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College baseketball is king here. Don't need any distraction of a pro football game. And as a bonus, we can root for FSU to take Duke out...

FSU doesn't need to help Duke.

Premium title.

https://kuhoops.com/ku-basketball-news/224336345/ ↗ Jesse has us covering a 3 1/2 point spread

Let's go Jayhawks.

@BShark sorry I crowded into your lane...but didn't know who'd show up today.

Bwag said:

@BShark sorry I crowded into your lane...but didn't know who'd show up today.

All good, this title is solid. I probably would have had a snarky remark about Drew, but I'll just have that for the 2nd BayLOL game.

I think people who like Dick Vitale as a commentator also like the Star Wars prequels.

"Gotta knock down some threes"

I mean, has this guy seen how Self just carves up Drew's turkey zone?

@BShark especially when @wrwlumpy referenced in his prepatory thread that this is the 'drv'd game' in KC

BShark said:

"Gotta knock down some threes"

I mean, has this guy seen how Self just carves up Drew's turkey zone?

I think Jesse wrote that they had played M2M about 2/3rds of the time and zone 1/3rd this year.

Tied with 2 min to go

"His eyes zero in right on your belly button."

-Dick Vitale talking about Trey Jones.

FSU getting another chance to go up

duke stupid

Savoy missing the first. Jeez

Guard the 3 line

Game starting on ESPN News...

That sucks...I don"t get it

Barrett's probably going to shoot a 3 but I think it should be Reddish.

@Bwag They'll switch back - hope Duke - FSU doesn't go to OT

Bwag said:

BShark said:

"Gotta knock down some threes"

I mean, has this guy seen how Self just carves up Drew's turkey zone?

I think Jesse wrote that they had played M2M about 2/3rds of the time and zone 1/3rd this year.

Hmm, maybe Scotty boy is learning. I watch ZERO BayLOL outside of the KU games.

Looked like it was off of FSU.

Available on ESPN app you say?

score anyone? Stupid duke game

3-2 us

Vick 3

Can"t determine definitively

They r out boarding us

Stuck looking at a spinner on ESPN app

Crimsonorblue22 said:

They r out boarding us

Yeah, that seems pretty likely.

Eastern time

ESPN App is uselss POS

Fran too

Listening to Fran would actually be better than Dick V

5-2 us.

Not surprised KU Baylol is very defensive so far.

5-2

If anything costs KU today it will be rebounding YIKES.

Grimes missed 2 shots

It's embarassing that it took 10 minutes to determine possession and add 0.4 seconds.

GOOD LORD, REFS play ball

Nice block though guess we got 4 blocks

@KirkIsMyHinrich Zion hurt?

Dotson scores 7-2

Nice Devon

@BShark eye poked

BShark said:

@KirkIsMyHinrich Zion hurt?

He got poked in the eye. He seems fine but I guess they're just being careful with him.

Crimsonorblue22 said:

Nice block though guess we got 4 blocks

No reason this team can't play really good D now.

Do we practice shooting because I dont think we do

@BShark Poked in the eye

@KirkIsMyHinrich @DCHawker @approxinfinity Injured hymen, got it.

TV Ted dragging out this Duke game as long as possible.

BShark said:

@KirkIsMyHinrich Zion hurt?

poked in eye

7-2

More timeouts YAY

Excuse my language but this is fucking ridiculous.

Their big guy is out for season, knee in case u didn't know

BShark said:

@KirkIsMyHinrich @DCHawker @approxinfinity Injured hymen, got it.

For the win

They could at least put the ku game in a little window or something instead of this BS

Oh whoops they accidentally showed an angle where the Duke goon threw the FSU player out of bounds. Nothing to see here.

@KirkIsMyHinrich I get to watch the KU game and I agree. IT's been ten minutes since anything happened.

:vomit:

Dotson had a nice layup. Dedric with a layup, vick a 3 for those wondering

Wrong guy to leave wide open

Sooo Baylor can't score.

Let me guess they'll have to review for 20 minutes to see if there should be .1 seconds on the clock

Can these guys never work another game again? Please.

Way to go FSU...refs 0 get off the damn court and switch over

UVA is going to make Duke cry on the 19th.

Dot 3

Dotson with a 3

give FSU the ball for a second and be done with this bull

Crap I hate Duke but maybe this will cause Dicky V to have the heart attack to end his career.

10-2

OMG stop this ESPN

This is out of control...fine the ref's

Foul!

Ochai in

Cancel FSU Duke. Good lord.

Thank god.

25 minutes to play 5 seconds Good grief

@Crimsonorblue22 My feed is clearly behind yours....

Wow seriously lawson doesnt just drop the ball for fun

This is the longest 2.8 seconds ever

We're watching game highlights instead of going to the other game. Reaaaaaaaaally?

Good lord lawson

missed 7 minutes

:Cut fricken away

Ochai !

Well at least they didn't cut to a beer commercial while time was running in our game. Silver lining.

Baylor still hasn't made a shot for those unfortunately not able to watch.

Quick recap, we should be up 20

Nice Dedric

D law 12 -2

U all on?

