Think Penny Hardaway helping family move to Memphis- -Local Sports said NCAA said Hardaway has been declared a Booster - Helping move Wiseman in 2018 - -story on ESPN also - -Wiseman is out for this year anyways at Memphis - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
The NCAA is such trash.
He got a lot more than help moving. Looks like Memphis is Nikeās fall guy.
Yea, I donāt feel bad for him in this case. There is no doubt he got tons of money from Penny. There have been rumors floating around about this for months.
Just heard that Penny and Wiseman are in a Federal Courthouse right now trying to get an temporary injunction on this. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
BShark said:
@Woodrow Eh, kids that want to play in college should be able to. NCAA needs to get a grip before doing what RJ did becomes the norm. If the NBA gets soccer style academies going like they want that will be the end of it anyway.
Well if this sticks - -Wiseman NBA lottery anyways soo this is just really another case - -won't hurt the kid - - just the School
@jayballer73 Looks like Penny found a friendly judge.
Memphis just got a temporary "emergency" restraining order to let Wiseman play tonight.
@jayballer73 it hurts him in that he can't play basketball on a big stage this year. Just sucks all around imo.
Wouldāve helped Selbyās draft stock.
nwhawkfan said:
@jayballer73 Looks like Penny found a friendly judge.
Memphis just got a temporary "emergency" restraining order to let Wiseman play tonight.
what a surprise - -actually NO ONE is surprised
jayballer73 said:
nwhawkfan said:
@jayballer73 Looks like Penny found a friendly judge.
Memphis just got a temporary "emergency" restraining order to let Wiseman play tonight.
what a surprise - -actually NO ONE is surprised
Wish Bill could've found one for Silvio last year.
@jayballer73 Iām surprised
@nwhawkfan we played nice instead. Memphis has their middle fingers in the air.
Well Wiseman & Memphis is on ESPNU right now. - -Tipping off. right now. - - - Just 37 minutes after declared in-eligible - got his emergency injunction from local judge lol - now starting lmao
Proof that the rules dont apply to all
The announcer saying that this is a joke - -Penny helped Wiseman and High School Coach move two years ago - - saying there was no way that Penny knew he was going to be the Coach at that time or that Wiseman would end up there - - lmao.
Penny paid for food and expenses 2 years ago - they trying to pull the line of crap saying penny wasn't even the coach of Memphis 2 years ago - -had no idea that he would be. 1,0000 of dollars they said - -talking about this rule needs changed - -an changed now - -talking saying look we have Coach's out there right now blatently with wire tap paying guys and nothing - yet Wiseman get ruled in-eligible immediately - not right roflmao.
Memphis just killin these guys - -BUT that team is also missing 4 of it's major players - -one hurt - - one team violation - -can't remember the other two
Boogie Ellis for Memphis 18 points - -6 - -three pointers in the 1 st half -- Wiseman 5 blocks in the 1st half 6 rebounds.
Got a question soooo, they got temp injunction from Local Judge - -hmmm wonder if Judge is big Memphis fan lmao/Booster/ lmao ? - But I wonder if in the end they find that Penny was a Booster - -and makes Wiseman in-eligible - - do they have to forfeit games he played in an face sanctions?
I amshocked a judge in Memphis sided with the local university
The NCAA isnāt pulling any punches. Gave Memphis a warning shot. Theyāll unload the cannons on Memphis if the court allows.
FarmerJayhawk said:
The NCAA isnāt pulling any punches. Gave Memphis a warning shot. Theyāll unload the cannons on Memphis if the court allows.
Exactly. - - -The NCAA just released it's statement. - - NCAA saying Memphis was notified that James Wiseman maybe in-eligible ,Memphis chose to play Wiseman it was stated. - -Memphis is being held responsible for making sure Student athletics are eligible - -LOOK THE HELL OUT
Hmm...... obviously Hardaway was a booster because he donated money to athletics before that. And he provided moving expenses afterward. What in the world???
Gorilla72 said:
Hmm...... obviously Hardaway was a booster because he donated money to athletics before that. And he provided moving expenses afterward. What in the world???
they gonna try and come out and say - - Penny wasn't even the Coach at Memphis when he helped them move - - -he was still high school coach
Disregarding NCAA concerns about Rose cost Memphis their F4 appearance and the rest of their wins in 2008.
