The paradigm has changed. No way he is here 4 years now. Being projected as a lotto pick in the 2020 draft. A very pleasant surprise. Too bad jb isn't here to enjoy our sub 75 ranked nova type guy.
I think he'll end up a 3 year player, hopefully he doesn't get big headed (doubtful).
NBAdraft.net is crap. DraftExpress doesnāt have him in their top 60 for 2020. He might surprise me, but I donāt think heāll even test until 2020.
Ya I saw off the Phog some poster asking the question about him being a 1st round this year? - -I mean come on -- ya he has been pretty dam good - -but 1st round this year? - -don't see it yet - -let's not get the cart before the horse - -always room to improve - - like his game out at West Virginia - -they brought out - -he still needs a little bit of time - -I think he is here through next year anyways if he continues to improve.
We DID however get a steal - -who saw this coming I mean at least up to this point. Seems pretty dam mature - pretty solid decision maker - -rebounds well - and shoot - -hell ya - -but yet like I said I think he is here for another year - - Lottery? - -NO - -not happening - -not THIS year -probably not next year. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
At least 2 more years. He is no where close to a finished or ready prospect and that is our gain
He doesnāt seem like the type of kid that would rush to the league. I think he will want to be fully developed before he declares. He will play 2 years for sure possibly 3.
FarmerJayhawk said:
NBAdraft.net is crap. DraftExpress doesnāt have him in their top 60 for 2020. He might surprise me, but I donāt think heāll even test until 2020.
I hope this is the case. If we get to see the Dotson Agbaji duo as JRs, that could easily be one of Self's best teams at KU. Of course depending on how other things shake out.
I thinking that if the core of Dotson, Grimes, Ochai, Garrett and David are here 2 years from now, thats a dangerous dangerous team my friends. As I said I don't have any expectations going forward this year and next I think we are solid depending on who stays and goes but will look like the team thats a year away.
kjayhawks said:
I thinking that if the core of Dotson, Grimes, Ochai, Garrett and David are here 2 years from now, thats a dangerous dangerous team my friends. As I said I don't have any expectations going forward this year and next I think we are solid depending on who stays and goes but will look like the team thats a year away.
I think 4 of 5 of that core seems likely to be here. That core could have a Sr Chucky Moore, So McBride & So Braun as well. Self is going to have to land some quality bigs that can actually play this spring and next year..
His poise is tremendous. You can't teach what he shows upstairs. I wish it would rub off on Grimes. Between him and Dotson, we might have the most poised freshman we've ever had, sans number 1 ranked recruits. We need a big burly or two for next year, and we will be in business.
Agree about his poise.
Self's most recent comments about this.
āYeah, itās unbelievable. Itās incredible to me,ā Self began. āYou know, it just goes to show you what a bad decision I made initially in misreading the situation, because he is beyond his years.ā
āI didnāt think he would get 23 in Big 12 games, no,ā Self admitted. āI didnāt think that. But I thought, eventually he would be one of our best five players. Of course, it took about one game to figure that out.ā
On Grimes, Self said he challenged him at halftime Saturday. Made him angry pretty much. That may have been the button Self has been looking for all season long. He played well in that 2nd half after that motivation. The question is, how can Self make him mad tonight.
If his handles take a jump this off season then LOOK OUT!
KUSTEVE said:
His poise is tremendous. You can't teach what he shows upstairs. I wish it would rub off on Grimes. Between him and Dotson, we might have the most poised freshman we've ever had, sans number 1 ranked recruits. We need a big burly or two for next year, and we will be in business.
Agree with you , I think if some how - - some way Doke should happen to come back - - I don't think that is going to happen but just playing the IF scenario we would be pretty salty again next year. - Playing out this scenario
If Doke came back - -then add McCormack and Lightfoot to that - then Dotson & Grimes if he comes back - -which he no doubt needs to - -but him come back - - then Agbaji - - then Garrett is back Then McBride & Braun - which like Braun might be better then some think - -and if we should happen to be able to land Hurt - - - -we gonna be just fine - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
BeddieKU23 said:
Agree about his poise.
Self's most recent comments about this.
