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We had 1 leftover scholarship to give plus we have 2 graduating. I remember 2 seasons ago when Graham went toe to toe with Buddy Hield and came out looking like a future national player of the year. Could Graham be so dominant that he steels the show? Could Svi be second in scoring? I don't know if the NBA takes a look at Doke if he is 3rd in scoring unless he averages a double double and leads the country in shot blocking? Then there is Newman, and Preston followed by Vick. Do any of them even get an invite to the combine if they are 4th 5th and 6th in scoring? Unless KU wins the national championship OR Preston, Newman, and Vick step it up KU's 2018-2019 roster could be complete (which would be fine by me). There are a lot of games to be played between now and then BUT our coaching staff cant take another player until late with a clean conscience right? Taking another recruit could force a transfer or force an unfair RS on a guy that could be playing on any team in the country!

No.

Newman and Preston are 99% to leave.

Priority recruits the staff is still targeting: Quentin Grimes, Zion Williamson, Romeo Langford.

Remember when Cheick Diallo went pro after not playing?

@Statmachine If for some reason Newman returns next year, we don't get Grimes. Grimes will wait until it is clear that Newman is gone before committing is sort of what he has indirectly said in his interviews.

Definitely one of Preston/Doke will be gone, most likely both. The bigs that committed wouldn't have unless they knew this was the case.

RockkChalkk said:

Definitely one of Preston/Doke will be gone, most likely both. The bigs that committed wouldn't have unless they knew this was the case.

Very much agree.

Also fwiw McCormack before he had committed to KU mentioned in an interview that Self told him Preston would be gone. After he committed he said "nothing is certain" in regards to Preston but yeah.

I think we sign 3 more, and possibly take a late transfer depending on who stays and goes. Newman and Preston have pretty much booked their tickets to the combine. I still have questions on Udoka and Vick. So we can sign probably 5 easily. The last scholarship is TBD.

FarmerJayhawk said:

I think we sign 3 more, and possibly take a late transfer depending on who stays and goes. Newman and Preston have pretty much booked their tickets to the combine. I still have questions on Udoka and Vick. So we can sign probably 5 easily. The last scholarship is TBD.

I agree. - -I think we sign at least two -- maybe three. - - Strong for Grimes , then either Williamson or Langford.

Ok, we had one open scholi, then we know Devonte is gone -- 2 , - -Newman is gone - 3 - - Chances are Preston is gone unless he is just a complete flop - -don't see that being the case -- 4 - - -Vick tested the waters last year right - -I think 50/50 there - -so very possible 5 - -& then possible Doke - - - -So without a real hard stretch - -we could have 6 available - -we have used 3 - - So actually we have a decent shot of 3 more - -BUT I think we sign 2 - Best one I'm feeling Grimes - -The as much as I would like - - -I think Zion when it's said and done lands at Kentucky , which brings us to Romeo -I think we have a great shot for him - -finish up with Grimes and Langford - -very well could be Coaches best group ever. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54 you forgot Svi

RockkChalkk said:

@jayballer54 you forgot Svi

Oh damn your right - -old age slippin in lol - -We know he is gone for sure - -so there is 7 available - -possibly - -and think we give get two more. - -I just don't think we get Romeo AND Zion both. - -Maybe I'm wrong more likely I am but - -wasn't this 2018 class suppose to be kind of a lean year on the College front? - -I think we have done quite nicely - -current 3rd best class - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

OK my friends - -I stuck with McCormack all the way when some wondered what I was basing it on -We got him. - -Was on Devon from the get go -- - everyone here knows that - -not going to lie - -was kind of shaky sometimes - -BUT we got him

Now - - for my next pick - - -" YES " - -Quentin Grimes when it is said and done WILL commit to KU. - -This has been the easiest for me in my own head - -I think he has been our guy from day one - -so here it is - -Grimes is our next commit - -might be a spring time decision But he lands here. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Svi, Graham, Newman, Preston. Probably Doke. Vick depends on commits imo. That is a 6-7 recruit class to fill the roster. I'd lean towards 6. I would say it's bad to load up in one year for class balance but it's going to be a mix of multi-year guys, a OAD or two and I think Grimes is a 2 year player probably.

@jayballer54 don't get the big head now!

Only sure OAD we land would be Langford or Zion. I don’t think Grimes is. Just don’t see the athleticism. Unless the NBA thinks he’s a PG.

@jayballer54 I hope you are right. I would think Grimes would wait and see what Newman and/or Vick will do. If they both leave, I don't see why Grimes would not feel comfortable teaming up with Dotson, Garrett, and Moore. For that reason I think he will wait until next year, unless he decides to go elsewhere. Would really like to see Romeo and/or Zion come on board, as we will probably be pretty thin at SF next year. KJ, Sam, and Mitch will need some help. Should be lots of minutes for at least one or both of them.

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@jayballer54 don't get the big head now!

I'm trying not to just getting lucky - -MAYBE I need to go check my luck at Vegas lol - -let them roll lmao. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG - - COME ON SAY IT WITH ME let me hear EVERY ONE SAY - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

I think KU still gets Grimes and Langford.

FarmerJayhawk said:

Only sure OAD we land would be Langford or Zion. I don’t think Grimes is. Just don’t see the athleticism. Unless the NBA thinks he’s a PG.

Agree. Shot needs some work too. Which, if KU does get Grimes brings up a potential shooting problem for next year with Grimes, Dotson and Garrett all being not great there. Certainly will be different than what we've seen the last couple years or so but the perimeter defense would be really good.

Grimes would be a fantastic addition though. Obviously Zion or Langford would be fantastic but I could see Grimes/Dotson/De Sousa/McCormack/developmental prospect/transfer rounding things out and being very pleased with that class.

Big Clyde52 said:

Would really like to see Romeo and/or Zion come on board, as we will probably be pretty thin at SF next year. KJ, Sam, and Mitch will need some help. Should be lots of minutes for at least one or both of them.

Mitch is closer to a center than a sf based on his skill set imo.

My thoughts on KJ and Cunliffe have been well fleshed out at this point. It sounds like Self really likes KJ though.

Langford would be a great addition and would start at the 3 imo. Assuming Vick leaves in this scenario.

If KU doesn't add any other wings and Vick leaves I could see Garrett starting at the 3. Garrett is a great utility player to have around. Committed to winning.

Texas Hawk 10 said:

I think KU still gets Grimes and Langford.
Ride with me - - Quentin will be playing for KU next year - -% Romeo - -I'd say like about a 70/30 shot we got him we shall see - What a group that would be right? - - -Grimes - - - Dotson - - -DeSousa - - McCormick - - -& Langford - -look the hell out. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@BShark it’s not super popular, but I actually would rather have Langford for that reason. He’s the best pure scorer in the class at all 3 levels. I’m not sure how Zion would fit as a wing since he doesn’t have 3 point range yet.

@FarmerJayhawk Yeah I'm not sure Zion fits what Self wants to do or modern basketball as a college 3. He is powerful and bulky, I think you'd want him at the 4. Which brings up an issue because you want to start Dedric at the 4. I still think you have to take Zion if he wants to come here but I wouldn't be too bothered if he went elsewhere.

@BShark I’m that scenario I’d start Zion and Dedric at the 4/5. Assuming Udoka declared. I’m not sure what you’d do with all 3.

Time to sell the 4 guard look to Zion and Langford. Zion is going to play the 4 in the NBA too IMO and I think he knows it. If he does in fact grow the couple of inches he is expected to, definitely a 4. That makes me feel even better about how we used JJ last year. There is still room for both Zion and Langford. Just not Zion and Langford and Vick.

@FarmerJayhawk Win a lot of games probably. shit eating grin

But yeah, I feel ya on your point.

Being able to bring Big Dave and De Sousa off the bench would be absolutely amazing.

I still can't believe the start to this recruiting season. Closing guys we actually want is a strange feeling. I'm used to those 3 or 4 misses, Matt Scott telling me we will get guy #5 because we prioritized him and that was who the staff actually wanted all along and then missing on them and taking option #6. At least lately that has been the feeling.

Kcmatt7 said:

Being able to bring Big Dave and De Sousa off the bench would be absolutely amazing.

I still can't believe the start to this recruiting season. Closing guys we actually want is a strange feeling. I'm used to those 3 or 4 misses, Matt Scott telling me we will get guy #5 because we prioritized him and that was who the staff actually wanted all along and then missing on them and taking option #6. At least lately that has been the feeling.

Yeah this is pretty surreal. If you look at guys that were early period commits with no other factors (ie Preston being a back-up plan, a great one, but a back-up plan to Ayton) then we are looking at...

2017: Marcus Garrett (great relationship with his HS coach never considered elsewhere once KU got serious)

2016: Mitch Lightfoot (lifelong KU fan LOL)

2015: crickets

2014: Cliff (no comment), Oubre (loved KU, but staff did close him without him taking his UK visit so there is that)

So really, you are not wrong. It's been awhile.

It has been slim pickings early lately: Ellis? Selden? Peters, Frankamp, Lightfoot, Jacobs, Garrett, Oubre, Alexander.

The hyperbole about KU’s best class ever (not @buckets but elsewhere) is a bit pre-mature. The Chalmers, Rush, Arthur, Downs class was pretty nice. Esp. Following another top 5 class with all the players returning.

Then there are three top 40 players committing already this year. Nice!

dylans said:

It has been slim pickings early lately: Ellis? Selden? Peters, Frankamp, Lightfoot, Jacobs, Garrett, Oubre, Alexander.

The hyperbole about KU’s best class ever (not @buckets but elsewhere) is a bit pre-mature. The Chalmers, Rush, Arthur, Downs class was pretty nice. Esp. Following another top 5 class with all the players returning.

13 on paper was the best single class under Self. With my post I meant since 13 which is why I stopped at 14. Self cleaned up in 13 when he needed a big class and had many clear spots available, just like he has started to do again.

Arthur was not in the same class as Chalmers and Rush. He was one year later. Juju was in the Rush/Chalmers class.

Also I don't think listing RTs/donks like Peters and Frankamp is in your favour. :wink:

@BShark That’s right it was Wright not Arthur thus he was a year younger when he jumped.

Not a competition as far as I’m concerned just trying to recall.

@BShark I know which class I’d take ‘05 vs ‘13 given the results. The ‘13 class is making more money, but they weren’t nearly as successful in college.

3 top 10 guys in ‘13 = 10 losses and an early exit. It was just too young of a team. I hope we don’t run into that problem again after next year.

And yes the ‘13 class on paper is def. the best class after Embiid jumped up so high late in the recruiting cycle. Selden was a bit high at #6 imho.

dylans said:

@BShark I know which class I’d take ‘05 vs ‘13 given the results. The ‘13 class is making more money, but they weren’t nearly as successful in college.

3 top 10 guys in ‘13 = 10 losses and an early exit. It was just too young of a team. I hope we don’t run into that problem again after next year.

And yes the ‘13 class on paper is def. the best class after Embiid jumped up so high late in the recruiting cycle. Selden was a bit high at #6 imho.

The big thing is how the landscape changed. If Wiggins and Embiid were 2-3 year guys the class would look a lot different. Same for if you look at just the first year for the 05 class. For this reason I really like this class so far. Dotson is a multiyear player, McCormack is likely to graduate and we should see at least two years of De Sousa.

Agree about Selden. Some people probably look at Selden as a failure due to his ranking but I think the staff did a good job with him and so far he has been hanging around the league. Dude really could not shoot when he got to KU.

@BShark

Wiggins and Embiid? Went 1 and 3 in the draft...

@JayHawkFanToo It was still KU's least successful team under Self by losing 10 games that season.

JayHawkFanToo said:

@BShark

Wiggins and Embiid? Went 1 and 3 in the draft...

My point is just that OAD was much less of a thing back then. Though back then I think Wiggins is a guy that would have been straight to the NBA.

Texas Hawk 10 said:

@JayHawkFanToo It was still KU's least successful team under Self by losing 10 games that season.

No PG.

@BShark Not even KU's worst PG situation under Self and the PG situation wasn't even the biggest reason why that team struggled. That team was all 1st and 2nd year players within the program.

The 2018-19 is starting to look a lot like that team in terms of experience. Unless Vick stays, KU won't have any seniors in 2018-19 and Lightfoot would be the only guy in the program more than 2 years.

Self and KU need Lagerald Vick to stay for his senior year to provide that senior leadership the team will need to make a run.

Disagree.

@BShark Senior EJ was a much worse PG than So. That's and it's not even close. The 2013 team wins a title with better PG play. The 2014 was never winning a title with their lack of experience.

@Texas-Hawk-10

If Devonte is anywhere close to what Mason did as a senior, Vick might be tempted to come back and be the team leader and follow on Mason and Graham footsteps.

@Texas-Hawk-10 I think next year will be fine regardless of Vick staying or leaving. Having guys in the program a year before playing and in the case of the Lawsons already a couple years removed from HS helps a lot. Garrett as a player's voice that knows what the coaches want is nice too. Might take a bit longer to gel but I'm not overly worried.

@BShark The Lawson's maturity is a big issue. Neither is Tarik Black in that regard. Without Vick, Dedric is one of the leaders of the team and that should scare the hell out of a lot of people with his maturity issues.

And that 13-14 team had plenty of players who had been in the program for a year and more players who had actually played for KU than next year's team potentially and still did nothing to help that team. Even bringing in a senior graduate transfer did little to help that team.

I doubt we will ever see eye to eye on this. We will see who is right next year.

@BShark Just ask yourself this question in regards to how much experience means to a Bill Self team. Self has had to replace his entire starting line up 3 times at Kansas, how well has KU done in each of those seasons with a brand new starting 5?

In 2005-06, KU lost 8 games and lost in the 1st round of the NCAA tournament to Bradley. In 2008-09, Kansas lost 8 games again and lost to Michigan St. in the Sweet 16. And then the 2013-14 team lost 10 games and lost to Stanford in the second round.

That's what I'm basing my predictions on. What KU has done when in similar situations in the past and they've never looked like title contenders, and never came close to a Final Four in any of the previous times they've replaced their starting 5.

@Texas-Hawk-10 You are right and wrong at the same time concerning 2013, imo. That team went into freefall because an experienced "point guard" sucked. We might've been able to hide Tharpe's woeful game another game or two in the tourney if Embiid stays on the court, but after Joel went down the team simply collapsed. The lack of experience hurt bigtime. But Naadir's play hurt worse. That team truly had no ball handlers ...no passing ..it was the weakest backcourt Bill has ever had. Dotson comes in as a rookie miles ahead of anyone on that roster in 2013 ( Frank was just getting his feet wet ). Now, that doesn't mean he's Frank or Devonte, but guards have always adapted much quicker to Bill's system. And you have a lightening quick, relentless guard who specializes in driving to the basket, who is considered a phenomenal passer ...lots to love about about this kid. The kid gets a break by joining a very talented roster, with 3 college transfers coming in at the same time, along with 2 really good young freshmen on the front line. I would love to see Vick come back, but if he doesn't, I don't think that automatically means we'll have a sucky year.

@KUSTEVE I never said Tharpe was good, just that he was far better than EJ running the show.

Also 05-06 and 08-09 had better PG situations than KU will have next year (RusRob and Chalmers in 05-06 and JR. Sherron in 08-09) so even if Dotson is better than advertised, he's probably not going to be better than So. RusRob or JR. Sherron.

HELL NO. Not if Devon Dotson has anything to do with it. Love this kid's attitude to go get other recruits.

Already leading like a point guard. Go get 'em and bring 'em to the Phog. Get your team and bring a NC to Lawrence.

