hey Guys & Gals - you know every time I watch Devon can't help but get amped up. - -If you have been with this site for awhile you will know how much I like this kid.

I was on his recruiting train for some time - -pretty much in the beginning I wanted this kid. Thank GOD we got him.

Just watch his lil video he put out - - -MAN I think he has a really good chance to be pretty dam special this year. - As I stated so many times during our past season - -the kid is just an absolute blur - -lightning quick from baseline to baseline.

Worked on his shooting - -his body more developed/defined - he putting in work. - -Enjoy this guy this season my friends- - -cause after this year he is GONE. - -as much as I hate it just don't see any way he returns - especially if he has that special year that I think is very realistic for him this year - -look for his scoring to be up some - he averaged 12.5 last yr - -would surprise to see like `14.0 this year -TO'S are gonna drop I think - -had decent shot last year - -feel that's gonna be better - - that's my boy -- - -get some Devon - -let your game do your talking - -make us proud - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

https://twitter.com/d_dotson1 ↗ ↗

Remember the old adage, guards win championships. Lots of examples of a stud PG leading a team to the promised land. Would trade Dotson for any other PG in the country right now.

@HighEliteMajor would?

@HighEliteMajor Quentin is probably available.

Wouldn’t .. I’m not that great at giving compliments.

I liked the video, but would have preferred the less-stylized version... without slo-mo... and choppy cuts. I've been claiming for quite some time that Devon would be a completely different player this year. His first year was about playing cautious, trying not to mess up. This year it is all-out ballin'!

Looks like he is a bit stronger, and he'll have to be if he wants a decent draft spot next summer. Strengthening is all about now. Once the season starts guys usually lose a bit of it because they aren't pushing heavy weights and they run off some of their mass.

Devon has a lightning fast crossover. Something I always look for in a guard. Can he blast by any defender? In this case.... YES he can! Then... will he drive past all defenders? I believe he will. It's one thing to have the ability to drive. It's another thing to have the drive to drive. My money says Devon has both and we are in for a rocket season!

We are all worried about trey scoring. I'm not. I hope we have a few guys who bust a good percentage. But I'm fine if we have a PG who will drive it to the rim every other play and score or feed one of our dunk monsters.

Trey shooting will always fail eventually. The only time the drive fails (from the right setup) is if the defense has a monster blocker. Not sure who is out there in D1 this year to fill that title. But if he's out there... let's hope that is the night we smack down some treys to offset.

I'm having fun dreaming about Devon out-driving all those who came before him... Devonte.... Frank... Tyshawn... Sherron....

That's a mighty tall order, but Devon has the tools and a razor-sharp mind. I just hope he stays focused on playing with all-out aggression!

drgnslayr said:

I liked the video, but would have preferred the less-stylized version... without slo-mo... and choppy cuts. I've been claiming for quite some time that Devon would be a completely different player this year. His first year was about playing cautious, trying not to mess up. This year it is all-out ballin'!

Looks like he is a bit stronger, and he'll have to be if he wants a decent draft spot next summer. Strengthening is all about now. Once the season starts guys usually lose a bit of it because they aren't pushing heavy weights and they run off some of their mass.

Devon has a lightning fast crossover. Something I always look for in a guard. Can he blast by any defender? In this case.... YES he can! Then... will he drive past all defenders? I believe he will. It's one thing to have the ability to drive. It's another thing to have the drive to drive. My money says Devon has both and we are in for a rocket season!

We are all worried about trey scoring. I'm not. I hope we have a few guys who bust a good percentage. But I'm fine if we have a PG who will drive it to the rim every other play and score or feed one of our dunk monsters.

Trey shooting will always fail eventually. The only time the drive fails (from the right setup) is if the defense has a monster blocker. Not sure who is out there in D1 this year to fill that title. But if he's out there... let's hope that is the night we smack down some treys to offset.

I'm having fun dreaming about Devon out-driving all those who came before him... Devonte.... Frank... Tyshawn... Sherron....

That's a mighty tall order, but Devon has the tools and a razor-sharp mind. I just hope he stays focused on playing with all-out aggression!

I think he sometimes deferred to Grimes last year. I think, in some sense, they all did trying to get him involved. That won't be the case this year.

@drgnslayr The issue with not having a couple of reliable three point shooters is that defenses can pack the paint against KU to take away drives. We saw it last year that without reliable outside shooting (especially after Vick was removed from the equation), KU had extended runs where they struggled to get good looks and would have a 4-5 minute stretch where they didn't make a FG.

