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I really don't see this KU team winning on the road.

Well someone has to win, may as well be us

Vick not starting.

Let's go blue team.

Dotson is great.

Agbaji starting over Vick.

@Texas-Hawk-10 I'm okay with this honestly.

Looked like a clean knock-away from Dotson. The cheap fouls continue.

@Texas-Hawk-10 Me too. It sends a message to Vick, and the extra energy helps keep the crowd (such as it is) out of the game.

Arena looks pretty empty. I know UT usually struggles and KU usually brings a big crowd, but a midweek game isn't going to draw the typical big KU crowd a Saturday game does.

Let's get Dedric some touches.

KU still can't run a half-court offense. And also we suck in transition. These are problems.

Nice Q

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

KU still can't run a half-court offense. And also we suck in transition. These are problems.

Seems bad.

@BShark we seem to be going backwards...

@KirkIsMyHinrich Yes. Offense looks awful to start.

Ashley Judd is a weak 1-seed.

I'm not sure if I can blame Self at least from a coaching perspective. This team just can't shoot.

Where is Vick?

As for roster construction Grimes and Moore were expected to be able to shoot.

What is this lineup?!

wissox said:

Where is Vick?

Standard every other week benching of your only SR.

Woodrow said:

What is this lineup?!

A bad one.

That might be worst possible line up among the scholarship players.

Woodrow said:

What is this lineup?!

Is it already throwing poo at the wall time?

we look tiny out there.

The Charlie Moore/Mitch Lightfoot lineup didn't work very well. What a surprise.

It pains me to say this, but this team isn’t even fun to watch.

what the hell are we doing?

Andy North goes to every Wisconsin game. Every one of those so called celebrities never won a US Open.

KUSTEVE said:

what the hell are we doing?

Probably not rebounding, according to my twitter feed.

What the hell was that Vick?

Wow

Joke of a lineup. Mitch and Moore in lol

Wow could we play with less energy?

Pathetic offense. 5 pts so far. Geesh.

What'd I miss? Usual suspects on the floor now, but we're running Norm Stuart's old Mizzou offense.

kjayhawks said:

Wow could we play with less energy?

I don't have audio going, but I assume the arena is pretty dead. Early mid week start will equal low energy in that building.

I'm suddenly very pessimistic about this team.

This team just doesn't know what it is doing on offense.

Lawson has 2 steals and a block, but no shot attempts?

There should be a rule that Vick bounces the ball no more than 3 times. Shoot spot up jumpers and cut to the basket only.

tundrahok said:

Lawson has 2 steals and a block, but no shot attempts?

Immediate hard doubles.

When this team is bad, they are really bad. They look like they have a better place to be this evening. Looks like an easy win Texas.

@Hawk8086 as soon as he does that split legged dribble, I know he's going to lose it.

BShark said:

I'm not sure if I can blame Self at least from a coaching perspective. This team just can't shoot.

What's our action to try and free up shots?

Hawk8086 said:

There should be a rule that Vick bounces the ball no more than 3 times. Shoot spot up jumpers and cut to the basket only.

PG tho

Bwag said:

BShark said:

I'm not sure if I can blame Self at least from a coaching perspective. This team just can't shoot.

What's our action to try and free up shots?

It is theoretically dribble drive and dish. But nobody is good at that dribble drive part

I've got to go, not sure if I'll watch the recording when I get back.

You have to run something that resembles an offense to get shots.

This team can’t run weave, but I have no idea what to do differently with them.

kjayhawks said:

You have to run something that resembles an offense to get shots.

Agreed 1oo%

Too much help, Vick.

Dave has some energy

oh my

Need to give Dave more minutes and hope he just figures it out.

Kcmatt7 said:

Need to give Dave more minutes and hope he just figures it out.

Yep.

Ok, why is dedric on the bench?

Ochai is gonna be a dude

Unforced errors doing stupid dribbling stuff

Announcer is saying Abaji. Is the g silent?

Can’t double O. Too good of a passer. Go Big Dave and Dedric and man the fuck up on them

Are we just completly lost on offense and half the time on defense?

I know they have to stagger minutes because our big man depth sucks right now, but I'd like to see Dedric and Dave on the floor at the same time.

Bwag said:

Are we just completly lost on offense and half the time on defense?

Yes.

Bwag said:

Are we just completly lost on offense and half the time on defense?

I don’t remember a Self team so poor on both sides since maybe 2012-2013. And they’d beat this team by 15

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@Bwag that's pretty accurate

This Texas team got 98 hung on them by UGA.

@BShark we're not going to hang 98 on the Topeka YMCA team this year

@BShark I thought WV was crap effort, this the guys are like hold my beer.

@Kcmatt7 I'm trying to stay positive...but WOW...

@Kcmatt7 we certainly are struggling to find an identity. I wonder if Self is scratching his head or if he's working a plan that they just can't execute yet...no way to tell from my untrained eye

Grimes and Vick in the same corner. WTF?

The problem isn't just lack of shooting. It's lack of driving too. Vick can't dribble, Grimes isn't fast enough, Dotson is a freshman and is 5'11, Garrett can't shoot so his man gives him a cushion, Ochai has barely played.

LOL. Nice offense.

yeah, we err lost in our heads

This is painful. And it's Texas...

How bad are we? Driving son back from bball practice

Trying to recall the last time we had 3 shot clock violations in one half.

approxinfinity said:

How bad are we? Driving son back from bball practice

12 points 6 min left

@approxinfinity TCU from 2013 look alike

@approxinfinity only reason we aren't down 30 is because Texas sucks

We can't even throw entry passes halfway through conference play.