Short memories on that campus?
@jayballer73 Yeah, and the NCAA will no like, bet on that. Goodbye Penny..!
mayjay said:
Disregarding NCAA concerns about Rose cost Memphis their F4 appearance and the rest of their wins in 2008.
Short memories on that campus?
NOW who's got a "lack of institutional control?"
Memphis showing middle finger to NCAA, "Come Get Us"
AsadZ said:
Memphis showing middle finger to NCAA, "Come Get Us"
And -- they will
Regardless of the court ruling on the restraining order, Memphis had a choice as to whether to play him as is always the case with any player, whether ruled eligible or not. Memphis is still responsible for playing him (to the NCAA). The judge can't force Memphis to play him.
From ESPN, "The NCAA issued a statement Friday night in response to Wiseman's appearance in the game, saying, 'The University of Memphis was notified that James Wiseman is likely ineligible. The university chose to play him and ultimately is responsible for ensuring its student-athletes are eligible to play.' "
Clearly Hardaway was a booster. The issue though, and I think this is important to remember, the NCAA was not made aware of this issue when it made its initial eligibility determination. My guess is that if they were up front about the assistance, it might have been a different discussion.
It seems nuts to me. Isn't Memphis risking their season X'd from the books? I see Penny and Memphis being a short relationship and then we will be back in Memphis snagging talent again.
Wiseman is ineligible and will be held out until resolved.
KU eligibility issues- resolved in 6 to 12 months
Nike eligibility issues (including the #1 recruit/potential 2020 1st pick in NBA draft)- resolved in 24 hours.
How accurate will this be?
BeddieKU23 said:
Wiseman is ineligible and will be held out until resolved.
Wait ? what ? - -Wiseman just played. - - - Again against Oregon
@jayballer73 came out late this morning that Memphis ruled him ineligible and is holding him out until there is ruling from the NCAA
BeddieKU23 said:
KU eligibility issues- resolved in 6 to 12 months
Nike eligibility issues (including the #1 recruit/potential 2020 1st pick in NBA draft)- resolved in 24 hours.
How accurate will this be?
I think you're way off here. I think it will take them at least 72 hours on Wiseman.:grimacing_face:
They are talking a 9 game suspension for Wiseman. Penny gave Memphis $1,000,000 for a building and he doesnāt think heās a booster. š¤¦āāļø Why exactly did Silvio get 2 years?!? Itās not like Memphis has been more cooperative than Kansas with the ncaa. Crazy inconsistencies with the NCAA. Idk Maybe the speculation is wrong.
Woodrow said:
@jayballer73 came out late this morning that Memphis ruled him ineligible and is holding him out until there is ruling from the NCAA
finally understanding that they are just trying to save their ass from the NCAA
@mayjay Yeah, itās no good. But to me it would seemingly be worse if your coach is the one to hand out the cash. And then to play the player a couple more games before sitting him is really disrespectful. Iāll save future indignation until the punishment is handed down. š
Not playing for Memphis today.
Woodrow said:
@jayballer73 came out late this morning that Memphis ruled him ineligible and is holding him out until there is ruling from the NCAA
It doesn't matter, the damage is done. Pretty stupid of them to play a guy who was ruled ineligible - they will pay dearly for it.
Coach needs to be punished and not the player.
Guess Penny is realizing about now that heās not Coach K.
So he is officially suspended for 12 games having already sat 1, he has 11 to go. He also is ordered to pay $11,000 to charities. Very interesting to say the least, NIKE pulls strings with the NCAA again.
No one is surprised this was taken care of quickly.
Free SILVIO
The NCAA is realizing that their stranglehold of control on basketball talent is starting to slip away, and if they don't update their rules fairly quickly, they will be rendered irrelevant, and ultimately, broke.
Remember, while conferences get money from football, the NCAA does not. They are almost entirely dependent on men's basketball for revenue (makes up between 85% and 90% of total revenue). Put simply, if the NCAA tournament is devalued in any way, the NCAA loses a large chunk of their overall revenue because the men's tournament is worth so much to them.
