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Beat the Terriers!

I hope DJ Lawson plays well tonight!

Three white kids starting for Wofford.

There will be 3's.

Eglseder alert

Nice Dotson

Dotson aint afraid of the hedge

Grimes needs to drive

like that only make it

Good shot by Grimes. Needs to finish.

Doke needs to box out.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Doke needs to box out.

Bill with the hook for that.

Bye Doke

We're only down two. that's good.

I think Vick has sat enough. Let's get our only 3-point shooter into the game.

Lucky to be down 2.

Doke has never boxed out, and whatever Vick did to not start, we've suffered enough

approxinfinity said:

Bye Doke

We say this too much

Can we not look like ass to start games?

What's up with Vick? Throat slash gesture get him pine?

approxinfinity said:

Can we not look like ass to start games?

no

approxinfinity said:

What's up with Vick? Throat slash gesture get him pine?

Late to shoot-around.

BeddieKU23 said:

Lucky to be down 2.

Agree. Offense stale yet again.

approxinfinity said:

What's up with Vick? Throat slash gesture get him pine?

Late to shootaround

VIck will be out 10 minutes

approxinfinity said:

Can we not look like ass to start games?

No kidding. I was just thinking how teams of past used to start home games and blitz teams, apply pressure, and make the opponent feel a little uneasy.

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

Lucky to be down 2.

Agree. Offense stale yet again.

Too much passing.

BeddieKU23 said:

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

Lucky to be down 2.

Agree. Offense stale yet again.

Too much passing.

No assists to show for it either. Need to attack.

Nice job Mitch

Lightfoot with the go-to Duke play.

I'm more and more impressed with Dedric every game

My son asked a good question when watching OU. Would they have more points with trae young on team? They had 40 at half against Notre dame. My guess is no.

Yuck, Charlie.

@KirkIsMyHinrich HIS NAME IS CHUCK

I'm about to take a nap until the game starts

I get teaching Vick a lesson but man, Chuck coming in first? No bueno.

This game kind of reminds me of playing Davidson in 08.

KJ in before Vick too. We get it Bill.

Here comes vick. Self horrified by Garrett hitting a three

Nice pass, KJ.

Can dotson dunk?

DanR said:

Can dotson dunk?

Maybe. It's not likely to happen though.

BShark said:

I get teaching Vick a lesson but man, Chuck coming in first? No bueno.

I think Vick's punishment for being late is that he has to run sprints until Doke makes 100 free throws. Ya?

Uh oh, Doke

DAMN IT MARCUS

Dotson got swag today.

Oh damn.

approxinfinity said:

Dotson got swag today.

Dotson always has swag.

FURK

DMac time.

@BShark maybe extra swag? My hawk to rock.

What just happened

Ankle injury

He tried to block a baseline 10 footer and rolled ankle

BeddieKU23 said:

Ankle injury

Yep. Hope it's nothing severe. DAVE TIME.

Twitter is saying barely putting weight on leg

Doke's ankles look more like thighs

KJ's second really good pass.

That is not good.

Big Dave is READY TO PLAY

LOL Dave

DAVE IS ALRIGHT

I for one welcome our new wild giant

Hope Dokes ok

Never fault energy

Dotson should have given that to Grimes but I'm glad he made it work.

Dotson is amazing

@approxinfinity "Wild Giant" is right. I'd upvote that a few more times if I could!

approxinfinity said:

Hope Dokes ok

Looked serious

Man, we are pretty good when we play defense and get out in transition.

Looked like a dislocated ankle. Might be done for the year.

Let's remember that Dave is a 5-star big man. He isn't just a hustle guy. The kid can play.

Woodrow said:

Looked like a dislocated ankle. Might be done for the year.

No way. If it's dislocated, he'd be back in a couple months maybe even slightly less.

Grimes playing some good D

That looked like Dave was fouled.

Also, nice to see KU trying on defense.

KJ is handing out dimes tonight! Finish that, Dave.

Lol Dave you be you man

What the Vick?

I have to say that the defense looks a lot better tonight.

PLAYING DEFENSE??!?!?!

KJ is awesome today.

KJ needs to play more

Vick you are getting out hustled!

This lineup has Wooford really out of sync.

More Dave and KJ, less Mitch and Charlie.

Grimes doing great

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

More Dave and KJ, less Mitch and Charlie.

PREACH

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

More Dave and KJ, less Mitch and Charlie.

Agreed

That last shot by KJ was you better hit this because Self will bench you if you don't material.

@BShark that's exactly what I was thinking. Ball hog move, but it went in.

@Woodrow KJ's doing well. If he played lock down d maybe he could get some Marcus minutes. Is Self going to scale down Q minutes for a bit? I doubt it

Wofford is shooting 1/7 from 3. So far so good

It's not a home-run hire. It's a touchdown.

approxinfinity said:

@Woodrow KJ's doing well. If he played lock down d maybe he could get some Marcus minutes. Is Self going to scale down Q minutes for a bit? I doubt it

KJ tries really hard on D but ultimately he is slow so some guys would torch him pretty bad. Kinda match-up dependent on that end.

