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JUCO Guard/Wing from Kansas City becomes the first 2020 commitment.

Welcome Tyon!

Yes

Credit to Jerrance Howard here. Been the ace recruiter the past few cycles.

Grant-Foster also cited the job assistant coach Jerrance Howard did in building a relationship.
“That relationship is great and it is definitely important," said Grant-Foster. "Me and coach Howard have clicked since day one. I feel like he’s my guy and we can talk about anything. My family loves him and once they met coach Self too they loved him. My little brothers love him too and we feel like he will be a guy I can trust."

In the discussion for top junior college player in the country, Grant-Foster has now landed offers from programs like Arkansas, Georgia, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, LSU, Miami, Oklahoma State, Oregon, SMU, St. John's, Texas and others. He's got size, athleticism and versatility.
"What separates me is my versatility," said Grant-Foster. "I can play multiple positions. Say our big man is in foul trouble i can go down and play the four. If our point guard is in foul trouble I can play the point. I can guard and play multiple positions. I feel I can pass the ball really well too."

BeddieKU23 said:

In the discussion for top junior college player in the country, Grant-Foster has now landed offers from programs like Arkansas, Georgia, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, LSU, Miami, Oklahoma State, Oregon, SMU, St. John's, Texas and others. He's got size, athleticism and versatility.
"What separates me is my versatility," said Grant-Foster. "I can play multiple positions. Say our big man is in foul trouble i can go down and play the four. If our point guard is in foul trouble I can play the point. I can guard and play multiple positions. I feel I can pass the ball really well too."

I feel we just got a very nice addition for sure. - - people well say -- -WELL he is juco, is that what KU is reduced to? - -to which I'll say many many reasons he may have went Juco - - and say will you STILL be saying oh well he is Juco when we play you and he lights you up? lmao - really pleased tp hear this - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

http://www2.kusports.com/weblogs/tale-tait/2019/oct/14/ku-lands-commitment-from-2020-juco-stand/ ↗

Some good stuff in here but something worth noting is that he has two younger brothers that play and are pretty well regarded. Never opposed to a new Jayhawk family. <3

I cannot contain my excitement. Maybe the future generic quote -

September/2020 - “I have decided the program was not a good fit for me. I will continue to pursue a future basketball career. I would like to thank the basketball staff at KU. Most importantly, I would like to thank my family who has supported me through this decision.”

HighEliteMajor said:

I cannot contain my excitement. Maybe the future generic quote -

September/2020 - “I have decided the program was not a good fit for me. I will continue to pursue a future basketball career. I would like to thank the basketball staff at KU. Most importantly, I would like to thank my family who has supported me through this decision.”

you know - - - - that's what I really like about you - - - just always brining a bottle of sunshine - -where do you find it all at lmao = - - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer73

Sure the reasons we get a juco kid this year are well known. He could be one of those late blooming kids that has a chance to prove the stigma wrong. We will have to wait and see. Some good things to like with his tape and hopefully he has a big year in Juco as he is being hyped to have.

I'll root for him, we need bodies and if he sticks around we will see

BeddieKU23 said:

@jayballer73

Sure the reasons we get a juco kid this year are well known. He could be one of those late blooming kids that has a chance to prove the stigma wrong. We will have to wait and see. Some good things to like with his tape and hopefully he has a big year in Juco as he is being hyped to have.

I'll root for him, we need bodies and if he sticks around we will see

I'm glad we got him - - looks pretty nice to me - -pretty fluid

BeddieKU23 said:

@jayballer73

Sure the reasons we get a juco kid this year are well known. He could be one of those late blooming kids that has a chance to prove the stigma wrong. We will have to wait and see. Some good things to like with his tape and hopefully he has a big year in Juco as he is being hyped to have.

I'll root for him, we need bodies and if he sticks around we will see

One question is do we recruit him without the sanctions. Since without the sanctions we likely get Bryce I would say in that case no.

The JUCO he goes to is historically very good and they do not really play FR much.

He's very athletic and his jumper is serviceable. He got to 36% from three in conference play so he was coming along. His goal is 40% this year.

@jayballer73 The guy started five games as a JUCO freshman. It’s just wildly speculative. I don’t get excited about wildly speculative JUCO players.

The good news is Self told him he’s going to fix the NCAA issues. From the kusports.com article below -

As for the looming NCAA allegations against KU, Grant-Foster said he and his family asked about the situation during his visit. What he heard in response from the Kansas coaches put his mind at ease.

“They were totally honest about it,” he said. “Coach Self said he was going to take care of it, and I’m not worried really at all. I just want to hoop.”

HighEliteMajor said:

@jayballer73 The guy started five games as a JUCO freshman. It’s just wildly speculative. I don’t get excited about wildly speculative JUCO players.

The good news is Self told him he’s going to fix the NCAA issues. From the kusports.com article below -

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As for the looming NCAA allegations against KU, Grant-Foster said he and his family asked about the situation during his visit. What he heard in response from the Kansas coaches put his mind at ease.

“They were totally honest about it,” he said. “Coach Self said he was going to take care of it, and I’m not worried really at all. I just want to hoop.”

That program doesn’t really play freshmen or recruit one and dones. Sounds like your kind of place!

Size, handles, some athleticism, feather touch... and perhaps most important, not an overrated OAD we have to baby and deal with a year of distraction and preferential treatment preventing team bonding. Oh... and risk no more NCAA infraction charges.

Yep... I'm totally on board with Tyon!

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

I'll root for him, we need bodies and if he sticks around we will see

One question is do we recruit him without the sanctions. Since without the sanctions we likely get Bryce I would say in that case no.

The JUCO he goes to is historically very good and they do not really play FR much.

He's very athletic and his jumper is serviceable. He got to 36% from three in conference play so he was coming along. His goal is 40% this year.

Of course we don't get a JUCO kid, even one that looks talented enough to translate without the NOA etc.

Agree, Indian Hills has been produced kids that go D-1 for a long time.

Certainly has the athleticism. The versatility looks intriguing. The jumper doesn't look broken and can be tuned in. I think its solid depth to have in the program at minimum since we were very unlikely to sign a Top 100 SG/Wing type with what we are facing as well as the guards we currently have in-house.

Side note: after bypassing a ton of local talent over the years we certainly have plenty now. Either a concerted effort by the staff after some high profile whiffs over the years or necessity from a changing recruiting landscape. Probably a bit of both if I had a guess.

Optimistically Self and Co identified and scouted a player they believe can help them right away in the face of all this uncertainty. Pessimistically we got a JUCO when the standard at KU is far away from that level of play. Tough times but they never last. Hopefully this years film gives us reasons to think there's something there

@BeddieKU23 It seems to me that a move like this is just one of desperation. This is the proverbial pig that we can’t really change by putting on some lipstick.

When have we ever done this? Twice? Appleton? Little? Appleton flamed out and Little way underachieved.

This kid didn’t start but five games at a JUCO. None of the “starters” are heading to any big time programs, are they? Central Michigan, Cleveland St.?

If he’s a stud, great. But on its face, as our first commit, it’s a really bad look. Folks talk about “optics” in recruiting. This one ain’t good.

@BeddieKU23 it's going to be great hearing how Missouri fans didn't want Harris anyway when he's balling out.

Hopefully Tyon does make a jump. With his interest and offers he should at least be a solid bench piece.

HighEliteMajor said:

@BeddieKU23 It seems to me that a move like this is just one of desperation. This is the proverbial pig that we can’t really change by putting on some lipstick.

When have we ever done this? Twice? Appleton? Little? Appleton flamed out and Little way underachieved.

This kid didn’t start but five games at a JUCO. None of the “starters” are heading to any big time programs, are they? Central Michigan, Cleveland St.?

If he’s a stud, great. But on its face, as our first commit, it’s a really bad look. Folks talk about “optics” in recruiting. This one ain’t good.

Here me out.

Jeff Graves was a JUCO KU took as well although that pre-dates Self.

Little, at least was in the rotation at points. Appleton was a bust.

The sample size is obviously very small since KU doesn't have to recruit a JUCO player often. If there is no grey area in that discussion, yes, JUCO's have done nothing for KU under Self. Why should we expect this one to be any different. Moving on.

The optics can be turned around. KU got a 2020 recruit despite facing a uncertain future. Could entice the other two known targets, both Top 150 kids to jump aboard as well. Not disagreeing the optics of getting a JUCO look bad to some? The hard truth is KU can't recruit OAD's, Top 50's, Top 100's with certainty they will not be coming into a crapstorm. What else is there to recruit right now that hasn't already ran away?

