A bit early, but I'm ready for this game to start.

5 point favorites. We win by 15 if we take care of the ball.

Hope self wears the pullover again

Expect Esa Ahmads career night

Kcmatt7 said:

5 point favorites. We win by 15 if we take care of the ball.

WVU is super trash. This line is disrespectful as hell.

OTOH this KU team should have had super easy big wins the last two games and let them end up much closer so I can see the logic behind it.

@BShark

Also we have lost in Morgantown every year but twice

BeddieKU23 said:

@BShark

Also we have lost in Morgantown every year but twice

This year feels different. WVU is 0-5 in the league though TCU is really their only blowout loss.

No reason for KU to lose this one. Their guards are really bad. Might be a super ugly game to watch though.

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

@BShark

Also we have lost in Morgantown every year but twice

This year feels different. WVU is 0-5 in the league though TCU is really their only blowout loss.

No reason for KU to lose this one. Their guards are really bad. Might be a super ugly game to watch though.

Do you trust this team to not turn it over 20 times against them? I dont but this is by far the worst huggy team since joining the league

This game sits up to be a very dangerous game today for several reasons. -- # 1 -- West Virginia come of just a ridiculous beat down from TCU - -31 points, no one should EVER lose by 31 to TCU - - # 2 it's at West Virginia and they are playing KU and the idiots will be acting like fools in the stands trying to get fired up - -if they know how - - # 3 We really haven't played a complete game this year and have just got to play to our tempo and avoid the ref's giving them every call possible. - - # 4 - Classic -trap game before HUGE Monday Night against Iowa State - we can't afford to be looking ahead , we haven't had played well enough to look ahead - -would be nice to see a double digit win for a change but doubtful - -I'll settle for another single digit win better then the loss especially on the road - -we have to win these type games to repeat. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

BeddieKU23 said:

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

@BShark

Also we have lost in Morgantown every year but twice

This year feels different. WVU is 0-5 in the league though TCU is really their only blowout loss.

No reason for KU to lose this one. Their guards are really bad. Might be a super ugly game to watch though.

Do you trust this team to not turn it over 20 times against them? I dont but this is by far the worst huggy team since joining the league

Yes actually. WVU is the worst defensive team in the league by a wide margin. 6 teams in top 30 D on Kenpom from the Big 12 though.

Sell out in Morgantown. Going to be a tough one.

Listening to fran shortens your life span

Dan (Dakich) to Fran Ugh.

Nice finish, Vick.

So Grimes travels and then their big does the same and its play on

I didn't really see Grimes travel tbh

Ask fran

Lazy pass, Vick.

Why not just throw it away

What - am I so far behind?

Vick with the assist!

Bwag said:

What - am I so far behind?

I'm usually ahead for some reason.

Goodbye. You all must be 2 min ahead of me.

Tackling in Morgantown

Dedric got fouled.

Foul on dedric

I’ve still got the pre-game

@Bwag What are you watching it on? Your TV?

Well on our way to 30 turnovers

Good D

Vick auto

U suck fran

Announcer dude, our arena is not called Phog Allen.

I continue to hate Fran.

@wissox tweet him

@KirkIsMyHinrich I agree and I continue to hate referees too.

@Crimsonorblue22 I don't know how to tweet

Was it dick itch?

I still hold my breath when Garrett has the ball on offense. But, he's starting out well.

Just about zero defense being played in this game.

They keep preaching well out but I see dozens of open seats behind each basket.

BShark said:

Just about zero defense being played in this game.

Time for option b. Option a was crap

Why not zone this bad team

They said 19 points vs Iowa, not Iowa St. lol

REALLY ESPN? Including Doke in that graphic?

Sure haley career night

No fouls starting early.

Dotson that was so stupid

Dotson needs to give that one up. Not a charge, though. But we're in Morgantown so.

welp

Fran trying to will WVU to a win.

Fran is pissed

@BShark As is tradition.

It sure what Dotson was thinking there. Should have had a easy layup.

Yikes.

Not sure where this team is going score if Garrett thinks going aside to side is going to work

Wow, thanks for the ball refs

Dotson was screwed

Ochai with his first oops

Nice rebound by Ochai, though.

9 points in 8 minutes. well on our way to 40 and a 2nd half meltdown

@wissox did dick itch we played in phog Allen?

@Crimsonorblue22 ??

wissox said:

@Crimsonorblue22 ??

Asking which announcer said we played in Phog Allen I think.

A lotta arm on the Grimes block. Just need to make shot around the rim all ready 3 misses from point blank range. We knew this would be muddy and ugly.

U said the announcer said phog Allen instead of AFH, right?

In a battle with the worst team in the league.

@BShark so far

Lots of empty seats

Dotson has 2 fouls already, ouch.

BShark said:

In a battle with the worst team in the league.

Wait to you see Stillwater.

The other guy said Phog allen fieldhouse. I think Fran at least knows the name of our gym.

Mugged

@BeddieKU23 I'm calling 911 on that one.

Lol Charlie moore is an abomination

Charlie Moore is bad.

Nice KJ

Okay so this KU team is gonna turn it over 30+ times and hand WVU a win. Professional courtesy from Bill to Bob.

Nice kj

@BShark I see you're back to predicting KU losses! Thanks, we'll enjoy this victory!

Great defense.

Marcus, d clinic

Good d by Garrett!

D!

Garrett is good when he drives.

8 turnovers already. Just under the point total

9 and counting

our fast breaks have SUCKED

/captain obvious

Dotson could have waited a little bit so Garrett had an easier pass, too.

A,axing how bad this team is at fast breaks. Amongst other things.

Big Dave giving energy.

Garrett is taking over.

Marcus

Should be a good game for Big Dave... as long as we don't run the offense through him

WVU basically can slap and reach with impunity today.

Wow 16 combined turnovers so far.

Would be nice if we build on the lead after this break

I feel like we should be up 10

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

WVU basically can slap and reach with impunity today.

Usually every game. Huggy's plan since getting there has been dare the refs to call it.