I'm not saying this team should jack them up like the teams from 2016-2018 did because KU doesn't have multiple guys capable of hitting 42% and above on a near nightly basis. This is why Isaiah Moss is so key for KU this year, he's the guy that can force defenses to be honest because he can knock down 3's, even if he's not the most consistent guy. I also think Dotson is the other high minute guy that can knock down near 40% this year. I don't really know what to expect from Agbaji this year in terms of shooting. It seems like he was pretty good before his shin issues, but I could be off on that. I'll be happy if he's at 35% this year. Having reliable outside shooters will also help Garrett out on offense quite a bit because that'll keep teams from doubling him on drives which is his biggest strength on that end of the floor.

I'm very curious to see how this team looks on offense this year because the possibility of this team regressing on offense is real to me. Moss is a very similar type of player to Vick on offense so that's a push at that spot to me. Silvio is a downgrade on offense from Lawson. I honestly don't know if any of the freshmen are going to see significant minutes this year once Self trims the rotation.

Defensively, this team should be much better because Moss and Silvio are much better defenders than Vick and Lawson were along with getting Grimes out of there. I genuinely don't see the offense being significantly better this year, but the defense should be quite a bit better and make the offense look like they're much improved.

My one concern with team chemistry is with Isaiah Moss. Not in regards to being a team cancer because there's nothing to indicate that. My concern is that he wasn't on campus this summer getting those scrimmage reps with his new teammates building on court chemistry. I know he and Dotson have played together before so it shouldn't take long for them to click, but he's never played with the other players and I'd be willing to bet we see some miscommunication early on with Moss because of that. I don't expect that to be a season long issue, but I think it will be an issue probably until sometime around Christmas break.

I know some will take my being critical of some areas as me being down on this team, but I think this a team more than capable of making a run to Atlanta this year. The only team that I think has a higher ceiling than this team is Michigan State.

The key for this team is keeping Doke healthy. If Doke stays healthy all year, this team will go to Atlanta. Even as flawed as last season's team was, they beat several really good teams while Doke was healthy. I know Dotson is hugely important as well, but I think Dotson's more replaceable on this team than Doke is.

@Texas-Hawk-10

Very solid post. I can't really disagree with anything you said, except I do think Moss will be a leap up over Vick. I definitely think he should work out to be more consistent down the stretch, where Vick would usually disappear.

If teams pack the paint enough to stop a lightning speed Devon, then they will have to leave guys too open from the outside, making fair shooters sharp shooters. To stop Devon they will have to be posted in his driving lanes.

I like the idea that we have a PG extremely capable to blow by someone and also finish. If Devon turns out to be the warrior I think he will be, then the rest will fall into place. This year's Devon should be the difference over last year's Devon (on offense). But all we can do is speculate for now, and dream...

I completely agree with you on the defensive end. We should be much better. Also... having more depth in the post will be a big help there, too. Defense was our biggest failure last year. It was hard to recognize that team as a "Self team."

Ultimately, the most determining factor will be team cohesion. From what I hear and feel, this team will come together and conquer. A far cry from the mysteries of last year's team.

It's a good idea to advance with caution. I'm just enjoying the possibility of a stellar year! And I'm not thinking of a Calipari "perfect season!"

@Texas-Hawk-10 Excellent analysis. I think you hit every point. The one point I would make about Moss is he has played with Devon in the past, so that familiarity could pay dividends in several ways. When he starts learning the offensive sets, and he is completely wide open for shots, I think he is going to very glad he isn't still at Iowa. Like you said though, it's going to take some time to adjust.

I would not want to think of Silvio as a downgrade as an offensive threat compared to Lawson even tho he probably will not score as much. We pretty much had to ride Dedric all season wearing him out in the process and we are more rounded now, i hope, so no one player should have to carry the load he did. I see Silvio as a more mobile athletic and aggressive player he also showed some midrange touch and I would like to think that has improved. So as a scoring threat he's likely to be right up there as someone you have to defend and defend well at all times or he will eat you alive.

Just watch this highlight when thinking about comparing Lawson to Silvio.

Now I’m not saying I don’t like Lawson. In fact it’s opposite. He was drug through the mud last year with how much he was used. He lacked a few... umm abilities, but he had his heart in the game. Without him last year we wouldn’t make it to the tournament. He’s up there in the top 10 favorite Jayhawks for me.

Who’s better? Silvio in my opinion but he won’t average a double double.

I think who is better depends on your team. I think Dedric could be a magical fit in some circumstances. But if I got to choose regardless of fit, I'd take Silvio. No question.