Oh god Kj

approxinfinity said:

Oh god Kj

I literally just said it too.

The Weasley twin was flexing after that play!

:/

Chuck and Mitch. Brace yourselves.

It's not all about you, Vick

Yuck, Vick.

Oh boy.

Why the hell is Big Dave out?

Cancel this line-up.

Wofford going on a run...

Great pass!

sigh

BShark said:

Woodrow said:

Looked like a dislocated ankle. Might be done for the year.

No way. If it's dislocated, he'd be back in a couple months maybe even slightly less.

A dislocated ankle is 3 months in a best case scenario. Sincerely, someone who has done that multiple times.

A dislocated ankle more than likely will require surgery to repair (both of mine did), 4-6 weeks in a boot post surgery, and about 3 months of no cutting or other change of direction activities.

If it's dislocated, it's closer to 4-5 months because of his size and what he needs to able to do to be effective.

Lucky to not be down 10 after this horrible stretch

CHUCK

I think Dedric has the worst rim luck in the country.

Take Charlie out please.

this looks like a bad pickup game

Kansas going to the line for their first free-throw of the game.

I’d like for someone to ask Self why Moore plays and on top of that why he has the greenest of green lights .

Texas Hawk 10 said:

BShark said:

Woodrow said:

Looked like a dislocated ankle. Might be done for the year.

No way. If it's dislocated, he'd be back in a couple months maybe even slightly less.

A dislocated ankle is 3 months in a best case scenario. Sincerely, someone who has done that multiple times.

A dislocated ankle more than likely will require surgery to repair (both of mine did), 4-6 weeks in a boot post surgery, and about 3 months of no cutting or other change of direction activities.

If it's dislocated, it's closer to 4-5 months because of his size and what he needs to able to do to be effective.

Didn't think of how big he is. Also I am trying to remember pretty far back to personal experience so I could very easily be remembering wrong.

Well, that sure would suck majorly then.

Woodrow said:

I’d like for someone to ask Self why Moore plays and on top of that why he has the greenest of green lights .

And why Dave doesn't play

Woodrow said:

I’d like for someone to ask Self why Moore plays and on top of that why he has the greenest of green lights .

Chuck gives himself the green light.

If Doke's ankle was dislocated, would they snap it back in place and let him walk off the court?

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Kansas going to the line for their first free-throw of the game.

Insane.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Woodrow said:

I’d like for someone to ask Self why Moore plays and on top of that why he has the greenest of green lights .

And why Dave doesn't play

Also insane. He's a lot better than Mitchy.

Lazy defense, Vick.

I WANT DAVE

Make up call

I’d really like for Seld to draw some play (s) up for Q. Get him the ball in the post. Do anything.

6 to 6 to start

then a 13 to 6 run us

then 9 to 12

Okay refs.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

I WANT DAVE

Me too.

Poor rebounding effort tonight.

Best two minutes of the game were when the Wild Giant was in

Kareem with the sky-hook. Blocked by Chamberlain. Oh wait... no...

Moral of the story, Dave is better than Dedric so far

Clock stopped

The reason Wafford isn't shooting the three well is because our defense has been good. Haven't given them very many open looks at all.

Good lord this team can't shoot.

HawkChamp said:

The reason Wafford isn't shooting the three well is because our defense has been good. Haven't given them very many open looks at all.

Agree, I've been impressed with this.

Grimes and Garrett have really played good defense tonight.

approxinfinity said:

Moral of the story, Dave is better than Dedric so far

Now this I would calm down on lol.

But Dave can absolutely play and should play more.

Good D, but the offense is SHT

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Grimes and Garrett have really played good defense tonight.

SHOCKED by how solid Grimes has been on D. Just hasn't done much offensively.

Well, bill, you could put Dave back in to get some boards instead of KJ

@DanR I like good offense and making shots, but good defense is what I really want to see.

Keep up the same effort on D and just be a little more effective on offense and this can be a win.

Friends I’m fairly worried Doke broke something there and just made our season a lot tougher.

Self said it was a high ankle sprain for Doke

They said its a high ankle sprain, out indefinitely.

DanR said:

Self said it was a high ankle sprain for Doke

PRAISE THE SUN GOD AMON-RA if true.

Where is the high ankle? I've never understood that.

Doke with a high ankle sprain. Silvio would be nice about now.

Could they X-Ray that quickly? I mean surely not...

The replay looked like it wasn’t facing right, be very lucky if no ligament damage or breaks from what I’ve seen.

High ankle sprain is not good.
http://www.aofas.org/footcaremd/conditions/ailments-of-the-ankle/pages/high-ankle-sprain.aspx ↗

HawkChamp said:

Doke with a high ankle sprain. Silvio would be nice about now.

I mean, we have Dave if Self would play him more. Dave is really good, just needs some more experience at this level. Confidence will also come with playing more.

