri's actions seriously jeopardized KU sports viability. Had the conference dissolved, there was a good chance KU ends up in the Mountain West conference as many predicted.

In sports, I do not consider Missouri "the enemy," just a neighbor I with whom I prefer not to associate.

According to many studies, a good deal of sports injuries happen during practice before the season starts because athletes have not yet reached peak condition. This is why teams are brought along slowly and exhibition games scheduled before competition starts. Playing what could be a highly competitive game would not seem advisable hence my opinion that it might not be played at full speed.

Maybe the headline should be Kansas teams (KU-WSU-KSU) raise money for hurricane victims, challenge Missouri teams to do the same. BTW, I did not see UK playing anyone to raise money, right?

Last and more important, in your divorce from HEM, who is the husband and who is the wife? Inquiring minds want to know. :smiley:

We live in a weird world. Just a couple years ago I was putting the idea up that we should restart the border war because real rivals can't be manufactured by shoeco marketeers. I stated a level of envy at the UK vs UL rivalry. Didn't take them many years of playing again to label it "the greatest rivalry in college basketball."

Look how everything seems to be flipping. The UK vs UL rivalry is under threat because of UL's troubles. Meanwhile... suddenly Kansas has a reason to play Missouri again. I wondered how long it would take for this rivalry to return. When people fall in love, it is really tough to keep them apart. The same can be said for people who hate each other. Throw in all the publicity... and money... and now we have...

"AMERICA'S RIVALRY!" Yes... the new marketing slogan for this. And it does fit. It's about hate, money and fame! Ha... Bring it on! lol

But seriously, you all know that if we lose this game we will be pushed right back into the rivalry again. You think we will sleep good at night with a smackdown hanging over us?

@dylans You may have missed it or just jumped in halfway through without reading the thread, but I already stated that I have donated. And I did not need to donate for anything in return either.

Does it matter that a lot of money could be donated to Hurricane Aid? Why do we care if it is a cover-up? As long as money does get donated to people who very much need it, does it matter?

I don't even think it is a cover personally. It takes a little more logistics than just calling up the Sprint Center and Mizzou and asking them if they are free next Sunday. The timing was purely coincidental. That story the UDK published was trash and a great big nothingburger. It hasn't even been picked up by a major network because I'm sure that they file FOIA requests all the time and literally get the same response.

Kcmatt7 said:

@JayHawkFanToo I didn't refer to you in that scenario. I will be glad to agree to disagree with you, on the basis that I feel like you did absolutely no research or math or anything to further your argument other than rely on your stubbornness, emotions and assumptions.

...and yet you are still getting personal. SMH.

I have nothing against raising money for hurricane relief, but I don't get why suddenly THIS is this "cause" to play an exhibition game. If it was to help after a catastrophe in Missouri/Kansas (like the Joplin tornado), it would make more sense to shake hands and entertain the fans for a regional cause. The motivation smells fishy to me.

And by fishy, I mean that I wouldn't be surprised if people at Mizzou came up with the idea.

@JayHawkFanToo Factual. Not personal.

@DanR Bingo. Of course it smells fishy. It is fishy. It is cover in my opinion. The reality is that this is a first step where we can save face and get back to playing our real rival. We can then all say we liked it so much, the fans loved it, blah, blah, blah, and then we'll be back playing again. Where we should have been after a year post-MU leaving. But when you're so rigid out of the box, backing off is very difficult. Look, as I've pointed out here many, many times, the hypocrisy of not playing MU while playing all the other defectors, is undeniable at this point. This allows us to grow up ... er, move forward. And allows Self an out. But that's all just speculation here.

And I do apologize for the jabs at the "don't play MU ever, ever again because they betrayed us and hurt our feelings and cheated on us and we don't gain anything from playing them because it's better to play Davidson or Utah or Omaha and, Chase Daniel picked his nose on TV and, well, they're just bad people" crowd. It's not right for me to poke a little fun on this topic. Again, my apologies.

Everyone, please smile .. we'll kick their a**.

@JayHawkFanToo If @HighEliteMajor and I can actually agree on an end resolution to something, if not the cause of the problem, then yes, we are probably right and you are wrong. That actually cannot be true of an opinion about "should we play?" but since you asked I think the path of helping people, even if playing against a school you despise, is the correct one and, given the choice, the moral one.

And I think fundraising efforts like this are designed to generate donations as well as ticket sales. In which case, to be tax deductible, there will likely be major auditing to ensure funds collected get donated as intended.

Finally, to anyone saying they would be happy instead to attend a charity game for local causes instead of this--Wow. Just right altruistic of you. Puerto Rico or the VI just don't rank up there in deserving your help? (Texas and Florida were hit hard but have vastly more resources to draw on, and are geographically located to obtain resources, so my focus is the islands.)

Bill Self hoping to raise over $1m with this. I think it is safe to say ticket sales will not be an issue.

Kcmatt7 said:

@Crimsonorblue22 That isn't the scenario we are in.

A game vs. KSU makes no sense for either team strategically. UMKC wouldn't sell out. Wichita St. might have sold out. Maybe. Nebraska wouldn't sell out. There isn't anyone within driving distance who could play this game next Sunday and sell out the Sprint Center.

This is a guaranteed sell out and it will sell out in a day once tickets go up for sale. At outrageous prices I would assume.

Who else could make that work? Logistically. Who could get their team to KC to play a sold out game? Pull their players out of class for the time needed to play that game? Who would be willing to give up practices even if they flew in Saturday and left Sunday after the game? Nope.

I'm sorry, but this makes sense. Both economically and logistically.

Who would of thought the 24 year old on the forum would be the rational one in this discussion...

Do you need help with your broken arm? The one you are patting yourself on the back with? You'll swallow any explanation given, won't you?

@EdwordL !alt text ↗

Bill Self? It's kinda like some political clown recently said about the U.S. Secretary of State: I like him alright; I just wish he was a little tougher! This bullet he bit probably chipped a couple of incisors.

@REHawk

Do you think the decision was made by people above his pay grade? figuratively speaking, of course...

Not going to be televised or streamed anywhere - -just going to be on each school's network. 200.00 courtside seats. - This is crazy but since it's happening kick their dam ass back to Columbia.

You would of NEVER EVER seen or heard ANYTHING out of Mizzery if it wasn't for Porter. - -Time for Class. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@JayHawkFanToo Heck, I'm not sure that anyone at KU sits above Bill's pay grade. But I do imagine that he was moved by some political clout; maybe something by way of future funding for the university...or bigtime donor advice. Perhaps BigShoe made the decision?

@REHawk

Since Coach Self is the highest paid KU employee, I used the term "figuratively;" many other decision makers above Coach Self.

It's been announced: we play Misery October 22nd:

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/kansas-missouri-renew-basketball-rivalry-to-raise-money-for-hurricane-relief-efforts/ ↗ ↗

@Kcmatt7

I would rather play North Korea than Fizzou!

And I oppose playing North Korea!

jaybate 1.0 said:

@Kcmatt7

I would rather play North Korea than Fizzou!

And I oppose playing North Korea!

I'd support that if it raised money. One huge caveat: Little Rocket Man does NOT get Big Dennis Rodman on his team.