āYeah, itās unbelievable. Itās incredible to me,ā Self began. āYou know, it just goes to show you what a bad decision I made initially in misreading the situation, because he is beyond his years.ā
āI didnāt think he would get 23 in Big 12 games, no,ā Self admitted. āI didnāt think that. But I thought, eventually he would be one of our best five players. Of course, it took about one game to figure that out.ā
On Grimes, Self said he challenged him at halftime Saturday. Made him angry pretty much. That may have been the button Self has been looking for all season long. He played well in that 2nd half after that motivation. The question is, how can Self make him mad tonight.
Ya frustrating we know - - he knows he has the talent , then after the 1st game people really jack - -eve since he has struggled If he would ever get it going - -this team would be much better. - -Got to bring that fire tonight - - every night. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
So more about next year in general but Ryan posted on the phog that...
Dedric is gone
Silvio is gone unless there is a miracle where he gets to play next year in which case he would stay.
Doke's people will likely want him to start getting pro checks but his gut says Self finds a way to keep Doke for his SR year.
Grimes GONE.
Dotson and Agbaji staying.
KJ staying but says this one is just a guess, no info unlike the others.
Chuck likely gone.
Mitch and McCormack 100% staying, locked into the program.
And no disrespect to Grimes but if he's already decided he's leaving his camp better get their heads examined
BeddieKU23 said:
Where's Grimes going? Australia? Bosnia? China?
It won't be the states professionally
Ryan seems to think Grimes is draftable on the premise that some NBA GMs are mouth breathing troglodytes*.
*What he really said was that some guys will draft on pedigree, especially in the 2nd round. Assume it was just a bad situation in college and that their organization can get more out of the player.
@BeddieKU23 Based on what we have seen many times from NBA gms...I am inclined to agree.
I also agree that Grimes might have ended up in the wrong system to showcase his game. I mentioned just this past week that I think KU has 3 guys playing 1 position. What made Grimes good in HS is a completely different role he has with KU. Maybe they can convince someone he's a lead guard with size. But then I would guess they put the tape on. Can't see how that goes positively
@BeddieKU23 He's never playing the point at KU. But that was true of everywhere on his final list even Marquette with the assumption that he would be OAD. Now year 2 maybe Marquette lets him play PG. Certainly never happening at KU w/ Dotson here. Even Garrett is a better PG at this level.
I like Grimes overall still and think if he sticks around he can be a good contributor but if he wants to play PG he will have to transfer or play in a very low level pro league. He's just...not fast enough.
Agree. I would love to see what another year does for him both mentally and physically. I can see a laundry list of things Hudy would do with him during the off-season. I do think he's just an off-season away from being a different player here. I hope they realize the benefit to staying.
Self had him play a lot of pt at USA games and he did pretty good but he just took everyone to the hole.
Crimsonorblue22 said:
Self had him play a lot of pt at USA games and he did pretty good but he just took everyone to the hole.
Yeah, he can't pull that off at the B12 level.
Grimes and his folks would have to be among the stupidest people alive if he goes pro. They aren't loaded but they aren't poor. He'd be lucky to be the next Selby and get picked late second round and bounce around the G league for a couple of years before disappearing forever.
BShark said:
So more about next year in general but Ryan posted on the phog that...
Dedric is gone
Silvio is gone unless there is a miracle where he gets to play next year in which case he would stay.
Doke's people will likely want him to start getting pro checks but his gut says Self finds a way to keep Doke for his SR year.
Grimes GONE.
Dotson and Agbaji staying.
KJ staying but says this one is just a guess, no info unlike the others.
Chuck likely gone.
Mitch and McCormack 100% staying, locked into the program.
I agree with all of this except Grimes and KJ. I think KJ is gone and Grimes is back.
If Grimes stays, with the other guard we signed I see no way Chuck stays and with Braun, I don't see KJ getting a ton of minutes.
If dedric leaves which is expected I think KJ Looks to grad transfer as he could be on track to graduate by spring or with summer classes
Why would KJ leave? Don't we kind of need him? If Doke and Dedric don't come back...don't we need his experience...and can maybe play the 4?
Why would Grimes leave for a second round contract? That's assuming he can play his way into a contract in the league. Why not do that at Kansas where a first round contract is still in play?
@BeddieKU23 imo KJ has trended in the right direction and could be a 7th or 8th rotation guy. It depends on what returns. If Dave and Mitch are the only bigs that return and we miss on Hurt, are we going to be able to recruit over KJ? Seems like his leaving would be highly contingent upon Doke and Silvio leaving.
@kjayhawks Agree that we wouldn't want him to be a major player....but a rotational player for 10 mins or so? I don't see why not.