Careless turnovers...Man! But play the energy guys...Mac, KJ,

Garrett = 6 points and 3 steals so far.

Lots of fouls there

kjayhawks said:

I feel like we should be up 10

Easily if the team was playing halfway decent.

@Crimsonorblue22 The early block on Grimes drive...there was an enormous amount of body contact.

Energy!

Speaking of chopped liver, fran

@Hawk8086 a foul in any other game against any other team in any other building

Tre Jones isn't the best defender in college basketball. Bilas is a homer.

Kj making sure he gets shots up in case he sits the next 5 games

Dotson is so timid today on offense

KJ, 4 other guys on the floor buddy

KJ making a strong case for Bill to never play him again.

Doke would have shit all over this WVU team. Big Dave making a difference

I see mo reasons to play Grimes today

Grimes shot is too flat

This game is as ugly as Huggy

Lol jump ball. Yeah refs

Can we see that jump ball again?

Grimes is useless today

Kcmatt7 said:

Grimes shot is too flat

30 feet away from his range too

Fran I'm still looking at that

The rules of basketball change in this building

Lawson is the one we need to get going. Those are his first points.

Kcmatt7 said:

The rules of basketball change in this building

And tempe arizona

This game is a crime against the sport.

Grimes shoot to hard too

BeddieKU23 said:

Kcmatt7 said:

Grimes shot is too flat

30 feet away from his range too

I firmly believe he is only a few degrees off of his release from being an elite shooter.

Somehow that worked. Nice shot, Vick.

way to corral that pass, vick

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

@Bwag What are you watching it on? Your TV?

Sling

Why is dot refusing to shoot?

@Bwag That might be why then.

So after the third hack, slam, shove on Dedric, they finally call a foul. Ridiculous

Lawson fouled that entire drive to the hoop lol

@DanR Are you crazy? That was the 5th hack/foul/slam on Dedric!

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WVU has looked bad on offense...problem is...we have looked almost as bad....we've had decent shots that we should have made. But the execution has still been very poor.

Kcmatt7 said:

Lawson fouled that entire drive to the hoop lol

And somehow WVU fans were still mad it was called.

@wissox Oops. I didn't count the two knees to the groin

Only 3 shots put up be Dedric and 1 by Dotson. Gotta get these guys going.

West Virginia is like Big East Iowa St. Fans boo at everything.

Woodrow said:

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Yeaaaah sometimes this team just turns it over nonstop like they have never touched a basketball before. It's mindboggling and when they play like this they can lose to anyone.

BShark said:

Kcmatt7 said:

Lawson fouled that entire drive to the hoop lol

And somehow WVU fans were still mad it was called.

How the Big 12 coaches haven’t complained enough to get refs to ruin Huggys “they can’t call everything” strategy is beyond me.

stoptheflop said:

Only 3 shots put up be Dedric and 1 by Dotson. Gotta get these guys going.

I bet Self was annoyed that Dotson didn't take that wide open transition three.

@BeddieKU23 Dot has passed up at least two open threes and set up Grimes clankers

First team to 50 wins today I think.

Dedric has some pretty manly moves fighting to the hoop

DanR said:

@BeddieKU23 Dot has passed up at least two open threes and set up Grimes clankers

And he has 4 turnovers. Not his day.

If KU could hold onto the ball this would be an easy win...

Bad pass.

Dedric also has a smooth FT shot

@BShark It is going to be an easy win!

Oh boy Vick

Look self why double it gave up an easy dunk. Timeout is on you

I might have to rewind that missed lob... looked like Vick almost hit his head on the arena ceiling

Wow, no 3pt makes for either team in 1st half??

@StLJhawk

Are you shocked? We stink at them

Hard to believe this is a Kansas / Bill Self coached team.

At least we're ahead on boards, 18-10. Big Dave had 4 rebounds in 5 minutes.

So many unforced turnovers

I counted 4 fouls before a turnover

Yea but even a blind squirrel finds a bit sometimes... both teams... all half??

Do the wheels come off after this loss? Maybe a players only meeting?

3 turnovers by Ochai

Over the back.

BShark said:

Do the wheels come off after this loss? Maybe a players only meeting?

lol never change.

Vick continues his seesaw

It’s a joke we’re not in the bonus

A joke we are tied in fouls

Worst offensive team in history

Get Mitch out.

Kcmatt7 said:

It’s a joke we’re not in the bonus

Need to hold onto the ball.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Get Mitch out.

He's terrible.

This is worse than watching Wisconsin! We scored 25 at the half today!

Man that is some ugly ball

@wissox

We wont hit that

wissox said:

This is worse than watching Wisconsin! We scored 25 at the half today!

And you were playing a much better team.

It's a miracle this KU team only has two losses.

Garrett has to take that wide open three at the top of the key

This first half offensive rivals the 2013 TCU game.

@kjayhawks All time turd.

I think it was unitentional but Huggies stomach fouled two of our guys while they were running by him today.

13 Turnovers

Rebounding has been good

No foul?

@DanR
Ummm I’d prefer he’d not take that 3

BeddieKU23 said:

13 Turnovers

I blame myself.

lol Bill Self: "HOW MANY!?"

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

13 Turnovers

I blame myself.

I dont blame you. It's on self. Every year we come in here with different team and shit the bed

Kind of fitting that shit show ended in a tie

I hope that dude who fires the gun at the end of the half accidentally shoots himself someday....or Huggy.

23 points, 13 turnovers.

13 TOs for the good guys ugh

@wissox really surprised that is legal

BShark said:

23 points, 13 turnovers.

Well on the way for 20+

Color me shocked that wasnt a foul on Grimes. Were the refs not looking

Really pathetic offensive performance....but even with that...we're tied.

With basically 2 secondary ball handlers on the court at all times...

Dakitch is not in w Virginia

Anthony Edwards will visit KU

@Crimsonorblue22 I think shooting huggy would be considered self defense.

Nice free visit for him

The number of hip checks they get away with is a joke.

Frankly, I don't think this is a game other teams in the Big 12 have to play. Yes, West Virginia sucks this season but their fans and their players get up for KU more than any other team on the schedule.