@jaybate-1.0 I'm not happy about it. Now I'm the dirty rotten cuss that cares more about hating those egg sucking dogs than I do helping hurricane victims. So, I get to feel guilty while my team plays the low life Misery Tiggers. The end could be near ...hell might just freeze over.

@REHawk This game doesn't happen without Self's consent. He may not be the final word, but if he didn't want this to happen, this game doesn't happen.

@Texas-Hawk-10 “With that in mind, I contacted Coach Martin and discussed the possibility of us playing an exhibition game for the benefit of so many affected by the catastrophic storms. We both felt that this would be a great opportunity to impact others.”

@KUSTEVE I am with you. I am not against raising money for anyone that has had to go thru what all these people have endured. Here is my selfish side. Has anyone considered that we only have 8 players (9 after first semester) to run thru 30 some odd games this season? While playing this good deed game, what if Udoka were to injure his hand again, or Devonte were to suffer an ankle or knee injury? Or God forbid, any injury to any of our very thin roster. Our season is over!!! Yes, that could happen in any game, or even practice, but this is a game that is being added to our schedule that we had not counted on playing. I would hope that the powers that be could come up with other ways to raise money without putting our players at risk. Yes I am very much against this game, be it Fizzou or anyone. Guess we had better hope and pray for the best.

I am perplexed with Bill's change of heart.

I never threw away my old deer antler rack I used to stick in my grill when visiting Columbia. Guess I can dust that off.

Question for everyone... how long before the regular season rivalry is restored?

@jaybate-1-0 I hate dontating money too. THE worst. God forbid our university be associated with it in any way. I hope our current students and future alumni follow our current alumni’s lead and make sure that we never donate money to a good cause ever again. WHAT A PR NIGHTMARE! Self should probably be fired for this complete F-up. Absolutely embarrassing. If he ever even thinks about raising over a million dollars for charity again, he might as well pack up his office for good. Because I, for one, can’t stand when people can put aside their differences for a good cause. Just like the government, if it is bipartisan and good for the country, we probably shouldn’t do it.

drgnslayr said:

I am perplexed with Bill's change of heart.

I never threw away my old deer antler rack I used to stick in my grill when visiting Columbia. Guess I can dust that off.

Question for everyone... how long before the regular season rivalry is restored?

Self says this will have no impact on that and he still doesn't want to play them in a game that counts.

I suspect the actual gameplay will feel more like the NBA all-star game than a competitive game because that's how you minimize the injury risks and still entertain the crowd.

KUSTEVE said:

It's been announced: we play Misery October 22nd:

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/kansas-missouri-renew-basketball-rivalry-to-raise-money-for-hurricane-relief-efforts/ ↗ ↗

:poop: What a farse. Bill could raise more money just by asking. Wish I was wealthy enough to buy all the seats and make sure that sucker looks like a typical Missouri game. I’d hate for them to get spoiled by our crowd.

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Loyal fans supporting the team.

mayjay said:

I'd support that if it raised money. One huge caveat: Little Rocket Man does NOT get Big Dennis Rodman on his team.

Not buying this "if it raises money" argument for following reasons:

a.) not a big enough share will go to charity (too much will get pocketed before it reaches those in need), so they've got to come forward with the percentage of dollars raised that will get to those in need first;

b.) we can all pass the hat without playing Fizzou, and then the money won't be tainted with historical slavery and recent racism;

c.) already gave money without having to say the word Fizzou; and

d.) will never consider doing anything with Fizzou unless Missourah Governor promises to donate all proceeds from Missourah meth production until Missourah stops all meth production.

Best thing to happen to mizzou basketball since...

@jaybate-1.0 Who will be pocketing money?

What does Meth have to do with donating money and why would that be a caveat of yours in this scenario?

Please pass the hat around and see if you can raise $1m+ to donate. Let me know how much you get.

How would this game be tainted with slavery and recent racism?

@Crimsonorblue22 Looks like a picture of Memorial Stadium...

@Kcmatt7 but it isnt

@Kcmatt7 We will end up taking our medicine, but we don't have to like it. This feels like Quantrill's Raiders all over again.

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article178766236.html ↗

@BShark I read that. Mellinger is obsessed with trying to pressure KU into playing the egg sucking dogs every year. I think the exhibition takes the heat off Bill for not scheduling them from those that are caterwauling about us not playing them. smart strategic move on his part, although I would prefer we played UMKC. I think the draw would be about the same because our fanbase would buy up all the tickets. If we're being made to pimp a program, I'd prefer UMKC.

@KUSTEVE I actually agree with that. I would have preferred UMKC too.

I had no idea there was such support for MU here, kinda makes me sick. Showing true colors??? Personally I’d rather see them burn (along with Nebraska, Colorado, and Tamu). Now how can KU say no when the SEC/Big12 challenge wants to pair them in the future? I know I rather see KU play Kentucky or Florida than Missouri.

How much money could this game raise? $200,000-500,000? $50/ ticket at 22,000 seats (price it any higher and it will be mostly empty) Gotta pay the staff and police for crowd control. It’s not fair to ask the tax payers of KC to pay for this charity event.

I still say Bill could raise over a $ million just by asking for donations and 100% of it would go to the charity.

@KUSTEVE you just compared a basketball game to a massacre of 200 people.

@dylans I had no idea there were so many people here that are against donating money to charity. Talk about showing true colors.

Posted this earlier. The City doesn't run the Sprint Center. It is ran by another company. The City doesn't pay for the Sprint Center using funds made at Sprint Center. Instead it uses funds from a hotel and rental car tax.

The deal the City has set up is this: AEG Worldwide operates the arena. They get the first 16% of whatever gets made. Then it is a 50-50 split on the remaining 84% at the end of the year. City gets no say on if AEG would like to donate this as a charity game or not.

And, the tickets will average closer to $100 a pop when it is all said and done. That is $1,800,000 before they pay anyone. Even if they have to pay police and staff, they are looking at $1M. And, Bill said that he thinks this will raise $1M.

How does this game effect KU in any way. How does this game prop up MU in any way? The game won't even be televised Nationally. It is almost literally a pickup game that will be televised.

Bill Self's dad suggested they do this is what I read somewhere.

@KUSTEVE UMKC wouldn't have sold out in a weeks time. Can't sell out Georgia at the Sprint Center with months and months of notice. And you couldn't sell court side seats to it for $1,000ish a pop.

Ok MUMatt.

I don’t understand why you can’t grasp that this isn’t the only way to generate donations. I didn’t say don’t donate. I said don’t sell your soul. There is a major difference.

dylans said:

Ok MUMatt.

A real clever one are we?

@dylans But how can you raise as much money as possible?

"The opportunity to make an impact on those suffering as result of the hurricanes, through the game of basketball, is a great opportunity for our program," Kansas coach Bill Self said. "How can we raise money to send to others? To me that trumped everything else that we could possibly do."

Bill says exactly how I feel on this subject. And unless you can find me a way for a surefire $1M to be raised in a weeks time, maybe you should think about your own stance on it.

I just don't understand how an untelevised practice game is selling our soul. I would like to be enlightened though, if you could help me with that? Maybe I just don't see your side of it. I do in fact hate Mizzou. But, I do my best to not let emotion make my decisions in life. This game being played is logical from my viewpoint. I would like to understand yours if you could list out the reasons that you do not want this game played with an explanation. Feel free to write as long of a post as you need to be able to articulate your views, because I'll be more than happy to read it.