Chuck Moore is really struggling with his shot. Through this half he's 6/23 or 23%. From 3, Chuck's 2/14 or 14%. But, a shooter has to shoot his way out of a slump.

I guess the question is was Dave better than Doke in the first half?

approxinfinity said:

High ankle sprain is not good.
http://www.aofas.org/footcaremd/conditions/ailments-of-the-ankle/pages/high-ankle-sprain.aspx ↗

He'd be ready for the NCAAT.

approxinfinity said:

I guess the question is was Dave better than Doke in the first half?

I would argue yes. 13-6 with Dave in.

Here's an explanation on the high ankle sprain (OW).

A high ankle sprain, also known as a syndesmotic ankle sprain (SAS), is a sprain of the syndesmotic ligaments that connect the tibia and fibula in the lower leg, thereby creating a mortise and tenon joint for the ankle. High ankle sprains are described as high because they are located above the ankle. They comprise approximately 15% of all ankle sprains.[1] Unlike the common lateral ankle sprains, when ligaments around the ankle are injured through an inward twisting, high ankle sprains are caused when the lower leg and foot externally rotates (twists out).

approxinfinity said:

approxinfinity said:

I guess the question is was Dave better than Doke in the first half?

I would argue yes. 13-6 with Dave in.

Dave is good and should play more.

Dave is 1 for 4 from FT for the season. Thats gotta get better with a larger sample set, right? :joy:

Announcer is right, rebounds have strangely hurt KU tonight.

Dave reminds a lot of T-Rob. He'll be a very good player and a very high ceiling, but he's very Raw at this point. When the game slows down for him and he starts refining his game, he'll be a 20-10 type of player, probably by his junior year.

This year, we'll see his energy, but he will be out of control a lot as well like with that mishandled attempted dunk that he was lucky to make because of nobody around him. He'll get rebounds, but his scoring this year will mostly be second chance points and lobs.

@Texas-Hawk-10 So who gets most of Doke's minutes? KJ? Garrett? Mitch?

High ankle sprain is gonna linger all year for Doke.

KU is 1/10 from 3. Yikes. And Vick hasn't even attempted a 3. Wofford is 2/9, so both teams are struggling.

Texas Hawk 10 said:

Dave reminds a lot of T-Rob. He'll be a very good player and a very high ceiling, but he's very Raw at this point. When the game slows down for him and he starts refining his game, he'll be a 20-10 type of player, probably by his junior year.

This year, we'll see his energy, but he will be out of control a lot as well like with that mishandled attempted dunk that he was lucky to make because of nobody around him. He'll get rebounds, but his scoring this year will mostly be second chance points and lobs.

I'd pretty much agree with this. I think with Doke out rebounding and garbage buckets are good enough to where he should get more tick.

Lageralds season 3p% is higher than his fg% lol

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approxinfinity said:

@Texas-Hawk-10 So who gets most of Doke's minutes? KJ? Garrett? Mitch?

Dave should see an uptick in minutes while Doke is out.

I wouldn't be shocked if Self kept it primarily a 4 guard look with Dedric the lone big until Doke gets back while mixing in some two big looks with Mitch and Dave rotating. I think Garrett would probably be the new starter on Saturday replacing Doke in the line up.

OU had a nice win over ND.

@BShark Doke does two things: 1) Dunks and 2) freaks out the opponents. Doesn't rebound, block shots, screen or play d

Dedric is the rim protector. Ugh

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Halftime box score.

REBOUNDING

A total embarrassment.

Put Dave in coach, geez.

DanR said:

@BShark Doke does two things: 1) Dunks and 2) freaks out the opponents. Doesn't rebound, block shots, screen or play d

Doke has always been a very poor rebounder for his size.

Poor offense for KU yet again. A bunch of "hero" ball.

DanR said:

Dedric is the rim protector. Ugh

Dedric is a good defender and rebounder. He won't block a ton of shots, but he'll make shots harder for people.

Nobody can rebound

that little woofer kid will probably hit his next 10 threes.

Post defense exposed without Doke

This is an ugly brand of basketball we're playing.

The 3 point bricklaying contest might have to do with the weird rebound discrepancy... all long rebounds.

BeddieKU23 said:

Nobody can rebound

This is the key to this game shockingly.

Rebound and this is a blowout.

Theres another one. Long rebound.

Dotson doing the things!

Should've been on time

NICE

Sweet

Wow. Do more of that!

Wofford is getting half their misses. They have 15 offensive boards and KU has 15 defensive boards.

Those are the threes I want Dotson shooting. Wide open.

All right, Grimes. That's how you do it.

@BShark He had to catch it and draw it across his body before shooting. wasnt as easy as a typical catch and shoot.

@DanR playing good D, not worrying about his O

Huge run. Wow

Self, please don't put Charlie in right now.

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@DanR playing good D, not worrying about his O

Exactly.

@DanR :100:

DanR said:

Self, please don't put Charlie in right now.