Grant-Foster is being evaluated as a 4 star recruit, Top 5 Juco in the Country. Who knows what that will translate too. Could be the equivalent of Mitch Lightfoot or one of the JUCO's over the years that was an outlier . Look at his offer sheet, lots of Power 5 offers, KU wasn't fighting McNeese St for him.

@BeddieKU23 Oh my G**, you just said Jeff Graves. One of my favorite all time Jayhawks. You've hit a weak spot. I'm slowly walking back now. I will trust your temperate rationality. I will slide into a wait and see approach and "trust Self" here. Now, let me put on my Foster Grants and hope the best for Grant Foster (sorry, I had to slide that in).

@HighEliteMajor

After eating a black hole full of Grimes hype coming into last season I'm actually more pessimistic about incoming recruits then ever before.

Somewhere in the middle of why KU recruited a JUCO (out of desperation, necessity) whatever terminology we want to use, there must be something the staff likes right? This is the staff that found Frank Mason & Agbaji. Both players likely were identified as being on the upward trajectory in their development. It seems like Grant-Foster could be one of those that might have something to give at the next level if we trust the staff knows what it's doing here. I honestly don't know but I think its best to stay a bit neutral until we see how his last year at Indian Hills goes. Might be a good topic to backtrack on in the future

BeddieKU23 said:

@HighEliteMajor

After eating a black hole full of Grimes hype coming into last season I'm actually more pessimistic about incoming recruits then ever before.

Somewhere in the middle of why KU recruited a JUCO (out of desperation, necessity) whatever terminology we want to use, there must be something the staff likes right? This is the staff that found Frank Mason & Agbaji. Both players likely were identified as being on the upward trajectory in their development. It seems like Grant-Foster could be one of those that might have something to give at the next level if we trust the staff knows what it's doing here. I honestly don't know but I think its best to stay a bit neutral until we see how his last year at Indian Hills goes. Might be a good topic to backtrack on in the future

I will certainly be following Indian Hills games more than the zero amount I was previously.

It's probably a bit of #LiesToldInRecruiting but Bill was telling him he could get 25 minutes a game. At a minimum we have the minutes Dotson and Moss are playing opening up. If Ochai does leave early that is a ton of minutes available.

@BeddieKU23 @BShark Might be a good season to be on probation. We could seriously lose Dotson, Moss, Doke, Agbaji, DeSousa and Moss. We know we lose the first two.

BeddieKU23 said:

@HighEliteMajor

After eating a black hole full of Grimes hype coming into last season I'm actually more pessimistic about incoming recruits then ever before.

Somewhere in the middle of why KU recruited a JUCO (out of desperation, necessity) whatever terminology we want to use, there must be something the staff likes right? This is the staff that found Frank Mason & Agbaji. Both players likely were identified as being on the upward trajectory in their development. It seems like Grant-Foster could be one of those that might have something to give at the next level if we trust the staff knows what it's doing here. I honestly don't know but I think its best to stay a bit neutral until we see how his last year at Indian Hills goes. Might be a good topic to backtrack on in the future

I have no problem with a Juco player at all - - he help, then hell ya I'm recruiting him

Gotta look on the bright side. Maybe juco kids don't cost as much

@BShark So a serious question for you and I guess anyone. If all the recruits are getting paid, as theorized, how are we still paying recruits (via Adidas or other third parties)? If not, how do we (and other Adidas schools) get any recruits if other shoecos are paying and not Adidas? Or are other shoecos now not paying?

HighEliteMajor said:

@BeddieKU23 @BShark Might be a good season to be on probation. We could seriously lose Dotson, Moss, Doke, Agbaji, DeSousa and Moss. We know we lose the first two.

Yeah a worst case scenario puts the returning scholarship count at 6 or 7.

Garrett (Sr), Lightfoot (R-Sr), McCormack (Jr), Wilson (So), Braun (So), Enaruna (So), Harris (R-Fr). Mitch is still undecided on his plans for this year (at least to media, fans).

De Sousa really isn't on the NBA radar right now. A good year maybe changes that. His Girlfriend is on the softball team so maybe this is a situation like Mason, Graham, Doke where he comes back since his stock going into this year is slim. Overseas is always an option but I think we know what his goal is.

Agbaji, again dependent on his season. Could be a potential 1st round pick this year or one in 2021. Not really getting a ton of hype for this year yet (good for us). ESPN mocked him 2nd round in 2021. He's the type of kid where exposure in March could really change his stock.

If KU somehow returns those two guys now your up to (8 or 9 players overall) 4 starter level players with PG the huge mystery. The behind the scenes talk is they really like Harris.

You have Grant-Foster (Jr) and if we are to assume Gethro Muscadin picks KU on Nov 1st, KU theoretically could have 11 scholarship players (also assuming Mitch takes a red-shirt). Not a bad roster to play with in the face of possible sanctions etc.

KK Robinson seems the main realistic PG option at the moment. Top 100 kid who's playing his final year at Oak Hill. That board will have to expand if they don't land him.

As always a very fluid situation

Doke and Moss are definitely gone and I am including Dotson in that group as well. Ochai and Silvio are wildcards that could both be back. That makes next years team really good still. If the starting line-up is Harris, Ochai, Garrett, Silvio, McCormack I think that is the best case. That starting 5 does have some offensive issues but Silvio wouldn't be coming back to come off the bench and no way SR Garrett doesn't start every damn game. Lots of fire power off the bench with Braun and Wilson. Maybe you have to try running Garrett as the main PG and Harris as the back-up to get another shooter starting the game, I don't know.

I saw this kid play in HS. At the time, he was only probably about 6-3. He was a good enough HS shooter, although he would sometimes try to force jumpers rather than be aggressive to the rim. He was a good FT shooter in HS, which suggests that his shooting stroke will do well. He also has the year of JC under his belt, where he shot well from the perimeter.

He is a big time defender. He can guard smaller guys, or handle bigger guys (and was doing this when he was still in the 6-3 or 6-4 range). He could turn into one of the best defenders on KU's team.

The thing that sticks out most to me on video now is that he goes hard to the rim on the drive. In HS he wouldn't do this nearly as much even though he had the physical tools to do so. The fact that he does that now suggests that he has tapped into his talent in a way that will allow him to take a huge leap forward (he was pretty clearly a D1 type talent in HS, although he wasn't getting hype at the time).

And of course, it's good to see a kid from KCK make it to this level. Congratulations to him. He's a good kid from a good family. I know that his parents are extremely proud.

@justanotherfan Thanks for all the intel here. It sounds like from his comments that Self and the coaching staff really hit it off with his family.

BShark said:

@justanotherfan Thanks for all the intel here. It sounds like from his comments that Self and the coaching staff really hit it off with his family.

He has literally turned into the player I hoped he would become when I watched him in HS. I could not be happier for him and his family.

BShark said:

@justanotherfan Thanks for all the intel here. It sounds like from his comments that Self and the coaching staff really hit it off with his family.

Definitely. Howard shows up to his mom’s office sometimes just to say hello

HighEliteMajor said:

@BShark So a serious question for you and I guess anyone. If all the recruits are getting paid, as theorized, how are we still paying recruits (via Adidas or other third parties)? If not, how do we (and other Adidas schools) get any recruits if other shoecos are paying and not Adidas? Or are other shoecos now not paying?

Nike is definitely still paying (e.g. Scottie Barnes, N’Faly Dante). Adidas too since Washington and Louisville have seen a recent uptick. We’re just not playing in that sandbox. Guys in the area we’re recruiting don’t command that much, so we can compete with that with facilities, coaching, support. From what I gather, we’ve basically exited from Adidas grassroots basketball orbit and are doing things the way they “should” be done.

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2019/oct/15/new-ku-commitment-tyon-grant-foster-close-friends-/ ↗

Muh feelings.

Fun reads.

I must have missed this one.... so will ask... Does Foster have 2 years of eligibility left?

Surely, he will need time to adjust to D1. It would be nice to hear from Self describe a possible Foster role, but I'm not counting on that anytime soon. He's a slice of a large pie that will be coming with all the holes after this year.

Let's say he isn't the next Wiggy. Isn't he, in the least, a tall guard that will help build his teammates at practice? That is the very least. I am just getting used to Foster, but I like what I see. I remain cautious concerning expectations because the footage is against weak players. Still.... he's a tall guard with some ability and a feather touch. That gives reason to smile.

We shouldn't get caught up in how this looks for other recruits in this class. He isn't projected to compete with higher level players, but lets hope he ends up stepping up and competing for real minutes.

drgnslayr said:

Fun reads.

I must have missed this one.... so will ask... Does Foster have 2 years of eligibility left?