There are over 300 other Basketball teams that KU could play to accomplish the same goal. I feel KU could make MORE just by playing in Allen Fieldhouse and then they could control 100% of the costs to ensure the money gets where it is supposed to go. If it’s truly for charity wouldn’t UNC like some good pub about now? Or how about Kentucky/ Duke? Would they publicly pass on an opportunity to raise money for charity? How about playing Texas in Texas to raise money for Texans? I don’t see a good argument FOR missouri therefore I don’t see a need to further denounce them. (Game of throne’s reference here) It’s like the people who like the Lannisters. It doesn’t matter how dastardly they are the temptations are too great to stay away for the weak willed.

@dylans Read the article, there are not 300 teams. The realistic options are teams within bus range. 100% would rather do it with UMKC though.

@dylans Ok, but run the logistics of those suggestions through your head now. Do 16k people drop what they are doing next week to watch UMKC vs KU? Probably not. Can't get big donors to even show up for games they probably paid $1k a ticket for early in the season.

You have to keep it close enough that teams bus in. And the only other team that could sell out Sprint Center and bus in so that way both teams can keep a normal practice schedule is MU.

How about WSU? We owe those suckers! And they aren’t scum that tried to bomb our conference. Oh and they are a top 10 team. And a team that has sent us home recently. WSU is equally as unlikeable, much less shady, a better team than MU, and doesn’t piss half the fan base off. Also you can play the game in Lawrence or Wichita to keep the tax boon from the game staying in state. I hate that the soulless sprint center is in MO.

That is but one of the hundreds of other teams KU could be playing...

@dylans Not sure WSU would do it.

@BShark If KU fans wouldn’t buy up the tickets WSU fans would. That would add insult to injury after they likely whoop us in the scrimmage while taking it waaay too seriously. Marshall would probably get tossed...

@Texas-Hawk-10

Can it go that way?

Do you think the Mizzou players can go back on campus with their heads held high after playing a fluff game with Kansas?

I believe they are getting a lot of heat to really go all out and kick our arses. Meanwhile, we are treating this like an all-star game....

@dylans I would have been for WSU as well. And would have gone to that game too. But, I still don't think it would have sold out for as much per ticket in a weeks time. Which would have meant it raised less money. Which is the only aspect I care about when it is all said and done. What team can we play that allows us to donate the most money. And I just feel like Mizzou is actually that team on short notice.

I don't want to play Mizzou in a regular season game. At all. But this, I can put my hatred aside.

I wonder how many people who logistically can’t make it to a game would simply donate if asked? Maybe I’m missing it, but I still haven’t seen either university ask for cash donations. And if so when did this start? On day one or just this week? So I don’t feel as though the intentions are sincere which further increases my unwillingness to play Missouri.

@Kcmatt7

So what happens if we lose the scrimmage?

We will never hear the end of it. Never.

And then we are just going to remain silent and distant while being called "Chickenhawks" by the entire world?

I convinced myself long ago we need to kick this rivalry back up. It is a huge national event that has Kansas basketball in it. It's always real games instead of just another milktoast game. It can only help us get ready for March.

And actually, NOW is the time to bring it back so we can bump off the UK vs UL game as THE big rivalry game in college basketball. Someone is going to step up and take that mantle now. Might as well be us. Otherwise... it will be Duke vs UNC.

@dylans What if the idea never came to Bill until just recently? Someone said his dad was the one to suggest it. If you feel it is insincere there is probably nothing that can be said to change your mind and I'll gladly agree to disagree now that I understand your point of view better.

And I think that there is the assumption that, if you want to just donate, you should. But this is an attempt to get money from those who otherwise wouldn't donate.

@drgnslayr We move on and don't care about it because it's a scrimmage. Mizzfans are dumb and wouldn't shut up about it that's for sure though.

@drgnslayr If we lose, we lose. Hasn't WSU been calling us the Chickenhawks for years? Recruiting still seems fine. Program seems to be humming along like usual.

I do think it needs to be brought back at some point. But I'm not sure now is the time to officially, officially bring it back. If we don't bring it back soon enough though, it could be a rivalry that is lost. Which would be sad in my opinion. I think one Mizzou is a decent program again, it would only benefit us recruiting in KCMO and STL to whoop their a** every year.

I just think we need to wait until basically everyone who was involved with both universities during Mizzou's switch to the SEC is gone. At that point, I think everyone should be able to bury the hatchet.

I have a hard time believing Bill didn’t realize what was going on or that charity ball events are possible. Jaded I guess. But I’ve lost a ton of respect for Bill over this one. Just last year he was never going to play MU again as long as he had a say in it. I’d rather this was forced upon the program by the powers that be, than Bill’s idea (or his Dad’s). I hate everything about it. He had better win a ton of games in March to pay for the collateral damage.

@drgnslayr To hell with any validity to this madness or risking injuries to key personnel. I think he should only play walk ons & scout team. misery may just play whack a mole'. I say F_ them slavers ... What this really accomplishes is what they wanted since becoming an irrelevant element of the sec - Re open the door to the KC market they walked out on. Kinda like wantin to go back & sleep with the ex after the D. This only amounts to the screwin they get for the screwin you got.

A heck of a lot of anger and emotion being expended on a charity event. Much as I hate to say it, much of our fanbase is justifying @HighEliteMajor's accusations all along.

Maybe people should go back and read Lincoln's 2nd Innaugural Address. "With malice toward none and charity for all...." He was trying to wind down an actual Civil War and bring a country together. Pretty sure those of you objecting, if you had lived back then, would have accused him of being a sell out (as HCBS is being accused), and instead of healing wounds would have not rested until every last Reb was hanged.

And since it didn't happen then, well, by crickey, let's keep the hatred alive and get 'em now.

"Charity for all?" Oh, hell no! Not of it isn't set up the way we want!

@BShark

Wichita State would have sold out every bit as fast.

Never said otherwise.

@mayjay Thank you for making me not feel like an insane person.

@dylans Sad & sorry to say but a lot of middle America needs an "event" to be charitable - like golf tourneys, & tax shelters & so on ... just philanthropy by itself is not common for the middle class. Johnny Morris, Gary Morsch, or Bob Hope yeah. But Joe Schmoe likes his special interests served with a little tax credit on the side.

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@mayjay I’m glad Hitler didn’t ask to play hoops for charity. We’d have to pay to watch or be acccused of being heartless jerks whom bathe in the tears of our country men. Crazy. No one has said charity is bad. Many are just questioning wether the end justifies the means. (Hint it never does if you have to ask)

@globaljaybird What will be interesting is to see how the ticketed event gets valued for tax purposes. You can only deduct the amount that is in excess of the fair value of the event for which you receive admission. The ticket receipt had better spell this out. Maybe they will say it is free and the entire price is the donation. I hope they figure this out or the deducting fans might be unhappy to find out they are limited to $10 to $100 or so depending on location.

@dylans MU is Hitler? So, Self must be akin to Philippe Pétain, and the rest of us should be tried for collaborating?

"When one's life is centered singlemindedly around defeating the enemies one has or perceives he has, there is a deep risk of becoming much like one's own worst enemy."

