KU should win this one, I'd think.

Let's go Jayhawks

Coach Self says Dok will start, but play limited minutes.

Also says McCormack will get minutes, yay!

I have an announcement. I met Porter Moser last night, Loyola's FF coach, and told him I have some eligibility left. He asked me if I can shoot, and I said yes and I can still touch the net. I am declaring my intent to further my basketball career at Loyola next fall. Go Ramblers.

well this might hep E Michigan for a minute. - -They are playing zone - -that could prove interesting if we can't hit any outside shots

Just about time. Great to see Doke playing again hopefully he looks alright.

I'm hoping to see Grimes and Dotson play well today.

Boubacar, what a name.

A long team that plays a zone. Seems like an off-brand Syracuse.

...

Turnovers still an issue.

Big doke

Nice play Doke, but don't hurt yourself.

Crimsonorblue22 said:

Big doke

Love the effort!

Huh, whadya know about that. EMU making 3's or almost threes against our perimeter D.

Can't bail them out like that Dedric.

Run doke!

wissox said:

Huh, whadya know about that. EMU making 3's or almost threes against our perimeter D.

Our perimeter defense isn't great, yes. I think it's also that teams are more excited and more focused when they play Kansas and so they shoot better.

REBOUNDING

4+ minutes of play and Grimes' name hasn't been called.

Frosh mistake for Devon.

Ya... we're definitely better with Doke lol

Sorry about the and one dok

Doke is back

Got it! Yay

Finally made a throw

CHARLIE! What a great passing sequence that was from the team.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Ya... we're definitely better with Doke lol

:thinking:

We may have practiced

@BShark grimes could've stepped to the pass

@BShark Seems obvious ya but I heard the whispers lol

Asu, u were so lucky

...

Jeez Marcus catch the ball

Mitch has opportunities but hes so one minded with the ball

Yikes time.

@Crimsonorblue22 The PAC 12 needed a big win and Kansas was the scapegoat. I'm not sure having Doke would have made a difference in a game like that.

Grimes, nice

So far, Moore is less.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

@Crimsonorblue22 The PAC 12 needed a big win and Kansas was the scapegoat. I'm not sure having Doke would have made a difference in a game like that.

Refs were out for blood.

Crimsonorblue22 said:

Grimes, nice

Grimes noooo.

@BShark I spoke to soon, but nice shot!

any update on DeSousa?

6 turnovers in 8 minutes. Not good.

I'm seeing a lot of the same mistakes but EMU is crap.

Grimes is strugggling to get out of his own way

@bskeet I heard he was smiling and happy at their holiday camp!🤣

Hell EMU has been fortunate that a guy that is terrible from three has canned a couple already.

Nice 3 by Grimes followed by one of his patented dumb plays

D Lawson, new role

bskeet said:

any update on DeSousa?

who?

BShark said:

Hell EMU has been fortunate that a guy that is terrible from three has canned a couple already.

Equivalent of Marcus making them

It seems like Grimes could have kept driving to the basket but was afraid to do so and tried to pass the ball. I wish he would just keep going all the way to the basket on his drives.

BeddieKU23 said:

Nice 3 by Grimes followed by one of his patented dumb plays

If he sticks around maybe he will become an impactful player.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

It seems like Grimes could have kept driving to the basket but was afraid to do so and tried to pass the ball. I wish he would just keep going all the way to the basket on his drives.

He just hasn't been able to get around D1 level guys. He can probably do it against EMU though.

Oklahoma might be better without Trae Young honestly.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Oklahoma might be better without Trae Young honestly.

addition through subtraction

@KirkIsMyHinrich they are! Players buying in.

OU definitely quit last year.

That's a charge? Okay.

I don't think that was a charge. I know he was set, but he wasn't in position.

Not a foul my god

Good pass, Vick.

Doke making up for lost time.

Wow. I'm loving our passing game right now.

Nice play by vick

Love the sharing

2 EMU, used to hang out in my classroom some in Baton Rouge. We used to call him tree. Glad to see him in AFH.

Ride him

Refs really waiting to see if KU makes the shot before calling fouls.

This is embarrassing. EMU scored 4 in the first half against Rutgers, they've got almost 5 times as much right now.

Can't believe they didn't call a foul!

I love when the commentary explains things for me. I'm so dumb.

@Crimsonorblue22 Did you go to this game?