I have no issue with KJ most of the time. He has his weaknesses as we have all seen. I haven't seen anything saying so but I'd like to know whether he is on track to graduate this yr given it's his 4th yr in College. That could factor into his own decision if his brother does leave. We saw how the Morris twins left together. The Martin twins at Nevada stayed even though one would probably be drafted but the other wouldn't. So theres a history of brothers sticking together and either staying or going as a package. I only gave a few examples but I think its difficult for those who are used to spending every day together and then bam one goes off on their own. Usually doesnt happen from what I've seen. Do we even land Dedric if we didnt take KJ?
Million dollar question with Grimes. Preseason expectations have not matched the season. I wouldn't be surprised if his family "planned" for him to be gone after the year regardless. When your projected preseason top 10 its extremely unlikely that agents and those kind weren't already in contact with them about his next step in 8 months.. Happened to Cliff, but his mom didnt hide it well. Just saying we may not know what his family has already set in motion.. I'm also not saying that's the case but just a thought we usually dont think about
BeddieKU23 said:
I have no issue with KJ most of the time. He has his weaknesses as we have all seen. I haven't seen anything saying so but I'd like to know whether he is on track to graduate this yr given it's his 4th yr in College. That could factor into his own decision if his brother does leave. We saw how the Morris twins left together. The Martin twins at Nevada stayed even though one would probably be drafted but the other wouldn't. So theres a history of brothers sticking together and either staying or going as a package. I only gave a few examples but I think its difficult for those who are used to spending every day together and then bam one goes off on their own. Usually doesnt happen from what I've seen. Do we even land Dedric if we didnt take KJ?
Well said. I'd be fine w/ KJ on the team next year but it feels unlikely.
@BeddieKU23 As did, fortunately, the progeny of the evil turncoat Carl Henry.
Josh Jackson... Easily my favorite one and done. Probably my favorite freshman player honestly.
Agbaji.... Is pushing this "favorite freshman" thing for me. I love his game. I'd like to see it continue and dare I to hope, even elevate some. He shoots my game winner every time right now
Apparently from here on out I need to say how bad KJ is (has a big game afterwards). In all reality if we could have either him or Charlie, at least one show up from here on out, it would nice. Moore has ticked me the last two games and has really only had 2 good games.
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
I have no issue with KJ most of the time. He has his weaknesses as we have all seen. I haven't seen anything saying so but I'd like to know whether he is on track to graduate this yr given it's his 4th yr in College. That could factor into his own decision if his brother does leave. We saw how the Morris twins left together. The Martin twins at Nevada stayed even though one would probably be drafted but the other wouldn't. So theres a history of brothers sticking together and either staying or going as a package. I only gave a few examples but I think its difficult for those who are used to spending every day together and then bam one goes off on their own. Usually doesnt happen from what I've seen. Do we even land Dedric if we didnt take KJ?
Well said. I'd be fine w/ KJ on the team next year but it feels unlikely.
Well not 100 % sure but from what I had heard is that KJ will graduate this year for sure on track. I've heard the chance more likely then not would be when Dedric leaves KJ will also be leaving. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@BeddieKU23 As of this minute , it would be such a HUGE mistake for Q to leave but as we know we are dealing with what? - -18-19 yr old kids at Q's present time right? - As I and I think most know or have heard the NBA drafts of potential - -so I'm sure that's in his parents mind AND his.
Just a side thought I don't know but maybe Quentin just has never fully connected or invested 100% into College basketball , totally buying into the idea and had in his head that he wasn't going to be here after this year anyways , so he didn't fully connect with the team or program , and when he started to struggle those thoughts became stronger - -frustration grew and now - - - -,?
Who knows. Could be - - I've also heard people mention also that maybe in reality - -Quentin just might be in the wrong program - -just not a good fit - -guess we fans for sure can't make that decision as much as he needs to come back - -should come back , I mean I'd take him for sure a 2nd year - -I just have this feel he won't be back. By this point I'm sure or I think mom and dad are probably supporting him and even telling him -- stick it out through this year and then declare - -again NBA is all about potential - -I dunno. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
It might have been said, but KJ would leave because he will have graduated already. This is his 4th year in college. So unless he wants his masters, going and making money playing somewhere overseas seems like a good choice for him.