We had 3 shot clock violations

Oof

Did Self just ask the team, "Who wants to play tonight. We'll get you all in randomly."

That was the laziest rebound attempt by Dedric that I've ever seen what a lazy lazy play.

Well, we can pick up the trash...

Time for another beer.

tundrahok said:

Time for another beer.

or something stronger...Makers tonight I think

we need a team leader to step up and get some blood flowing.

DanR said:

Did Self just ask the team, "Who wants to play tonight. We'll get you all in randomly."

That's what makes me think Self doesn't know what to do with them at this late point...

@Bwag What can he do?

@kjayhawks We don't have one. That's the problem.

ugh, i too am a big time optimist but i ain't seeing to much to get excited about with this bunch

This team doesn’t have a shooter, post player, or leader.

Lightfoot shows up in the B12

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

@Bwag What can he do?

I don't know, but I think from what I saw at the end of Kentucky game it involves finding an offensive set that frees up Vick on the perimeter via screens or whatever to get him hitting some outside shots. Need to light that fuse earlier in the game and see if that doesnt start to free up some of the inside game

Something is going on here. I don't think they're very happy campers. probably one of the worst efforts I've seen in years. Reminds me of when we started Chieck over Landen at OSU, and the team just laid down and quit.

Lightfoot in traffic

decent offensive possession there finally

Okay. Just keep playing this lineup. Maybe switch DMac for Lightfoot at times.

HOLY CRAP. Ochai is the best thing to happen to this team since Silvio last year.

Man Texas sucks. We're only down by 1

Lolol

I don't know what will happen from here.. but now down one after the way we played....unbelievable.

Damn! The Garett and Ochai do that.

That was impressive on both ends .

I'm not going to leave chic fil a until we are up 10

I want Dotson, Garrett, Ochai, and two bigs. At least they'll play defense.

@tundrahok We should be down by 30.

Think we just found our lineup lol

Maybe that wakes us up, let's go!

@KirkIsMyHinrich Yep. Kind of done with Grimes and Vick myself

approxinfinity said:

I'm not going to leave chic fil a until we are up 10

You'll get kicked out before that happens.

Weak call ends the run

2.5 good looks at the basket at least

Woodrow said:

Weak call ends the run

And Kansas can't get a call. Texas has 2 fouls.

This is what Mitch is good for. The effort will always be there and he's a very smart player that almost always makes the right play.

This lineup at least has 5 energy guys.

Down three seems pretty good. Start the guys who were in at the end of the first half and let's roll.

How in Hades are we this close after a performance like that? Worst I've seen since that "Topeka YMCA" game vs. TCU.

If UT manages to lose this one, they should fire Shaka on the spot.

DanR said:

2.5 good looks at the basket at least

Dedric and Dotson both missed layups

This is a friggen big 10 game

3 assists on 10 made FG's for KU.

As bad as that was, down 3. Guess will take that.

@Woodrow I gave Mitch a .5 for whatever that was that he was doing slamming the ball off the rim on the rebound. :)

Surely we cant play that damn bad for two halfs in a row. I feel like we should be down 15.

Have to be thrilled to only be down 3. But I can't help but think that we didn't take advantage of poor play by UT.

Are there more players redshirting that we can try?

Dotson needs to get more aggressive with his shooting. Self needs to give Dotson the Brandon Rush treatment and punish him when he passes on a good shot.

Dotson is our best shooter, but he's too passive still on offense. Every time he drives, he's looking to pass instead of shoot.

kjayhawks said:

Surely we cant play that damn bad for two halfs in a row. I feel like we should be down 15.

The first ISU game says they can.

@Hawk8086 they hit 5 3s and only average 8 a game. Defense is fine if we just rebound and run offense.

DanR said:

decent offensive possession there finally

An open jump shot...how do we do more of that?

BShark said:

Are there more players redshirting that we can try?

Put in the bearded waterboy I think his name is Mank Frason.

BShark said:

Are there more players redshirting that we can try?

Elliot 👀

@Texas-Hawk-10 agreed. Energy. Kept a couple balls and plays alive

@Kcmatt7 Big 1G of a few years back...more bad offense than great defense

Hey, we pulled even on rebounds, 16 each. That's cool. Garret has 5.

@kjayhawks Absolutely...no problem with the defense

Hawk8086 said:

@kjayhawks Absolutely...no problem with the defense

I'm not convinced yet. Signs of brilliance at times...others, seems other team does what they want and too much running at open shooters from so far away not really affecting shots. Tx may just be that bad

approxinfinity said:

BShark said:

Are there more players redshirting that we can try?

Put in the bearded waterboy I think his name is Mank Frason.

BREAKING NEWS: KU HAS SIGNED A MID SEASON TRANSFER NAMED MRANK FASON. ELIGIBLE TO PLAY IMMEDIATELY

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Agbaji is our leading scorer with 9, which is 3 times more than the next highest (Grimes and Dotson have 3 each). That's less cool.

Vegas has us a 1.5 point favorite so there's that!

ESPN is desperate for eye balls. Used to not even cover UFC...

Have a question ? - In our conference games only , what would you all say was the percentage of the time we have lead in games ? -It can't be good - -we have played from behind a large majority if I remember right ?

This team just has no flow - -so choppy - -so many inconsistent players. - -Sad to say really other then Dedric which has been pretty consistent , yet now we are seeing what is going to be a trend for the rest of the season - where he is double anytime he touches the ball , there is no one that if I were opposing teams would be scared of anyone - - excluding Obaji - he is going to be a very solid player for us for sure. - -Vick is sad - soooo inconsistent. - -Grimes is just sad talent - -but where is the mentality- -the drive - -the heart?