Surely, he will need time to adjust to D1. It would be nice to hear from Self describe a possible Foster role, but I'm not counting on that anytime soon. He's a slice of a large pie that will be coming with all the holes after this year.

Let's say he isn't the next Wiggy. Isn't he, in the least, a tall guard that will help build his teammates at practice? That is the very least. I am just getting used to Foster, but I like what I see. I remain cautious concerning expectations because the footage is against weak players. Still.... he's a tall guard with some ability and a feather touch. That gives reason to smile.

We shouldn't get caught up in how this looks for other recruits in this class. He isn't projected to compete with higher level players, but lets hope he ends up stepping up and competing for real minutes.

He is a Sophomore this year

@JAYHAWKFAN214 He is a Sophomore this year, he is just one class up from Braun.

His HS profile for the class of 2018: https://247sports.com/Player/Tyon-Grant-Foster-46093992/high-school-242413/ ↗

So he will have two years left once he gets to KU.

BShark said:

@JAYHAWKFAN214 He is a Sophomore this year, he is just one class up from Braun.

His HS profile for the class of 2018: https://247sports.com/Player/Tyon-Grant-Foster-46093992/high-school-242413/ ↗

So he will have two years left once he gets to KU.

Yes My back

@BShark

I'm interested to see how Garrett does in the complementary role at PG this season. I think its foreshadowing what his Sr year might be. We know Self he's done this in the past with EJ, letting the player he trusts run the team. I can't imagine he'll go into next season trusting a player more then Marcus and even with a redshirt I think you want Harris to learn from Marcus (so that's he's poised as Soph). I can definitely see Marcus being our main PG next season in order to get Braun or Wilson in the starting line up in the scenario that both Agbaji and De Sousa return. One of those guys stepping up into the lineup would solve a lot of spacing and potential offense concerns.

A starting 5 of Garrett, Agbaji, Wilson/Braun, De Sousa & Big Dave is a long and talented team

@BeddieKU23 I have never seen Garrett as a PG. We can call anyone who is the primary ball handler a PG, but that doesn't mean he's really a PG. I'm fine with him being a back up guy (perhaps 8 min per game at PG), if it's absolutely necessary, but not the starter there.

He's not an adept passer -- adequate, but at best average. Not PG guard-like in his deliver of the ball. He seems like a chest passer to me, a guy who struggles to get angles with different styles of passing to create for teammates, and I have not noted an PG like ability to thread the ball through tight spaces. I just don't think the passing skills that are close to what we would want in a PG.

Importantly, he is very slow with the ball. I've mentioned this before, but he's kind of a tail dribbler. The guy who isn't totally confident facing a defender while dribbling the ball. He turns his body so his back is toward the defender or is angled way too often. I don't see him as careless with the ball, but I see him a relatively (compared to every PG we've had since Self has been here) unskilled with the ball. EJ was the least skilled of our PGs in that regard under Self, and I'd rank EJ's ball handling ahead of Garrett quite easily. But it's not like a Wayne Selden, who had no business with the ball in his hands. Different discussion. I don't believe Garrett would be a turnover machine, I just think he'd just be way too methodical, tight to his body, protective, etc. That's just what I've seen.

If we are playing a slow, methodical game. Defense first. Slower pace. That might be where he'd fit. But even in our low scoring days, Self wanted to get out and run when we could. Our low scoring was a result of the arduous process of working the ball around the perimeter repeatedly, and low three pt rates in those days, not the inability of a PG to push the ball. I question Garrett's ability (based on what I've seen the past two seasons) to push the ball with significant pace, as well as his ability to function, face-up, against PG defenders.

Curious if others see what I see.

@HighEliteMajor

Good response.

When looking at next years roster without Dotson where does Self go? Give the keys to the freshman Harris who's red-shirting? Expand Garrett's role? Rely on a unsigned HS kid or transfer? Not great options with the current details we have.

Since Garrett is going to bet the de-facto backup this season its at least a possibility that responsibility could expand into next season. He'll probably have to noticeably improve on many of the details you listed. By Marcus's comments recently he sounded excited to get back to playing the position he played in HS. Defensively Marcus could cause some havoc with his size and skills in harassing ball handlers. Will be something to monitor

I don't think Garrett is a PG either.

Many times people have brought it up. But if he showed any inclination of being an actual PG, he'd have played it at some point. It's not like we haven't had a shortage at that position since he's been here. DG didn't have a backup and neither did Dotson.

Now, if we have to go that route because Harris isn't ready, that's a good question as to how that changes things. Likely, I think it means we would end up speeding up the tempo and try and get as many baskets in transition as possible. This way you don't have to get into a halfcourt game.

Hmmmm... Foster, Braun and Harris have a background together. I'm thrilled and give them the official "jelly doughnut" award!

@Kcmatt7 @HighEliteMajor

I agree he isn't a PG from what I've seen.

Maybe he proves us wrong stepping into a bigger role, a year older and 100% healthy. Freshman year he was up and down, Soph year, some flashes then the injury really cut into his season. I think we have a somewhat incomplete book on what Marcus can do..

If the staff likes Harris as much as the staff claims to be behind the scenes then maybe the PG talk for next year is a nothingburger

@BeddieKU23 Even with Harris running the show we need actual guard depth. If Agbaji doesn't come back (I think he does come back fwiw but it's early) then we are looking at Harris, Braun and Garrett being the only guards on the roster outside of walk-ons. Even with Ochai back we are looking at Braun being the only guard off the bench and one injury would mean walk-on minutes or having to experiment with big guards. Forcing Enaruna or Wilson to play up a position opens up a lot of ball handling issues. Landing KK Robinson would alleviate a lot of problems.

@BShark

Yeah there's definitely concern about depth after this season in the backcourt. I think they can look to the grad transfer market if the NCAA crap isn't resolved by mid-spring. I think they sit in a good position with KK from everything I can see. It's probably a good thing Braun has surprised the staff at this point because I think its critical he gets some burn this season to set him up for a bigger role next season. I know a lot of people think Wilson is more of a 4 but we'll see where he settles in this season. Self may have to go more positionless with his lineup combinations in light of the type of players he's signed lately.

One thing that Self can sell a PG coming in is that he has a track record of playing two PGs at the same time. Harris and KK -- you're my Mason and DG. Or Chalmers and Robinson. Or TT and EJ.

But why would a recruit sign in Nov. with NCAA penalties looming? Missing the tourney one season? Ok. Two seasons? That's a disaster.

I will be very surprised if anything happens with recruiting. But I hope to be surprised.

@HighEliteMajor

I think you will be surprised, a 4 star C will likely sign on Nov 1st and KK Robinson has said all the right things in the media about KU post NOA. They have been up front with recruits.

@BeddieKU23 Self being up front with recruits — I’m not so sure. In fact, it sounds quite misleading.

Here’s what he told Grant-Foster: “They were totally honest about it,” he said. “Coach Self said he was going to take care of it, and I’m not worried really at all. I just want to hoop.”

Here’s what he told Isaiah Todd:

"(Self) just preached that he would be fine and if anything were to happen, that I would be fine. I honestly think that it could turn around and be a positive. If I was to go there, it would show that I really trust him and that he would obviously trust me."

So everything is fine and Self will take care of it. Maybe some of that B.S. will be convincing.

BeddieKU23 said:

@HighEliteMajor

I think you will be surprised, a 4 star C will likely sign on Nov 1st and KK Robinson has said all the right things in the media about KU post NOA. They have been up front with recruits.

very true - - it's good that they are being up front with the guys - - and kids appreciate that - - Not going to surprise me at all if we end up getting Gethro on the 1st - - all signs pointing that way - -and feeling really good about KK too - -As Aaron says people just need to B - -R - -E - -A - -T - -H right? - - I feel exactly like you - -were gonna be all right. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@BeddieKU23 I'm onboard with this juco signing, and say go ahead and sign another one if needed. Like I said a few months back (as long as they are good fits), with all of the NCAA crap surrounding the program they can add skill, experience, depth and class balance - all of which are good things.

@jayballer73 Ditto.

@Marco

In the vacuum of our current mess I think it is what it is. I think most of us will be pleasantly surprised if he turns out to be an important signing. JUCO's at blue blood programs are uncommon and we really have no idea where his actual skill level lies. We can see he has the athleticism to stick and he has great size for the guard/wing position. I'm hopeful he has a big year at Indian Hills and justifies the signing.