I see KJ getting ragged on quite a bit here. IMO, itās completely unwarranted. What I saw last night, was a calming presence on the court when it mattered most. Obviously it was a team effort, but we do not win that game last night without KJ. I think he could be a solid 6th man next year. In college, heās a stretch 3. He's always has played in the shadow of DL and defers to him on the court unequivocally. When he does hunt his shot, heās pretty effficent. I mean look at the stat sheet last night 16 min 4-6 on the floor, 2-2 from the line, 10 points 3 boards 0 To 0 pf. How is he the worst guy on a scholly? Curious to see what his development would be next year without DL. Regardless, Iād like to see him get more minutes, like at least 10-15 a game. Heās efficient and when the game was on the line, he seemed unfazed by the moment.
@jayballer73 Q in the wrong program? That's laughable. They've been saying the same thing about our top recruits for 20 years or more. Q dominated everybody until he ran into players that were just as athletic, and it exposed him. He has slow feet, and he doesn't have alot of quickness, which hurts him defending, and hurts him from separating from defenders. Near the end of the first half, he sank a nice fade away ...which in my 6th day of the flu recollection, was the first time all year I can remember that he actually did something on his own to create space.
HEM compared him to a freshman Wayne Selden, and I think that is a very favorable comparison towards Q. Even Wayne shooting the bolo shot from behind his head was more accurate than Q. In my limited basketball strategery, it appears he doesn't do anything without the ball, and when he does get the ball, he fires away without being set, which makes his shot go long on practically every shot. i mean...let's get real. If we had built our entire offensive approach around Q from the get-go, would we even have a winning record? The way I look at it is if Q doesn't have the ability to look honestly at the results, and realize he needs another good year at least in college in order to even sniff time in the NBA, then he probably wouldn't listen enough to do the things he needs to do to get better at the college game. So, it's a grow up or die moment, imo.
@kjayhawks I'm not understanding or agreeing with the KJ hate at all. KJ won that game for us, period. He hit 2 buckets without flinching when the game was on the line. Your timing to go on a KJ rant is ...odd.
@kjayhawks LOL...oh, ok. That makes sense. Both KJ and Mitch have been MIA most of the year. It is great seeing them contribute.
I think we may have found a role for KJ last night. When I think of KJ, I think of two things. Slow. Fearless.
It makes him perfect for the 2nd half of games. Once everyone else's legs are tired, he seems to be able to actually play D and provide a spark on O. As far as fearless, you have to have guys not scared to shoot in order to close out games. He doesn't play scared and seems to never get shook. So, I'm absolute pro KJ from minutes 25-35 and see if he can help close out a game or provide a nice little spark.
@Kcmatt7 I'm absolutely 1,000% behind that idea. He did a better Dedric impression than Dedric did last night. This guy has definite clutch tendencies, and for a team starting 4 freshmen, we need all the clutch we can get. Something was different last night. Maybe the guy has finally relaxed, and let the game come to him. He looked like the player we thought we were getting last night. The lightbulb has come on, and I have a good feeling it won't go off again.
user_RCJH said:
I see KJ getting ragged on quite a bit here. IMO, itās completely unwarranted. What I saw last night, was a calming presence on the court when it mattered most. Obviously it was a team effort, but we do not win that game last night without KJ. I think he could be a solid 6th man next year. In college, heās a stretch 3. He's always has played in the shadow of DL and defers to him on the court unequivocally. When he does hunt his shot, heās pretty effficent. I mean look at the stat sheet last night 16 min 4-6 on the floor, 2-2 from the line, 10 points 3 boards 0 To 0 pf. How is he the worst guy on a scholly? Curious to see what his development would be next year without DL. Regardless, Iād like to see him get more minutes, like at least 10-15 a game. Heās efficient and when the game was on the line, he seemed unfazed by the moment.
I couldn't agree more with everything you have said. - -The way I look at it - all we have seen is some spot minutes from KJ - -some games None at all. - -people are watching and gauging him off very limited minutes. - I don't think KJ is our worst player by far - -I think far from that.