@KirkIsMyHinrich that's why they get the big bucks

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

I love when the commentary explains things for me. I'm so dumb.

I think the absolute worst thing right now in all of sports broadcasting is the green zone on SNF.

@wissox no

So E Mich is a poor shooting 3 point team, is it our defensive strategy to just leave them wide open from 3? That's what it looks like.

But our dble team is working! Steals

kJ going to get in?

10 assists on 12 baskets and 85% shooting

@Bwag love it

Love d dot

wonder if or how much that is a function of going against a zone

Dave jump KJ in rotation?

Walking!

Lol at EMU

stoptheflop said:

So E Mich is a poor shooting 3 point team, is it our defensive strategy to just leave them wide open from 3? That's what it looks like.

yes

@BShark nightmares about doke

Walking a lot.

Nice shot Tree!

kJ gotta shoot

Ugh Grimes.

Also, the difference between Dedric and KJ is huge. Dedric playing within the game and looks to pass when needed. KJ forces things.

One time would like to see Grimes make the right play

I don't think McCormack looks a lot different than he did at the beginning of the season, he's just getting more minutes. He put the work in during the offseason.

That's how he gets time

Leaving Doke wide open under the basket is an interesting strategy.

@BeddieKU23 Afraid you'll have to go back and watch the MSU game then!

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Leaving Doke wide open under the basket is an interesting strategy.

Very bold.

Need to practice our lobs

When rebounding, KU needs to put a body on people instead of trying to out-jump them.

11 assists 13 buckets...

Hey guys.....

Jinxed him dave

Doke with the stroke!

we're SMOKIN.... 72 % from the field....throw it into Doke...

I'll take 50% every time out from Doke.

Imagine thinking Doke doesn't make this team much better.

Got it back

Ohhhh Dokey

Good hustle, KJ.

Love that kid, d dot, repeat

BShark said:

I'll take 50% every time out from Doke.

except in a close game, last 2 minutes...OU is coming

I'm starting to worry about our 3 point shooting.

Crimsonorblue22 said:

Love that kid, d dot, repeat

Hoping Self can convince him to come back. Might be playing his way into the draft.

nice look by KJ

Repeat! Bad call on grimes! Look at it

And 1! What the hell?

Repeat!

2 hard falls for Grimes

Bwag said:

BShark said:

I'll take 50% every time out from Doke.

except in a close game, last 2 minutes...OU is coming

Heh. Even then I'd take 50%. I would take him out at the end of close games though.

Jballers man

@Bwag Plus the one from Doke.

wissox said:

I'm starting to worry about our 3 point shooting.

I mean...Vick is the only decent shooter.

But we r getting easy 2's

Lon Kruger has 2 weeks to prepare for KU. His strategy: foul Doke.

@KirkIsMyHinrich lost all respect for him, plus his coaching of young!

Repeat

Lol at a sub 50% ft shooter being 4-4. KU is killing them obviously, so just funny.

Dotson has the mighty mouse mentality like Frank did.

Is Dotson good? :thinking:

I know KJ is kind of slow and not that great of a shooter, but I like his passing.

@KirkIsMyHinrich but d dot is making them his frosh year

good balance scoring

@KirkIsMyHinrich same composure, don't get to rattled when they get creamed

@BShark Announcer was wrong, Tree had missed one when he said that.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

I know KJ is kind of slow and not that great of a shooter, but I like his passing.

I like when KJ even considers passing the ball. He's a good player when he does that.

That was a pretty good first half for KU. A few too many turnovers but not bad overall considering how much KU has struggled in first halves this season.

Also, value-brand Syracuse isn't very good.

@KirkIsMyHinrich had something like 5 TOs in first 6 min, but ended up with 8...so improved as game moved along

We looked great...now, lets bottle that up and come out just as strong against OU...

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

That was a pretty good first half for KU. A few too many turnovers but not bad overall considering how much KU has struggled in first halves this season.

Also, value-brand Syracuse isn't very good.

Kenpom 190 for a reason.

wissox said:

I'm starting to worry about our 3 point shooting.

yeah, definitely on a downswing...perhaps Vicks being on fire for some games early gave us a false sense. He needs to establish a rythym

Really good half there outside of giving up too many offensive rebounds. Ball movement is good, we aren't relying on one or two guys to score every point. Should be a fun second half to just go play

Bwag said:

wissox said:

I'm starting to worry about our 3 point shooting.

yeah, definitely on a downswing...perhaps Vicks being on fire for some games early gave us a false sense. He needs to establish a rythym

3 pt shooting we were 2-2 out of the gate...ended half at 2-8 so missed last 6

Makes me wonder if Self realized 3 pt shooting was an issue and he set that last play with all the guards to try and turn it around...