In the bigger picture nationally where KU is in the tier with UK/DUKE/UNC etc they are a sinking ship in 2020 recruiting cycle as those schools continue to stockpile talent and separate themselves as the "have's". If Agbaji and De Sousa have big years and leave after the season there will be actual concern what lies next. Is the fanbase really ready for sanctions or a down season? I don't believe so in this day and age

@BeddieKU23 Here's the thing. We better be ready. So let's be ready. I'm all in for a down season in 2020-21 or something not too pretty. I've prepared myself since this time last year when the specter of serious sanctions were a high probability (and that high risk would be obvious to those willing to look at our predicament objectively at that time).

But the important thing, above all, is NOT having more than one season being banned from the tourney. Lose two scholarships, recruiting time limits, Self suspended 15 games, forfeit games DeSousa played in including the FF, one season tourney ban. Fine. But just not two seasons banned from the tourney.

If there is any negotiation that is occurring or being discussed, that should be the focus point. We can deal with one season as a martyr. Two seasons, it's something much different, I think. If it's two seasons, I think it a really high probability Self is gone. We could be looking at a complete change in the nature of our program -- the dreaded above-averageness.

The real question becomes if the NCAA is targeting Self. What might be the bitter pill is if that's the case, Self leaving could lessen sanctions and thus serves the NCAA's goal -- to target the coaches that run the programs that commit violations. Negotiations are about leverage. Self ran this program and this all occurred on his watch. The buck stops solely with him.

HighEliteMajor said:

@BeddieKU23 Here's the thing. We better be ready. So let's be ready. I'm all in for a down season in 2020-21 or something not too pretty. I've prepared myself since this time last year when the specter of serious sanctions were a high probability (and that high risk would be obvious to those willing to look at our predicament objectively at that time).

But the important thing, above all, is NOT having more than one season being banned from the tourney. Lose two scholarships, recruiting time limits, Self suspended 15 games, forfeit games DeSousa played in including the FF, one season tourney ban. Fine. But just not two seasons banned from the tourney.

If there is any negotiation that is occurring or being discussed, that should be the focus point. We can deal with one season as a martyr. Two seasons, it's something much different, I think. If it's two seasons, I think it a really high probability Self is gone. We could be looking at a complete change in the nature of our program -- the dreaded above-averageness.

The real question becomes if the NCAA is targeting Self. What might be the bitter pill is if that's the case, Self leaving could lessen sanctions and thus serves the NCAA's goal -- to target the coaches that run the programs that commit violations. Negotiations are about leverage. Self ran this program and this all occurred on his watch. The buck stops solely with him.

Not that I totally agree - - but yet I agree - -I know crazy right? - -I'm just ready for whatever - - -expecting the worst - -BUT hoping for the best. - -To answer the question you posed - -I guess you did anyways - - is the NCAA targeting Coach Self? - -I think yes they ARE targeting him. - -Does he deserve that? - -possibly/probably IF he is totally 100 % guilty , they may be crazy guidelines or so we think but IF he commited the guidelines/by-laws they have set - -then as the saying goes - - you do the crime - - -you do the time.

I love Self awesome Coach - if things are like they say then like you say Self is the one in charge of this program - - he has to now what's going on at ALL times - what his assistants are doing - - their actions, - -I guess this is where possible lack of control falls right? -We will see , is it going tom take Coach Self stepping down to lessen the sanctions possibly? - -who knows - -would hate to lose him, maybe he just got caught up in the game - trying to quote - - un-quote - - keep up with the Jones's - - I know two wrongs don't make a right - and so yes you are right as much as we don't or some don't want to hear - - -the BUCK does stop with Coach Self - -he is the one in Charge.

Hell IDK how this thing will turn out in the end -- like I said hoping for the vest Scenario - -but expecting the worst. - -I guess the best is or would be like you say if all is proved - - possibly the ONE yr ban from post season and reduction of Scholi's - -for a year -- two years - -I know probably worse , worse case Stripping of the Banners - - Coach forced out and post season ban and reduction of Scholi's - just a bad situation - -time to stand up and be accountable if it's true. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Grant-Foster lit it up with Self in attendance. Was actually better than that super hyped kid that’s committed to Louisville. Think he had like 25

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Outdueld Jay Scrubb too. Good shit.

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FarmerJayhawk said:

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Outdueld Jay Scrubb too. Good shit.

Turns out he can shoot too. Maybe, just maybe, Self knows what he’s doing. 🐦 View Tweet?s=20

Just so hard to believe that Bill is good at player evaluation. /s

I wouldn't crown the guy or Bill Self on this just yet. We wouldn't be in this neighborhood but for your predicament.

He went 9-19 overall and 1-5 from 3 against in his previous game against .... Pratt CC. He's had 7 turnovers in about 50 minutes of play this season. Of course, that's nitpicking and means nothing in reality. Doke looked bad vs. Ft. Hays and that doesn't mean much.

But the praise is just a case of premature coronation is all.

I'm still just thinking he will be a solid bench piece.

Garrett, Thompson, Agbaji, Enaruna, Dave would be a pretty okay starting line-up.

Darren Hancock was a nice Juco player as well. Hopefully this kid is in that Little, Hancock vein and not the Appleton, every other direct from juco player. Looks like Foster has a nice frame if nothing else.

HighEliteMajor said:

I wouldn't crown the guy or Bill Self on this just yet. We wouldn't be in this neighborhood but for your predicament.

He went 9-19 overall and 1-5 from 3 against in his previous game against .... Pratt CC. He's had 7 turnovers in about 50 minutes of play this season. Of course, that's nitpicking and means nothing in reality. Doke looked bad vs. Ft. Hays and that doesn't mean much.

But the praise is just a case of premature coronation is all.

At this level I’m looking for tools and the ability to dominate lesser competition. He definitely has the tools. He’s starting to show he can dominate that level. Then you see what you have when he gets to campus.

FarmerJayhawk said:

HighEliteMajor said:

I wouldn't crown the guy or Bill Self on this just yet. We wouldn't be in this neighborhood but for your predicament.

He went 9-19 overall and 1-5 from 3 against in his previous game against .... Pratt CC. He's had 7 turnovers in about 50 minutes of play this season. Of course, that's nitpicking and means nothing in reality. Doke looked bad vs. Ft. Hays and that doesn't mean much.

But the praise is just a case of premature coronation is all.

At this level I’m looking for tools and the ability to dominate lesser competition. He definitely has the tools. He’s starting to show he can dominate that level. Then you see what you have when he gets to campus.

Sure, makes sense, which is why in my opinion any praise of Self (or the player) now is wildly premature.

Cats in the cradle and all. I’m willing to bet those that are overly critical will regret not enjoying Self’s tenure more in hindsight.

BShark said:

I'm still just thinking he will be a solid bench piece.

Garrett, Thompson, Agbaji, Enaruna, Dave would be a pretty okay starting line-up.

who is your point? - -isn't Bryce a 2 ?

@jayballer73 Marcus

BShark said:

@jayballer73 Marcus

Is he someone we want running point full time ?

Garrett at point 🤔 Tyshawn with a poor shot and less athleticism, but much better decision making abilities. You’d need shooters around him. Does Brannen still have a year of eligibility left? Lol

I have a hard time seeing Bill not playing SR Garrett at the pt. Harris should be a really nice back-up PG. If Harris starts over Garrett that means he is a total badass so I'm good with it either way.

@dylans I don't think it would take too much for Garrett to have a better shot than Tyshawn if his shot has improved. I don't think Tyshawn made a 3 in the whole tourney when we lost to Kentucky in the final.

@approxinfinity Ironically he made 1 against Kentucky. 0-20 in the previous 5 games and he was still a 38% trey shooter that year on an okay volume.

Quote from Bossi

Grant-Foster is still raw, he still needs to get stronger and tighten up his ball handling a bit but in speaking to some of the scouts in attendance, he definitely put himself on the NBA radar and appears to be a legitimate NBA prospect.

As for his more immediate future, Kansas has a big-time wing on the way and a guy who should make an immediate impact on both ends of the floor.

@BShark

Beat me to it. Saw this and seemed appropriate. Seems like he's getting a lot of attention now

Having seen him play in HS, he always had a good looking shot and was a very good athlete, but needed to round out his game. That was what probably kept a lot of P5 schools off him out of HS. He was a wing shooter that didn't have much size (only about 6-3 or 6-4 at the time) and wasn't in a position to be a secondary ball handler, which is a must if you aren't at least 6-5 or 6-6.

Fast forward to now and he's about 3 inches taller and he has improved his ball handling. Like I said in an earlier post, he has basically done everything that he was told he needed to do in order to make himself a P5 player, while also growing a couple of inches. That, I think, speaks to his work ethic and character. He got into the gym and did the work he needed to do in order to be ready to move to the P5 level after a couple of years at JuCo. He took the constructive criticism and the coaching and made the improvements that scouts were looking for. That says more to me than the scouts saying he's hitting 28 footers.

35 points in a comeback win last night. Kid has been locked in.

Found out IHCC has played 4 games so far.

Tyon's cumulative stats: 32/65 shooting, 10/25 from three, 19/30 ft.

Some per game numbers: 23 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.75 spg, .75 bpg.

Not sure how they run offense but he doesn't have many assists and is turning it over three times a game. Definitely looks like a wing player to me.

It's hyperbole season! https://kuathletics.com/local-product-tyon-grant-foster-signs-to-play-at-kansas/ ↗

FarmerJayhawk said:

It's hyperbole season! https://kuathletics.com/local-product-tyon-grant-foster-signs-to-play-at-kansas/ ↗

Was coming here to post this. It's always sunshine during the official statement.

BShark said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

It's hyperbole season! https://kuathletics.com/local-product-tyon-grant-foster-signs-to-play-at-kansas/ ↗

Was coming here to post this. It's always sunshine during the official statement.

What about Bryce and Gethro ? - did anyone hear if they signed today ?

jayballer73 said:

BShark said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

It's hyperbole season! https://kuathletics.com/local-product-tyon-grant-foster-signs-to-play-at-kansas/ ↗

Was coming here to post this. It's always sunshine during the official statement.

What about Bryce and Gethro ? - did anyone hear if they signed today ?

Haven't seen them yet but I don't have any worry they'll be in very soon.

@FarmerJayhawk Rod and Bryce have both stated Bryce is signing early. You would think today but who knows, Bryce is exhausted from the sound of it.

FarmerJayhawk said:

It's hyperbole season! https://kuathletics.com/local-product-tyon-grant-foster-signs-to-play-at-kansas/ ↗

But wait there's more!

"To me, if he was here now, he’d be playing all the minutes now. He’s really a good player. And to think that he just grew up down the street and is just now blowing up like this over the last 12 months is pretty amazing. … What people are saying about him that follow that game are raving about him and deservedly so. He’s a 6-foot-7, long, do-everything guard."

Franny likes him too

Fran Fraschilla
@franfraschilla
Saw @Ty_Youngbull
this summer. He is a big-time recruit for @KUHoops
. Can play all the perimeter positions easily. He’s the offensive equivalent of what Marcus Garrett brings to Jayhawks defense.

BShark said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

It's hyperbole season! https://kuathletics.com/local-product-tyon-grant-foster-signs-to-play-at-kansas/ ↗

But wait there's more!

"To me, if he was here now, he’d be playing all the minutes now. He’s really a good player. And to think that he just grew up down the street and is just now blowing up like this over the last 12 months is pretty amazing. … What people are saying about him that follow that game are raving about him and deservedly so. He’s a 6-foot-7, long, do-everything guard."

what amazes me I question even my intelligence/ knowledge at times - -think I'm just blind to somethings man - - really looking forward to see Tyon next year. - -Like I was saying I don't claim to know everything by far - - - THEN I go to the Phog & read some of the comments, I swear to GOD guys - - that site has turned into a real cluster - - - - , I read like what BShark posted here - -and I think cool sounds pretty sweet. - -Then you see some remarks/comments from poster like this one : - -Oh Tyon will get to play a few minutes here - - a few minutes there - -but DON'T EXPECT MUCH. - -umm hello - -once again I think I'll put my trust in Coach a little more then this poster.

Just like I stated about Latrell on the other end of the spectrum - - -Tyon is rated the # 2 rated Juco in America - - kid has got talent - -I for one am looking forward to watching him - to the contrary of some people YES there are some Juco players that can play - -and play quite well - -Juco players get labeled as not good enough to play at a P-5 School - - not good enough and such -- there are many , many reason why a kid might have to go to a Juco - - doesn't mean he can't play

The Phog has really turned into a Crapper - -a real dumpster fire - - -I think some people gonna be surprised I think he will contribute just fine - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BAY

NBA scouts are giving Tyon a real look. Says a lot.

@BShark 🤮

BShark said:

Franny likes him too

Fran Fraschilla
@franfraschilla
Saw @Ty_Youngbull
this summer. He is a big-time recruit for @KUHoops
. Can play all the perimeter positions easily. He’s the offensive equivalent of what Marcus Garrett brings to Jayhawks defense.

Whoa. High praise! Fran loves him some Garrett.

If you check out the Jayhawk Slant podcast from this week, they had Bossi on to talk about the class. Good segment. But my big takeaway is the thinks Tyon is a future NBA guy

ETA: fast forward through Shay talking. He's a really weird dude.

Big 12 fans may remember Jo Lual Acuil. He played two years at Neosho County Juco. I was upset that KU did not give him much of a look, if any. He went on to start for Baylor and had a pretty damn good two years. I am sure he would have been a great help for us, even if it was in a reserve role. Jo was not as highly rated as Tyon.

Moral of the story: Lets give this kid a chance and see how it works out. Hope it is for the best. You just never know.

I don't think anyone hates this signing. He looks like a stud on film.

Kcmatt7 said:

I don't think anyone hates this signing. He looks like a stud on film.

Bryce is 1A and this kid is 1B for me in terms of excitement. Gethro and Jossell are projects of varying degrees whereas Tyon and Bryce should contribute next year.

BShark said:

Kcmatt7 said:

I don't think anyone hates this signing. He looks like a stud on film.

Bryce is 1A and this kid is 1B for me in terms of excitement. Gethro and Jossell are projects of varying degrees whereas Tyon and Bryce should contribute next year.

Athleticism and buckets.

If Ochai stays... I just don't know how we don't play 4 guards.

I was all set to post an update but it appears they withheld Tyon from their double header this weekend due to his injury in the last game.

https://theathletic.com/1472418/2019/12/20/is-juco-star-tyon-grant-foster-good-enough-for-kansas-one-mans-journey-to-iowa-to-find-out/ ↗

Very good read from CJ Moore here.

BShark said:

https://theathletic.com/1472418/2019/12/20/is-juco-star-tyon-grant-foster-good-enough-for-kansas-one-mans-journey-to-iowa-to-find-out/ ↗

Very good read from CJ Moore here.

Really excited about him. He reminds me some of Garrett but better offensively. Honestly he might challenge Ochai for the starting 3 position

FarmerJayhawk said:

BShark said:

https://theathletic.com/1472418/2019/12/20/is-juco-star-tyon-grant-foster-good-enough-for-kansas-one-mans-journey-to-iowa-to-find-out/ ↗

Very good read from CJ Moore here.

Really excited about him. He reminds me some of Garrett but better offensively. Honestly he might challenge Ochai for the starting 3 position

Or Bill just commits to the 4-guard for good.

@Kcmatt7 I mean... With the roster next year how do you do anything else???! Tristan and Wilson are great fits at the four for it.

Kcmatt7 said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

BShark said:

https://theathletic.com/1472418/2019/12/20/is-juco-star-tyon-grant-foster-good-enough-for-kansas-one-mans-journey-to-iowa-to-find-out/ ↗

Very good read from CJ Moore here.

Really excited about him. He reminds me some of Garrett but better offensively. Honestly he might challenge Ochai for the starting 3 position

Or Bill just commits to the 4-guard for good.

I have Enaruna penciled in at the 4:
Garrett, Thompson, Ochai, Enaruna, Dave

@FarmerJayhawk if Tristan starts to know what the hell to do on D that line-up could be amazing defensively.

BShark said:

@FarmerJayhawk if Tristan starts to know what the hell to do on D that line-up could be amazing defensively.

Lots of depth as well. Harris, Braun, G-F on the perimeter. Wilson, Silvio, and Mitch on the back end. That’s a really great 1-11. Then RS Jossell and Gethro.

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At the game tonight.

Bet he had fun!

FarmerJayhawk said:

BShark said:

@FarmerJayhawk if Tristan starts to know what the hell to do on D that line-up could be amazing defensively.

Lots of depth as well. Harris, Braun, G-F on the perimeter. Wilson, Silvio, and Mitch on the back end. That’s a really great 1-11. Then RS Jossell and Gethro.

there is our boy. - -he had to love that

From Wilt to Manning to G-F

In his last game- 18 pts, 11 boards, (8-14 FG, 1-3 3pt, 1-3 FT). 2 assists, 2 steals, 2 blocks, 6 turnovers.

Last 5 games- 19.4 pts, 10-29 from 3 (34%), 17-21 (FT) 80%, 35-65 (FG) 53%.

Only playing 23 minutes a game (starter) but here's his season averages.

17 pts, 6 boards, 48% FG, 34% 3 (28-81), 67% FT, 2.9 turnovers, 1.9 assists, 1 block, 1 steal.

Why post in this thread if you hate JUCOs, I don't get it.

@BeddieKU23 Thanks, I had been checking his box scores but hadn't for a bit.

@BShark

Getting 17 pts a game in only 23 minutes a game. He's improved leaps and bounds. Turnover numbers are a bit alarming but I'll wait to see him in uniform here. I'm excited to see what he's got, have a feeling Self is right on the money

@BeddieKU23 That's his biggest issue for sure, but he is a great athlete and is tenacious.

Bill is always going to talk up players to the media before he gets them but it still stood out to me that Bill told Tyon there is no reason he can't play 25-30 minutes a game next year during recruiting.

Plus it sure seems that Tyon just loves KU. Don't remember the exact article it was in but his JUCO coach said he basically knew it was over from the first time KU visited because it was just different and Tyon's eyes lit up/bugged out when he saw the KU coaches.

@BShark

Always happy to see when recruits are geeked out to be at KU.

Plans to be OAD (have this on good authority). Also he's a bad bad dude.

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Plans to be OAD (have this on good authority). Also he's a bad bad dude.

Yikes

@BeddieKU23 He's good enough to do it. If he gets big minutes KU will spotlight him well enough.

@BShark

He is talented but I'm going to side with caution here that he's going to take some time. Just from a few games I watched I see a bit of a learning curve for him

@BeddieKU23 said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:

@BShark

He is talented but I'm going to side with caution here that he's going to take some time. Just from a few games I watched I see a bit of a learning curve for him

I agree, that's just "the plan".

@BShark said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:

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@BShark

He is talented but I'm going to side with caution here that he's going to take some time. Just from a few games I watched I see a bit of a learning curve for him

I agree, that's just "the plan".

I wonder if it's ever been done.

It’s amazing to me how many kids come into college with plans that are just non negotiable. Not saying that is the case here but it’s amazing how many kids make awful decisions even with the information spelled out for them.

@BShark the guy is going to be a very good player for us.

I don't see TGF having a big impact next season. He only had 3 games last season where he shot over 50% from the field. He was 27% from 3 and 37% overall. If he shot that poorly against defenses nowhere near what he'll see in the B12, I struggle to see him cracking the rotation next season once Self trims it.

I just don't see him being a significant contributor for KU next year with the depth Self has at the 3 and 4 spots. Ochai, Braun, Enaruna, Lightfoot, and Wilson that are already here are his competition for minutes. I think it's far more likely he would be a factor in 2021-22 and even then, I could see him getting stuck in a logjam.

@Woodrow said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:

it’s amazing how many kids make awful decisions even with the information spelled out for them.

As opposed to all the adults setting good examples for them by making intelligent decisions even with the info spelled out for them!

https://www.businessinsider.com/cruise-ships-shut-out-of-ports-leaving-passengers-uncertain-2020-3 ↗

@Texas-Hawk-10 https://indianhills.prestosports.com/sports/mbkb/2019-20/bios/grant-foster_tyon_nqkj ↗

Those were his fr state when he was injured and barely played. He was a lot better this year.

@BShark said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:

@Texas-Hawk-10 https://indianhills.prestosports.com/sports/mbkb/2019-20/bios/grant-foster_tyon_nqkj ↗

Those were his fr state when he was injured and barely played. He was a lot better this year.

I got you @BShark the guy is going to play well for us, contribute bigtime. He's going to get PT, no doubt.

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@Texas-Hawk-10 https://indianhills.prestosports.com/sports/mbkb/2019-20/bios/grant-foster_tyon_nqkj ↗

Those were his fr state when he was injured and barely played. He was a lot better this year.

I got you @BShark the guy is going to play well for us, contribute bigtime. He's going to get PT, no doubt.

Who does he play over next season? Out of Ochai, Braun, Enaruna, Lightfoot, and Wilson, who does he play ahead of?

@Texas-Hawk-10 I could easily see it with Tristan and Jalen. I'm interested to see how it shakes out we got 11 guys hoping for minutes and Self will play 9 at most, probably 8.

@Texas-Hawk-10 possibly Enaruna or Wilson?I'm assuming Mitch gets minutes but his minutes have a ceiling. Maybe 10-15

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@Texas-Hawk-10 https://indianhills.prestosports.com/sports/mbkb/2019-20/bios/grant-foster_tyon_nqkj ↗

Those were his fr state when he was injured and barely played. He was a lot better this year.

I got you @BShark the guy is going to play well for us, contribute bigtime. He's going to get PT, no doubt.

Who does he play over next season? Out of Ochai, Braun, Enaruna, Lightfoot, and Wilson, who does he play ahead of?

Enaruna, Lightfoot, Wilson. I don’t think Mitch plays that much. He’ll be the third string center (probably under 10 MPG)

@FarmerJayhawk I still think Mitch starts at the 4 next season. That's the primary reason he redshirted this season was because of the available PT next year.

@Texas-Hawk-10 well he gets a free year of college and gets to play on possibly 2 championship contending KU teams. It seems like that's what the kid grew up dreaming of. I don't think not starting next year was a deal breaker to red shirting.

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@Texas-Hawk-10 well he gets a free year of college and gets to play on possibly 2 championship contending KU teams. It seems like that's what the kid grew up dreaming of. I don't think not starting next year was a deal breaker to red shirting.

But Self isn't redshirting someone for their would be senior season to sit them on the bench the following season. Mitch isn't the guy that's going to out up eye popping stats, but he's the garbage man/glue guy on the team next season. He's going to play, and he's going to get 20-25 mpg next season because of all of the intangibles he brings to the table.

If Mitch starts and Bill goes back to two bigs I might have a bonfire with some alumni shirts. Please no, Bill.

Guessing starters will be Thompson, Garrett, Ochai, Braun, and Dave.

Harris, Wilson, Grant-Foster, De Sousa/Mitch see good minutes off the bench. De Sousa/Mitch and Enaruna get small minutes off the bench.

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Those were his fr state when he was injured and barely played. He was a lot better this year.

I got you @BShark the guy is going to play well for us, contribute bigtime. He's going to get PT, no doubt.

Who does he play over next season? Out of Ochai, Braun, Enaruna, Lightfoot, and Wilson, who does he play ahead of?

Enaruna, Lightfoot, Wilson. I don’t think Mitch plays that much. He’ll be the third string center (probably under 10 MPG)

I think Mitch plays more of the range of 13-17 minutes a game, Will play some four.

@BShark said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:

If Mitch starts and Bill goes back to two bigs I might have a bonfire with some alumni shirts. Please no, Bill.

Mitch is a stretch 4 on offense, he's a face up guy that can knock down perimeter shots. Mitch playing the 4 isn't the same as Dave playing the 4.

Mitch has made 10 3-pointers (10/30 = 33.3%) in 1,032 minutes played at Kansas. That's an average of one made 3-pointer every 103 minutes. He's not stretching anything at that rate.

@Texas-Hawk-10 I am definitely taking the under on 20-25 minutes for Mitch. I think Self is perfectly happy having Mitch at practice and on the bench for 2 years instead of 1 regardless of his role in-game.

@approxinfinity said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:

@Texas-Hawk-10 I am definitely taking the under on 20-25 minutes for Mitch. I think Self is perfectly happy having Mitch at practice and on the bench for 2 years instead of 1 regardless of his role in-game.

Self didn't redshirt Mitch to sit him next year. If that's Self's plan, then what was the purpose of redshirting him this year? If that's the idea, then that's a total waste of a scholarship this season when Self could've used it on another player. Self redshirted Mitch to play him this season.

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:

Mitch has made 10 3-pointers (10/30 = 33.3%) in 1,032 minutes played at Kansas. That's an average of one made 3-pointer every 103 minutes. He's not stretching anything at that rate.

The year you might want to focus on is 2017-18 when Mitch played the 4. The other two years, he was primarily at the 5 because of Doke's injuries. He played away from the basket where he had his highest PER, highest offensive rebound rate, and highest block rate, and also his minutes per game and best shooting season.

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Mitch has made 10 3-pointers (10/30 = 33.3%) in 1,032 minutes played at Kansas. That's an average of one made 3-pointer every 103 minutes. He's not stretching anything at that rate.

The year you might want to focus on is 2017-18 when Mitch played the 4. The other two years, he was primarily at the 5 because of Doke's injuries. He played away from the basket where he had his highest PER, highest offensive rebound rate, and highest block rate, and also his minutes per game and best shooting season.

Mitch played almost exclusively at the 5 in 17-18, backing up Doke. Only other big on the roster was Silvio and he didn’t play hardly at all until the regular season was about over.

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@Texas-Hawk-10 I am definitely taking the under on 20-25 minutes for Mitch. I think Self is perfectly happy having Mitch at practice and on the bench for 2 years instead of 1 regardless of his role in-game.

Self didn't redshirt Mitch to sit him next year. If that's Self's plan, then what was the purpose of redshirting him this year? If that's the idea, then that's a total waste of a scholarship this season when Self could've used it on another player. Self redshirted Mitch to play him this season.

I disagree. With 13 scholarships and a rotation typically of max 8, Self can spend a scholarship on a quality character that makes the team better. Look at our chemistry this year. Outstanding. Mitch I'm sure played a part.

Dang you guys are getting me excited for next year!

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:

Guessing starters will be Thompson, Garrett, Ochai, Braun, and Dave.

Harris, Wilson, Grant-Foster, De Sousa/Mitch see good minutes off the bench. De Sousa/Mitch and Enaruna get small minutes off the bench.

Bingo. That's how I see it and that's the most logical lineup.

4 of those guys played big minutes on the team this year. The key will be getting Thompson comfortable in a big role.

Mitch looked solid in preseason this year. We know what he brings. If he can shoot more consistently with all the time to work on things like that I see him having a role. Self is going to need someone who can protect the basket and take charges and he is that guy

@BeddieKU23 he will play for sure. But unless he has a 3 gun or plays significantly better defense than Tristan, Jalen (or Tyon?) I'm assuming they will get the nod over Mitch in must win situations. I can see Mitch starting the season as a starter, but Im not sure he will finish it as one.

@approxinfinity Tristan didn't play defense, and Jalen has comparable athleticism to Ellis so he's going to be a subpar defender as well.

Mitch is the best defensive post player KU will have next season. McCormack is not a strong defender. Mitch is also the best help defender Self has ever had in the paint. Mitch will play 20-25 minutes per game next season. On offense, he's going to be the guy setting screens and doing all of the dirty work on offense for KU. He's going to fill a role that's needed next season that wasn't needed this year because of how dominant Doke was.

I think starters will be garret pg, Thompson sg, ochai sf, lightfoot pf, McCormick center... When lightfoot is out, we will play 4 guards with a combination of braun, wilson, tristian, foster. Depending on who plays well. Silvio plays back up center minutes. Maybe a few minutes from Harris at pg.... I think Latrell and gethro redshirt.

How many games will BD foul out?

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:

How many games will BD foul out?

Under 5. Dave averages under 5 fouls per game so he knows how to play without fouling. His issues on that end are going to be that he's a bad rebounder for his size. He only gets 18.5% defensive rebounds, and he doesn't block shots, only a 3.3% block rate last season.

@Crimsonorblue22 a lot if he doesn’t change his ways. Some in mere minutes. Lol he’s a spaz

@Texas-Hawk-10 if he averaged over 5 a game that would be impressive! Rules and all...

Dave is likely going to improve and get some slack from the refs. I think more than anything we need Mitch as a back-up 5.

@dylans said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:

@Texas-Hawk-10 if he averaged over 5 a game that would be impressive! Rules and all...

Since that number is based on per 40 minutes, you can average over 5 per 40 minutes, but nice try.

@BShark said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:

Dave is likely going to improve and get some slack from the refs. I think more than anything we need Mitch as a back-up 5.

The back up 5 is going to be Silvio because he is the best rebounder of the group of bigs KU will have next season.

@Texas-Hawk-10 think we will need all three at some point.

@BShark said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:

@Texas-Hawk-10 think we will need all three at some point.

We will, but I think most of Mitch's minutes are going to come at the 4 spot next season. I think the only time he plays the 5 is when Self goes really small or both Dave and Silvio get in foul trouble.

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@dylans said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:

@Texas-Hawk-10 if he averaged over 5 a game that would be impressive! Rules and all...

Since that number is based on per 40 minutes, you can average over 5 per 40 minutes, but nice try.

Oh, you didn’t clarify you were talking about his fouls per 40 minutes. That’s a different thing than an average. His average for fouls is 1.7 byw

4.7 fouls per 40 minutes is...umm not good.

@dylans said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:

@dylans said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:

@Texas-Hawk-10 if he averaged over 5 a game that would be impressive! Rules and all...

Since that number is based on per 40 minutes, you can average over 5 per 40 minutes, but nice try.

Oh, you didn’t clarify you were talking about his fouls per 40 minutes. That’s a different thing than an average. His average for fouls is 1.7 byw

4.7 fouls per 40 minutes is...umm not good.

Sub 5 fouls per 40 minutes is actually good for a big man. Doke averaged over 5 fouls per 40 minutes until this season, Mitch was over 6 fouls per 40 minutes in his first 3 seasons, and Silvio's small sample size is at 8 fouls per 40 minutes. Dave knows how to play defense without fouling.

@Texas-Hawk-10 as evidenced by fouling out in 4 minutes. Lol he’s getting better, but his arms are wild. I hope he can be consistently available down the stretch.

@Texas-Hawk-10 Based on what I've seen (the guy can play) so far, he will play ahead of Enaruna, and steal some minutes from others - Ochai and Mitch - as well.

Townsend had this to say...

“A great, long wing that can score and pass. Good shooter. The NBA is already looking at him if that tells you anything. He is that good of a player. He’s the No. 1 junior college player in the country. I think he will come in and be an impact guy from Day 1, but a long, athletic wing that can shoot it. Jerrance Howard did an unbelievable job recruiting him and then obviously because his family is right here in Kansas City, they’ll get to see him play, which was, you know, real helpful and a real plus for us.”

Does he start?

I don’t see him starting unless we start 4 guards and I don’t see that happening. I think self will start lightfoot. Thompson, garret, ochai will be the guards and McCormick the center

Not sure who starts but I think we play 4 smalls most of the time. Really we don’t have two bigs capable of playing starter minutes unless Silvio figures out how to basketball.

@FarmerJayhawk said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:

Not sure who starts but I think we play 4 smalls most of the time. Really we don’t have two bigs capable of playing starter minutes unless Silvio figures out how to basketball.

Yeah and then the entire math changes if you want to go two bigs because you need capable back-ups as well.

Just look at 2008. Sasha was the third big and got over 700 minutes. Cole in a reserve role got over 300 minutes and about 8 a game (appearing in every game, too). I look at next years roster and I don't see how you make something like that work. Two bigs just can't happen.

I don’t think two bigs will be a big part of the plan, but I’ll bet Mitch plays the 4 next to Dave several minutes a game...assuming there’s basketball next season.

My guess right now for starters next season (assuming Dotson leaves) is Thompson, Garrett, Agbaji, Braun, Dave. TGF is obviously going to play next season based on that statement from Townsend. Does anyone think he'll start ahead of Braun or any of the other projected starters?

@dylans said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:

I don’t think two bigs will be a big part of the plan, but I’ll bet Mitch plays the 4 next to Dave several minutes a game...assuming there’s basketball next season.

I'm thinking there will be. The worst is still coming, but we should be on the downtick by then...

We will see what self does. I think we play 2 big guys only with lightfoot in and the rest of the time play 4 guards. It really just comes down to if lightfoot becomes a starter or not

I'm anxious to see lt🦶 Play.

@jayhawks2010 - I agree, Lightfoot will play a minimum of 15 -20 minutes if only for defense & rim protection. Depending on his offensive improvement I'm hoping it's over 25 minutes. McCormack is not a great defensive center, we will need the combo of Lightfoot and McCormack to be competitive.

@KUJayhawks67 still worry about big Dave's fouls!

When I look at Mitch's per 40 numbers I find it hard to believe he is suddenly going to produce on offense.

@Crimsonorblue22 looking at them in a whole, his fouls actually aren't that big of an issue. Of course it's easy to remember the absurd moments because they stick out.

I'm not expecting a lot from Mitch but if he can efficiently make 1-2 (3's) per game and make the defense guard him they can play both the High-Low and the 4 Out offense with him on the floor. The key is to bring his defense to the floor without being a liability on Offense.

@BShark said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:

When I look at Mitch's per 40 numbers I find it hard to believe he is suddenly going to produce on offense.

@Crimsonorblue22 looking at them in a whole, his fouls actually aren't that big of an issue. Of course it's easy to remember the absurd moments because they stick out.

While looking at Mitch's numbers , you also have to realize those minutes are going to go up - -he numbers will be going up. I'm look some where about 8 points per game. - I'm sure during his Red shirt Mitch has put in time on his outside shooting and such I think he will be fine - nothing monsterous but don't think he will need to be. & again wit the rim protection he brings will be good to go.

The thing with Mitch and find it pretty incredible actually, is how many times he might have got beaten on the defensive end and yet been able to recover and slap the ball away in time, pretty fast recovery time. I like Mitch a lot because another typical case of a kid that's not afraid to do the dirty work , get on the floor for loose balls - - take the charge whatever is needed - -I love those types of kids.

@jayballer73 per 40 numbers are what his numbers extrapolate to if he were to play all 40 minutes a game. He is below average on offense which is a concern but is an elite shot blocker and good team defender.

I think he has a role but it is one best served playing 10-15 minutes a game.

@KirkIsMyHinrich I think he will.

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:

My guess right now for starters next season (assuming Dotson leaves) is Thompson, Garrett, Agbaji, Braun, Dave. TGF is obviously going to play next season based on that statement from Townsend. Does anyone think he'll start ahead of Braun or any of the other projected starters?

You know me, all in on Braun. Question though, could he perhaps supplant Agbaji? Probably not. I know that coach doesn't like to bench starters.

@BShark

Impressive tape.

He is the wildcard to next years team offensively. You add that type of size, athleticism, shooting & skill and he has a great chance to impact the team despite his JUCO label. He has skills that translate no matter where he's playing. The rebounding, ball handling skills & rim protection were some things I hadn't seen in his other film or live games. Definitely a talent.

@BeddieKU23 said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:

@BShark

Impressive tape.

He is the wildcard to next years team offensively. You add that type of size, athleticism, shooting & skill and he has a great chance to impact the team despite his JUCO label. He has skills that translate no matter where he's playing. The rebounding, ball handling skills & rim protection were some things I hadn't seen in his other film or live games. Definitely a talent.

I like his ability to get to the hoop. Whew.

But as you mentioned the stuff near the end of the video is why he will get playing time imo. Flying in for blocks and aggressively fighting for rebounds. If that is consistent he will find the floor.

@BShark

Yeah the play-making ability was much improved and some clean handles will get him playing time here. There is a definite scoring role he can take on next to some of these guys.

Honestly his tape was of a High 4-Star type kid. If he defends and meshes with the hard nosed chemistry of this team he'll have a big role here.

@BShark I think he could be the 6th man on next years team. They have a chance to be much improved offensively. Probably a push in the rebounding but defensive will be a question mark.

With his size and length I could see him starting at the 4 by the end of the year in a Josh Jackson type role. He's not Josh, but is similar stylistically.

People should also realize he only played 24 minutes a game this year. Indian Hills used a platoon style a lot.

Kid averaged 16ppg, 6.5 Reb, 1 stl, 1.6 ast, 1.5 blk playing Isiah Moss minutes comparably. Got to the line 151 times. Intriguing kid to say the least

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This certainly has the making of a Frank/Devonte rise from nothin. From Juco to KU star?? Not impossible

@BeddieKU23 could happen. Like you said IHCC plays more platoon style. We know Bill is the opposite lately and will play his best guys heavy minutes.

As I said before, I saw this kid play as a junior in HS. At the time, he was between 6-2 and 6-3. He had the makings of a good jumpshot, was a very capable HS defender (could defend anyone on the floor at the HS level, except the biggest post players). At the time he was not being recruited very heavily, but in my eye he was a clear D1 player.

He had two areas he had to improve on. One was ball handling. He was strictly a jumpshooter. If his shot wasn't falling, he was fairly easy to neutralize, even though he was a superior athlete. The second was approach. He was simply too young at the time to understand how to consistently attack opponents and understand what opposing coaches were trying to do to take him out of his game.

I'll cut right to the chase. He has done both, and has grown 4 inches to boot.

And the thing about him that will separate him from a lot of other guys is the fact that he didn't become this kind of player at 14 or 15, where he has known his whole life that he would be playing at the D1 level. He earned every single second of time in HS, at JUCO and now the chance to play at KU. The reason Tyon Grant Foster is coming to KU is because he worked his tail off for the last three years. The reason he played at JUCO is because he worked his tail off.

My experience with guys that had to work that hard to get anywhere is that once they get there, they keep working because it was never promised to them in the first place. And he's a Kansas kid on top of that.

@justanotherfan I like that

https://open.spotify.com/episode/7zioI8Mo2R1LGBo9ZQuozt?si=tTZcgHzKR9OHfil4gjZZuw ↗

Plona starts talking about Tyon at around 57 minutes. Lines up with what @justanotherfan mentioned on Tyon.

Lots of good stuff about JUCO ball in general, lots of stigmas they have to try and break as @Crimsonorblue22 knows.

https://247sports.com/college/kansas/board/103719/Contents/ku-basketballs-tyon-grantfoster-picks-number-to-honor-brother-147208162/ ↗

@FarmerJayhawk said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:

With his size and length I could see him starting at the 4 by the end of the year in a Josh Jackson type role. He's not Josh, but is similar stylistically.

I could see that too. Think that he will. So, with who we have coming in not only this but also next season how long will it be before Wilson transfers?

@BShark said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:

@BeddieKU23 could happen. Like you said IHCC plays more platoon style. We know Bill is the opposite lately and will play his best guys heavy minutes.

Though, and for good reason, he is saying that he'll play more guys this year. We are so deep with wings it isn't even funny. Similar to the Duke team that Butler that year?

@Marco said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:

@BShark said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:

@BeddieKU23 could happen. Like you said IHCC plays more platoon style. We know Bill is the opposite lately and will play his best guys heavy minutes.

Though, and for good reason, he is saying that he'll play more guys this year. We are so deep with wings it isn't even funny. Similar to the Duke team that Butler that year?

Bill says that every year and every year he ends up with a 7-8 man rotation by the time conference starts.

How many minutes does someone need to play to be considered part of the rotation? If we put it at 300 then here is the breakdown (team listed, then number of players over the 300 minute threshold).

05-06 9

07-08 9

10-11 10

14-15 9 (almost 10 but a weird situation where we had to quit playing Cliff)

15-16 9

18-19 10 (Vick being kicked off the team jumped this from 9 to 10, so really it is 9)

Any team not listed was 8 or less.

I feel like 300 is around the right mark, typically the players in that range appeared most if not all games.

So 6 out of 17 years and two of those times there were pretty extenuating circumstances.

@Marco said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:

@FarmerJayhawk said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:

With his size and length I could see him starting at the 4 by the end of the year in a Josh Jackson type role. He's not Josh, but is similar stylistically.

I could see that too. Think that he will. So, with who we have coming in not only this but also next season how long will it be before Wilson transfers?

Wilson isn't going anywhere, I think some believe he will be very limited - -I however feel he is going to be a guy that see's at least 10 minutes per game

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@BShark cool!

I don't think Self is predictable like he used to be... and that is a great thing! He has opened his mind and changed his philosophy to deal with the players he has, and for the most part, tries to give minutes to players that belong on the floor, regardless of where they fit in a traditional cubbyhole approach. By watching Self shift over to attempt to play to his strengths (on the team) he has really kept me closer to Kansas basketball. You can't nap on this coach like perhaps you used to be able to do.

Body wise he looks like our most likely NBA player on the current roster. It would be wise to try and work him into the regular rotation. He has a pro career somewhere, for sure.

His favorite thing is blocking shots!🏆

Nice to see him step up. First game he has started to look comfortable

Wasn't he dealing with any injury for most of the summer, early fall. This could explain the lag?

@AsadZ

He had an ankle injury I believe in preseason so yeah he was definitely behind and not at full speed

Heyyyy TGF we ❤️ U

He settled in!

That's the 2nd game this season Tyon has had a large impact on the final score.

This was a great game for him. He had 1 or 2 horrible passes but overall he did great! I wonder what he did in practice to be sidelined for the last few games.

@rockchalkwyo

The same game that Bryce broke his finger, Self reported Tyon had a shoulder issue.

In the previous however many games, Tyon comes in the game and jacks up outside jumpers that haven't pissed in an ocean. Yesterday you saw him for the most part pump faking for a drive or making the extra pass. Seems like he was told to lay off the broken jumper. He shows glimpses- rebounds/rim protection & athletic drives that this lineup desperately needs. Post game it sounds like his practice habits have improved. His PT is one to monitor as Wilson & Enaruna gave a fat zero yesterday

Amazing how many offensive throw boards we got. 3? Tyon helped there a lot

@rockchalkwyo I think it was what tyon did in the games that sidelined him.

I knew that the dude could play.