Don't be surprised guys come tourney time - -It wouldn't totally shock me if we got beat in the 1st game - -not 1st weekend - -I'm talking the 1st game. - - Pretty disappointing considering with all the media talk - - the way we were feeling and thinking at the 1st of the season - - now look where we are. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer73 We need to reset our expectations. That's how we enjoy the rest of the season.

@tundrahok Awhile ago I mentioned any win is a good win for this team. That's where I am at. I don't expect anything out of the NCAAT. Extending the league streak would be a pleasant shock.

@tundrahok Hell yes, I'm in "watch the young guys develop" mode

DanR said:

@tundrahok Hell yes, I'm in "watch the young guys develop" mode

Me too. I wish we'd play Dave more.

DanR said:

@tundrahok Hell yes, I'm in "watch the young guys develop" mode

Must be what it feels like to be the fan of another team... I don’t really like it.

We're down 3 at the half and DLaw is 1-5 with 2 points? Time for DLaw to work. Need to foul out afro boy again.

@Kcmatt7 I don't either, but I watch all the KU football games too

Vick and Grimes like don’t realize you have to play defense even when your man doesn’t have the ball

I guess Vick was worse than Grimes in the first half, by coach's standards

Did someone forget to tell Garrett about shooting 3s?

Garrett has such a flat shot it hurts

Osetkowski is a bad match up for Garrett on defense. Need to get Lightfoot in for Grimes and put Garrett on Roach.

Grimes. Behind the back bounce pass?

Was that a behind the back pass by Grimes 3 feet away on the baseline?

Bilas can kiss my ass...

KUSTEVE said:

Bilas can kiss my ass...

Wow has he been bad? I'm surprised.

Wellp. Bad start to the half.

Shaka's amped up a little early IMO

DanR said:

Shaka's amped up a little early IMO

Showing more energy than anyone on KU

Does Bill just teach a flat shot? Everyone but Vick and Dotson have one.

So you want Grimes out, Mitch in?

@Woodrow Obviously we're keeping the powder dry

So much for a good start to the 2nd half. Disappointing after we cut the lead to 3 at half.

approxinfinity said:

So you want Grimes out, Mitch in?

Grimes out, Dave in.

@Kcmatt7 Ochai has the ultimate arc

Everyone decided to sit this one out except Ochai

Put in the lineup that plays the hardest from here on out. This team needs coached like they’re 6th graders

@jayballer73 hard to argue with any of that

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

approxinfinity said:

So you want Grimes out, Mitch in?

Grimes out, Dave in.

I'm down. We've gazed into the maw of the 4 guard abyss. Not good.

@approxinfinity Sounds like a Tucky infomercial. "You know in the Tucky game"...blah, blah, blah. We have no clue who is in the game because they're too busy talking about Saturday's game.

@KUSTEVE gotcha gotcha

approxinfinity said:

So you want Grimes out, Mitch in?

Yes, Mitch on Osetkowski and Garrett on Roach. Osetkowski is too physical for Garrett.

approxinfinity said:

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

approxinfinity said:

So you want Grimes out, Mitch in?

Grimes out, Dave in.

I'm down. We've gazed into the maw of the 4 guard abyss. Not good.

He doesn't shoot or play defense anyway. Might as well have someone who can get rebounds and hustle. And he has upside.

DanR said:

@Kcmatt7 Ochai has the ultimate arc

Great point. Also, proving my point lol. These guys with horrible shots, there is such an easy solution. And you have a court no more than 100 feet from your dorm room.

@Texas-Hawk-10 Os seems like he's a foot taller than Garrett...

DLaw 0-2 beyond the arc

Even Shaka is ignoring Garrett offensively.

Yep, daring him to shoot all he wants

What is the appeal of playing Mitch over Dave right now?

Dedric has been really bad

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

What is the appeal of playing Mitch over Dave right now?

BILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Woodrow said:

Dedric has been really bad

Awful...he sick?

If at Vick you don't succeed Ochai, Ochai again

filling up the stat sheet OA...but maybe not in the TO column...thank you

Texas still only has 2 fouls for the game. Kind of incredible.

Mitch has a rim presence. Nobody likes getting their shit tossed by a 6’5 white kid

Vick, Vick, Vick, Vick....Vick, Vick, UGH

Vick isn't in this game mentally.

So hard to watch, no matter who you're rooting for. Neutrals have probably all tuned out by now...unless they're got money down on the game.

Dedric has the hands of a 4 year girl

BShark said:

Vick isn't in this game mentally.

Probably shouldn’t have brought him back... We would have had Ochai playing all season

We just need to wake up for 5 minutes

Hey now

KUSTEVE said:

@Texas-Hawk-10 Os seems like he's a foot taller than Garrett...

Osetkowski is 250 lbs. and Garrett is 195 lbs. That's the issue.

BShark said:

Vick isn't in this game mentally.

I feel like Vick would be awesome with adderall.

@kjayhawks last game took the fight out of him...he got wore out with those bigs

If KU could score at all...man this would be an easy win. But they can't so here we are.

Re : teaching shooting , the only perimeter kid I can remember fixing his shot significantly under Self is Selden. Big men have added baby hooks, TRob kindaaa got more range. But only perimeter player, Selden.

Vick is a chemistry killer

truehawk93 said:

@kjayhawks last game took the fight out of him...he got wore out with those bigs

Fatigue is becoming an issue for Lawson now with all the minutes he's playing.

Yeah that entry pass was piss poor.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

BShark said:

Vick isn't in this game mentally.

I feel like Vick would be awesome with adderall.