That was great timing

DanR said:

Self, please don't put Charlie in right now.

Or ever again outside of blowouts really.

BShark said:

DanR said:

Self, please don't put Charlie in right now.

Or ever again outside of blowouts really.

That works as well

@BShark When Devon got his 2nd foul and went to bench, I was thinking Charlie's not so bad when there are foul problems. Can handle that.

Did Charlie even hit rim?

Interesting Self put Marcus on Jackson after he was killing Dedric and it has worked so far.

Woodrow said:

Interesting Self put Marcus on Jackson after he was killing Dedric and it has worked so far.

Garrett is our best defender period at any position.

BeddieKU23 said:

Did Charlie even hit rim?

Not sure.

Flop

@Woodrow Dedrics defense isn’t worth a crap

CLOWN CALL

jinx! he's gonna miss this ft

kjayhawks said:

@Woodrow Dedrics defense isn’t worth a crap

Calm down.

I'll admit, That guy can shoot free throws

Lol. Wow that was automatic.

Third three of the year again.

@BeddieKU23 @KirkIsMyHinrich

kjayhawks said:

@Woodrow Dedrics defense isn’t worth a crap

I don't remember him being this bad the rest of the year on defense. Not saying he's elite, but seems like he's been decent most of the year though.

Texas Hawk 10 said:

kjayhawks said:

@Woodrow Dedrics defense isn’t worth a crap

I don't remember him being this bad the rest of the year on defense. Not saying he's elite, but seems like he's been decent most of the year though.

He is what I would call acceptable on D.

@BShark Dedric plays d with his hands not so much with his feet.

4 on big red

Another bad stretch after it looked like maybe KU was doing better.

Let's put in big Dave and see the lead grow.

what are we shooting, 25% overall?

How disgusted should we be at this point?

That may have been a flagrant if we had last game's crew tonight.

Was Self in the bathroom while Big Dave was wrecking the place earlier?

@DanR !0_1543976558489_Screenshot 2018-12-04 21.22.20.png ↗

Can anyone make a basket?

Rebounding is the biggest issue tonight by far. Three point shooting is 2nd.

I would say Self is worried about perimeter defense more than rebounding, which is why he's not playing Dave. But still. Play Dave.

Big Dave can cover the entire perimeter the way he's amped up

I feel lucky they haven’t hit a shot

I've been saying since summer this team would have times where they struggle on offense because they didn't have multiple 3 point threats. It allows the defense to pack the paint and make the team work harder to get a good look which they're not doing very well tonight. This team needs to passing around the perimeter and working the ball to the 3rd and even 4th side to get Dedric, Doke, and Dave good looks under the basket.

Up 3. Woohoo

Texas Hawk 10 said:

I've been saying since summer this team would have times where they struggle on offense because they didn't have multiple 3 point threats. It allows the defense to pack the paint and make the team work harder to get a good look which they're not doing very well tonight. This team needs to passing around the perimeter and working the ball to the 3rd and even 4th side to get Dedric, Doke, and Dave good looks under the basket.

@KirkIsMyHinrich and I were also beating this drum.

Uh oh. Chuck.

He was Charlie on that one.

Atta boy

I think Garrett has a third arm that he hides in his jersey

Finish Grimes, damn.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Finish Grimes, damn.

Love the effort though.

That’s what Q needs to do. Drive the ball.

I like that Grimes has been more aggressive looking to drive. Nice

WTH

Nice rim

DanR said:

I think Garrett has a third arm that he hides in his jersey

Maybe that third hand is messing up the rotation on his outside shot?

SCREW OFF REF

And 1

The ball movement with this team is terrible unbelievable terrible

Devon is a star.

kjayhawks said:

The ball movement with this team is terrible unbelievable terrible

Looks like a Calipari team. They need time together.

I'm on the Dotson fan bandwagon for sure

Dotson is the only consistent guard KU has.

Out anyway! Standing there

When we move the ball, our offense looks really good.

Dedric with the swat!

Vick show up?

Feed the old guy

LOL that sequence.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Dotson is the only consistent guard KU has.

I would argue Garrett is consistent.

BShark said:

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Dotson is the only consistent guard KU has.

I would argue Garrett is consistent.

At not shooting well?

Alright alright

I like these pokes

LETS TALK ABOUT DEVON

Grimes needs a game like this. He's been great.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

BShark said:

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Dotson is the only consistent guard KU has.

I would argue Garrett is consistent.

At not shooting well?

Yes. And playing elite defense.

@DanR crims called this🤯

Dotson is unreal

BShark said:

LETS TALK ABOUT DEVON

Absolutely balling tonight.

BeddieKU23 said:

Dotson is unreal

Two years. I HOPE.

Devon Dotson > Tre Jones

KU 7 TOs; Wofford 15 TOs.

@BShark He's sort of small, so we might get him for four years, like BIFM

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Devon Dotson > Tre Jones

There is no doubt. Best PG in the class.