@rockchalkwyo Nothing against Dedric, but you're first I've ever heard that would put him in their top 10 Jayhawks.

@HighEliteMajor absolutely I’d take Silvio over Lawson any day. I just hold Lawson high on my list just because he bailed us out last year and had heart. He wasn’t flashy or cocky about it either. Just curious, who’s your top 10?

It can be difficult to do a true comparison between Lawson and Silvio because their skill sets are vastly different. My main comparison is that Lawson was a well refined player with a a well rounded offensive game. Lawson could score from any level from in close to the mid-range to the perimeter. Silvio isn't there yet with the development of his offensive game. Unless Silvio has range we don't know about yet, he's a non factor on the perimeter to hit an outside shot.

I think Silvio can eventually get there with his range, but I don't see it happening in 2019-20 for him though.

On the defensive end, it's not close that Silvio is the better player compared to Lawson because of Silvio's athleticism. It'll take time for Silvio's offensive game to develop because he's still relatively new to the game of basketball.

@rockchalkwyo 1) Mason 2) TRob 3) Hinrich 4) Jordan 5) Releford 6) Collison 7) Collins 8 ) Manning 9) LaFrenz 10) Simien -- others I debated including were Chalmers, Withey, Graham. Just my favorites.

You?

@HighEliteMajor nice list. Mine would have to be... 1) Mason without a doubt! The rest are interchangeable more or less.
2) Graham
3) Manning before my time but I watched a few highlights and man was he good.
4) Trob
5) morris twins. I can’t say one is better than the other.
6) Svi he started playing at 16, well I believe. My memory gets foggy from time to time.
7) Hinrich
8) Chalmers he might actually be more top 20 but sending a championship game to over time is pretty cool.
9) Whitney
10) Dedrick. If he was on 19 of 20 KU rosters he would no doubt be a bench player but with how he bailed us out he’s up here for me. Yes I know I might be the only one but hey, it’s my opinion right?

Also I grew up without cable and what TV I did have it was so spotty that I barely even seen a game that wasn’t a tournament game. So all of my favorites are relatively recent

@rockchalkwyo @HighEliteMajor let me play.

1 Frank. His story is great. Overcame hard obstacles. Gives back to Petersburg now. Love the dude.

2 Mario. Ice cold.

3 Devonte. BIG shoes to fill. Sucked in Franks final game. Came back hard and led the team the following year to the FF.

4 B Rush. Most reliable corner 3.

Underrated D on CDR. I remember the first game he played, reverse jam full speed in transition. Felt the defender on his hip and did what had to be done. Awesome.

5/6/7 Darnell/Sasha/Russ Rob. These are all interchangeable. Team was so good. Those guys were the heart. Darrell and Sherron were the most talented and I appreciate that. But they aren't what I see when I close my eyes and think of that team.

8 Svi. Worked hard and was so money his senior year. Drilling threes against Kentucky and Duke were highlights.

9/10/11 TomRob, Withey and Releford. Loved the toughness of that team. Those guys worked hard and got better year over year. Tom Rob was a double double machine, Withey a block party, Releford a lockdown defender that improved his shooting year over year.

Good lists all around! I’m quite surprised nobody included Wilt or Clyde Lovellette

@HighEliteMajor Cannot argue your choices so I included some well known but not on many lists. I have Steve Woodberry, Mark Randall, Richard Scott, Rex Walters, Darnell Jackson, Scot Pollard, and Travis Releford. There are many others who could be named and discussed here.

We have certainly been near the top of most recruiting classes although this years class was below standard if ONLY looking at incoming freshmen but the way everything else fell into place, it's a very solid class of 3/4 year players who will be the backbone of this team for the next 4 years.

@FarmerJayhawk If I had been around and saw them play then an easy yes. I didn't see Jo Jo White mentioned or Darnel Valentine (my time period) either. So many good players it's hard to go wrong.

No Paul Pierce? Man, loved watching him play. Other then that, I’d fill out my top ten with players already mentioned.

Lawson would not make my top 100 let alone a top 10.

1 Manning
2 Valentine
3 Pierce
4 Vaughn
5 Raef
6 Thompson
7 Simien
8 Rush
9 D Jackson
10 Mason

No love for 45 year old Perry Ellis?? Kidding. He's not in my Top 10 but surprised he wasn't mentioned.

Not sure who would fill my Top 10 list... I know the Big Dipper, after that I continually change my mind, depending what day it is.

@HighEliteMajor Manning at 8?

@jhawk7782 I like that Woodberry, Randall, Scott and Walters made your list. They were transistional players that helped us get over probation, and they won alot of games.