@Crimsonorblue22 He did the prior badger game. I heard him there. That's what I was referring to.

@KirkIsMyHinrich

So why doesnt KU get up for them?

How do you prep for this game? Get the football team to scrimmage against?

Neither team has made a 3, neither team has missed a FT. Weird.

BeddieKU23 said:

@KirkIsMyHinrich

So why doesnt KU get up for them?

Good question. A lot of the players on KU have never played in Morgantown.

We should be up by 10-12, but the turnovers and bad execution have killed us. Who can improve on their performance in the 2nd half? Them or us? Problem is...you let a team not play well at home and tie you....

@Kcmatt7 go 9 on 5

Seriously, the difference in how each team is officiated is crazy. “It wasn’t THAT bad of a hip check” vs typical fouls called.

Hawk8086 said:

We should be up by 10-12, but the turnovers and bad execution have killed us. Who can improve on their performance in the 2nd half?

Dotson. 0 points, 0 assists, 4 turnovers.

I guess the Agbaji no turnover honeymoon is over...….

And I hate complaining about refs, but this is outrageous every single season.

tundrahok said:

Hawk8086 said:

We should be up by 10-12, but the turnovers and bad execution have killed us. Who can improve on their performance in the 2nd half?

Dotson. 0 points, 0 assists, 4 turnovers.

2 fouls too. And a ticket for speeding

Just need to cut down the TOs and make shots, then it's a blowout. If I was huggy, I'd pressure the hell outta us this half, we cant move the ball with little pressure.

Hawk8086 said:

I guess the Agbaji no turnover honeymoon is over...….

He did rebound at least

D dot will be better second half. Remember when the called 2 fouls on frank right off the bat? They were not fouls

We have any walk ons available? I mean refs of course.

WVU with 4th best HCA on Kenpom

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

BeddieKU23 said:

@KirkIsMyHinrich

So why doesnt KU get up for them?

Good question. A lot of the players on KU have never played in Morgantown.

It always goes deeper then that. I imagine this team will play the same way in Stillwater against an equally crap team

@BeddieKU23 So...there's that..:)

@kjayhawks

13 shots this team didnt get up. Ugh

Self didn't sound too upset. We're playing good D and rebounding. He likes that.

Offense is fools gold...

I'd like to see the shot chart. It probably looks like dokes from last season. Red paint inside 3 feet

Kcmatt7 said:

And I hate complaining about refs, but this is outrageous every single season.

It needs to change.

@BeddieKU23 plus the two charlie shot

@DanR

Stretched his streak to 15 games with a shot without looking at the hoop

There's a fast and the furious movie marathon on today. I wonder who the audience is for that.

@BeddieKU23 he was flying out of bounds sideways on that fast break. I'll give him some props for hitting the rim on that one.

Other than myself of course. Big fan.

I missed the entire first half - perhaps a good thing - 23 effing points??? Anything one thing account for the putridness...

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

There's a fast and the furious movie marathon on today. I wonder who the audience is for that.

The same people that would watch a Marvel marathon.

@DCHawker

Your so lucky your eyes and ears missed it

WVU players don't rebound well because their arms are used to coming down in a hacking motion rather than going up in the air to catch the ball

@DCHawker 13 turnovers, poor shooting.

The team quit on that play

Dotson is getting fouled. Come on.

Feed Dedric. Yolo.

Dotson got fouled like three times near the time line right there.

Bill gave the ref an earful after all that uncalled contact on Dotson

verticality fran

Wow Marcus made one

Dotson is way too timid today.

Make Up foul on culver

BShark said:

Dotson is way too timid today.

On cue.

Wow dot!!!

Good block my ass btw. Garrett got mugged.

timid? TIMID you say?

Grimes thinks that's defense. Sit him

Dot got that red faced talking to at half

Dotson two quickies

Nice finish, Garrett.

Marcus wow

After 1 shot attempt in the 1st half, no assists and 4 turnovers, maybe HCBS gently told Dotson he needed him to be a wee bit more aggressive???

BeddieKU23 said:

Dot got that red faced talking to at half

Bill pushing the right buttons.

If that's a foul on Garrett, Dotson has been fouled 4-5 times today.

Okay grimes

Now this is basketball

That's all Grimes seems to be able to do. So he should only practice 3's.

Found him

Huge Grimes

Scrappy

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

If that's a foul on Garrett, Dotson has been fouled 4-5 times today.

Soft ass touch call on Garret, WVU gets to mug. Standard.

That is the type of play we like to see from q

Garret has turned into a threat offensively last two games. I am both pleased and surprised. Hope it continues

Is doke on the bench!

Rough start to the 2nd half...but now a good stretch for a 4 pt lead. Garrett again with a steal..

Threes are falling finally

BShark said:

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

If that's a foul on Garrett, Dotson has been fouled 4-5 times today.

Soft ass touch call on Garret, WVU gets to mug. Standard.

WVU only has 6 fouls in the game somehow. Ridiculous.

I apologize for saying sit him after that defensive foul

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

BShark said:

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

If that's a foul on Garrett, Dotson has been fouled 4-5 times today.

Soft ass touch call on Garret, WVU gets to mug. Standard.

WVU only has 6 fouls in the game somehow. Ridiculous.

Refs grew up in Morgantown

Kubie said:

Garret has turned into a threat offensively last two games. I am both pleased and surprised. Hope it continues

He’s been the best player on the court the last two games.

Marcus Garrett is a steal machine.

Last year he was a good driver, he just lost that earlier this year. They r giving him space and he's taking it

@BeddieKU23 5 lashes

Garrett has 4 steals

Let’s sustain

Well, I'm beginning to think the Dillon's Chinese food I had for lunch might have been a mistake.

BeddieKU23 said:

Garrett has 4 steals

5

BShark said:

Marcus Garrett is a steal machine.

He has 5 steals lol

@DanR ruh ro

Nobody else on Kansas has a steal.

Marcus Garrett with a passable jump shot is a 12+ year NBA player. It might never materialize for him but I hope it does.

