Get revenge, beat the Devils.
Vandy stop fouling please.
Nice Lawson.
Finally, an end to the JV game. Time for the main event.
Dedric
Weak foul
Good start from what I saw 2 early 3s
Nice Q
Didn't see the foul on the rebound there...
Joke call
Bill Walton - maybe the best college player ever, but a true freak show..... ;)
Was nice to see Grimes hit that floater. He has that in his game.
Arrgghhh! Walton!
Sadly, I can't unsee that picture...
Also, he single-handedly beat KU in the third-place NCAA game in 1974. He wasn't even going to play after losing the semi in overtime to David Thompson and NC State. Too bad Coach Wooden talked him into playing us.
Anyone else watching the game muted?
Davvvvvvvvve
VICK!!!!
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
Davvvvvvvvve
Doke getting hurt might end up benefiting KU long term.
KU missing some good looks now.
Way to run the floor
Dave again.
Moore get your hand up.
Not many sets being run in this game so far....
Chuck play D before your man gets the ball!
DCHawker said:
Not many sets being run in this game so far....
This KU team has been playing street ball all year.
Good game for Grimes so far...
GREAT PLAY Q
Was that a foul on Mitch?
He's not plowing thru!
Good start for Q. 3/6 for 6 important points.
5 fouls called on KU only 1 on ASU.
Very fast paced so far, need to set in a little bit. Nice to Q being aggressive out there.
JayHawkFanToo said:
5 fouls called on KU only 1 on ASU.
Drawing fouls is a strength for ASU.
Help?
Smart guys
woof
Ugh
Had plenty of chances there...
Pull it out chuck
ASU better team. Better coached.
That rainbow three was absurd.
Finally a foul
And he whines
Was hoping Garrett would pass it out there.
KU looking good
I feel like it’s no autopsy no foul underneath on our end.
@kjayhawks lol!
Crimsonorblue22 said:
And he whines
All the big boys passed on Cherry. Sites don't show pulled offers but yeah.
ASU 44% from 3, punching above its weight class.
JayHawkFanToo said:
ASU 44% from 3, punching above its weight class.
Playing this KU team tends to help that.
Lol at Arizona struggling with UC Davis.
Nice fallaway shot.
Hudy sighting.
Like the jacket
@nwhawkfan d Dotson?🤣
Nice!
ohhhh that was bad to the bone
There ya go!
DEVON
Dedric has some handle...
Seth Davis?
Pro move yo. Who said lawson slow lol?
Dedric coast to coast...I like it.
Arizona St. has to rely on the three.
@BeddieKU23 or not athletic?
That was filthy. 2 awesome spins back to back.
It's all relative. Dedric is likely more athletic than anyone on this board but in terms of big time basketball players he isn't.
Dort over rated? Or dork?
@Crimsonorblue22 Hudy.
@nwhawkfan I know, just playing, such a sweet play
Crimsonorblue22 said:
Dort over rated? Or dork?
No, he's very good. Possible he is too jacked for this game or something but you don't average 19 pts a game by being bad...
Scary
That was a foul on KJ?
Dang, glass!
Dang, I'm cussing
@Crimsonorblue22 You occasionally do that on the thread... ;)
Lawson <3
ASU getting WIDE open looks and just missing them. :thinking:
Did anybody see the KU player that played w/Wilt talking to Vick before game? Thought that was really special
Dedric is on fire!! Keep feeding the big fella
Ice rink out there
BShark said:
ASU getting WIDE open looks and just missing them. :thinking:
Daring them.
18 points for Dedric.
Where's Seth Davis?
...and 5 rebounds.
I'm tolerating Walton
Bwag said:
BShark said:
ASU getting WIDE open looks and just missing them. :thinking:
Daring them.
This worries me. Hopefully gameplan specific since ASU isn't great from three...
Chuck, I saw that!
Eric-san said:
That was filthy. 2 awesome spins back to back.
2nd one was defended well, but great shot
Shoved him
ASU living at the line.
How on earth was that not a foul on ASU?
Do we care how he did at duke?
Wow these guys have it out for dotson
10 v. 3 on the fouls...
BeddieKU23 said:
Wow these guys have it out for dotson
Lack of calls for this obvious head hunting is bullshit.
Home cooking refs
Home whistle. But that’s okay. Let’s dominate
Uhhhh. That was a charge.
The foul calls suck...big time...
They walk a lot
Relying a little too much on the quick three.
Off his leg
sigh
Quick trigger. kJ
Whats the rebound count? It appears to me KU is killing them on the boards?
Ohhhhh KJ
Crimsonorblue22 said:
Quick trigger. kJ
That was a great look, gotta hit it.
@Crimsonorblue22 Too wide open - and we had 5 on 4...
These officials should be ashamed of themselves, only reason it’s a contest right now.
Got lucky
Need to start feeding Dedric again.
Missing svi
A bit sloppy at the end, but I'll take a halftime lead on the road.
Crimsonorblue22 said:
Missing svi
Anyone that can shoot really.
Lol at announcers. Refs cancelled out the poor shooting for ASU...
Need Seth!
Rebounds KU 23-22...seems like it should be more.
KU didn't hit a bucket last 4 minutes and still up 8...
Is this a PAC-12 ref crew? It would explain a lot...it is really bad.
40 points from the bench last last game - 2 points on 1-7 shooting at the half in this one. No rhyme or reason...
KU 3 free throws to ASUs 14, tho Kansas is putting the ball in the paint 🧐, 11 fouls to 3. I honestly feel bad for ASU, they obviously paid these guys big big money to throw this thing and still are down 8.
ASU only score 5 2 pt. FGs and 4 3s. And 9 pts. on FTs. For a 2 pt. shooting team, we must have defended very well.
18 & 8 for D-Law. Great first half and wasn’t just a “Workman-like effort.” He showed some flashes of brilliance!
If not for the FTs the lead would be much larger.
JayHawkFanToo said:
If not for the FTs the lead would be much larger.
And some gut reaction calls.
Tennessee 1 loss!
UCLA in a free fall, coaching chair getting very hot.
@JayHawkFanToo Do they have a coach????
UC Who
Wonder if josh Jackson or oubre are there.
One word.... LAWSON.
@Crimsonorblue22 Phoenix is in triple overtime with Washington right now.
JayHawkFanToo said:
UCLA in a free fall, coaching chair getting very hot.
Crappy coaching. That roster has talent.
Foul on Marcus or Dedric?
Just turned the game on and I’m already tired of walton
"If you got a hot hand, you gotta milk him." Huh?
Typical goofy Walton quote. Mr. Mixed Metaphor,
sweet
Lawson has a beautiful spin move
HCBS looks like he's having fun. smile.
Thank you, it's his second foul though
McCormick getting some UCLA love. LOL
Make open shots. How hard is this
Whistles are ridiculous all around
StLJhawk said:
Lawson has a beautiful spin move
Always same direction?
Shit
They are playing righ now...
BE OKAY DEDRIC
Garrett airball, really?
Thanks marcus
BeddieKU23 said:
Make open shots. How hard is this
For this team or in general?
Natives are restless. Oh crap I offended the Indian nation. LOL
Missed a travel before that dump off pass
FT
ASU 12-20
KU 3-3
Not for a lack of aggression from KU either...
Need some else to hit a dang shot here!
Our nearly zero offense team in now. ?
BShark said:
FT
ASU 12-20
KU 3-3
Not for a lack of aggression from KU either...
Ridiculous
@JayHawkFanToo we got that.
KU 1 of the last 7...
Quick question how many #1's has KU beaten?
Smart Vick
They call him I'll block your shot lightfoot
They call him I'll block your shot lightfoot
They call him I'll block your shot lightfoot
OH wow I'm posting in triples.
Lightfoot 2 for 1 there.
BIM!!!
Bwag said:
Lightfoot 2 for 1 there.
2 great plays - rebound then block
1 bad - outlet pass easily intercepted
@JayHawkFanToo he just threw away the ball
Anybody have the score of the chargers versus Ravens game?
Good trap!
DoubleDD said:
Anybody have the score of the chargers versus Ravens game?
Ravens ahead 13-10
DoubleDD said:
Anybody have the score of the chargers versus Ravens game?
16-10 Ravens
Grimes!
Flop
The foul calls are atrocious...
These refs are bullshit. How does Grimes not get an and 1. Are you kidding me
JayHawkFanToo said:
The foul calls are atrocious...
That foul call on KJ was embarrassing...
Does AZ score besides FTs?
BeddieKU23 said:
These refs are bullshit. How does Grimes not get an and 1. Are you kidding me
Back to back atrocious calls.
Chuck
floor burns
Sweet pass!
wow that was a foul
Chuck we needed that!
My god these refs
BeddieKU23 said:
My god these refs
Just hit Dave in the head, it's okay.
Huge 3 moore
Is there a rule I don’t know that says that KU gets no fouls?
Now that's a foul I'll take from KJ. Love the effort.
JayHawkFanToo said:
Is there a rule I don’t know that says that KU gets no fouls?
Yes. It's right there in the bylaws.
Chuck, long distance no no
@JayHawkFanToo Our turnovers are even worse!!!
🤮
BShark said:
JayHawkFanToo said:
Is there a rule I don’t know that says that KU gets no fouls?
Yes. It's right there in the bylaws.
Probably negotiated by Zenger. :smiley:
Curtain of distraction? Oh brother
Rebounding...
Nice assist grimes
huh? Who's ball is it?
Lawson 26-11 so far...
"DOOK IN FRONT".....what the ...????????
Q having a good game. Just wish he could could shoot
Did he just say Duke in front? Walton must've lent him some of his weed.
Maybe the fathead curtain distracted him
@BeddieKU23 he needs to keep going! It's those lazy passes that kill me
@nwhawkfan he said..."DOOK"...what a dork....
Pasch spends half his time trying not to call Walton an idiot
BeddieKU23 said:
Pasch spends half his time trying not to call Walton an idiot
A very tough job, no way ESPN pays him enough for it.
@BeddieKU23 he has a tough job, but does it well. Wonder if he's ok w/it?
Fouls KU 16, ASU 6...unbelievable.
I think he enjoys hearing how redic he is
@JayHawkFanToo sucks
35 walks
Please🙏
hey KU just got a foul called on a drive. Yeaaaa
Bout time
🍾🎉
Dedric looks so good
Get back, angles
Yikes they better not make many more 3s
Grimes jesus
Do we have enough friggin turnovers yet??? My GOD!!!
Allowing way too many layups.
HOw s that a foul? For standing?
Grimes passing?😡
Waaa? Stick a fork in us? We have the lead!
KU 1-8 from 3 in the second half.
KU 5-22 from three and still ahead.
StLJhawk said:
Waaa? Stick a fork in us? We have the lead!
ITS OVER. ASU WINS!
KU 6 turnovers this half.
Thx!
Yeah, not sure how that's a foul on Grimes. He let him lay the ball right in there...
Dotson bang!
Guard somebody
Finally a 3
Better make them Garrett.
And then too :-(
Yeah!
Big Clyde52 said:
Better make them Garrett.
Gotta just make the damn bucket in the first place lol.
I just noticed the lack of tattoos on this team.
Garret taking over
Walton blow me.
Dammit
ASU 3-4 from 3 in this half.
Poor D from Vick
um sorry
Guard somebody!!!
Fouls
Um they call him yea I still play for KU Vick
Marcus bring it out
Vick BANG!!!
THREE! AND ONE!
Vic!
HI LAGERALD
Lol?
That distraction curtain don’t work too good, we look good at the line for a change
Who is this Garret kid? LOL
Wake up
StLJhawk said:
That distraction curtain don’t work too good, we look good at the line for a change
Yeah, we should borrow it for a few games.
Crimsonorblue22 said:
Wake up
Who? What?
huh? jump ball? lol
Let your man go to hole
Damn foul
I guess we are playing street ball?
Lol that's not a foul. Ashamed of this crew
TERRIBLE CALL
We got screwed there. Stripes trying to help them out.
or do they call it rugby
That was a tackle at half court. Not a tie up
So a half second touch is a jump ball now?
Lil Remy teeing me off
Dokes looking pudgy. I really hope he's staying in shape
KU getting screwed by the refs.
Home cooking has turned into larceny.
Everytime we get up by 7 or 8 the home cooking takes over.
This just in NCAA rule change tackle the guy with ball and it's a tie up.
Need some stops here guys and take care of the damn ball!
18-11 foul disparity
I can’t think of a game wher KU got screwed by the refs so consistently.
Wow I'm surprised with that foul call. I thought we were playing tackle football.
Game is now in the danger zone.
Holy call
Good time out
Wow
Grimes was fouled.
Wow
Even the announcers are calling it
Cant have Grimes shooting. Or Garrett.
OK the reffing is getting ridiculous.
How about Grimes though showing up this game.
Nice 3 pt foul that wasn’t called. Refs blow
Big Clyde52 said:
Cant have Grimes shooting. Or Garrett.
I mean he was fouled so who knows if that would have went in normally.
Wow
I'm calling the game now. ASU wins.
Welcome to the ref show.
pathetic 2nd half
Aw crap
I'm calling it. Overtime KU wins by 7
Game
Defense needs to turn up some pressure. We were retreating that whole possession
So glad Garrett didn't take that 3.
Um I love it.
Lawson should get 4 FT’s. Was fouled twice
Steal here
Garrett is so incomplete. just needs to improve the offense to average to be a really good player.
Quite the nail biter
Refs must have some money on asu
Well that should do it.
I mean if ASU is gonna hit shots like that.
The check cleared
We let them hang around too long. Then they hit a tough shot.
Did I mention the refs blow
He did
I'm clapping my hands. LOL
Here we go. I'm down for another OT.
Surprise - another bad call
And one on dedric
Let's hit a 3 at the buzzer.
Does AS foul?
Damn
30-16 FT disparity. And we’ve not been shooting jump shots all night.
Lol
Can we look at it
Ewww we are gonna lose to ASU twice in a row.
My god that's a bad call
How was that not reviewed?
That is the way it should end. Another friggin turnover!!! SLOPPY!!!
Ballgame. Damn.
Oh brother. That is a really lame last few seconds
Crap!
that sucks. oh well.
Coach Self really pissed giving it to the refs.
Ack
Can't keep playing like this and keep winning. Many more Ls to come.
We lost to the 8 ASU players on the floor all night
Oh well. I just wish it wasn't Bobby Hurley. Cuz F Duke.
To's
Can't even be mad really.
With different refs KU wins by double digits. 22-12 foul difference.
Sure was some suspect officiating towards the end though.
Goodbye #1. Just pathetic ball handling thru out the game. SO SAD!!!
Poor shot selection too
Kind of wondering if the Pac 12 just wanted a big win because their conference is struggling. I mean there were some very bad calls.
Something for the players to chew on along with Christmas dinner.
When the announcers, including PAC 12 fan Walton, are calling fouls...multiple times...and the refs are not it really says a lot about the refs.
This means nothing in the big picture but man we got hosed, I’ve seen a player charge at an official screaming and not get a T.
FT disparity ended at 32-16. We didn’t just shoot jump shots. Believe something like 80% of our points were in the paint.
Obviously our mistakes cost us, but we shot nearly 94% from FT. Unheard of.
Nation laughs at refs. Not ESPN / Nike nation though.
@KirkIsMyHinrich YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. REFS sucked, but we did it to ourselves. Can not continue to depend on Vick and Lawson. We do not have a well rounded team. They need help and do not have it. Could have easy lost several games before now. Thankful to be where we are!!!
approxinfinity said:
Oh well. I just wish it wasn't Bobby Hurley. Cuz F Duke.
Worst thing about this loss is now Duke will likely be #1 for the rest of the season and the Zion coverage will be even more intense. Oh boy
dylans said:
and the Zion coverage will be even more intense.
Not possible.
Funny thing is, except for the last few minutes, I thought we looked better than we did in our last few nail-biters.
And. as a respite from all the gloom, the Chargers did get beat tonight.
Poor officiating, but that had nothing to do with stupid turnovers throughout the game, including 4 outlet passes intercepted.
@dylans Who cares about being #1? Means nothing now. Just concentrate on getting better. Get Doke back and start kicking ass from here on out. Conference means a lot now. Got to show we are still the head of the class. Lets go guys. Bow your neck and use this as incentive.
We played pretty well for the first road game against a good team. We just didn’t make shots down the stretch. The Garrett tie up was a huge call at that time and the Dotson over and back where it didn’t look like he even touched it and if he did it was second and out on them. Why that was not reviewed is head scratching. I don’t think the officiating was bad in the second half outside of a few calls but the first half was as bad as I have ever seen. I wouldn’t pull a KSU and say it was all on the refs, we had too many quick silly shots and turnovers. Good teaching point for the guys and like I said it really means nothing in the grand scheme of things. We are the best team in the country anyways someone else can have number 1 til April for all I care.
Grimes was fouled on the 3, Remy threw Marcus down at half court
Okay, time to put this one in the rear view mirror. The holiday is approaching.
Think I'll kick back with a warm holiday libation. (NOT Remy Martin!)
In case I get too busy to post during Chiefs-Seahawks, MERRY CHRISTMAS to my fellow KU Buckets board rats. Hope the coming year brings you health and happiness.
Big Clyde52 said:
Goodbye #1. Just pathetic ball handling thru out the game. SO SAD!!!
people get all to hung up on being ranked # 1 during the season - -it is not all that period - just for fans don't know many times have to say that.
This is just ONE game in the season -Not even conference game. - -for playing the 1st true road game thought we played pretty decent - -led for 38 minutes of the game - -Grimes still in a massive slump - -not defending either. - We or at least I had read about how aggressive ASU was about getting to the rim completely different from last year -they score a lot from the line, even though STILL the were ALOT of questionable calls - this doesn't really surprise me.
It's not the end of the season by any means just ONE scheduled game during the season - -Dedric was a stud - -just got to move on - -work on things. - -Some how Grimes ha got to shake this funk , he STAYS in this - -then no way is he a one and done. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
You think Vick is worried about Dedric getting all the pts? He's taking way to many shots imo
@Big-Clyde52 I think you missed the point of my post.
Crimsonorblue22 said:
Grimes was fouled on the 3, Remy threw Marcus down at half court
Dotson and Dave both took shots to the head that weren't called.
Upside: At least that one AP asshat voter from Grand Rapids will move us into the top 25 since we have now played a true road game. Moving up!
@jayballer73 Like my other post said, I don't care about being #1 now. Bragging rights do not win championships. It just puts a bigger target on your back. Like we really need that!!! Just get everyone healthy and set our sights on another Big12 crown. Then see what happens in March and April.
I’m kinda upset Grimes only seems to play hard when scouts are in town. He and Vick must have a personal contest on who could throw up the most ridiculous shots. I love how Walton was complaining about that travel, which it clearly was by the way and then didn’t have the balls to says jack about a weak carry on Dedric. Maybe we just shouldn’t play pac12 teams anymore lol. I not surprised we lost just disappointed to lead for over 37 minutes and give it away.
Well I like being 1, and I can't stand Hurley! Do we play them again next year?
@Crimsonorblue22 I’m pretty sure that was the return game.
@Crimsonorblue22 I think so. All I see is Duke, Nova and Stanford on the 19-20 non-con so far.
@dylans I may have. Sorry. I am pretty emotional right now. Just can not stand the sloppy play. The refs may have been bad, but that does not make us make bad passes and other stupid mistakes. I said before if we had scored on just one third of our TO's, we would have won by 15. No more excuses.
@Crimsonorblue22 🤷♂️
I commented how their bench really hurt us last year and it did the same again tonight. Our bench had 5 point and theirs 26. Charlie Moore is just a complete waste of space if he’s no hitting 3s, he has not net gain in every other aspect of the game.
@Big-Clyde52 It’s cool. I’m just saying I don’t want Duke to be numero uno. 🤮
We knew they were gonna get bit eventually. Terrible sloppiness and just plain lazy defense. Probably the least fundamentally sound team in quite a few years. There's time to fix it, but it's just plain ugly and has been and the truth is we're probably fortunate to be ahead of 500 right now as it is. May be a harsh reality. But it simply is reality. Can blame officials or injury or the NCAA or whatever. Doesn't change the fact
@kjayhawks We have no bench that can score. The game before is happening only once or twice a season. I was shocked that Garrett hit so many FT's tonight. Usually about 50%.
WOW we shot only 41% overall and 25% from three and only lost by 4 lousy points. It sure seemed like we had more than 16 turnovers, which I believe lost the game as much as the shooting woes.
FT's were the difference down the stretch. ASU shot 32 of then to KU's 16. There were also a couple of missed calls that went ASU's way late that had a huge impact as well. A missed travel on ASU when the were pulling closer and Grimes got fouled on the 3 that he air balled and the refs didn't call it.
The officiating in this game was horrendous, but ASU was the more aggressive team once Lawson picked up his 4th foul and KU couldn't adjust. Lawson is KU's offense and until KU gets develops a reliable second and third option, KU won't blow decent teams out, let alone good teams.
Dotson is getting closer to being that second option, but KU desperately needs Grimes to get going. I'll also tell everyone right now what his problem is. Texas HS basketball is garbage, especially the Houston area where Grimes came out of. The AAU scene sucks here so it's rare to see elite players come out of Texas ready to make a huge impact right out of the gate unless they leave the state to go to a prep school somewhere else that's more competitive.
Vick and Moore are also both very streaky players and are not reliable to get points every night. Garrett, like Grimes, is a product of the poor Texas HS scene.
McCormack just isn't ready yet to be anything more than a guy getting put backs as a means offense and Lightfoot is Lightfoot, he's in there for his defense.
KU needs Doke back and us really missing DeSousa because he could've been that consistent offensive threat off the bench KU needs.
This game is nothing more than who we are right now. We’ve shown great character in winning close games but in true road games, the close game thing is more risky.
We’re not at full strength. But concerning is the negligible stat line contributions from the bench.
We have hope to get much better. A realistic chance of being much better.
I just think this is a team that can pick up steam late as guys progress.
The Achilles heel is our bench (Moore, KJ, Lightfoot, McCormack). Adding Doke moves Garrett to that role which he’s more suited for.
We should all sleep well. We have a team with upside.
SDS. Join us.
Oh my. We shoulda won that game by 20.
What an odd finish. Pretty good 37 minutes, followed by an unusually un-poised 3 minutes.
I believe Self just took the blame for a few of the cluster effs where we had guys running into each other in the final few minutes. That was unsightly.
How the hell did we lose?
Mainly because they started triple teaming Lawson and the bench crapped the bed I guess.
We sure need a more consistent presence other than D. Lawson. That won't be too hard to game-plan against in the tourney. Maybe Dok when he returns.
Grimes. Sigh. I feel the need to repeat myself (sorry): I'm not sure i've ever seen a guy more chicken shit to take it strong to the rim.
It's like you can see him starting to do math in his head when he gets the ball near the basket. not smooth.
And his passing...two feet away and he's zipping 100MPH fastballs face-high.
I'm going to consider this game a win. Still have no clue how we lost. Seriously. Did any of you think we'd lose at halftime?
@jayhawkcsg I was worried at halftime because we had an 8 pt lead that should have been at least 12 based on how it seemed we outplayed them. I was worried that our missed opportunities could come back to bite us. Didn't feel right.
Big Clyde52 said:
@kjayhawks We have no bench that can score. The game before is happening only once or twice a season. I was shocked that Garrett hit so many FT's tonight. Usually about 50%.
Overall we shot nearly 94% crazy.