@dylans So Bill Self is Hitler in this scenario?

Just to keep a list of things that have been said.

• This game has been compared to Lawrence being burned to the ground and the murdering of 200 people.
• Bill Self has now been compared to Hitler.
• We would rather play a game against the North Koreans than Mizzou.

Edit: Sorry, apparently MU not Bill Self was compared to Hitler. Where it says Bill Self in my post above, please read MU.

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@Kcmatt7 Don't forget that the charity's purpose is not worth it.

@Kcmatt7 Umm I compared Missouri to Hitler.

@dylans Yea that isn't any better lol. I'll edit my post above.

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It certainly isn’t to MUmatt

@Kcmatt7 Yeah, @dylans is right on that. MU, not Self--he is merely less respectable now and has to do penance.

@mayjay That's right. Forgot about that.

@Kcmatt7 Is it ok with you if I have a different opinion than you?????? Have the game at the Phog.

@KUSTEVE I think he is ok with other opinions but the antagonism to the event is pretty deep. Your idea of the Phog is interesting but I can't imagine why MU would do that.

@mayjay Thank you. @KUSTEVE I'm ok with a different opinion if the opinion were as simple as, I'd prefer to play someone else because I think it would made just as much money.

I have then made the point that KU vs. MU is the most likely to make the most money on short notice and work logistically. Nobody has made a point to counter that and provided support for that claim. Some have said WSU. I think WSU would have been great. I think it would have been very close to a sellout. But I'm not as confident that it would be as I am with MU. Being as how MU has a larger fan base in KC than WSU and more alumni. So I think the safer bet to sell out the arena would be to play MU.

I like the idea of playing at the Phog. But, if the Arena space is donated at Sprint Center, and we can squeeze in another 2k people which raises even more money than we could in Allen, it only makes sense to have it at the Sprint Center.

Kcmatt7 said:

@dylans So Bill Self is Hitler in this scenario?

Just to keep a list of things that have been said.

• This game has been compared to Lawrence being burned to the ground and the murdering of 200 people.
• Bill Self has now been compared to Hitler.
• We would rather play a game against the North Koreans than Mizzou.

Edit: Sorry, apparently MU not Bill Self was compared to Hitler. Where it says Bill Self in my post above, please read MU.

I think we'd destroy North Korea. Trump can use it as his bomb and end his stupid war of words with the fool over there!

@Kcmatt7 You and I have some major fundamental differences that we will never be able to gap. I appreciate the back and forth but there is no further need for discourse, this will be my last post on the topic feel free to answer as you wish.

You clearly want to see the MU vs. KU game happen. I do not. I would rather see the WSU vs KU game happen. I feel WSU is a more appealing and worthy opponent it seems you do not. You imply the largest city in kansas with the wealthiest family in the state (Koch) couldn’t muster the same finiacial support that KC missouri fans would bring to the table. Nevermind that KU already owns the big money in KC, but playing MU is just splitting the same city. Financially there is no major upside to playing MU vs. WSU. If a team is to benefit from the matchup it’s whomever plays against KU, so why lend a hand to MU instead of an in-state top 10 team? People from Wichita would travel much further than 3 hours to watch WSU play KU.

Hell, tell the Koch’s that KU will play WSU in Wichita if they will donate $1millon. Don’t tell me they wouldn’t be able generate $1,000,000 in donations in 48 hours in Wichita for that. And then the gate procedes go on top of that. Zenger is a moron. Lou would’ve been able to generate 5x the money if he so desired.

Please try not to accuse people of being selfish or unwilling to donate to charity just because they don’t want to donate the way you do. It’s simply a bullying tactic that will make many dig in to positions counter you just to be contradictory to your stance. Can’t side with you so they must be against you by default. (Us vs. them dichotomy as approx has pointed out.)

That is my stance. I appreciate that you do not see it that way.

Kcmatt7 said:

@dylans I had no idea there were so many people here that are against donating money to charity. Talk about showing true colors.

There you go again with your worn out straw man. NOBODY is against donating to charity...N-O-B-O-D-Y. In fact is quite the opposite. Many of us have indicated that we should donate money to charity because it is the right thing to do and not because we expect something, i.e. a game, in return like you appear to endorse. Keep telling yourself this if it makes you feel better.

How does this game effect KU in any way. How does this game prop up MU in any way? The game won't even be televised Nationally. It is almost literally a pickup game that will be televised.

At this time the MU program is barely sticking out its head from the dumpster fire it has been in recent years and where it will go back after Martin leaves after the customary 3 years. Playing KU gives the program credibility and exposure it badly needs. Playing Wichita State could have raised as much, and if you consider the potential side bets between the Koch’s and some of KU’s well heeled donors, considerably more. The headline would have been Kansas teams raise lots of money for charity and challenge Missouri teams to do the same...much better all around.

Remember when I suggested it would a glorified scrimmage? I was told this would not be the case; you guys that favor this game should make up your minds.

@Kcmatt7 I compared one unwanted invasion from Misery to another unwanted invasion from Misery. You love the game...many of us hate it.

Ok -- Hate, scum, racism, massacres, Hitler, pimp, slavery, Philippe Pétain, and little rocket man. All in one thread. Right or wrong, it's MU's fault. They inspired this vile, yet very entertaining, thread.

Can we all please agree, like the game or not, worried about injuries or not, that Self should play this game full out, full throttle, take no prisoners and run them into the ground?

@HighEliteMajor Hubba, hubba.

JayHawkFanToo said:

Kcmatt7 said:

@dylans I had no idea there were so many people here that are against donating money to charity. Talk about showing true colors.

At this time the MU program is barely sticking out its head from the dumpster fire it has been in recent years and where it will go back after Martin leaves after the customary 3 years. Playing KU gives the program credibility and exposure it badly needs. Playing Wichita State could have raised as much, and if you consider the potential side bets between the Koch’s and some of KU’s well heeled donors, considerably more. The headline would have been Kansas teams raise lots of money for charity and challenge Missouri teams to do the same...much better all around.

Remember when I suggested it would a glorified scrimmage? I was told this would not be the case; you guys that favor this game should make up your minds.

SWISH !! You nailed my feelings entirely about WSU & this "urgent" call for a charitable event. Seems as a knee jerk deal like this with misery is incredibly short sighted AND foolish. Up selling other potential philanthropic events is simply a no brainer. Bucket challenge ?? Why did we not keep this all in our own state's tax base in Kansas & let misery stand alone knee deep in the world of shit they have invited to Columbia, anxiously awaiting Lucifer's command to "get down on all fours boys, coffee break is over!" ?? Let em sleep in their own free dorm cesspool.

Self tried to do a good thing and Mizzou still stabbed him the back by leaking it before they had the details worked out. GO FIGURE.

Also... mark my words: it will get ugly, if not on the floor, then in the stands.

Believe it or not, I have a funny Hitler story: On October 14,1980, Sec'y of State Edmund Muskie came to Ann Arbor to speak on the occasion of the 20th anniversary of then-candidate JFK's speech where he announced the plan to start the Peace Corps. Just as JFK did, Muskie spoke on the Student Union steps. A few members of a student organization called the Spartacist Youth League started shouting out slogans objecting to various US foreign policies ("1, 2, 3, 4 We don't want your Mideast war" -- this was during the Iran hostage crisis and after the failed rescue; and "Peace Corps is a CIA front"). Then they started trying to drown him out with questions about things not remotely related to the Peace Corps like "What about Greece?" (or some such place) and "What about Afghanistan?" which the Soviets had invaded.