He just needs a bump of the sugar booger right before the game.

approxinfinity said:

Re : teaching shooting , the only perimeter kid I can remember fixing his shot significantly under Self is Selden. Big men have added baby hooks, TRob kindaaa got more range. But only perimeter player, Selden.

Mason improved a ton.

Svi improves a ton.

But mechanically, I agree

Worse game yet...stats are gawd awful

Ochai has to catch that.

Does KU score 50 tonight?

Also, that was not straight up, Bilas.

Osetkowski just pivoted from one side of the block to the other without traveling... somehow

Kcmatt7 said:

approxinfinity said:

Re : teaching shooting , the only perimeter kid I can remember fixing his shot significantly under Self is Selden. Big men have added baby hooks, TRob kindaaa got more range. But only perimeter player, Selden.

Mason improved a ton.

Svi improves a ton.

But mechanically, I agree

Fair yep :100:

What is Dotson doing?

And then you call that weak crap on Mitch. Texas still with 2 fouls for the GAME

Woodrow said:

What is Dotson doing?

Playing like a freshman.

Is this a D1 game???

Texas Hawk 10 said:

Does KU score 50 tonight?

If they do...it might be a win. This game is painful.

I am out in western Canada and can’t see the game. I am not sure that’s a bad thing from listening to it.

Bullshit call...

Still winnable. Let's settle down and get tough!

Wtf is Mitch supposed to do? Flop?

That's the only thing Vick should ever do.

We simply have no one to guard 2 bigs and the world knows it now

Bilas is right there.. You should be able to hold your ground against that shoulder to chest bump

Osawatsmie had a bad game at AFH

BShark said:

Vick isn't in this game mentally.

liked that last stroke though...maybe more of that

Weren’t they supposed to be policing the dipping your shoulder and bullying your way to the basket more?

The refs have no bearing in this game but odd Texas has a mere 2 fouls, that's damn near impossible in 3/4s of a game. Especially with the aggressive defense.

Kcmatt7 said:

Weren’t they supposed to be policing the dipping your shoulder and bullying your way to the basket more?

Texas fouls in last 3 games: 18, 20, 22 Tonight: 2

BShark said:

Kcmatt7 said:

Weren’t they supposed to be policing the dipping your shoulder and bullying your way to the basket more?

Texas fouls in last 3 games: 18, 20, 22 Tonight: 2

Joe DeRosa. No surprise.

Our D is making Osetkowski look like Ostertag tonight.

No one besides OA with more than 5 oinks...wow

We need a run in a bad way friends

Catch and shoot. :100:

Vick running point? how the heck

Late whistle there.

TRIANGLE AND TWO???!

9-2 foul differential...thats incredible...

Guess its 9-3 now...wow

Bill willing to go some says everything about this team

approxinfinity said:

Late whistle there.

They made sure he missed first. Unreal.

Zone*

Bwag said:

9-2 foul differential...thats incredible...

Guess its 9-3 now...wow

But Jesse did call out UT doesn't foul much

BShark said:

TRIANGLE AND TWO???!

They don't need to change up the defense, they need to do something on offense. I'll take giving up 44 points through 30 minutes every single time.

And 1.

Vick and Grimes running point...wow

Dedric is off tonight

What a joke of a game for both teams

Texas 1st foul of the 2nd half. 3rd foul of the game.

This KU team is hard to watch. No identity

Maybe we rebound out of the zone better or something

Dedric you gotta make that one

Tx must be surprised - though not worried - about that foul call.

Dedric misses a 4 foot shot and they get a layup. Could have cut it to 4

This feels like it should be a B10 game or an old Big East game. First one to 50 wins.

Woodrow said:

Dedric misses a 4 foot shot and they get a layup. Could have cut it to 4

Crazy to think that KU could be right there in this game.

Dedric has to hit shots, first foul on UT in just over 26 minutes off of game clock.

@BShark You are right... if we could score at all...gosh we should be comfortably ahead of these guys.

@BShark A good shooting night has KU up 15 right now.

Some might call this type of game "scrappy." Me, I'd drop the S and leave it at that.

Offense needs to run through Ochai

Sadly we have had at least 5 bunnies, some times the ball just dont go in the hole I guess

Shooting 50% from the FT line, that's not going to win many games...

Wait...we've only shot 2 FT's...never mind... guess that doesn't matter

nwhawkfan said:

Some might call this type of game "scrappy." Me, I'd drop the S and leave it at that.

Scrappy implies good defense. This is bad offense more than good defense.

BShark said:

@tundrahok Awhile ago I mentioned any win is a good win for this team. That's where I am at. I don't expect anything out of the NCAAT. Extending the league streak would be a pleasant shock.

looking more then a pleasant shock at this point - -is this a YMCA moment ? - -mercy I just can't believe how this team looks really lost

Zone may limit Osetkowski too

Kcmatt7 said:

DanR said:

@tundrahok Hell yes, I'm in "watch the young guys develop" mode

Must be what it feels like to be the fan of another team... I don’t really like it.

me neither and - - - -3 Texas fouls all night long ? - hmmmmmmmm

Dedric Dedric Dedric

Kcmatt7 said:

Zone may limit Osetkowski too

No it wouldn't. He's the 4 and therefore who their offense would run through from the FT line. Zone would help Osetkowski.

Good defense, Ochai.

10-4 PF disparity

We still got this.

And 1. Nice of you to show up, Dedric.

I don't want the moon. I just want to win the Big 12.

Bwag said:

10-4 PF disparity

This deep into a game, it's not that significant.

That pass should have been stolen before it even got to Osetkowski. Come on guys.

Also, that's a shooting foul? What?

Bwag said:

Shooting 50% from the FT line, that's not going to win many games...