DCHawker said:

I missed the entire first half - perhaps a good thing - 23 effing points??? Anything one thing account for the putridness...

Turnovers and some missed shots up close

0 turnovers in the first 4 minutes here. Call the game.

@BShark he has the determination he can get better

Bwag said:

DCHawker said:

I missed the entire first half - perhaps a good thing - 23 effing points??? Anything one thing account for the putridness...

Turnovers and some missed shots up close

Don’t forget neither team got in the bonus

Thanks fran it couldn't possibly be that Marcus is a good defender because that's his DNA to stop his man

Kcmatt7 said:

Bwag said:

DCHawker said:

I missed the entire first half - perhaps a good thing - 23 effing points??? Anything one thing account for the putridness...

Turnovers and some missed shots up close

Don’t forget neither team got in the bonus

Brain melting fact here.

Interesting that WVU hasn't been pressing much.

The more physical the game gets, the less effective Dedric is. We are missing our muscle in Doke today big time.

Refs are making up for that game when they called something like 47 fouls on WVU

wissox said:

Interesting that WVU hasn't been pressing much.

I don’t think they can go 10 deep like usual.

kjayhawks said:

The more physical the game gets, the less effective Dedric is. We are missing our muscle in Doke today big time.

I mean in fairness hes fouled every single time he touches the ball

kjayhawks said:

The more physical the game gets, the less effective Dedric is. We are missing our muscle in Doke today big time.

Get Big Dave more minutes. Was good in the first half. Rebounded really well.

Kcmatt7 said:

wissox said:

Interesting that WVU hasn't been pressing much.

I don’t think they can go 10 deep like usual.

Agree. Not even close. Not enough dudes.

@DanR I don’t think they have the quickness to press well this year and trying has bit them in the ass so huggy is backing off it.

@kjayhawks

Yea Doke would be a big help today

Dedric and Mitch are ineffective so ya I think Dave needs a good stretch. The officials are just letting them play on both ends.

Smart move dedric

StLJhawk said:

@kjayhawks

Yea Doke would be a big help today

Or Silvio even.

Fouls on culver?

@Crimsonorblue22 3rd

Fran, you don't know

Vick that's your guy.

Gotta be 3 on culver now

And now a tight whistle, that is what I hate.

What was that?

What the HELL IS THAT CALL

Vick really soft on D

BeddieKU23 said:

What the HELL IS THAT CALL

lolololololol

KUGetsAllTheCalls

That's what I hate about the announcers!

Dedric got pushed in the back and then hacked on that rebound. Jesus

Coast to coast.... nope

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

What the HELL IS THAT CALL

lolololololol

KUGetsAllTheCalls

No seriously what did they call?

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Dedric got pushed in the back and then hacked on that rebound. Jesus

In the face too

Back to the turnover machine offense.

BeddieKU23 said:

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

What the HELL IS THAT CALL

lolololololol

KUGetsAllTheCalls

No seriously what did they call?

I’m lagging so I was looking for it and saw nothing

Just freaking call the damn game

Right on cue to blow the lead

lol ok

Nice pass, Dotson.

20% 3pt shooter 2-2

BIG TIME GRIMES

Wasn't a foul on d dot

Crimsonorblue22 said:

Wasn't a foul on d dot

Breathing on WVU is a foul on Dotson today

I checked box

I didn't realize it was legal for a WVU player to have his forearm in Dotson's neck

How does that happen on a in bounds play. Just not focused.

Frans diarrhea of the mouth is not fun to listen to

Why is KJ in???

kjayhawks said:

Why is KJ in???

To commit fouls

Wow Marcus is learning how to really finish

KJ has no business playing in this game

Wow are we bad in transition.

Jesuam kj

Ochai looked sluggish earlier

BeddieKU23 said:

Wow Marcus is learning how to really finish

Could be a real game changer.

Kcmatt7 said:

KJ has no business playing in this game

Yeah...my KJ hot takes are looking rancid rn.

About to double our first half output.

Fast breaks are really hard

I say give ochai the chance to redeem himself.

Can we see that out of bounds on Garrett again?

@BeddieKU23 Yes...give Agbaji another chance....

Yea kJ ain’t helping our cause much

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Can we see that out of bounds on Garrett again?

I'm sure hes in bounds but west Virginia has really blurry lines

Ochai can't be worse than KJ today.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Wow are we bad in transition.

Amazing for how athletic we are

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That’s a understatement

@Woodrow Yeah, I agree - really struggled to learn how to run the break - when I was 7 yrs old....

Woodrow said:

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That’s a understatement

Definitely an area for improvement. He's just a FR at least, so he will get better and I hope in a KU uniform.

@Kcmatt7 Just bad period. Going for 20+ TO's again. Pitiful!!!

BShark said:

Kcmatt7 said:

KJ has no business playing in this game

Yeah...my KJ hot takes are looking rancid rn.

You couldn’t have projected he’d be a D2 level player

To be fair, Frank Mason did not run a good break his freshman and sophomore years either.

Lightbulb garrett

DanR said:

To be fair, Frank Mason did not run a good break his freshman and sophomore years either.

Dotson is much better than Freshman Frank

Garrett’s getting to be a playa

Ochai should get another shot

Nice Dedric.

Kcmatt7 said:

DanR said:

To be fair, Frank Mason did not run a good break his freshman and sophomore years either.

Dotson is much better than Freshman Frank

Not close but I do wonder how Frank would have done if he got DD minutes.

Second time with 5 point lead - last one lasted about a minute...

Lawson, 1💪🏻

very hilarious when KJ dribbles wildly across the lane

Seriously A FOUL CALL IT

Good attempt there Grimes

Grimes clearly don't like contact - does not go hard to the bucket....

Sure

Pretty clear double dribble.

Joke

Missed big Dave for a lob

God damnit, ref.

What was that shot Q? Wow

assist, ref

My god ref

Ref with the assist

Buggy can’t believe they called a foul on his team

BShark said:

Kcmatt7 said:

DanR said:

To be fair, Frank Mason did not run a good break his freshman and sophomore years either.

Dotson is much better than Freshman Frank

Not close but I do wonder how Frank would have done if he got DD minutes.

I just remember Frank getting swatted at the rim about 1000 times lol

Big 3

Coming to double on Grimes and leaving Vick wide open is a bad plan.

Big 3 Vick!

The peaks and valleys of vicks the person is equally the same

Vick has the sweet stroke back.

Where’s Vick chasing Svis record from last season?

wissox said:

Vick has the sweet stroke back.

Notice he has a set shot and jump shot depending on where and how the play sets up

Key moment...up by 5 with the ball and get nothing....they then tie it up...could have gotten some separation. Anybody's game.

Dotson and Garrett both have 3 fouls now.

Why in hell is KJ getting huge minutes, hes killing us. Get him out idc if his daddy is crying.

I know this is stating the obvious...but we really need to scratch out a win here, folks.

Hawk8086 said:

Key moment...up by 5 with the ball and get nothing....they then tie it up...could have gotten some separation. Anybody's game.

This team just can't extend leads.

kjayhawks said:

Why in hell is KJ getting huge minutes, hes killing us. Get him out idc if his daddy is crying.

Because Moore sucks and Self is afraid to play Agbaji.

Hawk8086 said:

Key moment...up by 5 with the ball and get nothing....they then tie it up...could have gotten some separation. Anybody's game.

Thinking the same thing. Q didn’t go strong to the goal and then they got a 3 point play.

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@KirkIsMyHinrich And that is Classic Self...Agbajji has more positive stretches than bad...give him another shot in this game!

Woodrow said:

Hawk8086 said:

Key moment...up by 5 with the ball and get nothing....they then tie it up...could have gotten some separation. Anybody's game.

Thinking the same thing. Q didn’t go strong to the goal and then they got a 3 point play.

They could have easily called a foul. Grimes was hit

@BShark Would be happy with just holding them - not pissing them away>>>

Hawk8086 said:

@KirkIsMyHinrich And that is Classic Self...Agbajji has more positive stretches than bad...give him another shot in this game!

The weird thing is he had been trusting Agbaji in key moments.

I think self figures if KJ takes a a few elbows to the noggin, he'd fare better than Ochai would

Still, not near as ugly as the first half. More energy

Dotson, Grimes, Vick, KJ, Dave isn't a line-up I'd be going to often...

Only about 5 fouls on that possession b4 one is called

3rd time with 5 point lead...

I’m confident I could give KJ a game 1v1

BeddieKU23 said:

Only about 5 fouls on that possession b4 one is called

Welcome to the Bob Huggins philosophy. They can't call ALL of the fouls.

Silvio might make this team better.

10 pushes off every single time

Culver sits with his 40th foul

Lawson the boss

Nice 4 on culver!

Imagine if the refs called all the times WVU bigs hacked Dedric.

BeddieKU23 said:

Lawson the boss

Love that he’s getting physical

Dumb a$$ call

Such a weak call on Garrett. That's his 4th.

Joke call

But that wasnt good positioning to stop the drive

Again Garrett should not shoot 3s

I think that's a verticality call. HIs arms were invading his vertical space.

Omg omg omg omg omg

good lord, ref

lol that's a foul. Unreal

Definitely not winning if Marcus fouls out.

On his arms

That is terrible

lol ok refs

I guess the forearm is part of the ball.

What the hell? Jump ball???

Worst call I've seen this year

U r not the coach Fran

BShark said:

Worst call I've seen this year
Maybe ever.

Harris trying to be a hero

This is as much basketball as jam ball was with the trampolines.

My God CALL A FOUL

BeddieKU23 said:

My God CALL A FOUL

Big 12 ref: NO

BeddieKU23 said:

My God CALL A FOUL

But why? WVU never actually fouls

Smart shots

Yeah

KJ why.

Damn

Jesus grimes

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

My God CALL A FOUL

But why? WVU never actually fouls

Refs just call sympathy fouls on them to make it fair

Why can't we have nice things?

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He just fell down, and Grimes was nearby

1 pt game after this

Jeez

lol at KJ and Q

How do they miss that and 1 on dedrics last shot

Really bad exchange....4 pt lead...and KJ comes up short...but we make up for it by Grimes fouling a 3 pt shooter....could be the pivotal 20 seconds in the game, right there.

KJ needs to learn his role on this team.

Like, what is going through KJ's mind that he is thinking "I got this"???

Kj definitely spends too much time with charlie.

Wow 2 missed layups and a BS foul call could doom us here.

BShark said:

Like, what is going through KJ's mind that he is thinking "I got this"???

Charlie's mindset. Hes living through him

kjayhawks said:

Wow 2 missed layup and a BS foul call could doom us here.

Feels like a lot of missed lay-ups today.

I don't get nervous til the last minute.

BShark said:

Like, what is going through KJ's mind that he is thinking "I got this"???

“IVe JuSt BEeN OFF. IM dUe.”

Correction this game on Self for KJ extended minutes, seems like hes been out there for 20 minutes.

Why don't we ever see replays of fouls against Kansas?

Wow he missed

kjayhawks said:

Correction this game on Self for KJ extended minutes, seems like hes been out there for 20 minutes.

16

HA HA, missed one

HOLY SHIT that was a soft ass foul call. Wasn't sure live but the slomo replay shows what a joke it was.

BAMA 👀

That shot!

Afraid to double Dedric and leave Vick open

Whoo hoooo

I'd like to see Dedric throw that down.

Jesus they missed the and 1 again after the make

Hell ya, Garrett.

All day

Wow

Nice rare foul on them!

That could have been an and 1...

@DCHawker

Everything could be. Its sad

No and 1's here

Hey look, we're up 6 despite the end of the world foul on the three pointer

OK.....6 pt lead with 2:32.....we need a bucket or two and a stop or two..and we win...…..probably need to make FTs. too.

Etc!

Ball needs to stay on Vick's side of the court on offense

BeddieKU23 said:

Jesus they missed the and 1 again after the make

WVU doesn't foul

Rebirth of “Bad Ball”

@justanotherfan the Garrett dedric PnR game looks deadly...