@Texas-Hawk-10 I think we're talking about who gets the shots. if we're going strictly by the numbers, and Mario's numbers were 11.5 ppg his freshman season because he wasn't a primary scorer...that wasn't his role yet. Yet JJ came in his fr year, and averaged almost 17, so it has to do with the role you have with the team. And if Dotson can drive to the hole, and can score or get fouled, Bill will utilize that. How many drives did TT and Frank take in their careers? He loves guards that take the ball to the rim. I think you are attempting to generalize numbers that were created by players that had different roles than what Dotson comes into when he steps in as starter.

@KUSTEVE Where did I say anything about the stats?

The 05-06 and 08-09 teams each had PG's with experience in Self's system whereas Dotson and Moore will have no game experience next year. There's going to be a much steeper learning curve at the PG position than we've ever seen at KU.

I'm trying to think of the nicest way to say it...

Russ Rob was...an okay player. Yeah I'll go with that.

@Texas-Hawk-10 There are exceptions to rules all the time. The truth is, our experience at point guard has overcome our lack of talent at pg ( not including Frank and Devonte after they developed ). Frank wasn't anointed starting pg when he signed, he fought and scrapped for it. Same with Devonte. These were top 100 type pgs who have developed into stars. They didn't instantly get starter's minutes. This will be quite a new experience for us...to first have a freshman running the team ( it does make you gulp ), and to have such a talented player. If Bill can take 3 star recruits and turn them into national player of the year, what can he do with a 5 star recruit?

@KUSTEVE It's not new though to have highly rated guys coming in and playing PG early on. Russell Robinson, Mario Chalmers, and Sherron Collins were all 5 star players who got rotation or starter level minutes from day 1 under Self. The difference is each of those guys had a more experienced player that ran the show the majority of the time ahead of them while Dotson won't have that luxury.

Robinson backed up senior Aaron Miles ahead of him, Chalmers played next to sophomore Robinson, and Sherron backed up senior Robinson.
Dotson is expected to be the man from day 1 and will have another 1st year player at KU backing him up in Charlie Moore who looked less than impressive in Italy.

@BShark Russell Robinson is still playing professional basketball. He wasn't the best scorer at KU, but he didn't need to be and he's been the best defensive PG of the Self era by far.

Texas Hawk 10 said:

@BShark Russell Robinson is still playing professional basketball. He wasn't the best scorer at KU, but he didn't need to be and he's been the best defensive PG of the Self era by far.

Back when playing defense was allowed. Not sure how he'd fare now.

Edit: Something we do agree on it seems is Charlie Moore.

@Texas-Hawk-10

Agree on RussRob. He came in to KU as a scorer and almost left the program when he was asked to be a ball distributor. Once he embraced the role, he became the key component for the ‘07-‘08 Title team.

OK so since Quentin's visit this past weekend , that now means he just has the one visit left right? - - Marquette? So do we think he will end up taking that visit or not? I still believe our biggest threat if there is one in this is Texas - not UK - Another example with friends on the team plus knowing a lot of their players - & I dunno but that little shit Shaka - he is making some in roads for Texas - -can't trust that guy lol.- Ya I think he takes his visit to Marquette .

One other thing , Now I know this won't be popular with what I say and I'm sorry but guys I just don't feel we are going to land Zion Williamson. - -Sorry - -just not feeling it.

I think with his connection with IQ & IQ and UK - that's where he lands. - -IQ was quoted as saying he had gotten a text from Zion saying UK was even better then he had imagined & he couldn't believe how the UK fans felt like family. -- Like someone else said it would be a little different if he was talking to the press like this - but this was with IQ -if it's with the press what do you expect the kid to say - -pretty much standard response - ya the school was great - -the visit was great - Some people saying cause a couple of CB now show Kentucky - they say well that's just because of his visit - normal - I don't think so - just like my gut was telling me about Devon - -same way with Zion - -just don't think it's gonna happen.

It will be ok though as I feel we have got a really good shot for Romeo keeping fingers crossed - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Schools that aren't KU on his list are window dressing. Don't @ meeeeeeeeeeee.

@BShark wish you were talking about Zion.

dylans said:

@BShark wish you were talking about Zion.

Grimes. I wish with Zion too, lol.

I like Zion, but the more I think about it, the fit is just weird. How do we play him? He’s a collegiate 4, but what if Udoka comes back? Do we square peg round hole him as a wing? I mean Self can figure it out, but I just think Langford is the better fit.

@FarmerJayhawk

Udoka plays center while Zion is a PF; perhaps you are thinking of Billy Preston that also plays forward.

JayHawkFanToo said:

@FarmerJayhawk

Udoka plays center while Zion is a PF; perhaps you are thinking of Billy Preston that also plays forward.

The point is you would want to start Doke, Dedric and Zion I imagine. Which creates spacing issues.

Man I’d love to have that problem. Heck throw in Langford so we have a minutes dilemma also.

FarmerJayhawk said:

I like Zion, but the more I think about it, the fit is just weird. How do we play him? He’s a collegiate 4, but what if Udoka comes back? Do we square peg round hole him as a wing? I mean Self can figure it out, but I just think Langford is the better fit.

Very good question.

What if Zion signs with Kentucky or Duke or one of the local schools Do you want to face him?

The more that I see of Zion the more I see the matchup issues he'll cause in College. Zion is an outlier physically and athletically at the College level. How do you possibly guard Zion with today's typical College 3 or 4 for that matter. It's a huge matchup advantage to have at your disposal and something I would love to see Self challenged with figuring out how to best use him instead of figuring out how to stop him. That is why I think he's a take no matter the fit.

Wow just read , good thing things turned out like they did it looks like. - At one time - -at one point a kid Ku was recruiting to some extent any ways - Emmitt Williams was arrested early this morning in Florida for Felony Sexual Battery & False imprisonment, - -man that's something we sure don't need. Thank goodness with us getting De Sousa & McCormack turns out not longer in the picture for us.

I would imagine schools might be backing off of him some now not sure but would reckon so. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Well I seriously doubt he is a take for Duke now. If he ever was.

@BShark

My point was that Doke and Zion do not play the same position where Zion and Preston do. Udoka returning would likely not affect Zion where Preston returning probably would. Nothing more than that

Just clarifying the point. Doke returning likely would mean Zion plays the 3 almost exclusively. I think he ends up at UK though.

@BShark

All hypotheticals at this point since we don’t know what Preston would do. If Doke and Preston return and Zion joins, KU would have one impressive collection of bigs, the equivalent of what it has in smalls now.

Don't think that situation is remotely possible.

Depends on whether Zion signs with KU and when he does it. Granted, not likely but possible.

Man, I like a wealth of highly talented bigs. It's been a while. Lets hope it all pans out. But I sure like the two we have heading into the stable right now.

I don't think KU is likely to land Zion, he just has the makings of a UK player.

UK will turn the pressure up on him if RJ Barrett signs with Duke.

UK does have a stable of forwards that play the 3/4 that could possibly be back next year so I think he'd want to know they are leaving before he signed but who knows maybe he's just the latest player to sign with them that has no issues who's on the roster.

The one advantage for KU here is Dotson committed and from everything we know they have a solid relationship. We "evened" the playing field with UK in that regards who also has his buddy Quickly signed.

@BeddieKU23 I think Zion is a wait until the Spring guy.

A lot of factors are going to be playing in to his decision. Obviously, it all depends on who comes back next season and who is signed between now and then. This reminds me of the Wiggins recruitment a lot. UK was in it with Wiggins and was probably the favorite at one point. But UK kept signing guys. And kept signing guys. And kept signing guys. Had an 8 man class, Wiggins would have made 9. I wouldn't have wanted to go play at UK either if I was him and trying to be the #1 overall pick.

Right now, I could see UK or KU doing the same thing. If KU lands Langford and Grimes before Zion decides, I'm confident he is UK bound.

If UK lands Grimes and KJ before Zion decides, I think Zion is KU bound.

If Doke or Vick return, I think Zion is UK bound.

If Gabriel or Richards returns, I think Zion is KU bound.

If UK lands Barrett, Zion to KU looks like a damn near done deal.

If UK and KU both end up too loaded, I think Zion might actually stay home and play for Clemson.

I mean there is just a lot for him to think about. And until it all plays out, I just don't see that decision coming soon.

Not to mention, the shoe deals that are going on in the background as we speak. Let's not pretend like Adidas and Nike reps aren't finding a way to communicate with him through back-channels and agents.

Oh, and how Knox does. If UK really really struggles and Knox sucks up the place and falls to like 20s and Diallo can't shoot and has to stay another year, why in the world would Zion's family trust Cal to get their kid to the NBA as a Wing?

@Kcmatt7 I think Grimes and KJ are mutually exclusive. Just my read on the situation. I also think UK is making a power play with KJ because they know where they stand with Grimes. MAYBE WISHFUL THINKING ON MY PART.

@BShark I would think so as well, but Cal defie$ logic $ometime$.

@Kcmatt7 Btw as for Herro I think KU should take his commitment if he wants to give it over waiting around for Romeo. Talented multi-year guy.

I think the smart money is on KJ ending up at Kentucky after pushing that announcement back.

Crazy that Herro isn't going to be a Badger. He's real good and it sounds like he knows it.

BeddieKU23 said:

I think the smart money is on KJ ending up at Kentucky after pushing that announcement back.

Crazy that Herro isn't going to be a Badger. He's real good and it sounds like he knows it.

Clickbait Jimmy assures me it's MD and that the dad loves MD.

@Kcmatt7

Good points, it might be beneficial that Zion waits until spring. Still a lot of moving parts as you have laid out some of them.

I think the two things work in our favor, Dotson and the previous wings that have come through this program recently. Self does cater his offenses around these types of guys so I don't think Duke and Kentucky can get away with negatively recruiting against Self in that regard. Dotson also was a player that had excellent chemistry with Zion and Zion would know what type of player would be setting up his shots and running the team.

This is the heavyweight recruitment we can definitely win. It seems unlikely but I wouldn't be shocked either

@BShark It would be hard to make a case against that. I'm definitely one of those "bird in the hand" types of guys.

However, I have my reservations about 6'5 sharp shooters in Self's system. Svi has not looked like we expected, BG was ran out of town, Andrew White was recruited right over, Alex Galindo didn't last, Giddens was never consistent before his incident, and Micah Downs bolted. It is almost like Self's break them down to build them up approach doesn't work with guys who are just shooters because their psyche is more fragile or something.

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

I think the smart money is on KJ ending up at Kentucky after pushing that announcement back.

Crazy that Herro isn't going to be a Badger. He's real good and it sounds like he knows it.

Clickbait Jimmy assures me it's MD and that the dad loves MD.

Watch that sentiment change. I think KJ has thrown a ton of misdirection at Maryland. He'll end up at Texas before Maryland and I think Kentucky is just going to show him he's their guy. That's how I see it

BeddieKU23 said:

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

I think the smart money is on KJ ending up at Kentucky after pushing that announcement back.

Crazy that Herro isn't going to be a Badger. He's real good and it sounds like he knows it.

Clickbait Jimmy assures me it's MD and that the dad loves MD.

Watch that sentiment change. I think KJ has thrown a ton of misdirection at Maryland. He'll end up at Texas before Maryland and I think Kentucky is just going to show him he's their guy. That's how I see it

He waited until minutes before the Dotson announcement, so it will be awhile. :joy:

BeddieKU23 said:

@Kcmatt7

Good points, it might be beneficial that Zion waits until spring. Still a lot of moving parts as you have laid out some of them.

I think the two things work in our favor, Dotson and the previous wings that have come through this program recently. Self does cater his offenses around these types of guys so I don't think Duke and Kentucky can get away with negatively recruiting against Self in that regard. Dotson also was a player that had excellent chemistry with Zion and Zion would know what type of player would be setting up his shots and running the team.

This is the heavyweight recruitment we can definitely win. It seems unlikely but I wouldn't be shocked either

Adidas did work getting that pairing to happen for a tournament. Not saying it wasn't all above board but they did work.

Kcmatt7 said:

@BShark It would be hard to make a case against that. I'm definitely one of those "bird in the hand" types of guys.

However, I have my reservations about 6'5 sharp shooters in Self's system. Svi has not looked like we expected, BG was ran out of town, Andrew White was recruited right over, Alex Galindo didn't last, Giddens was never consistent before his incident, and Micah Downs bolted. It is almost like Self's break them down to build them up approach doesn't work with guys who are just shooters because their psyche is more fragile or something.

Svi actually isn't really a sharp shooter though. He's been doing more things and he has always kinda been a volume type guy. Now Frank in his SR year, that was :moneybag:

BG and AWIII were not athletic enough to thrive under Self. I'll tell you though that AWIII was not ran out of town. :helicopter: dad situation.

Anyway I do somewhat agree with you on the general take. I think if KU is considering him they need to take a long hard look in regards to if they feel he is athletic enough to get minutes for Self.

Before anyone mentions Brady it's obvious why he played.

@BShark Like I said, 6'5 guys. Not Brady, Tyrell or Frank. They do enough things well that when they aren't making shots they can still impact the game. But when a shooter isn't even shooting well and then getting beat on D and Self is in their ear, I can understand why they break down.

As far as Svi goes, I think he has the skillset to do more offensively than he has. With that being said, he takes twice as many 3 balls as he does 2 point shots... So he has been in that role. And hasn't been bad, but just hasn't been great.

I loved AWIII. One of my favorite players who I think just got a raw deal. Worked out for him in the end it looks like. He was given every opportunity at a premier program and landed with the Celtics.

But long story short, there is somewhat of a trend... I think Herro will need to be able to play some D or score at multiple levels in order to succeed under Self.

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

I think the smart money is on KJ ending up at Kentucky after pushing that announcement back.

Crazy that Herro isn't going to be a Badger. He's real good and it sounds like he knows it.

Clickbait Jimmy assures me it's MD and that the dad loves MD.

Watch that sentiment change. I think KJ has thrown a ton of misdirection at Maryland. He'll end up at Texas before Maryland and I think Kentucky is just going to show him he's their guy. That's how I see it

He waited until minutes before the Dotson announcement, so it will be awhile. :joy:

Looks like Maryland a major player for one time target Jarius Hamilton. Remember his coach was a huge KU fan. A lot of programs went the other way on him after his poor summer. Tools to be a top 100 player but he certainly didn't play like one this summer. Maryland after someone to replace KJ I think

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

@Kcmatt7

Good points, it might be beneficial that Zion waits until spring. Still a lot of moving parts as you have laid out some of them.

I think the two things work in our favor, Dotson and the previous wings that have come through this program recently. Self does cater his offenses around these types of guys so I don't think Duke and Kentucky can get away with negatively recruiting against Self in that regard. Dotson also was a player that had excellent chemistry with Zion and Zion would know what type of player would be setting up his shots and running the team.

This is the heavyweight recruitment we can definitely win. It seems unlikely but I wouldn't be shocked either

Adidas did work getting that pairing to happen for a tournament. Not saying it wasn't all above board but they did work.

Agree I'm sure there was some influence involved. It's just like any Nike event held...

Kcmatt7 said:

But long story short, there is somewhat of a trend... I think Herro will need to be able to play some D or score at multiple levels in order to succeed under Self.

Pretty sure we are on the exact same page.

BeddieKU23 said:

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

I think the smart money is on KJ ending up at Kentucky after pushing that announcement back.

Crazy that Herro isn't going to be a Badger. He's real good and it sounds like he knows it.

Clickbait Jimmy assures me it's MD and that the dad loves MD.

Watch that sentiment change. I think KJ has thrown a ton of misdirection at Maryland. He'll end up at Texas before Maryland and I think Kentucky is just going to show him he's their guy. That's how I see it

He waited until minutes before the Dotson announcement, so it will be awhile. :joy:

Looks like Maryland a major player for one time target Jarius Hamilton. Remember his coach was a huge KU fan. A lot of programs went the other way on him after his poor summer. Tools to be a top 100 player but he certainly didn't play like one this summer. Maryland after someone to replace KJ I think

Clickbait Jimmy tells me MD would take both. Just like they would have taken Dotson and Ayala no doubt.