DanR said:

@BShark He's sort of small, so we might get him for four years, like BIFM

Unfortunately, no.

Goodness starting to wonder if Vick is gonna score in this one.

finally ran a play for Grimes!

Yes

Grimes!

THERE WAS THE LOB DAN

@kjayhawks is he there yet? Lesson learned hard way?

The Wiggins lob that KU ran 100 times against Oklahoma St.

Alright, alright, alright

So the defense tonight shows this team is pretty damn capable. Was Self screwing with us this whole time?

Nice game for Grimes. Keep em coming fella

He's playing a 4-1 lineup so the rotations are quicker I think. Also why Dave isn't playing (at least I hope).

@BShark this little wofford team is a badass. i'm impressed.

That's what happens when you play good D

Let's go Grimes

LOOOOOOOOOL

Well, it didn't take much to get Grimes going

I mean this is good defense by KU, but I think Wofford is taking some really bad shots too.

Grimes has stolen Vick’s mojo

"On Q"

I'm DEAD

Ok now! I'm stepping back from chuck!

@KirkIsMyHinrich defense

Look at Grimes go!!!

I posted on the Wofford thread Grimes would breakout tonight!!! Bingo!!!

Grimes might break a sweat before this is over

Good pass Q

QUENTIN IS BACK

@KirkIsMyHinrich great pass

Wow what a pass and catch from Grimes to Dedric

@HawkChamp not sure which was more impressive the pass or the catch

My mocking our lead of 3 embarrassed us into better performance. You’re welcome

Dotson is so fast.

Way to go fellas

You the man, @Bwag

Dotson is faster than Jesus.....on water

25 nottin run

Is Self adapting to the times and playing a 4-1 instead of a 3-2, or is it just because we're playing Wofford and Doke is hurt?

I'm old enough to remember when this game was close.

Self is happy first time this year during a game

25-0.....elite meter going off the charts.....

kjayhawks said:

Dotson is faster than Jesus.....on water

Well He was only walking.

What a run. Wow

@KirkIsMyHinrich we have been playing 4-1 a lot. We r so crowded

I think the lead is big enough that Dave can get some run. Please?

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Is Self adapting to the times and playing a 4-1 instead of a 3-2, or is it just because we're playing Wofford and Doke is hurt?

So, I mean with Doke hurt I think we see waaaay more of just one big.

This team looks pretty good when it's not relying on just one or two guys

Our NET ranking is going up on a tuesday

That was entertaining to watch. Grimes breaking ankles!

This is the team that was preseason #1. This is the best stretch this team has played all year.

I been saying all year folks, stick to the 4 guard line up!! It has worked better, just the way it is.

@kjayhawks since we started hitting

Texas Hawk 10 said:

This is the team that was preseason #1. This is the best stretch this team has played all year.

For 10 minutes

dotson reminds the announcer of Willie Wilson ...wtf? get out of kansas, buddy. you're seeing royals in your dreams

Imagine if KU could shoot 3's. They are 3-20.

I can't remember what game it was, but there was a game for Oubre when it just clicked. This is hopefully that game for Grimes.

Magee is 1/14 and 0/9 from 3 for 7 points. Welcome to Allen Fieldhouse Mr. Magee.

I’ve been at a grandkids school concert, was there any update after the high ankle sprain on Doke?

@Kubie nope

@Crimsonorblue22 if didn’t watch that’s the line up that won the last 2 games.

So what have we done differently w/boards? Took out K.J.?

Good lord, Charlie

Love the passing, though.

Dedric Lawson = an upgraded Perry Ellis.

DAVE!

Chuck doesn't scare up

There's a Teahan in the game

You guys see big Dave on the drums at late pm? Really good

Charlie thinks he's never gonna get the ball again . Kid Jack's shots like kobe

@BShark you said we'd lose, right!😍

I know we've beaten this to death tonight, but why the hell doesn't Dave play more?

Well, we survived that three point threat team OK

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@BShark you said we'd lose, right!😍

YES

@Crimsonorblue22 BILLY TRICKED ME. THIS TEAM CAN DEFEND THE 3PT LINE.

@KirkIsMyHinrich you think he wants to get the other 2 time together?

Quentin lives!!!

This game will be an interesting turning point in the season in many ways.

@BShark you are a dork! Change that avi

This might be the first game where KU has exceeded the predicted Kenpom margin. Maybe Marquette too I don't remember for sure.

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@BShark you are a dork! Change that avi

okay

This is the first game that I wasn't biting my finger nails near the end.

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@KirkIsMyHinrich you think he wants to get the other 2 time together?

Honestly not sure.

So, about the theory that we will live or die on 3 pt shooting.... Tonight, I'm leaning to the "preventing a basket is just as good as making one" but if Wofford had made more of their many 2nd chance opportunities, that theory wouldn't hold much water.

I told you we would see a better 3 point defense. Wofford shot 5 -26 from 3 or 19.2% and a couple of those came in garbage time.