Bwag said:

Makes me wonder if Self realized 3 pt shooting was an issue and he set that last play with all the guards to try and turn it around...

Self definitely isn't dumb. If we realized something, odds are he does as well.

Doke needs to be ready for that. That's not Lawson's fault.

Not an inspiring start to the 2nd half. I might go get some pizza.

Nice shot Tree

We saved our first half for the 2nd half today I guess.

Why aren't we using Paul Rudd as Antman to sabotage opposing teams?

This game is boring.

Garrett threes lol

Imagine not scoring in 4 minutes against EMU...

I can't wait to cancel my ESPN+ subscription after the game. I'm really excited about it.

Vick passes up 3 opportunity but Garett fires away. Got give Garett credit, hes not shying away

Great sequence from Dotson there.

@BShark bbq pork here

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@BShark bbq pork here

yummy

I think it'd be kind of funny if EMU's mascot was an Emu.

Dotson is the best player on the floor today.

Freshman mistakes by Vick.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Dotson is the best player on the floor today.

He's sooooo good.

Garrett shot that 3 flat footed. Missed of course.

Garrett couldn't make that on a 10 foot wide basket. Horrendous form

Chuck, don't be dumb

Doke's free-throws look pretty good today.

BeddieKU23 said:

Garrett couldn't make that on a 10 foot wide basket. Horrendous form

Kinda unreal how bad his shot is.

Also, I was not wondering where EMU is located announcers. It's like they didn't even read my game thread title. ;)

Crimsonorblue22 said:

Chuck, don't be dumb

lol

Crimsonorblue22 said:

Chuck, don't be dumb

But he is

Dotson is a monster on both ends.

@BShark

Unreal today

BeddieKU23 said:

Crimsonorblue22 said:

Chuck, don't be dumb

But he is

As long as he never starts I think it's mostly fine to have him on the team.

Being out hustled for rebounds may be the single most aggravating thing about today's game

U'd think chuck would know by now what keeps u on the floor

KJ & Garrett 0-2 from 3
Vick 0-3 from 3

team 3-12 for 25%

Dotson sees an opening in the defense and drives it without hesitation. It usually results in a layup, a pass to a big man for a layup, or free throws. It's something Grimes should be doing, but he's too passive. When he does, he hesitates and is too slow.

lightfoot hustle

BeddieKU23 said:

Being out hustled for rebounds may be the single most aggravating thing about today's game

Very low effort 2nd half in particular. Playing with their food.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Dotson sees an opening in the defense and drives it without hesitation. It usually results in a layup, a pass to a big man for a layup, or free throws. It's something Grimes should be doing, but he's too passive. When he does, he hesitates and is too slow.

Dotson has NBA speed, Grimes doesn't have D1 speed.

Crimsonorblue22 said:

U'd think chuck would know by now what keeps u on the floor

Give him another year I guess.

@BShark I think he's fast enough, I just think he drives very half-heartedly.

I love when they go to the monitor to review something in a 20+ pt game.

Can they call a double flagrant? They both did the same thing.

@BShark Now I'm really on the edge of my seat.

"Easy call for the officials" - only took 5 minutes

Doke was fouled on the last dunk but w/e.

@BShark He's kind of like college-Shaq. It feels like he gets fouled a lot but it doesn't get called because of how big he is. Officials are looking for the player's reaction instead of what's happening.

ITS ALMOST ESPN+ CANCELLATION TIME GUYS AND GALS

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

@BShark He's kind of like college-Shaq. It feels like he gets fouled a lot but it doesn't get called because of how big he is. Officials are looking for the player's reaction instead of what's happening.

Exactly.

Nice Tree!

Shot looked good

Dotson is fire.

This is as bad a half as KU has played all year. Just so hard for this team to string two good halves together.

Dang chuck

Ugly

Dang Vick!

I'm not impressed with EMU this half at all. KU playing like crap.

Shot selection, spacing

Vick sucks again

Doke is on the bench and Vick and Lawson aren't scoring much. So it's bad right now.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Doke is on the bench and Vick and Lawson aren't scoring much. So it's bad right now.