Oh and agree about Hamilton in general he played himself OUT of big offers this summer with his horrible shooting.

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

I think the smart money is on KJ ending up at Kentucky after pushing that announcement back.

Crazy that Herro isn't going to be a Badger. He's real good and it sounds like he knows it.

Clickbait Jimmy assures me it's MD and that the dad loves MD.

Watch that sentiment change. I think KJ has thrown a ton of misdirection at Maryland. He'll end up at Texas before Maryland and I think Kentucky is just going to show him he's their guy. That's how I see it

He waited until minutes before the Dotson announcement, so it will be awhile. :joy:

Looks like Maryland a major player for one time target Jarius Hamilton. Remember his coach was a huge KU fan. A lot of programs went the other way on him after his poor summer. Tools to be a top 100 player but he certainly didn't play like one this summer. Maryland after someone to replace KJ I think

Clickbait Jimmy tells me MD would take both. Just like they would have taken Dotson and Ayala no doubt.

Oh and agree about Hamilton in general he played himself OUT of big offers this summer with his horrible shooting.

He went from lock to stay in-state to lock to leave the state. Not saying Maryland wouldn't get use out of him but they need to take a big reality check with why they are even an option for him

Pitino suing Adidas, talk about biting the hand that feeds you...:smiley:

@BeddieKU23 If I was KU, I'd be as transparent as possible in the Zion recruitment and give them 4 or 5 different projected depth charts, ranked from the most likely to the least likely and where he would fit in those.

Scenario #1:
- PG - Dotson 25 MPG - Moore 15 MPG
- SG - Grimes 25 MPG- Garrett 10 MPG
- SF - Zion 30 MPG - Garrett 10 MPG - Cunliffe - 0 MPG
- PF - Lawson 28 MPG - De Sousa 10 MPG- Lawson 2 MPG - Lightfoot
- C - Doke 25 PMG - Big Dave 12 MPG - De Sousa - 3 MPG

Scenario #2 -
- PG - Dotson 25 MPG - Moore 15 MPG
- SG - Grimes 25 MPG - Langford 10 MPG - Garrett 5 MPG
- SF - Langford 20 MPG - Zion 10 MPG - Garrett 10 MPG - Cunliffe 0 MPG
- PF - Zion 20 MPG - De Sousa 15 MPG - Lawson 5 MPG - Lightfoot 0 MPG
- C - Lawson 28 MPG - Big Dave 12 MPG

Scenario #3-
- PG - Dotson 20 MPG - Moore 20 MPG
- SG - Vick 20 MPG - Garrett 12 MPG - Dotson - 5 MPG
- SF - Zion 20 MPG - Garrett 10 MPG - Vick 10 MPG - Cunliffe 0 MPG
- PF - De Sousa 20 MPG - Zion 10 MPG - Lawson 5 MPG - Lawson 5 MPG - Lightfoot - 0 MPG
- C - Lawson 25 MPG - Big Dave - 15 MPG

Scenario #4-
- PG - Dotson 15 MPG - Moore 25 MPG
- SG - Garrett 20 MPG- Dotson 15 MPG - Cunliffe - 5 MPG
- SF - Zion 20 MPG - Garrett 12 MPG - Cunliffe - 8 MPG
- PF - De Sousa 20 MPG- Zion 10 MPG - Lawson 5 MPG- Lawson 5 MPG - Lightfoot 0 MPG
- C - Lawson 25 MPG - Big Dave 15 MPG

Scenario #5:
- PG - Dotson 28 MPG - Moore 12 MPG
- SG - Grimes 28 MPG - Garrett - 3 MPG - Vick 10 MPG
- SF - Vick 18 MPG - Zion 12 MPG - Garrett 10 MPG - Cunliffe 0 MPG
- PF - Zion 18 MPG - Lawson 11 MPG - De Sousa 11 MPG - Lawson 0 MPG- Lightfoot 0 MPG
- C - Doke 23 MPG - Lawson 8 MPG - Big Dave 9 MPG

Either way, there is room for Zion and Self does a great job of showcasing Wings/4s. B-Mac, T-Rob, Wiggs, JJ, Selden, Oubre, Rush, Releford (12 ppg and 40%+ from trey his Senior year), Arthur and the Morris Twins all are examples of Self being able to exploit mismatches at the spot Zion will be playing. Nobody else recruiting him has that same resume.

If this were a 5 or a PG, Duke and UK probably have the edge resume-wise. But this is Bill's sweet spot. I like our chances.

@Kcmatt7 Nice breakdown.

@Kcmatt7

The math is slightly off in some of the scenarios but nothing big. You have Garret playing anywhere between 13 and 32 minutes, do you think there would be that much of a swing?

@JayHawkFanToo I do. Of course that mostly depends on landing recruits. Without Zion, basically assume any minutes he would have had at the 3 would go to Garrett if he doesn't come here.

The thing that will be interesting is how much KJ Lawson plays. We are obviously going to be recruiting the two younger Lawson's and their cousin. Dedric is basically booked for 25-30 minutes guaranteed. But KJ might not even see the floor depending on what all happens. And that could really make recruiting interesting.

@Kcmatt7 Not sure how serious of a target the cousin is. I think he ends up at UK. Solid point about KJ. Self seems to like him but if the staff lands all their top targets I'm not sure how he finds minutes.

@Kcmatt7 @BShark

If KU gets all of its targets it would be its best recruiting class ever and right up there withe best of all time in college basketball. I just don't think it will happen.

I believe we all can say that getting Grimes is likely and would round up the class nicely but then, playing time becomes scarcer and unlikely we get the other two; I would say we get one from Langford, Zion or Herro and call it a bonus. With the Lawsons and Moore also becoming available, it will be a large group of quality newcomers

Kentucky has only one commitment for 2018 and will have plenty of available scholarships and playing time so I will guess they will get a couple or three quality players before all is said and done. I understand they are now looking at Herro as well. ↗

@BShark I think the cousin ends up at UK too, but I do expect the staff to at least make a push.

I personally don't like, well pretty much any of my cousins. So it might actually be working against us to have them in this one particular scenario lol.

@JayHawkFanToo I do think Grimes + 2 random recruits that won't contribute next year is most likely. Let's say that happens while Newman, Preston and Vick go pro.

Guards: Dotson, Moore

Guard/Wing: Grimes, Garrett

Wing/small ball 4: KJ, Cunliffe

Forward: Dedric

Forward/C: SDS, Mitch

C: Doke, McCormack

Deep bench that won't play: said 2 random recruits one of KJ/Cunliffe probably.

Not as deep but still far down the bench: Mitch, other one of KJ/Cunliffe I would lean towards KJ here.

That still doesn't leave much for KJ/Cunliffe probably. I could also see Mitch taking a RS in this situation if he decides he wants to be around the program an extra year.

@BShark I agree with you, I think we land Grimes - -after that we might land another some lesser profile. - -I still think we got a decent shot at Langford - but if not I'm not going to lose any sleep over it/

I mean we land Grimes that gives us a pretty damn good recruiting class - -Grimes - - -Dotson -- De Sousa - - -McCormack. - -even if those four is what we end up with I won't complain by far - -BUT I feel there will be a fifth one somewhere. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@BShark Have to land either Zion or Langford in order to be a real NC contender next season in my opinion. Gives us length and depth at the 1-3 spots. It would amaze me if we couldn't land a Wing after what we have done with JJ, Wigs, BMac and Rush. And hopefully Vick or Svi can play themselves into the 1st round.

@BShark

Lightfoot is studying Engineering and I don't believe he has NBA or other basketball related aspirations, so, he will likely play 4 years, graduate and move on. Just my opinion and I could be wrong.

Kcmatt7 said:

@BShark Have to land either Zion or Langford in order to be a real NC contender next season in my opinion. Gives us length and depth at the 1-3 spots. It would amaze me if we couldn't land a Wing after what we have done with JJ, Wigs, BMac and Rush. And hopefully Vick or Svi can play themselves into the 1st round.

Agreed, Dotson was a great start. Dave and Silvio are definitely good players to throw into the rotation but the players we are after still on the board are going to be the difference in next years potential. That is largely assuming we lose Vick & Doke or 1 of them at the minimum

@JayHawkFanToo Yeah I have no idea to be clear which is why I phrased it the way I did.

Dammit all, I wanna get Zion at KU!!

@Lulufulu Sorry, but I just don't think it's happening. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@BeddieKU23 I will take senior Vick over any option in 2018 to play the wing.

Would love a 4th year out of Vick and I hope it happens.

I would love a 4th year out of Vick as well.

With How Self is recruiting the perimeter position we have a good guess that he's expecting Vick to have a big season and is recruiting accordingly

Ayo to Illinois as expected

Quinerly de-committed from Arizona.

@BeddieKU23

Wow, this is big. Does he go to Villanova or considers others? Every major program will be after him.

JayHawkFanToo said:

@BeddieKU23

Wow, this is big. Does he go to Villanova or considers others? Every major program will be after him.

Going to be a tall order for him to play anywhere with his connection to the FBI case.

And the bigger question is unless his name is cleared what school is going to take the chance?

@BeddieKU23

That is a really good point. I now recall that he is the unknown named player that signed with Arizona on or about a certain date and he also hired an attorney shortly after. Until he is cleared, and like you said, he will probably be radioactive; however, if he is cleared he will have every major program after him. I believe he is already 18 so the G-League would seem to be an option and of course he could also play overseas (China???)

@JayHawkFanToo He's not going to be cleared. He received a bribe from Book Richardson. The FBI has it on tape.

JayHawkFanToo said:

@BeddieKU23

That is a really good point. I now recall that he is the unknown named player that signed with Arizona on or about a certain date and he also hired an attorney shortly after. Until he is cleared, and like you said, he will probably be radioactive; however, if he is cleared he will have every major program after him. I believe he is already 18 so the G-League would seem to be an option and of course he could also play overseas (China???)

With what we know right now I would be extremely surprised to see him playing College Basketball next season. However he has a lawyer and I'm sure this will a very interesting story to follow in regards to how the NCAA views his amateurism. Quinerly wasn't going to be a OAD so I'm sure they will be fighting hard to get him eligible. Will be interesting to see if College coaches stay away from him because of the publicity that will come with him.

@KUSTEVE

Well, that puts and end to it.

@BeddieKU23

You mean he will be the Colin Kaepernick of college basketball? :smiley:

Will he sue the NCAA like CK is suing the NFL? Inquiring minds want to know.

@BeddieKU23 Can the NCAA rule him ineligible without any actual hard proof? I mean until these cases have gone to trial, the evidence will most likely remain hidden.

If I was Tubby at Memphis or Archie at IU, I'd take him in a heart beat. Nobody will care if all the games get forfeited at the end of the season as long as you have a good season.

@KUSTEVE YA his mom was given 15,000. - -. Interesting to see, looks like he is going to try and land at Villanova now. - -I don't think he plays one minute of College ball.

When it is all said and done I think he ends up going oversea's now and plays for a year then comes back and tests the NBA waters. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@Kcmatt7 They have them nailed to the wall. I have no doubt the FBI has tons of evidence, or they wouldn't have specifically referenced the actual case where Quinerly got the bribe in their press conference. I'm sure they have a money trail. This is obviously one of the gimmes...the open and shut case- they always lead with their strongest stuff. All of this will be shared at some point with the NCAA, I'm sure.

@Kcmatt7

He is 18 so I think he might be eligible for the G-League although I am not sure if they still require the 1 year wait. He can always go play at a prep-school in Canada like Thon Maker; eligibility rules there might be a little more forgiving.

So let me ask for people's latest take. Being brutally honest between the two who do you feel we have a better chance of landing - -Romeo Langford OR Zion Williamson.

Was just checking out Indiana Board and they have a thread and it says that he thinks Indiana is going to have to beat KU out for Langford - saying looks like KU is the school to beat -This coming from Corey Daniels from Rivals recruiting analyst.

I pretty much feel the same - -I just think our chances are better with Romeo then Zion - -Would love to have either one , Think I would have to hedge just a little to Romeo - -seems like more of a complete player but Zion is a stud - so what's your take? - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54 Out of Langford or Zion, I'll take a senior Lagerald Vick.

@jayballer54 Langford. I'd love to have both though.

Texas Hawk 10 said:

@jayballer54 Out of Langford or Zion, I'll take a senior Lagerald Vick.

Well actually your probably right, in the long run that would be the best bet. - -I mean these two guys are really good for sure BUT - - you can't replace experience - OR experience and talent. Could you imagine how we could stack up next year if Lagerald came back?

I just think we are going to have to wait and see how that turns out, I mean sure there is a possibility Lagerald comes back - -I just think - -well you can almost take it to the bank he is going to test the waters for sure - -If he has a solid year or above I think he is more likely then not he will be gone. - -I'm pretty sure this is one of the recruiting messages that Coach is also selling t these guys. - -Either way we gonna be good. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

dylans said:

@jayballer54 Langford. I'd love to have both though.
Ya me too but I think you and I both know - - - that's not happening. I truly think in the end Zion ends up at Kentucky , not that's what I want BUT just thin that's how it's going down.

On the article I read off the Indiana board from Corey Daniels the rivals analyst - he said Garland and Langford will have their visits all done by the end of October and see's a strong possibility of them both committing in the early period - -Man if we got Romeo - -you got to love it - -what a class. - Already got a hell of a class with the 3 we got and strong possibility of Grimes on top of that.

Speaking of Kentucky , Reading their threads, they don't sound very confident about their team right now - -yep early but they think they are going to take some whuppings. - -They some - quite a few actually said they don't think their is any way they are ready for KU when we play - - so young. - -I guess from their blue and White scrimmage - -umm not so much. - -Not that there is a lot to be put into this - -Kentucky will be Kentucky and they all say by March they should be ready to make a run - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

This is another Kentucky team that will have issues shooting the ball. Gonna have to get it done on D.

Well not for sure what to think on this. I knew we had been really heavy on Matthew Hurt early - -# 5 in the Nation. Then not sure if we backed off he backed off or a combination of the two. But when it came time for his officials we weren't even listed as one of the five - -figured that it was pretty much a done deal that we were out of THAT picture for one reason or another.

Then tonight I read that Coach Self was suppose to see him this coming Monday - -Oct 23rd. - - Then he is suppose to have an -un-offical visit to KU on November 17th when we play South Dakota St. - - So guess we are still recruiting him - -I don't really think a lot of serious consideration for him but who knows. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54 Hurt is a 2019 recruit. Can't take officials yet so time still hasn't come for his official visits. KU is still recruiting him. Good connections in the area. Staff wants him, JRE and Chandler but can they pull all three? Hard to say but I'd bet no. If I had to bet I'd say Chandler and JRE are Hawks, Hurt goes elsewhere. Hurt is the best player of the three though.

@BShark Ya I just can't imagine getting Hurt with us getting Chandler & Robinson - -just being hearing that we weren't as involved as of late. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54 Looks like KU will recruit him until he eliminates KU or commits.

jayballer54 said:

@BShark Ya I just can't imagine getting Hurt with us getting Chandler & Robinson - -just being hearing that we weren't as involved as of late. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

I think we stopped recruiting him

BShark said:

@jayballer54 Hurt is a 2019 recruit. Can't take officials yet so time still hasn't come for his official visits. KU is still recruiting him. Good connections in the area. Staff wants him, JRE and Chandler but can they pull all three? Hard to say but I'd bet no. If I had to bet I'd say Chandler and JRE are Hawks, Hurt goes elsewhere. Hurt is the best player of the three though.

I think Chandler and JRE are a much better fit then Hurt is in a KU uniform. Hurt compares to Sam Dekker without the defense. I'm surprised he's ranked as highly as he is but to his credit he's a matchup nightmare for defenders at the HS level to stop. In College he's going to face guys his size that can defend him and Hurt's major weakness at the moment besides weight/strength is his defense. If your not a good defender already at this stage your going to struggle at the next level. Hurt should focus on becoming a College 3 which is where I believe his long term success will come. If he lands at KU I fear this goes just like Carlton Bragg 2.0, trying to force a jump shooter to bang in the post.

@BeddieKU23 Fair point. Not sure he's a great fit for the college game then. Would be tough for him to defend college wings.

BShark said:

@BeddieKU23 Fair point. Not sure he's a great fit for the college game then. Would be tough for him to defend college wings.

I think he's a great fit in certain schemes/programs. The College Game is all about offense these days anyway so maybe I'm just overthinking it. I would love to have his ability to score at KU. Long term-
I see Kyle Wiltjer in him who was a highly touted HS kid and became a prolific scorer through his College Career.

We have a big wave of scorers leaving the program in the next year so its going to be important that KU lands difference makers in 2019 as well. Hurt is certainly a difference maker in a good class that KU has done a ton of early leg work.

@BeddieKU23 I think he could be a great College 4. From what I've read, Hurt scores the ball efficiently inside and rebounds well. He also brings a 35% shot from trey to the table to top it off.

TBH, doesn't a guy who is a stretch 4 with near wing-like athleticism fit exactly what college bball/Bill Self is moving towards? As long as he can slide his feet and they don't look like they are tied to Cinder Blocks like Carlton's were, I think he will be a very good player. CB had the lateral quickness of a crocodile and the leg strength of a newborn baby which led to an inability to get open. You have to have at least one of those things (strength or quickness) to be able to score at the college level and he had neither. So, providing Hurt has the ability to move his feet, I think he can probably be a guy who scores at 3 levels.

@Kcmatt7

He's a versatile player who's greatest value and the reason he's ranked highly is because right now there are few that can guard him at his size and skill right now. His jump shot is real nice and can shoot over the top of almost anyone. He won't wow you athletically or for his ability to defend the post (which is why I think he's a version of Sam Dekker and Kyle Wiltjer at the same stage). Very polished skill wise offensively, has that new age inside/out game that is coveted. Needs a good S&D program badly (good thing we know of one)

@BeddieKU23

Kyle Wiltjer numbers got much better once he got to Gonzaga; much better set up for his skills than Kentucky

JayHawkFanToo said:

@BeddieKU23

Kyle Wiltjer numbers got much better once he got to Gonzaga; much better set up for his skills than Kentucky

Very true, he realized after that NC year he was going to have to go somewhere else to have the role he wanted and Gonzaga definitely gave him that opportunity.

Hurt has a very similar game to the guys I mentioned and he badly needs a good S&D program to put weight on his frame. There's no way he shouldn't be playing at 215-220 at least at 6'9. Ranked in the Top 10 right now, I think he'll be around in College a lot longer then his ranking suggest. Seems to be only intersted in the big elite schools (besides the home school Minnesota)

Well looks as if Williamson has cut UCLA, - -now Duke - -Kentucky - -KU - - Clemson - -& South Carolina. - -I still just don't think he lands here -Oh and North Carolina - -I don't think that's happening - -think it's a 3 t4eam race - -Kentucky - -Duke & KU - -I still just think he is Kentucky bound - BUT you never know. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Kentucky or KU. I'd lean towards Kentucky. He isn't going to Duke to share the spotlight with Barrett.

!0_1508801123981_Scholarships 10.23.JPG ↗

Still plenty of work to do. Looking out at the future, we really need to land a SG/SF for next season no matter what.

On top of that, we need to either land a transfer guard or a 4 year guard project with one of our remaining scholarships.

We could also really use a project 4 year big man to round out this class. I think we will probably be too deep at the 4/5 positions to land a top end transfer, but I'd also take that if one were willing and available.

I really like the transfer movement we have used lately. Mainly because you are landing a guy who's only option is to bust his ass here because he can't transfer again until he graduates. To me, that is very appealing. I hope Bill continues this trend as I think a Transfer at the end of your bench is probably going to be a better player in the future than a 100+ ranked guy that you aren't in love with and are just offering because you need a body. So, I'd love for Self to keep a lookout for a sharp shooter transfer at SG/SF this season/offseason as well as another Big Man ranked around 60-75 with some upside.

None of this includes Langford or Zion yet, but I will update it when I feel it is necessary and get good vibes that we will land them or another recruit.

@Kcmatt7 Better put Grimes as PG, that's what he is being recruited as. I'd also say Garrett is flexible, can easily play 2g if needed. Grimes makes it all work next year.

I think Grimes and two developmental additions is the most likely scenario.

@BShark No arguments. I guess this is more about who these players will be guarding/starting. Grimes may or may not play on the ball. But he will be guarding the 2 guard unless we see a lineup with him at PG, Garret at SG and Langford/Zion/Vick at the 3.

Self did make some comments during the Late Night broadcast mentioning that he actually thinks he will play Moore off the ball quite a bit. Perhaps he could put Grimes at PG when Dotson is out and have Moore out there as a very good secondary ball handler.

Anywho, I really just like the way the staff has recruited this season so far. Made some guys priorities and landed them. And, it looks like they feel good about Grimes and either Langford or Zion since we haven't really heard a new name pop up besides Herro. I think they are pretty happy with how things have shaken out after landing the 3 guys we have landed and at this point just want to finish out the class. Makes more sense to prioritize the 3 or 4 guys who are left and then see what is left out there once those pieces fall off the board.

At this point, no recruiting news seems like good recruiting news for us.

Kcmatt7 said:

@BShark No arguments. I guess this is more about who these players will be guarding/starting. Grimes may or may not play on the ball. But he will be guarding the 2 guard unless we see a lineup with him at PG, Garret at SG and Langford/Zion/Vick at the 3.

Self did make some comments during the Late Night broadcast mentioning that he actually thinks he will play Moore off the ball quite a bit. Perhaps he could put Grimes at PG when Dotson is out and have Moore out there as a very good secondary ball handler.

Anywho, I really just like the way the staff has recruited this season so far. Made some guys priorities and landed them. And, it looks like they feel good about Grimes and either Langford or Zion since we haven't really heard a new name pop up besides Herro. I think they are pretty happy with how things have shaken out after landing the 3 guys we have landed and at this point just want to finish out the class. Makes more sense to prioritize the 3 or 4 guys who are left and then see what is left out there once those pieces fall off the board.

At this point, no recruiting news seems like good recruiting news for us.

I think Dotson and Grimes will be like Frank and DTae, with Dotson being in the Frank role. Of course, Grimes is big for a guard, he has Selden type size.

I think you put Grimes on the opposing PG/primary handler, if you can place Dotson elsewhere safely.

Grimes will be announcing very soon. Before KU's first actual game of the season probably.

@BShark I'd like to put a 6'5 guard on the ball defensively... I wonder what his wingspan is

Kcmatt7 said:

@BShark I'd like to put a 6'5 guard on the ball defensively... I wonder what his wingspan is

I think around 6’7. Not long for a guy his size.

@Kcmatt7

KU’s class is currently ranked #2 according to Rivals with a fair amount of recruiting yet to go. When it is all said and done, even if KU does not get anyone else, it will likely still be top 5. I would like to see a more inclusive class ranking that includes all incoming players including transfers; KU would have 1 additional 5-star in Dedrick and 2 4-star in Lawson and Moore and would probably be ranked #1.

A lot less hand wringing than last year, no question about it.

Grimes, now 17 years old, measured 6-3 barefoot with a 204-pound frame and a 6-7 wingspan in Colorado Springs. His most recent measurement at Nike Camp. So 6'4ish with shoes with 6'7 wingspan.

Love the recruiting so far. We might land 4 guys before the November Signing period. That's more then we've landed combined in years it seems. Very pleased what they have accomplished so far in this class

Well interesting. - -Read where Zion is going to take his official to N Carolina now this weekend now instead of UCLA seeing as how he eliminated them, - -4th time been there in last 2 yrs I think the article said. - -May be more of a player then what I thought. - -Still think he lands at Kentucky though. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Can't imagine North Carolina is a serious option for him with Little signed for them. Unless they convince him to play the 4 which they definitely could use an upgrade at

BeddieKU23 said:

Can't imagine North Carolina is a serious option for him with Little signed for them. Unless they convince him to play the 4 which they definitely could use an upgrade at

I wouldn't of thought much about it either other then the fact of location. - -with him even considering S Carolina - -Clemson possibly consideration for staying back in that area , would be the only thing I would think of. - -Again I still just think he has a Kentucky feel to him in the end. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Well guess I was way off base or something. I sure thought we were out of the race or had back off Matthew Hurt. Read that the entire staff paid Hurt a visit Monday after seeing Grimes a well.

I just feel with all we will have in 2019 just not sure where Hurt fits in. I think it would come down to either we get Hurt - OR Robinson Earl. - -Which one would you rather have? - - I'll take Earl thanks , maybe not quite the scorer as Hurt but I think better defender - -better rebounder - -better defensive inside presence. -- -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

jayballer54 said:

Well guess I was way off base or something. I sure thought we were out of the race or had back off Matthew Hurt. Read that the entire staff paid Hurt a visit Monday after seeing Grimes a well.

I just feel with all we will have in 2019 just not sure where Hurt fits in. I think it would come down to either we get Hurt - OR Robinson Earl. - -Which one would you rather have? - - I'll take Earl thanks , maybe not quite the scorer as Hurt but I think better defender - -better rebounder - -better defensive inside presence. -- -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Staff wants both.

BShark said:

jayballer54 said:

Well guess I was way off base or something. I sure thought we were out of the race or had back off Matthew Hurt. Read that the entire staff paid Hurt a visit Monday after seeing Grimes a well.

I just feel with all we will have in 2019 just not sure where Hurt fits in. I think it would come down to either we get Hurt - OR Robinson Earl. - -Which one would you rather have? - - I'll take Earl thanks , maybe not quite the scorer as Hurt but I think better defender - -better rebounder - -better defensive inside presence. -- -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Staff wants both.

With what other players we are likely to have , our front line is going to be loaded in 2019 will there be minutes for both if they commit. - - Your looking at probably still McCormack - - -De-Sousa - - - Lightfoot - -and one of the Lawsons if not two right? - - then you add Robinson Earl - -& Hurt? - - that's a lot. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54 Recruiting Hurt as a wing. JRE is a post guy. Chandler is kind of a hybrid. I do agree it would be tough to pull all three. Likely SDS and McCormack still on the roster. Don't think Dedric would still be around.

BShark said:

@jayballer54 Recruiting Hurt as a wing. JRE is a post guy. Chandler is kind of a hybrid. I do agree it would be tough to pull all three. Likely SDS and McCormack still on the roster. Don't think Dedric would still be around.

Ok I'm going to ask the dumb question now cause I honestly don't know which is which. - -We have 2 lawsons right now right? - we have Dedric of who you mention which I agree he is probably gone wasn't he the one that was like a double guy? - -Then don't we also have KJ is that right - -not sure if that is the right name or not 0 - -but wouldn't he still be here along with Chandler? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

jayballer54 said:

BShark said:

@jayballer54 Recruiting Hurt as a wing. JRE is a post guy. Chandler is kind of a hybrid. I do agree it would be tough to pull all three. Likely SDS and McCormack still on the roster. Don't think Dedric would still be around.

Ok I'm going to ask the dumb question now cause I honestly don't know which is which. - -We have 2 lawsons right now right? - we have Dedric of who you mention which I agree he is probably gone wasn't he the one that was like a double guy? - -Then don't we also have KJ is that right - -not sure if that is the right name or not 0 - -but wouldn't he still be here along with Chandler? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

KJ is the one you are okay with having because the others are sooooo good. He has a bit of that dog in him though, which will help him see the court.

I think he will graduate from KU. Don't see him going pro early.

I also think he will be okay with being a back-up if necessary.

Maybe I am totally wrong though, we will find out.

@BShark So then we will have KJ and Chandler right? - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

jayballer54 said:

@BShark So then we will have KJ and Chandler right? - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Extremely likely.

There is potential to have all 3, but I'm pretty confident Dedric is doing his two years and peacing out.

Kcmatt7 said:

There is potential to have all 3, but I'm pretty confident Dedric is doing his two years and peacing out.

This makes the most sense. Many were surprised he didn't just go pro.

@BShark We should be thanking the Basketball Gods that he could only post a 22" vertical at the combine lol.

I hope Doke comes back so bad. Those two together... Fuhgetaboutit. We are talking a top 5 defense with above average length and athleticism at 3-4 starting positions. 7 blocks per game. Rebounding would be at a level we may have never seen before under Self.

Dreams...

@Kcmatt7 Doke/Dedric/SDS/McCormack would possibly be the best ever front court under Self. What is the standard there? 2008? Or is it actually 2010.

Interesting comments from Self about Doke. I think 1st round guarantee will be hard for him to get but we'll see. His play on the court is obviously going to drive his stock one way or the other.

Unless he's awful, he's gone. Protect the merchandise.

Damn, just saw where Meyer is picking Langford to go to Indiana, that sucks. - They got pretty huge lead now like 71% - -to 14% - -We might miss both - -Williamson AND Langford both. - -was hoping we could of landed one of the two. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Long way to go for Langford. He’s visiting this weekend, and like we saw with Dave and Silvio, it can change everything.

FarmerJayhawk said:

Long way to go for Langford. He’s visiting this weekend, and like we saw with Dave and Silvio, it can change everything.

Ya - -seems like the distance is getting wider by the minute. - -IT IS a good thing I think that we got the last visit - -time will tell, we really need to hit him hard this weekend - don't leave anything, let it loose and let it fly. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Looks like Indiana put themselves in the drivers seat for Langford especially from what his coach said. Interesting, Indiana is close to home for him.

Logistically I'm still trying to figure out how they will do it. They have 5 kids committed right now which fills up all their scholarships. They have signed 2 Top 100 wings and will have 7 scholarship perimeter players on the roster next season. Crowded situation. Maybe they are selling him on the SG position, they could use an upgrade at that position after losing guys.

The one thing KU has going for them is they have recruited him for a while now. Indiana's staff might be impressing him now buts it new and they haven't been after him as long as KU has. We'll see if that plays any factor.

Slater saying it will be a business decision is also a telling advantage to KU.

@BeddieKU23 Well just strictly from the CB standpoint - -looking like they have a really good chance of landing Langford AND Darius Garland both - -lot of movement for Garland recent which I find interesting too. - -Again I think it could be big that w got the last visit , although he is close in Indiana so he could always visit there AGAIN no problem.

I just feel we need to really get after him this weekend put the hammer down and try and close this. - -Maybe not getting the verbal this weekend obviously but you know what I'm saying - -close it up - -leave nothing undone. - -Will be interesting to see what kind of CB movement there is if any after the visit this weekend seeing as how this is his last visit. - If it continues to show Indiana after with no signs about us - could smell trouble we shall see. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@BeddieKU23

Archie Miller is perhaps the best coach of the younger group and Indiana still carries a huge clout in the upper Mid West. The idea of being part of the group that brings one of the more storied programs back to its glory days can be very attractive to players. Indiana used to be true basketball royalties until it fell on hard times but looks like it is getting ready to move up again. Stevens and Miller are the two coaches I would have liked to be considered to follow Coach Self but it seems unlikely now, particularly if Miller does well at Indiana.

Langford will be a Spring commit I think.

I do think we will find out a lot on Nov. 10 when Barrett decides. He will be the first domino in what I think will be quite a series. Barrett could basically eliminate Duke or UK from Zion contention. Making Zion decide soon after. Zion's decision could change Langford's if he picks KU. Which will surely change some decisions for some lower ranked guys once the blue bloods show some interest because they didn't land the Zion sweepstakes.

Just gimme Grimes and two scrubs or bank the schollies. 11 eligible players is enough.

BShark said:

Just gimme Grimes and two scrubs or bank the schollies. 11 eligible players is enough.
I think we are in pretty good shape there as far as Grimes. - - Even if we don't get any one else period - -that 4 man class is a pretty damn good class. - - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Grimes, hopeful Vick return and see what happens with the fbi investigation, maybe some nice transfers.

BShark said:

Just gimme Grimes and two scrubs or bank the schollies. 11 eligible players is enough.

I’m still greedy. Langford is gettable after he visits this weekend. IU just blew him away last weekend apparently. I want one more 5*, then I’ll be happy with the class and we can focus on either transfers after mid-season or developmental guys.

Well just read. I see that the 1st CB came in after Grimes final visit that he took to Marquette this past weekend. - -The 1st CB came in and it was - - - - -drum roll please - - -the CB was for KU - -surprise.

Seriously I feel pretty good , like I said earlier with these guys , now that their visits are over -sit back and watch for movement and see which way it's pointed. Keeping fingers crossed - -but feel we are at like maybe at a 85-15 all in for Grimes hope so - -feel so. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54 Look again

Yeah it's a foggy pick.

Also will reiterate based on a recent post: KU def still recruiting Matt Hurt and Hurt is very interested in KU.

3genhawk said:

@jayballer54 Look again

Well that was really really really quick. - -I wonder if he is that fast in everything he does? -I mean I know there are certain individuals that call me speedy Gonzalez & Quicks Draw - -but I mean DAMN -- not only that but DAMN.

I Posted 38 minutes ago and during the 9 minutes in between my post and your post he changes his mind? - - - WOW - -I bet this guy can really entertain a lot of ummm - - ummm - -well never mind you know where I'm headed so I don't have to say it. - -Obviously he can get ALOT done in 9 minutes. - -It's Ok I'm still not trippin on Grimes - -I think he lands here. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Well I think we will start to see some kind of movement scuttlebutt on Grimes around the middle of next week. either be CB movement in one way or another - -articles leaking out, as he is saying they want to try for sure and be able to commit in the Early signing which starts on the 8th of November - -so I think something gonna give before to much longer. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

It looks like it's going to be between Kansas and Kentucky by the way it looks on his crystal ball

KU until I hear differently. He’ll commit and sign mid-November.

blackmild33 said:

It looks like it's going to be between Kansas and Kentucky by the way it looks on his crystal ball

lol you mean the crystal ball that has zero picks for kentucky

@BeddieKU23 yes

FarmerJayhawk said:

KU until I hear differently. He’ll commit and sign mid-November.

That’d be a good b-day present for moi!

Langford will cut his list to 3 soon. We'll see if KU is on it. Would expect they are.

If he signs early I expect it would be Indiana. If he signs late KU has a great chance to keep in his ear as the season plays out

2019 target Joey Baker off the board to Duke. I know we kicked the tires on him. Don't have to worry now. Could help with the pursuit of Matthew Hurt though

Yeah, KU was never really in it. Nor should we have been. Would 100% rather have Chandler/Hurt.

Read what I call the typical reaction from a recruit or family after a official visit. - Romeo's dad said that the visit went " Very Well " - -that they liked the facilities & Campus.

Also said it is looking a little more like he might tend to be leaning to signing in the early period according to Eric Bossi. - -Bossi said a few weeks ago he would of given KU a slight edge for Langford BUT since his visit to Indiana looks like they really helped themselves out a lot. - That the edge might have swung back over to Indiana. - He believes it will still come down to Ku & Indiana

At this point guys for me - - - -Give me Grimes and call it good, I'll be completely satisified. - - We get him and then maybe some other maybe lesser know lower 3-4 year solid player what would be wrong with that class? - -NOTHING. - -unless on the very unlikely remote chance Zion would commit that would be beyond - but highly doubtful- - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

If Langford signs early it's absolutely not KU.

found this king of interesting. - -While trolling my OTHER favorite board to get info. - -UK board had a thread titled. - -So who is next to commit: - Like 48 responses it said so far.

Had people listing Williamson - - a lot of Johnson - those were the big two - -some said Bol Bol, - - Herro - - - - kind of odd not ONE of them mentioned Grimes - - Not ONE. - - looks like their fans anyways are not very confident he is signing there at all.

Kind of odd seeing as I keep hearing from people oh look out for Kentucky - -umm NO Quentin Grimes will not commit to Kentucky -- again Quentin Grimes will not commit to Kentucky , take it to the bank - -lock the doors - -that ship is gone - -not happening. - -Another tale tale sign for me that he is not committing is Cal is going back to visit Herro -- -AGAIN, that's not going to happen if Grimes commits, cause they would be competing for the same spot - -as Quickley will be their main PG - -Grimes would be playing the 2 - -same as Herro.

I still feel really confident Quentin lands here - - I still say IF we have any worries it would be - - -Texas being from Texas - - knowing a lot of players off the squad and being really familer with the staff.

So without Kentucky it's KU - -Texas - -Marquette. KU BABY - - sayin just like Devon - - -book it - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

I see where Kentucky and Clemson are visiting Zion today. - - -KU & Duke visiting Zion tomorrow. - -Does anyone still think we have a chance with him? - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

jayballer54 said:

I see where Kentucky and Clemson are visiting Zion today. - - -KU & Duke visiting Zion tomorrow. - -Does anyone still think we have a chance with him? - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

No it seems unlikely. He's a classic Kentucky recruit.
Of course I would love to be wrong

@jayballer54 Absolutely have a chance depending on if he thinks Doke and/or Billy and/or Vick will come back. Zero if he thinks they all will. Kid wants to play, and wants to star. Is there room at UK? Still a chance for SC to get him. Martin has a fantastic ability to relate to these kids and their parents. Sources here say he is very much a homebody. Clemson closer to home, but nothing else to recommend it unless he is a huge football fan or has buddies going there.

KU still has a shot. But they won't get both he and Langford.

BeddieKU23 said:

jayballer54 said:

I see where Kentucky and Clemson are visiting Zion today. - - -KU & Duke visiting Zion tomorrow. - -Does anyone still think we have a chance with him? - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

No it seems unlikely. He's a classic Kentucky recruit.
Of course I would love to be wrong

Ya that's what I've been saying also - - I think he has Kentucky written all over him. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@mayjay Well at this point Kentucky has no other big's - -they think they have lost Bol Bol to Oregon and damn I can't think of the others but they are really hoping for Zion - -I think with Quickley pushing that's where he lands.

Did find it interesting that they as their fans was posting wondering why they were just sending Payne to see him today instead of Cal - some think that's a mistake. - -A lot of them are worried about Duke. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

FarmerJayhawk said:

KU still has a shot. But they won't get both he and Langford.

I'm beginning to wonder if we get either. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

At this point, I don’t think KU leads for either. But a senior Vick is probably preferable anyway.

Give me Quentin Grimes and anything else will just be icing on the cake.

FarmerJayhawk said:

At this point, I don’t think KU leads for either. But a senior Vick is probably preferable anyway.

SR Vick would be excellent.

You know guys kind of sad , going around to other sites. - - KU sites , seeing if I can find anything on recruiting talk - -tidbits - -and just sad - - -these guys on some other KU sites , they post thread on recruits name so you pull it up and lo and behold their not talking about the recruit - -All it is - - in one HUGE P - - - - - - contest - -one person ragging on another gets pretty pathetic - -hardly nothing if anything about the player, just people trying to get other people banned off the site. - -Yet you having to pay to get privy information - - I'm not paying squat to join a site and then just hear people bitch and moan and whine about another person - -Glad we have this. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

I can't force myself to look but looks like Moses Brown and Kentucky is becoming a thing. That Maryland board must be SALTY.

BeddieKU23 said:

I can't force myself to look but looks like Moses Brown and Kentucky is becoming a thing. That Maryland board must be SALTY.

They were take it or leave it with Brown tbh.

I'm howling though. UK writers said Cal might not take a big in this class. None were up to his standard. :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy:

The kid is dying for a true blue blood offer, if UK does offer, they will get him.

BShark said:

The kid is dying for a true blue blood offer, if UK does offer, they will get him.

Brown is a project but a big kid with some talent to work with. I'd honestly like to see him go anywhere but UK

jayballer54 said:

You know guys kind of sad , going around to other sites. - - KU sites , seeing if I can find anything on recruiting talk - -tidbits - -and just sad - - -these guys on some other KU sites , they post thread on recruits name so you pull it up and lo and behold their not talking about the recruit - -All it is - - in one HUGE P - - - - - - contest - -one person ragging on another gets pretty pathetic - -hardly nothing if anything about the player, just people trying to get other people banned off the site. - -Yet you having to pay to get privy information - - I'm not paying squat to join a site and then just hear people bitch and moan and whine about another person - -Glad we have this. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Exactly why I am here now....

BeddieKU23 said:

BShark said:

The kid is dying for a true blue blood offer, if UK does offer, they will get him.

Brown is a project but a big kid with some talent to work with. I'd honestly like to see him go anywhere but UK

Looks like UK might have ran out of other options. I don't think Cal wants to take Brown. He might not offer until Bol makes it official for Oregon. With Barrett looking Duke bound he probably regrets not going after Shittu.

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

BShark said:

The kid is dying for a true blue blood offer, if UK does offer, they will get him.

Brown is a project but a big kid with some talent to work with. I'd honestly like to see him go anywhere but UK

Looks like UK might have ran out of other options. I don't think Cal wants to take Brown. He might not offer until Bol makes it official for Oregon. With Barrett looking Duke bound he probably regrets not going after Shittu.

Yeah its looking like UK is trying to get anything they can at this point. Moses has played this recruitment out so who know whether his comments about UK will mean anything. Usually they do but we'll see,

Shittu, I'm surprised they didn't press further with him but I think this actually might have been a case of the player not seeing playing time available. UK has a bunch of bigs but the NBA isn't drooling about them so some kids are not seeing the guarantee's of them being gone after this year. I haven't heard much on his recruitment lately but doesn't it seem like Vandy was in the drivers seat for him?

Bol didn't announce of Oregon yet? Stopped paying attention to that one.

Barrett, ugh such a talent going to Duke. Reddish & Barrett jeesh. Only team on trail that's beaten KU in this cycle. Really impressed to say that Self has been money

@BeddieKU23 He hasn't even set an announcement date, but it's Oregon, obviously. With the way news leaked I would assume he is a silent commit already.

Vandy or UNC for Shittu.

Nike wasn't going to let Barrett get away. Duke's class is going to be completely absurd.

Calipari was holding out for Barrett. There’s some bad blood between RJ and Shittu for some reason.

BShark said:

The kid is dying for a true blue blood offer, if UK does offer, they will get him.

Not that impressed with him - -ya he is 7ft 2 but project - Everyone thinking since they lost out on Bol Bol - -even though not confirmed yet- but seems he is going to Oregon. - -Ya He wanted a UK offer hasn't been made yet but it's coming. - -Not knocking the kid but still gonna take time for him. - -
On another note. - - Is it just me or what? - -Probably is but am I overlooking things with Bol Bol? - -I mean even when he was still here in Kansas seeing his highlite - seemed kind of soft. - -just seemed he wanted to play outside more then in. - -Not sure if he can really bang with the Big Solid bodies inside - -he seems to kind of for a lack of better words loaf/slack - - uninspired sometimes maybe just me.

I know ya he looks good against High School kids because he gets away with a lot because of his height - -not really sure about his explosion - -sorry I am just not seeing a # 3 - -# 4 ranked player in the clas. - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

FarmerJayhawk said:

Calipari was holding out for Barrett. There’s some bad blood between RJ and Shittu for some reason.

Stems from AAU and Canadian play that Andrew Slater elaborated on over the summer. Apparently it's not just that RJ and Shittu don't get along but its the father's as well. Funny when the parents have beef with each other

@BeddieKU23 It would just break my heart, and funny as all get out if UK ended up offering Moses & then even though he said he wanted UK offer - -if they offered and then Moses ended up going to Maryland or UCLA after all and Kentucky lose out on him also - -Lose Bol Bol - -Brown & Shittu - - -THAT would truly be a Kodak moment for me - - -Priceless - - I could hear the UK fans now. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54

Careful, we don't need that kind of karma coming back on us. It would be funny but we know how recruiting goes.

BeddieKU23 said:

@jayballer54

Careful, we don't need that kind of karma coming back on us. It would be funny but we know how recruiting goes.

Agree. It works in cycles. UK also had a "down class" in terms of missing out on top targets in 2015. On paper the class still looked fine, they just had a lot of misses. At the end of the day Cal is going to fill the roster and of course then Cal fell ass backwards into Jamal Murray in that class.

UK fans didn't want to believe Slater when he said UK wasn't well positioned in this class. Of course Slater also said he fully expect UK to kill it in 2019.

Sounds like Josh Green is a high priority in 19.

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article182967906.html ↗

BShark said:

Sounds like Josh Green is a high priority in 19.

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article182967906.html ↗

Looks like a good priority! We'll see how this one progresses

He’s a teammate of Silvio’s at IMG. Can’t hurt.

FarmerJayhawk said:

He’s a teammate of Silvio’s at IMG. Can’t hurt.

Plus IMG seems to be KU friendly. Definitely a positive.

BeddieKU23 said:

BShark said:

Sounds like Josh Green is a high priority in 19.

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article182967906.html ↗

Looks like a good priority! We'll see how this one progresses

He's really really good. Will KU have room for him and Harvey though?

@BShark

I'd take Green over Harvey. You always want to lock up local talent that loves your program so I do hope Harvey is a hawk no matter what happens.

From what I've seen of Harvey he's not as important as Robinson-Earl is in 19. Especially at the position Harvey plays we often land or get the running for the elite wings out there. Is Harvey even a priority?

@BeddieKU23 I think there is a chance he could end up at Creighton with Ballock. With the way recruiting is trending we will find out a lot more about who KU is going after in 2019 soon. We certainly appear to be in deeper with Matt Hurt than many were thinking.

Man this Quentin Grimes recruitment been crazy , I mean ya sure, there has been SOME talk the Grimes has already quietly committed , some people saying he committed on his visit - -some saying he committed of Coach's last in home visit -all kinds of this and that going around ya know?

But from my take this has been one a the very few where the inner circle has been kept tight as a drum - - -NOTHING that I can see or have been able to read about. I mean usually after all the in-home visits - - all the official visits after like 3-4 days a person might see/hear SOMETHING - -some kind of leak no matter how tiny but with this - - nothing.

I've seen some things people saying they are hearing something going down around the 13th possibly - -but just nothing solid. - -I still think when it's all said and done he is here, but again most the time you'll start to see SOME kind of CB movement - -some analyst making a prediction - -but there has been none. So in a way I guess - -that's good - -real good - cause the current CB still has us by a huge margin nothing has changed there. - -

Just usually there is some activity - -like ya know even the recruit making an announcement about when he is going to announce lmao. - -I'll just feel a lot better when he has actually committed publicly to KU - -preferably in the fall signing period - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54 Don't sweat it, Grimes is a Jayhawk.

@jayballer54

Cool the jets he's a hawk. He might do the ESPN thing, we'll see.

I'm sure its all in the works behind the scenes. Sit back have a coolada and we'll wake you up when he announces it official my fellow friend

Looks like - - Iowa State high light the Big 12 opening regular season game opponents Friday.

Iowa State plays Missouri - -& West Virginia plays Texas A&M in the Armed Forces Classic. - -Nothing huge but considering the other opponents for the rest of the Big 12 schools these are the two best probably.