@BShark keep the pirate hat. ahoy, matey!

Doke is really young and I think his pain tolerance is low. I hope he recovers quickly! Hopefully no break.

Vick, come on! Leader?

We finally saw a glimpse of the Grimes we were waiting for. :thumbsup_tone2:

In regards to Grimes, it was about this time of year the light came on for Kelly Oubre as well. Hopefully that's what this was for Grimes.

Texas Hawk 10 said:

Dedric Lawson = an upgraded Perry Ellis.

Better BB instincts, I think, is the reason. Both seem slow (maybe ponderous is a better word), but Perry always seemed to be figuring out where to move and telegraphed it all the time. DL just seems to have a great sense of how to move.

@KUSTEVE Too late.

@Kubie Last I heard "out indefinitely". Waiting on the post game update. High ankle sprain is not good.

@mayjay Dedric plays like a retired NBA player. Definitely has good skills and instincts!

@mayjay We looked like a real basketball team the 2nd half. A dominating, elite team with great passing and driving skills. Work of art. This wasn't Vick shooting 60% from 3 to bail us out- this was a sustained ass kicking to the tune of 25-0. This is what I've been waiting to see.

for my take in this games -- I think to me 3 things stuck out : - - #1 - - -Devon Dotson - -he was there when things we NOT going good , - -# 2 - - Marcus , the guy deserves some props - -ya sure has ugly shot - BUT on the defensive in the kid is a stud , quick hands pesky does a real good job - -got like 7-8 rebounds on top of that - -& #3 - - Seeing Quentin finally starting to show signs of coming out of this really bad slump.

The biggest concern of Course -is Doke - -they said high ankle sprain - -not good - -and we have Villanova coming in less then two weeks. - -we were getting our butt beat on the boards finally evened out some but mercy - -they were getting every dam rebound for awhile. - -ROCK CHALK AL DAY LONG BABY

@mayjay Perry is much more athletic. So far, better outside shooter.

Does any one recall a better run than the 27-0 we just watched?

Post game just said why Dave doesn't play more yet, he's still out of control too much to leave out there for long stretches. Once the game slows down for him, he'll be fine and see a major upswing in minutes.

@Crimsonorblue22 I don't disagree, but he didn't always use that athleticism well. Poor rebounding instincts, poor defender.

@JayHawkFanToo 22-0 run on Marquette earlier this year brought us back from behind six or eight

Did doke ever come out?

Every box score is an adventure. Vick and Doke with 0 points tonight and still a 25-point KU victory.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Every box score is an adventure. Vick and Doke with 0 points tonight and still a 25-point KU victory.

Going to be a lot more 0s for Doke... :( :( :(

@KirkIsMyHinrich Anyone think we would ever win a 13.3% 3 pt shooting game, let alone win by dbl digits, or conceive it could be by 25?!!

Ya that's really too bad. Get better soon, Doke.

@jayballer73 Coach said he hopes to have Dok back by Christmas.

And outrebounded by 9, with only 11 KU assists. Astounding.

Can you all imagine ESPN if Duke went on a 27-0 run in a close game?

BShark said:

Can you all imagine ESPN if Duke went on a 27-0 run in a close game?

Internet would break. Maybe not a bad thing...

BShark said:

Can you all imagine ESPN if Duke went on a 27-0 run in a close game?

They'd probably move Duke up to 6th or 7th place in the Eastern conference.

mayjay said:

@KirkIsMyHinrich Anyone think we would ever win a 13.3% 3 pt shooting game, let alone win by dbl digits, or conceive it could be by 25?!!

70% from 2. Wild.

Big Clyde52 said:

@jayballer73 Coach said he hopes to have Dok back by Christmas.

YA I heard, but you listening and I had just said -who would of ever thought with Doke being out - -Vick not scoring - -so zero points from Doke And Vick - - KU getting out rebounded by 10 -and we end up better them by 25 with all that going against us - -just crazy. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@BShark who's that guy?

Dedric should be the main really consistent guy box score wise. Though he didn't get any fta tonight which is very odd.

Plot Twist: Bill Self isn't playing Dave so that he stays at KU longer.

@jayballer73 Yeah plus we shot terrible from three. Thankfully they did too.

Self said he hopes to have Doke back before Christmas. They play Arizona St on the 22.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Plot Twist: Bill Self isn't playing Dave so that he stays at KU longer.

Nah. Dave is a 4 year guy basically regardless.

I know you are joking just wanted to mention this.

I just really don't understand why he doesn't play.

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@DanR

I was trying to figure out if the 27-0 run is close to a record.

JayHawkFanToo said:

@DanR

I was trying to figure out if the 27-0 run is close to a record.

It's not.

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@BShark

I was thinking more along the lines of a KU record.

Non-sequiter here, but where is Jaybate?

@Bosthawk nobody knows. Looks like he checked in sept something. There's also an email address listed w/his name. Anybody try it?

4 guards looked real nice...