I think we got more of a REAL look what KJ can do in extended minutes like last night- -he get's a few minutes during rag tag time at the ends of the games lots of turnovers - -quick shots kind of hard to see the true play of a player - KJ brings things to the table- -I can only hope possibly he will start seeing the floor a little more. - - Actually here again he is even possibly a better option then our Marcus - -NOW I'm talking Offensively - -again Offensively - -I admit defensively not even close to Marcus - -but at least here again when KJ is on the floor - -teams have to play more straight up can't slack off as much- - Now people can tell me I'm wrong -- that's fine but I'll stick to he IS NOT our worst player by any means. -- - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@KUSTEVE He is not a step slow. He is two steps. And the motor is seriously lacking. Can you imagine how much Och had been outplaying him in practice with Och running on the Red team? The coaches must have been going nuts. To his credit, Q has seemed to welcome Och's presence and they seem to be playing pretty well together when Q could have responded quite differently.
@Fightsongwriter "... as the 2nd half microwave." Nice. Vinnie Johnson references always welcome.
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I know some people get all bent out of shape about Fran for some reason, but he is really tight with Self and has connections inside the staff. I wouldnāt be shocked at all if this is what he is hearing right now about Ochai, Q, and Dotson.
Self will absolutely encourage him to go pro when the time is right for him and his family. He does with all of them, which is something I appreciate. With that being said, Iād think he will be lucky to be a 1st rounder this season because itās hard to see him be able to contribute for an NBA team in a year. I think one more year makes sense.
I really like what this team could be next season. Dotson is already arguably the best PG in this conference, Doke if he returns is the best true 5 man in this conference and Ochai could be the best 3 man if he has a good offseason. I hope KJ stays with the way he has shown he can contribute. Grimes could be a solid player if he puts in the work.
Woodrow said:
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I know some people get all bent out of shape about Fran for some reason, but he is really tight with Self and has connections inside the staff. I wouldnāt be shocked at all if this is what he is hearing right now about Ochai, Q, and Dotson.
It's not from Fran but what he quoted but I must say the Ray Allen comp is insane.
If Fran puts something like that out there, he knows. KU fans can bitch all they want, but Self and Fran are tight. I think itās why Fran is always so hard on KU. He and Self see how good KU can be and comment as such. Just remember last year when all Fran said was KU was going to play bully ball with Doke and Dedric. Fran knows as much about the program as anyone not employed by KUAD.
Fran also said today Vick would not be back ...
HighEliteMajor said:
Fran also said today Vick would not be back ...
Heās right. Vick isnāt coming back. Itās clear that weāre better off without him and Vickās family needs him. Itās better for everyone this way.
@FarmerJayhawk you think self wanted him to announce it? Wouldn't it be better for their family if he finished school and bb so he could make some kind of living to better help their family?
Crimsonorblue22 said:
@FarmerJayhawk you think self wanted him to announce it? Wouldn't it be better for their family if he finished school and bb so he could make some kind of living to better help their family?
Explicitly? If things ended poorly I donāt think Self cares. We also donāt know if Vick graduated in December. Itās entirely possible he did. He can still be on scholarship and get his stipend if he graduated and is enrolled.
Ok, so at this moment we believe the narrative that his family needed him AND that was the real reason he left? Iām sure there is something that can be articulated there to support that narrative.
But I believe Vick left because of his inability to be a positive member of the team and that the end of the rope was reached.
Look at Selfās post-Vick comments about the positive team dynamic, playing together, etc. Thatās no coincidence.
Look at how Self handled his departure last spring and that he required him to sign an agreement to return.
Look at the history with Vick. The benchings, the reasons he was benched (āHe has a bad Thursdayā, for example), his behavior related issues, etc.
Itās quite obvious.
Remember Tharpe? Leaving due to transfer to be closer to home due to āextenuating circumstancesā related to his daughter. Only to sign with the Los Angeles D-League team a few months later.
My topic last season asking whether Newman was a team cancer should have inserted Vick for Newman.
We have all the evidence we need now on Vick.
If Fran makes the comment about him not coming back, and makes no mention of a family situation, heās relating this to the team dynamic.
Come on. Not born yesterday. Self shields players from direct blame, and this is no different. In house stuff stays in house.
@HighEliteMajor when Fran was very complimentary of the team and it's capacity to go very deep in the tourney, my assumption was that he had been spoken to about crapping on Kansas and this was his fake alter ego.
But if Fran is as close to the team as people suggest, do you think that Fran has truly changed his mind about our fortunes based on the Vick departure?
@approxinfinity The best way to answer that is with a question ā how do we all feel about the team now that Vick is gone?
A classic case of addition by subtraction. Chemistry. Team first. Loss of negative energy.