Also FWIW - nothing huge but the score was a little more then what at least I thought it might be - - Texas Tech beat New Mexico State by 30. - -84- True New Mexico is by far no power - -but still that's quite a beating no mater - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@BeddieKU23 Hey thanks - --now there sounds like a plan lol - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

BeddieKU23 said:

@jayballer54

Cool the jets he's a hawk. He might do the ESPN thing, we'll see.

I'm sure its all in the works behind the scenes. Sit back have a coolada and we'll wake you up when he announces it official my fellow friend

Too many people that would know feel great about Grimes. Or in the case of one guy he has been downplaying Grimes because he knows he will be a Hawk and he likes to view the worst case scenario for KU recruits.

Have read from multiple people that he wants to do it on ESPN. I would guess right now that's how it happens.

That's great if he wants to publicly announce his (already silent) commitment on ESPN. Just gives KU that much more exposure and lets other future 5-star recruits see highly talented players proudly choosing Kansas.

@BShark So you thinking he will commit in the early period for us? - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@IndyHawk Very much agree, it's good for the brand. We may not like him but Cal is a master at this stuff.

jayballer54 said:

@BShark So you thinking he will commit in the early period for us? - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

He's already committed to KU it just isn't public. It should happen in the early period and he should sign.

Ok have another question , full of them today lol. - So rolling to the future a tad, - -We know Devon is ours 100% -- We know Charlie Moore is going to be here & sure looks like and sounds for sure Quentin is coming. I has been mentioned by people , even people here too as far as that goes - thinking Dotson is a 3-4 yr player - -Grimes at least a Couple of year player -Moore is going to be a 3 year player, so my question is - - Does ANYONE think even in the slightest most crazy insane way that with these guys being here that possibly - -possibly Markese Jacobs re-considers and decides to play somewhere else in 2019? - -just curious sincerely don't know. - -Plus on top of that - -there has been some talk recently about this Green kid? - -and then you have the possibility of Harvey? - -pretty crowded wouldn't it be - -again just curious -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

No.

Grimes is a max 2 year guy. Dotson won’t be here for 4 years either. Jacobs won’t be a big contributor until year 2-3 anyway. No worries there.

Markese's love for KU can not be measured plus Grimes is looking more like a OAD every day.

BShark said:

Markese's love for KU can not be measured plus Grimes is looking more like a OAD every day.

True on Grimes but the way it is looking I think Quentin is going to be playing more at the 2 then the Pg anyways so he wouldn't effect Jacobs decision as much as per say Harvey - - is this Green a pg? - -Moore still here. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

FarmerJayhawk said:

Grimes is a max 2 year guy. Dotson won’t be here for 4 years either. Jacobs won’t be a big contributor until year 2-3 anyway. No worries there.

The more I see of Grimes the more I think he works his way into being OAD.

Agree about Jacobs he isn't a guy that is going to start year one. He can develop while SO Dotson and RS JR Moore run the show. Great situation. Also all three of them being from Chicago is pretty cool. Looks like it's going to be a knock down drag out fight for Adam Miller between KU and ILL.

jayballer54 said:

BShark said:

Markese's love for KU can not be measured plus Grimes is looking more like a OAD every day.

True on Grimes but the way it is looking I think Quentin is going to be playing more at the 2 then the Pg anyways so he wouldn't effect Jacobs decision as much as per say Harvey - - is this Green a pg? - -Moore still here. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Green is more of a 2G/wing. Immensely talented, KU would be lucky to land him.

I see Grimes as a OAD. But that will largely depend on his season and how big his role is. If he struggles and has an up and down freshman year then that's where the 2nd year becomes a benefit to him. Plus the NBA is going to want to see which position he's going to settle into. Is he a big PG or will he be a smaller 2 guard like Gary Harris (which he's been compared too). The NBA has been pretty salty on combo guards lately. Too early to tell but if your already on Mock Drafts in the Top 10, chances are your already being scouted and coveted.

Ok. - -guess this question will never be settled 100% for sure until he actually announces and or signs that LOI. So Gonna toss this out again - -Is there anybody here that think we stand a whiff of a chance at all of possibly getting Zion convinced to come play here at KU?

I know most including myself feel like there isn't hardly no chance at all he comes BUT - - - the ONLY reason I might think there is a tiny chance would be that he hit it off so well with Devon on the circuit saying he would like to play with him - -BUT he also is a very good friend of Quickley & then Little is trying to get him there also - -BUT pretty hush hush and even the analysts say they are just not sure & his last CB just came out and again it showed Foggy. - -Anybody think we have any kind of shot? - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54 I still think there is a chance he picks KU. There is the Adidas connection and the Dotson connection in our favor. KU may not be the favorite at this time but there is still a lot of time between now and spring signing period which is when most expect he will decide. For instance, say KU beats Kentucky down next week, perhaps that levels the competition again, who knows. Time is on KU's side to make up ground, assuming they trail right now. He and Langford are probably going to play the wait and see game to see how Vick's season goes and if he is leaning towards leaving or staying.

@RockkChalkk I'm Thinking the chances that Vick leave at fairly good, I think as the season progresses he is just going to keep improving - -at the very least he will test the waters, and My gut just tells me he is gone.

Now on the other hand - -not that long ago I felt 100 % Doke was gone at the end of the year - -now I'm getting a little more of hesitation - not so sure - -he has ALOT of work to do , he needs development - that's not trying to put a knock against him but just saying - -still very raw Plus Doke may be more of a dying breed in the NBA - - a true BIG - as we use to see anyways - -now the NBA is trending more towards smaller quicker - more fluid - faster paced and unless Doke can develop some kind of shot - -fairly consistent other then a dunk could spell trouble just not sure. - -Could you imagine if he came back with what we have already plus coming in next year - - -Holy Cow. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Color me crazy, but if I had to pick between a senior Vick and a freshman Zion, I'm picking senior Vick every time.

@jayballer54

I think for Zion to end up at KU we need some things to go our way.

The distance issue needs to be cleared up? Is it a problem? He's considering schools close to home and KU. If the Zion family wants to see him playing closer to home we are out no matter what is reported.

Our recruiting class should be attractive to him if he sees himself as a wing in College and in the NBA. We have a need for an elite wing and we signed his friend Dotson.

The biggest thing KU needs is probably help from other teams. We need Kentucky's current freshman class to have some guys returning. PJ Washington, Vanderbilt, Gabriel. These are guys that are not exactly being touted at Top 10 picks right now but are similar players to Zion and if they all leave he's got a ton of PT to himself.

Duke should become less attractive to him after they sign Barrett tomm. Too many mouths to feed with Reddish and RJ.

UNC I think is intriguing because they will play a style of play that would maximize his skills right now. Nobody runs transition like UNC and nobody can stop Zion in transition. They have a clear need for an upgrade at his position. I actually think they might have the best chance right now.

The local schools? Clemson seems over-matched here but we hear they have done a good job recruiting him. Martin has kept them in it at USC east as well. I imagine how their seasons go will have an impact on how he views them.

@BeddieKU23 Agree with all you said , the only thing is and answer to what you say - my feeling is - -that the distance thing is NOT an issue I don't believe - -if it was we would of never gotten to the final five or whatever in the 1st place.

I think he does have a sincere interest - the question being just to what extent? - -Is Dotson - -Adidas - -Coach Self enough to draw him? ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Sure, KU has a shot at Zion. As does Duke, UK, and Clemson. I think SC and UNC are window dressing. It mostly depends on how rosters shake out. UK will have to have guys leave on the margin (like Vanderbilt), and we'd have to have Vick and/or Udoka leave, depending on if the staff wants him at the 3 or 4. This one could drag on until April, or be over in December. It's totally up in the air right now.

@FarmerJayhawk

Clemson, South Carolina, Duke and UNC are all within 1-3 hours drive form his home so, if proximity to home is important, these 4 schools would have an advantage. Duke and UNC are blue blood programs and Clemson and South Carolina are the top basketball school in the state, again a big advantage if he wants to stay in-state.

I am inclined to think that Zion would start or get significant playing time anywhere he goes so playing time might not be as big of a deal.

@jayballer54

I do think the distance is a factor. He eliminated UCLA recently and went to visit UNC instead. There has to be some reservation in his camp either from him or his parents about leaving the south. Maybe its not a deciding factor but I do think its there. And if I was looking at this from the outside in, KU might only be on his list so that a flagship Adidas school is represented in his recruitment. The Adidas factor seemed to have legs until the FBI rolled in. Things have changed.

The Zion's don't talk so obviously most of what we are talking about is opinion and assumptions. I could be totally wrong. If we go by rosters its hard to see him picking a school before spring with all the Elite schools not having a ton of clarity on their rosters. He could be the type to drag this out well into May. I think that's a good possibility actually. He's a rockstar so he's got to keep this going.

@BeddieKU23

On the other hand, rosters might be full and scholarships not available. Having said that, I will guess that programs would find a way to get him a schoolie.

@JayHawkFanToo

Yeah if he decides on a school he'll have a spot anywhere he goes. We haven't seen a ton of transparency in this recruitment so its hard to assume what they are looking for the most. KU certainly positioned itself well by getting his friend Dotson and signing bigs in the class he can play around. We got him in for Late Night and have kept communication with him. So from a recruiting prospective KU has done its due diligence here and with a player like him its all about what he wants and where he wants to be for a year.

Langford to sign in the spring. That's a plus for KU.

Keldon Johnson signing this Saturday. Have to think Kentucky won this one.

Shittu canceled his trip to UNC. Sounds like Vandy might have won this one.

Arizona commit Brandon Williams won't sign this fall. Not a good sign and can't say I blame him without knowing the fall out from Arizona

BeddieKU23 said:

Shittu canceled his trip to UNC. Sounds like Vandy might have won this one.

Arizona commit Brandon Williams won't sign this fall. Not a good sign and can't say I blame him without knowing the fall out from Arizona

Shaqtus JR isn't signing either. My guess is neither ends up there. Arizona fans should enjoy this season because it's about to get rough.

BeddieKU23 said:

Langford to sign in the spring. That's a plus for KU.

Excellent. Is his top 3 out yet?

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

Langford to sign in the spring. That's a plus for KU.

Excellent. Is his top 3 out yet?

This weekend I believe was what I saw?

Just for giggles I did visit Maryland's board and boy crazy Jeff leading them down a pit to Misery again.

@BeddieKU23 Yeah that is what was reported but I was wondering if it leaked today since the info came out about him waiting until spring.

BeddieKU23 said:

Just for giggles I did visit Maryland's board and boy crazy Jeff leading them down a pit to Misery again.

Dilly dilly.

@BShark

Very true. We all figured Langford was waiting anyway so any Top 3 wouldn't mean much with so much time left for things to change.

@BeddieKU23 Well Like I said a lot of what your saying is spot on and actually I STILL feel he lands at Kentucky. I just think he has Kentucky written all over him, I was just tossin it out to see what others felt. - - to be bluntly honest , it would knock me right out of my shorts if he landed here. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54

Yeah Kentucky definitely makes the most sense for him. The way Cal runs one and done's in and out and he just fits every box of the type of player that goes there. Quickley being there helps them just as much as KU having Dotson.

It will be interesting to see how the Kentucky freshman do and how many stay or leave after the season as that has to be a major decision point for him in his family. Knowing Cal, if he has a chance at getting Zion he'll make them all leave regardless just to open up positions for Zion.

I have a feeling this recruitment goes well into May

BeddieKU23 said:

@jayballer54

Yeah Kentucky definitely makes the most sense for him. The way Cal runs one and done's in and out and he just fits every box of the type of player that goes there. Quickley being there helps them just as much as KU having Dotson.

It will be interesting to see how the Kentucky freshman do and how many stay or leave after the season as that has to be a major decision point for him in his family. Knowing Cal, if he has a chance at getting Zion he'll make them all leave regardless just to open up positions for Zion.

I have a feeling this recruitment goes well into May

Lol Cal forcing all to leave for Zion - -I like that. - -In all seriousness from reading their boards , this has been a discussion point as a lot of the fans seem to think thee might be quite a few coming back as they seem to believe they not as talented as in the past. This might if indeed true plays out, might be a sticking point for them if they indeed do have more coming back.

This could lead as some have talked to more of Zion ending up with OL Roy in NC - the way Roy plays and up and down which Zion excels at showcasing his more open floor talent - -but ya it looks like for sure this isn't close to being decided. - -Ha South Carolina fans didn't score to well as I guess at their scrimmage or exb I guess, as they started chanting " - -We want Zion " - and Zion wasn't even there lmao and this was someone else they thought was Zion - - lmao - -classic - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54

He'd force his mother, grandma, 3rd cousin whoever out to land Zion.

I threw UNC out there because of all the teams recruiting him they are the perfect blend of an elite program and has little standing in his way from a roster standpoint. UNC is a transition/rebounding team which just happens to be 2 of Zion's elite skills. Makes sense but I have absolutely no clue how serious he is about them

Isn't today the day that Devon and McCormack are suppose to be signing their LOI'S? - -get this over with - -Also sure wish we would get Grimes settled. - -Texas scaring the hell out of me - -I'm tellin alWAYS have said - -it was KU/Tex -- -not KU/UK for him. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

jayballer54 said:

Isn't today the day that Devon and McCormack are suppose to be signing their LOI'S? - -get this over with - -Also sure wish we would get Grimes settled. - -Texas scaring the hell out of me - -I'm tellin alWAYS have said - -it was KU/Tex -- -not KU/UK for him. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

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@BShark Is this Devon right? - - - -

@jayballer54 Yepp. McCormack will sign today as well.

@jayballer54 don't you know your own kid?😳

@Crimsonorblue22 he could be mistaken for McCormack, only a 7 inch 90 pound difference in them

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@jayballer54 don't you know your own kid?😳

Roflmfao - -gotta love it - - - -100000 comedians out of work and people here trying to be one lmao - - No I don't I have so many - -why don't you explain it to me lmao. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

3genhawk said:

@Crimsonorblue22 he could be mistaken for McCormack, only a 7 inch 90 pound difference in them

Are you SURE? - - -I mean afterall - like I was just so politely reminde - - -he IS MY KID roflmmfao -- rock chalk all day long baby

Just FWIW - -for those that aren't to quick to pick up on things - -yes I was being a smart ass when I was asking saying that is Devon Right? - -just to let you in -- I Knew that was Devon/ Please lmao. - -I dunno maybe people not pickin up on things cause it's Saturday - -or maybe the weather - -we gonna be ok. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

I must say that Devon's whole family looks great in Jayhawk attire!

Hawk8086 said:

I must say that Devon's whole family looks great in Jayhawk attire!

Kid is all about the history and the culture. :100:

@jayballer54 I was just kidding too!🤔

Jayballer gets a little too serious sometimes. I thought that post was downright hilarious @Crimsonorblue22

BShark said:

Jayballer gets a little too serious sometimes. I thought that post was downright hilarious @Crimsonorblue22

Nice post the only thing is you got it right except for one minor detail - -you need to reverse the statement of taking to serious - -It's hard to take a lot of things on here serious. -- I'm just a guy and for people that REALLY KNOW ME - -that when someone throws a jab or poke - that's cool - -just be ready to take the counter punch - -I can do this all day lmao. - -It's all good. - - it's just really funny to me that people who have read my post and realize how much I had followed Devon's recruitment - -would actually think I didn't realize who that was lmao. and EVEN you said - - YUP that be Devon lmao - -Really? thanks for enlighten lol. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Proud and thoughtful mama,

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Just so there is no confusion this is Dotson's mother

@3genhawk which would be @jayballer54 's wife? I'm serious!😱

@Crimsonorblue22 guess so, Devon's his boy

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@3genhawk which would be @jayballer54 's wife? I'm serious!😱

LOL, - - HEY has Jody been to YOUR HOUSE?