The other thousands of us listening in the audience were really disgusted that about six nitwits were trying to ruin the event set up to celebrate the beginning of an idealistic volunteer organization. Finally, my friend yelled out, during an odd moment of silence, "Yeah! What about Hitler?" Everyone just cracked up at the apt satire.

The idiots yelled a few more times and then Muskie broke off his sppech and made a brilliant response, paraphrased here to the best of my memory: "You who are here raising your voices, why not raise your arms instead? Raise your arms up to help people who don't have the food you have, who don't have the water you have, who don't have the luxury you have of attending school, let alone college? Why not join the chorus of volunteers who have raised their voices to say 'Yes!' instead of 'No!'?" Audience went crazy. Idiots shut up.

So, when people bring up totally irrelevant crap, my personal shorthand is always "But what about Hitler?"

Maybe not so funny. But a really cool memory.

Wikipedia: "The Spartacist League is a Trotskyist political grouping. They are the United States section of the International Communist League (Fourth Internationalist), formerly the International Spartacist Tendency....

In the United States, the group is small but very vocal, and its activities within leftist-activist coalitions and wide-scale social justice protest movements usually focus on presenting a pole for regroupment and recruitment of subjective revolutionaries on the basis of an internationalist, Bolshevik-Leninist program. Among the American left the Spartacist League is considered particularly notorious for its defense of the North American Man/Boy Love Association and Roman Polanski, and defending North Korea from capitalist restoration."

Hmmmmm, kind of strange, that we are having this exhibition game on a Sunday afternoon at 3:00 when the NFL & Chiefs play? - You would of thought it might of been better on a Sat - -or even during the week sometime - - kind of a strange time - -& day. - gonna be competing with NFL games and possibly the Chiefs. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54 The Chiefs do not play on the 22nd.

Yeah, the Chiefs have a Thursday game for next NFL week. Self knows what he is doing.

@Kcmatt7

Meth revenue donations will cover a $1M the first hour. The next year will be gravy!!!

This game will cause battery sales in the KC area to sky rocket, as the Meth Tiger fans will come loaded for bear. Will they issue helmets to our team when the batteries come reigning down?

Hmmm interesting. Somehow my post from last night got deleted - - -again? - -hmmmm , well anyways I'll post it - - -AGAIN.

What I said was last night was , found the date that they decided to play this game kind of interesting, the reason being it's being played a week from today at 3:00 in the afternoon - -Sunday, which means it will be competing against the NFL games AND the Chiefs more importantly, so might be you lose SOME to that.

I just thought they could of found a better time like Saturday night after the College football games neither K-State or KU playing at night I don't think - -Mizzery? - - -WHO CARES when they play lol. Going to be interesting game. Again I don't think you would of seen these guys even begin to show ANY kind of interest if they didn't think they could come in and whup our butts because of Porter and crew - -to which I say - Ya ok. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@mayjay Are they organizing for the Antifa movement? The scuttlebutt has been the leaders of the Antifa have a connection, or have been advocates/spokespersons for the Man/Boy Love Association. My mother is a bitter Trump hater down to the bone, but some of these leftist groups make her look like a far right conservative with their violent views.

@jayballer54

Your post is there. I have noticed that posts frequently do not display, particularly if you scroll up, I know it happens on the iPad; you need to refresh the browser and it will show up again.

As far as the schedule, on short notice you really do not have much of a choice and have to take what is available. There are events scheduled months, even years in advance and many of those require stages that take days to setup. BTW, the Chiefs are not playing that Sunday.

BShark said:

Yeah, the Chiefs have a Thursday game for next NFL week. Self knows what he is doing.

@jayballer54

@KUSTEVE Consider the batteries just the MU students making another donation of goods needed in the 85% of PR still without electricity.

@JayHawkFanToo Ahhh, thanks on all points. - -Good to know, was freaking me out wondered where the heck my post go lol. - - Ya guess that does make a lot of sense your right, just had to find ANY kind of open date before the regular season started thanks again - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@BShark What's this a high horse 🐴 ? Go figure. ... don't fret think we figured it out ...

@BShark No worry Chiefs choked for over 50 years, nothing different this season either

@globaljaybird Your request for moderation has been granted.

@BShark Did I miss something with the banning of @globaljaybird ?

Unless there was something behind the scenes, I sure think we all can handle a few cranky posts once in a while. :confused:

@DanR I want him here.

Shoot I didn't think could post if you waa banned

I unbanned @globaljaybird. Please stop antagonizing people. The nitpicking has to stop.

Has anyone ever been banned in this forum before? I can’t seem to recall anyone...

@JayHawkFanToo very early on I banned a guy that wouldn't stop cussing at people. I unbanned him after a day or two, and I think he came back but eventually moved on. All the people on the current ban list are spam accounts.

@BShark is a global moderator, and global moderators have the ability to ban. We've talked about this incident and the ban was intended only to be a couple hours for gb to chill out. I hope we can hit the reset button and move forward.

This game with Fizzou is just having sex with your ex-wife after both of you meet up 10 years later at the hospital waiting room seeing a dying relative. Mortality and time passage make you both forget how much you hated each other. Hollywood movies work this sick cliche endlessly. But this isn’t a movie and Fizzourah was the worst thing that ever happened to KU basketball.

If Bill were really serious about raising money, then sell “Muck Fizzou” t-shirts at the game along with fifths of McCormack’s Whiskey with labels reading: “DRINK ME AND THROW ME AT THE MU COACH FOR CHARITY! MUCK FIZZOU!”

Ah for the bad old days!

Don’t do it!

Abusive relationships are sick!

DON’T PLAY FIZZOU AGAIN!!!!

approxinfinity said:

I unbanned @globaljaybird. Please stop antagonizing people. The nitpicking has to stop.

Weird, that shouldn't have been necessary. I set it to two hours so it should have just rolled right off by the time of this post.

Oh. I had no idea the bans had a timer on them @BShark. Thats something new since last I banned. Yeah maybe the timer doesn't expire correctly on this version of the board. Entirely possible.

jaybate 1.0 said:

This game with Fizzou is just having sex with your ex-wife after both of you meet up 10 years later at the hospital waiting room seeing a dying relative. Mortality and time passage make you both forget how much you hated each other. Hollywood movies work this sick cliche endlessly. But this isn’t a movie and Fizzourah was the worst thing that ever happened to KU basketball.

If Bill were really serious about raising money, then sell “Muck Fizzou” t-shirts at the game along with fifths of McCormack’s Whiskey with labels reading: “DRINK ME AND THROW ME AT THE MU COACH FOR CHARITY! MUCK FIZZOU!”

Ah for the bad old days!

Don’t do it!

Abusive relationships are sick!

DON’T PLAY FIZZOU AGAIN!!!!

This is good. :joy:

I wouldn't worry too much about playing them again. Self seems mad that Missouri peopled leaked it first even though it was his idea.

@BShark

Thanks for this ray of hope!

@jaybate-1.0 It's like if you had an old friend that is an addict. Oh I've really cleaned up this time, they say. Okay I'll trust you THIS ONCE we can meet up, just show up sober. Then they show up, high on meth. That's Missouri.

@BShark

And they cracked the sudafed themselves!

@BShark

Hey, let’s have the players collect sudafed donations and set up two meth labs at center court at half time and have the two teams see who can crack and sell the most Meth to the fans. That will raise even more money...especially if we play the game in Cape Girardeau!

LATENIGHT WITH METH

THE REVIVAL OF THE BORDER CRACKING WAR!!!

Cracking bad for a good cause!

Freemasons playing Black Jesuits in Vatican City could raise some money, too!

How about the Rothschilds vs the Ayatollahs in a natural gas field in Iran? That would raise some money!

@jaybate-1.0 Special appearance by Walter and Jessie from Breaking Bad..

@approxinfinity

Thanks for the heads up, I seem to remember now something about it....and I need to remember to be nice to @BShark...🍻😇

@JayHawkFanToo Heh. I'm not going to be banning people right and left. But if all that is done is antagonizing other members I think there at least needs to be a discussion.

jaybate 1.0 said:

This game with Fizzou is just having sex with your ex-wife after both of you meet up 10 years later at the hospital waiting room seeing a dying relative. Mortality and time passage make you both forget how much you hated each other. Hollywood movies work this sick cliche endlessly. But this isn’t a movie and Fizzourah was the worst thing that ever happened to KU basketball.

If Bill were really serious about raising money, then sell “Muck Fizzou” t-shirts at the game along with fifths of McCormack’s Whiskey with labels reading: “DRINK ME AND THROW ME AT THE MU COACH FOR CHARITY! MUCK FIZZOU!”

Ah for the bad old days!

Don’t do it!

Abusive relationships are sick!

DON’T PLAY FIZZOU AGAIN!!!!

Maybe the funniest thing I've seen posted this whole year. Thank you for the monday pick me up!

**This game with Fizzou is just having sex with your ex-wife after both of you meet up 10 years later at the hospital waiting room seeing a dying relative. Mortality and time passage make you both forget how much you hated each other. Hollywood movies work this sick cliche endlessly. But this isn’t a movie and Fizzourah was the worst thing that ever happened to KU basketball.

If Bill were really serious about raising money, then sell “Muck Fizzou” t-shirts at the game along with fifths of McCormack’s Whiskey with labels reading: “DRINK ME AND THROW ME AT THE MU COACH FOR CHARITY! MUCK FIZZOU!”

**Ah for the bad old days!

Don’t do it!

Abusive relationships are sick!

DON’T PLAY FIZZOU AGAIN!!!****

PHOF.

@dylans I think you are dead on: Lew would have been able to generate 5x the money, probably with a worthier opponent. Like dragonslayr, I can't understand Bill Self's change of heart. What the deuce inspired him to seal this horrendous deal? Is he not in charge of his schedule?

@REHawk I think it’s just the least painful way to re-initiate the series. They are dipping a toe in the water, breaking the ice, whatever cliche you prefer. But it’s a pre-curser to a new on-going series while it’s still fresh enough to be able to be revived.

I still say KU owes MU nothing. There better be a big payday for Kansas somehow (experience, money, national exposure, recruiting).

@REHawk @dylans

I have a sneaky suspicion that there is something going on behind the scenes that we don't know and probably will not know any time soon. While the story is that it was Coach Self's idea, MU jumped the gun and went public before the details were finalized obviously trying to take credit for the event which apparently did not sit well with him; I believe this put an end to any thoughts of re-starting the series any time soon or while Self is coaching at KU.

@JayHawkFanToo Well, something just doesn't seem right about Self's decision. I know that he probably leaps at the chance to get in an extra glorified practice contest with a real outside opponent; but WHY MIZZOU? Seems very bizarre to me. I am an old Missouri resident, and I had hoped to see KU stay shy of treacherous Tigers until I was in the grave. Kansas could have played some other opponent and earned more charity money with less bitter reprisal and grief.
Bill Self either is not in control or is a weaker man than I had long calculated.

@REHawk I think it was posted on here, Self's dad wanted him to do it.

You all realize this MU embargo is over, right?

UK to play Morehead State on Oct 30 for hurricane relief.

S Carolina "in talks" to play someone. I suspect Winthrop or Citadel, b/c Clemson and Coastal are already on schedule.

We started a trend!

@REHawk @Crimsonorblue22

I am leaning this way. I honestly think KU cold have played Wichita State and the place would have sold out even at AFH with half the ticket going to them; WSU has a very large and loyal following. Or maybe a KU, KSU, WSU scrimmage where the teams ply each other in one 20 minutes half and the event was kept all Kansas. It could have then challenged MU to do likewise with Missouri State and UMKC or St. Louis and raise twice the money.

As far as being Coach Self dad's idea, why would he suggest something that he knows his son is very adamant against it? Makes no sense to me.

@HighEliteMajor

If you read Coach Self's comments apparently it was his dad's idea (this baffles me) and he went with it but MU leaked the information, basically taking credit for it. I heard from someone that knows someone that is related to someone familiar with the program he was pretty upset and realized once more the treacherous nature of MU and the chances of playing them again are not impossible, of course, but highly unlikely. The SEC-Big 12 series might be the only hope.

@JayHawkFanToo See this article:
The real reason Bill Self is OK with Kansas playing Missouri — and just this once ↗

"[Self's] dad was then the head of the Oklahoma Secondary Schools Activities Association, and the idea was awesome in scope and spirit: every school from the highest levels of Division I all the way down through Division III, junior colleges and high schools would schedule one more game, with all the money going to Katrina victims...When the disasters hit, Self went back to his dad’s idea."

So his dad's idea (from 2004 and not related to Missouri) was the inspiration - but Self decided on Missouri.

@ParisHawk

One correction, Katrina happened in August of 2005 so the proposal to have the games and donate money to its victims could not have been done in 2004 and this was long before MU left the conference in 2012.

Again, I find the selection of MU at this time very odd based on Coach Self's known opposition to the idea and when other options were available. I still believe something happened behind the scenes that we don't know. Kentucky is playing catch up and playing in-state small school Morehead State.

Remember that for many years most of us truly believed that KU got over penalized by the NCAA due to the Askew incident that prevented KU from defending its NCAA title, only to find out recently that KU was really facing the death penalty. Sometimes things are not what they seem.

Bill is smart. He was being attacked for not playing Misery, so he gets to slay that dragon in a game that has no bearing on our record, while raising a ton of money for a great cause. Plus, it gives us an extra game to prepare for 'Tucky ( which is why 'tucky is playing an extra game as well ).

Seems likely that for at least a year, some fans are going to gnash their teeth over the choice of Mizzou. Okay, we get it you don't like it. And, considering how fast the tickets sold, I am not buying @JayHawkFanToo's contention that 90% of KU fans are against it. Yes, WSU might have sold out, too. But who cares at this point. The decision is over.

Of course, if KU doesn't win the title this year, we know what will be blamed.

JayHawkFanToo said:

@ParisHawk

One correction, Katrina happened in August of 2005 so the proposal to have the games and donate money to its victims could not have been done in 2004 and this was long before MU left the conference in 2012.

Thanks for the correction. I don't get the part "this was long before MU left the conference". There is no relation between Self's dad's idea and Missouri. That was my whole and only point. Again, the article claims Self was inspired by his dad's idea to play a charity game. He - Self not his dad - then chose Missouri as the most expedient opponent.

I hope that is clear and that no one will think Self's dad had anything to do with the choice of Missouri. Right or wrong, Coach Self alone determined that Missouri was the best (or only) choice as opponent.

mayjay said:

Seems likely that for at least a year, some fans are going to gnash their teeth over the choice of Mizzou. Okay, we get it you don't like it. And, considering how fast the tickets sold, I am not buying @JayHawkFanToo's contention that 90% of KU fans are against it. Yes, WSU might have sold out, too. But who cares at this point. The decision is over.

Of course, if KU doesn't win the title this year, we know what will be blamed.

Nice try.

First of all, 100% of KU fans are for the game but at least 90% of the fans are against playing MU. Look at the various KU sports related forums and social media such as Facebook and Twitter and you will see overwhelming opposition, again not to the game but to the opponent. I live in the KC Metro Area and in the last week I have talked to literally dozens of actual KU fans, since this is a popular topic around these parts, and not one supported playing MU.

KU could be playing North Korea or Iran and tickets would still sell out in minutes. You could be opposed to your kid's future spouse but you would still attend the wedding, right? 9,000 tickets to sell is not that big of a deal and not at all an indicator of approval of the opponent. Most of the tickets were sold to donors for whom this is more of social than a sports event, and students; no tickets were left for sale to the general public.

@JayHawkFanToo Well I'm not against it so 89.99999%

I say that because I think those who oppose tend to be more vocal about it.

@ParisHawk

I agree. However on the part about being his dad's idea and according to the article you cited:

"He didn’t mention that specifically in his public comments on Friday, making only a vague reference to an attempt to raise money after Hurricane Katrina in 2005."

I still find it odd that Coach Self would select MU.

ParisHawk said:

@JayHawkFanToo Well I'm not against it so 89.99999%

I say that because I think those who oppose tend to be more vocal about it.

Fair enough.

I hope the hoops charity game idea sweeps the country...and at all levels of play, Division 1 right on down to Jr. High. But I am still opposed to Self's choice of opponent. KU should totally leave those traitors in their own garbage heap.

This series is back on. Bank on it.

@HighEliteMajor Uh huh.!0_1508466707288_rdj-eye-roll.jpg ↗

@KUSTEVE "If possible, speak in drive thru order taker lingo, as they are fluent in this language."

I fear that KU will always have that football-player-stuck-in-the-drive-thru-window thing to live down, so you might choose a different insult!

Remember Missouri has done some good things like invent the tooth brush, because if it was invented anywhere else it'd be a teeth brush. If meth and whiskey were vitamins people from Missouri would be the healthiest alive. Missouri where the men are men and the sheep are scared.

Any idea if this game is on National television?

joeloveshawks said:

Any idea if this game is on National television?

Pay per view for 40 bucks

http://www.kuathletics.com/news/2017/10/19/mens-basketball-showdown-for-relief-to-be-televised-via-pay-per-view.aspx ↗

I was wondering how much. Had to be $40 or else people who bought $40 tickets because it wouldn't be televised might have gotten upset.

@Kcmatt7 kinda stinks in a way because I'm not buying a practice game for $40. I know I'm a tight ass but I've already donated to hurricane relief twice and that's just too high. I suppose someone will buy it and it will raise more money ig.

I'm not buying it either and I have donated to hurricane relief. I'll listen on the radio.

I plan on buying it with a group of friends and just split the cost 4 or 5 ways.

Signed up! Incidentally, to continue the tax issue previously mentioned about tickets, no info given on deductibility. I think it probably isn't deductible because you get to watch the event and $40 might be the value for PPV. The company donating all fees must get the deduction. Might be more on this sometime.

@mayjay

$40 for a hyped up scrimmage (yes, I know is a charity fund raiser...) is a steep amount for a lot of people and it is really more of a quid pro quo. Considering that a single NBA game is $6.99 and you can buy the entire season for around $120 (?) the PPV seems very high...yes again, I know...it is for charity. I wish they would have made it $10 and they would have had 10 time more people getting it and raising a larger sum in the process. I visited with a several KU fans today and none are getting the PPV but a couple would have at $10.

I contribute/buy constantly tax deductible tickets, school fund raisers, charity events and so on and I don't believe I have ever kept track of those under $100 or claimed them on my taxes and I don't believe I am atypical; most people I know except for very few are the same way so the tax angle is really partially or mostly irrelevant, at least it is for me. Considering that you are getting something for your "contribution" it might not even be tax deductible.

I donate to charities with the lower overhead such as Catholic Charities which consistently has a very low overhead as well as St.Jude's; I no longer donate to the Susan G. Komen fund since it has become very political and donates large sums to organizations that I don't care for and unrelated to their primary objective. Also, any call I get related to the Fraternal Order of Police I hang up since they are for-profit businesses getting the bulk of the money and a tiny fraction going to the Police, basically a legalized scam.

@JayHawkFanToo I think the cost has to do with the price of tickets. You risk pissing off donors if you have the PPV be less than the cost of a ticket when you originally advertised that it wouldn't be televised.

@Kcmatt7 bingo!!! We have a winner!

@Kcmatt7

There is a huge difference between watching the event live at the arena than on a PPV stream. Typically the actual tickets are considerably more expensive than PPV. Do you really think that it would not have sold out if it was announced it would be on PPV? I personally think it would not have made any difference at all.

@JayHawkFanToo I think it would have sold out. But, they didn't plan to stream it originally. And advertised it that they wouldn't stream it. So to make it less than the cost of a ticket could possibly piss people off who only bought a ticket because they were told several times that it wasn't going to be on TV.

I am not arguing that the price should be lower. I think it should. I am not arguing that they wouldn't have sold out. I think they would have.

I just think they are trying to be fair. Nobody gets to witness this game for less than $40.

I don't agree with it. But I do see the logic behind it.

Sure glad it don't cost the same to watch a game at home as it does to watch it at AFH.

@Kcmatt7

I thought actual tickets for the game were $25, except for the very expensive court side ones.

@JayHawkFanToo That is possible, I don't know about the prices before they were going to be offered to the general public. I do know that $40 was going to be the cheapest you could get public tickets though.

Watch people pay for the scrimmage on PPV. Why? KU-MU. Rivalry deniers are losing.

@HighEliteMajor

What number of PPV buyers do you believe would make your case? 10,000? 50,000? 100,000? How few would it take to disprove your premise? Less than 10,000? 5,000?

@JayHawkFanToo Actually, I never disagreed with his premise that huge numbers of fans would want it renewed. I only disagreed with @HighEliteMajor over the reasons people, including Self, had for not wanting to play them. Value judgment difference, not a misunderstanding of rivalry popularity. He kept attributing it to cowardice and the like. I to simple distaste for MU.

@mayjay

Ok, fair enough. Would you care to answer the question I had for @HighEliteMajor about how many PPV buys it would take to prove or disprove the point?

@JayHawkFanToo Nah, the popularity is good for the fundraising. I wouldn't care on the rivalry itself if it was 1 person or 10 million--I still don't like 'em and absent the charity would prefer not to play other games even if everyone disagreed.

