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Yeah. Once Dellenger reported it, it was a 90000% DONE DEAL. He probably tweeted it from the plane or Les's house lol.

Les Miles. To KU. To KU. Excuse me, I'm going to have to take a moment to let thought unwrap in my brain. I say he makes 4 bowl games in 5 years, and then wants to go back to LSU, where he gets fired after his 3rd game.

LOL. He can never go back to LSU.

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@BShark You're overestimating both parties intelligence. If he starts winning at KU, and LSU starts losing, all bets are off. Those Cajuns are bugshit crazy about their football. Les had the best record in the SEC from 2005-2015, won a national championship, and several big time years. And they fired him for going 2-2. Those fans would hire Charles Manson if they thought he could win them football games, and their utter guile would compel them to come back after Les, with no sense of irony. It's a lethal combination of Bugtussle, Friday Night Lights, Big Oil and Gas money, and shrimp ettouffee.

Keep in mind, he has to recruit to Kansas, typically very difficult. He needs to keep Pooka.

I’m going to give it the old “wait and see”.

Gorilla72 said:

Keep in mind, he has to recruit to Kansas, typically very difficult. He needs to keep Pooka.

I’m going to give it the old “wait and see”.

I'm very interested to see what they can put together this year in recruiting. Might surprise some. KU/BMDs are sinking a LOT of money into football.

This is going to be an extremely good coaching staff. The OC will be :fire: :fire: :fire:

Miles is on a plane to Lawrence today. He needs to be on a plane to recruit tomorrow.

They're going to go from 0-60 in 4 seconds. They'll hire a bushel of talent, and we'll see recruiting like we've never seen. They'll be playing for championships in 4 years.

justanotherfan said:

Miles is on a plane to Lawrence today. He needs to be on a plane to recruit tomorrow.

He flew into Topeka already.

@BShark Get that man a pen and a contract quick. We don't want him changing his mind...

YES!!! #1 job today is talk to Pooka and go sign some offensive and defensive lineman.

@KUSTEVE settle down homie lol

2.775M annual salary. Very surprised by that. That’s a great deal for KU. Makes me think the assistant pool will be greatly increased.

Pooka Williams Heisman Trophy winner in 2020!!

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Woodrow said:

2.775M annual salary. Very surprised by that. That’s a great deal for KU. Makes me think the assistant pool will be greatly increased.

The OC will be a huge name and will also be HCIW.

Anyone driving down I-70 today be careful, a ton of mild cats just shat their pants.

So does this finally elevate us to dumpster fire status?? lol

So he agreed to a 2,775,000 5 year contract - - -will be introduced at 5 on a special hawk talk so will be able to hear right? - -lots of incentives for him - -has additional retention bonuses on November in 2020 - -And 2022.

OK question for you all. - -Would we think that Les probably already has some of his staff already on board wouldn't he? - -Would be awfully hard for him to be out recruiting and trying to establish a staff at the same time - -would think he has got some of the staff already in place right? ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

KUSTEVE said:

Les Miles. To KU. To KU. Excuse me, I'm going to have to take a moment to let thought unwrap in my brain. I say he makes 4 bowl games in 5 years, and then wants to go back to LSU, where he gets fired after his 3rd game.

lol -- you stop that lol

Gorilla72 said:

Keep in mind, he has to recruit to Kansas, typically very difficult. He needs to keep Pooka.

I’m going to give it the old “wait and see”.

what they need to do is , get Les, -- -Tony - -and hell even Jeff Long together and make their pitch to Pooka and his daddy-- -convince them for pooka to stay,--- my goodness Pooka is such a stud. - -get him to stay - -let other recruits from the boot to see what Pooka is doing - -tell them starting spots could be there. - - - -early playing time could be there.- - let them see Harris starting as a Freshman - -Pooka starting -- let them see how Lee came in - -hell there is three fro the boot starting right now. -- -Times are changing boys - -grab you butts and jump on the wagon now - -The sun is shinging , Big twelve been put on notice. - -right not as much NEXT year but I'm gonna enjoy going back to the stadium -- it's coming - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

BShark said:

Gorilla72 said:

Keep in mind, he has to recruit to Kansas, typically very difficult. He needs to keep Pooka.

I’m going to give it the old “wait and see”.

I'm very interested to see what they can put together this year in recruiting. Might surprise some. KU/BMDs are sinking a LOT of money into football.