@JayHawkFanToo Marquette ...UNC a couple times...UCLA a few years back...that last game with Misery in the 2nd half. i was trying to think of big runs, but nothing would top 27-0.The hallmark of a championship team is the ability to put together runs that simply blow teams away. We've done that to two teams in the last 3 games.The signs of an elite team are coming around. i know this might not be popular with some on here, but I think our team might play better w/o Doke against certain teams, especially Villanova.

@KUSTEVE It absolutely is better without Doke at times.

@KUSTEVE

It's all about match ups. Doke is perfect against certain opponents but ineffective against others. Luckily KU has great depth and versatility this season that can play many styles effectively and we saw last night how good it can be when everything is clicking. Wofford was supposed to be the team with the ideal skill set to beta KU and te they got destroyed. Teams will think twice now about trying to beat KU with the 3 and many will still try but we know now that KU has an effective plan to defend the 3...now, if we could hit some 3s...

@KUSTEVE There some match ups that are bad for Doke for sure but I think our post defense takes a huge hit with him on the bench. Even against Marquette and Tennessee we looked much better with him on the floor. The blessing in disguise is that David hopefully will get some minutes to help develop his game. Hopefully Doke is able to return without missing too many conference games. I rolled my ankle super hard as a junior, made a loud pop and swelled up so bad they had to cut off my shoe (I thought I broke something) but I was fine in a couple of weeks. No need to rush him back at this point even if we drop a few games in the non conference its not the end of the world.

@JayHawkFanToo Doke is killer against the right teams. I have a question then .. if Doke is perfect against some, and ineffective against others, should we not then adjust our lineup accordingly (if there is a reasonable alternative)? In fact, I was thinking about this exact topic earlier in the year. Times when Doke on the floor was a handicap. I do think he's more of a benefit than a detriment, generally, particularly because getting it inside with this team is the best "first" option, given our not so whippy three point shooting. Dedric and DeSousa on the floor together (now, a bit irrelevant) would be killer. Again, irrelevant.

But am I wrong or right ... Does Dedric play better with Doke on the bench? Sure seems that way to me. I think Dedric and DeSousa would be great compliments to one another, particularly given Dedric's passing, which would be much more effective with a mobile big.

I guess I think that given our roster, and maybe until Grimes starts drilling threes, we have to use Doke. Maybe McCormack can be that more mobile big that's a better compliment to Dedric.

Clearly, last night we played a bit faster than we normally do with Doke, in the at nice second half run. We just looked better.

@HighEliteMajor agree :100: I wonder how much DeSouza is helping Big Dave in practice

I hope Silvio is helping Dave out. It's the only role he'll have all year long

DanR said:

Where is the high ankle? I've never understood that.

It’s basically a broken ankle if it’s a high ankle sprain. The bones separate and it takes time to heal.

Doke is a blessing and a curse. He makes Bill want to revert back to early 2000s basketball due to his efficiency. So, while Doke does put up good numbers, he brings basically everyone else's on the court down because Bill just wants the guards to feed the ball into the post 100 times a game.

We saw last night what this group can look like running 4 guards. It was better offensively and at times better defensively. We struggled to rebound the ball without Doke. But we also were able to get rebounds and turn them into easy points several times, so it was a bit of a toss up.

I'm hoping this stretch without Doke will get Bill's creative juices flowing and open his eyes a bit. He was able to retreat back into his comfort zone for a bit, but now is a period where we could see a lot of growth from him and others who will have to step up.

My hope is that we are able to morph this offense into a more guard oriented attack, and adapting it to a two big lineup that would allow us to start being a great offensive rebounding team. I was very encouraged by how well we played defensively last night, even while playing two bigs, that I don't worry about that too much now. It really is the offense that needs to get going. Specifically, turning Grimes and Garrett into offensive threats.

Last night was encouraging. I hope Doke is back sooner than later, but I really think the next few weeks without him will be a good growing experience for the entire team.

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@mayjay Perry is much more athletic. So far, better outside shooter.

3-point shooting is about the only thing Ellis is better at than Dedric. Ellis shot 43.1% from 3 at Kansas, so that's not likely to change, even if Dedric starts shooting better.

Dedric is a better passer, rebounder, probably defender, and gets to the line more.

Dedric is averaging 19.0 points, 10.7 rebounds, 3.1 assists, and has a 27.2 efficiency rating. He's only shooting 46% from the field and 9.1% from 3. If he gets his shooting percentage up, he'll probably win national player of the year.

@HighEliteMajor

A big part of why Dedric looks better without Doke is spacing, at least from what I'm seeing.

Dedric wants room to operate from that mid-range to the block. With both of them on the floor it looks cluttered and you can see easily they have no chemistry working off each other so far. Neither knows where to go, or where to be, opposite each other.

I was expecting Lawson would benefit from Doke on the floor as it would keep teams from doubling him. However what I'm seeing is two guys that in Self's offense are really a lot more similar to each other then I thought they would be. That has negated what looked like on paper would be a formidable duo.