Hawks need to win this. Other top teams in the conference have road wins - TTU has 2. We haven't won a true road game yet this year.

At least that game didn’t go to OT ffs

@Crimsonorblue22 Yes finally

BeddieKU23 said:

Quick recap, we should be up 20

I mean probably not. This KU team just isn't great at offense. This team is going to have to grit out games on D.

Dr Fran?

Proctologist'

Dotson is good at drawing fouls

I wonder if theyve worked on that with him, not just the blow by.

approxinfinity said:

Well at least they didn't cut to a beer commercial while time was running in our game. Silver lining.

We've lowered expectations I guess?

5 blocked shots already.

Announcer said earlier, all u watching duke game, jhawks.........duh we are here watching this game

BayLOL still rocking a solid 0% from the field.

approxinfinity said:

Dotson is good at drawing fouls

Frank esque

@BShark

Clark huge loss. Tg

Fran we miss more open 3s then we make

BeddieKU23 said:

@BShark

Clark huge loss. Tg

Still...

Wow agbaji

Most of the the best bigs in the conference have gone down with injuries....

DCHawker said:

Most of the the best bigs in the conference have gone down with injuries....

Knock on wood

BeddieKU23 said:

approxinfinity said:

Dotson is good at drawing fouls

Frank esque

Thats why I wonder if they've been working on getting into the body with him like they did Frank

I really hate Fran. I hate him more than Walton or Vitale.

Agbajji

@KirkIsMyHinrich

Same

I predict if Baylor doesn't make a shot that we will win.

Damn, Agbaji.

Serious ups

Maybe Bill was on to something pulling that Redshirt

I’m going chiefs, hawks on iPad. 1 kid there.

Agbaji is Michael Jordan. I thought same thing before you said it @BShark. You weren't jumping the BShark :) at least, not alone.

DanR said:

Maybe Bill was on to something pulling that Redshirt

And probably on something for not pulling it quicker

Shit

I'm at the game, watching Garrett on offense, he's not a shooter, knows it, but he is a great facilitator of offense even without the ball in his hands. Garrett moving without the ball sets up a lot of positive things for the rest of the offense.

@Crimsonorblue22 ?????

Oop

Good hustle, though, Grimes.

like that zone...so does OA

wissox said:

I predict if Baylor doesn't make a shot that we will win.

Bold

Lol foul on us. Yeahh sure

Probably behind

She's ahead of us

Ooof be careful ochai

@approxinfinity I'm ahead of her

Bwag said:

like that zone...so does OA

So does Bill. Carves it up big time.

Big Dave in

Dave in. Good.

Dang, Ochai. Young and made of rubber

Dave is jesses player of game🤣

U r ahead

Ahhh

Playing 4 freshman prolly not smart

4 freshmen and a sophomore on the floor now, not working too, not even waiting for the under 8 timeout.

@DanR u r chiefs guy?

Good thing holding breath until first basket isn"t a thing in Waco

This team of ours is capable of giving up a lead.

wissox said:

This team of ours is capable of giving up a lead.

We will

Chucks in to chuck

@Bwag Baylor scored first basket of the game

Lol

@Texas-Hawk-10 0-13 from fielld until just then...sure it wasnt FTs?

@Crimsonorblue22 I'm a chiefs fan. Bigger KU BB fan though.

At least if chuck looks at the hoop before he shoots it's an improvement from the last few games

!alt text ↗

We are up 18-2 and had not given up a basket from the field. And then...

Bwag said:

@Texas-Hawk-10 0-13 from fielld until just then...sure it wasnt FTs?

McClure is 2/2 FT"s in the box score

chip and Joanne and the crew

Lol apple picker

@DanR love them, lump good job

Lawson with his negative vert on that rebound attempt

CHUCK

"Maybe the best shooter on the team."

lol

"maybe the best shooter on the team Charlie Moore" lollll my 7 and 9 year old are talking mad trash about the commentating ATM.

My god refs

approxinfinity said:

"maybe the best shooter on the team Charlie Moore" lollll my 7 and 9 year old are talking mad trash about the commentating ATM.

Lol. Hasn't made a shot in weeks

Td chiefs

Bad call fran.

That announcer just said Charlie is maybe the best shooter on the team. HAHAHA

He was moving and in the restricted area.

You are a hack, Fran.

If that's a charge the game of basketball has taken 10 steps backwards

Chiefs TD!

bad call

Good job KJ

Now KU can't make a shot at all.

@KirkIsMyHinrich Fran said that?

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@KirkIsMyHinrich Fran said that?

No the other guy

Lol

KJ ought to be killing it in the middle of that zone. But he's not.

We were up 16 at one point. Bout to get ugly

Lord. time for a career night for Jared Butler.

Frittering a lead away

Maybe ESPN should cut back to the Duke game

Effing incredible - 16 pt almost totally gone in less than 8 minutes....

DanR said:

Maybe ESPN should cut back to the Duke game

I'm sure they can show Zions facial expressions a few half thousand times more

looooooooool

DCHawker said:

Effing incredible - 16 pt almost totally gone in less than 8 minutes....

When you cant shoot you cant shoot

Get Q out of the game GOOD LORD.

BeddieKU23 said:

DanR said:

Maybe ESPN should cut back to the Duke game

I'm sure they can show Zions facial expressions a few half thousand times more

or his eye hanging by a thread against his cheek

Maybe we'll get a detailed look into the eye patch Zion will wear.

Pretty sure practice should include shooting and nothing else

Jared Butler, 22% 3pt shooter, is now 3-4. Par for the course.

BShark said:

Jared Butler, 22% 3pt shooter, is now 3-4. Par for the course.

Due for at least 7

You'd think KU and the Chiefs could stagger the commercial breaks

It's all part of the bill self master plan. Inspire confidence in feeding their worst player... Then you takes it away!

We have 20% three point shooters but they miss em.

@BShark every game someone hits multiple 3s they never will again.

Lawson. Junk

Ummm can Lawson hang with atheltic bigs?

DanR said:

You'd think KU and the Chiefs could stagger the commercial breaks

As long as half times don't align

approxinfinity said:

Ummm can Lawson hang with atheltic bigs?

Generally no. He's crafty tho.

@approxinfinity

Nope.

This has turned so ugly.

BeddieKU23 said:

We have 20% three point shooters but they miss em.

Lol no kidding.

Grimes D is non existent on those threes

DanR said:

Grimes D is non existent on those threes

Exactly. I'd bench him.

Vick looks calm and collected.

Lawson is pissing me off

Garrett hurt. Oh no.

Hey that was ok though.

man down

Oh boy

Another injury

DLaw gets hammered, whistle, crowd 'Ohhs'

Not good

Don"t need to lose his defense stopper role

That seemed very random. Also I am behind on stream, what happened? This team will sink w/o Marcus.

Lol dotosn

BeddieKU23 said:

Lol dotosn

Yikes. Gotta be better than that.

I'm ready for vick to have himself a game.

Fouls?

Kj lost

Jared Butler has never committed a foul in his own mind.

Lawson fouled

It's the little things Lagerald, good tip

Glad Vick missed that, since they stopped play

Booom!

Congrats, Vick.

KJ is having some troubles

@approxinfinity There you go!

Ochai!

Vick

Ochai

Ochai's three pointers float in slow mo

BANG BANG

Wtf is up with their floor do they do icecapades here?

DanR said:

Ochai's three pointers float in slow mo

Sign of a good shooter.

So who else is red shifting? A water boy. Its unreal this kid can play like this

AO & Vick in back to back 3 pt shots...love it. Let"s see that consistently for rest of season

Should be up by like 20 but good finish to the half.

4/4 last shots of the half... three threes and a layup

Did Vick go lazy on running to that shooter?

Nicely finished. We were looking at a 20 something point half.

TD Hill

Yes

Quick change the channel before the dukefest on espn halftime.

Ha

Chili time!

Talk about a game of runs, basketball is usually that way but two pretty extreme runs. One by each team, I'll take a double digit halftime lead at any point for the rest of the year.

BeddieKU23 said:

So who else is red shifting? A water boy. Its unreal this kid can play like this

Ochai, Braun, McBride is gonna be a filthy back court two years from now.

wissox said:

Quick change the channel before the dukefest on espn halftime.

Well yeah theres Zions first half and injury to discuss.

We've shot almost 50% - they are less than 30%. Same number of 3s, ours on one fewer attempt. We have 2 more FTs. Fewer TOs. More steals. 7 blocks to 2. How are we only up 10?????

little KC now

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

So who else is red shifting? A water boy. Its unreal this kid can play like this

Ochai, Braun, McBride is gonna be a filthy back court two years from now.

I know I'm excited.

@DCHawker

Self put 4 freshman in and marcus. He wasnt expecting Baylor couldn't shoot

How's Marcus?

Dotson had a good first half. I still would like to see him get in position to shoot more often. He's 3/3, so maybe he should shoot at least 5 time in the 2nd half.

Garrett jogged off at halftime and looked fine. Hopefully he plays second half because I don't want to see Moore out there again.

Grimes & Garrett both with 0 points...AO off the bench with 7. Interesting

@Bwag Garrett scoreless isn't a big deal. That's not his role. He's a screen setter and gets others to their spots. He's a facilitator on offense.

Guy on the weather channel trying to act excited about winter storm Gia. "It's not a lot of snow, it's just a little snow." Still better than listening to pukefest.

@bwag Ochai is a great 6th man because he's good at everything it seems. So he's not just instant offense he can come in and give us whatever we aren't getting from Vick, Garrett or Grimes on any given night.

@stoptheflop

I agree he doesnt force it enough.

@approxinfinity Ochai is the perfect starter, IMO

Texas Hawk 10 said:

@Bwag Garrett scoreless isn't a big deal. That's not his role. He's a screen setter and gets others to their spots. He's a facilitator on offense.

Realize we don't rely on him for Offense per se, but he's usually good for a drive and layup...obviously Grimes scoreless is much more of a concern

@DanR lol I'm trying to rationalize not starting him. I feel like we really need more from Q and I don't want him buried on bench yet.

Butler is a little whiner

@approxinfinity agree, he could begin to put pressure on Vick and or Grimes

@DanR plus this way it's like all the starters know we gotta get Ochai in somewhere. So they all take it better if they come out for him

Flop city again

Vick has 1000 pts

We just like to leave guys open

1003

BeddieKU23 said:

Flop city again

Sad.

Oh sure homegrown pos

Can we get a charge call?

Nope.

Garrett back out there...must be okay

Jesus refs. Are you kidding me

Careful, Dedric. Old men break hips easy

@BeddieKU23 which play?

That's a jump ball. Sure.

Holy crap you can horse collar and it's not a foul?

More crap refs. Call A FOUL

What in the world is that call

Bears are pos

Grimes on the board...but also leading with 4 boards

@Crimsonorblue22 Bad Drew's Bears!

Please dont foul Dotson. We don't want to see chucky

Sincerely jayhawk nation

Mahomes is hurt. Doesn't look good at all. @Crimsonorblue22 @KirkIsMyHinrich

@BShark He jogged off the field...

DCHawker said:

@BShark He jogged off the field...

It looked so bad live. My heart lurched.

And yes I am watching both games at once.

BShark said:

Mahomes is hurt. Doesn't look good at all. @Crimsonorblue22 @KirkIsMyHinrich

I am sorry fellow AFC West fan.

Agbaji time?

BeddieKU23 said:

Agbaji time?

Agbaji is better than Grimes fight me.

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

Agbaji time?

Agbaji is better than Grimes fight me.

I won't.

I think there is a contractual obligation to talk about Duke every game on ESPN and I'm not joking.

Dedric has 75 year old body

I mean how can you not get that ball zero hustle

I can't believe they're covering half the screen showing stuff about the acc.

And then makes a great play. Wow

wissox said:

I can't believe they're covering half the screen showing stuff about the acc.

I can.

Dedric O-fer at the line? Looks terrible

BeddieKU23 said:

I mean how can you not get that ball zero hustle

That was on Vick.

Dotson always wants to go 1000 miles an hour

Tough

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

I mean how can you not get that ball zero hustle

That was on Vick.

Your right

Chiefs up 17 - we're up 16. Both have been known to blow big leads - can both hold on?????

No foul. Refs are blind

DanR said:

Dedric O-fer at the line? Looks terrible

2/4

@DCHawker don’t even say thst🤪✌️

Wow dedric didnt even try on 3 attempts

If Q can start hitting 3's it makes this team so much better.

Dedric 3 fouls? Huh Fran

Didn't Mason play 4 years at okie state?

Ivy League

Yale

Wow.we got lucky

What

@Bshark I told you that the Chiefs would win by a couple touchdowns, mr. pessimist.

Garrett shot a knuckleball

I think I remember having an 18 point lead in this game before.

He’s their 1 grad transfer

@KirkIsMyHinrich I think the Chiefs blew a 3 or 4 touchdown lead against the Colts in the playoffs a few years ago - let's not get ahead of ourselves...

Travel.

Stop

Travel

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D is feisty today

Mitch foil?

Can we figure out why Lightfoot is bleeding from the mouth?

Mitch might need a stitch

@DanR That's a bitch...

Scott drew sit down you wuss

Look at it

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Can we figure out why Lightfoot is bleeding from the mouth?

Seems that may be a shot to the head? Is that what you are insinuating?

Pretty sure that's a flagrant on BayLOL...

That's illegal in football, but OK in basketball. Head to head contact.

On second thought, no. Just saw the replay.

Bwag said:

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Can we figure out why Lightfoot is bleeding from the mouth?

Seems that may be a shot to the head? Is that what you are insinuating?

No I was just wondering why a KU player was bleeding from the mouth. Problem?

Pushed by 0 into the other Baylor player

There is never a "quick" review Franny cakes.

10 steals last game, 10 blocks this game...what the heck is going on?

Mitch taking one for the team.

Poor mitch

Bwag said:

10 steals last game, 10 blocks this game...what the heck is going on?

For as much as Doke helps on offense, he made the defense much worse.

BShark said:

Bwag said:

10 steals last game, 10 blocks this game...what the heck is going on?

For as much as Doke helps on offense, he made the defense much worse.

can't argue with you but doesn't seem right...

Finish, Dotson.

Man that was one UGLY possession!

In your face!

Is Vick back?

Vick's lack of caring is both good and bad. It's good for shooting 3's.

Wow

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Vick's lack of caring is both good and bad. It's good for shooting 3's.

Funny

DanR said:

Man that was one UGLY possession!

I think Baylor thugball had something to do with that. shove in the back on every player.

Ugly game

Damn chiefs

Chiefs had punt blocked for TD - 17-7

DCHawker said:

Chiefs had punt blocked for TD - 17-7

IT BEGINS

@Bwag Vick’s feet r set and he’s not dribbling so much

Baylor's not very good. How did ISU lose to these guys?

@approxinfinity

Florida St was equally punkish

@Crimsonorblue22 good observation...not passing either

Big guy is good and isu is one lucky mf team

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Baylor's not very good. How did ISU lose to these guys?

Mason had 25

But Clark is like ku losing dedric

@BeddieKU23 Leonard Hamilton's boys usually are.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Baylor's not very good. How did ISU lose to these guys?

ISU isn't that good. KU played their worst game of the season in Ames.

Crimsonorblue22 said:

Big guy is good and isu is one lucky mf team

KU takes care of the ball and wins easily in Ames.

BShark said:

DCHawker said:

Chiefs had punt blocked for TD - 17-7

IT BEGINS

But that's not a defensive collapse

Bwag said:

BShark said:

DCHawker said:

Chiefs had punt blocked for TD - 17-7

IT BEGINS

But that's not a defensive collapse

I'm really worried Andy will get conservative on offense.

BShark said:

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Baylor's not very good. How did ISU lose to these guys?

ISU isn't that good. KU played their worst game of the season in Ames.

I kind of think ISU just really put a lot of emotional energy into that game and played well. But they can't sustain level of play from game to game.

And also Kansas played badly, ya.

Come on jesus refs

How is that not a flagrant ?

DanR said:

How is that not a flagrant ?

Waco rules

If DLaw goes down for that loose ball he has it...instead, hesitates and Baylor gets it.

Head's part of the ball I guess?

Thugs

Lol and they call that a foul?

Apparently if you take someone down by the neck it's not a foul.

@Bwag has 3 fouls too

@kjayhawks

Oh same rules in Arizona too

Konate out for season good news for DLaw

Looks the refs are gonna get their quota and make this one close.

Fran who was foul on?

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THEY PLAYING DIRTY MANE.....THEY TRYNA TAKE Y'ALL OUT 1 BY 1......
ALL THAT MEANS IS......GO HARDER

@Bwag Maybe, but Doke, Clark, Konate and Wade injuries are not good for the league's prospects in the post-season...not that WVU and Baylor are making post-season plans...

Clank city

Garrett finally with a basket on a running layup high off the glass

Lol. Did they seriously call that on agbaji

DanR said:

Clank city

microphones on the rims...loud

@Bwag

My memory says hes about 1 for 25 now

Bwag said:

Konate out for season good news for DLaw

Also good for jayhawk nation.

We needed them to beat everyone else

KU defense is :fire: today outside of Q.

So. West Virginia worst team in the league then?

@DCHawker don't disagree...not celebrating that, but Konate's blocking would probably be trouble for DLaw`s old man game

My God it's been no autopsy no foul for the boys in blue here. Self needs to get T'd up before we get more guys hurt.

@BShark grimes getting boards?

I think we could half flop

@KirkIsMyHinrich

Except when they play us

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@BShark grimes getting boards?

6 so far

Vick found his shot buried in the back yard.

Vick en fuego

Agbaji is amazingly bouncy

AO amazing...some quick twitch muscles...

🦜

Maybe on mahomes

Miraculously

Lol at Roy/UNC

Td

Chiefs get the TD back - 24-7.

Going big here with Dedric KJ and Dave

Love mahomed😍

Fran🤮

Not Dave

DanR said:

Going big here with Dedric KJ and Dave

Billy is flexing on Drew so hard.

Shut up

@BShark to easy

hack a hawk

Fouls all over

Mitch come back out from the locker room yet?

Vick shooting > Vick dribbling

Can do bandoo

@Bwag That's not saying much...

Hutch?

@DanR no

Can we just call the game lol. You just dont see 20 point games this late in going that are this physical. Hopefully Self get guys out here soon time for David, Moore and KJ.

Crimsonorblue22 said:

Hutch?

Bandoo? Yes.

Gaines don't quit

Cutest kids

They love kc

Drew likes those skinny kids

Waco doesn't look anything like the scenes they show on fixer upper.

Really Scotty? REALLY?

Lots to fixer up

56% 3 point shooting has helped for sure...beats around 20% we have seen

Chuck time

Charlie didnt chuck it there first opportunity

See mitch

Big Dave contributes little to this team. His line is all zeros except for 1 foul. I know he hasn't played too much, I'd like to see what he can do.

Chuvk

Bwag said:

Charlie didnt chuck it there first opportunity

But two opportunities were too much

Lol down to 10

Crafty Billy making this look closer.

@Bwag

It amazes me a kid can play that shoots without looking at the hoop

BShark said:

Crafty Billy making this look closer.

Luring the league to underestimate us...is that the theory?

Drew pos

Bwag said:

BShark said:

Crafty Billy making this look closer.

Luring the league to underestimate us...is that the theory?

Something like that. He didn't have to put in Dave, Chuck et al

Ouch 23 O reb for Baylor. But, if you shoot poorly, I guess you're bound to get more O rebs.

Bwag said:

Bwag said:

Charlie didnt chuck it there first opportunity

But two opportunities were too much

Its true. Chuck will never touch the ball 3 times in a possession without shooting. Never. Ever. If he does I will shave my head.

@BShark good coaching material

@approxinfinity are you bald already?

@Bwag lol. no.

@approxinfinity I'm gonna be watching Chucky more closely then and hold you to it

Down to 9

My theory is if this game had been at 8-9 points instead of 20 that Baylol doesn't go on this run.

@Bwag @approxinfinity if he's running point and brings the ball down, is that touch 1?

@BShark

Another theory is we just stink

@Bwag umm.. lets go with no :joy:

@stoptheflop They've gotten 14 more RBs than us this half...

Good God, we can't finish games.

approxinfinity said:

@Bwag umm.. lets go with no :joy:

I'd say you are safe then

It's less of a Baylor run and more of a KU not doing jack

BeddieKU23 said:

@BShark

Another theory is we just stink

Disagree a bit. KU was in control then Self threw in the scrubs AND slowed down the offense to drain clock.

If Baylor doesnt play their f- minus game. Well I'm just glad they did

KU made Baylor look pretty bad on offense when the good defenders were in.

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

@BShark

Another theory is we just stink

Disagree a bit. KU was in control then Self threw in the scrubs AND slowed down the offense to drain clock.

And protect folks from physical play

Bwag said:

approxinfinity said:

@Bwag umm.. lets go with no :joy:

I'd say you are safe then

I almost want to say yes though. I still don't think he can resist.

That last sequence let's ua know just how bad we really are

Vick passing....mmmm

@BeddieKU23 and how bad Baylor is too

Baylor has taken 25 more shots than KU in this game. Unreal.

He could send a pic of anyone

BShark said:

Baylor has taken 25 more shots than KU in this game. Unreal.

wow...hadnt looked at that yet

Vick with the no look.

Get vick off the floor, maybe?

This is just an embarrassing finish....

Vick?

Glad to see Agbaji out there end game though.

This isn't a good team. Embarrassing

Good bye Vick...do not dribble, do not pass

Why are you embarrassed?

Looks like the Clemson game from last year.

D dot come on

They have 24 offensive rebounds to our 4....

Wow

DanR said:

Get vick off the floor, maybe?

If we don't need 3 point shooting, pull him....new coaching rule. And up plus 10, running clock...go elsewhere than Vick

Yeah, our ability to rebound on the defensive end is suspect. But Baylor usually presents problems in that dept.

@DCHawker didn't we have that at isu?

Can't use the Poke-A-Doke strategy. HA HA

Weren't we up like 20 with 3 minutes to go???

57.7% FT% with Dok on the bench the whole game...hmmm

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Lol

Dotson gone, bring in Moore over Vick now

DanR said:

Can't use the Poke-A-Doke strategy. HA HA

:100: Doke's absence benefits this team in many ways.

Vick back in, shit

@Crimsonorblue22 we killed ISU on the boards. Shooting was the issue there with defense.

Bwag said:

57.7% FT% with Dok on the bench the whole game...hmmm

Garrett and Dedric...

Texas Hawk 10 said:

Vick back in, shit

Mixed bag now...might need a shot...but put him on the other end of the court

@kjayhawks I know

Lagerald Vick, Player of the Game.

Dotson 14 points, 5 Reb, 5 assts, 5 fouls.

Oh man, KU could actually lose this.

I hope self has practice in Waco tonight. Sad effort down the stretch

@approxinfinity for both teams

Baylor 25 o boards.

BeddieKU23 said:

I hope self has practice in Waco tonight. Sad effort down the stretch

Let off the gas way too early. Holy crap.

Gurley smiling

BShark said:

Baylor 25 o boards.

One of their strengths

Bwag said:

BShark said:

Baylor 25 o boards.

One of their strengths

But still...

What, no highlights andd handshake line...

@BShark put the b team in

Really happy for Legerald, warts and all. Absolutely need good Vick to be a factor this year.

Mahonnes still in...

Too many silly turnovers and missed FTs late, should've been a 15 point win. Rebounding was terrible the last 8 minutes.

@approxinfinity self knows it. Think they had a really good talk!

Take a road win and move along...coach them up

@Crimsonorblue22 Agree, it seems like they talked. He was calm this game, came in focused. Was there a report about a talk?

@approxinfinity no, just no dumb dribbling into crowds, etc

approxinfinity said:

Really happy for Legerald, warts and all. Absolutely need good Vick to be a factor this year.

but no more dribbling or passing more than necessary

approxinfinity said:

Lagerald Vick, Player of the Game.

Player of 36 minutes. That last 4 minutes might have been his worst stretch of the season.

Did it look like they flopped a lot? Thought they were rough w/Dedric

Damn good effort for 36 minutes today, last 4 overall were worse than the ISU game.

as to FT%, apart from Grimes & Dotson, everyone else shot 50% or worse from the line....just edged out 3pt shooting % 59% to 56%...

What happened to dot on throws?

As @BShark pointed out, FGA disparity was crazy 75-44, almost 30 more for BU. Just wow

Rebound margin 50-31 a crazy -19 for KU and on the offensive RB side of the ledger.

@Bwag

Yeah that happens when there was little effort to rebound the ball.

In tight games we really dont have a player to count on for ft's

@BeddieKU23 we did! D dot, Lawson's and Vick too

@BeddieKU23 some of boards might be called fouls at other places?

@Crimsonorblue22

Vick is terrible at the line and never gets there anyway. Dot is a freshman but normally is ok. Dedric is hit or miss. We certainly miss the svis, devonte and Frank's of the world

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@BeddieKU23 some of boards might be called fouls at other places?

True about 10 muggings missed.

Crazy bad as our FT% was, FT's are what won the game for us. 3pt makes were even at 9. They actually had 1 more made FG overall than us. That leaves FT's, where we got 27-15 attempt margin and made 16 vs their 9...they edged us by <1% in FT%.

Crazy statistical game

Today's was Vick's bday

Maybe he'll get a passing game for it!

Or is that mean

@Bwag I'd say it's a good thing🎁🤔

@Bwag If Tristan had played we may not have got any rebounds, and very well could have lost. Just pathetic!!!

Big Clyde52 said:

@Bwag If Tristan had played we may not have got any rebounds, and very well could have lost. Just pathetic!!!

Nah

Seriously we put in the B team, drew didnt, next time run up the score. Is that not what happened?

@Crimsonorblue22 Could be. But why did we act like we were running the old four corners offense in the last four minutes? Not quite the way you teach your team to finish a game.

Crimsonorblue22 said:

He could send a pic of anyone

I'd send a picture of Bezos.

Bwag said:

@Bwag @approxinfinity if he's running point and brings the ball down, is that touch 1?

I think it is much worse than 'prox says. I am convinced Charlie thinks about stopping to shoot between every dribble, no matter where he is on the court--even after getting a defensive rebound. Heck, he probably think he should shoot when he catches an out of bounds ball while sitting on the bench.

Of course for the first 10 minutes we stopped them stone cold and grabbed every defensive rebound.

Big Clyde52 said:

@Crimsonorblue22 Could be. But why did we act like we were running the old four corners offense in the last four minutes? Not quite the way you teach your team to finish a game.

Bill's fault.

@BShark Yeah, I think he took the blame, as well he should.

@Crimsonorblue22 Yep people forget that there run at the end started with Charlie, KJ and David on the floor. Dot missed 2 fts to start it aswell. I dont blame Self, we have a game Monday so getting guys out early and being able to keep them out would be been nice.

Well that was an interesting finish! Mother effer.
A few things that stood out to me:

— That’s how to use Vick. Less dribbling, more spot up shooting. Even less dribbling would be better.

— Statistically Dotson looked good, but I thought he was a bit sloppy. Still love his ability to get to the hoop. His D was off too.

— 26 offensive rebounds for Baylor? That has to be a typo, or a World Record. Somebody call Guinness. Or the NCAA to get Silvio cleared.

— which brings me to PT for bigs other than D Lawson...about 20 minutes. Not much. Other guys have to man up and hit the boards.

— crazy stat line: fg/3pt/ft percentages all in the 50s. Odd.

— what did Mitch whisper in Self’s ear after he ran into dude’s head?

— I think we found a worse free throw shooter than Dok (Vital)

— ochai continues to impress. Looks good across the board. Was the initial red shirt Self’s worst decision since adding Anrio?

— it’s official: I have decided Grimes simply does not look like a basketball player. Maybe a slugging outfielder?

jayhawkcsg said:

— ochai continues to impress. Looks good across the board. Was the initial red shirt Self’s worst decision since adding Anrio?

— it’s official: I have decided Grimes simply does not look like a basketball player. Maybe a slugging outfielder?

This is truly bizarre. Such a quick turnaround too, just his second game in and Self had him inbound the ball in crunch time.

The sample size is still extremely small but he looks really solid. Not going to take over a game at this point but just really solid. Somehow is ORTG went UP with the Baylor game, and it was 159 after his debut...

Which leads into Grimes. Watching them play, who would anyone think was the much higher recruit? It's just kind of sad with Q at this point. I think he swallows his pride and comes back, but we will see.

Some of Q and Ochai's stats are similar, but it's how they get them and the fact that Ochai is MUCH better defensively. Now, obviously Ochai will not end up at 50% from three but it's all the little things as well. Remarkable to see a FR so far along, let alone one that was taking a RS.

@jayhawkcsg I have to believe that it is mostly that Ochai has improved a lot..both Self and Ochai's mother said as much. However, I agree, the calmness and the basketball IQ stuff must have been there from the start. Puzzling, indeed.

Here's my observations from inside the arena yesterday.

Agabaji looked like he may have an even bigger impact on this team than Silvio had last year.

Without Doke, this is a bad rebounding team. Dedric is good rebounder for a 4, but he's not good when he's the lone post player. This is a 30+ point win if KU rebounded well yesterday. When Grimes (6) and Dotson (5) are your leading rebounders, that's not good.

Grimes needs to come back and he may end up being a 4 year guy. He's a poor man's Wayne Selden at this point.

Marcus Garrett does not get enough credit for what he contributes to this team. He's not a shooter and that will never be a strength of his and that's fine. He does other things on offense to contribute. He sets good screens, he protects the ball, makes good passes, and gets others in good spots.

One thing Insaw a couple of times that I think Self should do more to take advantage of Garrett's lack of scoring is to stock Garrett in the corner when he doesn't have ball in his hands. If a defender forgets about him or helps too far away, send Garrett to the basket for an easy lob. I still think Garrett should be running point more to get Dotson off the ball to take advantage of his shooting because he's the best pure shooter KU has.

Lagerald Vick was great for most of the game. It was good to see him making shots so hopefully he's getting on another hot streak. His defense on King McClure was also way better than expected as well. His last few minutes were bad though. He should not be on the floor when teams are pressuring KU because he crumbles the brighter the spotlight.

Dotson is not going to be a KU for 4 years. His on court leadership is getting better. He definitely still makes his share of freshman mistakes and likely will throughout the year.

Dedric was Dedric on offense. A big part of the rebounding issues are because of how Dedric was playing defense. He was going for blocks and steals in the paint all game and ended up 5 of each. Those blocks and steals came at the expense of his rebounding though as he only had 3 of them. As great as it was to see Dedric get those blocks and steals, I don't rebounding tradeoff was worth it though.

KJ gave some good minutes in the first half and I'd like to see him play some more because I think it's a matter of time before his offense get clicking and he can become a post scoring option off the bench for KU.

Mitch needs to play alongside either Dedric or McCormack. He's a great weak side player on both ends. He's gelreat at helping and getting blocks and rebounds from the weak side. On offense, he's good on the weak side as well getting easy lay ups and lobs when his man goes to double a second post.

David McCormack has a very bright future at KU, but he showed yesterday why he's not getting more minutes yesterday. Both of Baylor's big runs yesterday started when McCormack was on the floor. He was so far out of position on defense yesterday that he's why Baykir closed the gap midway through the first half and when Baylor began their comeback at the end of the game. He was also totally useless on offense as well. The two spots he came in for yesterday were ideal situations to try and get him extended minutes, but he was so terrible yesterday he couldn't stay out there otherwise KU would've ended up losing.

Charlie Moore is just not a good fit for this team. He's a terrible defender, a ball hog on offense, and is out of control on most of his drives. I really wouldn't be shocked to see him transfer out either after this season or next year as a grad transfer.

This is a good team with an insanely high ceiling as the neutral court wins over Michigan St., Tennessee, and Marquette show. This is also a really young team that will have some hick ups and poor games like the end of the ASU and the entire ISU games shown. This isn't a title team this year, the consistency just isn't there this year due largely to youth, but should be a favorite next year as almost the entire core of this team will be back next year.

@Texas-Hawk-10 Very good summary. I also hope there is good news for SDS next year and Braun and Mackey can push our guards to the extent of their ability. Adding Hurt would be a bonus.

@Big-Clyde52 I don't see Silvio ever playing college basketball again.

@Texas-Hawk-10 Fair points all around.

Ochai is just so poised it's insane. The opposite of Dave.

I've wanted Dave to play more but when he plays like he did yesterday we see why he shouldn't. He just isn't ready.

Agree on Grimes, will he swallow his pride or end up in Europe after this season? With his family ties to KU, I hope it works out that he sticks around.

Garrett is very important to this team, the season flashed before my eyes when he was rolling around in pain for a bit. Does everything but shoot well.

At this point, I'd happily take just a 2nd year from Dotson.

Mitch as the lone big is very rough, the problem is as mentioned Dave isn't ready and Silvio isn't allowed to play. Not a lot of options here for Bill.

I could see that as well with Charlie. Self clearly trusts Ochai and is giving him minutes. Mostly at the expense of Charlie who has played 10 total minutes (5 per game) in the last two games. His previous season low for a game was 11. Add to this that Self is bringing in two more guards already and is eyeing another combo guard, it's hard to see how Charlie fits in next season.

There is a fantasy world where every good player but Vick and Silvio return.

I only remember one big out of position error by Big Dave, and that was when we were pressing and he left his guy open under the bucket — or we assume it was his guy. I blame that more on us just putting the press into play, and not practicing much.

Not his best game, but overblown, I think, to say he’s not ready for more action.

@jayhawkcsg Dave out of position a lot yesterday, and that play you specifically mentioned was absolutely his man. In a press, the 5 has under the basket in case someone leaks out.

Most of his other issues were being slow on switches and other issues like that that aren't as noticeable to a casual viewer.

@BShark My personal take on Charlie is that he'll be back next year and be a grad transfer after 2020.

Grimes seems to have a more level head on him tha. Selby did so I think he'll be back.

KU already has two committed with the two guaranteed openings. I think KU ends up losing two more with Silvio and Doke. I just don't see Silvio ever getting cleared and I think he leaves late summer once that becomes the outcome. I think Doke leaves to start his pro career otherwise he might not have one if he comes back next year and has injury issues again.

KU ends up anywhere between 2 and 6 openings and I think the number ends up being 4.

@Texas-Hawk-10 yea, I can’t argue he played well. And I did watch the game at midnight, so I was a bit bleary eyed.
But, his performance in other games makes me believe he has earned the right to be on the floor.

And in general it is fair to say our team struggles with defensive switches all over the floor. Way more so than in previous years.

@Texas-Hawk-10 I would be quite pleased with that roster, regardless of which recruits would be added.