These three are typically the guys that carry the scoring load. KU will definitely struggle if they aren't scoring.

Laaaaazy 2nd half.

Wonder how many assists we have this half?

20% from 3 now...is that a problem?

A lob!

Chuck🤦‍♂️

Sweet mother of Chucky

I'm starting to feel bad for chuck

Nice press!

Crimsonorblue22 said:

Wonder how many assists we have this half?

21 total at the moment...had around 13 or so?...in the first 1/2

Ref didn't want to call that

Bwag said:

20% from 3 now...is that a problem?

Not when the other team is 6-30 from 3. But in general, ya probably.

Yeah chuck

Crimsonorblue22 said:

I'm starting to feel bad for chuck

He looks like a double transfer other than the fact that he does get some pt.

I hope he toughs it out at KU. Some talent there.

Yeah kj

Poor mitch🤕

KJ kind of looks like Brandon Ingram today.

Chucks turn

Mitch gonna foul out?

Bad shot all around from Charlie M....ugly, too far out, selfish

Congratulations to all of you who watched Kansas play value-brand Syracuse on ESPN+ with plenty of really good football on. You are true fans.

Crimsonorblue22 said:

Mitch gonna foul out?

that's what I was wondering if he would get 5 fouls in short time - -really bad game for Mitch

covered...even if uninspired

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Congratulations to all of you who watched Kansas play value-brand Syracuse on ESPN+ with plenty of really good football on. You are true fans.

footwhat?

@Bwag good to see doke back! Messed w/dedrics rythm

I don't know how you fix that? Ideas?

Crimsonorblue22 said:

I don't know how you fix that? Ideas?

Wonder how much to do with the zone as well...

Grimes 16 points...seemed quiet though a few good 3s for him

No ESPN+ for me. They lost a viewer. Had to follow the game through this fine channel.

everyone but Garrett and Vick shot 50% from 3pt...those two were 0-fers...

Welp .we won . - -some things 1st positive - - Doke did really well for 1st game back from injury , Quentin - -I think he is starting to show some signs of possibly coming around - - looks like trying to get more engaged , a little more aggressive - -hit a couple of 3"s - - got to the line some.

The negatives - -1st - -And foremost - -we could not get a defensive rebound to save our ass. - -You saw - -Coach Self said - -Awful - -when they showed him on the bench - -during the 2nd half. - -2nd - -our dam turnovers - - just sloppy ball handling - most unforced in the 2nd half - Could you imagine if this group was playing against West Virginia's of the past years press all over - -how many turnovers would we get? - -Got to clean that up

Overall - glad to get Doke back - -get the win. - -Vick was a liability like some like to say on the offensive end today - -just what I talked about how he STILL inconsistent - -I can understand to a point anyways his day - these types of games not gonna happen often - -he is alright - - only thing might be thought he was turning down a lot of medium in the lane jumpers -seemed like he was trying to hard to look down deep for Doke - was pretty open to some close shots. - -Now it begins for real. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Congratulations to all of you who watched Kansas play value-brand Syracuse on ESPN+ with plenty of really good football on. You are true fans.

Maybe next year I can start caring about college football again! As for now, what is this football you speak of?

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

I can't wait to cancel my ESPN+ subscription after the game. I'm really excited about it.

Did it! Thanks for the reminder. Mine would have renewed on Jan 1.

Last ESNP+ game?

@dylans ya - -it's the last one I'm pretty sure for the season

dylans said:

Last ESNP+ game?

Yes.

@Bwag yes! But happens against man too. Too crowded

mayjay said:

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

I can't wait to cancel my ESPN+ subscription after the game. I'm really excited about it.

Did it! Thanks for the reminder. Mine would have renewed on Jan 1.

Well I have a confession. - - I paid my initial month for ESPN plus -then I was going to Cancel - -went in to do just that , BUT ESPN was still there - -didn't pay anything the rest of the way - -every time I looked to see if it was still on there it was with out the renewal -- Soooo - -now I am gonna cancel - -ooops. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Just Heard the Eastern Michigan play by play guy that calls the games - he said that since he had the opportunity to be able to call both games - -US here & then at Duke. - -Said the atmosphere the crowd was WAY better here then Duke lmao - -Ha bet you would never get a statement like this make any mention from ESPN - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

mayjay said:

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

I can't wait to cancel my ESPN+ subscription after the game. I'm really excited about it.

Did it! Thanks for the reminder. Mine would have renewed on Jan 1.

There's a ton of good stuff on ESPN+ to watch, including KU women who seem to be quite a bit better this year so far. Not challenging for the B12 good, but should be able to make the NCAA Tournament good. There's also soccer from international leagues along with MLS, NHL, NBA, other college games from non P5 leagues. I didn't think I'd keep it, but I've used it pretty regularly and think it's a pretty good deal.

@Bwag grimes hit his throws

@jayballer73 and w/out students

@Texas-Hawk-10 I watched our first fb game and watched ku Vb and ku soccer, pretty cheap! I have cox so I get all the bb games.

@Texas-Hawk-10 If I didn't already have PSVUE I'd consider it.

BShark said:

@Texas-Hawk-10 If I didn't already have PSVUE I'd consider it.

I don't live in Kansas or KC, I don't get KC channels, I have to have it for KU games which was my initial reason for getting it. However, I started watching other stuff and it's definitely worth the $5 a month for all of other content on there that's not on national TV.

@Texas-Hawk-10 The next time I pay to watch soccer would be my first.... But it would be good for fans who watch that and other things you mentioned. Not moi, however!

Not sure if anyone remembers but a week ago we lost at ASU who just lost to Princeton in the same gym.

mayjay said:

@Texas-Hawk-10 The next time I pay to watch soccer would be my first.... But it would be good for fans who watch that and other things you mentioned. Not moi, however!

You're missing out. It took me a long time to get into soccer, but it really is a lot of fun once you get into it. I wouldn't recommend MLS as a start though because it is a 3rd tier soccer league compared to the big 4 in Europe (Premier League in England, La Liga in Spain, Bundesliga in Germany, and Serie A in Italy).

I would also recommend watching the Women's World Cup next summer as a way to get into it as well. US Women are one of the most dominant nations in women's soccer and there's much less flopping and overacting in women's soccer which is one of big knocks by most fans against men's soccer.

It's also a lot of fun to go to in person. If you're in the KC area, Chidren's Mercy is a really nice stadium and one of the best environments in MLS. Sporting KC is also usually one of the top teams in MLS on a yearly basis so it's a good team unlike what I have down here in Houston. Ticket prices are comparable to Royals games as well so it's not insanely expensive like Chiefs games are.

wissox said:

Not sure if anyone remembers but a week ago we lost at ASU who just lost to Princeton in the same gym.

Hmmmmm

@mayjay @Texas-Hawk-10 If I wanted to watch someone struggle to score for 90 minutes, I'd take my friends to the bar lol. Baseball is almost as bad when a pitchers duel. I stopped playing baseball after my freshman year tho I lettered in it. I played all 3 positions in the field and had multiple games where zero balls came my way. It was a complete waste of time IMO.

@kjayhawks @Texas-Hawk-10 T
Perfectly willing to watch big event soccer like World Cup--but not interested in paying. As to Euro soccer I just cannot fathom American interest.

kjayhawks said:

@mayjay @Texas-Hawk-10 If I wanted to watch someone struggle to score for 90 minutes, I'd take my friends to the bar lol. Baseball is almost as bad when a pitchers duel. I stopped playing baseball after my freshman year tho I lettered in it. I played all 3 positions in the field and had multiple games where zero balls came my way. It was a complete waste of time IMO.

I'll agree that baseball can be very slow paced and extremely boring at times because of how much down time there is during a game.

Soccer may not be high scoring, but there is always something going on during a match. I really would highly recommend checking out a match in person at some point because it is a lot of fun and a great atmosphere.

mayjay said:

@kjayhawks @Texas-Hawk-10 T
Perfectly willing to watch big event soccer like World Cup--but not interested in paying. As to Euro soccer I just cannot fathom American interest.

Top leagues in Europe are where the vast majority of the top players in world play so the quality of play is much better than in MLS. MLS has made some serious strides in the 25 or so years the league has been around, it it still has a long ways to go to even be a top 10 league in the world. The number US national team players based in MLS instead of Europe is a huge reason why the national team is average at best.

A couple decades ago I had a roommate who was big into soccer. Even with his day to day excitement about the sport I still couldn’t muster the least bit of interest. It’s like a more boring version of hockey without fights and I don’t like hockey. Nah I’ll stick to KU basketball year round.