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Super Tuesday
Mar 03, 2020 07:38 PM #1

So many scenarios running through my mind...

Never before had I been so undecided at the moment of staring at a ballot.

Is Bloomberg hoping to split the moderate vote so that Bernie gets nominated by the Democratic party and he can be then run as the moderate independent candidate against Bernie?

Is Warren still in leveraging her position with Biden, by staying in, asking for the vice presidency?

What about Buttigieg and Amy? Both met with Biden and are endorsing him. What are they negotiating for by dropping out pre-Super Tuesday? If Amy can't gift Minnesota to Biden, what does it say about her as a Veep candidate?

Does Bernie get out the latino and young vote and win Texas? Is Texas the most important sign for Bernie's campaign, even if they aren't going red in the general?

Will Bloomberg cut into Biden enough to give it to Bernie?

Would an instant runoff primary in all 50 states make Bloomberg less of a factor or make it worse?

Mar 03, 2020 07:54 PM #2

@approxinfinity Where's Pat Paulsen when we need him?

Mar 03, 2020 08:20 PM #3

I voted for Biden this morning. Pretty easy decision for me given NC doesn't love Bloomberg.

Given the polls that came out this morning, I think it's pretty likely Biden fights Bernie to a delegate draw. Biden will sweep the South (with the possible exception of Texas) and Bernie will run strong in Texas, California, and the northeast. Warren has the money for a long slog, but at some point she has to understand her campaign has entered the zombie stage. Yeah it's still going, but it's effectively dead.

I expect Bloomberg to pull a Steyer and crater. I highly doubt he'll win a single state and will probably fail to be viable in a majority.

The early vote is key. For example, over 800,000 ballots were cast before today just in North Carolina. There are millions already banked in California. The early vote won't be friendly to Biden, so he's going to have to run up the score on Election Day to really cut into Bernie's lead. I think he will considering ED voters tend to be older and better off financially than early voters. There's a good chance Amy is actually viable in Minnesota even after dropping out. Her internals had her way ahead before SC.

I think the key is the delegate math with both Bloomberg and Warren. Both are foils to Biden and Bernie, respectively. Warren has a chance at getting the majority of delegates from Massachusetts, which would deny Bernie a batch he needs to hit 1991. Bloomberg may deny Biden some CD delegates in Minnesota, Vermont, and Utah. If he hits viability in more states than I think, he'll peel off some statewide delegates from Biden. Same applies to Warren. If she's viable in a bunch of these states, it could deny Bernie absolute majority delegate hauls.

In short, I think the race becomes a long slog till Milwaukee. Next Tuesday looks fairly pro-Bernie, the 17th looks a lot better for Biden, the Acela primary in April looks better for Biden, May looks to lean Sanders. I'd be somewhat surprised at this point if someone hit 1991.

Mar 04, 2020 02:05 AM #4

Bloomberg is a rep trying to buy an election. Sanders is a socialist. Biden (poor guy) is losing his mental abilities. Warren has told more lies than trump. Man how far has the Dem party fallen. Not being a hater, just saying. Do you think any of these candidates can unite the dem party and beat trump? I’m not so sure. To many political games by Nancy and chuck. Almost makes me think they did it on purpose. To take one for the team. If that makes sense?

Mar 04, 2020 02:27 AM #5

@DoubleDD You make no sense. Crazy town is over there that way --->

Mar 04, 2020 02:33 AM #6

Well Nancy and chuck are old school libs. Today’s dem party is hardly even close to old school. All candidates on the dem ticket except Biden ( who doesn’t know where he is, or who he is talking too half the time) are hard socialist. They want to give away everything for free. Without any real plan of paying for it other than raising taxes to a place no American can make it. So a theory grant you? Maybe Nancy and chuck took one fir the team, and submarines their own party? Just a thought. Hardly crazy. But I’ll leave if you want me too?

Mar 04, 2020 02:34 AM #7

Bloomberg is dropping out.

Mar 04, 2020 02:36 AM #8

@FarmerJayhawk

Really? Haven’t seen that one. Yet good news

Mar 04, 2020 02:38 AM #9

@DoubleDD said in Super Tuesday:

@FarmerJayhawk

Really? Haven’t seen that one. Yet good news

Yep. It’ll be a death march to Milwaukee. Guessing Bloomberg turns his cannons on Bernie and serves as Biden’s de facto Super PAC, but gets to buy time at the low candidate rate instead of the PAC rate.