Let me give it a go, ranking not skill but their importance to the KU trajectory (players that I watched) : 1) Manning, SI Cover "Oh, Danny Boy!" 2) Adonis Jordon, Roy's first recruit 3) & 4) Mark Randall and Rex Walters, helped get us past probation 5) Jacque Vaughn 6) Raef LaFrentz 7) Paul Pierce 8) Brandon Rush 9) Mario Chalmers 10) Jeff Withey

@Marco whyd you delete? I liked your list

@approxinfinity Really, you liked @Marco's list of 1) David Padgett, 2) J.R. Giddens, 3) T.J. Pugh, 4) Tyrone Appleton, and 5) Luke Axtell? I only saw these five before he deleted.

Ok, Top Ten non-studs, but great Kansas players -- lunch pail, blue collar, bleed crimson and blue. Here are my top 10: 1) Jeff Graves, 2) Kevin Young, 3) Clint Normore, 4) Nick Bradford, 5) Landon Lucas, 6) Patrick Richey, 7) Conner Teahan, 8 ) Chris Piper, 9) Tyrel Reed, 10) Jamari Traylor. (I love Tarik Black, but just had him one season).

HighEliteMajor said:

Ok, Top Ten non-studs, but great Kansas players -- lunch pail, blue collar, bleed crimson and blue. Here are my top 10: 1) Jeff Graves, 2) Kevin Young, 3) Clint Normore, 4) Nick Bradford, 5) Landon Lucas, 6) Patrick Richey, 7) Conner Teahan, 8 ) Chris Piper, 9) Tyrel Reed, 10) Jamari Traylor. (I love Tarik Black, but just had him one season).

Ok now this is what I meant by having Dedrick in my top 10. I just Liked the guy so much I couldn’t separate the list. Thanks HEM

Now what about everyone’s favorite game? Not counting the 2008 championship because we’ll, that’s just a no brainer

@HighEliteMajor haha I didn't see any of those on the list youre referring to :) he did have Adonis Jordan on there and I believe you did as well. I was surprised and didn't realize that he had a big impact on the program. He was before I followed the program.

Since I became a Jaywhawk in '85. Danny, and then everyone else. I'm not sure if people who didn't watch him day in and day out realize how good of a player he was. At the time people were comparing his skill set with Magic Johnson. Of course Danny didn't have the flair of Magic, but he was every bit as good in college. After the great players of '86 left, Danny carried that team maybe like no other player ever has since Wilt. I'd put Pierce at 2, Chalmers at 3 for his clutch gene, Collison, then Frank, then Kirk, then Simien, then Joel, then Sherron, and oh I guess Brandon Rush last in my top 10. But we've had so many to choose from!

I started watching in 89, so no Manning.
1. Mario
2. Jacque
3. Haase
4. Pierce
5. Jordan
6. Hinrich
7. Ostertag
8. Collison
9. TRob
10a. Mason
10b. Simien
Can’t stop here...
11. Embiid
12. McLemore
13. Darnell
14. TJ Whatney’s mustache
15. Sherron
16. Rush
17. Withey
18. Walters
19. Woodberry
20. Gregory

Ugg forgot Devonte, Raef, Morrii, and Pollard. So many to chose from. I’m sure I’m forgetting someone epic.

@dylans Silly list. Jordan played for North Carolina.

@wissox lol A. Jordan not The Jordan.

Anyone remember Mark Randall?He was really good in his day.

@KUSTEVE I do, even had a cup of coffee in the NBA with the Bulls. He and Richard Scott made a great front court on the 91 near champions.

@wissox That's when I realized what a genius Roy Williams was as a coach. He took a marginal talent, taught the guy to seal off his man in the post, and make the easy layup. He became a force on our team. That's some great coaching with that one.

@KUSTEVE I agree. That 91 team was not loaded with NBA talent. Yet they came close.

Enjoying this thread. Bball is still too far off!

BRADY!

@mayjay where is Brady on your list? I think hes about 85th on mine.

KUSTEVE said:

@wissox That's when I realized what a genius Roy Williams was as a coach. He took a marginal talent, taught the guy to seal off his man in the post, and make the easy layup. He became a force on our team. That's some great coaching with that one.

I realized it when we smoked UNLV at Madison Square Garden in the 89-90 season. Back-cuts galore. One of my favorite non-March games.

@approxinfinity Adonis was awesome. Loved how he commanded the floor. Right behind Mason as far as KU PG in my opinion. Hard nosed. Tough D. Excellent 3 ball. Nails as a ball handler.