Self changed his offense to his personnel the last few seasons and I think the blueprint of that switch is still in the DNA of this team. Doke isn't the right big next to Dedric right now and I'm not sure they will ever have the chemistry needed to make it work.. Very concerning development. Is it too soon to be concerned?

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Dedric is averaging 19.0 points, 10.7 rebounds, 3.1 assists, and has a 27.2 efficiency rating. He's only shooting 46% from the field and 9.1% from 3. If he gets his shooting percentage up, he'll probably win national player of the year.

Don't you know they gave it to Zion already because he can dunk really high. Like really high

If the season ended right now I might give it to Zion. He has a ridiculous 44.1 efficiency rating at present. I expect that to go down as Duke starts playing teams that won't just let Zion dunk all the time. Next would be Hachimura and 3rd would be Dedric.

@BeddieKU23 Spacing helps the entire team. With Doke it enables him to be one on one or potentially unguarded in the post. Also lets him seal off a guy more easily for a dunk. With Dedric it just gives him so much more room to use his crafty moves.

I think the answer for this team is playing 4 guards. Garrett can bang defensively in the post just fine tbh. Play Jay Wright ball. The shooting will still be an issue, but this would help a lot.

Will Self do it is a very fair question though. Like @Kcmatt7 said Bill gets tempted to play stone age hoops when he can. I still think a 3 out 2 in game could be okay, but you can't have so many plodding bigs for defensive reasons. You need to be able to guard the perimeter. Dedric plus Doke is just too much sloth on D. You also really still need more shooting threats 1-4. It's really tough to play two bigs when you only have one guard that can shoot worth a crap.

@KirkIsMyHinrich Dedric is night and day better posting up. Perry couldn't post up to save his life.

@BShark Even without perimeter shooting, the 4-1 look with Dedric as the lone big really opens the floor for our guards to drive. If Dedric can step out and knock down 3's it helps even more.

I'm not convinced that the 4-1 is the solution for every matchup, though. It works really well against a team like Wofford that isn't very athletic and just shoots 3's. I'm not sure we can get away with it playing against bigger athletic teams that will throw the ball inside.

I think the rebounding suffers a lot with a 4-1 look; we got beat on the glass 45-36 yesterday. It would be nice to have the rebounding vortex SDS when we play small to help mitigate that problem.

@BShark Item number 1...Arizona. Stubby has played at least 2, if not 3 bigs at once, and they haven't done dick in the tourney.

BShark said:

@BeddieKU23 Spacing helps the entire team. With Doke it enables him to be one on one or potentially unguarded in the post. Also lets him seal off a guy more easily for a dunk. With Dedric it just gives him so much more room to use his crafty moves.

I think the answer for this team is playing 4 guards. Garrett can bang defensively in the post just fine tbh. Play Jay Wright ball. The shooting will still be an issue, but this would help a lot.

Will Self do it is a very fair question though. Like @Kcmatt7 said Bill gets tempted to play stone age hoops when he can. I still think a 3 out 2 in game could be okay, but you can't have so many plodding bigs for defensive reasons. You need to be able to guard the perimeter. Dedric plus Doke is just too much sloth on D. You also really still need more shooting threats 1-4. It's really tough to play two bigs when you only have one guard that can shoot worth a crap.

Garrett could be a solution or just a band-aid fix. He played well last night but it was Wofford. We'll see how he matches up against other teams. I think KJ has started to become comfortable within this team and I think he's the guy that should see a bump in his minutes. If we are looking for someone who has great chemistry to put next to Dedric its KJ. Them two just know where each other is, sort of the bond I was hoping Dedric/Doke would have but they clearly don't have.

The 4 guard lineup as I mentioned to HEM is still in the DNA of this team. It's probably a good thing with Doke out a while and Silvio in the pen

@BeddieKU23 I am all for playing KJ at the 4.

@BShark

Better fit and can actually shoot. I still think we need Garrett's D on wings

@BShark

is your new avatar a character from City Hunter...Mammouth???

@BShark me too.

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BeddieKU23 said:

@BShark

Better fit and can actually shoot. I still think we need Garrett's D on wings

True. Garrett is the only consistently good perimeter defender. Dotson can get there, but is a fr and shorter.

dylans said:

DanR said:

Where is the high ankle? I've never understood that.

It’s basically a broken ankle if it’s a high ankle sprain. The bones separate and it takes time to heal.

Coach Self came out and said it wasn't a high ankle sprain today - -but really bad sprain - -hoping by Christmas maybe - -but for sure NOT a day to day thing. - -Y ou for sure can count him out of the Villanova game. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer73 All I want for Xmas is Silvio to get cleared.

Doke is in a boot and on crutches. Didnt tear anything according to coach T.

We're going to morph into the 4 out Dribble Drive Kings. We'll do Kentucky better than Kentucky.

KUSTEVE said:

@jayballer73 All I want for Xmas is Silvio to get cleared.

I hope you’ve been good!!!