Mar 04, 2020 02:46 AM #10

@FarmerJayhawk

Makes sense.

Mar 04, 2020 02:53 AM #11

@approxinfinity Let me help...there isn't a democrat on the ballot that is worth it. Hope that helps...

:-)

Mar 04, 2020 02:55 AM #12

@Bwag said in Super Tuesday:

@approxinfinity Let me help...there isn't a democrat on the ballot that is worth it. Hope that helps...

:-)

Every single one of them is a better human being than Trump. Nowhere to go but up.

Mar 04, 2020 02:57 AM #13

@approxinfinity Was not ever a fan of Trump...but sometimes, options are limited.

Mar 04, 2020 03:00 AM #14

@Bwag Well look, any of the democrats would appoint a bunch of qualified people to positions in their cabinet. That's why their character matters. They aren't going to gift their cabinet positions to a bunch of unqualified rich people in return for their loyalty.

The presidency is a team.

Mar 04, 2020 03:00 AM #15

@Bwag

Other than the tweets? Trump has been spot on.

Mar 04, 2020 03:01 AM #16

Trump is a dangerous idiot that needs to be thrown to the curb.

Mar 04, 2020 03:02 AM #17

@approxinfinity

Other than Biden. Any of the Dem candidates will turn this country upside down, and not for the better

Mar 04, 2020 03:03 AM #18

@approxinfinity

Lowest unemployment rates across the board. New trade agreements. No new wars? Yea we don’t want that.

Mar 04, 2020 03:06 AM #19

Wait, is this the thread for delusional trump supporters who think China pays tariffs and bailing out farmers isn't socialism?

Mar 04, 2020 03:08 AM #20

@DanR

You won’t be happy till all Americans are in the streets fighting over a roll of toilet paper. Just like all the other socialist countries.
Smile

Mar 04, 2020 03:08 AM #21

... that was a long pause while googling "who pays tariffs"

Mar 04, 2020 03:09 AM #22

went with the fighting over toilet paper argument.

Mar 04, 2020 03:10 AM #23

@DoubleDD Underemployed people. Poor wages. Cozying up to and protecting dictators. Undermining our alliances. Calling the free press the enemy of the people. Disparaging all people that disagree with him. Infecting the justice department with toxic partisanship. I mean the list goes on and on and on...

Mar 04, 2020 03:10 AM #24

@DanR

I didn’t google nothing. It’s called trade? Maybe you would like Americans farmers to go back to be at the mercy of the communist country China

Mar 04, 2020 03:11 AM #25

@approxinfinity

That a lot to say any proof? As you like to say. Smile

Mar 04, 2020 03:12 AM #26

@DoubleDD Maybe you should use google

Mar 04, 2020 03:12 AM #27

@approxinfinity

Except the disparaging part. You nailed it.

Mar 04, 2020 03:13 AM #28

DoubleDD is drinking the capitalist kool-aid. Chugging even.

Mar 04, 2020 03:13 AM #29

@DanR

How is socialism compared to a trade deal. Maybe you should google common sense? Smile

Mar 04, 2020 03:13 AM #30

Turned into Stupid Tuesday in this discussion.

Mar 04, 2020 03:13 AM #31

@BShark

Sign me up.

Mar 04, 2020 03:14 AM #32

@BShark

Name one great socialist country?

Mar 04, 2020 03:15 AM #33

@DoubleDD Bernie or Warren wouldn't even turn this country remotely socialist. Our oligarchs would literally never allow that. The only reason the first world still retains social welfare systems is because we're the head of the empire - house servants to the like of Haiti's field slaves. The bare minimum is provided to acquire consent for the system. Hungry peasants result in revolution in a matter of days, gotta keep just enough of them fed and happy to maintain stability.

They're still cutting social security, medicare, and the minimum wage. Just slowly and passively through inflation and other steadily increasing economic rents.

Mar 04, 2020 03:18 AM #34

@BShark

Fair point? But you admit one thing that may not be true. You are banking on the house and senate to keep Bernie or warren under control. What if that doesn’t happen. Then what.

Mar 04, 2020 03:18 AM #35

Hell, let's see if Bernie or Warren even gets the nomination, let alone wins the election. I for one have always had my doubts.