Amazing how our program savior (Andrew Wiggins) isn’t on ANYONE’S list.

And no Josh Jackson. No X. No Selby. No Cliff. No Grimes.

Another that sticks out — No Selden.

Tyshawn should be on my list...well good Tyshawn.

@dylans Tyshawn doesn't make my list because he was a knucklehead for the better part of his time here and he could not shoot the three. EJ doesnt make it because of the Mitch McGary nut punch.

@HighEliteMajor BMac, technically not a OAD, and Joel are really the only OAD's I ever cared for.

@HighEliteMajor I’ve got a soft spot for Josh Jackson, but agreed...not top 10 material.

@approxinfinity Final Four. One got KU there, one player cost KU one.

Pollard is on my list of favorite 3 point shooters.

I'd take wiggs and Benny mac. I have to many, can't do 10. I loved wiggs, I know not many on here are fans, he was our best defender too.

@HighEliteMajor That was my favorite game of the Roy Williams era. We POUNDED UNLV. When UNLV went on to win the national championship, I kept thinking if only we had made it that far, the championship would've been ours..

My all knucklehead team: Tyshawn, Carlton Bragg, Vick...twice, EJ, Cliff Alexander. Who am I missing?

KUSTEVE said:

My all knucklehead team: Tyshawn, Carlton Bragg, Vick...twice, EJ, Cliff Alexander. Who am I missing?

Greene and Tharpe.

dylans said:

@approxinfinity Final Four. One got KU there, one player cost KU one.

I'd argue EJ was a big reason we made the Final in 2012 though. I did very much appreciate EJ, and that he played out of position for us and was money in that tournament. I think he also played hurt a large part of his time at Kansas

@approxinfinity true, but the last thing he did in a Kansas uniform was a huge disappointment. I really liked EJ too, but that was beyond stupid. Unfortunately he didn’t have a chance to atone.

@KUSTEVE - Billy Preston

wissox said:

Since I became a Jaywhawk in '85. Danny, and then everyone else. I'm not sure if people who didn't watch him day in and day out realize how good of a player he was. At the time people were comparing his skill set with Magic Johnson. Of course Danny didn't have the flair of Magic, but he was every bit as good in college. After the great players of '86 left, Danny carried that team maybe like no other player ever has since Wilt. I'd put Pierce at 2, Chalmers at 3 for his clutch gene, Collison, then Frank, then Kirk, then Simien, then Joel, then Sherron, and oh I guess Brandon Rush last in my top 10. But we've had so many to choose from!

Boy , I'm right there with you for sure about Danny. - Danny was a real pleasure to watch , and as you said he just took that team on his shoulders and carried us to that 88 Championship.

I mean sure the others played important roles that night , but they knew their roles - - I remember Clint Normore hitting that big shot from the top of the key - -But it was all about Danny that night he carried/wiled that team - - remember - - The Announcers I believe Billy Packer -- which by the way was a guy I personally enjoyed as a Color commentator - -but during that Game he kept saying how he didn't think KU wanted to get into a running game with Oklahoma , Remember? - - -50-50 half time score?

Danny was a SPECIAL player " Danny and the Miracles " ok, my memory lapse is kicking in here - -Wasn't Turgeon our PG for that team? -That was another gutsy little kid from Topeka Hayden.

Heard stories about when he went to KU an just walked ino Coach Browns office and said I'm the best PG you got - -gutsy lol - -ahhh those were the days - - -ROCK CHALK ALLD AY LONG BABY

HighEliteMajor said:

Ok, Top Ten non-studs, but great Kansas players -- lunch pail, blue collar, bleed crimson and blue. Here are my top 10: 1) Jeff Graves, 2) Kevin Young, 3) Clint Normore, 4) Nick Bradford, 5) Landon Lucas, 6) Patrick Richey, 7) Conner Teahan, 8 ) Chris Piper, 9) Tyrel Reed, 10) Jamari Traylor. (I love Tarik Black, but just had him one season).

Mercy how time flies. - I'm almost ashamed to admit but - - -I have almost forgot about some of these and these guys I liked also - -just time I reckon - -I guess the one I had forgotten about was Richey - -the kid when he was hot could shoot the rock - real string bean right? - - 6'8 he was out of Kansas City area right?

Another two that I thought about that I would put in a top ten non stud would be: - - - Calvin ( Pony ) Thompson - -And Ronnie Kellogg - -mercy could Ronnie ever shoot the ball dam - -left handed too sweet had such a sweet shot - -Him and Calvin together was nice

KUSTEVE said:

Anyone remember Mark Randall?He was really good in his day.