Wait...we've only shot 2 FT's...never mind... guess that doesn't matter

We're up to 80% FT

@Texas-Hawk-10
Understand, but it was only 2 until the last 2 minutes..in this type of game...makes a difference

He didn't even have control of the ball.

That was a foul? What?

Bwag said:

@Texas-Hawk-10
Understand, but it was only 2 until the last 2 minutes..in this type of game...makes a difference

Except it was 3-2 in the second half, and now 4-3. It's not a significant difference.

Nice strategy to leave there best shooter wide open in the corner

Vick wasn't fouled there though? Okay.

Woodrow said:

Nice strategy to leave there best shooter wide open in the corner

Mitch

BS prayer.

Little wait on the tie up call there...sometimes its instantaneous...other times...what are the refs watching

Joe Derosa taking over. He's garbage.

Vick wasn't fouled, Dedric not fouled, Mitch not fouled

The offhand from Osetkowski is bullshit

Weak foul call and 2 straight no calls on our end

Anyone know where Jaybate went? He used to post on here.

It's time for Texas to be Texas

The refs have nothing to do with the outcome of this game

Who were we recruitng still when LV decided to come back?

approxinfinity said:

Who were we recruitng still when LV decided to come back?

Romeo Langford.

@Woodrow I agree but it's a little one sided.

Game

approxinfinity said:

Who were we recruitng still when LV decided to come back?

Romeo Langford

BShark said:

approxinfinity said:

Who were we recruitng still when LV decided to come back?

Romeo Langford.

Did we still have a legit shot with him at that point?

Sideshow Bob got another foul

FT and 3PT makes are the difference in the game...

This is how you hide a foul discrepancy by the way. Call a bunch of fouls that don't matter like that.

Maybe we should have fouled that dude out earlier

Woodrow said:

approxinfinity said:

Who were we recruitng still when LV decided to come back?

Romeo Langford

Who wouldn’t have helped this team other than he drives the ball and can actually finish

approxinfinity said:

BShark said:

approxinfinity said:

Who were we recruitng still when LV decided to come back?

Romeo Langford.

Did we still have a legit shot with him at that point?

The FBI thing came out right before then

Refs trying to even it up

@KUSTEVE hey. You happen to know if jay ate is still around?

OK, we're past the point of where we can win on our own effort, but Texas can still blow it.

Vick has to hit open looks like that. Yikes.

Woodrow said:

What is Dotson doing?

he is doing about the same thing everyone else is doing - - nothing

Refs found their whistles

Kcmatt7 said:

Woodrow said:

approxinfinity said:

Who were we recruitng still when LV decided to come back?

Romeo Langford

Who wouldn’t have helped this team other than he drives the ball and can actually finish

Ok. So we would have had one less 3 point shooter. Puzzling. I guess we were all in on playing inside out? Also puzzling.

@CaliJay @jaybate-1-0 has been AOL for about four months I think

Can't believe we left Febres open.

Offhand, but nope a foul on Ochai

@DanR AWOL

approxinfinity said:

Kcmatt7 said:

Woodrow said:

approxinfinity said:

Who were we recruitng still when LV decided to come back?

Romeo Langford

Who wouldn’t have helped this team other than he drives the ball and can actually finish

Ok. So we would have had one less 3 point shooter. Puzzling. I guess we were all in on playing inside out? Also puzzling.

Well, the assumption was that Grimes and Moore could shoot.

We foul really well and we miss shots better than anyone...the last game took it out of them. They have nothing left tonight. IF they want it, they need to get it now.

BShark said:

Vick has to hit open looks like that. Yikes.

Yep. Him and Ochai have both missed wide open looks. Texas has made theirs late in the second half to stretch the lead back out.

Wow, I'm just gonna be honest I've been watching KU for over 25 years. This maybe the worst game we have ever played in that span.

kjayhawks said:

Wow, I'm just gonna be honest I've been watching KU for over 25 years. This maybe the worst game we have ever played in that span.

By way far the worst

BShark said:

approxinfinity said:

Kcmatt7 said:

Woodrow said:

approxinfinity said:

Who were we recruitng still when LV decided to come back?

Romeo Langford

Who wouldn’t have helped this team other than he drives the ball and can actually finish

Ok. So we would have had one less 3 point shooter. Puzzling. I guess we were all in on playing inside out? Also puzzling.

Well, the assumption was that Grimes and Moore could shoot.

And KJ and Dedric would at least be good enough shooters to spread the floor

@kjayhawks the season is not over, my friend

Woodrow said:

BShark said:

Vick has to hit open looks like that. Yikes.

Yep. Him and Ochai have both missed wide open looks. Texas has made theirs late in the second half to stretch the lead back out.

Gotta keep working on that though. Without an outside game, we got very little against inside long and athletic

Oh well.

Kcmatt7 said:

BShark said:

approxinfinity said:

Kcmatt7 said:

Woodrow said:

approxinfinity said:

Who were we recruitng still when LV decided to come back?

Romeo Langford

Who wouldn’t have helped this team other than he drives the ball and can actually finish

Ok. So we would have had one less 3 point shooter. Puzzling. I guess we were all in on playing inside out? Also puzzling.

Well, the assumption was that Grimes and Moore could shoot.

And KJ and Dedric would at least be good enough shooters to spread the floor

I was always suspicious about this.

truehawk93 said:

kjayhawks said:

Wow, I'm just gonna be honest I've been watching KU for over 25 years. This maybe the worst game we have ever played in that span.

By way far the worst

Topeka YMCA game against TCU was worse than this. ISU this year was also worse than this.

The chemistry is just not there this year

refs taking over

When is the last time we had a 4 game losing streak? Because it looks like it’s coming

Blowing the lead at WVU was worse. Lots of contenders for bad games.

6-5 w/o Doke

BShark said:

Kcmatt7 said:

BShark said:

approxinfinity said:

Kcmatt7 said:

Woodrow said:

approxinfinity said:

Who were we recruitng still when LV decided to come back?

Romeo Langford

Who wouldn’t have helped this team other than he drives the ball and can actually finish

Ok. So we would have had one less 3 point shooter. Puzzling. I guess we were all in on playing inside out? Also puzzling.

Well, the assumption was that Grimes and Moore could shoot.

And KJ and Dedric would at least be good enough shooters to spread the floor

I was always suspicious about this.

Why suspicious. They were both bad shooters at Memphis. The sub 30% from Dedric wasn't a fluke.

I'd still be nervous as hell if I Shaka Smart was coaching the team I'm rooting for

Even Jay B noticed

Texas Hawk 10 said:

BShark said:

Kcmatt7 said:

BShark said:

approxinfinity said:

Kcmatt7 said:

Woodrow said:

approxinfinity said:

Who were we recruitng still when LV decided to come back?

Romeo Langford

Who wouldn’t have helped this team other than he drives the ball and can actually finish

Ok. So we would have had one less 3 point shooter. Puzzling. I guess we were all in on playing inside out? Also puzzling.

Well, the assumption was that Grimes and Moore could shoot.

And KJ and Dedric would at least be good enough shooters to spread the floor

I was always suspicious about this.

Why suspicious. They were both bad shooters at Memphis. The sub 30% from Dedric wasn't a fluke.

Well in theory they’d both have a year off to improve and they would get better looks playing with better players than being the only two who shot.

Cut this to 3 and they crap themselves

That silly lob might come back to hurt Texas

Kcmatt7 said:

Texas Hawk 10 said:

BShark said:

Kcmatt7 said:

BShark said:

approxinfinity said:

Kcmatt7 said:

Woodrow said:

approxinfinity said:

Who were we recruitng still when LV decided to come back?

Romeo Langford

Who wouldn’t have helped this team other than he drives the ball and can actually finish

Ok. So we would have had one less 3 point shooter. Puzzling. I guess we were all in on playing inside out? Also puzzling.

Well, the assumption was that Grimes and Moore could shoot.

And KJ and Dedric would at least be good enough shooters to spread the floor

I was always suspicious about this.

Why suspicious. They were both bad shooters at Memphis. The sub 30% from Dedric wasn't a fluke.

Well in theory they’d both have a year off to improve and they would get better looks playing with better players than being the only two who shot.

Neither were good shooters to begin with. They're both Garrett levels of bad from deep.

Dotson can't throw a lob worth a damn. Maybe that's why he hesitates so much or bails on the plays

At least this season has yielded Agbaji. And he should be around for a while.

I wonder whats going on with the Kentucky warm up. Thanks, ESPN.

Lol

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

At least this season has yielded Agbaji. And he should be around for a while.

And Dotson and DMac.

slow five there, ref

Be nice to pull this game out of the trash can, wash it up in practice this week and see if it can't be servicable for remainder of the year

Shaka lobbying for fouls calls. Ya, they've really been screwing you tonight, coach.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

At least this season has yielded Agbaji. And he should be around for a while.

I hope. He might get a combine invite if he plays like this the rest of the season

@Bwag But if we win, then they'll think they can play like this all the time.

DanR said:

@Bwag But if we win, then they'll think they can play like this all the time.

That's on coach...they aren't going to feel good about much of this, except a win if they can pull it out.

No goal tending?

GOAL TENDING

Goaltend? F off with that B$!

Come on OA

Free throws are hard

Need to foul that shot blocking stick out the next offensive possession

Can we get a 2 minute warning timeout

@KirkIsMyHinrich Yeah, I don't see him having an Embiid-like impact to impress NBA scouts, especially in only a half-season.

Woodrow said:

Free throws are hard

Not for Texas

Holy crap that pass was awful Vick! And wow Dotson!

Lawson realliy trying hard to avoid a dunk

I'm not impressed with our press

Fouls magically happening now but not for 38 minutes

Dagger. Big time shot

Crunch time, gentlemen

4 travels in possession for Texas

Okay...fork inserted. And it shouldn't have even taken this long.

KU's press is garbage. There should only be one open guy, not three. A d Lawson has to stay back to keep that from happening.

Not over, LOL

Wowwowoww

We should have had Hayes fouled out by now.

I'm going to go watch something more interesting...like watching paint dry or something...

Why is Lawson taking that shot?

Running o for an NBA 3 by Dedric wtf

What the F Dedric. That is absolutely ridiculous.

D law to quick

WTF. That was a set play for Dedric.?

This team is just dumb

Jesus guys.

Dedric is a ballhog on a bad team.

Texas tried to help KU win but KU decided they didn't want to.

They keep giving us invitations and we keep saying "no thanks".

Didn’t even need a 3. That was so bad on so many levels.

Idiotic shot Dedric

free-throw block-outs. Another thing we don't do.

We are done now, stupid shot and cant rebound

That about does it...done

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

free-throw block-outs. Another thing we don't do.

Had a real shot if they could get a damn rebound there. Insane.

On the bright side: Ochai

A guy we weren’t even going to play is our best player. That’s how bad this teams been lol. Just enbeleivable.

BShark said:

On the bright side: Ochai

The only bright side

Kcmatt7 said:

enbeleivable.

This team really brings it out of us.

I was wondering why Garrett gave up on going for that ball. Uncharacteristically

Ha has Grimes even played in the 2nd half ?

Incidental contact can be a foul, Jay.

@jayballer73 He's been on the floor, but has not played

BShark said:

Kcmatt7 said:

enbeleivable.

This team really brings it out of us.

I almost didn’t drink for this game. Glad I did.

Another wide open brick

Joe Derosa called that a foul. Seriously should not be employed.

What a dumb call

What happened to any contact arund th head had to be reviewed?

Nice try there ref.

Absolutely absurd foul

At least we have enough wins to qualify for the NIT.

Fire the refs

@nwhawkfan serious?

Geez this is a freakin nightmare

truehawk93 said:

BShark said:

On the bright side: Ochai

The only bright side

I'm in next year mode.

Dotson, Grimes, Garrett, Ochai and Dave is a good core.

This is just a very low BBIQ team.

Later, Amigos. Going to be pretty bad rest of the season, I think, unless we get a Silvio bailout again.

WTH is going on with Big Mac?

shaka's first in league win against KU?

Lost 3 of the last 4. Team is trending in the wrong direction.

@Bwag at Texas. Yes

We had a great chance when they through the ball away...then Decric takes the long 3.

DanR said:

Later, Amigos. Going to be pretty bad rest of the season, I think, unless we get a Silvio bailout again.

Hell no...this is a damn NCAA conspiracy.

Wow the refs had no bearing but that was a terribly officiated game

Somehow we broke 60 points...

threw the ball away.

that kentucky game just took all the life out of this team

Well, #15 is going to be really difficult now...

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@nwhawkfan serious?

Only slightly exaggerating. Out next two games are vs. Tech at home and KSU at Bramlage. I could see this team going on a losing streak. I'm not seeing a whole lot of confidence on the court.

Oh don't even trip - - -there is more to come , say Saturday -- then @K-State the fun is just beginning.

These teams have waited for this for soooo long - - screw them all

Go Vandy.

Hawk8086 said:

Well, #15 is going to be really difficult now...

Difficult? The only thing about 15 is about where we drop after this nasty loss

kjayhawks said:

Wow the refs had no bearing but that was a terribly officiated game

Disagree...when nothing is being called for 3/4 of the game and it begins to affect how you play - case in point - Lightfoot holding ground and called for a foul and next time out, doesn't belly up as firm and they score over him...that makes a difference

Crap did Adidas check to the refs bounce? Lol. Nike’s sure didn’t.

Let's see, Ochai led in points and rebounds. Dotson's A/TO ratio is 4:1. Our future looks bright.

dylans said:

Crap did Adidas check to the refs bounce? Lol. Nike’s sure didn’t.

2 games in a row

That last call was hilarious!

The 2 guys were slow dancing

Weirdly, the stats don't show how bad we sucked.

What a game. I left work early and rushed home. Should have just gone to Chick-fil-A.

@DanR difference looked like the 3 ball

Let me ask this again - - IN Big 12 play - -how long have we lead toal in these games. -- These other schools are just eating this up to see us this bad -- STILL hard for me to believe that one guy can make that much of a difference.

We was behind for right at 38 minutes out of 40 - -just insane. - -My belief - -not so much about missing ONE player - -my belief ? - thanks for asking - -My belief is a very inconsistent Vick - -an absent Vick - - - -A very under achieving Quentin Grimes - - a - player that is NO THREAT from the outside - - tell me please how many here thought would we would be seeing Marcus getting these kind of Minutes - - -The NCAA still screwing us for the entire season with Silvio - - Silvio is the victim here - -Punish the guardian -- NOT Silvio - - - Then Doke DID get hurt - -these things - - -these are the reason - -NOT cause ONE player gets hurt - -

THIS is what these other schools have been waiting for -- hope they enjoy -- it isn't gonna stay this way long. - - - -Grimes comes back - - -Doke may come back - - -Obaji - will be here - - - -Dotson will be here - -possibly be here - - - Precious may be here - -who knows - - enjoy this while you can BOTTOM FEEDERS - - ENJOY INDEED - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer73 We led 0.4% of the time tonight.

Agree. Inconsistent Vick, Q not performing like projected, Doke hurt. That adds up to, overall, not as good a team as we thought. i'm not even counting SDS, because I didn't really think he was ever in the picture.

Coach just said - just have to play with what we got - - said NOT EVEN A SNIFF - -from the NCAA about Silvio

Self had a great post game interview, I thought

I had to miss the game - looks like that was a blessing? Scored 63 points against a team that gave up 98!!! to a lousy Georgia team 3 days ago. Similar to losing to a WVU team that had lost by 31 the game before they played us and by 19 at home the next game. Is it too much to say the bottom has fallen out? The old saying is that it is always darkest before the dawn, but dawn seems a very distant glimmer right now......

@jayballer73 we are kansas not an east coast school we all maybe dead before SDS gets any ruling. Doke would've made a huge difference tonight and the other 2 loses recently. He is shooting over 80% inside 2 foot, having a big guy to get a bucket in defensive battle is huge, not to mention he would've altered and probably fouled on several opposing teams easy shots at the rim.

Don’t have a leader, like Graham.
Don’t have a shooter.
Don’t have a rim protector.
Still pretty good on defense. I’m impressed we didn’t lose that game by more.

I suppose doke really was the pulse of the team. Since Michigan st it's been a slow but gradual decline. Self isnt getting what he wants from this bunch. This is not what we expected. We expected improvement as we always see. We are seeing regression. Oh well. It's up to the guys to find pride and their will to win at this point.

wissox said:

I've got to go, not sure if I'll watch the recording when I get back.

So I got back and this is what I saw. Putrid offense combined with unbelievably bad officiating and some defensive lapses leads to an ugly defeat.

How do refs not call a foul on a team for about 25 minutes of clock time? Seriously, I know we can blame ourselves, but I put this one on officials. Texas was causing so many turnovers by fouling. Reaching right in and fouling. I'm not even positive we win if it was evenly called, but I sure would have liked to have seen us have a chance.

And of course I blame the NCAA who treat us and Duke unfairly. We lose questionable players every year, Duke doesn't with similar questions, and then everyone fawns all over Duke how great they are. We've been pretty good for a long time thanks to Self, but it's hard to compete with the elite.

Rant over, looking forward to the next action whenever that is.

@kjayhawks

Just for fun, I can think of a few worse games. We got totally owned at OSU in the mid 90's. It was about a 30 point beatdown.

Loss to Northern Iowa. We were horrible that game. One of the few KU games I ever turned off.

The game at WVU where Wiggins scored 40 something. Awful beatdown.

The Kentucky loss in the 1st game of the year a few years ago. Big stage, embarrassing result.

I don't think tonight came close to any of those. Like I said above, a fairer called game and we have a chance despite our lousy play.

Oh boy. That wasn’t pretty. Just finished the DVRd game.

Man, this may be the hardest KU team to watch play that I can recall in the history of my fandom.

It’s like pulling teeth just to get a shot off sometimes. My negative view of the game:

— Why is Vick so completely out of control every time he dribbles? It’s like he’s a merry go round trying to hold onto the ball as it spins.

— Ochai played hard. His future is bright. Tough. Hoping his handle improves over time. Nice southpaw flush!

— The few times Vick hasn’t started it hasn’t gone well for him.

— some interesting whistles.

— I can’t recall a game where it’s been so difficult to get a shot off. Texas ain’t that good.

— Did Grimes play?

— For apparently the best big man passer in the history of the game, Dedrick sure couldn’t pass out of a double team.

— God I hate all of Vick’s game except spot up shooting.

— Still love me some Dotson. I wish he’d find a midrange game and shoot the ball once in a while.

— Our lack of playable size kills us a lot of the time. Or is it that we should blame Self for not developing Big Dave and Mitch?

— Did I mention Vick’s lack of defensive ability? Or is it lack of intelligence to play D?

— I guess if coach thought he’d have Dok and Silvio all year, no need to bring the other bigs along too fast.

— KJ enters the game. Whistle. Turnover. Perplexed look on his face.

— man. This team. I guess they aren’t frustrating because at this point I don’t expect a road win.

I do not understand this comment from Self.

We’re just going to have to grind, lean on each other, hopefully get a little bit better in certain situations, but also, we’ve got the team that we’ve got. We’re not very big. ...

UM you have a near 7 footer who plays 6 minutes a game. Play him, not an excuse to say your not big. They could have invested the time in Dave like they have Ogbaji but they haven't.

@BeddieKU23 One path that is arguably reasonable is to play conventional, McCormack, Dedric, Vick, Agbagi, and Dotson. But then we have Lightfoot off the bench to stay that way. That's the only explanation for his comment. That Lightfoot isn't an answer.

I personally think that an emphasis on creating looks for your best players is the only real option here. And Self doesn't do that much. The best players - Dedric, Agbaji, Dotson, and then Vick at the arc.

This is the time, now, for the scripted play. For the designed look. For extreme micromanagement from the bench. The free flow of offense isn't cutting it.

It is interesting how, now, I think we're seeing what I (and others) had mentioned as a concern about Garrett. This does not impugn his abilities as a player. We all appreciate those. But this is reality we're talking about. This team can't afford that black hole offensively. We are challenged on that end of the court. Two points in 26 minutes. And it is clear that not only UK adjusted to him, Texas did too. It's easy to see the defensive approach. He'll still get to the rim at times, of course. But this will continue to be a struggle for this team unless Garrett can get to the rim consistently somehow.

Back to the point -- we have to get the ball to our best players AND create ways for them to score. That's a solid option, I think, given what we've seen.

Agbaji showed signs of embracing the idea of being "the man." I hope Self embraces it. Seeing Dedric shoot a 25 foot three at a critical spot is not the answer. Get the ball to "the man" and help create his look.

@HighEliteMajor even very loosely scripted plays like “pick and roll with Dedric and Dotson at 15 seconds” would be fine with me. I think it would help the young guys figure out exactly what the goal shot is and automatically give it a pecking order. Instead of having 4 guys not even looking to shoot and just feed Dedric.

Like In this scenario, it is very clearly, first Dotson drives, if he gets cut off, pass it to Dedric. If Dedric gets doubled, whoever the double team game from gets the ball and takes the shot. And that’s it. No fourth or fifth option. Catch it to shoot confidently. Everyone else crash the boards.

Bill is having similar trouble that I have had: after several years of returning summer help I had all new guys. While Bill has some returning guys his leaders are all gone. It’s much easier to have someone who knows the system in and out to lead by example. It’s a pain to teach the noobs EVERYTHING. You forget how little they actually know after having experienced guys. And to top it all off everyone has a different learning curve and different ways to reach them. It’s truly a struggle to teach. I have great respect for the handful of good educators out there (present company included @wissox @Crimsonorblue22).

@CaliJay He got bludgeoned by a few on here, and left.

@dylans Bill did say last week that he should have done more teaching early this season, with all the new guys.

It’s easy to forget what everything is. The little stuff that you’d think a college student would know. For me it’s spelling and handwriting before we can even get to the actual work. For Bill it’s fundamentals he also shouldn’t have to be teaching at this point.

Bill’s been running a 400 level class. Now he has to dumb it down to a 100-200 level class, but he’s stuck in a master class level in his head.

I’m afraid this team is a year and a piece or two away from being really good with the current roster and learning curve.