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Figured it would be easier to make a thread with just 2019 info for now. Anyway, here's what I've heard up to now on guys:

The staff is planning on a big class again. The Vick/Romeo scholarship will be open, Dedric will go pro, and if he returns (which I think he will), Udoka will likely bolt too. Look for the staff to recruit like Grimes is a OAD too. 4 is a really good bet for how many they'll add, but I could also foresee 5 if there's a weird departure.

Jacobs is solid for KU. No worries there. He's also really the only PG the staff is looking strongly at. I wouldn't be surprised at a RS for him. No rush to throw him out there right away. A guy like Cole Anthony isn't coming with Dotson already in the fold.

On Grimes's replacement, it looks like Zach Harvey is really a matter of when, not if, assuming KU continues to prioritize him. However, he may not start. If the staff goes elsewhere, they love Cassius Stanley. He's a plus plus athlete with plenty of skill to play the 2. He'll be tough to pull from SoCal though. He's also a year old for his class, and rumors are he could reclassify. In that case, only look for KU to be involved if there's a mass exodus after the season.

Wing is arguably the biggest need in this class. And we're looking at a ton of them. Stanley could play that spot, but if not there are a ton of options. There are some lower ranked guys like Malik Hall from Sunrise and Josh Green, an Australian from IMG. Jalen Wilson is a fast riser out of Texas who I love. We offered last fall, and he was at AFH in January. 247 has him a 5*, 15th overall. Super versatile kid too. Also closer to 6'8 than 6'6 where he's listed these days.

Speaking of versatility, Precious Achiwura may be my favorite prospect in the class. He's a 6'9 wing with all the tools in the world. He could grow to almost 7'0 and already has a 7'1 wingspan. He's already a good rebounder and terrific playmaker for his size. He needs to improve his shot and get stronger, but he may have the highest ceiling in the class. Look for KU to really get involved over the summer. Norm the lead here. If he does grow to that size, he could easily be recruited as a stretch 4.

Speaking of stretch 4's, Matt Hurt is really a guy KU will pursue. A friend of mine in the Duke world told me they think he's staying in the midwest. That leaves KU and Minnesota, where his brother plays. We can get him. Jeremiah Robinson-Earl or bust. Should come in right away and replace Dedric. Also probably a matter of when. The staff is still looking at Chandler Lawson, but we'll see.

I think Silvio opens the year at the 5. It's a strong class for big men at the top, but KU really isn't heavily involved for any. There's Vernon Carey obviously, but I think Sparty if Izzo survives. Kofi Cockburn, unfortunate name and all, is another guy to watch. He's an absolute physical force, but has a long way to go in the skill department.

Sorry for the novel, but that's where I think things stand as of today. We'll find out where the staff's priorities are with much greater certainty this summer.

@FarmerJayhawk thanks for the insights. Are you optimistic that we will have as much success closing the deal on our targets as we did with the 2018 class?

I do not see Zach harvey turning down Kansas

@approxinfinity no problem. As of today, yes. Things can obviously change though. Silvio wasn’t close to our radar a year ago too.

@FarmerJayhawk

I have a good friend connected with Brewster Academy and he knows Achiuwa's coach in Jersey. He told me recently that KU was making him their priority wing. If anyone has seen him play recently you will know why. It's the only insider info I get being from the northeast. Of course the information isn't straight from the source but I trust his Intel. We will see how serious we pursue I think Achiuwa has become the top wing in 19

@BeddieKU23 thats awesome. Glad everyone is saying the same thing there. I’ll be really interested to see him over the summer. I think his skill level will really take off once he’s done growing.

Oh jeez I totally forgot someone, like I knew I would. Current 2020 and possible 2019 reclass PG RJ Hampton would be an A+ addition at the 2 if Grimes leaves. Big, 6'4, maybe even 6'5 kid who can really play. Consensus top 5 player in 2020 and wouldn't be far behind that in 2019.

@FarmerJayhawk What if RJ reclasses to 19? Does that change anything with Jacobs? Or would someone else likely be pushed out? You can't just stop recruiting RJ imo.

Really can't go wrong with Wilson or Achiuwa at the wing. I'd love either one of them. RJ and Jalen seem really close, not saying they play together in college but I believe they have known each other since grade school and I would take them as a package deal in a second.

Edit: I see you mentioned RJ before I made this post. Hadn't loaded that yet when I posted.

Hurt and JRE are kids I think we get, and both are very very good.

@BShark I doubt it affects Jacobs if Hampton doesn't announce a reclass until a year or more from now. If Harvey and Jacobs want to sign early, I think you take them no questions asked and assume Hampton is a 2020 guy and keep recruiting him as such.

FarmerJayhawk said:

@BeddieKU23 thats awesome. Glad everyone is saying the same thing there. I’ll be really interested to see him over the summer. I think his skill level will really take off once he’s done growing.

As you said there is a chance he still grows and becomes more of a stretch 4. Whether he's a wing or Stretch 4 Achiuwa is a matchup nightmare right now.

I was told St Johns is in his ear (brother played at St Johns) but his coach has said he believes Achiuwa is more of a national recruit then his brother ever was and could do his own thing. Norm Roberts has done a great job building an early relationship with him. This is one that the staff has done its work early (Like a Dotson/Grimes situation).

My friend says Brewster has two Top 100 Jr's that he wished KU would give a look to. He's aware KU has some other options already at this point but he thinks highly of the two and works with them closely to improve their games

@BeddieKU23 I would figure one is Sherif Kenney who looks like a high major prospect but who is the other player?

BShark said:

@BeddieKU23 I would figure one is Sherif Kenney who looks like a high major prospect but who is the other player?

Joel Brown who's a PG from Canada. Brown has Rutgers, BC some other schools interested. Uconn was until the news about Ollie likely getting the can at season's end. He ended up going to VT Academy where Shittu is just before the season started. Brewster has a stacked squad and he didn't want to risk not playing much this year. Brown still drives down to Brewster every once in a while to get in some side work with my friend. He's high on him. He doesn't necessarily think Brown is KU level but he always loves when KU shows interest in the Brewster kids- he's a big fan of Self and the staff and when KU shows interest in any kid from this area the Northeast schools start sending more assistants and kids gets exposure and looks. So he looks at it from the perspective that any interest KU shows is ultimately a good thing for them.

With Agbaji signing, wing isn't as much an issue in 2019. We know that Garrett, Agbaji and Cunliffe will all be here. KJ Lawson likely sticks around. Dotson will probably be here. Moore, too. That gives us three PGs (Dotson, Moore and Jacobs) on that roster, plus Garrett as a junior, Agbaji as either a sophomore or redshirt freshman, and Cunliffe as a senior (assuming he stays).

Harvey makes seven guys on the perimeter. I'm hoping he continues to develop. He's struggled off and on this year against some of the better athletes he has faced. He has also had some really nice games this year, and has shown an improving shooting touch. I think more than anything, Zach just needs to get a little bit stronger to handle the uptick in competition. Since he's still a ways away from graduation, he is still on track to get where he needs to be, though I would almost rather him be in the weight room all summer than on the court. I will note that he looks like he's starting to fill out naturally anyway, so he's doing the work. It's just going to be a long summer of more work for him.

Robinson-Earl also needs to add some strength. Kid is still pretty slender. He's probably also on track to be ready when he gets on campus, but that's going to be something he needs to work on. I'd also like to see him be a bit more active on the glass. He's really athletic, and here in Kansas, he should be averaging more like 10-12 rebounds per game (averages a very solid 8.6 right now). As athletic as he is, he should be outright dominant on the glass. I remember one of the things I loved about TRob as a recruit was that he was a relentless rebounder. He averaged something like 14 or 15 boards a game as a senior because he just wanted to get every rebound. I hope that happens for JRE as well.

Unless Ogbaji is ready for a big role as a Soph I'm going to be hard pressed to believe the Wing position isn't a high priority in 2019. Especially with targets such as Achiuwa, Wilson and others that have shown a lot of promise

Agbaji is a nice signing and I wouldn't push him out but if we have the room to take 5 players (axing Cunliffe maybe?) then you add an elite wing if you can. Achiuwa and Wilson definitely qualify.

Harvey with a huge game last night, dropping 42 in the win. Hit 7 threes. He's averaging over 25 a game since his ankle got healthy, though that's obviously a bit skewed with the big game last night. Still, seven threes in a game demonstrates that Harvey has improved his overall shooting touch even more (was 7-10 from three, 15-21 from the field).

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His game is growing on me. Making that perimeter shot would make him even more valuable as an addition to the team.

Another 2019 player to keep an eye on Lester Quinones. Plays with Achiuwa at St Benedict's.

6'5 wing that can shoot. I'm going to reach out to my Brewster friend to see what he's got to say on that. #66 ranked player

Quinones told Rivals that he feels as if Illinois, St. John’s, Minnesota, Kansas and Georgetown are the five programs that he is hearing from the most.

Kansas: “It means a lot to be recruited by them. They haven’t offered yet but it is a really good look.”

Doesn't sound like KU is that interested just yet..

@BeddieKU23 Maybe he wants Kansas? Don't see him listed on Rivals or 247 but he claims an offer on twitter. Makes sense that we would see him a lot because of Achiuwa. Someone to keep an eye on if other options don't work out I suppose.

justanotherfan said:

Harvey with a huge game last night, dropping 42 in the win. Hit 7 threes. He's averaging over 25 a game since his ankle got healthy, though that's obviously a bit skewed with the big game last night. Still, seven threes in a game demonstrates that Harvey has improved his overall shooting touch even more (was 7-10 from three, 15-21 from the field).

I've Actually seen him play a few times this year living right here in Topeka with him - -out at Hayden. - -Just looks to me that he is continuing to just get better - -nice stroke. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer73 We should meet up at a game some time. I've been to a few of Zach's games as well.

@BShark you could help him w/his computer

@jayballer73 @BShark

I would like to see Zach develop more of his off the dribble game. His upside is limited if he is only a spot up shooter. Granted, with the way his shot is coming along, he can be a very good spot up shooter, but that's the difference between a Brannen Greene type career and a Travis Releford type career.

BShark said:

@jayballer73 We should meet up at a game some time. I've been to a few of Zach's games as well.

Oh you have? - -ya we should. - - it's not very long before the tournies start up. - -It's just a hop skip and Jump for me as I live in the southeast part of town. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

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@dylans Thank you.

Norm Roberts is at Hayden to watch Zach Harvey now

Sam Williamson will be at AFH tomorrow. He’s KU’s if they want him. Rivals has him top 50, Scout/247 have him over 200 for some reason. KU legacy too.

Self visited JRE tonight.

Zach Harvey had 28 points tonight coming off the bench for Hayden

Ogbjia will be in Lawrence for the Oklahoma game Monday

@blackmild33 Coming off the bench?

@Hawk8086 it was senior night there.

@FarmerJayhawk Ahhh....thanks

Ochai and Malik Hall will be at the game tomorrow night.

@BShark and me! I saw Cole and his wife on mass this am, of course I had to shake his hand and say congrats. They were so nice. Said they were in town til tues so I'm guessing he'll be there for Sherron.

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@BShark

The kid just loves KU.

Another guy KU should be on in 2019. Very skilled and versatile guard. Grew 5” in the last year so shooting is still inconsistent, but will get better as he fills out. https://247sports.com/Player/AJ-Lawson-46039513 ↗

FarmerJayhawk said:

Another guy KU should be on in 2019. Very skilled and versatile guard. Grew 5” in the last year so shooting is still inconsistent, but will get better as he fills out. https://247sports.com/Player/AJ-Lawson-46039513 ↗

Looks pretty good. I think Oregon and UK have better Canada pipelines than us but Wiggins can't hurt.

Josh Green mentioned KU as one of the schools talking to him daily and recruiting him hard. Green is a stud. Big guard much in the mold of Grimes

BeddieKU23 said:

Josh Green mentioned KU as one of the schools talking to him daily and recruiting him hard. Green is a stud. Big guard much in the mold of Grimes

He is a fair bit better than Harvey at this stage from what I've seen. Their ranking is similar though. I wonder if we can take both.

Harvey was at the OU blood bath.

Achiuwa's team won the NJ prep state title last night.

JRE visiting Arizona.. Matt is saying don't be concerned but we'll see

@BeddieKU23 I haven't heard of anything changing here, but AZ is AZ so obviously the history is there. I'll keep my ear to the ground on this. I've been to a few of his games this year.

BShark said:

@BeddieKU23 I haven't heard of anything changing here, but AZ is AZ so obviously the history is there. I'll keep my ear to the ground on this. I've been to a few of his games this year.

Yeah we'll see how this plays out. JRE is good friends with Jontay Porter who's godfather is Romar (Zona assistant).

I expect him to take more visits. UNC and some others have put forth the effort. So he should use all his officials and ultimately end up at KU.

Romar is every recruit's god father it seems. :joy:

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

Josh Green mentioned KU as one of the schools talking to him daily and recruiting him hard. Green is a stud. Big guard much in the mold of Grimes

He is a fair bit better than Harvey at this stage from what I've seen. Their ranking is similar though. I wonder if we can take both.

Harvey was at the OU blood bath.

I think Green is better at this point as well and physically he's really filled out at IMG. I like how Harvey is developing. 2019 class is really strong and KU is in a good spot to clean up

BShark said:

I expect him to take more visits. UNC and some others have put forth the effort. So he should use all his officials and ultimately end up at KU.

Romar is every recruit's god father it seems. :joy:

I expect him to visit others as well. The Zona one is interesting seems how they just offered. JRE should enjoy the process however for KU fans we all wish he would shut it down early..

@BeddieKU23 It sure feels like we are in a great spot with a lot of targets. I think it's already basically down to KU and Minnesota for Hurt. He could pop early.

Then there is still Chandler Lawson. That's a very close family and Dedric and KJ have been loving it in Lawrence.

That's...a lot of 4s. Especially considering Mitch and KJ should still be around.

Don't worry too much about JRE. He's being smart and keeping his options open. I actually think Lawson ends up at Memphis with Penny Hardaway as HC there. Would be a heck of a coup. His HS team in Memphis is stacked. Both Lawsons, DJ Jeffries (their cousin), and #1 in 2019 James Wiseman is on that team. Don't be shocked if he takes the Memphis job in the offseason.

@FarmerJayhawk That would be a smart move for Memphis.

BeddieKU23 said:

BShark said:

@BeddieKU23 I haven't heard of anything changing here, but AZ is AZ so obviously the history is there. I'll keep my ear to the ground on this. I've been to a few of his games this year.

Yeah we'll see how this plays out. JRE is good friends with Jontay Porter who's godfather is Romar (Zona assistant).

Would MU be involved then?

@JayHawkFanToo I don't think he will end up at a dumpster program like Missouri.

JayHawkFanToo said:

BeddieKU23 said:

BShark said:

@BeddieKU23 I haven't heard of anything changing here, but AZ is AZ so obviously the history is there. I'll keep my ear to the ground on this. I've been to a few of his games this year.

Yeah we'll see how this plays out. JRE is good friends with Jontay Porter who's godfather is Romar (Zona assistant).

Would MU be involved then?

They have offered. Haven't seen them that involved.

@BeddieKU23 They want to be involved. The optics might appear better if they don't try hard though. I believe he did take an unofficial visit there.

Would make sense if Lawson went to Memphis. I think KU is going to get better anyway

@BShark

MU is doing better now (tied for 3rd with 5 other teams but no hope for title) but it will start declining and after year 3 Cuonzo Martin will bolt right on schedule.

JRE visits AZ and KU shouldn’t be worried? Ayton says hello! 🙄

@JayHawkFanToo Yeah I just look at his history and I don't see him having any long term success. He has been a constant tease.

@Gorilla72 well JRE isn’t going. So everyone simmer 😂

Gorilla72 said:

JRE visits AZ and KU shouldn’t be worried? Ayton says hello! 🙄

YA Ayton say hello - -we now know why Ayton says hello from Arizona don't we? - -100,000 dollar worth of Arizona/Sean Miller hello. - - do we think JRE will NOW go to Arizona after what we have heard yesterday with of stumpy? - -I think question - -ANSWERED - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer73 who is JRE?

KUSTEVE said:

@jayballer73 who is JRE?

james Robinson Earl guy. - -Lester Earl's boy - plays down in hell I'm not sure drawing a blank right now Shawnee Misson? - I can't remember right now - but pretty much a lock for KU really good 2019 recruit ranked like I think right around # 23 some where right there in the Nation - -now he gonna take a visit to Arizona - don't think means squat. - Now with this coming out with Stumpy don't even trip - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Ashton Hagans decommitted from UGA. Top 10 player for 2019 back in play.

He is the type of PG that Cal loves and I imagine UK will make a hard push. I'm sure we will probe, but I doubt KU is a legit option for him.

BShark said:

He is the type of PG that Cal loves and I imagine UK will make a hard push. I'm sure we will probe, but I doubt KU is a legit option for him.

KU watched him all summer during Adidas camps seems how Q and Dave were the targets..

I really like his game and was stunned when he committed to Georgia. Backing off the commitment so early is just as puzzling honestly.

And your right this has Calipari slime written all over it

@BeddieKU23 I don't think it's that surprising. He is better than UGA and maybe just wants to show that. I'd love to see him at KU but with Dotson in year two it's a tough sell plus I hope Markese ends up here regardless of where his ranking ends up.

BShark said:

@BeddieKU23 I don't think it's that surprising. He is better than UGA and maybe just wants to show that. I'd love to see him at KU but with Dotson in year two it's a tough sell plus I hope Markese ends up here regardless of where his ranking ends up.

You made a good point with Dotson. I think KU was out after Ashton before Devon became theirs to lose. He's probably going to stay in the south area so I'm not too worried. He's by the far the best PG in the 19 class in my opinion from what I saw of him as a Jr

@BeddieKU23 No doubt. He would help Cal keep up his PG to the NBA pipeline. Cal "develops" top pgs that are surefire NBA starters so well!

Tyrese Maxey is probably the next best PG in the class.

@BeddieKU23 Hagans reclassing to 2018. I guess we will find out shortly who was behind this power play.

Spoiler: UK

BShark said:

@BeddieKU23 Hagans reclassing to 2018. I guess we will find out shortly who was behind this power play.

Spoiler: UK

ridiculous its not like they need another PG. Not understanding if its UK related

@BeddieKU23 Yeah you are right it would not make a lot of sense. Green should stick around and they have Quickley. Maybe it will be another school after all.

BShark said:

@BeddieKU23 Yeah you are right it would not make a lot of sense. Green should stick around and they have Quickley. Maybe it will be another school after all.

I believe Green has been coming off the bench- still playing starters minutes but Alexander has been the primary PG during the recent stretch. QG is going to be a good 4 year guard for Calipari if he doesn't become the next Ryan Harrow.

But I have a hard time believing he's reclassifying to join Quickley and Green. Stranger things have happened of course.

@BeddieKU23 Green is getting the axe if Hagans goes to UK. No way he wants to be the third PG on the roster. I'm sure either way we will hear more soon. Hagans doesn't even technically have a UK offer at this point.

BShark said:

@BeddieKU23 Green is getting the axe if Hagans goes to UK. No way he wants to be the third PG on the roster. I'm sure either way we will hear more soon. Hagans doesn't even technically have a UK offer at this point.

I would take Hagans over Green if I was picking a side. I'm not a big Quade fan, wasn't in HS and I'm not surprised he's struggled a bit as a freshman. Syracuse could have really used him this season

@BeddieKU23 Cuse could use a lot of help. Green I believe modeled his game after AI, which is a poor choice but he is a Philly kid so that was his hoops role model growing up.

I really doubt it's UK for Hagans. My guess is he stays in state. Either Tech or wait to see who replaces Mark Fox at UGA.

FarmerJayhawk said:

I really doubt it's UK for Hagans. My guess is he stays in state. Either Tech or wait to see who replaces Mark Fox at UGA.

Interesting.

Matt mentioned KU won't be getting involved.

BShark said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

I really doubt it's UK for Hagans. My guess is he stays in state. Either Tech or wait to see who replaces Mark Fox at UGA.

Interesting.

Matt mentioned KU won't be getting involved.

Not surprised given the studs we got already. I wouldn't trade Hagans for either of our guards

Self visiting Matt Hurt again tonight. He sure seems like our top priority in 2019.

BShark said:

Self visiting Matt Hurt again tonight. He sure seems like our top priority in 2019.

Keeping the pedal to the medal on that one. Despite hurts ranking I think he's a type that would be in college past a year which is always a good thing.

If we pull a hurt, achiuwa, JRE triple holy cow

Hurt would be a fantastic addition. Not sure he does stay beyond one year but that would be awesome. He'd thrive at the 4 spot here.

Hurt had a good game tonight in front of Bill self

31/14/10/6

Prettttay good

KU I would assume won't get involved because we are loaded in the post but Nick Mayo is going to be an in demand grad transfer. 6'8'' 225 lbs forward that is a career 43% three point shooter on 183 attempts.

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From VA originally, knows McCormack.

@BShark As big as we are next year, could we use him as a shooting guard next year:astonished: ?

Matt Scott saying Dante (2020 center from Sunrise) could reclass to 2019. Mercy let’s hope so. He’d vault right to #1 on our board, and would be the best replacement for Udoka

FarmerJayhawk said:

Matt Scott saying Dante (2020 center from Sunrise) could reclass to 2019. Mercy let’s hope so. He’d vault right to #1 on our board, and would be the best replacement for Udoka

In the words of @jayballer73 "MERCY"

Hurt and Dante frontcourt? I’ll take it.

@FarmerJayhawk 40-0

Can you imagine? Dotson/Grimes/Achiwua/Hurt/Dante? Good lord

FarmerJayhawk said:

Can you imagine? Dotson/Grimes/Achiwua/Hurt/Dante? Good lord

oh my.

Insanity

That line-up seems good.

A quick Zach Harvey update.

Hayden has completed the toughest portion of its schedule. Because 4A split into two divisions a few years ago, and Hayden is in the lower division, they are no longer in the same class with Bishop Miege, McPherson and others. Rock Creek, Wichita Collegiate and Wichita Trinity are probably the best teams besides Hayden, and Hayden won't see them until state.

Hayden likely won't really be tested this weekend during substate. Harvey was sounding pretty confident about this weekend. His biggest concern is just staying on the floor since so much of what his team does runs through him. I think he's been biding his time a little bit this season, saving himself for a big three game run next week. Judging from some of what he said, I think he tries to keep his teammates involved this weekend, then takes over if necessary at state next week.

Lots of smoke out there that Memphis is going to bite the bullet and buy Tubby out to hire Penny Hardaway as HC. If so, look for his entire squad at Memphis East to follow him. That’s the entire Lawson clan, plus #1 prospect James Wiseman.

@FarmerJayhawk

You mean the younger Lawson's.

After Tubby's recent comments I can certainly see why they would

@BeddieKU23 yeah, all but the ones currently on KU’s roster.

FarmerJayhawk said:

@BeddieKU23 yeah, all but the ones currently on KU’s roster.

Ok that's fine. Wasn't that high on Chandler and not sure what the younger one will develop to be. Would love to see Penny steal Wiseman from Kentucky

@BeddieKU23 If ever there was a year for something like this to happen, 2019 is pretty loaded with good options for KU at the 3/4.

BShark said:

@BeddieKU23 If ever there was a year for something like this to happen, 2019 is pretty loaded with good options for KU at the 3/4.

Exactly, there's better talent to get then just taking an entire family worth of prospects. Achiuwa will play in the NBA. Hurt could as well if he develops physically. JRE, same boat.

@BeddieKU23 I like Malik Hall a lot too. Purdue is ramping it up for him.

@FarmerJayhawk I'll believe it when I see it. As long as Bill treats the Lawson's right, I don't see why they would try another experiment. Or why they would split the brother's up. I expect KJ to be at KU while Chandler is.

Now, that #1 prospect, that might be legit. But I expect Cal to close that deal. Even if he needs to call in WWW to do it.

Apparently the staff got in touch with Brandon Williams after he decommitted from Arizona.

Would have to be okay playing off of the ball. Would move Grimes to Wing. Probably. I definitely don't hate having two PGs playing together. Especially ones as talented as Dotson and Williams would be.

Kcmatt7 said:

Would have to be okay playing off of the ball. Would move Grimes to Wing. Probably. I definitely don't hate having two PGs playing together. Especially ones as talented as Dotson and Williams would be.

I think there is a very real chance he ends up at AZ still. Unless their staff actually gets terminated.

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Not a big fan of Williams honestly and with the knee injury which was not some easy recovery id be very skeptical of how his leg will hold up

BShark said:

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:joy: :joy: :joy:

Booom

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/high-school/article203933274.html ↗

Fantastic article on JRE.

@BShark

I feel older than dirt. It seems like yesterday when his dad was playing. Dang...I feel officially old.

@BShark That's hilarious, haha

@RockkChalkk I'm hopeful Grimes knows something.

BShark said:

@RockkChalkk I'm hopeful Grimes knows something.

Wow yeah, that quote at the end about Grimes being one of his closest friends says a lot. I do think he ends up at KU next year which would make next year's class insane.

Tough to know how friendships affect recruiting decisions. Grimes and Langford likely talk and text back and forth every day now while living in different states. Once they get to the NBA, that will likely continue. Maybe they decide to go to the same school to hang out together for one year, but its also possible that they just keep doing what they are doing while Grimes is in Lawrence and Langford is in (select destination).

With AAU the way it is, these kids meet each other when they are fairly young. My gut wonders if they had an agreement to go to the same place, why hasn't Langford committed yet?

justanotherfan said:

Tough to know how friendships affect recruiting decisions. Grimes and Langford likely talk and text back and forth every day now while living in different states. Once they get to the NBA, that will likely continue. Maybe they decide to go to the same school to hang out together for one year, but its also possible that they just keep doing what they are doing while Grimes is in Lawrence and Langford is in (select destination).

With AAU the way it is, these kids meet each other when they are fairly young. My gut wonders if they had an agreement to go to the same place, why hasn't Langford committed yet?

This is actually why I think KU is at least the frontrunner. Its the only school of his three finalists with a legit reason to wait on making an announcement. The reason being to wait and see what the status of Newman & Vick are for next year, returning or not.

@RockkChalkk I think Langford would commit today if Dad wasn’t running the recruitment.

@Kcmatt7 bingo

Arizona decommit Brandon Williams

Kansas: "Kansas is Kansas and I know they have Quentin Grimes coming in and Devon Dotson so it’s just looking at how I would fit in a three-guard situation. Coach (Bill) Self does great things with guards though and all you have to look at is Frank Mason to see how he develops players."

Still doubt he leaves the wc though.

The interesting part is the staff gave him a call. Seems like spots are available.

@BShark if Sam, Malik and Vick leave AND Langford commits it looks like we would still have one Scholly to give.

Somebody refresh my memory. - -When is the McDonalds All Star Game again? - - The reason I ask is that Romeo had mentioned that he might possibly announce where he was going to College at that time.

I personally like someone else here mentioned - -I think if he announces then - -that doesn't fare well for us because he won't know what Vick or anyone else that is presently here is going to do - -we shall see. - -So when is the game? - -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer73

March 28th.

I do not expect he announces then

I'm not sure how long the state playoffs for Langford will last but he may still be playing close to the Burger game. They wanted to visit IU one more time as well. They haven't officially scheduled a date yet so there's still a chance he doesn't visit but at the moment I think this recruitment is going into April and he'll announce when the spring period is live

@BeddieKU23 my guess is mid-April. We (and Romeo) will have a much better idea of what all 3 rosters will look like heading into next season, and what kind of role he’d have on each team. Still think KU if Vick (and probably Malik) leave.

Ideal scenario for me is still Vick and Cunliffe depart, we land Romeo, and Malik stays to run some point, add some experience, and be our best shooter.

@FarmerJayhawk

If Malik continues playing like he did yesterday, he will play himself into the draft.

Unless Newman and Vick sign with agents before the combine, I think we see Romeo waiting until May, after the combine and everything is settled. They have been this patient so far, why rush a decision? He can still commit in time to be here the first day that Summer practices start.

FarmerJayhawk said:

@BeddieKU23 my guess is mid-April. We (and Romeo) will have a much better idea of what all 3 rosters will look like heading into next season, and what kind of role he’d have on each team. Still think KU if Vick (and probably Malik) leave.

Ideal scenario for me is still Vick and Cunliffe depart, we land Romeo, and Malik stays to run some point, add some experience, and be our best shooter.

I would take that scenario in a heartbeat. I believe Romeo is the last piece to what could potentially be one of Self's best teams.

Big fan of Vick but not this years Vick and I'm at peace if he pursues a professional career.

I prefer Malik back to guide the young'ns and become the next in line guard that Frank & Devonte paved for him.

@FarmerJayhawk @JayHawkFanToo I expect Newman to go the Selden route even if he doesn't get drafted.

@BeddieKU23 I don't want Newman running the point for KU. That's not a strength of his. He's much more effective offensively when he's playing off the ball.

Texas Hawk 10 said:

@BeddieKU23 I don't want Newman running the point for KU. That's not a strength of his. He's much more effective offensively when he's playing off the ball.

I don't want him running point either and he wouldn't. We signed a 5 star for that

RS JR Newman would be great to have on the roster.

@Kcmatt7 I agree with you. - - I am just not getting where people think he might be coming back. - I really think like you do - -I have thought this for some time - -even if he is undrafted I think he goes over sea's and makes money there. - I just do not see him coming back in any scenario. -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

James Scott from Kennesaw State is transferring. Presumably transferring up. Averaged 17 ppg this year.

BShark said:

James Scott from Kennesaw State is transferring. Presumably transferring up. Averaged 17 ppg this year.

Should we start a thread for transfers in and out of programs?

@BeddieKU23 I've thought about it. I think it's probably fine to do so, or just mention the high profile ones in the recruiting thread.

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@BShark wonder how Mac and Bishop Miege came out?

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@BShark wonder how Mac and Bishop Miege came out?

Miege won 57-54. There are rumours that Harvey will be at Miege next year to team up with JRE.

@BShark best recruiting high school

@Crimsonorblue22 All the catholic school recruit right? I know Hayden recruited when I was in HS.

@Crimsonorblue22

I should try to catch a few of their games since my daughter graduated from Miege.

@BShark in the KC area, Miege is by far the worst.

@bshark Take those #’s with a grain of salt. Holcomb is just up the road from here and they are good, but not great. Usually short, rarely super athletic - there’s no D1 talent playing for Holcomb. But those are nice shooting numbers against anyone.

Don't be surprised if Williams End at Oregon

DJ Jeffries will be committing to UK tomorrow night.

@BShark Wonder why he is committing so early. Makes me wonder if Cal has a reclass up his sleeve. With Knox and Diallo both leaving they don't really have anyone to D up stud Wings. Whiffing on Langford, Barrett, Reddish and Zion kind of put him in a bind I think.

Kcmatt7 said:

@BShark Wonder why he is committing so early. Makes me wonder if Cal has a reclass up his sleeve. With Knox and Diallo both leaving they don't really have anyone to D up stud Wings. Whiffing on Langford, Barrett, Reddish and Zion kind of put him in a bind I think.

CAL PASSED ON REDDISH AND LANGFORD. #UKFACTS

@Kcmatt7 Reclass rumors swirling right now.

@BShark watch for him to flip from UK once Penny Hardaway gets the Memphis job. Wiseman may also reclass up to join him. Only way Wiseman goes to 2018 IMO. His mom would like him to stay home, or wait to leave until 2019.

FarmerJayhawk said:

@BShark watch for him to flip from UK once Penny Hardaway gets the Memphis job. Wiseman may also reclass up to join him. Only way Wiseman goes to 2018 IMO. His mom would like him to stay home, or wait to leave until 2019.

Memphis would be good in a hurry.

@BShark Someone give me a job.

http://www.insidethehall.com/2018/03/12/romeo-langford-decision-wont-come-until-april/ ↗

truehawk93 said:

http://www.insidethehall.com/2018/03/12/romeo-langford-decision-wont-come-until-april/ ↗

Bodes really well for us!

Indiana fans really think Romeo’s going there. They’re just gonna get hurt. Don’t take recruiting so personally.

KU is in an extremely good position for Romeo.

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/high-school/2018/03/12/romeo-langford-pins-down-when-hell-reveal-college-decision/418077002/ ↗

Tubby out at Memphis

In with Penny

BeddieKU23 said:

Tubby out at Memphis

In with Penny

Surprise surprise.

I have been saying for a while now that Tubby is way overrated. He won a title with Pitino’s players and has not done anything noteworthy since then.

JayHawkFanToo said:

I have been saying for a while now that Tubby is way overrated. He won a title with Pitino’s players and has not done anything noteworthy since then.

He did do okay this season with a roster that isn't the same as what Memphis was under the Calipari/Pastner years. Tubby can't recruit in today's age which I think ultimately hurts him the most. Then his transfer rant just seemed to hit at the right time for Memphis to can him. Memphis can do better

Gotta hand it to Brucey, he was out recruiting last night. At EJ Liddell's game.

Illinois fans are hilariously scared of Kansas at this point. Worried about KU for Liddell. I doubt there is serious involvement there. Too many better options than a 6'7'' PF. He is a fine program player but the main schools right now being ILL, KSU, ISU etc... says it all. Missouri I believe has even backed off a bit. Maybe his recruitment still blows up at some point, it's early for 2019 yet.

Matta declined Georgia job

Crean meeting with Pitt

Crean takes the Georgia job

Vanderbilt "conveniently" pushed a few guards out to make room for Langford

BeddieKU23 said:

Vanderbilt "conveniently" pushed a few guards out to make room for Langford

Vanderbilt's uptick in recruiting isn't suspicious at all.

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

Vanderbilt "conveniently" pushed a few guards out to make room for Langford

Vanderbilt's uptick in recruiting isn't suspicious at all.

nothing to see here....righttt

LSU being looked into. I can imagine Vandy could be next

Also losing an elite recruit to a Drew would suck.

Jeremiah Robinson-Earl of Miege, also a finalist for 4A-I and all-classes POY, named Sports in Kansas Junior of the Year, Ty Berry of Newton named Sophomore of the Year, while Jackie Johnson of Wichita North named Freshman of the Year. shar.es/1LeQIv

https://247sports.com/Player/Ashton-Hagans-93920 ↗

lol @BeddieKU23

@BShark

Will be interesting to see where he ends up. And please be it anywhere but UK

Bryce Thompson (2020 recruit whose dad played for Self at Tulsa) is shooting up the rankings.

BShark said:

Bryce Thompson (2020 recruit whose dad played for Self at Tulsa) is shooting up the rankings.

That's a big jump and with Self after him early have to think we are sitting great there.

RJ Hamption #3. Boss

Jalen Green is a freak

One of my early favorites from this class is surprisingly under ranked at this point. Noah Farrakhan a PG from IMG. To this point I don't think KU has really reached out to him. I think they should

Anfernee Simons as expected skips college and declares for the draft

@BeddieKU23

He just did.... ↗

Since obtaining his release from Pitt, PG Marcus Carr is hearing from these schools: Texas Cincy Minnesota Iowa State Gonzaga Xavier UMass Akron Ohio state

Big development in our 2019 plans. Jeff Capel took the Pitt job. Look for names like Vernon Carey and Cole Anthony to be more open now.

@FarmerJayhawk

Could be the difference in KU landing Hurt too... Also Achiuwa who I was told Duke was trying to get involved with

I think Hurt will be KU or Minnesota. Thought that before this move even.

@BShark

I wouldn't be surprised if Minnesota is looking for a new coach. It seems we positioned well for Hurt and situations around him might be helping us further

BeddieKU23 said:

@BShark

I wouldn't be surprised if Minnesota is looking for a new coach. It seems we positioned well for Hurt and situations around him might be helping us further

From what I understand, he is the top post target and the staff has made that clear.

USC continues to cheat the legal way. Hiring Eric Mobley as an assistant, he has two sons that are Top 100 prospects in 19 and 20

What's the significance of Jeff Capel switching jobs?

Edit. Never mind. Lead Duke recruiter. I was thinking if someone else.

@BeddieKU23 Lol of course.

dylans said:

What's the significance of Jeff Capel switching jobs?

He's the big time recruiter for Duke.

@BShark Who is Houstons coach?

@dylans Kelvin Sampson

@BShark Thanks, that's who I was thinking of.

Capel got 7 years to field a full team. He might need em all.

This is BIG if RJ Hampton jumps to 2019.

@BeddieKU23

Capel did well at VCU and not that good at OU, much like Smart. Capel taking the Pitt job means he was not in line to take over the Duke program after Coach K retires.

FarmerJayhawk said:

This is BIG if RJ Hampton jumps to 2019.

Definitely I was seeing a lot of dukies starting to think RJ was someone they would go after. I'm sure they still would but this puts KU in a better spot

@JayHawkFanToo

I agree the length of the contract will make it difficult to imagine Capel was next in line. Gets to prove himself at an ACC school though in case he does turn Pitt around

JayHawkFanToo said:

@BeddieKU23

Capel did well at VCU and not that good at OU, much like Smart. Capel taking the Pitt job means he was not in line to take over the Duke program after Coach K retires.

Or, could it mean K isn’t retiring any time soon? Capel wants to be a head coach now!

Mack gets a 7 year deal at Louisville.

They might be on probation for 7 years..

If your Xavier players you have to be pissed. Lot of young talent still there..

FarmerJayhawk said:

This is BIG if RJ Hampton jumps to 2019.

RJ Hampton would probably be the best guard to ever play at KU. Okay I'll pump the brakes a bit maybe but he is electric.

@Gorilla72

Coach K is 71 and with several health issues ↗. I think he will retire in the next 3-5 years or sooner if he gets another NCAA Title or the health issues force him.

KU just offered a bad bad dude in the 2020 class: 🐦 View Tweet

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

Tubby out at Memphis

In with Penny

Surprise surprise.

Poor Tubby can't buy a team. I watched his gradual decline over the years. It's kinda sad. He went from UK, Minnesota, TT, and now Memphis.

FarmerJayhawk said:

Big development in our 2019 plans. Jeff Capel took the Pitt job. Look for names like Vernon Carey and Cole Anthony to be more open now.

Jeff Capel - Blake Griffin, Tiny Gallon, and one more guard at OU. Fail...Let's see what his time at Puke did for his coaching skills.

Duke board reached out to RJ Hampton about Capel leaving. It certainly hurts their relationship now that someone else has to take point especially with the dad.. Too early to tell if that really ends up making all the difference.

Says reclassifying to 19 isn't happening but we all know that can change any day

BeddieKU23 said:

Duke board reached out to RJ Hampton about Capel leaving. It certainly hurts their relationship now that someone else has to take point especially with the dad.. Too early to tell if that really ends up making all the difference.

Says reclassifying to 19 isn't happening but we all know that can change any day

I'll be salty if Duke swipes Hampton away.

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

Duke board reached out to RJ Hampton about Capel leaving. It certainly hurts their relationship now that someone else has to take point especially with the dad.. Too early to tell if that really ends up making all the difference.

Says reclassifying to 19 isn't happening but we all know that can change any day

I'll be salty if Duke swipes Hampton away.

It might come down to timing.. If RJ stays in 20 there's a good chance KU might be looking for its next PG by that time. Of course Duke could be in the same situation with their revolving lineup. Will be interesting to see how the Dotson/Grimes signings impact how prospects look at KU and with Self's involvement in USA ball. Lots of positive momentum on the line

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@BShark that stroke looks pure and release is quick. A few of those shots went up so quick I was honestly shocked lol

Bryce is looking good this far out.. Good thing we have some advantages with this one already

@BeddieKU23 If the staff swings for a commitment it's really hard to see it not happening.

@BShark

Looks like a very good shooter. Hope he continues to grow a little and settle into a position

Should be a 2G/CG. Doubt he grows enough to be a wing.

BShark said:

Should be a 2G/CG. Doubt he grows enough to be a wing.

Perfectly okay with that, would just like to see him more in the 6'4ish area as he doesn't look like a standout athletic type at the moment

You are right about that. Harvey isn't either. I wrote about this in another thread but it's hard to find guys that are elite athletes and elite shooters. Those tend to be OAD players.

I'm fine with adding kids like Thompson and Harvey, just need some athletes too. This year's KU team was an odd beast because of a lack of any kind of depth up front while starting 3 guys that aren't great athletes at the P5 level.

Any 4 year program players that’ll win KU a championship on the line? McCormack and Agbaji possibly?

dylans said:

Any 4 year program players that’ll win KU a championship on the line? McCormack and Agbaji possibly?

I would expect both are here four years atm

@BShark

True. I'm just hoping he gets a bit bigger to compensate a bit and with him being 2 years out there's a good chance he isn't done. I'll take his shooting ability any-day and twice on Sunday.

Harvey has looked more fluid this year from video but its hard to tell. Anything to shed on that?

Got a question. - The signing period is April 11th through May 16th - but seems like they can still commit actually anytime throughout the summer can't they - -thinking that's right cause wew have had transfers announce they were coming after these dates right.?

jayballer73 said:

Got a question. - The signing period is April 11th through May 16th - but seems like they can still commit actually anytime throughout the summer can't they - -thinking that's right cause wew have had transfers announce they were coming after these dates right.?

That is correct. And if they don't sign within the period, they will then just sign what is called a "Grant-in-aid." I don't know why any player signs an actual LOI instead of this thing. If a player signs this instead, they don't need to schools permission to be released.

@Kcmatt7 Thank you for your help. - -I was thinking that was the way it was. I agree with you I wouldn't know why everyone just doesn't go this way either. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAYLONG BABY

Jalen Wilson starting to get attention from Roy.. Say's he's 6'8 now and could be 6'9 before going to College. Wow has that kid grown. Hope he's a big target for KU especially given his Adidas affiliation

@BeddieKU23 And his friendship with RJ Hampton.

2019 will be interesting. We should find out a lot more about top targets (beyond Hurt and JRE) after summer ball.

Green, Harvey, Wilson, Achiuwa..

@BeddieKU23 I want Vernon Carey lololol. Hopefully Self makes a strong impression at team USA U18.

BeddieKU23 said:

Green, Harvey, Wilson, Achiuwa..

But yeah in addition to Hurt and JRE this is a pretty great list. Hurt/JRE to replace Dedric and Doke... Harvey to slot in for Vick or Langford. Jacobs takes the spot likely vacated by Grimes. Mush Cunliffe for a wing...

BShark said:

@BeddieKU23 I want Vernon Carey lololol. Hopefully Self makes a strong impression at team USA U18.

Carey's a big name and he's good, really good but give me JRE, Hurt & Achiuwa and we can trot out a better lineup made for the modern game right? We have Dave and Silvio who figure to be around as well. Hurt has so much Keith Van Horn/Sam Dekker in him that he's tailor made for today's game. JRE is really looking like Ellis 2.0 and Achiuwa is a monster we have never had.

@BeddieKU23 Yeah I figure in this scenario Silvio goes pro but Silvio in his third year would be pretty good.

Completely agree on Hurt. I hope he doesn't waste his one year at Minnesota. :/

Tevian Jones to Illinois. Not a flashy class for Underwood but I think a good one now overall.

BShark said:

Tevian Jones to Illinois. Not a flashy class for Underwood but I think a good one now overall.

He needs an awful lot to save that job. They are going to be horrible next year.

Good pick up though, Jones was definitely was one of the best remaining

https://247sports.com/Player/Eric-Dixon-45572931 ↗

Will be committing to Nova soon. This is what we were talking about with Nova. Taking a top 100-ish 6'6'' center early. I'm sure he will redshirt and be a PITA as a JR/SR.

@BShark

6’6” Center? Too bad Clay will not be at KU to play him when Nova comes to AFH in December. :smiley:

BShark said:

https://247sports.com/Player/Eric-Dixon-45572931 ↗

Will be committing to Nova soon. This is what we were talking about with Nova. Taking a top 100-ish 6'6'' center early. I'm sure he will redshirt and be a PITA as a JR/SR.

What's right his 6'6 250 or 6'7 215? Did he eat a small toddler one day?

@BeddieKU23 Not sure. He looks round. I'm sure Nova will get him in better shape before he ever plays. Rivals lists at 250 pounds as well.

Self meeting with Hurt tomorrow.

Hurt's 247 picture always cracks me up. Looks like such a goober in it haha.

FarmerJayhawk said:

Self meeting with Hurt tomorrow.

Duke's in today..

Also want to add I love the constant contact KU is keeping with Hurt. Not a prospect we want going somewhere else

@BeddieKU23 Well I hope we are showing them film of Perry and how we used him on the perimeter and inside. Because Duke and Kentucky both have proof they will let their 4 man shoot it. Perry was the first 4 that Bill ever let take 3s.

If we do miss, at least we are in on a lot of bigs for 2019.

@Kcmatt7 The twins had the green light also.

Kcmatt7 said:

@BeddieKU23 Well I hope we are showing them film of Perry and how we used him on the perimeter and inside. Because Duke and Kentucky both have proof they will let their 4 man shoot it. Perry was the first 4 that Bill ever let take 3s.

If we do miss, at least we are in on a lot of bigs for 2019.

Will be interesting to see how this plays out. This has a Dotson/Grimes feel to it where the staff is putting a lot of early work in before AAU stuff pops up. I always felt the relationship KU built with those two early helped when things got tight late. Also it helps that Hurt seems to have reciprocated interest in KU and if all goes according to plan there's a likely-hood that the staff can sell him a starting spot in an offense he would flourish in.

@BeddieKU23 Well I feel like we are about to start recruiting at a level we have never seen Bill recruit after the FBI probe. Clearly had players bought away from us these last few years. Add in USA basketball, and it is realistic to think the 2019 class will be an absolute monster one.

What a coup would it be to land JRE, Hurt and Carey?

Kcmatt7 said:

@BeddieKU23 Well I feel like we are about to start recruiting at a level we have never seen Bill recruit after the FBI probe. Clearly had players bought away from us these last few years. Add in USA basketball, and it is realistic to think the 2019 class will be an absolute monster one.

What a coup would it be to land JRE, Hurt and Carey?

One of those is already in, just hasn't formally announced.

I'm very interested to see who's on that USA squad he's coaching. It should be a nice advantage for once

@BeddieKU23 yep. I think JRE pops officially next fall.

BeddieKU23 said:

Also want to add I love the constant contact KU is keeping with Hurt. Not a prospect we want going somewhere else

Top top top top target. The evidence is clear.

Kcmatt7 said:

What a coup would it be to land JRE, Hurt and Carey?

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Some 19 updates reading other boards, well the Duke Board. Usually we are locked in battles with them but we don't seem to be crossing paths so far with too many outside of Hurt/Carey.

Joe Girard apparently is all Duke. Girard? He broke the New York state scoring record and he's only a Junior. I've seen him play, they played a team that lives about 15 minutes from me. Non-athletic white kid ranked in the 100's. He can really shoot it from anywhere often doing his best Trae Young impersonation from 35 feet. Has a lot of big-time offers, Michigan, Cuse, Notre Dame, etc. Helicopter dad and a cocky kid from all those that talk about him.

Bryan Antoine- #7 ranked player apparently is just biding his time. Sounds like he gave the staff a silent commitment at this point.

Isaiah Stewart- #25, bruiser inside. Sounds like he's Duke's as well.

Ut oh....

http://www.cjonline.com/news/20180405/hayden-basketball-standout-zach-harvey-facing-2-felony-sex-crime-charges ↗

@BeddieKU23 The sexting stuff with teenagers is unreal.

@Hawk8086 the fact they get in trouble for it to this degree is what blows my mind.

@BeddieKU23 Girard LOOKS like a Dukie. I nearly threw up looking at his profile pic.

Duke lately has been trending ahead of UK but they thought Knox was a lock too. Cal hasn't given up on Antoine so I won't count him out yet.

@BShark

Girard looks like a shorter JJ Redick. Nice 4 year player, but limited in what he will be able to do in college because he's not that big, and his game dictates that he needs to play off the ball to be the most successful, kind of like Jeff Boschee.

Boschee's career really took off playing with Aaron Miles and Kirk Hinrich because he could get his catch and shoot game going. Playing on ball, Boschee couldn't catch and shoot, so he wasn't as dangerous. His senior year, with both Miles and Hinrich, he shot 46% from three while taking over 6 threes a game.

Girard needs to be paired with a good PG, otherwise he's going to disappoint from playing out of position.

Heard today the Hurts are really looking at PG situations for a school and definitely not set on being OAD. They really want the second pro contract.

FarmerJayhawk said:

Heard today the Hurts are really looking at PG situations for a school and definitely not set on being OAD. They really want the second pro contract.

Well this seems excellent for KU.

@BShark I’m sticking to my guns that we’re getting Hurt and JRE in 19. Dante also a possibility if he wants to reclassify.

@FarmerJayhawk That would be nasty. Hurt is definitely the top priority, they have visited him more as a JR than any recruit I can remember.

The PG thing just seems like a huge plus because SO Dotson is going to be very good. Also if he really is a two year player he would easily be my top want in 2019.

@BShark I agree. I think Grimes is going to be around for that year as well. Definitely not sold on him being a OAD. Hurt with 2 years of Hudy will be a NPOY candidate.

One day I must apologize to Hurt for not wanting him in this class. I think I did say that once. But man his junior film looks really good and with the game the way it is there is no player other then Achiuwa tailor made more for this team

@BeddieKU23 Yep, he's a great modern post player.

Duke is no longer recruiting EJ Montgomery. Wow.

Would not shock me to see Richards transfer if they land Montgomery and Washington comes back. No room at the inn.

Kcmatt7 said:

Would not shock me to see Richards transfer if they land Montgomery and Washington comes back. No room at the inn.

They were 2 scholarships under the limit this season. They will be fine. Now from a PT perspective you might be right.

Has anyone but PJ Washington declared for them yet?

LOL AS I TYPE IT KNOX MAKES IT OFFICIAL

@BShark Scholarships is not the problem lol. Vanderbilt, Washington, SKJ and Gabriel were all playing in front of him last year. Add Montgomery into the mix and I don't see where his minutes come from.

Of course UK won't get roasted that Richards, Gabriel, Vanderbilt and Washington all come back for multiple years despite being top 25 players. Only Self gets that treatment. :rolling_eyes:

Kcmatt7 said:

@BShark Scholarships is not the problem lol. Vanderbilt, Washington, SKJ and Gabriel were all playing in front of him last year. Add Montgomery into the mix and I don't see where his minutes come from.

Of course UK won't get roasted that Richards, Gabriel, Vanderbilt and Washington all come back for multiple years despite being top 25 players. Only Self gets that treatment. :rolling_eyes:

Yeah, what a shitty and tired narrative.

Vernon Carey will have his top 5 tomorrow. Guessing Duke, Miami, Michigan State, UK, and UNC.

@FarmerJayhawk If he doesn't come here I hope he puts us out of the misery now. Glad Porter Jr. Eliminated us early last year when he could have road the hype train

I agree. Kind of a bummer Self didn’t get to try to sway him this summer.

@FarmerJayhawk So we're not a player for Carey?

We’ll see when he announces his top 5 today. I think the 5th is us or UNC.

@FarmerJayhawk Nike having KU pushed out before he gets to play for Self on the U18 team makes a lot of sense unfortunately.

Oh well. We’ll be more than fine with Silvio, JRE, and hopefully Hurt. Not to mention the possibility of Dante.

Did Carey announce his top 5?

EJ Montgomery to UK as expected.

EJ Montgomery to UK means one of their post players is gone imo. It could honestly be any of the posts still on the roster. But 40 minutes to feed 6 mouth doesn't seem like it is going to work. Honestly, I sort of expect two of them to be gone. None of those guys is going to be ok sitting.

@Kcmatt7 I mean Tai Wynyard is absolutely gone. Were you thinking another as well?

@BShark Yea I never much considered him on the roster. After his hole body guard thing, he was never coming back.

I mean, do you see SKJ or Gabriel wanting to come off the bench as Juniors? Or Richards come off the bench as a Sophomore? I don't think Montgomery committed to UK without the promise of starting. If PJ and Vanderbilt come back, one of them is riding the pine.

We are talking about 4 guys who were 5 star recruits coming off of the bench. I don't see how everyone stays in that scenario.

Unbelievable that we can't land bigs when we have guys like Landen and Jamari "in the way" when UK literally has 5 guys with real talent and NBA potential on the roster.

@Kcmatt7 Yeah you would think these kids want to play. PJ probably stays in the draft, and maybe another defection.

Illinois got Andres Feliz. Top JUCO PG. Brad has a full platoon coming in.

@BShark He is a good coach. And I expect him to get Illinois turned around. They just need to let him purge the roster first. It was a shit roster he took over. I would be two year from now, the Illini will be happy with that hire.

Of course he would have to be there two years from now lol.

I was impressed with Underwood at OSU. Wish he was still in the Big12, but the guy OSU hired seems to have Bill’s blessing (2 gifted w’s imho) and isn’t too shabby so far.

Kcmatt7 said:

@BShark He is a good coach. And I expect him to get Illinois turned around. They just need to let him purge the roster first. It was a shit roster he took over. I would be two year from now, the Illini will be happy with that hire.

Of course he would have to be there two years from now lol.

Yeah the Illini fanbase is insane.

Frazier and Nichols are solid players coming back.
I like a lot of the pieces he has added. Dosunmu we all know as he was in the next recruitment tier for KU this year. Jones is a very athletic wing with enormous potential, he should contribute defensively right away. I like the post player they got from Georgia (THE COUNTRY) but he will need time to season/develop. Feliz is a much needed additional ball handler. Haven't seen enough of their other two recruits to comment on them.

@Kcmatt7

Gabriel was coming off the bench for them this year, so I don't see that being an issue for him next year.

Wynward was suspended last year anyway, and had discussed transferring, so he was on his way out as well. Washington is leaving. That leaves SKJ and Vanderbilt (got hurt, so he's probably coming back), plus Richards, Gabriel and Montgomery. They also have Jemarl Baker coming in (missed the whole season with injury). He should help with their shooting issues. UK has the advantage that Calipari has shown that even guys coming off the bench can get drafted, so guys aren't going to be as worried about starting as they would other places.

dylans said:

I was impressed with Underwood at OSU. Wish he was still in the Big12, but the guy OSU hired seems to have Bill’s blessing (2 gifted w’s imho) and isn’t too shabby so far.

Next year is going to be very rough for both the Okie schools. If Bill loses to OSU next year I'll be fully convinced LOL.

@justanotherfan It's a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy though. If Self had a completely stacked roster like Cal he would have bench players drafted more often too.

@justanotherfan

Wynyard was injured (back) and out for the year and got suspended on top of that. Kid seems to be a walking headache and not worth the aggravation.

@BShark

Self has had McDs AA's come off the bench for him (or barely play). That's what hurts a kid coming to KU. Look at a guy like Sam Cunliffe. He's not a guy that was in line to be drafted by the NBA, but he played 74 total minutes this season. Once Self decides he's not going to play you, you just don't see the floor. And that's on a team that was desperate for depth. And Cunliffe still couldn't get off the bench even when this team was struggling.

If you're a recruit and you see that, it makes you think twice. That's Self's style. He's going to cut his rotation down and play those seven or eight guys. Calipari will keep a larger rotation, and will play nine or ten guys, so it's easier for him to stack a roster. KU has a pretty loaded roster next year, but I guarantee that only eight of those guys see any kind of time. That makes it less attractive for more guys to come, particularly if you know that there are veterans in front of you, since Self has a tendency to go to those guys.

Kcmatt7 said:

EJ Montgomery to UK means one of their post players is gone imo. It could honestly be any of the posts still on the roster. But 40 minutes to feed 6 mouth doesn't seem like it is going to work. Honestly, I sort of expect two of them to be gone. None of those guys is going to be ok sitting.

I agree there. Someone is going. Washington is going through the process with a bum thumb I believe. Needs surgery but they are putting off until after combine. Have heard Gabriel could leave to pursue pro contract somewhere. Vanderbilt is a wildcard. Would seem Cal recruited over him with EJ

@justanotherfan I just don't see PJ leaving. He is a skinny 6'7 PF that can't stretch the floor at all and is a liability defensively. I just am not seeing the NBA intrigue. If he doesn't leave, I just don't see how Cal can keep 6 guys happy. No way no how. Especially when 2 of them are Juniors. Gabriel isn't going to want to come off of the bench for his entire career. He was a top 15 recruit. Same for SKJ, he was a top 25 recruit. Vanderbilt is not coming off of the bench or playing fewer than 25 minutes without becoming a lockerroom disaster. Richards camp isn't happy I'm sure. He went from a projected lottery pick to the last Big off of the bench at the end of the season. I don't know what they are thinking, but I am sure that they won't be happy playing only 14 mpg again.

At the very least, PJ is leaving you may be right. But he isn't on a single mock draft I have seen. If he comes back, you are telling me that you really believe Cal will be able to keep 6 top post recruits happy on the same roster with only 40 minutes to split?

Should also be noted that Montgomery can slide up a position and play the 3 a bit (can shoot and handle), so that unclogs the interior some because if you only have 4.5 guys, that gives you more options.

@justanotherfan No he cannot.

Is nobody curious how Bryce Drew went from Valpo to Vandy and somehow turned himself into a top 5 recruiter after two not great years? I just saw he was in play with Montgomery at the end still. If he pulls the Langford coup, my goodness. Just haven't seen anything like it.

@justanotherfan Cunliffe was severely overrated (money helps) and Hurley was done with his act. Sometimes, it's not the coach.

That said Cunliffe is saying the right things now. He's been terrible in games obviously, and I've seen it mentioned that he isn't any better in practice.

I'll be very interested to see if he toughs it out at KU. He, like Preston, has been a kid that quits and moves on when the going gets tough.

@justanotherfan I do agree with your overall point about Self's playing rotations though.

Kcmatt7 said:

@justanotherfan No he cannot.

Cal is dumb enough to play that big though, he's done it before.

Wonder if UK is going back to "platoons?"

@FarmerJayhawk lmao

@BShark I sure hope he's that dumb. Best way to ruin a team with the perimeter play they potentially have would be to not use it lol.

He is the biggest f-ing hypocrite too. He would do it and then play at a pace slower than ever after just this year talking about how he hates when teams play slow.

@BShark

Preston was never going to play at KU, so it is no surprise that he left. That's not a case of the going getting tough. That's a case of coming to the end of the road.

As for Cunliffe, I wouldn't say he's been terrible. I would say he's been uneven, but hasn't played enough to really grade out. Now I have not been at practice, so I trust if other people say he hasn't been good in practice, he hasn't been good. Cunliffe had a five game stretch where he played 20 minutes, 9 minutes, DNP, 9 minutes, 11 minutes. That's 49 of the 74 minutes he played all season in five games (including a DNP). In that stretch he shot 9-19, had 22 points, 5 rebounds, 3 assists, a steal and two turnovers. Those are not great numbers, but they are not so bad as to be unplayable. Cunliffe didn't play more than six minutes in a game after that, and, after playing in the next two games, never played in back to back games after that. It's basically impossible to evaluate a player when they play that little.

I wouldn't fault Cunliffe if he were to transfer out. He didn't play last year (wasn't really given much of an opportunity) and he likely won't play next year. Dropping down to Division 2 would give him an opportunity to prove himself and have a chance for a pro career overseas.

@justanotherfan Wasn't referring to KU with Preston. The kid was at 3 or 4 different high schools, I forget the total. Preston's mom is pretty much psychotic though, so it's hard to fault him too much.

I really like Cunliffe's potential. As a solid role player in the future. Kind of put him there with Moore. I hope he finishes college here and never starts and is just a really solid sub for two years. He needs to redshirt this season though if Ochai isn't at least.

@Kcmatt7 Yeah if Cunliffe sticks around and another guard is added (likely) that is 7 guards/wings not even counting KJ. That screams someone should redshirt. If Cunliffe really wants to stick around he could be a candidate.

Kcmatt7 said:

Is nobody curious how Bryce Drew went from Valpo to Vandy and somehow turned himself into a top 5 recruiter after two not great years? I just saw he was in play with Montgomery at the end still. If he pulls the Langford coup, my goodness. Just haven't seen anything like it.

It definitely raises suspicion.

Just noticed on Twitter, Jalen Romande Green at 4:40 PDT “blessed to receive an offer from the University of Kansas.” 2020 shooting guard. 6’5” SG out of Fresno CA.

I don't know whether either of these developments will ultimately make the difference but I have been seeing and hearing that UConn's new assistant coach has a good relationship with Precious Achiuwa and they are pushing for him hard.

Another one, Matthew Hurt. With Mike Miller being hired at Memphis who has a relationship with Matthew and his father they could be getting into his recruitment

@BeddieKU23 I think KU will prioritize Hurt over Achiuwa. I'm hopeful that Hurt commits early. JRE too actually.

@BShark it would be very telling if both of them committed early. Would make me think both Lawsons are here for one season only.

@Kcmatt7 I think KJ sticks around.

Dedric and Doke will be gone. That's two spots. Just Duke that shit. Hurt, JRE, Silvio, McCormack, KJ, Mitch...

BShark said:

@BeddieKU23 I think KU will prioritize Hurt over Achiuwa. I'm hopeful that Hurt commits early. JRE too actually.

tough choosing. Hurt might be the better College Player especially since he might stay more then a year. Achiuwa is that prototype forward for the NBA.. No way he's staying more then 1, way too good

I realize I'm probably in a minority and I sure hope I'm wrong but the thing is with this one Hurt , I just get this weird feeling we won't end up landing him. I mean I really don't have much if anything really to back it up , I mean KU is sounding like we are doing all the right things with him - really on him hard and everything it's just for some reason I just don't get that feel like I have with some others from the past such as Grimes & Dotson - even when Dotson's recruitment became a hot thing/rumor saying oh look out for Florida - through that I still though Dotson was ours.

With Hurt I'm just getting that opposite feeling for some reason - -might come down to the end but I think two things with him - -He either just ends up wanting to stay in State to strongly and play for Minnesota -or as like what has just been mentioned with the New addition at Memphis and the connection he has with Hurt and his dad - may land in Memphis. - -Yet I don't think so , - -my gut feel right now tells me - -he stays home , like I said nothing really solid as to why - just gut feeling , same feeling as like when a woman knows she is pregnant lol I reckon - hope I'm wrong - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer73

I highly doubt he stays home. His brother is decent but the Hurt family knows Matthew is on a different trajectory.

Self is after this one like a hawk. Duke will be in it until the end as well and we haven't won many battles with them H2H. I consider them the biggest threat, however Duke people don't think he's a likely commit at this point either.

Indiana & UNC are also recruiting him as priorities. Memphis as you mentioned could join this. Kentucky offered late but they are kicking the tires.

KU just has to keep consistent and keep on it. This one doesn't feel like its ending anytime soon

@BeddieKU23 Good points. Like I said I REALLY don't have anything to back my thoughts really other then just this certain feel , I actually think like you mentioned that OL Roy might be more of a factor also with him then Duke on this one - and I know he is one of our top targets hope it turns out for us. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@BeddieKU23 JRE is a multi year guy, barring a phenomenal season right?

jayballer73 said:

@BeddieKU23 Good points. Like I said I REALLY don't have anything to back my thoughts really other then just this certain feel , I actually think like you mentioned that OL Roy might be more of a factor also with him then Duke on this one - and I know he is one of our top targets hope it turns out for us. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

I think UNC is definitely a factor as well.

I expect this recruitment to have some twists- like the Memphis thing now. Penny has some momentum until he loses games (LOL).

The general consensus is that KU leads and certainly has put in miles already with him. We also stand to have a starting spot for him. I'm feeling pretty good with him right now

Kcmatt7 said:

@BeddieKU23 JRE is a multi year guy, barring a phenomenal season right?

I'll have to watch JRE this summer but I always thought he was a 3-4 year guy. I don't think he'll rise in rankings, probably end in the 30's.. Right in the wheelhouse for 3-4 contributor

BeddieKU23 said:

BShark said:

@BeddieKU23 I think KU will prioritize Hurt over Achiuwa. I'm hopeful that Hurt commits early. JRE too actually.

tough choosing. Hurt might be the better College Player especially since he might stay more then a year. Achiuwa is that prototype forward for the NBA.. No way he's staying more then 1, way too good

If Hurt is willing to stay 2 years it's a no brainer imo. His parents seem to be taking a very practical approach.

Duke people still don't think Hurt leaves the midwest. I'm hoping Self's time with Hurt this summer seals the deal.

@BeddieKU23 Hurt is starting anywhere he goes I think that is a non-issue. KU has visited him about a million times already and it's not even his SR year.

BShark said:

Duke people still don't think Hurt leaves the midwest. I'm hoping Self's time with Hurt this summer seals the deal.

Ding Ding we have a winner!

Hagans to UK in 2018.

@BeddieKU23 Feels like Self had been waiting to do this USA thing until the right time.

@BShark Maybe that post belongs here. But I don't see how Quade Green stays at this point.

@Kcmatt7 Firmly recruited over twice. Lol.

that's an oucharoni

I'd be pissed if I was Tyler Herro.

@BeddieKU23 Should have stayed at Wisconsin. Would have been a star there.

BShark said:

@BeddieKU23 Should have stayed at Wisconsin. Would have been a star there.

Haggans is really good but he can't shoot worth a beans. I still don't see Kentucky being great unless Vanderbilt and Washington return.

@BShark You would think that would have to be a big bonus for him on top of any others that might be there just like your friend and mind at Kentucky had lol

Just looking at the projected depth chart for the 2019 season:

• PG: Dotson - Jacobs - moore
• SG: Grimes/Top Recruit SG - Agbaji
• SF - Garrett - KJ
• PF - KJ - Hurt - JRE - Mitch
• C - De Sousa - Big Dave

I actually think that works PT wise as long as Hurt is ok getting his 25 minutes coming off of the bench. I am worried about the Lawson clan getting pissed if KJ doesn't start. Of course, that could all be solved if SDS is leaving early. I would love to know who the staff thinks is here after next season.

Kcmatt7 said:

Just looking at the projected depth chart for the 2019 season:

• PG: Dotson - Jacobs - moore
• SG: Grimes/Top Recruit SG - Agbaji
• SF - Garrett - KJ
• PF - KJ - Hurt - JRE - Mitch
• C - De Sousa - Big Dave

I actually think that works PT wise as long as Hurt is ok getting his 25 minutes coming off of the bench. I am worried about the Lawson clan getting pissed if KJ doesn't start. Of course, that could all be solved if SDS is leaving early. I would love to know who the staff thinks is here after next season.

It looks like we could have big man "good problems to have" next year as well. I think we get an impact wing and impact guard. NBA scouts seem to love Grimes. I think he impresses enough to go

As of now I'd say Grimes is the only guard likely to leave. Langford if he ends up here as well of course.

@BeddieKU23 Anyone remember that last year around this time we thought we might have problems dividing time among all our bigs? Dwight, the Stache, Dok, Mitch, Billy......let's just hope the sensation of deja vu stops here!

Kcmatt7 said:

Just looking at the projected depth chart for the 2019 season:

• PG: Dotson - Jacobs - moore
• SG: Grimes/Top Recruit SG - Agbaji
• SF - Garrett - KJ
• PF - KJ - Hurt - JRE - Mitch
• C - De Sousa - Big Dave

I actually think that works PT wise as long as Hurt is ok getting his 25 minutes coming off of the bench. I am worried about the Lawson clan getting pissed if KJ doesn't start. Of course, that could all be solved if SDS is leaving early. I would love to know who the staff thinks is here after next season.

Just my thoughts on this: - -I think Silvo is in for three years - -we are going to see a difference of night and day from this past year to this coming year for sure with him , I think your going to see him a lot more fluid loose - -better rim protector - better scorer, this past year he was still learning the system. When I seen them off on their way to San Antonio he walked past and this kid is a man - chiseled but I just think he will still be her tone his game for two more years yet.

Quentin is only going to be her for the year -absolute stud - -man some of his passing skills is crazy, and from the way they were talking Sunday the NBA People love him - decent shot from the outside - pure baller - Truly feel he is for sure a OAD

I think KJ would start over Garrett - -with Garrett continuing to play sufficient role in the back court but yet not start - unless he gets his shot to start to drop a lot more - lock down defender which is always a good spot to be in with Coach.

Have talked with some others and they seem to agree. I think the sleeper in this group and I think in the end we may have stole one here is Agbaji - I think this kid is going to surprise some people - his stock is just started to jump off the charts - really starting to come into his own. - I think the KU fans are going to really be surprised and really like this kid when it's all said and done

BeddieKU23 said:

It looks like we could have big man "good problems to have" next year as well. I think we get an impact wing and impact guard. NBA scouts seem to love Grimes. I think he impresses enough to go

I pretty much agree with all of this. Good thing is that Big Dave came in with a fantastic mindset, and I think that is huge as far as keeping everyone happy.

I do think it will be hard to recruit a wing prospect with Junior Garrett here. I really think he might be an AA candidate that year. But if Garrett has a disappointing Sophomore year, I definitely could see it.

Good problems to have.

@jayballer73 Garrett might start next year, let alone two years from now.

@BShark Guess we will see - -but whoever starts sure glad it's a situation for us to be in - with depth unlike this year when we were struggling to have enough players and having to worry about injuries/fouls and such. -- -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Just curious - how many here think that we are still seriously looking that strongly at Chandler Lawson? I myself think we have backed off. - -Maybe a combination of things - -with Penny now being at Memphis plus on top of that is Chandler really that much of an necessity now? - Would he fit? with what we will have I think he would be on of the guys that would really have to battle for playing time - What ya think? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

jayballer73 said:

Just curious - how many here think that we are still seriously looking that strongly at Chandler Lawson? I myself think we have backed off. - -Maybe a combination of things - -with Penny now being at Memphis plus on top of that is Chandler really that much of an necessity now? - Would he fit? with what we will have I think he would be on of the guys that would really have to battle for playing time - What ya think? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Heard he was done deal to Memphis

Fine with me honestly. Lawson's scare me. Dedric was worth the risk as a proven commodity. But I've been waiting for it to blow up in our faces since they got here.

I don't see Garrett starting unless he can really improve his outside shooting stroke. It's difficult to build lineups around a wing guy that can't shoot.

@justanotherfan what percentage do you think he needs to get to? I really don't think he is that far away from being a competent shooter. I felt the majority of his problem was he wanted to defer to the other guys on the court so when he was so wide open that he HAD to shoot it he was nervous or uncomfortable or out of rhythm.

If he made 4 more threes this year he would have shot .355. I would be fine with that. As long as his 2pt% stayed up around .550 as well.

@Kcmatt7

He needs to be at about 33%. The problem with Garrett is that the eye test suggests he's a poor shooter. When he missed, he often missed badly. It suggests that he needs quite a bit of work to get where he needs to be to be effective. Add to that the fact that Garrett was often left completely open from three and still shot poorly. That means he was getting A+ looks and still couldn't crack even 30%. He's further away than just having 3 or 4 shots that missed go in.

@justanotherfan "The problem with Garrett is that the eye test suggests he’s a poor shooter."

I was hoping that perhaps an eye test would explain why some of those shots were so so bad. Like Charlie Sheen in Major League !

Reading rumors about Carey reclassifying to 2018. Somehow Duke pulled the same shit with Bagley last summer.

Kcmatt7 said:

Reading rumors about Carey reclassifying to 2018. Somehow Duke pulled the same shit with Bagley last summer.

He’s not going to. He’s young for his class (born in 01) so reclassifying won’t get him to the NBA sooner. He’s not eligible for the draft until 2020.

Couple nuggets from another place (Indiana).

On the Rome Langford front, a piece of chatter. This is just chatter so please keep it in that category. After the Jordan Brand game, Darius Garland told a friend of mine he's not nearly as confident in Langford joining him at Vandy as he was a couple months ago.

• Expect IU to have an in-home visit with five-star 2019 forward Matthew Hurt during this upcoming recruiting period

@BeddieKU23 This makes sense. I think the allure of the "superclass" at Vandy is fading. Vandy is going to be a lot better but not in the same zip code as Florida and UK. Even Auburn if Wiley comes back. All the recent buzz has been KU vs. IU.

Kcmatt7 said:

Fine with me honestly. Lawson's scare me. Dedric was worth the risk as a proven commodity. But I've been waiting for it to blow up in our faces since they got here.

KU legit has better options in 2019 than Chandler Lawson. If he wants to come here, that's fine but I think he ends up in Memphis.

FarmerJayhawk said:

Kcmatt7 said:

Reading rumors about Carey reclassifying to 2018. Somehow Duke pulled the same shit with Bagley last summer.

He’s not going to. He’s young for his class (born in 01) so reclassifying won’t get him to the NBA sooner. He’s not eligible for the draft until 2020.

Ah. Yeah no way he wants to spend 2 years in college.

@BeddieKU23 I wouldn't doubt that - I don't think I'll lose any sleep on it. - -ROCKCHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Hello everyone!! I'm new in here my buddy Gerry pointed me in this direction excited to talk Kansas Jayhawk basketball with other smart fans

ReggieKansas said:

Hello everyone!! I'm new in here my buddy Gerry pointed me in this direction excited to talk Kansas Jayhawk basketball with other smart fans

This is my ol Buddy- - he loves KU basketball out of California - hope you all welcome him aboard. - -Told him have really good discussions here and a lot of knowledgible people. - Told him this was a great room - lots of topics. - Welcome buddy I think you like it here. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

ReggieKansas said:

Hello everyone!! I'm new in here my buddy Gerry pointed me in this direction excited to talk Kansas Jayhawk basketball with other smart fans

Welcome to the board!

Sounds like KU is kicking the tires on top 5 big man Charles Bassey. I'm sure they're treading carefully.

FarmerJayhawk said:

Sounds like KU is kicking the tires on top 5 big man Charles Bassey. I'm sure they're treading carefully.

As weird as it is, isn't he pretty much a WKU lock?

@ReggieKansas Welcome! I wish there was better news today.

BShark said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

Sounds like KU is kicking the tires on top 5 big man Charles Bassey. I'm sure they're treading carefully.

As weird as it is, isn't he pretty much a WKU lock?

Not a lock by any stretch. Programs are just doing their due diligence on him since there are possible red flags with his amateurism. Folks tend to steer clear of Rick Stansbury in recruiting.

Red Flags, amateurism, Rick Stansbury. Boy I hope we kick our tires somewhere else.

BeddieKU23 said:

Red Flags, amateurism, Rick Stansbury. Boy I hope we kick our tires somewhere else.

Agree. Go after clean(er) targets.

@BShark

I went to check out the ole Marylannder board for giggles. Surprisingly not as salty as I remember them over other situations involving KU. The headline was juicy.

Surprisingly they seemed more pissed they couldn't cheat better to get Silvio. Or pissed UA couldn't pony up more dough

@BeddieKU23 Was damn funny!

Well I know that Ochai Agbaji is signing his LOI tonight so looks like he is sticking around. Has anyone heard anything from the other three's camps about when they are signing their LOI - or if they might be possibly be re-considering? - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

jayballer73 said:

Well I know that Ochai Agbaji is signing his LOI tonight so looks like he is sticking around. Has anyone heard anything from the other three's camps about when they are signing their LOI - or if they might be possibly be re-considering? - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

All will be fine. These kids mostly committed when KU's name was being slung around in the initial reports. Have no reason to believe they are not solid for KU still.

@BShark Thanks , I sure hope not - you know Coach Self hasn't been named in any of this & the University it'self hasn't yet either - So I agree you wouldn't think it would have any influence - but with 18 yr olds - you just never now, or they have some antsy pants mama that is always paranoid - hoping for the best.- I mean I think that the Romeo battle is over now, I think this thing is JUST ENOUGH to push him away but if we can stay solid with the rest - -we will be fine. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LON GBABY

jayballer73 said:

Well I know that Ochai Agbaji is signing his LOI tonight so looks like he is sticking around. Has anyone heard anything from the other three's camps about when they are signing their LOI - or if they might be possibly be re-considering? - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

The other 3 signed in the fall

@BeddieKU23 True but KU would let them out of the LOI if they wanted to. No reason to believe they do though.

@BeddieKU23 Oh they did? - see that's another thing about getting old - my memory isn't the best - I couldn't remember if they actually signed or just verbaled

Some Nike Summit Measurements from KU prospects/signee's

World Team-

N'Faly Dante 6'11, 9' 2.5 Standing Reach, 7'5 Wingspan

Josh Green 6'5.5, 8' 7 Standing Reach, 6'10 Wingspan

Both of these guys won't be in College long if at all.

Haven't seen the USA team measures out yet

Add Charles Bassey to that list as well. He’s rumored to be reclassifying to 2018. KU will be involved if Doke goes pro. 6’11 235 with a 7’3 wingspan. Terrific prospect.

FarmerJayhawk said:

Add Charles Bassey to that list as well. He’s rumored to be reclassifying to 2018. KU will be involved if Doke goes pro. 6’11 235 with a 7’3 wingspan. Terrific prospect.

Looks like he got some more WKU cb picks rolling in. I hope Doke stays, as good as Bassey is.

BShark said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

Add Charles Bassey to that list as well. He’s rumored to be reclassifying to 2018. KU will be involved if Doke goes pro. 6’11 235 with a 7’3 wingspan. Terrific prospect.

Looks like he got some more WKU cb picks rolling in. I hope Doke stays, as good as Bassey is.

He can be swayed if there’s a starting spot available in not CUSA. Also assuming he gets cleared.

2019 post player Francis Okoro will be taking some standardized tests. If he gets the needed scores he will reclass and join Illinois for the 18 class.

BShark said:

2019 post player Francis Okoro will be taking some standardized tests. If he gets the needed scores he will reclass and join Illinois for the 18 class.

Lol. They do need anything

BeddieKU23 said:

BShark said:

2019 post player Francis Okoro will be taking some standardized tests. If he gets the needed scores he will reclass and join Illinois for the 18 class.

Lol. They do need anything

If they add Okoro they will have as many commits in this class as KU played in the regular rotation last season.

https://247sports.com/Player/Omar-Thielemans-46054652 ↗

Arizona out here taking unranked kids.

Should be a 4* based on talent though.

His body is already college ready. Looks like a goo pickup actually.

Kcmatt7 said:

His body is already college ready. Looks like a goo pickup actually.

Yeah I made sure to add that he should be a 4*. Kinda a Svi situation. It's fun to shit on Zona though.

Looks decent. Arizona needs anything.

@justanotherfan Marcus had a bad shooting year from the 3 point line. He still shot 55% from inside the perimeter. He will improve both his 3 point and his free throw shooting. He is too conscientious a player not to work on his game. These kids are young and growing their games. Garrett isn't the first freshman we thought couldn't shoot. Frank Mason shot 32% from 3 his freshman year, and that worked out pretty good.

Akinjo to Georgetown.

Memphis lands Antwann Jones (top 100 SG) that was previously SIGNED with A&M and former KSU reject Isaiah Maurice.

BShark said:

Akinjo to Georgetown.

Memphis lands Antwann Jones (top 100 SG) that was previously SIGNED with A&M and former KSU reject Isaiah Maurice.

Antwann Jones on his 90th school in the last 3 months. Wow that's just crazy

Maurice is a bad apple. Memphis just filling bodies especially since their top 5 players coming back are Seniors

Akinjo to Georgetown made sense after he canceled his Arizona trip

Just like that Thielemans ranked just outside the Top 100 (#103) for Arizona

Tyler Harris to Memphis as well

TJ Moss to South Carolina

In actual 2019 news, OSU adds the Boone twins from Tulsa. I don't think they have profiles on Rivals, ESPN or 247 but they can hoop. Frank Haith was after them hard of course. Good to see they mad a smarter decision.

@BeddieKU23 Yeah I wouldn't go anywhere near Jones. What's the deal with Maurice? I assumed Bruce gave him the axe because he couldn't play.

Not surprising the AZ commit got ranked. The same thing would happen if he picked UK, Duke, KU etc...

BShark said:

@BeddieKU23 Yeah I wouldn't go anywhere near Jones. What's the deal with Maurice? I assumed Bruce gave him the axe because he couldn't play.

Not surprising the AZ commit got ranked. The same thing would happen if he picked UK, Duke, KU etc...

Maurice is a headcase. I don't see him lasting at Memphis either.

Memphis filled its roster awful quick

@BeddieKU23 Yeah I don't think that was ever in doubt. Knew Penny would get kids. Now can he coach them into a cohesive team is another story...

Ground breaking VIP stuff on 247 on Chandler Lawson. He really likes KU and Memphis, and they will likely be his final 2.

@KUSTEVE

I wholeheartedly agree that Marcus will work on his game. However, I am not as certain that he will become a knockdown perimeter shooter. I am hoping he becomes a solid shooter that can keep the defense honest.

@justanotherfan

I believe Garret has a good shooting form but he just did not have the repetitions required to develop a consistent 3 point shot, in great part because it really was not critical considering how many other shooters KU had.

I believe that he will eventually get to 35% from 3.

Yeah I think he can get in the low 30s which is livable.

@JayHawkFanToo , @BShark

Agreed. Given his skillset, if he can shoot 33%, he is certainly playable with his defense, ballhandling, rebounding, etc.

It's the below 30% that makes it hard because you don't have to guard him. He doesn't have to be 40%, but he does have to get where you guys have outlined.

Sounds like he's been playing point forward for Sunrise per his coach.

3 top 100 HS players in the state of KS in the same year?!? Cool. Hope JRE bleeds crimson and blue. Really hope Harvey gets his stuff taken care of. Hall gonna ball at KU? The 6’11” guy from Wichita is gonna be a load for someone to handle a few years from now too.

@dylans sure seems like Sunrise has cranked it up a notch. And I'm not mad about it.

@dylans @Kcmatt7

Unusual for Kansas to have even one top 100 prospect let alone three.:thumbsup:

Looks like Sunrise is becoming a player in the basketball prep school world. I believe Buddy Hield went there.

dylans said:

3 top 100 HS players in the state of KS in the same year?!? Cool. Hope JRE bleeds crimson and blue. Really hope Harvey gets his stuff taken care of. Hall gonna ball at KU? The 6’11” guy from Wichita is gonna be a load for someone to handle a few years from now too.

Yeah not worried about JRE.

Hall isn't really a KS kid like JRE or Harvey. Born in CA and spent a lot of his childhood in Illinois too.

Picked up a CB pick for RJ Hampton.

So Matt can't say much but he did let me know that the already committed player is a player that KU hasn't been publicly mentioned/linked with before. Interesting.

@BShark I'm not following. We have a commit for 2018 or 2019?

@BShark This feels like Matt making up info so people stay off his back for the next two weeks waiting on the Romeo decision.

Kcmatt7 said:

@BShark This feels like Matt making up info so people stay off his back for the next two weeks waiting on the Romeo decision.

I would think that if I hadn't seen this rumor elsewhere before Matt.

If we do have a commit, wonder why they haven't announced it.

@KUSTEVE nah, this is supposedly a guy that could be a fallback option for KU if we miss on Langford. This mystery person has already committed elsewhere but not signed. If true, it would actually explain why KU hasn't been chasing anyone else.

RockkChalkk said:

@KUSTEVE nah, this is a guy that could be a fallback option for KU if we miss on Langford. Supposedly he has already committed elsewhere but not signed.

Correct. I believe it is all but done if Romeo goes elsewhere. Of course the name can't be mentioned now or it could screw the kid out of his current situation.

@BShark

Is it supposed to be a ranked player, say top 30-50 or just a program player with potential? Isn’t talking to a committed player frowned upon? I remember Calipari getting a lot of flack for having Terrence Jones decommit fro Washington and sign with UK immediately. I believe he also got Enes Kanter who had also committed to Washington the same year.

@BShark

Did Kevin Porter sign an LOI with USC?

@BeddieKU23 Yes, in November.

@BShark

Boy Matt is really making us think with this one.

I can't figure this one out. Almost think its someone who signed in Nov

@BeddieKU23 Yeah I agree. Assuming they aren't signed could be incorrect. Schools will pretty much let kids out of their NLI.

@JayHawkFanToo I'll wait to pass any judgment on it until we see who it is if it happens.

I will guess it is a player that has not signed a LOI only a financial aid package since coaches cannot recruit players with signed LOIs.

Memphis and Louisville getting involved with Hurt. That recruitment is going to be a dog fight to the end. I sure hope he takes visits and commits early.

Kcmatt7 said:

Memphis and Louisville getting involved with Hurt. That recruitment is going to be a dog fight to the end. I sure hope he takes visits and commits early.

UCLA just visited him a couple days ago as well.

Consensus top 5 player, great fit for the modern game, seriously considering staying more than a year. Def going to be a knock down drag out.

For clarification, Memphis worries me because of Mike Miller's relationship with the Hurts.

I can't help but think this FBI cloud will really hurt us until it is over or it completely blows up and everyone else gets pulled in.

@Kcmatt7 nothing will happen major long as ku it's not directly implicated Sean Miller still has a job in Arizona and they have him actually on tape doing a lot of legal stuff

@ReggieKansas

1. Sean Miller is taking scraps right now because his entire recruiting class fell apart after the FBI probe.

2. I'll believe the tape when the DOJ actually uses it as evidence. There is no proof of that tape existing at the moment. Well, other than Miller not filing a lawsuit against ESPN for defamation.

He are the players ranked 25 - 65 that have not signed LOIs

(30) Shareef O'Neal - PF, UCLA, (31) Jordan Brown - C, unsigned, (35) Elijah Weaver - PG, USC, (37) Brandon Williams - PG, unsigned, (40) Khavon Moore - SF, Texas Tech, (41) Taeshon Cherry - PF, Arizona State, (55) Jairus Hamilton - SF, Boston College, (56) Courtney Ramey - PG, unsigned

That's eight guys. I'm going to discount O'Neal and Brown right off the bat. O'Neal has already switched commitments once. Brown hasn't seriously considered any non-Pac 12 schools. Taeshon Cherry considered Texas A&M, but other than that, he's a California kid that considered west coast schools.

That leaves five guys - Weaver, Williams, Moore, Hamilton and Ramey.

Weaver is a big PG (6-5). He's from Florida and considered schools from all over the country (UConn, UVA, UCLA, Oklahoma State, Ohio State, NC State, Mizzou, etc.). He's currently committed to USC. He would be an interesting replacement for Langford. He's a lefty that is more of a pass first PG.

Williams is a 6-1 PG. Williams is more of a score first PG. He would be a bit of a duplicate of Charlie Moore on this roster. He's a good player, but I don't know that he makes sense on this roster with Moore and Dotson already in the fold.

Moore is a 6-8 SF that can do a bit of everything. He's not super athletic like some guys, but he's a very solid player in every aspect. However, he's committed to Texas Tech, and it is generally considered poor form to poach a committed recruit from a league rival. He's a nice player. I would guess with Smith leaving, Tech will be locking this signing down.

Hamilton is interesting. KU was pursuing him early, but backed off and went after other targets. He's a really good player. A bigger version of Agbaji in some ways (6-8, 220). Duke, UNC, Florida, Arizona and others were interested, but he ultimately picked Boston College. He's the type of player that might be interested in switching his offer, and missing on Langford would give KU an opening on the wing. He's at least a three year player. Probably a four year guy.

And finally Ramey. He's a 6-3 PG, but he could be considered a combo guard. He was linked to Mizzou, but hasn't signed. Louisville has started pursuing him again. He was HS teammates with Carte'Are Gordon (SLU commit). KU has never been connected to him, but he has been connected to both Texas and Oklahoma State. He's unsigned, so he could be in play.

If I had to guess, I would say Hamilton is the mystery man, although I have no insider information on that.

@Kcmatt7 right and like i said as of right now ku is in good shape unless more damming evidence come to light. I wouldnt worry about it remeber 50 schools were implicated

Maybe im alone in this but im not sold on matthew hurts game. I mean he shoots it well but hes not very explosive

@justanotherfan

Some good research FYI.

I think of the players you listed Ramey, Weaver and Cherry are the only three that KU hasn't had contact with.

Brandon Williams is announcing soon after his visit to Gonzaga, this is a Oregon/Zona battle. All the recent buzz is Oregon won him on his visit.

Hamilton's brother transferred into BC as well. I can't see him leaving that situation with family.

Ramey seems like the most open of all especially since he's not signed anywhere but it looks like Texas, Missouri, Oklahoma St & Louisville have the most attention from him. I don't think Ramey fits the need KU is looking for.

This makes me think this is a kid signed (LOI) with another program who doesn't want to risk his current position unless Langford goes to Indiana.

I also wouldn't be surprised if it was another big with the unknown situations surrounding Doke coming back and De Sousa being possibly ruled ineligible.

I would also assume it's someone the staff would view as an impact player in some way to compensate for what Langford would bring to the table. With our roster there really isn't a need for development type players. It's got to be someone that would have a chance to start.

Name I'll throw out- Jaylen Hoard, signed with Wake Forest early but I hear more and more grumblings. We recruited players in his HS area (Aaron Wiggins, Dotson, Ian Steere) among others.

@ReggieKansas

Your right he's not a quick fast twitch athlete. I wasn't as high on him last summer. His Jr film looks much improved though. Such a skilled player inside/out. His shooting numbers this year were rare for a player his size.

Well if you believe what has been said so far, it's a player that is committed so that automatically writes off Williams and Ramey.

@BeddieKU23 I'll do a cartwheel somehow if it's Hoard.

@BeddieKU23 tru and im not sure if hes a good ball handler, but he is a good player im just not sure hes the 5th best player in the country.

Hurt might not be able to win you a game by himself, but he would make everyone else on the floor better the entire time he is on the court. He should stretch the floor, pass well and rebound effectively. He is the type of player that has the quietest 12 ppg, 3 assists, 2 blocks and 7 rebounds you've ever seen. But then he also leads the team in +/-

Hurt is my top want among players I think KU has a real shot at.

Matthew Hurt is a really skilled guy, but as @ReggieKansas and @BeddieKU23 say, he's not a great athlete. I wish he were a bit bigger. He's basically a slightly taller Mitch Lightfoot with ball handling ability. I'd even say Mitch is probably the better athlete of the two. He's not a statue, but he isn't a mobile guy. He can't punish you with his strength.

All of his plays are skill plays, so it's hard to guess how that translates as the athleticism increases. He's a really good shooter and a skilled passer. He could be an incredible four year player. He could also be a complete bust. I wish I could say for sure whether his high skill and BBall IQ would translate.

My estimation is his ceiling is Perry Ellis - starts slow his first year, but turns into a really, really good four year player. His floor is that he doesn't get strong enough to handle the interior and becomes a 6-9 offense only wing off the bench. You don't not recruit that guy. You just have to recruit around him.

BShark said:

@BeddieKU23 I'll do a cartwheel somehow if it's Hoard.

I'll do backflips somehow as well.

@ReggieKansas

I think #5 is probably correct for him. He's got such a high skill level. From what I've seen he looks like a capable ball handler especially for his size. As @BShark mentioned this could be a player that plays multiple years in College which is the real benefit of possibly getting him. He'll be good as a freshman but could be a Big-12 POY/All American type as a Soph. Lofty praise I know but guys his size with that shooting/skill level don't come around every class

I expect he'll have a big AAU year and keep reinforcing his lofty ranking

@justanotherfan my big question is can he get 2 the rim off the bounce against better athletes

@Kcmatt7 i wanna see him play againdt the rest of the top talent next year to get a real gage of what he can do

@justanotherfan i like the lightfoot comparison

He is worlds better than Lightfoot.

BeddieKU23 said:

BShark said:

@BeddieKU23 I'll do a cartwheel somehow if it's Hoard.

I'll do backflips somehow as well.

Old guys doing backflips and cartwheels, gonna be difficult. :joy:

@BShark in terms of comparable size and athleticism it's pretty close obviously Matthew is a better all-around player

I'd be interested in seeing them side by side. I'm not convinced Mitch is the 6'8'' he is listed at.

I would say there is a chance Mitch is more athletic but his offensive game is terrible so it doesn't really matter. You can easily get away with playing Hurt at C to mask his possible defensive issues.

@BShark

Worth an injury or two, its for a good cause

@ReggieKansas He is not even close to Mitch a lot more talented, like Bshark said light years difference - come on Reggie you just focus on having my steak ready let us focus on the recruiting lmao. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

To Mitch's credit he was serviceable on the court this year. FR year was um...we just won't talk about his FR advanced offensive stats since he only played 100 minutes.

guys I realize it's more likely then not - -and by a large amount probably - probably just a lot of unfounded BS BUT I'm seeing more and more from different places that Romeo might quite possibly pull a Harrison Barnes - - skpe his school.

My main question is -where and how do these kind of things get started? - -I mean I see it once and just laugh - - see it different place and blow it off with a little less conviction - -but I'm seeing it multiple - - multiple times. - How would anyone ever know that? - where they getting this from? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

You mean do his announcement on skype? I say let the kids have fun.

@BShark I think he means where are people finding that info out?

Hurt is better than Mitch Lightfoot, yes. But let's pump the brakes for a second. Mitch was a darn good player coming out of HS, and has been a solid option at KU. Hurt has more upside than Mitch because he's more skilled, but he also has a lower floor because Mitch is probably the better athlete of the two, although I am basing that purely off highlights, not any measurables.

Hurt's upside (All-Conference, Second or Third Team All American) is much higher because I could see him coming in and being an inside out scoring option capable of averaging 15+ points on a good team, along with 6 or 7 rebounds and 3 or 4 assists. I don't know how good he would be defensively, but I can see the makings of a very good collegiate player on the offensive end with the BBIQ to be a passable defender once he understands the system and responsibilities.

Hurt's floor (bench shooter substitution in specific lineups) is lower than Mitch's because Hurt may not be as good a defender as Mitch has become. If Hurt can't defend, I could see a scenario where he just can't stay on the floor and he never gets more than sporadic minutes. He may still have the occasional game where he goes for 16 or 20 because of his shooting ability, but he might not develop that way.

The thing is, I can't even tell you which of those scenarios is more likely. Maybe he arrives on campus, gets stronger and is All Conference as a sophomore. Maybe he never adds the weight, struggles with his shot and his confidence, and ends up transferring after a season. Perhaps he lands somewhere in between.

I will be watching his summer very closely to see how he handles his AAU action, and how he does up against some of the springier athletes in the class. If he holds his own defensively against them, that will change his upside. If he starts getting blown away, that will be a big red flag.

FWIW... I do not think Langford is announcing via Skype. I think that rumor started from someone on another board making a joke, and people thought he was serious.

Also I am brand new to this board. It looks like there is a lot of information and conversation. I hope to add to that!

@Woodrow Welcome!

I hope he does though. I actually think that's pretty sweet.

BShark said:

You mean do his announcement on skype? I say let the kids have fun.

Ya him skyping his announcement to the Coach. - Like Harrison Barnes did in Ames - all those Iowa State people at his high school and then he skpes out his announcement to Coach Williams

@Kcmatt7 well he is right about him skyping his announcement to the Coach - BUT your right too. - Wonder where these people are getting this stuff at saying that's what they are hearing - I'm seeing more and more saying they are hearing he is going to skpe

Woodrow said:

FWIW... I do not think Langford is announcing via Skype. I think that rumor started from someone on another board making a joke, and people thought he was serious.

Also I am brand new to this board. It looks like there is a lot of information and conversation. I hope to add to that!

Welcome aboard - -always good to get new blood - -new thought - -theories - always good to hear others 2 cents worth here/ - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@justanotherfan Mitch's floor is probably not playing at all. Which we might see next year depending on how the roster shakes out.

We will see on Hurt. It's still early. At this time I believe Silvio was top 5 in his class as well.

Everyone is on Hurt and he looks to me like KU's top target. KU has a lot of good options at the 4 in 19 but I like Hurt's skill level a lot.

In terms of athleticism and potential defense, Achiuwa would be the best bet.

I like JRE and Malik Hall long term but I don't think either is high impact year one.

@BShark JRE = Perry 2.0 basically right?

Kcmatt7 said:

@BShark JRE = Perry 2.0 basically right?

Taller, better rebounder, a bit less skilled.

Kcmatt7 said:

@BShark JRE = Perry 2.0 basically right?

He’ll be quite the luxury as a bench guy. I don’t think he’ll be any better than our 4th big, assuming Silvio and Dave are still at KU.

I'm ok with that. I just want him to be able to stretch the floor.

Kcmatt7 said:

I'm ok with that. I just want him to be able to stretch the floor.

He’ll get there. It’s not really his game yet but has the tools. He is a pretty good driver like Perry. Underrated handle.

FarmerJayhawk said:

Kcmatt7 said:

@BShark JRE = Perry 2.0 basically right?

He’ll be quite the luxury as a bench guy. I don’t think he’ll be any better than our 4th big, assuming Silvio and Dave are still at KU.

I've written Silvio off at this point. If he plays I take it as a bonus.

Still Dave as a SO, Mitch in his 4th year and likely KJ in his 5th year removed from HS will all be guys JRE would have to try to supplant.

Wouldn't it be something to see KJ come out and be a freak this year? I feel like living in your brother's shadow would be motivation enough to bust his ass.

Side note: I just saw that Dedric had like 12% body fat at the combine. I can only imagine how much more explosive he will be after a year with Hudy. I kind of expect the same bump from KJ though. I doubt they were getting the best of the best at Memphis.

@Kcmatt7 Dedric looked like an old butter ball that knows how to hoop that you see at the rec when he was at Memphis. Gotta think Hudy was a factor to picking KU.

@BShark I sure hope so. I just didn't realize it. Gosh dang he is going to be fun to watch.

@Kcmatt7

For reference

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Certainly don’t look like gladiators

@BShark Ya personally just me - -I too think more likely then not when it is all said and done - - Silvio has played his last minutes for us and that's a shame - Could be wrong - -have been wrong before - but just think he is finished. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@Kcmatt7 Wished all I had was 12% body fat lmao - -reverse that and you might be close 21 % - -na I'm just messin with ya lol. -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer73 Lol don't we all...

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@BShark On video??

FarmerJayhawk said:

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Yeah I don't like this one bit...

Barney said:

@BShark On video??

What?

BShark said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

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Yeah I don't like this one bit...

I'm totally fine with Self going and meeting with him and doing due diligence. If they find sufficient red flags we won't keep recruiting him. They must think he's good to go if we're recruiting him now.

@BShark the cartwheel & backflips.

Barney said:

@BShark the cartwheel & backflips.

:joy:

I don't think I'm at risk of having to do it.

@BShark Was it Raef or Collison that did a cartwheel dunk at the McD contest?

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Sign him up!

Another aspect of this move I like is it unclutters 2020 a bit. Hampton is for sure OAD and KU has a lot of strong connections to guards in the 20 class.

Can't complain if he moves to 19.

BeddieKU23 said:

Can't complain if he moves to 19.

I think it's hugely in KU's favor. It's basically Duke vs KU and Duke has kids slated for 19 already. Plus younger Jones should still be there.

Ryan seems to think if RJ joins 19 and picks KU Markese would open it back up. Not an earth shattering statement to make given RJ is a Top 10 player in whatever class he decides on but one of the more vocal KU supporters in recent memory simply might be over-recruited..

@BeddieKU23 If he thought he was going to come here and start year 1, or even get a ton of PT, it might be best he goes somewhere else anyways.

If he thinks he can come in here and be an impact player for the last 3 of his 4 years, than I think KU is the place for him.

BeddieKU23 said:

Ryan seems to think if RJ joins 19 and picks KU Markese would open it back up. Not an earth shattering statement to make given RJ is a Top 10 player in whatever class he decides on but one of the more vocal KU supporters in recent memory simply might be over-recruited..

Yeah I hope we keep Markese. Take him and RJ, have Markese develop for a year before really playing. Provided KU has the room.

Self watched JRE, Harvey, Jalen Suggs and Chandler Lawson today.

The staff not watching Carey. Methinks it’s because we have other bigs in mind for 19. One rhymes with Lassie and the other with dirt.

Also add Wiseman to the list, since he’s a teammate of Lawson. Not that we have a chance.

UK in on Josh Green. I want him bad if we can’t get Achiwua. Was really impressed with Green at Hoop Summit.

Yeah zero chance at Wiseman, but like you said free to watch.

Agree on Green he is very good. Shame UK is getting involved but I'm not surprised.

KU watching Cole Anthony. Kid is a stud. He’s about as explicit as it gets in not talking recruiting so nobody knows what he’s thinking. KU probably not going to be a serious player.

RJ Hampton did work last night. 28 points (11-22 2-3 FT 4-8 3 PT) 9 assist 6 TO 8 boards 3 steals

Well just read the article , was talking about how now the KU staff and well all others now turning their full attention to the 2019 recruiting.

Talked about being in the Dallas Ft Worth area this weekend as this is the 1st live evaluation period of 2019 recruits, this is a weekend with the EBYL where Adidas - -Under Armour - -& Nike was having events.

Some names I really hadn't seen - and then some have seen - -these aren't all off the article BUT: here are a few that is connected with KU or they recruiting.
Adidas: - -1st for sure is Markese - we know all about him - -the one I hadn't heard anything on is Onyeka Okongwu a 5* ranked # 18 a 6'8 - -215 lb - say has serious room to grow as of Jan his top 5 were - -Arizona St , UCLA , Washington, USC , & KU. - - sounds good but does anyone else see the trend here?

Off Nike : - - never have heard nothing on this kid yet either: - - Jalen Lecque 5 * # 8 - -6'2 out of Arden NC - -Norm Roberts is the lead recruiter for him - - - -Isaiah Stewart- -now have heard some on him 5* # 10- -6"8--- -230 - - & - -Kofi Cockburn - -# 31 - -6'10 - 300 lbs

Under Armour : Christian Brown a 5 * # 27 - -- 6'6 200--- - -- -& a 5 * Josh Green who's most interest they say is from the West Coast

These are some of the names of interest for 2019 - plus they listed - -JRE - - & Chandler Lawson so here we go - -off and running. - -ROCK CHAL ALL DAY LONG BABY

Okongwu is almost certainly staying in California. His guy at UCLA just took another job at Cal, so they may get him. Not sure KU is that interested anyway. Lecque is an absolute stud. Love his game. He was originally a 2018 kid but went to 2019 about a year ago. He may come back to 2018, but probably not until late summer. I don't expect KU to really be involved either way. I think they should go after him if we miss on Romeo. Grimes is big enough to play the 3, and Jalen can play the 2. I think Tait is wrong on how big Jalen is too. He's nearly 6'4 now I believe. Isaiah is probably going to Duke. I like Kofi, but he's not really a need. Brown is a small ball 4 man at this stage, probably staying in the South. Hurt is the target there. Josh Green is legit, and KU has a good shot. Was pretty good at the Hoop Summit on the international team (he's Australian).

FarmerJayhawk said:

Okongwu is almost certainly staying in California. His guy at UCLA just took another job at Cal, so they may get him. Not sure KU is that interested anyway. Lecque is an absolute stud. Love his game. He was originally a 2018 kid but went to 2019 about a year ago. He may come back to 2018, but probably not until late summer. I don't expect KU to really be involved either way. I think they should go after him if we miss on Romeo. Grimes is big enough to play the 3, and Jalen can play the 2. I think Tait is wrong on how big Jalen is too. He's nearly 6'4 now I believe. Isaiah is probably going to Duke. I like Kofi, but he's not really a need. Brown is a small ball 4 man at this stage, probably staying in the South. Hurt is the target there. Josh Green is legit, and KU has a good shot. Was pretty good at the Hoop Summit on the international team (he's Australian).

Yeah, not the best researched article. Didn't even mention Duke in the bit about Cole Anthony and he will probably end up there.

I would be stunned if Okongwu ends up anywhere besides UCLA.

BShark said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

Okongwu is almost certainly staying in California. His guy at UCLA just took another job at Cal, so they may get him. Not sure KU is that interested anyway. Lecque is an absolute stud. Love his game. He was originally a 2018 kid but went to 2019 about a year ago. He may come back to 2018, but probably not until late summer. I don't expect KU to really be involved either way. I think they should go after him if we miss on Romeo. Grimes is big enough to play the 3, and Jalen can play the 2. I think Tait is wrong on how big Jalen is too. He's nearly 6'4 now I believe. Isaiah is probably going to Duke. I like Kofi, but he's not really a need. Brown is a small ball 4 man at this stage, probably staying in the South. Hurt is the target there. Josh Green is legit, and KU has a good shot. Was pretty good at the Hoop Summit on the international team (he's Australian).

Yeah, not the best researched article. Didn't even mention Duke in the bit about Cole Anthony and he will probably end up there.

I would be stunned if Okongwu ends up anywhere besides UCLA.

I think he ends up at Cal now that Grace is there.

Self watched Hurt this morning.

FarmerJayhawk said:

Self watched Hurt this morning.

Almost a must get at this point.

In other news, KU is out on Vernon Carey. Going to be Duke, MSU, UK, Miami, and UNC.

FarmerJayhawk said:

In other news, KU is out on Vernon Carey. Going to be Duke, MSU, UK, Miami, and UNC.

Unfortunate but not surprised at all.

@FarmerJayhawk staff prioritizing other bigs over Carey or more he’s not interested?

Woodrow said:

@FarmerJayhawk staff prioritizing other bigs over Carey or more he’s not interested?

Some of both. Hurt and JRE have been top targets all along and never put in the work that the rest have.

FarmerJayhawk said:

Woodrow said:

@FarmerJayhawk staff prioritizing other bigs over Carey or more he’s not interested?

Some of both. Hurt and JRE have been top targets all along and never put in the work that the rest have.

Also Nike. That's the main reason I never figured he'd end up at KU.

Not mad. Glad we got cut now instead of chasing a unicorn.

Kcmatt7 said:

Not mad. Glad we got cut now instead of chasing a unicorn.

Agree. Fortunately it seems like KU didn't waste a lot of time here.

@BShark I do think Carey will take a team to a FF much like Okafor did. Just not a lot of guys who will be able to stop him at the college level.

@Kcmatt7 Agree. Unfortunate that KU was never really a player for him but like you said it's best to be out now. Looks like KU has been prioritizing other recruits anyway.

I don't see much difference in Carey then what Duke just had in Bagley/Carter or Zona with Ayton. OAD bigs very rarely transform teams into title contenders. Okafor and Davis seem to be the exception so far.

We will see. Watching him destroy Big Dave for an entire game really opened my eyes. None of those guys ever did that to another McDs AA the way Carey just absolutely punked Dave.

Kcmatt7 said:

We will see. Watching him destroy Big Dave for an entire game really opened my eyes. None of those guys ever did that to another McDs AA the way Carey just absolutely punked Dave.

Definitely, Carey is very good and well deserved of his reputation and ranking. If KU had any chance with this guy I would be all aboard trying to get him here. We may still have one last shot if Self gets to coach him this summer.

Big Dave likely wouldn't have been a MCD's AA in other classes according to many scouts and recruiting services. Credit to Dave for improving as much as he has to get the honor. My expectations for him are tempered until he gets coached up.

I do find it a good thing that Carey isn't stringing along KU interest which allows the staff to focus their attention on others they likely have a better chance in landing.

According to Slater KU has not offered Kofi Cockburn a 6'11" big man.

Woodrow said:

According to Slater KU has not offered Kofi Cockburn a 6'11" big man.

Yes Kansas has

Yeah @BeddieKU23 you nailed it. I like Dave long term but he is not a typical mcdaa. Hope people aren't expecting too much.

Cockburn is a project but don't mind that offer.

Now offered?

dylans said:

Now offered?

Yes he has a KU offer.

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GOOD. Didn't want to dick around and offer too late.

I would like to see Dickitch interview Cockburn...:smile:

Slater with a CB pick for Achiuwa to Florida St. Wondering what the connection is there.. Probably selling the Bacon/Issac success

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Dynamic duo. :O

BeddieKU23 said:

Slater with a CB pick for Achiuwa to Florida St. Wondering what the connection is there.. Probably selling the Bacon/Issac success

Interesting.

I won't be surprised if Thompson pops early (for KU duh).

BShark said:

I won't be surprised if Thompson pops early (for KU duh).

I certainly get that vibe as well.

@BeddieKU23 Yeah doesn't take much digging tbh.

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Bryce is very active on twitter and has put out the same kind of message about every offer but it does seem like this one is special for him.

It would be pretty damn cool for Self. This would have to be his first father/son combo coached. :D

@BShark

His shooting ability this early is definitely a plus. Would like to see him continue to develop physically and seems how he's young he's got plenty of time for that. If Self is offering this early it must mean serious interest. Would be shocked if he ends up anywhere else

Only the 3rd OK prep player to be offered by KU since Xavier Henry played at KU. Other two being Trae Young and Nino Jackson. Thanks to Sam Duren via twitter for this nugget, I wouldn't have thought about it. Ended up dm'ing with some old OK hoop heads about Nino. Man that kid could ball.

@BShark Didn't Nino get into some trouble with the law? Ended up at a JC??

@Woodrow I thought it was academics but if you have an article about legal troubles I'd love to see it. Awhile back I was trying to dig into exactly what happened with him and didn't find anything conclusive.

@BShark This article says "off court issues"

http://newsok.com/article/3802903 ↗

http://www.news-star.com/article/20130428/sports/130429685 ↗

Looks like he had a kid and stopped going to school which led to grade problems...

I just remember Matt from the Shiver was raving about him and then he just disappeared.

@Woodrow Thanks. I knew about the academic issues but never why.

And yeah the kid could absolutely hoop. I think he would have been really good at KU under Self. Too bad it didn't work out.

Well from what I read today - - looks like RJ Hampton and Robinson Earle - really stood out at the EBYL in Dallas this past weekend. - Article states that KU is for sure the team to beat for Earle but we knew that - we need to lock him up early. - Personally I think he is pretty well locked up already but could be wrong.

I've heard rumors just not for sure how legit they are, talk about RJ reclassifying . - Is this people just blowing smoke OR is there a legit chance he reclassifies to 2019? - - -what ya think? - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer73 99% chance RJ reclassifies to 2019. It's all but done.

@BShark So what's your feel with him? - - -we have a legit shot?. - - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

jayballer73 said:

@BShark So what's your feel with him? - - -we have a legit shot?. - - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

KU vs Duke. KU very strongly positioned but Duke is making a HARD push which makes sense because he's a top tier talent.

Kansas is another school that has long been linked with Hurt, and the Jayhawks also made a good impression during their visit.

“My family and I have a good relationship with them,” said Hurt of Kansas. “The assistants are really good guys who talk about life with me. It isn’t all about basketball with them. We talk about life as well, so we have a strong relationship.”

At this point, I’d say it’s more likely than not Hurt and Hampton are part of KU’s 2019 class assuming Grimes goes pro. I can’t see Jacobs going anywhere else unless KU cuts him loose. He wasn’t going to play a ton anyway as a freshman, but can be a good player down the line.

Hampton just got offered by Duke

JAYHAWKFAN214 said:

Hampton just got offered by Duke

With the expectation he’ll reclassify, which could happen as soon as this summer.

Norm is going to watch Precious this weekend. He likes KU quite a bit. UConn and FSU are teams to watch.

FarmerJayhawk said:

Norm is going to watch Precious this weekend. He likes KU quite a bit. UConn and FSU are teams to watch.

Not sure KU can land Hurt and Achiuwa but the odds of landing one seem pretty good. Either one puts KU in a good spot.

BShark said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

Norm is going to watch Precious this weekend. He likes KU quite a bit. UConn and FSU are teams to watch.

Not sure KU can land Hurt and Achiuwa but the odds of landing one seem pretty good. Either one puts KU in a good spot.

I’d definitely take a Dotson Hampton Achiuwa Hurt Dante lineup.

FarmerJayhawk said:

Norm is going to watch Precious this weekend. He likes KU quite a bit. UConn and FSU are teams to watch.

Have consistently heard he likes KU- especially Norm. This isn't the type of player we let go to a Uconn or FSU.. This is a top 5 player in his class I think when its all said and done

BeddieKU23 said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

Norm is going to watch Precious this weekend. He likes KU quite a bit. UConn and FSU are teams to watch.

Have consistently heard he likes KU- especially Norm. This isn't the type of player we let go to a Uconn or FSU.. This is a top 5 player in his class I think when its all said and done

Norm's stomping grounds. If anyone can close him...

Great to hear that he likes KU, kind of unusual for someone from NY. Going to be a battle.

BeddieKU23 said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

Norm is going to watch Precious this weekend. He likes KU quite a bit. UConn and FSU are teams to watch.

Have consistently heard he likes KU- especially Norm. This isn't the type of player we let go to a Uconn or FSU.. This is a top 5 player in his class I think when its all said and done

For sure. Norm is the man up there. It’s early but I like our chances.

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

Norm is going to watch Precious this weekend. He likes KU quite a bit. UConn and FSU are teams to watch.

Have consistently heard he likes KU- especially Norm. This isn't the type of player we let go to a Uconn or FSU.. This is a top 5 player in his class I think when its all said and done

Norm's stomping grounds. If anyone can close him...

Great to hear that he likes KU, kind of unusual for someone from NY. Going to be a battle.

Jalen Carey liked Norm and KU as well at this point last year so yeah its early and a battle for sure. Of course Achiuwa is a different echelon of player so I'd imagine he's going to be a bigger priority

FarmerJayhawk said:

BeddieKU23 said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

Norm is going to watch Precious this weekend. He likes KU quite a bit. UConn and FSU are teams to watch.

Have consistently heard he likes KU- especially Norm. This isn't the type of player we let go to a Uconn or FSU.. This is a top 5 player in his class I think when its all said and done

For sure. Norm is the man up there. It’s early but I like our chances.

Definitely I don't see this one ending soon. It's going to be interesting to see if the staff can land multiple players at the same position.. Hurt, Achiuwa, JRE. Maybe Achiuwa settles into being a big SF, although that's probably a bit wishful thinking there as he's continued to grow. Hopefully we keep on him this summer

The only way we get all 3 is if Silvio leaves. JRE can play the 5 since he’s like 6’10 235 now. Precious is skilled enough to play on the wing but I like him a lot in the Josh Jackson 4 role. Or you can play him at the 3 with Hurt at the 4 interchangeably, like we did with Vick and Svi.

@FarmerJayhawk

Pretty much that would be crazy to convince them all to coexist. Won't count out bill and the gang until otherwise

And as we thought, it's going to be a fight with Duke to get Hampton.

BeddieKU23 said:

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

Norm is going to watch Precious this weekend. He likes KU quite a bit. UConn and FSU are teams to watch.

Have consistently heard he likes KU- especially Norm. This isn't the type of player we let go to a Uconn or FSU.. This is a top 5 player in his class I think when its all said and done

Norm's stomping grounds. If anyone can close him...

Great to hear that he likes KU, kind of unusual for someone from NY. Going to be a battle.

Jalen Carey liked Norm and KU as well at this point last year so yeah its early and a battle for sure. Of course Achiuwa is a different echelon of player so I'd imagine he's going to be a bigger priority

I firmly believe KU could have landed him if needed. Got that vibe reading between the lines from Slater.

FarmerJayhawk said:

The only way we get all 3 is if Silvio leaves. JRE can play the 5 since he’s like 6’10 235 now. Precious is skilled enough to play on the wing but I like him a lot in the Josh Jackson 4 role. Or you can play him at the 3 with Hurt at the 4 interchangeably, like we did with Vick and Svi.

Need to just close on JRE already. Loves KU AAAAND a great fit for Self (tough, rebounder).

Rj Hampton had 28 points and 5 assist tonight in front of Bill self Duke Texas and others

Self watched Bassey and Hurt this morning.

Josh Green had 37 today. He’s rising quickly up my wish list. KU is going to need some scoring in 2019, and he gets buckets.

FarmerJayhawk said:

Josh Green had 37 today. He’s rising quickly up my wish list. KU is going to need some scoring in 2019, and he gets buckets.

If Duke nut punches Self/KU for Hampton, Josh Green becomes a top target imo.

BShark said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

Josh Green had 37 today. He’s rising quickly up my wish list. KU is going to need some scoring in 2019, and he gets buckets.

If Duke nut punches Self/KU for Hampton, Josh Green becomes a top target imo.

Landing either prospect has to be considered a win-win. Both would be insane and an option given they play different positions

I wonder what KU will do at guard if Duke snags Hampton. Harvey feels more like a wing to me plus the legal crap he is dealing with.

KU offered 2019 PG Tre Mann from Florida. Top 40 player.

Duke offered 2019 PG Josiah James. Hope they get him!

BShark said:

Duke offered 2019 PG Josiah James. Hope they get him!

Same. Though I’m kind of conflicted because I love his game.

BShark said:

KU offered 2019 PG Tre Mann from Florida. Top 40 player.

Let me ask you this buddy. - With KU offering to him , just confuses me a little - -I mean are they think Devon is a OAD? - - PLUS we still have Moore a s a PG on the roster. - That's not even talking about Moore being the start pg - just on the roster.-- Seems to me that and this is what I'm asking you cause it seems or looks like to me they are Recruiting over Markese. - -Unless they fully believe Dotson is a OAD your gonna have - - Dotson -- -Moore - - -Jacobs - -and then they offered this guy? - -kind of looks like to me they are over recruiting this spot unless they pushing someone out

jayballer73 said:

BShark said:

KU offered 2019 PG Tre Mann from Florida. Top 40 player.

Let me ask you this buddy. - With KU offering to him , just confuses me a little - -I mean are they think Devon is a OAD? - - PLUS we still have Moore a s a PG on the roster. - That's not even talking about Moore being the start pg - just on the roster.-- Seems to me that and this is what I'm asking you cause it seems or looks like to me they are Recruiting over Markese. - -Unless they fully believe Dotson is a OAD your gonna have - - Dotson -- -Moore - - -Jacobs - -and then they offered this guy? - -kind of looks like to me they are over recruiting this spot unless they pushing someone out

I mean KU is going hard after Hampton in 2019 too. It's clear the staff wants another PG.

Dotson should still be around but you never know. Moore isn't good. Jacobs isn't a guy that contributes year one.

There are situations where I could see Jacobs and KU mutually parting ways. Otoh if he is willing to stick with KU through this FBI crap I say stick with him. He probably won't be top 100 when it's all said and done but who cares if he is willing to stay and develop.

Grimes and Cremo if he is added will open up two guard spots. That's room for two signings. Plus KU might have open scholarships anyway.

In a four guard lineup it’s not an issue. I love having two talented point guards on the floor at once even in a traditional lineup, it puts a lot of pressure on the D. (I.e. Mario and Russell or Devonte’ and Frank)

@BShark

I think you are selling Moore short, no pun intended. Based on what I have read about him, he will surprise a lot of people. Markese is currently ranked #84 and will likely move up and maybe break into the top 50 when all is said and done. He might not contribute in his first year but he is a lot like Sherron and if he does anywhere near as well as Sherron did it will be a huge bonus.

JayHawkFanToo said:

@BShark

I think you are selling Moore short, no pun intended. Based on what I have read about him, he will surprise a lot of people. Markese is currently ranked #84 and will likely move up and maybe break into the top 50 when all is said and done. He might not contribute in his first year but he is a lot like Sherron and if he does anywhere near as well as Sherron did it will be a huge bonus.

I've chosen to die on this hill re: Moore from what I've seen and read so we will see.

As for Markese he is much more likely to move down by all accounts from talking to people around recruiting and rankings. That said I don't think it means much and I do hope he ends up at KU. He's bouncy and athletic. Just needs some work on his jumper and to improve his passing instincts.

Rj Hampton just get offer by Memphis Tigers

Nova continues to run laps on people in recruiting. 2 4 star commits already. Moore the latest, a Top 60 guard with size. Can only imagine he'll become the latest great from there in time

BeddieKU23 said:

Nova continues to run laps on people in recruiting. 2 4 star commits already. Moore the latest, a Top 60 guard with size. Can only imagine he'll become the latest great from there in time

I just assume he will redshirt and play insane defense and shoot threes at a 40%+ clip by his JR year.

@BeddieKU23

I am sure their recent success is opening doors to players previously unavailable. The question is, will it result in higher ranked players that leave earlier and ruin the system that has proven to be successful with older, more experienced players?

JayHawkFanToo said:

@BeddieKU23

I am sure their recent success is opening doors to players previously unavailable. The question is, will it result in higher ranked players that leave earlier and ruin the system that has proven to be successful with older, more experienced players?

Both of these guys fit their model to a T. Dixon a borderline Top 100 guy and Moore a Top 60 ish kid that missed a year due to injury. That's their sweet spot

With the recent success they are involved with higher ranked kids though in 19 & 2020 classes. They may not land any but they definitely have their foot in the door where they didn't before

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

Nova continues to run laps on people in recruiting. 2 4 star commits already. Moore the latest, a Top 60 guard with size. Can only imagine he'll become the latest great from there in time

I just assume he will redshirt and play insane defense and shoot threes at a 40%+ clip by his JR year.

Automatic lock. Its the water I'm telling you

BeddieKU23 said:

JayHawkFanToo said:

@BeddieKU23

I am sure their recent success is opening doors to players previously unavailable. The question is, will it result in higher ranked players that leave earlier and ruin the system that has proven to be successful with older, more experienced players?

Both of these guys fit their model to a T. Dixon a borderline Top 100 guy and Moore a Top 60 ish kid that missed a year due to injury. That's their sweet spot

With the recent success they are involved with higher ranked kids though in 19 & 2020 classes. They may not land any but they definitely have their foot in the door where they didn't before

Also Brunson was very highly ranked and stayed 3 years.

Both these guys fit the mold for sure. I mean the one kid is a 6'6'' center. That's vintage Jay Wright right there.

The Arizona mess gifted them JQ who I think is right there after the top tier of PGs in this class. I'm not sure I see a single OAD PG in this class tbh. Quickley might be because Kentucky. It's ridiculous that Tre Jones is the #1 PG by some services. But whatever, Dotson can just prove it on the court.

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

JayHawkFanToo said:

@BeddieKU23

I am sure their recent success is opening doors to players previously unavailable. The question is, will it result in higher ranked players that leave earlier and ruin the system that has proven to be successful with older, more experienced players?

Both of these guys fit their model to a T. Dixon a borderline Top 100 guy and Moore a Top 60 ish kid that missed a year due to injury. That's their sweet spot

With the recent success they are involved with higher ranked kids though in 19 & 2020 classes. They may not land any but they definitely have their foot in the door where they didn't before

Also Brunson was very highly ranked and stayed 3 years.

Both these guys fit the mold for sure. I mean the one kid is a 6'6'' center. That's vintage Jay Wright right there.

The Arizona mess gifted them JQ who I think is right there after the top tier of PGs in this class. I'm not sure I see a single OAD PG in this class tbh. Quickley might be because Kentucky. It's ridiculous that Tre Jones is the #1 PG by some services. But whatever, Dotson can just prove it on the court.

Brunson, just a different cat. Agreed.

Definitely JQ was gifted. He'll be there a few years too, maybe 3 LOL.

Quickley, Garland are the two most likely OAD's I think. Still I wouldn't trade Dotson for any of them, I've thought that since last summer. Jones is being recruited over so he might not have a choice.

KU arguably landed the best College PG (Dotson) and best Pro potential PG (Grimes)

@BeddieKU23 Well if Wright gets a third year out of JQ I just assume he will at worst be in the FF again that year.

Agree. There will be some number of OADs just because. Quickley and Garland feel like good candidates. I can't imagine any of the top players Vandy got sticking around more than 1 year.

That depends on if you view Grimes as a PG or not. I think long term and in the NBA he wants to be a PG but I also think it's very likely he is only at KU one year and never has primary ball handling responsibilities.

BShark said:

@BeddieKU23 Well if Wright gets a third year out of JQ I just assume he will at worst be in the FF again that year.

Agree. There will be some number of OADs just because. Quickley and Garland feel like good candidates. I can't imagine any of the top players Vandy got sticking around more than 1 year.

That depends on if you view Grimes as a PG or not. I think long term and in the NBA he wants to be a PG but I also think it's very likely he is only at KU one year and never has primary ball handling responsibilities.

I think Grimes will be a NBA PG but that could change after we see him at KU. My view of him right now is he'd make a heck of a PG at the next level with his size and skill. For KU I think its exciting knowing he has the skills to run the team if needed and will be a valuable secondary option to have

What's the latest on five-star 2019 big man Onyeka Okongwu. Well looks like he's throwing us a hopeless bone. Imagine he won't even visit.

How’s the recruiting process going?
It’s going really good. I’m leaning towards USC, UCLA, Washington, Kansas.

So it’s those four?
Yeah.

What’s the next step in this process?
I will go on a couple of official visits.

Do you know when you will start doing those?
Probably late summer.

What do you like about USC?
USC, I have always been a Trojan fan since I was a little kid, close to home, I like the way they play basketball too, I like the way they do their offense and defense, just the basketball is my type of style. I like the coaching staff, I’m really close with them.

What about UCLA?
UCLA has been known to bring a lot of NBA players out of their college, that’s the main thing and their close to home as well.

What do you like about Kansas?
Kansas is one of the best college basketball schools ever, there have been a lot of talent and a lot of NBA prospects. Washington, I have really grown close with their coaching staff.

Does Eric Mobley being on staff at USC and you playing AAU with his brother intrigue you?
It’s pretty interesting. Me and Isaiah have a great chemistry together but at the end of the day I have always loved USC to begin with.

BeddieKU23 said:

What's the latest on five-star 2019 big man Onyeka Okongwu. Well looks like he's throwing us a hopeless bone. Imagine he won't even visit.

How’s the recruiting process going?
It’s going really good. I’m leaning towards USC, UCLA, Washington, Kansas.

So it’s those four?
Yeah.

What’s the next step in this process?
I will go on a couple of official visits.

Do you know when you will start doing those?
Probably late summer.

What do you like about USC?
USC, I have always been a Trojan fan since I was a little kid, close to home, I like the way they play basketball too, I like the way they do their offense and defense, just the basketball is my type of style. I like the coaching staff, I’m really close with them.

What about UCLA?
UCLA has been known to bring a lot of NBA players out of their college, that’s the main thing and their close to home as well.

What do you like about Kansas?
Kansas is one of the best college basketball schools ever, there have been a lot of talent and a lot of NBA prospects. Washington, I have really grown close with their coaching staff.

Does Eric Mobley being on staff at USC and you playing AAU with his brother intrigue you?
It’s pretty interesting. Me and Isaiah have a great chemistry together but at the end of the day I have always loved USC to begin with.

Where are you going to 100% commit to: UCLA

Guess they left that one out.

@BShark USC*

@BeddieKU23

He is staying on the West Coast; unlikely he comes to Kansas. I would say USC or UCLA

FarmerJayhawk said:

@BShark USC*

Oh interesting I thought he was part of some UCLA AAU pipeline. I could be thinking of someone else though.

Just thought it was funny why even list ku.

@BeddieKU23 Yep. Completely pointless.

@BeddieKU23

Lots of prospects list KU, they probably think it makes it look like KU is interested and raises their value when in reality KU is not interested at all.

JayHawkFanToo said:

@BeddieKU23

Lots of prospects list KU, they probably think it makes it look like KU is interested and raises their value when in reality KU is not interested at all.

Not the case here. KU would take him if he were willing to leave the wc.

@BShark

I was note referring to that specific prospect but many others, much lower ranked, that routinely add elite programs for self-aggrandizing reasons.

JayHawkFanToo said:

@BShark

I was note referring to that specific prospect but many others, much lower ranked, that routinely add elite programs for self-aggrandizing reasons.

Agree. Andre Rafus and some kid that committed to Rutgers are recent examples.

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Jalen Wilson cutting to 6 schools already.

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Jalen Wilson cutting to 6 schools already.

Very contentious one this is shaping up to be. Hope we get pursuing

@BeddieKU23 I would assume Baylor, Michigan, KU, Marquette, Oklahoma, not sure on 6th school.

Notice a theme here? Though Michigan switched recently iirc.

KU offered: https://247sports.com/Player/Kira-Lewis-46035371 ↗

Stock piling PGs for @jayballer73

Some notes: he absolutely blew up this recent AAU session. Speculation is he will move up into the 40-50 range.

@BShark from what I read today sounds like Michigan is a pretty heavy leader right now. Was suppose to be meeting with him - haven't offered yet but it's coming - - -just kind of sounds like he is pretty heavy on Michigan

BShark said:

KU offered: https://247sports.com/Player/Kira-Lewis-46035371 ↗

Stock piling PGs for @jayballer73

LOL - - -good lookin out lol. - -just what we need ANOTHER point guard LOL

BShark said:

@BeddieKU23 I would assume Baylor, Michigan, KU, Marquette, Oklahoma, not sure on 6th school.

Notice a theme here? Though Michigan switched recently iirc.

I was a bit off

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“It’s always great getting an offer from a coach like Bill Self. He’s proven himself time and time again, winning and also putting guys in the pros. Kansas is a great school overall!” -Lewis on KU

Nike has pushed Okoro to Oregon.

Tyrese Maxey committed to UK and will stay in the 19 class.

BShark said:

Tyrese Maxey committed to UK and will stay in the 19 class.

Yippeeee

All but confirms Haggans goes to 18 to get his one year in

FWIW http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/23424645/duke-blue-devils-kentucky-wildcats-land-top-recruiting-prospects-2019 ↗

Ku is at #3

@dylans @JAYHAWKFAN214

KU only has Jacobs so far and th rest is just smoke at this time and the same is true for most of the teams in the list. Until a player signs a LOI nothing is certain, Ayton comes to mind, and even then, the prospect can always decomit.

JayHawkFanToo said:

@dylans @JAYHAWKFAN214

KU only has Jacobs so far and th rest is just smoke at this time and the same is true for most of the teams in the list. Until a player signs a LOI nothing is certain, Ayton comes to mind, and even then, the prospect can always decomit.

Yeah kind of silly to even do an article like this now. KU is very well positioned for Hurt and JRE but who knows if the FBI spectre will keep haunting KU...

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https://247sports.com/college/basketball/recruiting/Article/247Sports-Composite-top-40-prospect-Tre-Mann-talks-about-his-three-top-schools-and-official-visits-to-Florida-and-Tennessee-118169824 ↗

Made Antoine's final 5 lol

@BShark I thought R.J. to duke was a done deal.

JayHawkFanToo said:

@dylans @JAYHAWKFAN214

KU only has Jacobs so far and th rest is just smoke at this time and the same is true for most of the teams in the list. Until a player signs a LOI nothing is certain, Ayton comes to mind, and even then, the prospect can always decomit.

Agreed, but KU basketball content is in a slow period. I would greatly appreciate if you/others would post links as well (like @bshark et al) to satiate my appetite for KU news, even if it’s fabricated. :)

BShark said:

Made Antoine's final 5 lol

ya I agree with ya bud - - lol - -really not sure why? - you and I both know right? lol

dylans said:

@BShark I thought R.J. to duke was a done deal.

Pretty much. Sucks that K punched Self in the nads on this one.

BShark said:

Made Antoine's final 5 lol

Joke

dylans said:

@BShark I thought R.J. to duke was a done deal.

Which rj they getting them all lol

The four-star guard said he hopes to begin to whittle his list down after the AAU season and he doesn’t have a date in mind for his commitment. However, asked if he wants to take some kind of a visit to KU, Lewis did respond: “Yes sir.”

“I’ve heard it’s one of the best places for basketball,” Lewis said of Kansas. “I heard it’ll be sold out.”

But basketball won’t be the only factor driving his decision.

Lewis said he’ll be considering a number of things with his college choice, including education and the comfort he feels on campus. He said the largest factor in his recruitment will come down to the relationships he’s able to build with the various staffs and players before he moves away from his family.

Certainly those familial ties are plenty strong — and present — in his recruitment.

“It’s real close,” Lewis said of his relationship with his mother, Natasha. “It’s my mom. She knows everything about me. She had me in her stomach for nine months.”

She might know everything about her son’s recruitment, too.

Natasha told 247Sports she has made it a point to try to talk to every coach that interacts with Lewis. The process, one she called busy yet rewarding, has kept her hands full, but she’s still found the time to enjoy it all.

“I’m very proud of Kira,” Natasha said. “What I’m most proud of is his humility. He’s humble, he doesn’t let that get to him. He’s always been taught to earn things, nothing is given in life.”

Seems the KU offer threw a wrench in Tre Mann's recruitment. It was looking like he would decide between UT and UF pretty quickly before that.

@BShark Sounds like your 100% correct. - -Sounds like he is very intrigued about KU - - saying that they are right there in his three. - -KU - - - Florida - -& Tennessee , before the KU offer said or sure sounded like he was focusing on Florida and Tennessee then KU entered the picture.

Yet though ANOTHER PG - - -lol - - -I'm sure glad Coach knows what he is doing - - I know it's not the case but man it just looks like he is recruiting right over the top of Jacobs. - -The question is I think how serious we are in him cause we sure are in his interest.

Then sounds the same with Samuel Williamson. - Sounds to me we have his interest for sure - -plus with his mother a graduate from here & then his brother graduating last year from here - -sounds like a plus for us, - -can't hurt that's for sure. - -Sounds like both for sure want to make that Visit to KU might be interesting.

jayballer73 said:

@BShark Sounds like your 100% correct. - -Sounds like he is very intrigued about KU - - saying that they are right there in his three. - -KU - - - Florida - -& Tennessee , before the KU offer said or sure sounded like he was focusing on Florida and Tennessee then KU entered the picture.

Yet though ANOTHER PG - - -lol - - -I'm sure glad Coach knows what he is doing - - I know it's not the case but man it just looks like he is recruiting right over the top of Jacobs. - -The question is I think how serious we are in him cause we sure are in his interest.

Then sounds the same with Samuel Williamson. - Sounds to me we have his interest for sure - -plus with his mother a graduate from here & then his brother graduating last year from here - -sounds like a plus for us, - -can't hurt that's for sure. - -Sounds like both for sure want to make that Visit to KU might be interesting.

Lewis is a PG too. Staff probably read the tea leaves with RJ Hampton.

Williamson should be a Hawk...

So when is Coach K going to croak? That old suckers gotta hear the demons scratching at the earth just beneath his feet.

One time KU target Marcedus Leech who plummeted down rankings after many injuries committed to ISU. It's not listed on any of his profiles though, so idk what the deal is.

"Marcedus Leech, a 2019 wing from Poplar Bluff, Mo., recently announced his commitment to Iowa State in a Snapchat post. Leech was a borderline five-star recruit after his freshman season of high school but has struggled to remain healthy. He’s suffered from a stress fracture in his shin and a broken foot.

An athletic scorer with a lot of upside, Leech had the likes of Kansas, Missouri, Florida State and LSU on his radar before picking Iowa State. He’s taken visits to Kansas, Kentucky and Missouri among others and could reignite interest from other schools even after his commitment if he can show he’s the same player from before the injuries.

Offer to keep an eye on. Combo forward Jaden McDaniels. Moved up 80(!) spots in the 247 rankings up to number 10.

KU offered an unranked 2019 player

https://247sports.com/Player/Orlando-Robinson-46035938 ↗

Robinson is not ranked by Scout, ESPN, Rivals or 247 Sports. He was originally listed as a 2018 recruit but is now classified in the 2019 class. Could this be the mystery recruit?

People still seem to think that we have some strange mystery recruit for this year. - -After Coach Self has come out and said that chances are very good that we hold on to the last scholarship - -I'm not getting it.

As I've said before and will say again I guess and Coach Self just recently said it would have to be a perfect fit at this point. This guy there is no way in hell he would be a perfect fit for this years class - -I have stated multiple times unless he could really be beneficial and not just a body to occupy the last spot - -then WE DO NOT NEED THEM.

Why would we try and have a player at the 5 spot no less where he is even a lesser of a need then a 2 or 3 - with a non ranking by ANY of the services how could that even begin to be beneficial? - - that's just insane - agai n we don't and at this point hoping we don't waste it and this guy beyond a doubt would be a total waste considering it being the last available.

Coach Self again said he has no problem holding onto the scholarship especially seeing as we have no Seniors for next year and we could very easily need for next year - -but yet some feel sold there is this mystery recruit

@jayballer73 When has Bill been 100% forthcoming about recruiting? Don’t take it personally I read what you said - paraphrasing the Kansan article- it’s not as much fun to assume recruiting is done as opposed to a mystery man being out there. People aren’t ignoring you or the fact you’re likely correct, it just doesn’t give us anything to talk about.

@dylans peacemaker

I totally believe him in that something would have to “fall out of the sky” to fill the last scholarship. With Doke likely coming back, there’s only room on the perimeter. And there’s only two guys I know of are considering reclassifying: Stanley and Lecque. Neither of which is likely to move to 2018.

Here is some information ↗ on KU targets...

JayHawkFanToo said:

Here is some information ↗ on KU targets...

It's time to step on the gas with Sam Williamson, imo. Very skilled player.

Depends on what KU needs but assuming that there is an open scholarship, Doke is gone if he comes back, Dedric is gone, Silvio never plays for KU again, Grimes is OAD and all other players stay...

In this case, KU is looking at a 5 player class, and needs at least 2 bigs.

Sign me up for: Hurt, JRE, Lecque, Williamson, Jacobs.

This would be my preferred and realistic class. It's got depth, some elite talent as well as guys that should be around for multiple years.

I am assuming Hampton has been secured by Duke and even if Cole Anthony wants to go elsewhere, it will be a Nike school.

Other players that would be good that I think KU could realistically land, depending on circumstance: Tre Mann, Josh Green, Malik Hall, Chandler Lawson, Zach Harvey, Kira Lewis.

Feels like a somewhat wide open class and I will be intrigued to see who the top guard and wing targets are (we know Hurt and JRE are the top post targets).

Thought i read somewhere that Dante is likely to end up in 2019 class and believe he would be a KU top target too.

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Slid in here just in time. Would make a great Hawk but gotta think Florida leads.

BShark said:

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Slid in here just in time. Would make a great Hawk but gotta think Florida leads.

Yes Florida leads

Jalen Wilson announcing for Michigan soon...

BShark said:

Jalen Wilson announcing for Michigan soon...

sucks

BeddieKU23 said:

BShark said:

Jalen Wilson announcing for Michigan soon...

sucks

Yep. Looks like KU didn't prioritize him enough. Lower hoops programs are more willing to put the hammer down early while recruits are lower ranked.

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

BShark said:

Jalen Wilson announcing for Michigan soon...

sucks

Yep. Looks like KU didn't prioritize him enough. Lower hoops programs are more willing to put the hammer down early while recruits are lower ranked.

Your probably right. I just hate that this is one that pops early (it's looking) that's a top 20 player that KU was on in some way and he's going elsewhere. We'd be lucky to see one of our other wing targets even pick a school by November

From Malik Hall

Kansas: “They talk to me every once in a while, like every two weeks. Nothing super serious there but they are still in there.”

:toilet:

BShark said:

From Malik Hall

Kansas: “They talk to me every once in a while, like every two weeks. Nothing super serious there but they are still in there.”

:toilet:

another one bites the dust

@BeddieKU23 Every time I read an article about him it sure seems like he wants KU to recruit him harder.

@BShark

We must have some really good vibes coming from our wing targets. I'm sure we'll track Hall this summer but it certainly doesn't look like we've full court pressed in any way

@BeddieKU23 Could have Garrett, Cunliffe and KJ all still around and those are all guys you mostly want at the 3 or small 4. Oh also Ochai, who knows how he develops.

If we are looking at Dedric, Doke and Grimes leaving it only has to be a 4 man class, while needing at least 2 bigs. There are a lot of wild cards though. Cunliffe could be squeezed out, the whole SDS situation (plus he could go pro with a good season anyway).

So Marcedus Leech is in fact an ISU commitment, but it's not public because of something on ISU's end. They won't say what of course.

@BShark

Yeah lots of wildcards.

I'd still swing for an elite wing to pair with Marcus. Honestly I have no idea what KJ will do. Usually family likes to stick together so I can see him just moving on with his brother. I think its way too early to know or assume but generally I get that feeling about those situations. A Jr Marcus and a Soph Ochai doesn't sound bad. Definitely need bigs. Have to swing for an elite guard as well

It wouldn't shock me if Self and co held out for Hampton's decision since they already have a back-up plan on board that isn't a big difference from other PG targets. Except for Lecque. I don't think you can slow play Lecque hoping to get Hampton but we will see what the staff does. I really like Lecque's game and keep seeing it mentioned that KU has a real shot.

I could see adding Chandler and keeping KJ. It's going to be KU vs Penny of course. If Dedric ends up being NPOY (not unrealistic) that's really gotta make Chandler/his dad think.

Not seeing a truly elite wing that KU has a great shot to land. Lots of "ok" wings which make returning veteran options more appealing. Really like Williamson as a long term prospect. I feel like he just need to keep working on his body, the skills are there. Edit: Maybe Josh Green, but loads of other schools involved deep there.

Very intrigued to see how things go with KU targets over the summer. Only known top targets imo are Hurt, JRE and Hampton. Very real chance at Hurt, expect to land JRE and Hampton to Duke in 2019.

@BeddieKU23 Sorry here , I understand your conversation is about Hall don't mean to intrude but your right but I also wonder now how serious we are recruiting Harvey any more? - I just kind of get a feel that we may have back off of him a bit. - Seems like he has slide a little in the rankings AND with his little ordeal that came to light not sure if coach Self really wants any questionable types if even in the slightest cases at this juncture. - Seems like the last 2-3 years we have had our share of limelight in the wrong way. - -Just kind of curious exactly how strongly we are really recruiting him at this point? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer73

Haven't heard much regarding him with KU. I figure that's a sign we are not actively after him.. Maybe it changes.

I've seen it mentioned that KU will be taking a wait and see approach. Still interested but wanting to see how that legal crap turns out.

@BShark ya, kinda what I thought also

Well read an article from zags blog just now. Saw where Nico Mannion a 6'3 PG is strongly considering re-classifying to 2019. Said he was taking summer classes and if things went well considering saying going back for his Senior year might be boring.

He is a 6.3 PG from pinnacle Arizona and is looking at these final 10 schools: - - -KU - -Duke- - -Oregon - - - Ariz - - -Utah - - -Villanova- - -Marq - - USC - - UCLA - - & Vanderbilt -a lot of West Coast schools there curious

@jayballer73

Won't be KU but thanks for sharing! This reclassifying drama is hard to follow

@BeddieKU23 So who will it be?

jayballer73 said:

@BeddieKU23 So who will it be?

Last I heard/seen Arizona and Villanova were hot on his trail

@BeddieKU23 HUGE mistake by the kid if he lands at Arizona

@jayballer73

He plays in Arizona now, so that could be a factor for him. He's from Italy, so he may want to stay close to where he has roots here in the U.S.

Slater dropping in a CB for KU and Hurt.

FarmerJayhawk said:

Slater dropping in a CB for KU and Hurt.

Mmm yes please.

@dylans ☠️🧛‍♂️🧟‍♂️🦇🐀💀⚰️🕳⚱️🆘

KU has offered Oscar Tshiebwe. 2019 C.

BShark said:

KU has offered Oscar Tshiebwe. 2019 C.

He's a bit raw, but he's athletic and moves really well for his size. He's got some size and bulk, so I can see him being a real force in the paint and being able to hold his own as a lone big man/ rim protector in the line up.

Read yesterday where KU picked up another CB pick for Samuell Williamson , saw that is is up to the # 60 player now , and I think you see him move some higher yet. - -I think he is ours really if we want to take him. Wouldn't be a bad player. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer73 Will be an excellent multi-year guy. Very skilled, SMOOOOOOOOOOOTH shot. Seems like KU is pretty serious. Maybe it will be wrapped up by fall.

TIFWIW: A poster on the Phog with typically good info has said KU has been nut punched with JRE and that Roy/UNC are now firmly in the lead.

From ku sports

As for Evans’ read on Robinson-Earl’s recruitment, his take goes down as good news for the Jayhawks.

“Kansas has been and will continue to be the program to beat,” Evans wrote on Friday, “though Virginia, North Carolina, UCLA and Arizona could have a puncher’s chance as well.”

I’m not worried about JRE yet. The staff is still selling the JRE/Hurt frontcourt. UNC is always going to be a recruiting threat (it’s an aweseome place to be) but there’s no comparing the Dean Dome and AFH. The visit should seal the deal.