Let's not talk about no new wars though, I'm sure we are bemoaning the fact that we are running out of poor countries to ransack. Iran and South America are looking like this right about now !alt text ↗

Mar 04, 2020 03:19 AM #36

@BShark

Come on @BShark that is weak you have a greater mind than that. Come on

Mar 04, 2020 03:20 AM #37

@DoubleDD said in Super Tuesday:

@BShark

Fair point? But you admit one thing that may not be true. You are banking on the house and senate to keep Bernie or warren under control. What if that doesn’t happen. Then what.

You are overrating the reach and ability of the POTUS. Look at Obama, he was an excellent capitalist puppet while pretending to be interested in health care.

Mar 04, 2020 03:20 AM #38

@DoubleDD said in Super Tuesday:

@BShark

Come on @BShark that is weak you have a greater mind than that. Come on

Are you arguing that America/the wealthy elite haven't controlled other countries through oppression?

Mar 04, 2020 03:22 AM #39

@BShark

I’m not going to bash Obama. One of the best speakers I think I’ve ever heard. Yet not sure he was a capitalist puppet. In fact he seemed to believe that America wasn’t to be the greatest nation on earth. And was trying to prepare Americans of that fact.

Mar 04, 2020 03:23 AM #40

@BShark said in Super Tuesday:

@DoubleDD said in Super Tuesday:

@BShark

Come on @BShark that is weak you have a greater mind than that. Come on

Are you arguing that America/the wealthy elite haven't controlled other countries through oppression?

Oh no argument from me in that note.

Mar 04, 2020 03:23 AM #41

Biden just introduced his wife as his sister and his sister as his wife. I think he said "I'm her wife" and then said "oh no, they switched on me". :man_facepalming:

Mar 04, 2020 03:24 AM #42

@DoubleDD He was though, he talked a big game and failed to deliver anything of substance. He could have raised minimum wage in a meaningful way and did not. I believe the last thing the DNC wants is an electable truly liberal candidate.

Mar 04, 2020 03:24 AM #43

@approxinfinity

FYI I like uncle joe hate to see this.

Mar 04, 2020 03:24 AM #44

@approxinfinity said in Super Tuesday:

Biden just introduced his wife as his sister and his sister as his wife. I think he said "I'm her wife" and then said "oh no, they switched on me". :man_facepalming:

Good grief.

Mar 04, 2020 03:25 AM #45

@DoubleDD said in Super Tuesday:

@approxinfinity

FYI I like uncle joe hate to see this.

This makes sense given he is Republican. :p

Mar 04, 2020 03:25 AM #46

Someone turn his mic down.

Mar 04, 2020 03:26 AM #47

@approxinfinity said in Super Tuesday:

Someone turn his mic down.

He's been doing well today, maybe it would be best for him if he just didn't talk anymore.

Mar 04, 2020 03:27 AM #48

Okay now that's funny.

Mar 04, 2020 03:28 AM #49

Wow. Protesters ran on stage right behind him. Security?

Mar 04, 2020 03:29 AM #50

He's still a better person than Trump. Just pick a competent running mate.

Mar 04, 2020 03:29 AM #51

Ah ha. on queue he just mentioned Amy first. "We won Minnesota because of Amy Klobuchar"

Mar 04, 2020 03:30 AM #52

@approxinfinity said in Super Tuesday:

Ah ha. on queue he just mentioned Amy.

I will vomit uncontrollably if this is the ticket.

Mar 04, 2020 03:30 AM #53

lol

Mar 04, 2020 03:31 AM #54

Trump has flanned the fates of hame.

Mar 04, 2020 03:33 AM #55

How come you guys don’t like Amy? I know she can’t win, but still she seems quite liberal

Mar 04, 2020 03:34 AM #56

@DoubleDD I like Amy. She was my first choice.

Mar 04, 2020 03:35 AM #57

@approxinfinity

I know this sounds crazy. But I think she could beat trump. But she can’t win the Dem ticket.

Mar 04, 2020 03:36 AM #58

She could. She would gut him in the debates. So would Warren.

Mar 04, 2020 03:36 AM #59

Just not a big fan. Next to Bloomberg and Biden my least favorite candidate was probably Buttigieg after the way he changed his stances when he thought it might save his nomination. Hate that shit.