Garrett no.

I love Marcus Garrett.

That was stupid

Tennessee might lose. If they do 3 of the top 4 teams are going to lose today.

Except for when he misses jump shots basically. lol

Again Vick soft D

wissox said:

Tennessee might lose. If they do 3 of the top 4 teams are going to lose today.

Can’t all 4? Can we just shoot a missile at Cameron indoor?

And just like that we do exactly what we do to not put the game away

Well, so much for the 6 pt lead..we hardly knew ye.

@Hawk8086

Your a jinx. Lol

4th time this half we've given up a quick 5 points to them after getting the lead....

Garrett one on five for pull up at ft line.

That’s our offense?

C’mon guys hold On here

Pretty smart to go at Dedric defensively.

Awful shot from Marcus. Gotta get Dedric the ball.

Time to show some toughness

Need a basket here.

Need a bucket badly

Well, if we hadn't been up 6, we'd be losing

KU should play through Dedric more.

Shitting our pants then Marcus bail out

Tcu game they sat 2 guys too.

Dotson looks scared

Garrett's 6th steal.

Garrett!

@DanR I am too

Guts and IQ. Good description of Garret.

twp trips garret tries to take over...

Dedric get him and And 1

@DanR And if we don't score here and they do, we would be losing....

If this isnt an dedric iso

BeddieKU23 said:

If this isnt an dedric iso

I will lose my mind.

Just like Self drew it up

What a stupid game

Vick damn.

We suck plain and simple

Shit

Wow that was just really bad....

Just what we deserve!!!

Might as well just mail it in

3 empty posssesions and then that last possession...whoo. boy!
That game should have been in the bag!!!

Bullshit

Sad last 2 minutes there

Just sad

Big Clyde52 said:

Just what we deserve!!!

Have to agree with this.

That was just pathetic.

Bad ball loss

What an embarrassing loss. That makes 3

Just who I want to have dribbling it the last 8 seconds - LaGerald Vick!!

Back to our annual rite of losing at WVU. Except this year that team stinks too.

I hope we were thinking ahead to ISU. But not even that would be an excuse for this performance.

That's on self. Did we have a timeout?

Started with dedric not being able to get get it to Dotson

Look at the scene down on the floor. You can't tell me West Virginia cares as much about beating other teams as they do Kansas.

No excuses, though. We need to play a lot better.

How do we execute that bad down the stretch? Two where Garret tries to take over...DL doesn't touch it...and then AFTER a time out, we have a shot clock violation...…..

@BeddieKU23 yes

BeddieKU23 said:

That's on self. Did we have a timeout?

Yep. Makes it even worse. Just awful execution.

Refs not to blame for the loss. Self went into his turtle shell the 2nd half.

6 Assists. - Bad Ball

Our offense needs help

I stayed home from a pinball tournament my buddy is at to watch this game. Shouldn't have...

So we swallow the timeout with 8 seconds. Pathetic

Dedric should have gotten a few touches down the stretch.

Why did Garrett take so many shots down the stretch? Ridiculous. I'm pretty sure I heard KU had like 3 TO's left or something.

That unused TO bugs me.

Watching vick take that shot after fumbling the dribble 3 times is exactly how you lose. Self could have avoided it and didnt

@KirkIsMyHinrich Every time!!!

Down one, you have to take it to the hoop - no excuse for effing around on the perimeter trying to throw up a contested fall away 3....

Kcmatt7 said:

What an embarrassing loss. That makes 3

This one is different. We should have won that game.

Goodness. Grimes gets blown by for the winning bucket. Vick decides not to help with his man on the three line. Up two, I get that. Not up one.

The streak might have ended right there friends. I dont think this team us even sweet 16 caliber. Idk what the hell Self drew up outta that last time out but it wasn't ran and KJ playing big minutes was costly as can be.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Dedric should have gotten a few touches down the stretch.

And preferably on the block - not at 1/2 court

We haven’t gotten better at any of our flaws this season. Besides Garrett, zero growth from this team.

This team is so inept at finishing halves and games. It’s astounding.

HighEliteMajor said:

Goodness. Grimes gets blown by for the winning bucket. Vick decides not to help with his man on the three line. Up two, I get that. Not up one.

Hard to imagine playing Grimes when you NEED a stop. That's on Bill.

Not that they were going to get one but that loss ends any 1 seed talk.

@Woodrow And we should be out of the top 10!!!

Why was Garrett taking so many shots down the stretch?

That's the biggest thing that bothers me about this one.

Vick is lazy and dumb. For a sr guard to have 2 possessions like that is ridiculous. He makes lazy passes for TOs, is lazy on D lazy entry passes to post. Just dumb selfish plays.

Can't really remember a dumber final minute, especially coaching

How do you lose a game up by 6 with 2:38 to go? You get outscored 7-0...that's how..
Have to take it to the bucket at the end.....but you have better possessions before that...and you don't need a last second shot.
I'm almost sick to my stomach. Very damaging to the streak. Contenders will or already have won in Morgantown.

Should've called another timeout after Dedric couldnt get it to Dotson. Coaching cost us the win.

@Hawk8086

You jinxed them. But we gave up 5 with out even trying and then shit our pants

kjayhawks said:

Should've called another timeout after Dedric couldnt get it to Dotson. Coaching cost us the win.

Absolutely.

kjayhawks said:

Should've called another timeout after Dedric couldnt get it to Dotson. Coaching cost us the win.

Bingo

@Hawk8086 And ISU coming to town.

Deflating loss on the road with a young team. Iowa st will eat this team alive monday

I can't point to any one play that cost us. I can see that the entire game was played with no energy, no want to, and turnover abundance. Way to be embarrassed on ESPN BIG KU!!!

Felt like roy swallowing he timeouts

My money is on ISU Monday no question after this performance.

Don’t think I can even find joy rooting against Kentucky now

@kjayhawks If we lose Monday kiss the streak bye bye.

@Big-Clyde52 I don't think we lose Monday....but this was a bad loss...really hurts.

Oh the streak is over. ISU will drub KU again. Prohm is a good coach.

I think we get hammered Monday and limp into the NCAA tournament and get hammered by some mid major first game.

I’m over the streak. I just want to see this team improve every game. That includes Self getting better in the 2nd half. He has to be one of the worst coach from minutes 21-38 in the country.

Kcmatt7 said:

I’m over the streak. I just want to see this team improve every game. That includes Self getting better in the 2nd half. He has to be one of the worst coach from minutes 21-38 in the country.

This is where I am at with it too. As anyone besides Garrett improved much over the course of the season?

Second game we have blown with 6 point lead under 2 minutes to go.

Garrett is attacking the rim. Props there. That makes his lineup presence a positive. Really like what I've seen.

It's a bit sad that we can script something for Dedric.

Heck, Dotson couldn't even get open to get the ball in his hands.

SDS becoming eligible is perhaps THE key moving forward.

@Kcmatt7 I've been over the streak for quit a while .. like since it started. We play this game as a blue blood to be a champion. It's like the Braves winning the NL East. Nice streak. Impressive. One title.

BUT THIS IS FAR FROM OVER ON ALL FRONTS. Lots of season left. Heck, we could win the tourney as a 5 seed.

Bill went full on squeak there

Self admits he should have called timeout. Cant take it back now

We are damn lucky to have 15 wins. Could very easy be 11-7 or worse if not for several career games by Vick. Hard to be excited about this team going forward. ZERO consistent shooters, inconsistent inside play, very sloppy with our positions, terrible FT shooters. Could go on but I digress. Just totally disgusted.

BShark said:

Kcmatt7 said:

I’m over the streak. I just want to see this team improve every game. That includes Self getting better in the 2nd half. He has to be one of the worst coach from minutes 21-38 in the country.

This is where I am at with it too. As anyone besides Garrett improved much over the course of the season?

Nope. And with Doke gone we are a team without an offensive identity. Our guards don’t see the floor well enough to get any sort of offensive flow. And now we are sitting Ochai and stunting his growth and killing confidence.

As good as Bill Self is, there is a reason for only one NC. He is competitive to a fault and stunts team development. My opinion at least.

@Big-Clyde52 Sorry, I meant possessions, not positions. But I am not to happy with our position either.

HighEliteMajor said:

Garrett is attacking the rim. Props there. That makes his lineup presence a positive. Really like what I've seen.

It's a bit sad that we can script something for Dedric.

Heck, Dotson couldn't even get open to get the ball in his hands.

SDS becoming eligible is perhaps THE key moving forward.

@Kcmatt7 I've been over the streak for quit a while .. like since it started. We play this game as a blue blood to be a champion. It's like the Braves winning the NL East. Nice streak. Impressive. One title.

BUT THIS IS FAR FROM OVER ON ALL FRONTS. Lots of season left. Heck, we could win the tourney as a 5 seed.

It just became the one goal. Instead of a part of the journey. Self even seems overly fixated on it.

Kcmatt7 said:

HighEliteMajor said:

Garrett is attacking the rim. Props there. That makes his lineup presence a positive. Really like what I've seen.

It's a bit sad that we can script something for Dedric.

Heck, Dotson couldn't even get open to get the ball in his hands.

SDS becoming eligible is perhaps THE key moving forward.

@Kcmatt7 I've been over the streak for quit a while .. like since it started. We play this game as a blue blood to be a champion. It's like the Braves winning the NL East. Nice streak. Impressive. One title.

BUT THIS IS FAR FROM OVER ON ALL FRONTS. Lots of season left. Heck, we could win the tourney as a 5 seed.

It just became the one goal. Instead of a part of the journey. Self even seems overly fixated on it.

I agree and I find it disturbing.

Oh and I don't think this team has any chance to win the NCAAT. Certainly not w/o Silvio.

Kcmatt7 said:

And now we are sitting Ochai and stunting his growth and killing confidence.

Ochai today wasn't playing like we've seen previously. 3 turnovers in 4 minutes, missed his only shot under the basket, his first miss at the rim in the games he's played. Sitting him the 2nd half wasn't a horrible idea. He'll bounce back.

Without Doke Dedrics lack of athleticism is really hurting us. Dave has the energy and size but is out of position a lot. Mitch was brain dead. The post is wide open for biz against us. Zero rim protection. Mr Lawyer, we need SDS in the worst way.

Dedric was getting pushed around by Culver under the rim all day.

Young team going through growing pains and Self letting them make those mistakes. This team has learn to close out games at some point on the road and this is the only to do so is to be in the situations. Frustrating when they can't do it, but they have to figure it out on their own at some point though.

To think that this group was picked number 1 preseason by many. Certainly not playing anything close to it now. Lots of issues. Perhaps the biggest difference from past KU teams is the complete absence of a transition game. The Hawks have always been known for being able to run the break, create points off of steals and win the transition game. Not so with this team. Unless Dotson can get past everyone with speed for a layup, we can't score in transition - no one knows how to run a break or can finish at the rim....

Outside of Garrett our effort just hasnt been there the last 3 games IMO. We aren't the first team on the floor, we are beat down the floor.

I'm sorry but I'm tired of Dedric. He isn't competitive, doesn't hustle, cant jump, cant slide his feet, and most importantly is not a leader. He reminds me a lot of the stat stuffing guys on a lot of NBA losing teams.

@Texas-Hawk-10 did you see post game w/players? Marcus said they have a play to run at the end, chop, they practice it. It's better to run in a broken court so the D doesn't set up. Guess they didn't all understand. Dble bonus, get down hill. Not all of them w/a hi bb IQ

@BigBad And maybe most important, useless on D in the paint along with Grimes, vick, Charlie who also play zero D.

@Fightsongwriter you forgot KJs ill advised shots and loosey defense.

Dedric has been big 12 player of the week numerous times. Has numerous dble dbles

@Crimsonorblue22 Stat stuffing does not equate to wins.

@BigBad where would we be w/out him?

I can dislike a player while realizing we'd be worse without him.

I think Vick is a waste as well but we'd have 3/4 more losses without him.

@BigBad not much about KU bb you like, huh?

I'm 45 years old. I don't waste time cheer leading. I call it like I see it. Aside from watching Dotson mature, this is the least fun Kansas team to watch in a long time.

@Crimsonorblue22 I didn't, but it doesn't surprise me. This is a selfish team for the most part that doesn't share the ball well so I'm not surprised they butchered chop as badly as they did.

I have a feeling there was a lot of this team not doing what Self wanted to do and following scouting reports so I suspect Self let them do it on their own and they couldn't. Should be a good teaching film in the video room tonight or tomorrow. Hopefully it turns out like the Hack-a-Doke game in Norman last year and is where this team turns a corner.

Ugh. well, the ONE game i do get to watch live...that didn't go so well.
Nothing unusual to see here. We lose like we usually lose in West Virginia. Tons of turnovers, no energy for that enthusiastic defense, lack of focus, etc.
no big surprise. YET, i'm completely surprised we lost that game. again. we had the lead multiple times, committed careless, stupid turnovers, then crapped the bed.

A few thoughts on the chaos:

-- Grimes' stupendously amazingly idiotic foul on the 3pt corner shot was a game changer in my mind. It was an out-of-control shot anyway, let him have it.

-- Grimes, Part II: If you can't keep him in front of you, knock that WVU douche on his ass and don't let him drive uncontested for a layup! At least he could miss a free throw, stop the clock, give us another decent shot.

-- WTF is KJ doing taking all those 3s and wild ass shots??????? Puhleeze!!! And dribbing! Many lost possessions from his lack of talent.

-- So many turnovers, as usual. But so many turnovers were just so inexcusable. Passes for layups, turnover. Man. Coach i'm sure emphasized how important every possession can be in a game like that.

-- WVU had a great game plan for Dedric. Didn't let him touch it within 12 feet of the hoop. Forced him outside. Worked.

-- Same with Vick. Didn't let him spot up much. that and the above were the main difference in the game.

-- Disappointing loss. that could be the difference in winning/losing the league this year.

After further reflection...and a couple of glasses of wine....I just can't believe that on two straight possessions, we ended up with Garrett trying to score off of the drive...I know he has been doing that well lately...but our first option should be Dedric, or Vick (when he is OPEN) or Dotson driving...since he is a good FT shooter....Garrett should drive when those options aren't open...
Tell me folks...Am I wrong about this??

@jayhawkcsg Your last sentence summed it up....really bad loss that hurts our chances of winning #15.

I saw the grimes foul on the 3, it was a flop. He didn't touch him. Honest.

@Crimsonorblue22 No kidding? I never did see a replay on the Grimes 3 pt foul. i wouldn't doubt it. there were a few questionable fouls along the way.

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Hawk8086 said:

After further reflection...and a couple of glasses of wine....I just can't believe that on two straight possessions, we ended up with Garrett trying to score off of the drive...I know he has been doing that well lately...but our first option should be Dedric, or Vick (when he is OPEN) or Dotson driving...since he is a good FT shooter....Garrett should drive when those options aren't open...
Tell me folks...Am I wrong about this??

Garrett driving to the lane IS a part of our offense, like it or not.
I'm OK with it, if he can learn to finish stronger. I like his size and aggressiveness. You're right. he's not a great FT shooter. not option one.

I DO like Garrett handling the ball way better than Vick handling the ball (but not Garrett's shooting of course). Neither is our best option. Vick couldn't get a good handle on the last possession, and thus not a good shot.

But Huggy Bear's boys did a great job of shutting down our main weapons today. sucks.

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OK, i watched it. He didn't hammer him. questionable for sure.
I think the rules say you gotta give him room to come down. Probably what the zebras were looking at.

Went to the side

Read the comments under Cj Moore

@Crimsonorblue22 That's what I said during the game! The dude just fell on Grimes. Bogus.

I didnt like the call be the offensive player caused the contact tho he is supposed to be able to land. The refs let WV get away with a fair share of contact but we killed ourselves more than anyone.

jayhawkcsg said:

Crimsonorblue22 said:

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OK, i watched it. He didn't hammer him. questionable for sure.

Looks to me after 12 or more viewings like Grimes' arm could have hit the shooter's arm or shoulder. If not, the shooter's body still seems to twist on the way down, maybe from a flop stemming from remarkable body control.

More importantly, it could have looked like contact to the refs, who did not get to view this play from that angle, in slow-motion, with many repeated playbacks, and enlarged. One ref on the baseline was blocked by Grimes, and the ref on the sideline was blocked by the shooter.

They could only see a sequence where the shot goes off, then the shooter's sideways body movement just as Grimes is within inches, and then the shooter appears to fall from contact.

Wong calls are not automatically bad calls just because technology provides after the fact opportunities to second-guess everything. This was both a reasonable and an understandable call under the circumstances. Had the shooter been our guy, we would have screamed bloody murder if a foul had not been called.

@mayjay Grimes took a bad angle and put himself in a bad position on that play. When you put yourself in a bad position on defense, bad things happen and Grimes was in a bad position on defense a lot today.

@Texas-Hawk-10 He didn't bother me as much as Vick returning to playing a position 14 feet away from the basket and allowing a 3 pt shot. Twice, he actually started moving closer to the shooter. Then the shooter hesitated, Vick stopped moving out, and a 3 pt swish followed. I can only surmise that Vick is utterly terrified of someone driving baseline right by him.

I have no source for advanced stats and metrics, but I would be willing to bet $10 that Vick's assigned covers have cashed more 3 ptrs by far than any other KU defender's assigned guys.

tundrahok said:

Kcmatt7 said:

And now we are sitting Ochai and stunting his growth and killing confidence.

Ochai today wasn't playing like we've seen previously. 3 turnovers in 4 minutes, missed his only shot under the basket, his first miss at the rim in the games he's played. Sitting him the 2nd half wasn't a horrible idea. He'll bounce back.

How does it benefit him to sit him?

Ochai did look scared shitless for once.
I’m guessing Self didn’t want to destroy his confidence after seeing him struggle.