Beware of the basketball academies coming after 2022. That could be the final nail.
So does he come up w/the š°?
Crimsonorblue22 said:
So does he come up w/the š°?
Nike š my question exactly. Howās a kid who canāt work supposed to come up with $11,500 in a months time?!?
He apparently has to have it all paid back by his last game. So, parsing the detail, if he didn't pay the whole thing, the only game he would get excluded from is the NC game because otherwise, how would they know what is his last game? Maybe I read that wrong. It has to be spread over the season, but there is no guideline on how much is paid at a particular time. He could pay $10 here, $20 there, etc.
"According to the NCAA's repayment guidelines, 'Payment may be spread throughout the duration of a student-athlete's eligibility, but must be completed prior to the student-athlete's last regular season date of competition or contest'."
Also, it's kind of funny how the "F" the NCAA stance has somehow resulted in this. Where was the dramatic court involvement to tell the NCAA their business?
What amazes me is the talking heads donāt see how Penny was a booster. Lol. Dude had already given them $1million for a building project. Not to mention heās now their head coach.
The way this went down Bill should just pay to relocate all the top high school talent to Lawrence. Then he could have a Calipari/Coach K type recruiting class for the second semester.
... and, of course, he happened to attend college there. Sometimes folks want something to be true because the dislike or disagree with something. That infects all logical discussions on NCAA related matters. The NCAA is the enemy, their rules are stupid, and thus (as with our NCAA issues), it's stupid or wrong to say Penny (or Gassnola in our case) is a booster. Reading the rule, well, that leads to a different conclusion.
Comparing this to the Silvio situation makes my head hurt. Such an obvious double standard.
@ajvan The facts are definitely different. Here's a way to look at it. I like the terms passive and active.
Wiseman's case was a passive rules violation. Something that involved improper benefits. Same as, for example, Selby or Jackson. Where our guys were treated the same way.
DeSousa was an active rules violation. We pay you as part of recruiting to cause you to play basketball at KU. That always gets a bigger penalty.
Not saying that the explanation is something we like to hear, but that's a way to distinguish. And clearly the NCAA treats those circumstances differently.
@HighEliteMajor I find the distinction pretty blurry, maybe because I'm not taking the time to parse the definitions involved ("booster," etc). What irritates me more is how the Wiseman judgment happened in a matter of days while Silvio had to wait months.
ajvan said:
@HighEliteMajor I find the distinction pretty blurry, maybe because I'm not taking the time to parse the definitions involved ("booster," etc). What irritates me more is how the Wiseman judgment happened in a matter of days while Silvio had to wait months.
Itās blurry because the NCAA doesnāt differentiate in its own bylaws or penalty schedule. There is no distinction. Period. The NCAA just makes it up as they go. So Wiseman has until April to pay back $11k while not permitted to make any money and maintain eligibility. I donāt know what his mom does for a living but I doubt sheās got that kind of cash just laying around.
I moved from KS to WY for a whopping $200. They must have a lot of stuff to make a move cost $11,000.
I get SDS was paid to play but how is paying Wiseman to move not a recruiting tool, quid pro quo?
@FarmerJayhawk Again, I don't think our NCAA venom is entirely well placed. The suspension for Wiseman was relatively predictable. See Bilas' comments before the suspension was released. We've seen guys get suspensions based on the improper benefits, and that it's based on the amount received. The NCAA always requires payback. And if you review the terms, it's very flexible, almost permitting him to skate on some of it.
@ajvan The reason, I think, is because of the facts with Wiseman were well developed and known. When there is more info to be added, investigated, etc., that takes more time. Silvio situation was less than clear with all the denials and b.s. out there. Same with Preston. Wiseman, there were no real denials of what took place if I understood it right. The issue was just what would occur because of it. But I'm not defending the time delays.
However, the ridiculous delays we saw with the NCAA in some of our cases -- Diallo sticks out to me -- were really a joke.
FarmerJayhawk said:
ajvan said:
@HighEliteMajor I find the distinction pretty blurry, maybe because I'm not taking the time to parse the definitions involved ("booster," etc). What irritates me more is how the Wiseman judgment happened in a matter of days while Silvio had to wait months.