I remember Mark - -he was solid/bigger player - like 6'9 if I remember right

Tell you some others I liked - - I liked the Knight Brothers, - - you remember them? - - Danny and Kelly both. - you remember?

KUSTEVE said:

@wissox That's when I realized what a genius Roy Williams was as a coach. He took a marginal talent, taught the guy to seal off his man in the post, and make the easy layup. He became a force on our team. That's some great coaching with that one.

Mark was with Coach Williams? - - I thought he was before that - - -my bad -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

approxinfinity said:

@mayjay where is Brady on your list? I think hes about 85th on mine.

LMAO - - -come on now - - show some love . - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer73 ok, maybe 58th. That would put him just about 5th favorite on his team.

approxinfinity said:

@jayballer73 ok, maybe 58th. That would put him just about 5th favorite on his team.

Ahhh see much better lol - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@dylans I loved EJ too. I'm not big on calling them out, some things were on their parents.

For the young folks who might not know or remember. Check out the "Miracles" who did a great job supporting Danny!
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/kansas/1988.html ↗

@KUSTEVE I forget who it was but someone got kicked off the 88 championship team. That's all time knucklehead there. Clint Normore went from an anonymous KU football player to a semi legendary basketball player because of it. The Morris bros were semi knuckleheads as well.

@jayballer73 Turgeon was already gone by '88. Danny was the point guard, small forward, shooting guard, power forward and center on that team.

@hawkmoon2020 Nice link. Player I referenced above all knucklehead Lincoln Minor. Wow, he was 0-17 on 3's before getting booted. I'd boot him too!

@Jayballer54 Kevin Pritchard was primarily the point guard.

Gorilla72 said:

@KUSTEVE - Billy Preston

Heck, if we expand to someone who never played, just go with Billy's Mom as a starter on the All-Clown squad!

@mayjay and cliffs mom, screwed their sons

hawkmoon2020 said:

For the young folks who might not know or remember. Check out the "Miracles" who did a great job supporting Danny!
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/kansas/1988.html ↗

Boy I sure remember him - - but then again I'm as old as the hills too lol - - - Roger Morningstar old - - Dave Robisch old - - -Bud Stallworth old - Pierre Russell old lmao. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

wissox said:

@jayballer73 Turgeon was already gone by '88. Danny was the point guard, small forward, shooting guard, power forward and center on that team.

LMAO -- ya Danny was whatever he wanted to be - -and nobody would say nothing -- thanks about Turg - -couldn't remember for sure - not by that much though was he? - - who was our Pg then - -I can picture him just can't remember his name. -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

No love for Langford?

@jayballer73 When I started following KU basketball, Dave Robish was our center. I remember them playing Villanova in the NCAA tournament on tv, and I was really impressed with Dave. I became a KU fan instantly. That was the first KU game I had ever seen.

wissox said:

@KUSTEVE I forget who it was but someone got kicked off the 88 championship team. That's all time knucklehead there. Clint Normore went from an anonymous KU football player to a semi legendary basketball player because of it. The Morris bros were semi knuckleheads as well.

We had some bad luck too .. Archie Marshall hurt, Marvin Branch ineligible. I saw the mention of Lincoln Minor. Remember Otis Livingston? He was supposed to be a factor. There was another guy who was ineligible I think too. All the bad luck was really good luck. Just amazing.

KUSTEVE said:

@jayballer73 When I started following KU basketball, Dave Robish was our center. I remember them playing Villanova in the NCAA tournament on tv, and I was really impressed with Dave. I became a KU fan instantly. That was the first KU game I had ever seen.

OK let's go down memory lane- pretty sure I am older - - but anyways - -do you my friend or anybody else remember when they played a game for 3rd in the NCAA tourney? - - I do - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer73 We played UCLA in the consolation game (3rd) in 1974. IIRC, Bill Walton thought it was dumb to have that game, but played enough to make it not a close contest.

@rockchalkwyo Dedric was the best player on the team - not counting players who were injured or otherwise ineligible. Dotson was not far behind imo. He has the skills and uses them but I think he isn't as 'athletic' as other top PFs For him to earn a spot on an NBA team, he will need a team that would allow him time for strength and conditioning.

I also think about next year's bigs and how Self will use them. I'd like to see how he spreads out their minutes and what combinations Self will deploy. Regardless, Silvio is going to be a beast next year. I cant wait to see him take out his frustration on the rest of the BIG12.

Texas Hawk 10: that was a well thought out post. Well worth the time it took to read.

@wissox I put Randall on my list but left out Greg Dreiling. Too many players to choose from.