Mar 04, 2020 03:36 AM #60

@approxinfinity

Amy yes, Warren no. A big no. Warren has told more lies than trump.

Mar 04, 2020 03:36 AM #61

@approxinfinity said in Super Tuesday:

She could. She would gut him in the debates. So would Warren.

Maybe they want Biden to get the nomination so it's close to a level playing field. :thinking_face:

Mar 04, 2020 03:37 AM #62

@DoubleDD said in Super Tuesday:

@approxinfinity

Amy yes, Warren no. A big no. Warren has told more lies than trump.

I call her LYIN LIZ.

Mar 04, 2020 03:38 AM #63

@BShark Buttigieg = Tracy Flick.

Mar 04, 2020 03:42 AM #64

@approxinfinity said in Super Tuesday:

Wow. Protesters ran on stage right behind him. Security?

Further proof vegans are the worst.

To @DoubleDDā€˜s point, I’m a libertarian and absolutely can’t stand Trump. Tepidly supported the TCJA because it was directionally good but not so good in the details, don’t support the USMCA because it’s a bailout to unions and is economic imperialism on Mexico. I’m a farm kid and opposed the bailouts. I took my check because duh, but it’s horrible policy. I really like markets.

Bernie has failed in his key idea: turn out new voters to elect a socialist. It just isn’t happening. The new voters in the D column are blacks and upscale suburban whites who are breaking overwhelmingly for Biden. Bernie isn’t putting the Obama coalition back together. Youth turnout is really bad. Blacks are turning out big for Biden. This is just my cold, former operative analysis. I voted for Biden but the numbers are what they are. Biden is going to fight Bernie to a draw in the only number that counts tonight and that’s an unqualified loss for Bernie.

Mar 04, 2020 03:43 AM #65

So... if it is a brokered nomination, Warren could still be nominated at the convention. Hard to imagine.

Mar 04, 2020 03:43 AM #66

@DoubleDD said in Super Tuesday:

@approxinfinity

Amy yes, Warren no. A big no. Warren has told more lies than trump.

Serious policy folks know Warren is a fraud. Most of her #PlansforEverything don’t hold up to any serious scrutiny.

Mar 04, 2020 03:45 AM #67

@approxinfinity said in Super Tuesday:

So... if it is a brokered nomination, Warren could still be nominated at the convention. Hard to imagine.

While possible, it’s extremely unlikely. It’ll be Biden if it’s close on the first ballot. Remember, superdelegates can vote on the second ballot.

Mar 04, 2020 03:46 AM #68

@FarmerJayhawk Who do you hope Biden picks as a running mate?

Mar 04, 2020 03:48 AM #69

Wow, CNN just showed Biden won every single district in Oklahoma, where Bernie won all but 2 districts in Oklahoma over Clinton in 2016.

Mar 04, 2020 03:51 AM #70

@approxinfinity said in Super Tuesday:

@FarmerJayhawk Who do you hope Biden picks as a running mate?

Oh boy. I think Sen. Tammy Baldwin (WI) would be a solid choice. First openly gay Senator, and from a state that would lock in 270 for D’s. Gov. Gretchen Whitmer from Michigan would be good too.

My pick would be Sen. Kyrsten Sinema from Arizona. Young, attractive, openly bi, and a centrist.

Mar 04, 2020 04:05 AM #71

@FarmerJayhawk I was shocked at the coverage last election that the pundits thought that Kaine got outdebated by Pence. Not that it matters much, but do you think Sinema would outdebate Pence?

Mar 04, 2020 04:20 AM #72

So this aged poorly.

Mar 04, 2020 04:32 AM #73

@approxinfinity said in Super Tuesday:

@FarmerJayhawk I was shocked at the coverage last election that the pundits thought that Kaine got outdebated by Pence. Not that it matters much, but do you think Sinema would outdebate Pence?

I think she’d hold her own. I think the perception of a young, bi, centrist Senator vs. Pence would be a win in itself. And if you can win Arizona, ballgame.

Mar 04, 2020 04:46 AM #74

Breaking news Trump elected president for the next eight years.

Mar 04, 2020 04:49 AM #75

@BShark said in Super Tuesday:

Breaking news Trump elected president for the next eight years.

Real question. Where does Bernie either swing voters that went for Trump or turn out new voters that Biden wouldn’t? I just really don’t see the math.

We’re not repealing the 22nd Amendment.

Mar 04, 2020 04:50 AM #76

Maybe Biden can win because hey Obama and carry on the legacy of endless war and bank bail outs.

Mar 04, 2020 04:51 AM #77

@FarmerJayhawk I'm just upset even though I knew this was happening deep down quite awhile ago.

Mar 04, 2020 04:53 AM #78

@FarmerJayhawk said in Super Tuesday:

@BShark said in Super Tuesday:

Breaking news Trump elected president for the next eight years.

We’re not repealing the 22nd Amendment.

I thought about going with 12 tbh.

Mar 04, 2020 04:53 AM #79

@BShark said in Super Tuesday:

Maybe Biden can win because hey Obama and carry on the legacy of endless war and bank bail outs.

TARP was under Bush. I mean ya boy Bernie was a big booster for Dodd-Frank which was supposed to end them all. At least that’s what he said ĀÆ_(惄)_/ĀÆ

Mar 04, 2020 04:56 AM #80

@BShark said in Super Tuesday:

@FarmerJayhawk I'm just upset even though I knew this was happening deep down quite awhile ago.

It’s far from over. There’s A LOT of Bernie delegates out there. California delegates are days out, New York is still up for grabs, Bernie is going to get a good chunk from Texas, etc.

Mar 04, 2020 04:56 AM #81

@FarmerJayhawk said in Super Tuesday:

@BShark said in Super Tuesday:

@FarmerJayhawk I'm just upset even though I knew this was happening deep down quite awhile ago.

It’s far from over. There’s A LOT of Bernie delegates out there. California delegates are days out, New York is still up for grabs, Bernie is going to get a good chunk from Texas, etc.

Uh huh okay dot gif

But seriously this was all the confirmation I needed. You know as well as I do the dnc wants Biden. Warren has played her role to help this admirably. Time to stock up on mad max gear for the climate apocalypse.

Mar 04, 2020 05:00 AM #82

https://mobile.twitter.com/jackallisonLOL/status/1234476693445693441 ↗

Mar 04, 2020 05:02 AM #83

@BShark said in Super Tuesday:

@FarmerJayhawk said in Super Tuesday:

@BShark said in Super Tuesday:

@FarmerJayhawk I'm just upset even though I knew this was happening deep down quite awhile ago.

It’s far from over. There’s A LOT of Bernie delegates out there. California delegates are days out, New York is still up for grabs, Bernie is going to get a good chunk from Texas, etc.

Uh huh okay dot gif

But seriously this was all the confirmation I needed. You know as well as I do the dnc wants Biden. Warren has played her role to help this admirably. Time to stock up on mad max gear for the climate apocalypse.

I’ve been clear since Saturday I thought a contested convention was the most likely outcome. I still think that. If Bernie can’t get the majority of delegates based on the rules HE LOBBIED FOR that’s on him. If you can’t win under the rules you wanted then can it.

Mar 04, 2020 05:07 AM #84

But here’s the deal. We a HUGE amount of attention to the Presidential election (as well we should!) but pay almost zero to the most important elections to Congress. Without looking, can you name the major candidates for Senate in swing states? If voters want a major legislative agenda, work for/donate to/promote.. idk.. candidates for the LEGISLATIVE BRANCH. Their the superior branch of government and can make the changes you want. The President cannot.

Mar 04, 2020 05:12 AM #85

@FarmerJayhawk said in Super Tuesday:

But here’s the deal. We a HUGE amount of attention to the Presidential election (as well we should!) but pay almost zero to the most important elections to Congress. Without looking, can you name the major candidates for Senate in swing states? If voters want a major legislative agenda, work for/donate to/promote.. idk.. candidates for the LEGISLATIVE BRANCH. Their the superior branch of government and can make the changes you want. The President cannot.

And ultimately none of this matters anyway but the point is taken.

Mar 04, 2020 05:15 AM #86

Joe F'n Biden. Well then.

Mar 04, 2020 05:21 AM #87

@FarmerJayhawk would you be concerned that taking one of the senators you mentioned as a running mate would just turn the senate one more seat red? And what do you expect the impact of a Biden ticket down ballot to be?

Mar 04, 2020 05:23 AM #88

@BShark said in Super Tuesday:

@FarmerJayhawk said in Super Tuesday:

But here’s the deal. We a HUGE amount of attention to the Presidential election (as well we should!) but pay almost zero to the most important elections to Congress. Without looking, can you name the major candidates for Senate in swing states? If voters want a major legislative agenda, work for/donate to/promote.. idk.. candidates for the LEGISLATIVE BRANCH. Their the superior branch of government and can make the changes you want. The President cannot.

And ultimately none of this matters anyway but the point is taken.

Of course it does. The makeup of Congress matters A TON. A D Congress with a Biden Presidency gets more progressive change than Bernie with a R Congress. The RNC is making a massive mistake in not going balls to the wall to protect Gardner, Collins, McSally, et al. A Trump second term is crippled if Sen. Schumer gets to ignore Trump appointments.

Mar 04, 2020 05:26 AM #89

@BShark šŸ¤®šŸ’©šŸ¤Æ

Mar 04, 2020 05:28 AM #90

@approxinfinity said in Super Tuesday:

@FarmerJayhawk would you be concerned that taking one of the senators you mentioned as a running mate would just turn the senate one more seat red? And what do you expect the impact of a Biden ticket down ballot to be?

On Sinema, yes. Ducey is a Republican and would appoint a Republican to replace her, but AZ law means there’s a special election in 22 to replace the appointed Senator. The governor of Wisconsin is a Democrat so that wouldn’t matter as far as the partisan breakdown.

I think Biden has much longer coattails than Bernie. He’s gotten a lot of black and suburban voters so far. I think they absolutely vote in the general. We’ve always observed primary voters vote in the general and won’t flip. Bernie has always operated outside the DNC and his machine hasn’t really moved the needle in terms of turnout so far. It’s a recipe for losing some suburban women who don’t like A) Bernie’s record with women and B) his insistence we get rid of their health insurance plans. He’s never done well with black voters either. I’m skeptical he’d get 2012 type numbers with black voters in Philly, Detroit, and Milwaukee.

Mar 04, 2020 05:33 AM #91

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_Senate_election_in_Kentucky ↗

Is Amy McGrath the most viable challenger to sent McConnell packing? I am thinking about contributing to that race.

Mar 04, 2020 05:33 AM #92

@FarmerJayhawk said in Super Tuesday:

@BShark said in Super Tuesday:

@FarmerJayhawk said in Super Tuesday:

But here’s the deal. We a HUGE amount of attention to the Presidential election (as well we should!) but pay almost zero to the most important elections to Congress. Without looking, can you name the major candidates for Senate in swing states? If voters want a major legislative agenda, work for/donate to/promote.. idk.. candidates for the LEGISLATIVE BRANCH. Their the superior branch of government and can make the changes you want. The President cannot.

And ultimately none of this matters anyway but the point is taken.

Of course it does. The makeup of Congress matters A TON. A D Congress with a Biden Presidency gets more progressive change than Bernie with a R Congress. The RNC is making a massive mistake in not going balls to the wall to protect Gardner, Collins, McSally, et al. A Trump second term is crippled if Sen. Schumer gets to ignore Trump appointments.

I mean all of it. The president too. It will all pretty much to according to plan.

Mar 04, 2020 05:33 AM #93

@approxinfinity said in Super Tuesday:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_Senate_election_in_Kentucky ↗

Is Amy McGrath the most viable challenger to sent McConnell packing? I am thinking about contributing to that race.

Don’t. Cocaine Mitch is going to win by about 15 points.

Mar 04, 2020 05:34 AM #94

@BShark said in Super Tuesday:

@FarmerJayhawk said in Super Tuesday:

@BShark said in Super Tuesday:

@FarmerJayhawk said in Super Tuesday:

But here’s the deal. We a HUGE amount of attention to the Presidential election (as well we should!) but pay almost zero to the most important elections to Congress. Without looking, can you name the major candidates for Senate in swing states? If voters want a major legislative agenda, work for/donate to/promote.. idk.. candidates for the LEGISLATIVE BRANCH. Their the superior branch of government and can make the changes you want. The President cannot.

And ultimately none of this matters anyway but the point is taken.

Of course it does. The makeup of Congress matters A TON. A D Congress with a Biden Presidency gets more progressive change than Bernie with a R Congress. The RNC is making a massive mistake in not going balls to the wall to protect Gardner, Collins, McSally, et al. A Trump second term is crippled if Sen. Schumer gets to ignore Trump appointments.

I mean all of it. The president too. It will all pretty much to according to plan.

Sounds like you and Alex Jones need a podcast šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚

Mar 04, 2020 05:35 AM #95

@FarmerJayhawk call me jaybate 2.0

Mar 04, 2020 05:38 AM #96

@BShark said in Super Tuesday:

@FarmerJayhawk call me jaybate 2.0

whispers Halliburton gave me a raise to spread propaganda

Mar 04, 2020 06:11 AM #97

https://mobile.twitter.com/fightdenial/status/1234964901119922176 ↗

Howling, as it were.

Mar 04, 2020 06:17 AM #98

@BShark said in Super Tuesday:

https://mobile.twitter.com/fightdenial/status/1234964901119922176 ↗

Howling, as it were.

Super Tuesday was her Hail Mary. It was over after New Hampshire, but Very Online People plus Debate People convinced them they had a path. Campaigns have a way of convincing you that you can win as long as cash comes through the door. Warren raised about a gazillion after the last debate, but money !=votes.

Mar 05, 2020 02:40 AM #99

@approxinfinity I have trouble agreeing because I don't see a single one of them that is competent or not crazy. Bloomberg has a tyrant streak - eg. outlaw big gulps (though I don't drink much pop myself - and an elitist for sure, but maybe the least crazy or incompetent of the group. So I don't see any of them showing that great of judgement in who they select.

Anyway, at this point it looks like its down to a Commie and low IQ old dude that has onset dementia. Great choices.

Mar 05, 2020 04:35 AM #100

@Bwag Biden can delegate effectively. Trump cannot.

Mar 05, 2020 04:53 AM #101

@approxinfinity Biden looks like he belongs in a retirement home. I wouldn’t trust him in his current mental state to negotiate with a teenager to mow my lawn. I have no ill will toward the guy, but anyone that listens to him for more than 5 minutes can see he has something going on up there. I’m against the two party system and believe them all to be crooks so I will vote for an independent but most the time when I see the stuff Democrat’s are putting on social media. I believe they are incapable of thinking for themselves.

Mar 05, 2020 05:03 AM #102

@kjayhawks I have a big problem with the Biden nomination as well. But Trump is a threat to our democracy. Biden will at worst be ineffective.

Mar 05, 2020 05:15 AM #103

@approxinfinity Trump is naturally an idiot so he’s got that working against him. I’m personally pissed that the Democrats wasted billions of social security money trying to get him impeached when anyone with a brain knew the senate would kill it. When they should have finding someone worth a darn to run against him. I really think with the way things are going, there is zero common sense in Washington on either side.

Mar 05, 2020 04:14 PM #104

@kjayhawks Does it really work that way? Is the funding for an impeachment tied to the budget for social security? I never heard that before. Seems strange as impeachment is more of an enforcement action so, if funds had to deplete any specific area, I would think military would make more sense.. Anyway, it seems like the budget should be more fungible than that!

Mar 05, 2020 04:52 PM #105

@bskeet I’ve read that they took money from social security to fund it. It really doesn’t where they took it from, they blew money that wasn’t theirs and scheme that was never going to work. Both parties do this and drives me nuts.

Mar 05, 2020 05:05 PM #106

@bskeet said in Super Tuesday:

@kjayhawks Does it really work that way? Is the funding for an impeachment tied to the budget for social security? I never heard that before. Seems strange as impeachment is more of an enforcement action so, if funds had to deplete any specific area, I would think military would make more sense.. Anyway, it seems like the budget should be more fungible than that!

No. Only the executive branch can reprogram funds (see the border wall). Congress would need to pass a budget amendment the President needs to sign it to become law. This really isn’t that complicated.

Mar 06, 2020 05:32 AM #107

Both parties drive me nuts, but I'm still trying to understand this issue of funding. Sorry for my ignorance, but things just don't seem to add up.

@FarmerJayhawk says only the executive branch can reprogram funds and @kjayhawks says it came from social security, so does that mean it was Trump's decision to take the money from Social Security to fund the impeachment?

Also-- what does it mean that they (who is they in this case) blew money that wasn't theirs? The government can only use funds that are derived from taxes, which generated by laws created by the representatives that we have elected into position... So, I don't see how whatever money they used to fund the impeachment process was improper. Whether or not we want our tax dollars being used in such a way, we've given them the power to tax and the power to operate the government...

Anyway, there's a lot of misinformation out there, so I did a quick search and it appears the source of the story is from a "satirical" site: https://potatriotsunite.com/impeachbill/ ↗

Evidently, our wonderful social media has allowed this to proliferate and pollute the populace.

Here are fact-checking sites on the topic:
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/01/impeachment-social-security-hoax-resurfaces-in-video/ ↗
https://factcheck.afp.com/top-us-democrat-pelosi-did-not-raid-social-security-fund-impeachment ↗
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jan/22/blog-posting/satire-fact-check-headline-pelosi-impeachment-cost/ ↗

And here's the government's explanation:
https://www.ssa.gov/history/InternetMyths2.html ↗

Mar 06, 2020 04:37 PM #108

There’s a huge constituency around the absolute lie that SS is totally fine but for CONGRESS STEALIN OUR RETIREMENT!! No, boomers just didn’t have enough kids or allow enough immigration to fund it.

There’s also a misconception about who pays for whose benefits. When you pay in, the government doesn’t put your money in a little box then mail it back to you at 65. Current taxes pay for current benefits. So surprise! You’re paying for boomers to retire even though there are only about 2.5 workers paying for each beneficiary instead of something like 17 50 years ago.

The system is broken not because people stole their money, it’s because fertility and immigration cratered post-boomers.

Mar 06, 2020 04:44 PM #109

Correct Farmer.

Hear me out on this though, billionaires could be taxed for it instead of being able to dodge everything.

Congress money is small potatoes.

Mar 06, 2020 04:55 PM #110

@FarmerJayhawk should we retire as early as possible then? I think they raised the income u can make while getting Ss.

Mar 06, 2020 04:59 PM #111

@BShark said in Super Tuesday:

Correct Farmer.

Hear me out on this though, billionaires could be taxed for it instead of being able to dodge everything.

Congress money is small potatoes.

And still you’d be nowhere near solvent since we’re only halfway through the boomers retiring, fertility and immigration is still falling, and people are living longer. There just isn’t that much revenue available in the billionaire class. Doesn’t really matter how you tax billionaires, if there’s one worker per retiree the math just doesn’t work.

Mar 06, 2020 05:01 PM #112

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Super Tuesday:

@FarmerJayhawk should we retire as early as possible then? I think they raised the income u can make while getting Ss.

Good question! Short answer is I have no idea. Depends on each person’s situation.

Mar 06, 2020 05:28 PM #113

@FarmerJayhawk I meant before it's cut!

Mar 06, 2020 05:36 PM #114

Just to drive this point home, voters WAY overestimate the amount of money made by millionaires+ as a fraction of the total economy. !alt text ↗

If you want to move to a Scandinavian-style welfare state like Bernie, you need to tax the middle class much more heavily. They tried a wealth tax 50 years ago and decided it was totally unworkable. Plus, if you follow the Sanders line that "billionaires should not exist," Scandinavia has more per capita than the U.S. They follow the model of high consumption taxation, low investment taxation, the opposite of the Sanders/Warren plan. Devil is always in the details.

@Crimsonorblue22 the trust fund won't be depleted until 2035, which will be a 20% reduction in benefits assuming no changes to demographics or the funding stream. By 2095, revenue will cover 75% of benefits. The decline will slow as the boomers pass away. We saved it once in the 80's, we could do it again.

Mar 06, 2020 06:50 PM #115

@bskeet I read several time that the government has taken money from social security. That obviously doesn’t necessarily mean it’s true. What I mean by spending money that ain’t theirs is the fact that it isn’t lol. They have a tax for just about every thing, that is the American populations money that’s supposed to be used to help the said American citizens. I’d recommend googling what some of our tax money is spent on. 200 million was spent a few years to see if monkeys were more sexually active while on cocaine. Imagine you and you wife going over your budget and deciding to spend much more than you make on silly stuff like that. Then see if how it impacts your household. There is no consequence for their actions, no pay grade based on their performance. They’ll still have their mansions and benzs to go home to. If you budget like that, you’ll be on streets.