Itās blurry because the NCAA doesnāt differentiate in its own bylaws or penalty schedule. There is no distinction. Period. The NCAA just makes it up as they go. So Wiseman has until April to pay back $11k while not permitted to make any money and maintain eligibility. I donāt know what his mom does for a living but I doubt sheās got that kind of cash just laying around.
Thank you, was thinking the exact same thing - that would have to be one hellacious part-time job for Wiseman the broke college athlete to have that kind of cash laying around, now wouldn't it? How much do you want to bet that the NCAA will be all in favor of - having no qualms at all - Mr. Wiseman even borrowing the money, so long as it goes into their coffers. I smell a bigtime stinky double-standard fart.
@rockchalkwyo Moving can also include rental security deposits on the new place and payments of outstanding balances to the old place. Moving a household with furniture doesn't usually happen for less than a few grand!
@HighEliteMajor As I recall, one of the aggravating factors in the coach allegation is the claim that Bill did not turn over his phone for quite a while after their adidas investigation began. The NCAA probably had to chew their cud on that for an additional 6 months.
@Marco The NCAA is aware that players cannot go out and earn these payback amounts. I believe the rules are that the school can loan him the money but it has to be paid back by the end of the year in which his incoming class graduates, even if he doesn't stay in school. But I think it also requires the athlete to leave school in good standing or the school faces retroactive sanctions. I don't know what. I remember posting the rule on this awhile ago, and I dunno if I have the details correct.
@Marco So help me, how is this a "double-standard"? And so you know, the money isn't going to the NCAA. It goes to a charity of Wiseman's choice by the way. The NCAA doesn't need his $11,000.
@mayjay Not defending the NCAA time frames here fully, but if you're going to posture that deciding the Wiseman issue vs. the KU/Adidas stuff was even near the same level of complexity, then I'm not sure really what to say there -- if that's what the "cud" comment means. Of course, we really didn't fully cooperate. We weren't fully "transparent." We know that. There was a federal trial. There was waiting for that to conclude. On other items, I can't quite figure it out. This one, I'm more understanding.
HighEliteMajor said:
@Marco So help me, how is this a "double-standard"? And so you know, the money isn't going to the NCAA. It goes to a charity of Wiseman's choice by the way. The NCAA doesn't need his $11,000.
@mayjay Not defending the NCAA time frames here fully, but if you're going to posture that deciding the Wiseman issue vs. the KU/Adidas stuff was even near the same level of complexity, then I'm not sure really what to say there -- if that's what the "cud" comment means. Of course, we really didn't fully cooperate. We weren't fully "transparent." We know that. There was a federal trial. There was waiting for that to conclude. On other items, I can't quite figure it out. This one, I'm more understanding.
Lol! Then he should start the Broke College Athlete Fund Foundation...
@HighEliteMajor Oh, no, I was just replying and supporting your point that the Memphis facts apparently did not need lots of investigation. The "cud" comment was directed to the fact that the phone allegation was really the only serious new thing that the complaint contained (we suspected or had read the rest previously, knowing what we did from the trial), yet the NOI took so long they must have been straining with the issue awhile.
HighEliteMajor said:
@FarmerJayhawk Again, I don't think our NCAA venom is entirely well placed. The suspension for Wiseman was relatively predictable. See Bilas' comments before the suspension was released. We've seen guys get suspensions based on the improper benefits, and that it's based on the amount received. The NCAA always requires payback. And if you review the terms, it's very flexible, almost permitting him to skate on some of it.
@ajvan The reason, I think, is because of the facts with Wiseman were well developed and known. When there is more info to be added, investigated, etc., that takes more time. Silvio situation was less than clear with all the denials and b.s. out there. Same with Preston. Wiseman, there were no real denials of what took place if I understood it right. The issue was just what would occur because of it. But I'm not defending the time delays.
However, the ridiculous delays we saw with the NCAA in some of our cases -- Diallo sticks out to me -- were really a joke.
My beef isnāt with the NCAA in this case. I believe it was open and shut, run of the mill eligibility stuff that they handled relatively quickly.
My beef with the NCAA is they donāt follow their own precedents and sanctions vary widely between cases with very similar facts.