@jhawk7782 you still in Miami?

How about Top10 busts?

mayjay said:

@jayballer73 We played UCLA in the consolation game (3rd) in 1974. IIRC, Bill Walton thought it was dumb to have that game, but played enough to make it not a close contest.

you are exactly right. - -I remember listening to it on the radio - - thought I was the only one old enough to even remember listening to that when they still had that lol

@jhawk7782 Is that Miami Florida... or Miam(a) Oklahoma?

@HighEliteMajor Archie Marshall getting hurt cost us the title that year, because we were the best team until then.

Marco said:

How about Top10 busts?

1) Raquel Welch, 2) Emily Ratajowski, 3) Sofia Vergara, 4) Marilu Henner, 5) Phoebe Cates ... no, wait ...

@dylans Frank Mason?

@HighEliteMajor Marilu Henner? I think not.

@Crimsonorblue22 I wish. I'm up near NYC. I was in the USCG at the time and worked at a few night clubs in the mid to late 80s. I taught school in Hialeah for a couple of years before getting an opportunity I couldn't refuse.

Should have stayed in Miami.

KUSTEVE said:

@HighEliteMajor Marilu Henner? I think not.

Oh I think so. Natural beauty. But I was a Valerie Bertinelli guy too.

@wissox Richard Scott one of my all-time favorite people. Got to work with many of them from ‘90 to ‘96. Ostertag was a genuine character too.

@Kubie Keith Lankford- the forgotten southpaw. We win if he’s not hurt and taken out by poor reffing.

@KUSTEVE Ohio!!

KUSTEVE said:

My all knucklehead team: Tyshawn, Carlton Bragg, Vick...twice, EJ, Cliff Alexander. Who am I missing?

Tyshawn? I thought Tyshawn was great! He could have put up a lot better career numbers if we had connected him with Lucas sooner.... like after his freshman year.

I thought Tyshawn had a very good senior year, once he got coached up properly.

EJ was a sacrificial lamb at KU. Talk about a guy giving himself unselfishly to a program. He's one of my all-time favs at KU because he never really complained about anything. If he had an ounce of prima donna in him he would have transferred.

I'll never forget when he dropped 39 on ISU in their racist arena. I know it impressed the sh*t out of Self. I'm pretty sure he actually teared up at the end of that one.

@Bwag Agree on Richard Scott. Which game are you referring to with Langford hurt and poor officiating?

HighEliteMajor said:

Amazing how our program savior (Andrew Wiggins) isn’t on ANYONE’S list.

And no Josh Jackson. No X. No Selby. No Cliff. No Grimes.

Another that sticks out — No Selden.

Uncle Anthony gets special consideration for being that uncle. Priceless. If Wayne stayed his final year might have been on someone's list

@HighEliteMajor That's so weird - EVERY one of them is on my list.

Of people we should have never recruited.

@drgnslayr You don't think Tyshawn was a knucklehead? How many other players have been suspended for doing the dirty in the field house? Tyshawn was really good for one half of a season- the rest of the time, he was a walking turnover machine. He ended his career on a very high note...playing in the national championship game. He's indelibly etched into my all time knucklehead list.

@BeddieKU23 I hadn't noticed 'the list' before, but to put Selden on there surprises me. He was a 3 year player, came in highly regarded obviously, and came into his own his junior year. He had a lot of really good moments that last season in particular. Selden is getting some decent playing time in the league too which is nice.

@wissox

He did have some very good moments his Jr year. Another year and he might have been a legend to remember. I do think he had that ability in him at the time but he choose the path that was best for him and for that his tenure here was a bit incomplete. Nice to see him sticking around the league. From what I saw of him in the past few years he definitely improved but just falls short of being someone a team makes a priority

For what it's worth - these are the all time KU scoring leaders:

1 Danny Manning ........ 2,951

2 Nick Collison ........2,097

3 Raef LaFrentz ........2,066

4 Clyde Lovellette........ 1,979

5 Sherron Collins .........1,888

6 Frank Mason III.... 1,885

7 Darnell Valentine..... 1821

8 Keith Langford .....1,812

9 Perry Ellis ..... 1,798

10 Paul Pierce ..... 1,768

Oh yeah - Wilt would be at the very top of my list - leading scorer or not.

@nuleafjhawk Dang, Danny just needed 49 points against Oklahoma in the championship game and he'd have scored 3000!

@KUSTEVE

I didn't know your focus was also off the court. Gheez.... you can build a huge list! ha...