Your right and I think they finally realized in order to win you have to invest - -be willing to put up some money - -it's hard to contain right now - - - -I like so many others have to try and control our expectations. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

BShark said:

Woodrow said:

2.775M annual salary. Very surprised by that. That’s a great deal for KU. Makes me think the assistant pool will be greatly increased.

The OC will be a huge name and will also be HCIW.

hmmm maybe he could land the OC that was interested from the Rams? - -would be an awesome dual ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

kjayhawks said:

Anyone driving down I-70 today be careful, a ton of mild cats just shat their pants.

Big twelve has just been served lol

Contract was signed Friday apparently.

I think you all are going to be very, very happy with the assistants. :)

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@cragarhawk lmao we will see.

I hope we don't run a pro style offense because I think the air raid is fun to watch. But we do have a solid stable of RBs and I wont care if we are winning.

@BShark Pooka left ....Pooka right....

kjayhawks said:

I how we don't run a pro style offense because I think the air raid is fun to watch. But we do have a solid stable of RBs and I wont care if we are winning.

I have np problem either way - -only thing is we need a better QB for the air raid then we have now. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

kjayhawks said:

I how we don't run a pro style offense because I think the air raid is fun to watch. But we do have a solid stable of RBs and I wont care if we are winning.

OC will handle the offense mostly and I believe it will be a scheme best suited to the personnel.

@BShark It never mattered who the OC at LSU was, it was Les Miles system and that was a pro style run first system.

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Someone knows how to win.

HighEliteMajor said:

Someone knows how to win.

Did you hear what he said about minimizing possessions when you are at a talent disadvantage? :)

"I can tell you, when we had Mettenberger, we threw for 3,300 yards and had two 1,000-yard receivers. When we had passers, we threw it. When we had players who couldn't throw well, we ran the football and won 10 a year.

BShark said:

HighEliteMajor said:

Someone knows how to win.

Did you hear what he said about minimizing possessions when you are at a talent disadvantage? :)

@BShark Hmmm. Imagine that. My kind of coach.

@BShark Hugh Freeze as off coordinator - we'll have the whole Dixie Mafia on board before you can say "Pooka to the left ...Pooka to the right ...". No doubt Freeze would be a remarkable play caller- is he going to be our recruiting coordinator? Not sure that would end well. We could full monte on it, turn overnite into a football machine, have a Top 5 recruiting class, then take our ncaa penalties, lay low for a year or two, and then gear it up back again.

Well what did you think? -kind of struggles , but people saying he is not really a good interview. - Sid some things I like what I heard. - -Biggest thing I like I think is that he is very open to talking to the current staff about the possibility if being retained. - -say like Oh I dunno maybe Tony Hull possibly lol - really hope that work out.

Read a lot of comments from former LSU fans or other people saying he is a great recruiter. - -said starts with finding the OC - -and Dc first with his staff, -will be hitting the phone tomorrow making contact with possible asst's. - -ring was nice & that was a conference ring - would love to see the National Championship ring.

Was nice to hear that he isn't limited to any special place as far as recruiting -which means if the talent is there he has no problem recruiting Kansas - -UH OH K-State not going to be easy for you to get the Kansas kids anymore lol. - good time for Snyder to get out lol. - -Wonder how long it will take for Les to shut the door and not let local talented recruits to get swipped away for out of state College's - -I'm ready - -got a good feeling about this -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

KUSTEVE said:

@BShark Hugh Freeze as off coordinator - we'll have the whole Dixie Mafia on board before you can say "Pooka to the left ...Pooka to the right ...". No doubt Freeze would be a remarkable play caller- is he going to be our recruiting coordinator? Not sure that would end well. We could full monte on it, turn overnite into a football machine, have a Top 5 recruiting class, then take our ncaa penalties, lay low for a year or two, and then gear it up back again.

Seen his name mentioned during the presser - ok so I have no idea where is this guy from?

Kind of liked - Long's answer or statement towards the end dealing with recruiting -- Now with les on board - -possible that we might be able to sneek in on some possible soft verbal commits maybe get them to change their minds. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

KUSTEVE said:

@BShark Hugh Freeze as off coordinator - we'll have the whole Dixie Mafia on board before you can say "Pooka to the left ...Pooka to the right ...". No doubt Freeze would be a remarkable play caller- is he going to be our recruiting coordinator? Not sure that would end well. We could full monte on it, turn overnite into a football machine, have a Top 5 recruiting class, then take our ncaa penalties, lay low for a year or two, and then gear it up back again.

The only reason Freeze got outed is because he beat Bama too much.

@jayballer73 Freeze was head coach at Miss when they went to the Top 5 in rankings and recruiting, and then got hammered by the NCAA for recruiting violations. Freeze was let go. He did have a big year or two, until he got caught.

@BShark It wouldn't surprise me if Alabama turned them in.

KUSTEVE said:

@jayballer73 Freeze was head coach at Miss when they went to the Top 5 in rankings and recruiting, and then got hammered by the NCAA for recruiting violations. Freeze was let go. He did have a big year or two, until he got caught.

@jayballer73 Freeze beat Bama 2 times in a row and it was almost 3. Helluva coach and good friends with Les as well. Would be a slam dunk hire as OC/HCIW.

jayballer73 said:

KUSTEVE said:

@BShark Hugh Freeze as off coordinator - we'll have the whole Dixie Mafia on board before you can say "Pooka to the left ...Pooka to the right ...". No doubt Freeze would be a remarkable play caller- is he going to be our recruiting coordinator? Not sure that would end well. We could full monte on it, turn overnite into a football machine, have a Top 5 recruiting class, then take our ncaa penalties, lay low for a year or two, and then gear it up back again.

Seen his name mentioned during the presser - ok so I have no idea where is this guy from?

Ole Miss coach who committed numerous recruiting violations and is the reason Ole Miss will be at the bottom of the SEC with Arkansas for the foreseeable future. I believe Freeze is also the reason Houston Nutt was able to successfully sue Ole Miss for defamation.

I'm shocked he doesn't have a show cause label attached to him right now. I wouldn't touch the guy with a 100' pole right now. The man is walking trouble.

Every coach in the SEC has committed numerous violations.

BShark said:

KUSTEVE said:

@jayballer73 Freeze was head coach at Miss when they went to the Top 5 in rankings and recruiting, and then got hammered by the NCAA for recruiting violations. Freeze was let go. He did have a big year or two, until he got caught.

@jayballer73 Freeze beat Bama 2 times in a row and it was almost 3. Helluva coach and good friends with Les as well. Would be a slam dunk hire as OC/HCIW.

Hell no that's not a slam dunk!!!

Ole Miss is in the middle of a two year bowl ban, 4 former Ole Miss staffers received show cause tags, Ole Miss got hit with lack of institutional control, scholarship reductions, vacating wins, 4 years of probation.

Why on earth would you want someone with that track record anywhere near Lawrence and KU?

BShark said:

Every coach in the SEC has committed numerous violations.

BULLSHIT!!!

Why would you want Bill Self or Kurtis Townsend around the basketball program?

Texas Hawk 10 said:

BShark said:

Every coach in the SEC has committed numerous violations.

BULLSHIT!!!

I'd listen to the argument that he could have been better at not getting caught. SEC football is as dirty as it gets though.

BShark said:

Texas Hawk 10 said:

BShark said:

Every coach in the SEC has committed numerous violations.

BULLSHIT!!!

I'd listen to the argument that he could have been better at not getting caught. SEC football is as dirty as it gets though.

Go look at laundry list of sanctions Ole Miss is dealing with right now because of Freeze. Why the hell would want someone that careless and reckless anywhere near this program?

The right assistants and coordinators might be able to bring their own recruits. Regardless, it is the absolute best hire we could have expected.

@Texas-Hawk-10 I'm aware.

KT left California with violations.

@Texas-Hawk-10 And look I'm not saying Freeze has to be the hire. I wouldn't hate it though.

I'd be just as fine with Jedd Fisch or another brilliant offensive mind.

BShark said:

@Texas-Hawk-10 I'm aware.

KT left California with violations.

Townsend himself did not have violations directly attached to his name like Freeze does. Townsend also did not to KU directly from Cal. He was at 4 other schools before he came to KU.

Townsend has also always been an assistant coach. Hugh Freeze was the head coach who actively participated in the NCAA violations. If they were minor violations, it wouldn't be a big deal. To get the sanctions Freeze got at Ole Miss, he was a dumbass and he would still be a dumbass at KU.

Les is above criticism now. It wouldn't surprise me if they announced Hugh Freeze in the next few days.

Matt Tait
‏ @mctait

Had a chance to chat with Les Miles, one on one, after his presser & I got the feeling he’s got at least half of his staff in place. Nothing official or signed yet, but the guy knows who his guys are... #KUfball

BShark said:

@Texas-Hawk-10 And look I'm not saying Freeze has to be the hire. I wouldn't hate it though.

I'd be just as fine with Jedd Fisch or another brilliant offensive mind.

If we could land Fisch as our OC - -would be a great hire

BShark said:

Matt Tait
‏ @mctait

Had a chance to chat with Les Miles, one on one, after his presser & I got the feeling he’s got at least half of his staff in place. Nothing official or signed yet, but the guy knows who his guys are... #KUfball

Sounds really good to me - -we need to get rolling. - Kind of figured that might be the case - -so they can get out and get after some kids. - Would be really hard to recruit and try to assemble a staff at the same time -- got all the confidence Les is going to get some solid asst Coach's - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

I’d put a nice sum on the OC being Fisch

FarmerJayhawk said:

I’d put a nice sum on the OC being Fisch

This would be great. Top option for me, with Freeze being a fallback.

All I care about with a new staff is that Bowen isn’t on it.

@Kcmatt7 I’d be fine with Bowen as a Defensive Backs coach but that’s it. He has sent several defensive back that he has worked with to the NFL. I’d be ok if Bill Miller and Tony Hull stayed as well, other than that I’m not sure I want another person returning.

@kjayhawks time for Bowen to go. It would send a weird message to the players to keep him on (especially a demotion). Really I feel the same way with everyone except Hull. (Which it seems like he's already staying considering he was still out recruiting even after Beaty got canned). I mean, if we are being honest, it seems like the only guy on Beaty's staff who can recruit at the level Miles will be wanting is Hull.

What I am hoping is that Miles knows 3 or 4 or 10 Hulls. Miles recruited his ass off at LSU. I expect to see recruiting to KU better than we ever could have imagined.

REMOVE THE TAINT OF BOWEN

What style of offense is Coach Miles going to run? Do we have a QB to run it? Is Carter Stanley the presumed starter for now?

@stoptheflop I'd bet that we go mobile QB and ball control starting next season. I expect either a JUCO QB to come in and start or him to zero in on LeGendre and try to sway him back to KU as a day 1 starter.

Signing Les is a bonus to our basketball program. What impact might this have on basketball recruiting? I'd say it won't hurt too much, not sure if it will help that much either.

stoptheflop said:

What style of offense is Coach Miles going to run? Do we have a QB to run it? Is Carter Stanley the presumed starter for now?

We’re going to line up in the I and smack people. At least some of the time. Based on personnel, I bet it’ll be more of a run heavy spread just because that’s the personnel we’ll have. Just based on Les’s past offenses, I bet we’ll be at least 60:40 run and Pooka may run for a gazillion yards.

@wissox I'd think it will at least make the Late Night official visits more fun because in the past they have taken the recruits to the football game the next day.

Nothing particularly against Bowen, but cleaning house means cleaning house. Clean house. A new day.

After hearing the litany of dirty SEC football coaches, assistant coaches, coaches wives, players, players next door neighbors, coaches best friends from the 3rd grade and so forth, i think we should just keep Beatty and be happy winning our 1 - 3 games per year for the rest of eternity...................

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@FarmerJayhawk That's the only way to do it. Pooka to the left...Pooka to the right ... shorten the game. Do the football version of the 4 corners. It might be a little ugly, but the wins will be really nice.

KUSTEVE said:

@FarmerJayhawk That's the only way to do it. Pooka to the left...Pooka to the right ... shorten the game. Do the football version of the 4 corners. It might be a little ugly, but the wins will be really nice.

Pooka can't carry it 30+ times per game all season. They need either multiple backs or some other threats, otherwise Pooka will be hurt five games into the season.

@justanotherfan Agreed, Pooka needs more carries than the 15 he got Saturday but not 30. He needs about 20 handoffs and about 5 passes per game. Herbert and Williams both should get carries as well.

@kjayhawks they are a great balance to pooka too!

There will be games where Pooka needs the ball 25 times and we control the tempo.

That was Beaty's problem. He wanted to go up tempo and try to be a "Big XII Offense" instead of bleeding the clock and giving us the best chance at a win. I don't think Les will have that issue.

@Kcmatt7 from everything I've heard about Miles is , that he is a hell of a recruiter. - -Was a pretty cool piece on him and what people were saying about his recruiting & just overall about his character and such overall - the guy sounds like a home run WAY over the left center field fence. - -former players - -talking about him how he is a players Coach . - -Talked about how he has had multiple top 10 recruiting classes. - -talked about how his worst class was like 14th in the Nation and that came in half of a recruiting cycle during a Coaching change

Would be nice to see if he can start getting some more talented plyers to come check us out - -recruit Texas really hard too on top of Louisiana - yet said he wouldn't restrict to certain areas

Like I said yesterday would be nice if he could check back in and possibly with the 4* QB that had committed to us verbal then back off maybe get him to think again - -

@justanotherfan Pooka to the left ...Pooka to the right...Pooka's backup to the left...Pooka's backup to the right... the point was we're going to run the ball a ton.

BADBALL ...FOR FOOTBALL...'THE EARL CAMPBELL SPECIAL...3 YARDS AND A CLOUD OF DUST"

So is it doable for Miles to sneak in a couple of 4 star guys in 2019 class? We only have 14 slots available if they are okay with keeping Mueller on. I'm a little scared with how he said the Juco level was great kansas to get help quick. I have no doubt that he is light years smarter than Weis or Beaty but that is scary with how that was a big factor in current scholarship numbers. Several former Miles players have came out and spoke very highly of him including Odell Beckham JR and Lenard Fournette. I think that could help in getting on some recruits radars.

@kjayhawks He said that JUCOs were for emergency gap fills.

Basically laid out his plan like this (at least how I understood it):
- Recruit in 500 mile radius.
- Any positions not landed in said radius, look for in Texas, Louisiana and California.
- Any starting positions missing after that, fill with JUCO kids. Maybe a couple a year. Not double digit numbers.

kjayhawks said:

So is it doable for Miles to sneak in a couple of 4 star guys in 2019 class? We only have 14 slots available if they are okay with keeping Mueller on. I'm a little scared with how he said the Juco level was great kansas to get help quick. I have no doubt that he is light years smarter than Weis or Beaty but that is scary with how that was a big factor in current scholarship numbers. Several former Miles players have came out and spoke very highly of him including Odell Beckham JR and Lenard Fournette. I think that could help in getting on some recruits radars.

Mangino went very heavy on JuCo recruiting at the beginning of his tenure. Most of the starters on that 2003 bowl team came from the JuCo ranks. Not quite as many, but a lot of starters on the 2005 bowl team were also JuCo players. It wasn't until the 2004 and 2005 classes where Mangino started scaling back on JuCo recruiting.

@Texas-Hawk-10 Right and I'm not saying it can't work but I doubt MM had the lack of numbers we currently do when he started.

Do we still have the coach with Louisiana ties, Hull I think his name is?

@wissox I think people mentioned the desire to retain only Hull, of our existing assistants, on Miles' staff.

I am going to give some respect to this year's coaching staff for taking a large, smoking heap of ash four years ago and getting it to this point. That is not easy.

Sure, we need a new staff to build on this and take it to a championship level. But Beaty, Bowen and co. did something positive for the program after several predecessors left it in ruins.

Also-- the way they have handled this situation is respectable. They have been professional and continued to do their job. They haven't quit and they haven't let the team quit.

@bskeet This them is vastly improved from year one and even a year ago. They have lacked the discipline to finish games. The big issue with Beaty outside of not finishing games is, he has not helped the Scholarship numbers in anyway. If we get a few guys that transfer out, the numbers will be less than he started with. He used way to many grey/blue shirts like with Fontana, Wallace and Feder this season. A grey/blue shirt is a transfer that counts against the next years class. He also pushed some talented guys out that weren't playing that have moved on and are doing great. He only has 11 of his original class that had 25 players in it, only one of which is to the NFL.

The biggest challenge for Les Miles is to take control of the NE Kansas/NW Missouri area from a recruiting standpoint. The stretch between Warrensburg and Topeka, anchored by Kansas City, stretching north to St. Joseph and south to Ottawa or so doesn't produce talent like DFW, Harris County (Houston) or Dade County (Miami), but it's a starting point.

I think Miles has some ideas up his sleeve, and he has more credibility than anyone that has coached at KU, KSU or Mizzou probably ever, so he has a chance to move KU immediately to the top of the heap with local recruiting. That may not pay off with the class of 2019, but it should start paying off in 2020.

@justanotherfan I think its there for the taking at this point. KSU seems to be going in the opposite direction of KU and Mizzou hasn't really done a whole heck of a lot recently. Kansas must start getting the talent in Kansas and Missouri.

justanotherfan said:

KUSTEVE said:

@FarmerJayhawk That's the only way to do it. Pooka to the left...Pooka to the right ... shorten the game. Do the football version of the 4 corners. It might be a little ugly, but the wins will be really nice.

Pooka can't carry it 30+ times per game all season. They need either multiple backs or some other threats, otherwise Pooka will be hurt five games into the season.

Right, and he won’t. RB is the deepest part of the roster now, assuming Herbert and Dom come back.

I'm just shell shocked. Might have to go into the bomb shelter? KU getting serious about Football. Is the sky falling? Has the rapture taken place and I missed out? Did I wake up into some alter universe?

@DoubleDD I'm excited for KU football again. It's the first time in many years.

KUSTEVE said:

@DoubleDD I'm excited for KU football again. It's the first time in many years.

Well can't swear to this - - -- BUT - - just read a piece , couldn't read it all cause it was VIP- -but the tid bit sounds really encourgaging.

This already relating with Les :it's about the 4 star recruit right here in Kansas -his name is Turner Corcoran , stated he might be the best player in the state of Kansas - -well we have seen in the past how things work out with in state big time recruits , they usually bolt for out of state Schools - -or to K-State right?

Well he stated: - -he Really is charged about Miles -- really likes him - & hoping that KU Coordinator is able to be retained at KU. - Don't know about you but sure sounds like A huge plus with Miles coming in and keeping Tony

@jayballer73

He's being recruited by Ohio State and Nebraska among others. He's from Free State in Lawrence.

@jayballer73 Corcoran is a 2020 recruit. He's an offensive lineman so he's probably referring to AJ Rickers the OLine coach.

With progress Rickers has made with the OLine this year, I wouldn't be opposed to keeping him as well.

Miles is the poster child for rebuilds. He will make an immediate impact, like a tidal wave. He's at his best when he's fixing broken toys. This reminds me of the Larry Brown hire. Tidal wave.

@DoubleDD I've read your post several times and it still makes me chuckle.

@approxinfinity When Larry Brown was named coach, we almost couldn't believe it. To go from Ted Owens to Larry was almost unreal, almost like going from David Beaty to Les Miles.

@KUSTEVE

...and he left KU on probation...like UCLA before and SMU afterwards. Brown is a great basketball mind and coach but as a program manager he is toxic; let’s hope Miles is not anything like him in this respect.

JayHawkFanToo said:

@KUSTEVE

...and he left KU on probation...like UCLA before and SMU afterwards. Brown is a great basketball mind and coach but as a program manager he is toxic; let’s hope Miles is not anything like him in this respect.

Miles doesn't have that history like Brown does/did.

In fact, Miles has not just been a good coach - he has been a program builder. Oklahoma State would not be where they are today without Miles' tenure.

LSU had as good a period of sustained success under Miles as anyone, including Nick Saban.

I don't know whether he can do that at KU, but he's as well suited as anyone to try. The question, more than anything else, is how long his KU tenure will be. I believe he will be successful, but can he train a KU version of Mike Gundy over the next 5-7 years while he rebuilds the program? Gundy took what Miles built at OSU and has taken the Cowboys to a bowl in every season but his first, has six double digit win seasons and has even won a conference title. That level of success at KU would be a dream come true to be sure. If Miles builds a foundation that leads to that, his hire will have been an absolute home run.

@KUSTEVE I believe it! I'm excited. I haven't endured as much suffering as the longstanding diehard Kansas football fans, but I watched a good deal since 2007. This is going to be really fun!

@JayHawkFanToo I don't think you read my post- you just saw the name Larry Brown, and started swinging. My point was the excitement generated by a new coaching hire rivals when Larry was hired. I assume you would set aside your Brown bashing to simply acknowledge that KU fans were very excited when Larry Brown was hired as coach.

@KUSTEVE

It was a big improvement over Owens but cautious based on his time at UCLA. Disappointed in him for leaving KU on probation and very disappointed more recently when I found out the real extent of the violation and KU was a whisker away from getting the death penalty...it was a hell of a lot more than just one plane ticket as originally reported. I have posted before that I would prefer there is zero association with him. You will notice he was advising Silvio’s guardians and look what happened. IMHO, Brown is radioactive.

@justanotherfan I think Miles is better suited as a builder, like he was at OSU, than a sustainer, like he was at LSU. He used to punk OU, and got the Okie state believing in OSU football again . He'll be a natural underdog, and love every second of it. At LSU, you lose 3 games in a year, and your job is on the line. Here, if all he loses is 3 games, he'll be a hero. At first I thought he might rebuild us, and then take off. But the more I look at the situation, he might just thrive here, and not want to leave. No pressure, and he gets to be the hero again. This is a generational hire, which should turn the entire program around.

ok Question. - - off the phog , they had a thread running that asking people - - what they though next years opening attendance would be for our 1st game. - -almost to the person said we would sell out. -- So let's hear from here - - -what do you think? - -I have to agree with the sell out , or if not I'm looking at 50,000 anyways - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer73 Supposedly season ticket holds are already calling in to renew and several former members of the Williams fund are looking to get back in from what I've seen and heard. Our attendance will be the highest its been since at least 2010 next season.

@JayHawkFanToo You haven't dissuaded me into not remembering how excited everyone was when Larry was hired. Which was my point. What Larry did after he was hired is completely irrelevant to the point I was making. Whether you love Larry, or hate Larry, he changed our entire program in 5 years that has lasted 35+ years. No doubt, it is much easier to look back 35 years, and conclude we could've hired this guy or that guy, and not had the baggage that Larry carried around. But that is not what happened. Whether you like it or not, Larry saved our program. Our basketball team was in worse shape than the current football team, based on expectations, when Larry came aboard. No doubt, our 1 year of probation in the last 36 years represents a stain. But to wipe Larry out of our history, and pretend he didn't have a tremendous positive impact in ways that still help our program even today, is a re-write of history I'm not willing to make.

kjayhawks said:

@jayballer73 Supposedly season ticket holds are already calling in to renew and several former members of the Williams fund are looking to get back in from what I've seen and heard. Our attendance will be the highest its been since at least 2010 next season.

Exactly what I'm hearing my friend. - -I mean buddy I know has been proven on the field yet , nd I'll say this again , I really like Beaty - -I know his love is geninue for KU , it's just he was in over his head, and I truly hope he succeeds wherever he lands.

But buddy can you feel it? - -can't you just feel the buzz ? - the excitement in the air again? - It is really hard for me to try and check my excitement in check. What a feeling it will be to come to the Stadium and see all the Crimson and Blue -can you feel it? -- Were Alive. - In reality if he can get a couple of 4 star even high 3 for the coming season - I feel we are truly made our 1st step to recovery.

I've already gotten the permission from the wife to come back - -and AGAIN become a voice at the stadium lol -- dam dude I just about wet myself when I think about it. - -If we could sway what was his name that 4 * QB that had committed to us? Maybe get a few to change their minds - - I'm ready buddy-- Are You ? - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@KUSTEVE

Chill out. I simply stated that I hope Les does not leave KU on probation like Brown did. I really made no comment on how excited any one was or was not.

Our basketball team was in worse shape than the current football team, based on expectations, when Larry came aboard.

If you really think that is the case, I want whatever is that you are drinking.

KU was not an elite programs when Brown came in but it still was a pretty good program; the football programs is the worst of all P5 programs without a doubt.. Brown won a very unlikely title but Williams and Self are the ones that made KU Elite once again. Like I said, Brown has an amazing basketball mind and is a great coach but, based on his track record, I prefer he is not associated with the KU program, I guess we just agree to disagree.

boy already seeing signs since Les came on board. -saw where a 4 star Wide receiver has always like Les Miles name Chris Hightower - -a 3 star line backer is interested looks like - then like I mentioned Turner Corcoran - -talking about things. - -Not saying we going to land these guys when the time comes but ALREADY seeing interested from players -- you got to feel good about thIngs - -maybe FINALLY going to see a little bit of a peak of sunshine headed this way - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

kjayhawks said:

@jayballer73 Supposedly season ticket holds are already calling in to renew and several former members of the Williams fund are looking to get back in from what I've seen and heard. Our attendance will be the highest its been since at least 2010 next season.

I understand opioid use is down in Lawrence as people anticipate easing of their pain.

follow up on the two possibles I mentioned. - the 4 * wide receiver out of Arkansas said: the Hiring of Les Miles hiring --- opens Doorway to KU - - -the 3 * LB - -said he grew up loving LSU football and has been a fan of Les Miles. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Les Miles has a Dos Equis ad? Awesome!

@Gorilla72 Yeah I just saw that. Cool !

@JayHawkFanToo Has Les ever been on probation before?

@BShark

No, and I hope he does not start now. If ant place can tempt a coach to take shortcuts to improve from its current condition, KU would be it.

Well, everyone is doing it. What should we expect from Miles. We just want him to win right?

@JayHawkFanToo

I assume based on what you've said about Brown then that you are as nervous as I am whenever he is around. He and CS have seemed pretty tight over the years. There's definitely a part of me that has never liked that.

@cragarhawk

Yes, Brown was Coach Self's mentor so they will always have that relationship. He does some scouting with Coach Self and from the basketball perspective I am sure he is a good person to have but from the administrative part he makes me very nervous.

Well wonder exactly how much fire there is behind the smoke? UNC Coach - -Fedora - -lots of talk about him coming to KU to be Miles OC.

According to Brett Fredlauder - -Will be Les 1st hire. - - -( Run heavy spread guy ) - -with some spread option - depending on situation -AnyBody? - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Does anyone know if any other school in the NCAA have 2 active coaches with a ring in football and basketball?

Statmachine said:

Does anyone know if any other school in the NCAA have 2 active coaches with a ring in football and basketball?

MIZZOU

Bwaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahah......I crack myself up.

Statmachine said:

Does anyone know if any other school in the NCAA have 2 active coaches with a ring in football and basketball?

North Carolina now.

@Woodrow

I was just about to type that, but you beat me to it.

Man I have some short comings -- I know that , BUT dammit man -wouldn't you think Les would have the guys for his Coach's lined up by now or is at least done pondering them and now trying to get them on board and get this thing rolling?

he needs to be getting the guys out and hittin the trail and trying to get some guys on board. - He gonna lose what little advantage he has for what's left - -or for flipping some guys - -we need to Rock - -let's get going see whats still available. - -we gotta get rollin.- -ready to see some names.

So do we think Pooka will come back? - -he would be a big boost getting him to stay. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer73 It's entirely possible Miles choices for coordinators are still this weekend. Alabama's QB coach is one of the rumored names to be OC so he wouldn't be available to be announced until after today. If it's Jedd Fisch, he may not be available to commit to KU full time until January.

Thank God Vick came thru in the clutch, it would’ve been a bad omen having lost with Les in the house after being announced at the half.

kjayhawks said:

Thank God Vick came thru in the clutch, it would’ve been a bad omen having lost with Les in the house after being announced at the half.

Did they announce him at the half? - - I didn't watch that

@jayballer73 The bird mascot presented him with some Kansas grass to chew on.

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I sure wish Coach Miles had spent Saturday afternoon hiring top quality assistant coaches and recruiting players instead of hanging around Allen Fieldhouse. Is anyone else surprised by the lack of announcements of coaches and recruits by this time? He's likely known since Long was hired last summer that he was going to be KU's next coach. On the positive side, he's very young looking for 65. 10-15 years younger by looks.

@stoptheflop

I am not surprised. Many of the candidates are likely coaching teams that are still playing and announcements will not happen until they are done; just professional courtesy.

@JayHawkFanToo Do you think any KU representative is actively recruiting? As far as I know, only Miles is employed by KU Football. We need a QB, defensive linemen, linebackers, wide receivers and on and on. If I was Coach Miles, I would have already announced the retention of Tony Hull and had him out recruiting.

JayHawkFanToo said:

@stoptheflop

I am not surprised. Many of the candidates are likely coaching teams that are still playing and announcements will not happen until they are done; just professional courtesy.

It is considered an acceptable practice to hire an assistant away between the end of the regular season and a team's bowl game. Some coaches choose to stay with their previous team through the bowl game, some leave for their new job immediately, and some double dip.

That said, the names currently being tossed around the most to fill the coordinator spots are Jeff Monken who is the current offensive coordinator for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Monken was the Oklahoma State OC in 2011 for that team that won the Big 12 and put up 7,000 yards of offense. He was also on staff at LSU under Miles for 2 years and was previously the HC at So. Miss where he turned around the Golden Eagles.

At DC, there are two names being g rumored strongly for the job. One is Phil Bennett who was most recently the DC ar Arizona State under Todd Graham. The knock on him is his ties to the Art Briles scandal at Baylor as he was Briles DC for a long time as well.

The other name being rumored the strongest along with Bennett is Clint Bowen. The defense was better this year and Bowen did make significant changes to his scheme this year, so we'll see. My thoughts on that are I'd rather see a new face take over the defense and let Bowen prove himself elsewhere first and then come back later on if he's successful elsewhere.

There are also 4 other assistants rumored to be in serious consideration to be retained along with Bowen. RB coach Tony Hull, WR coach Justin Johnson, OLine coach AJ Ricker, and TE/FB coach Garrett Riley.

That could also be a reason why Miles hasn't announced any hires yet officially because he is retaining some of the current staff who are handling the recruiting while Miles finalizes his coordinators.

@stoptheflop

As far as I know, Beaty is the only one that has been told he will not be coaching, all the other coaches and personnel are still technically employed and should be doing what is expected of their positions. I read somewhere that Bowen and Hull have been recruiting.