Vick can be really good, but the value of pulling the rope in the same direction outweighs Vickās inconsistent positive performances. My outlook has totally changed.
One hint was how bad Vick was off the bench. Not, hey, Iām going to prove myself and make up for my screw up. But more like the classic pouter.
We donāt need Vick. Iāll take losing the Big 12 and a first round exit over accommodating me-first knuckleheads that blow the greatest second chance of a lifetime.
@HighEliteMajor He won us a couple games early. When the real Vick showed back up, he cost us a couple games later with selfish play. Net result: even in win/loss but would have rather had him help us win a couple conf. games. In the end, Ochai is filling his role and bringing WAY more game.
Bye Vick. Hope you get it figured out. Go Bill Go!
FarmerJayhawk said:
If Fran puts something like that out there, he knows. KU fans can bitch all they want, but Self and Fran are tight. I think itās why Fran is always so hard on KU. He and Self see how good KU can be and comment as such. Just remember last year when all Fran said was KU was going to play bully ball with Doke and Dedric. Fran knows as much about the program as anyone not employed by KUAD.
Exactly. This was my point. He doesnāt just say things like this without having heard it from someone inside the program.
HighEliteMajor said:
Fran also said today Vick would not be back ...
Which there is no doubt he heard from Self. When mentioning Vick you could tell it was not a leave of absence for a family matter and or Vickās decision. Which most people pretty much knew when this news came out.
Woodrow said:
HighEliteMajor said:
Fran also said today Vick would not be back ...
Which there is no doubt he heard from Self. When mentioning Vick you could tell it was not a leave of absence for a family matter and or Vickās decision. Which most people pretty much knew when this news came out.
Yep, Self just keeps it polite. Lala still cheering for KU indicates to me that she knows Lagerald is a knucklehead.
"I'm enjoying being around them and coaching more because there seems to be more positive energy," Self said. "Itās starting to get fun and fun is imperative."
Translation: Vick is gone with the wind, and we're better for it. Good luck, LV.
Amazing how much is known to so many people. I hope everyone can now start on discovering the end of a Moebius strip, or how far is up.
Vick clearly had problems. Let's kick him now he is gone.
@approxinfinity I have no problem with believing Vick didn't fit in for some reason, or that the team seems more cohesive with him gone. It is the accusations of being disruptive, and the "don't let the door hit you on the way out"-type comments that bother me. Many seem to care about KU players only insofar as they please fans' expectations.
mayjay said:
@approxinfinity I have no problem with believing Vick didn't fit in for some reason, or that the team seems more cohesive with him gone. It is the accusations of being disruptive, and the "don't let the door hit you on the way out"-type comments that bother me. Many seem to care about KU players only insofar as they please fans' expectations.
This is sports fans in general.
There is a wild rumor going around about Vick, I won't repeat it here.
mayjay said:
@approxinfinity I have no problem with believing Vick didn't fit in for some reason, or that the team seems more cohesive with him gone. It is the accusations of being disruptive, and the "don't let the door hit you on the way out"-type comments that bother me. Many seem to care about KU players only in so far as they please fans' expectations.
ya pretty easy to throw shade at someone without knowing the Real reason - -or reasons about what truly is going on. - -How easy it is to talk say man so glad Vick came back - -so glad he is here - -then in a blink of the eye - - -goes to glad he is gone - -which he would of never came back - -disruptive - - cancer - -not a team player -- almost funny how quick people turn - - I said ALMOST
How quick so called fans turn - -honestly -- about makes me sick - -you call that a FAN? -you don't know Vick - - I don't know Vick -- pretty easy for people to speculate make assumptions - how good you feel about yourself being like that?
Kind of runs along the lines of my wife - - she watch's something on TV - - she doesn't agree with some woman - or disagrees with the woman OR guy - -they then just automatically become a BITCH. - - same thing - -something Vick does or Did - -then he just automatically becomes a Cancer - - - loser - - not a team player -- so he is not a team player - - Your not a true fan - - these kids - -ALL of them through good time AND bad times need our support - -not talking bullshit on them - -THERE KIDS believe it or not - -ya your right it bothers me too - - - who is the kid/player here - -and who is the adult? - -kinda have to wonder
Lala is still sharing the crap out of KU stuff on twitter, I'll stick with what I said earlier. If he isn't back this week, he ain't coming back. It's disappointing for me because Vick is capable of being a great player but it's on him to do so.
Iāve always loved Vickās potential, but he has always been fairly reclusive. I was worried about him assuming a leadership position as it doesnāt fit his personality. I have never liked Vickās attitude nor his self destructive moments off the court, but I really hoped this second chance would bring him around.
Iām of the opinion you can mostly control your own happiness. If you choose to look for the negative in all you see, youāll be pretty miserable. If you choose to see the good in all you see, youāll have a much easier time being happy. I know when I walk around with a big smile on my face (real or fake) I get much friendlier responses than otherwise. So you reap what you sew.
As for Vick it seems (from my outside perspective) he struggles to find happiness within himself. I hope LeGerald finds what he needs.
Gary Bedore tweeted he thinks Azubuike will turn pro after the season.
āAzubuike hasn't announced anything regarding next year. If you are asking my opinion I would not count on him being back. Very good chance of turning pro IMO.ā
@BeddieKU23 I recall Gary Bedore also thought Tyshawn Taylor would be an all-American and the best PG in KU history ... so, you know. But it seems his opinion on Doke may be a bit more accurate.
**Note, I can't prove it regarding Bedore. He was on the radio after he did an article on Taylor learning from his mistakes. But it was etched in my memory given my great frustration with the TT.
@HighEliteMajor TT ended up a 3rd team AA his senior year if I recall correctly...
But I also typically thing Gary is one of the least connected reporters that covers KU sports...
I don't think Bedore has any inside info on Azubuike. I think its too early to tell what he will do. Self just commented on him this week saying he's out until June. Either way his NBA chances are extremely slim and he'll miss at least some of the off-season player development if he stays. Not really a win-win for him regardless. Will be interesting to see how it shakes out
For anyone that did not read the article, Agbaji confirms he will be returning for next season.
@BeddieKU23 I really want Doke back. He can make money somewhere, though. Can't begrudge that. He's given this his best shot.
Did I mention, Agbagi is my favorite player? I haven't said it for a few days.
I was in the same boat about Doke coming back. Better to have a known commodity. Then we have started to see Dave develop without him here. We are getting 3 more years of Dave. Do we want his development stymied another year?
The biggest issues is the injuries with Doke. Hasn't had one season without a season/ending or season changing injury. Is it bad luck or is he a Greg Oden?
I'll support whatever he does with his future. Would love to see him end it here of course but we do have a big waiting in the wings if he leaves..
HighEliteMajor said:
Did I mention, Agbagi is my favorite player? I haven't said it for a few days.
It's a toss-up between Agbaji and Dotson for me.
And I echo the sentiment on Doke. Kid has been injured every year. Go pro if that's what he wants to do. Won't be in the NBA but some league will take him I am sure.
Dotson is my favorite by quite a long way...
My guess right now on critical players.
Back: Dotson, Grimes, Doke
Gone: Dedric
BShark said:
My guess right now on critical players.
Back: Dotson, Grimes, Doke
Gone: Dedric
I agree with this very much. The staff's recruiting approach has leaned this way.
BShark said:
My guess right now on critical players.
Back: Dotson, Grimes, Doke
Gone: Dedric
Concur. If Doke was definitely leaving we'd be chasing more than 2 bigs right now. Grimes is in the high 50's-60's on most draft boards so I can't see him going anywhere. There just isn't a 2019 first rounder on this team. Even Dedric is a mid-2nd kind of guy.
I agree with that assessment as well @BShark . It just doesn't make much sense for Dedric to come back. I think Dotson and Grimes will both for sure be back. It is hard to get a read on Doke. One would think he should come back, but he could make a lot of money playing overseas.
I also wouldn't be surprised to see KJ and Charlie move on as well. I think they could both be grad transfer candidates.
BShark said:
My guess right now on critical players.
Back: Dotson, Grimes, Doke
Gone: Dedric
you could be very close. - -I'm thinking more and more Grimes will be back - -the only on out of the three that may not I think is Doke. If Doke DOES come back - - we gonna be pretty dam salty
So will we be back with run 2 bigs all the time next year? We are starting 2 right now but seem to be playing with 4 guards more. I think some of it may have to do with what Doke decides but unless SDS is given a lesser penalty I dont see us having a choice. I still would like for us to sign a big guy for next years class given Dedric is mostly done and not knowing about Doke.
@kjayhawks Depends on the roster I'd say. If we only have Dave + Mitch and one addition...idk...