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NO seriously I'm done with the jabs - -you start bringing my wife into this any way shape por form joking or not I'm out stepping. out of line when you start getting personal with wives - -easty to get ugly taken the wrong way - -I'm out

@jayballer54 it's all on me! I was just kidding u about talking forever about him being your boy. Was only trying to be funny, don't know your wife and it has nothing to do w/her. Just kidding around. Guess I better not tease you anymore. I apologize!

Also McCormack signed his NLI in case anyone didn't see the pic!

We all part of the buckets family. Everyone reconcile and continue talking about that ku bball.

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@Crimsonorblue22 Not where my wife is involved sorry not at all personal things involved there with my wife and things happed in past very touchy gray area

@Crimsonorblue22 kidding or not

@jayballer54 said I'm sorry! No more from me!

One comp I saw for McCormack was "Landen Lucas on steroids". Meant as a compliment because he is so smart, and has much more athleticism and potential.

Devon’s sister/girlfriend is cute! Hope to see Devon on campus as soon as school is out. I love it when the guys show up early and gel with the team over the summer.

If I was a top recruit... ok laughter under control.. I would not sign with anyone till as late as possible and let the fbi investigation run its course. I MIGHT make a verbal commitment but I would do nothing that could possibly tie me to a coach/school that might be ready to go down in flames.

Call me paranoid but I don’t think that all the chips have fallen as of yet.

@Crimsonorblue22

FWIW, I thought your original response was hilarious and I imagine most of us took it that way and not as an insult.

@JayHawkFanToo Completely agree.

Congrats to Dave, silvio and Devon for signing. Another stud on the way this week. Self really hit it out the park. Still a chance with Romeo in the spring if the roster shakes out in his favor.

" T MINUS - - 9 HOURS AND 23 MINUTES " - -let s do this - -Rock Chalk Nation - -Bring it home Quentin & welcome. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Welp, Soooooooooo , now what - - -since the early recruiting period is over and we just torched the scene - -what now? - - - Awsome having secured these four in the early period. - Got to tell ya I'm just drained though from a couple I'm exhausted they coming or not, just feel about like I did when I was younger - -ALOT younger after a hot session of some romping hootie-hoot with my ex wife - -wait or was it my OTHER GF lol - anyways I'm drained emotionally.

Now just got to kick back watch our current boys , hope Billy gets his act together and Santa Claus brings us De-Sousa for the 2nd semester.

Going to start my serious Romeo Langford campaign now. - As I feel between the two between Romeo and Zion we have a better chance at Romeo - - just feel now that Zion might quite likely stay in state at Clemson. - -So I got to get busy make sure Romeo comes lol. So I am officially on let's go Romeo - - Come - -Come young man Jayhawk Nation awaits you campaign.

Actually even if we get neither our recruiting class has been awesome , if neither come hell who knows we might end up getting a little less know 3-4 yr quality type player yet, even then not sure where are biggest need now lays Front line or Back court? - I think it would have to be front line what you think? - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54 I think we can only get Romeo if Vick and Newman are gone. Either way KU is in a great spot next year with a stacked roster.

BShark said:

@jayballer54 I think we can only get Romeo if Vick and Newman are gone. Either way KU is in a great spot next year with a stacked roster.

Well I don't think there should be to much of a problem then if it comes to that.

I think I read somewhere that's a pretty well given , that it has been said Newman is gone after this year -whether ready or not. - I think this is gonna be another case where he either tests the waters, BUT I think he has already tested once & I think I heard you can only test NBA waters once without declaring - he wouldn't be able to return , so he then declares for the NBA and if it's a no go then he heads over sea's like so many others and plays a couple of years and then maybe tries NBA again.

As far as Vick - -I think he is gone , I just really don't have any doubt , If he has any kind of season at all - he is gone. So that shouldn't really be a problem with Romeo I don't think - but who knows for sure on these things - once again just my famous gut feeling lol. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

I trust the @jayballer54 gut feeling! You had it pegged with Texas being #2 for Grimes and it was close!

Vandy picking up steam with Romeo.

You can test the NBA draft waters as many times as you like under the new rules. But I think it's more likely than not we're done adding immediate impact guys. I'm actually happy about it, since it means (I'd say more likely than not) Vick and Udoka come back. I'd rather have Vick than anyone left on the recruiting board. And we've all seen what a monster Udoka can and will be.

So we've gotten to the point where I saw a Missouri fan say Kansas has "too much" talent next year and it won't work because rotations or something. What a time to be alive.

FarmerJayhawk said:

You can test the NBA draft waters as many times as you like under the new rules. But I think it's more likely than not we're done adding immediate impact guys. I'm actually happy about it, since it means (I'd say more likely than not) Vick and Udoka come back. I'd rather have Vick than anyone left on the recruiting board. And we've all seen what a monster Udoka can and will be.

If the starters are

Dotson

Grimes

Vick

Dedric

Doke

and the guys that regularly play off the bench are

Moore

Garrett

KJ

SDS

Just lock up the natty and throw away the key.

In that situation McCormack is your emergency big and Cunliffe and Mitch are essentially walk-ons taking a scholarship. That's incredible if it happens.

BShark said:

So we've gotten to the point where I saw a Missouri fan say Kansas has "too much" talent next year and it won't work because rotations or something. What a time to be alive.

Dam life is rough huh? -" too much talent" umm , umm, umm what to do lmao - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

BShark said:

So we've gotten to the point where I saw a Missouri fan say Kansas has "too much" talent next year and it won't work because rotations or something. What a time to be alive.
BUT - - BUT -- BUT - -they have Michael lmao. -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

First rule about sports is you can never have too much talent.

Also @jayballer54 some weird stuff happening with Michael Porter JR. He went from missing one game just to be safe to not traveling with the team pretty fast.

BShark said:

First rule about sports is you can never have too much talent.

Also @jayballer54 some weird stuff happening with Michael Porter JR. He went from missing one game just to be safe to not traveling with the team pretty fast.

WOW - -hadn't heard that about him not traveling with the team - -when did that take place? - what's going on? - maybe something worse with that hip? - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@BShark likely just protecting the goods, play or sit he's a top 5 pick.

Well @jayballer54 , @3genhawk just said it best. Protecting the goods.

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Only problem with this much talent is someone is not going to be getting in reps! Someone will transfer? I know Lightfoot has said never BUT we have all heard that before.

Statmachine said:

Only problem with this much talent is someone is not going to be getting in reps! Someone will transfer? I know Lightfoot has said never BUT we have all heard that before.

I think most of us are hoping he takes a red-shirt. He needs it if he's going to become a regular part of the rotation in the future.

@BShark

How fitting would it be to see him sit the year.

Statmachine said:

Only problem with this much talent is someone is not going to be getting in reps! Someone will transfer? I know Lightfoot has said never BUT we have all heard that before.

Mentioned this a day or so ago but yeah, we will see what Mitch does when he is actually staring down being the 6th post player.

BeddieKU23 said:

@BShark

How fitting would it be to see him sit the year.

I don't think this is super likely but it would be pretty hilarious. Especially given that crap he was spewing about maybe staying a second year.

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

@BShark

How fitting would it be to see him sit the year.

I don't think this is super likely but it would be pretty hilarious. Especially given that crap he was spewing about maybe staying a second year.

Hmmmm, curious , wonder if ol muck fizzou would be interested in scrimmaging us AGAIN NEXT YEAR roflmao. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article185140443.html ↗

Answer is a firm no.

BShark said:

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article185140443.html ↗

Answer is a firm no.

Yet the only names being talked about as additional pieces to the class are Zion and Romeo. Doesn't appear to be a backup plan.

@RockkChalkk Sounds like he wants to add a shooter, which makes sense. So if guys leave early and they don't land Romeo I'm sure they'd look around late. Just too early to know who they'd be going after whether it's a HS recruit or grad transfer.

@BShark I guess what I was implying is that I get the sense that the staff feels confident about Romeo otherwise I'd think there would be some other names out there.

@RockkChalkk

I am sure the coaching staff is following players we don't know and has a Plan B, C, D and E. No sense in tipping your hand and had other schools swoop in.

Is the Jacobs brother a shooter?

It's obvious Self is only interested in the big fish left. They will wait and see what happens. If they miss on both for some reason then you go after what becomes available in the spring from coaching changes etc.

Also we can't really offer anyone else right now. If everyone returned that wasn't graduating next season we'd be 1 over in scholarships. We know that's not happening which is why Self has 3 transfers and 4 HS players signed. The fallout will determine what we can get

@BeddieKU23

Coach Self has said several times KU will not add a players just to use up the scholarship left; it will add one if he can contribute.

JayHawkFanToo said:

@BeddieKU23

Coach Self has said several times KU will not add a players just to use up the scholarship left; it will add one if he can contribute.

De Sousa will be that player. His situation is perfect. He graduates HS in December so he can take the last spot currently open early.

@BeddieKU23

I believe we are all hoping for this since it would be the ideal situation.

BeddieKU23 said:

Is the Jacobs brother a shooter?

I don't believe so.

Bol Bol finally committed to Oregon.

Don't worry UK didn't want him.

@BeddieKU23 - Bol Bol is over 7’, but I wonder whether he will be able to hold his position against other bigs in college. Bol is only 220 and he’s been showcased against smaller players. He needs to gain weight to be able to work inside, don’t you think? Or does he have a decent perimeter shot?

@Gorilla72

I am not sure Bol Bol can gain any more weight. Like his dad, he as a very thin frame and bones and will never be able to grow that frame.

@Gorilla72 Should be able to make up for quite a bit with his wingspan defensively.

Offensively, he seems like a great mismatch. Can stroke it pretty well from the mid-range (and even the outside a little bit) and has nice touch around the basket. He may not be able to get great position inside, but he could be a nightmare in pick and roll/pop situations as well as on the offensive glass.

With that being said, he probably wouldn't have done well at KU schematically and I'm glad to not see him at Duke or UK.

BeddieKU23 said:

Bol Bol finally committed to Oregon.

Don't worry UK didn't want him.
lOL Ya right lol. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@Gorilla72 He has a decent shot BUT like you say he is going to be in some trouble I think he is over ranked some - I just don't se the # 3 ranked player, as you said it's one thing with that height to do it in High School - but matching up against really quality other Big' s or experience big's - Not sold. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Gorilla72 said:

@BeddieKU23 - Bol Bol is over 7’, but I wonder whether he will be able to hold his position against other bigs in college. Bol is only 220 and he’s been showcased against smaller players.

If he can play like his Dad, he will just reach around everybody, or over them, looking like Elasticman with flexible elbows. I loved watching Manute play!

@mayjay

Manute Bil was 7’-7” and had a NBA record wingspan of 8’-6”. Bol Bol is 7’-2” or taller, depending on the site, but his wingspan is 7’-8”. Advantage dad.

@JayHawkFanToo Yeah, I know but I hope he plays against a bunch of 6'6" centers so I can relive those memories.

@mayjay

Here is a memory for you, Manute is the only player ever in the NBA with more blocks than points.

Gorilla72 said:

@BeddieKU23 - Bol Bol is over 7’, but I wonder whether he will be able to hold his position against other bigs in college. Bol is only 220 and he’s been showcased against smaller players. He needs to gain weight to be able to work inside, don’t you think? Or does he have a decent perimeter shot?

As others have said below he's a giant and will need to continue to add strength to his frame. I'm not sure he ever wants to fill out weight wise because that will take away from his perimeter skills that he is so set on keeping. This is basically a guard in a 7'2 frame. Surprisingly he has a really good perimeter shot and its truly unique to see a 7 footer hitting shots outside with skill (Like a Joel Embiid).

I think if he can play at 240,245 that might be a target weight to keep him at going forward. He changes things so much defensively because of his ability to protect the rim. He does have some serious motor questions, maturity issues that have been well documented. I wouldn't be surprised if his eligibility is in question as well as the person he's lived with out West could come into question.

The one thing that will take time for him to adjust to is the speed of the game. In College it will be an adjustment but shouldn't be as big of a deal after a few games. In the NBA it will be something that I could see him struggling for a while at. He tends to be a split second slow on reactions and that can cost him. Bol has all the tools of a top 5 player but in my mind is the toughest player to rank, project because I do think his mind is ultimately going to be the most important thing for him to learn how to control. Altman will definitely push him in his one year which could help him tremendously.

A game changing recruit for Oregon potentially.

@mayjay Manute had a tape worm. A stiff wind would knock him over.

Nice profile about Bol Bol. Tidbit on shoe-based recruiting issues: He is a shoe fiend. The Phil Knight Room at Oregon won him over.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/11/21/sports/basketball/bol-bol-oregon-manute.html ↗

@JayHawkFanToo Weight isnt as big an issue as STRENGTH is. You can be thin and strong. Kevin Garnett is the prime example. 6'11 250 at most.

Simi Shittu to Vandy. Damn. Shittu is really good in my opinion.

Has to make Langford even more enticed to consider them..

Vandy will have to start "processing some players" as they are 1 over now on scholarships.

@BeddieKU23

Good school with very good academic reputation and no issues that I can remember. I would think it makes Vandy the leader for Langford now. I am sure they will find a way to reassign the scholarships so everyone is covered.

I see where Brian Bowen, the $100,000 Louisville commit, will not be allowed to play for Louisville. UL won't let him play or be part of the team, although he will get a scholarship if he wants to stay. He can study at UL or transfer because UL is giving him permission to do so. Ironically, Bowen found out through Twitter, according to his lawyer.

Interview I read where they talked to Romeo's Dad. He says they want to look at each School a little bit more, Want to watch the Coaching style a little bit , how they're doing with their team and go from their. Talked about the Three schools.

Indiana: - -He is homegrown and making history by staying at home and going to IU. We like their style of offense that Archie Miller has, they brought the one they had from Dayton , he brought that to Indiana, we like that, still want to see a bit more and also get to know the Coaching staff a little bit more too. ( I'm not sure who he was referring to when he says bringing the one he had from Dayton )

Vanderbilt:- - Coach Drew for one played NBA ball for five or six years and his style of offense, Romeo can see himself filling in that style of offense. But we like that program and the Coaching style also.

KU :- - We like Coach Self as a Coach and we also like the program We like the staff. He( Coach Self ) - has already mentioned that they were going to try and get those two guys - - Dotson & Grimes they finally got Grimes, he was talking about doing a three way offense for his guards, and having Romeo , Quentin , & Devon take the ball up the court, so we don't see any problems with that.

The one thing he says that kind of concerns me is , his dad says they want to try and take some visits, syas they want to try to get down there and watch Vandy play a home game if we can fit it into our schedule, and also go to IU and watch them.

What concerns me some is he says as far as Kansa we don't know how close they'll get to us so we don't know if we can make that trip. If your really interested seriously considering a school wouldn't you find some way to make that visit? - -Not to sure how this sits with KU ? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54 Did he already do his official visits? Where is he, anyway?

mayjay said:

@jayballer54 Did he already do his official visits? Where is he, anyway?

He is from New Albany Indiana - -he went off for 48 points his last Game. - -I think he took his official to KU - well actually I think he has done all his officials. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54 Maybe those were not for games. Sounds like he wants to watch coaches in action, under stress, how they adapt in the game, etc. I would think all potential players would want to see that.

mayjay said:

@jayballer54 Maybe those were not for games. Sounds like he wants to watch coaches in action, under stress, how they adapt in the game, etc. I would think all potential players would want to see that.

II can understand that he wants to watch how they coach under stress - -so - -why if you were considering a School seriously as in the final three like you say you would think they would for sure work at making that visit to KU. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

We’re not getting him if Vick comes back. The staff is recruiting him like Vick is gone, as they should, no matter what they think he’ll do.

FarmerJayhawk said:

We’re not getting him if Vick comes back. The staff is recruiting him like Vick is gone, as they should, no matter what they think he’ll do.

It's a good thing they are cause I'm telling you right now here 11-24-2017 at 8:01 a.m. - -VICK is not coming back. - -sell the farm , the cars, the kids , the dog. - If you truly believe Vick is coming back then share the pipe with me cause I could sure use a hit of what your smoking lmao. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54 Vick has been otherworldly through 4 games. I don't think he can keep up these numbers when the schedule gets tougher but damn.

BShark said:

@jayballer54 Vick has been otherworldly through 4 games. I don't think he can keep up these numbers when the schedule gets tougher but damn.

Agree , exactly - -thing is - -he won't have to stay at the level he is at right now, as you and I both know the NBA judges a lot off potential, and Vick is oozing with potential and pretty decent amount of talent and has length . - -We need to enjoy him in his third year, I think with what we have already recruited plus what we got coming back, I think staff already knows he is at the least 95% gone. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Matt Scott dropping bombs.

BShark said:

Matt Scott dropping bombs.

Whz Matt having to say

@jayballer54 It's behind the paywall so I gotta respect that. Suffice to say it supports other info out there about KU being well positioned with a remaining target. Very optimistic post regarding KU's last two top targets in general.

I still think we could return Vick, Doke, and Newman. Vick is not projected to be a 1st rounder as of today on www.nbadraft.net/2018mock_draft. I think the support network surrounding him will tell him to stay and try to improve his draft stock. If I were Coach Self I would remind Vicks inner circle that Selden was a top 25 recruit that went undrafted in 2016. IMO he will not hire an agent but will get an invite to the draft. Will he stay or will he go? Only time will tell.

Doke has no outside game to speak of and needs to stay and polish his outside game if he wants to stick in the NBA. Jahlil Okafor is a perfact example of what Doke might look like if he left early for the NBA except he would not have a guaranteed contract or 6 mil a year. Without being projected as a lotto pick his NBA future is sketchy at best unless he returns and polishes his game.

Newman? I cant remember a 3rd year sophomore (5th in scoring) that went pro/got drafted after averaging 10ppg and had sub .500 fg average and a .346 3pt average. Even if he got a combine invite I can not see anyone really giving him a guarantee. He has to come back to improve his stock.

@Statmachine

If only Graham and Svi leave as scheduled, won't KU be short 1 scholarship even if no one else signs up?

At this time, I don't believe Malik will make it to the NBA unless there is huge improvement; most likely he will end up overseas and he can probably do that instead of coming back, which would free up one more scholarship.

The big unknown at this time is Preston, does he stay or does he go? do you rather have Preston back for one year with one year already in the program (like McLemore) or do you rather have Langford or Zion instead?

@JayHawkFanToo Bird in the hand is better 75% of the time.

Preston's mom has made some statements lately about over seas being an option if he isn't cleared. I think his support group is similar to Alexanders group. Money over logic to be exact.

If I remember correctly, today was the first day of classes. I wonder if Billy is attending classes.

@JayHawkFanToo I’m sure he is. Otherwise he wouldn’t have traveled to Morgantown.

@Statmachine Doke:

!doke ↗

Okafor:
!okafor ↗

Sure, Okafor got his NBA payday leaving early, and I guess that's the entirety of your point (well taken), but I hope Doke has more success than Okafor. Even if he were to develop an outside shot it's hard talking about the two in the same conversation. Okafor is much more lumbering and weaker in the paint. I'd argue he has no inside game :) Not exactly sure what the sixers saw in him.

A potential 4 year burger boy. I'll take it!

Statmachine said:

I still think we could return Vick, Doke, and Newman. Vick is not projected to be a 1st rounder as of today on www.nbadraft.net/2018mock_draft. I think the support network surrounding him will tell him to stay and try to improve his draft stock. If I were Coach Self I would remind Vicks inner circle that Selden was a top 25 recruit that went undrafted in 2016. IMO he will not hire an agent but will get an invite to the draft. Will he stay or will he go? Only time will tell.

Doke has no outside game to speak of and needs to stay and polish his outside game if he wants to stick in the NBA. Jahlil Okafor is a perfact example of what Doke might look like if he left early for the NBA except he would not have a guaranteed contract or 6 mil a year. Without being projected as a lotto pick his NBA future is sketchy at best unless he returns and polishes his game.

Newman? I cant remember a 3rd year sophomore (5th in scoring) that went pro/got drafted after averaging 10ppg and had sub .500 fg average and a .346 3pt average. Even if he got a combine invite I can not see anyone really giving him a guarantee. He has to come back to improve his stock.

Is Newman going to come back to be a back-up? I think he goes pro somewhere, anywhere. Europe even.

Also it was time for Selden to go, for a lot of reasons. Also say what you will he is hanging around the league. I'd just tell Vick, if you want to come back we'd love to have you but if you want to go start making money that's fine too. Vick's mom is pretty great, I'll miss her too if he goes pro.

Okafor was a much more skilled offensive player than Doke even. I think Doke should stay but of course I'm looking at this from the angle of a greedy KU fan that wants a better team.

JayHawkFanToo said:

@Statmachine

If only Graham and Svi leave as scheduled, won't KU be short 1 scholarship even if no one else signs up?

At this time, I don't believe Malik will make it to the NBA unless there is huge improvement; most likely he will end up overseas and he can probably do that instead of coming back, which would free up one more scholarship.

The big unknown at this time is Preston, does he stay or does he go? do you rather have Preston back for one year with one year already in the program (like McLemore) or do you rather have Langford or Zion instead?

Technically no. KU had an open scholarship this year which Silvio has now filled. If JUST Graham and Svi go, they are replaced by Dotson and Grimes. So in fact KU is actually oversigned at the moment. McCormack is replacing Preston though, who yes, will be gone no matter what. Too much stuff just doesn't work if Preston is back plus like @Statmachine said his inner circle wants him in the league next year.

Zion isn't coming to KU. That will be official soon.

Langford would be to replace Vick. The staff is recruiting like there are guard/wing openings which you always have to prepare for the worst case but still, they certainly aren't even looking around at any post players at this point.

I love Selden but the point was that he was projected to go in the 2nd round (went undrafted) and has had to fight for a roster spot every year since leaving KU. Had he came back he COULD have avoided that?

Statmachine said:

I love Selden but the point was that he was projected to go in the 2nd round (went undrafted) and has had to fight for a roster spot every year since leaving KU. Had he came back he COULD have avoided that?

Him leaving was a big part of landing Josh. The minutes worked out a lot better for everyone with him gone. Plus he kept getting nagging injuries at KU, he needed to get some NBA money while he still has something left in his knees. Another year of playing in college and who knows what happens, maybe he gets drafted, maybe he ends up in Europe instead if he didn't improve enough. For every Buddy Hield and Draymond Green there are so many more guys that still don't get drafted or stick in the league at all.

I'd rather have Vick than not, same for Doke. Newman it's been real but he can just go. KU would be absolutely fine with a guard rotation of Dotson/Grimes/Moore/Vick/Garrett/Cunliffe. Honestly one of them wouldn't even play that is so many guards.

@BShark I haven't given up on Newman, not at all.Wish he would have been more consistent but blame injury issues, trying too much, great success this summer; all the above.

Rather have him take a while to find his mojo than have it early and lose it in late February or March.

@BShark I'm torn on the Vick vs. Newman argument. Had you asked me 6 games ago, not even close.

Since Conference play started, Newman has been the better player. Period end of story. Better defender, better scorer, just plain better. At the very least, you can say they have been even on the advanced metrics. Malik has been slightly better defensively, Vick has been more efficient offensively. Typical stats side with Malik.

So now, I am at a point where I really like Newman's upside better than I like Vick's. At least I think... I think Newman has the ability to get in the lane. If he can learn to finish, he can be a 3 level scorer. Something I don't think Vick is ever going to be capable of because he can't drive the ball now. Or he refuses to do so.

If Newman can bump his 3pt % up to 40% and his 2pt% up to 50% we are looking at an All-American level player to put next to Grimes and Dotson. And neither of those are that much of a stretch IMO. That allows us to have 2 volume scorers next to Dotson, and 3 guys who can get in the lane AND handle the ball. That is an attractive lineup IMO. And, I still think there is time for Newman to live up to his hype. To me, he isn't Selden. Wayne never looked fluid on the court. Newman has a silky smoothness to him. He has one of the ugliest shooting forms we have seen from a KU guard in a while, and yet, somehow it still looks smooth. Newman looks like he has the ability, he is just a few little tweaks away from being a stud. He is they type of guy that can transform into a completely new player in one offseason.

And, worse case, they both leave and we get Langford who I am super high on, and think might actually be the best option of the 3. But the bird in the hand argument is right 90% of the time...

With all of that being said, all 3 options are great options.

I also think Newman will fit better in the Hi-Lo than Vick will next season. He will be able to use that ball screen on the wing better than Vick can because he is able to dribble and drive the ball better.

Of course, I have been wrong many a times before.

Self recruited Vick out of high school. Then takes him as a transfer. Self wouldn't do that for just anybody.

Gunman said:

Self recruited Vick out of high school. Then takes him as a transfer. Self wouldn't do that for just anybody.

Vick wasn't a transfer. He was a late decommit from SMU when Brown got canned. Then Brown basically funneled him to KU. He committed to KU 2 weeks after decommiting.

@BShark

Aren't "short 1 scholarship" and "oversigned" the same thing? I believe we are talking about the same thing. Even if KU does not sign anyone else it would be short one scholarship unless someone else leaves in addition to Graham and Svi, right? The question is who?

Gunman said:

Self recruited Vick out of high school. Then takes him as a transfer. Self wouldn't do that for just anybody.

Did you mean Newman?

@BShark OOPS! We were talking about Newman and l typed in Vick. Can't multitask like l used to............

JayHawkFanToo said:

@BShark

Aren't "short 1 scholarship" and "oversigned" the same thing? I believe we are talking about the same thing. Even if KU does not sign anyone else it would be short one scholarship unless someone else leaves in addition to Graham and Svi, right? The question is who?

For some reason I read that as you thinking KU had an extra scholarship. Not sure how, whoops.

@Gunman Ah yeah that makes more sense.

@Kcmatt7 I can see your points about Newman. I haven't read or heard anything to make me think otherwise on him leaving no matter what though.

@JayHawkFanToo You said "Preston" but ... did you mean "DeSousa" ???

@BShark

If I recall correctly, his dad made it clear that next year Newman will be playing for money; of course he meant the NBA. When you have this frame of mind it is unlikely to change.

@JayHawkFanToo Exactly.

Red.Rooster said:

@JayHawkFanToo You said "Preston" but ... did you mean "DeSousa" ???

Which post?

I don't believe De Sousa would leave after this season; he will play at least one and possibly two more season at KU.

I am not sure if Preston is coming back after this season, regardless of whether he plays or not. Mama has already indicated that Billy could be making "millions" already so looks unlikely he would stay...but I could be wrong. :smile:

@JayHawkFanToo De Sousa actually said he will be here next season and then "take it from there". :grinning:

Newman and Billy both have an inner circle that wants to get them PAID asap. Which doesn't bode well for returning.

@BShark

Agreed. I am really curious on how good Preston would have been but I also am OK if he does not play at all; the drama has been too much of a distraction and with De Sousa the team is(barring injury) in decent shape personnel-wise.

@Kcmatt7 really appreciate your take. I've been infuriated with some of Newman's decision making, but we keep winning and he keeps playing and I know there is some correlation there. Willing to keep an open mind.

@JayHawkFanToo billy calls his mother, mom.

@BShark If you don't want to read everything, just read the last paragraph.

Their are a couple of things about Newman that bode well for him coming back though.

1. I do not think Newman will get a combine invite this year.
2. Newman does not have the option to transfer.

If he is so dead set on getting paid that he will go play in Europe next season, so be it. I just don't think his family is dumb enough to go that route yet. That is not the best route to the NBA and they should be smart enough to see that.

Sure, $100k sounds nice right now. But KU has state of the art facilities he gets to practice at every day. The competition he goes against every day in practice is preparing him for the NBA more than it would in Europe.

If he leaves to play in Europe after this season, that is his family giving up on him ever playing in the NBA. But people have done dumber things. Even if his future is in Europe, the year he has had this season is not one even European teams would be overly impressed with. He wouldn't be able to fetch the type of money he would be looking for.

But I digress. You are correct in your statement saying that the plan has always been for him to come to KU and play one year to improve his stock. I think part of his problem always has been the pressure to be an NBA pick now. And that pressure is hard enough to handle when it comes from the fans. But when the pressure comes from that inner circle, it makes it so much harder to live up to expectations. I'm hoping this season was a wake up call to his family. Too bad we won't find out for another 4 months.

@Kcmatt7

The more important question is...is Newman NBA material now? Will one additional year at at KU make him NBA material?

Based on what I have seen to date my answer would be no and no but I would love to be wrong on this one.

@JayHawkFanToo Could have said the same thing about Selden after his Sophomore season. Or even, Releford's European career has been much better because he had such a good Senior season. Tyshawn and T-Rob both transformed their games over one offseason. Withey is someone I never thought I'd see in an NBA uniform as well.

I think there is enough evidence that Self will get him where he wants to go. To me, the question is if there is trust coming from Newman's camp.

JayHawkFanToo said:

@Kcmatt7

The more important question is...is Newman NBA material now? Will one additional year at at KU make him NBA material?

Based on what I have seen to date my answer would be no and no but I would love to be wrong on this one.

To me, the only way Malik ever sniffs a NBA roster is as a PG. If he comes back (HUGE if), his best bet would be to ask Self to let him be more of a PG early in the year while Dotson gets his feet under him. He's got the size and athletic ability to be a NBA PG, but really needs to work on his playmaking ability.

At this point, it's much more likely both Malik and Billy leave than either stay. I think we end up with one scholarship open come spring. In which case, you may see this guy get an offer: https://247sports.com/Player/Ochai-Agbaji-46042163 ↗

I'd look for him to rise up the rankings this spring. Since summer, he's grown over an inch too to nearly 6'6. He's tearing it up in HS ball right now: averaging 26/9 on almost 60% shooting. Good FT shooter too at nearly 80%. Mid 30's from 3 too. I don't live around LFK anymore so I haven't had the chance to see him, but Norm was over in KC to see him a week or so ago.

Kcmatt7 said:

@BShark If you don't want to read everything, just read the last paragraph.

Their are a couple of things about Newman that bode well for him coming back though.

1. I do not think Newman will get a combine invite this year.
2. Newman does not have the option to transfer.

If he is so dead set on getting paid that he will go play in Europe next season, so be it. I just don't think his family is dumb enough to go that route yet. That is not the best route to the NBA and they should be smart enough to see that.

Sure, $100k sounds nice right now. But KU has state of the art facilities he gets to practice at every day. The competition he goes against every day in practice is preparing him for the NBA more than it would in Europe.

If he leaves to play in Europe after this season, that is his family giving up on him ever playing in the NBA. But people have done dumber things. Even if his future is in Europe, the year he has had this season is not one even European teams would be overly impressed with. He wouldn't be able to fetch the type of money he would be looking for.

But I digress. You are correct in your statement saying that the plan has always been for him to come to KU and play one year to improve his stock. I think part of his problem always has been the pressure to be an NBA pick now. And that pressure is hard enough to handle when it comes from the fans. But when the pressure comes from that inner circle, it makes it so much harder to live up to expectations. I'm hoping this season was a wake up call to his family. Too bad we won't find out for another 4 months.

Eh, I will always read the entire post. Better to do that than to reply poorly because I missed something.

I agree with all these thoughts on paper but will he actually stay who knows. Also is there room for him to stay? Maybe not.

@FarmerJayhawk

Good points. This is the way Mario ended up in the NBA where he had to learn to be a PG; however, he had a much, much better resume and stats than Newman playing SG.