Then again, I cannot stand cilantro, BMWs, rap (or pretty much music after 1982), Warhol, weightlifting, and sweaters, all of which are popular with millions of people. To each, his/her/its own!

@JayHawkFanToo Nothing can disprove my premise, because my premise is irrefutable. The rivalry is good for KU and we are better for having it. 100+ years of history, "hate" (in the sports sense), historic games, never ending banter, Norm, Roy, Sutherland, Stipo, crackers shakin', disgusting Antlers -- I mean, come on. This is done. I have never heard anyone refer to KSU fans as the "trash to the west." The irrational vitriol proves my point even further. While I was critical of the statement "trash to the east" referring to MU, it makes me chuckle. It's awesome when we talk MU. I may whine that it's over the top, but life sometimes is over the top. It proves why our competition with MU is different. Our discussions here and the incredible interest in a mere scrimmage proves the point. But there is no proof needed. Everyone knows. And we know why we have not been playing MU. Only one reason. Because Bill Self says we weren't. Now he says we are. When he hears that packed arena for a scrimmage -- he'll know too. The fact is, he already knows. We're outside the five year statute of limitations for hurt feelings (statute of repose is irrelevant because we're aware of our alleged injury, right @mayjay?)

@mayjay2 While my chicken clucking around AFH reference may have been what stuck out here, and that's good, my rationale goes far beyond cowardice. Of course, I don't think Bill Self is a coward. The chicken clucking thing was how it makes us appear, and really, I meant that more related to WSU. But the point is a good one.

Regardless, not playing MU or WSU relies on extremely strained logic if one is to compare to the balance of our schedule.

I think we don't play MU because Bill Self felt betrayed by MU. That's it. Just like everyone else. Could he be a bit concerned about losing in a one game shot? Sure. At least can appear that way.

I have attacked that rationale for not playing MU, because, again, it is very strained. The hypocrisy of playing others that left (CU, NU, TAM), the value of the rivalry to KU basketball, the enjoyment it brings fans, how it makes us appear as a university to refuse to play, etc. Having a truly despised rival is part of being a great team/program. My position is not reliant on hurt feelings -- feelings being SOLELY emotional. The only logic for not playing MU has been voiced many times, was that they were the first to mumble realignment. I grant that. They did mention it first. To buy that, is to believe that if MU had not mumbled it, we'd still be one happy 12 team family. That is inconceivable. No one believes that. And the rest is emotional.

On the scales of logic, MU mumbling realignment is far outweighed by the steel on the other side.

No clucking chickens this weekend. We need to pound them by 20. Short rotation. Game on.

@HighEliteMajor I sit corrected on the MU rationale.

It is kind of funny, now that this is scheduled. The sun has risen every day, no worse pestilence and plagues than usual, and it is being done to help victims of disasters and hasn't caused new ones. My annoyance at MU has diminished. Life goes on. #Shocked!

I have mentioned that the value to KU fans is irrefutable. From Bill Self, "It was a bigger game because it meant so much to the fan base." Bigger than what? Nearly everything else, right? Save some late NCAA tourney games. And that's really been a main point. We loved it. It was great for us.

And Matt Tait's article is great -- http://www2.kusports.com/weblogs/tale-tait/2017/oct/20/now-more-than-ever-border-war-about-the-/ ↗

May we all join hands as one in our desire to absolutely and unequivocally destroy MU tomorrow?

Here is the link for streaming the game ($40) -

http://showdownforrelief.com ↗

@HighEliteMajor

Again, if your premise is irrefutable then the PPV audience should be huge, wouldn’t you agree?

On the other hand, if the PPV audience ends up being small then your premise is effectively refuted, again, wouldn’t you agree?

Let’s try this one more time, what is the magic number above which your premise is valid or below which is not? Not really a hard question...🤔

@JayHawkFanToo It is an easy question. But I simply don't know what is high or low.

@JayHawkFanToo There are many easy questions. It is arriving at the answers that is hard.

I just hope we don't lose. That would suck, even though it's not an official game.

@HighEliteMajor @mayjay

If you have confidence in your premise it should not be that hard.

Considering how fast tickets sold we can assume each school could have sold out the arena by itself with additional people waiting; that is 20-30 thousand additional fans that would have wanted to watch the game live and would be candidates to buy PPV. If only one third of those do it, that is about 10,000 buys locally. Add another 10,000 per school nationally and you should have 30,000 PPV buys...if the game is as big as you claim. A KU-UK or KU-Duke game would easily sell that many.

As comparison, UFC fights routinely sell well over a million buys at $100. The Maywether-McGregor sold 4.5 million with a revenue of well over $400 million.

@JayHawkFanToo You can argue all you want, but you're just grasping at straws. Everyone is talking about this game. Even you.

@HighEliteMajor

I am not going to the game or buying PPV and likely will not even listen to it unless I am in the car. Not really that big of a deal for me.

@JayHawkFan I guess that doesn't surprise me, though you have spent a lot of time talking about the game, telling everyone how much of a big deal it isn't:thinking: . I'm sure you will enjoy watching a cooking show, or the NFL, or taking a nice walk in the park. All reasonable alternatives. I'm convinced a very high percentage of KU nation will be tuned in -- by PPV, at the game, or on the radio. I was at a HS football game last night and every KU fan I talked with was figuring out some way to tune in, except one who had a couples baby shower (ugh).

I'm also sure a very scant few will actively boycott, still complaining about mean old MU going to a better conference. MU is just horrible.

All in fun.

Let's destroy them.

*Took me about 3 minutes to find that stupid emoji.

@HighEliteMajor

Actually, I spend Sunday afternoons visiting with my 92 year old dad at his retirement home and with his dementia he has no interest in sports. Considering how little time he has left I see it as a no brainer.

@JayHawkFanToo That's tough man. I empathize with you as my dad is starting to lose his mind a bit as well.

@BShark

Thanks. He has been in the Memory Unit for 6 years now. At the beginning he just forgot little things like which the day of the week it was but now he will not even recognize me some days even when he sees me several times a week. Pretty sad.

It's not that far yet in my situation but I also know it's going to happen it's just a matter of when. :(

@BShark

Sorry to hear about your dad. You prepare yourself for it and know what to expect but you are really never ready for it.

Just an FYI - Here is the announcement on the PPV, noting "tremendous interest."

"Our first objective was to sell out Sprint Center," Missouri and Kansas said in a joint statement. “Once we achieved the sellout so quickly, our fans who could not get tickets expressed tremendous interest in having the game televised. We wanted to make sure that the charities we've identified would be the only entities to derive revenue from this game. SIDEARM Sports has provided
the platform to allow us to create a second stream of revenue via this telecast."

Self said of the game: “The most anticipated exhibition game in the history of exhibition games”

But we can argue just to argue based on preconceived (or wishful) narratives.

For those not wanting to pay for the game, a number of bars/restaurants are apparently showing it. At the P&L downtown, the Peanut, Coaches, Johnny's, Tanners -- those are what I've heard so far. You might check the location you plan to go to, to make sure. Added - Jefferson's and Free State brewery.

Mizzou trash ready for this exhibition game.

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@BShark That's awful. Rivalries are fun. What an idiot.