TT had his share of turnovers... no doubt. But he wasn't coached up well until Lucas. There wasn't a lot he did really well until then. He's my guy for selling the idea that we need more of our players, especially PGs, going off campus for extra coaching.

There is no way we made it to the title game without TT. And no way we got there without his time with Lucas.

It really wouldn't take much proper coaching to put our team in the FF just about every year. The developed skills in college basketball almost doesn't exist anymore. It's all instant talent.

@drgnslayr Having sex with your girlfriend in the field house is as close to oncourt as it gets...lol. Tyshawn showed great improvement the 2nd half of his senior year. However, he will always be a knucklehead to me for his many t.o.s over his KU career.

... if any of us had the opportunity, while a college student, to do the deed on the court at AFH with the right co-ed, we'd be fools not to engage. Just my opinion.

@HighEliteMajor And if you got caught, you might be referred to as a ...knucklehead...lol.

@KUSTEVE Yes, that getting caught thing separates many in life ...

HighEliteMajor said:

@KUSTEVE Yes, that getting caught thing separates many in life ...

+:hundred_points: !!!

@KUSTEVE

Better book me as a knucklehead. I recall some love interests in AFH. hahahahahaaaaaa

Not sure what the security is like today for AFH. Back in the 70s.. that building was open every single time I wanted in.

Oh yeah.... I never got caught so I'm off the hook!

@drgnslayr and there's that mystery tattoo??

@Crimsonorblue22

Gosh... you remember everything!

Yikes! :hushed_face:

no love for Josh Selby?

HighEliteMajor said:

Marco said:

How about Top10 busts?

1) Raquel Welch, 2) Emily Ratajowski, 3) Sofia Vergara, 4) Marilu Henner, 5) Phoebe Cates ... no, wait ...

Awww, Ms. Cates,,, the Fast Times pool scene.... I remember it well, and actually became Judge Reinhold.

@Marco Kevin Kline became Judge Reinhold.

mayjay said:

@Marco Kevin Kline became Judge Reinhold.

Really, when did Kevin become Judge Reinhold?

Nonstop since he married Phoebe Cates.

Udoka on Dotson

“Last year everything he did was fast, fast,” Azubuike says. “This year he’s seeing the game in a different dimension.”

INTER-DIMENSIONAL POINT GUARD HERE FOLKS.

@BShark ⚡️Hope doke has time to get out of the way! Looks like doke should be able to move better too.

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@BShark ⚡️Hope doke has time to get out of the way! Looks like doke should be able to move better too.

The lightest he has been at KU!

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@BShark ⚡️Hope doke has time to get out of the way! Looks like doke should be able to move better too.

CJ Moore's piece in The Athletic today was really good. Doke is down to 267, apparently he was almost 300 in the spring.

FarmerJayhawk said:

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@BShark ⚡️Hope doke has time to get out of the way! Looks like doke should be able to move better too.

CJ Moore's piece in The Athletic today was really good. Doke is down to 267, apparently he was almost 300 in the spring.

Yeah, everyone that can should read it. That's where the quote came from for anyone wondering.

From the Athletic as well: Azubuike is averaging 74% on his free throws in practice so far. During the off season, Azuibuike, with the help of the staff, converted to an underhanded, Rick Barry-style of shooting from the line. Self said, "The change has been incredible. We keep wondering to ourselves, 'why didn't we do this sooner'?" In fact, Azubuike paraphrased the age-old thoughts attributed to Albert Einstein, "Insanity is doing the same thing, the same way, and hoping things change."

***Sorry, it's all just a dream. I woke up just as I imagined Marcus Garrett shooting the ball like George Gervin instead of my 7th grade neighbor kid.

@HighEliteMajor Thanks for that little disappointment.

I saw the " why didn't we do this sooner " comment and thought - OH, LIKE EVERYONE ON KU BUCKETS HAS BEEN SAYING???

HighEliteMajor said:

From the Athletic as well: Azubuike is averaging 74% on his free throws in practice so far. During the off season, Azuibuike, with the help of the staff, converted to an underhanded, Rick Barry-style of shooting from the line. Self said, "The change has been incredible. We keep wondering to ourselves, 'why didn't we do this sooner'?" In fact, Azubuike paraphrased the age-old thoughts attributed to Albert Einstein, "Insanity is doing the same thing, the same way, and hoping things change."

***Sorry, it's all just a dream. I woke up just as I imagined Marcus Garrett shooting the ball like George Gervin instead of my 7th grade neighbor kid.

only problem is - - BIG DIFERENCE between shooting free throws at practice and in a 2 point high stakes game with crowd going nuts lol - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY