Having visions of Langford and Grimes now. MERCY.
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Would love to see him at KU. Didn't figure him as a realistic option when Duke was heavily involved. Indiana/Louisville/KU def all recruiting him pretty hard.
Seems like Duke has backed off Romeo Langford.
Well I see Duke offered McCormack and the cb picks rolled in ofc.
jayballer54 said:
Right now he is showing 100% Arkansas lol. -- -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
He also doesn't have a KU offer.
Graham and Newman.
Will be a great walk-on.
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dylans said:
I thought Mark Smith was between Illinois and MSU? But what do I know I don't follow HS kids too closely until they sign with KU. I don't get invested in a kid that's not invested in me (with a KU commitment). It saves on a lot of grief.
Looks like Illinois is the latest scuttlebutt.
Don't worry OP, Malik got chu.
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KU never recruited Rafus and it was very brief with Gak.
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Charlie Moore tells me that he's not sure where he's going just yet. #kubball
I think a lot of it with Selby was his injury (uncontrollable) but also bad advice from his inner circle. Now, maybe Cal is able to disconnect them a bit where Self did not, that's something to think about.
Definitely feels like Knox could end up at Missouri. Honestly, it could be his best option for playing time. Duke is pretty loaded, and UK is stacked with wings and combo forwards.
Yeah this isn't rocket science. Duval is at Duke (likely filming his commitment video) but denies it fervently because he wants to "keep it a secret". Then it leaks that Moore has popped for KU, but it gets retracted, probably because Moore wants to announce the news himself. Then Allen announces for Nebraska.
He was a slow roll. I would guess he didn't have a commit-able offer.
Not KU.
Not if he goal is getting PT this year.
As for Moore, I like it if true. Makes Grimes the key 18 recruit by far. This also creates a nice situation where the staff isn't heavily depending on the weak 18 class and allows the 19 class (where KU has a lot of ins) to be a focal point.
I would think it means there is no spot for him at KU.
Do you think they wouldn't have been lotto picks if they played for Self? Izzo? Timbucktoo State?
Thomas Allen committed to Nebraska. I'd say the Moore thing is probably true, it just broke before he wanted it out there.
The only higher ranked player now would be Duval (Moore is better than Allen and if Moore could play this year it wouldn't even be a choice which to take), and I think the staff was told he isn't coming here if this news is true.
Big if though. This is really weird. Might be fake news or something.
Yeah I was going to say something about desperation but KU recently gave Evan Maxwell a scholarship for a semester sooooo
Edit: Seeing that allegedly Moore committed to KU. Trying to verify it.
Completely disagree with that assertion. Assuming you mean comparable players that KU has a realistic chance at only, I'd certainly take Grimes over Moore in a heartbeat.
KU is going to need two guards and two posts most likely from the 18 class*, no matter who is added late with perhaps the exception of Tilmon. Landing Tilmon could make it possible to only need to add one solid big for 18. A lot of the top prospects in 18 are UK or Duke leans. Closing Grimes is a must. Then add one of Dotson or Lewis most likely. For bigs, I'd love to see Emmitt Williams be a Jayhawk, and it seems like he will be a priority. Gordon if he decommits of course. For a center if Self wants a true center I think McCormack would be a good multi-year get, though he isn't exactly in the Bill Self mold.
*I am assuming for the purposes of this discussion that Newman, Preston and Doke all go pro. Any of them coming back changes the equation immensely.
BeddieKU23 said:
Baylor snags another 7 footer.
Leonard Allen, Older brother of Jarrett Allen.
Not nearly as good for anyone wondering.
Marial Shayok. Used to be at UVA. Not sure what went sideways there. Sit one to play one. He will very likely be a starter for them in that year.
Shayok to ISU
Yep. Self definitely did it again, more or less. KU had shown Preston interest as early as the 8th grade iirc, so he was a nice fallback. I'm not convinced he'd be a Jayhawk if Ayton picked KU.
If he puts up Monk numbers I will eat a shoe. Also I would argue many of those UK players would have the same NBA career if they had not gone to UK. UK has their share of failures too. It's a numbers game. When you get more 5 stars, more will pan out.
Dedric and Preston would be insane offensively, but would give up so much to any good low post scorer. Interesting if it happens, but I don't think it will.
It would have been nice to get two 5 star bigs, but given the way it went with Cheick, Cliff etc...and Doke still being on the roster, that seems like a pretty tough sell.
Assuming the other one is TFerg. That whole thing was a mess. I believe at the end of the day if he would have been eligible he would have been at KU.
As for Avery, it's put up or shut up time for him. If Braxton Key comes back the line-up is Sexton, Ingram, Petty, Key, and then Giddens or Reece. You HAVE to make the NCAA with that.
I don't think Bolden stays if Bamba were going to Duke.
I can definitely see only having 4 eligible guards in the first semester being an issue. It would be nice to have another guard that can play, even if it's only in spot minutes.
I think another post player is the more pressing need. Not because of the numbers as 4 quality post players would be fine but Doke is still very young, Preston is talented but mercurial and a frosh, Coleby is a foul machine and Mitch could use a RS year.
Yeah I read the same on Jackson. The staff basically ignored all other post targets in favour of Ayton. We see how that went...
It's not that Preston was a bad scramble get, but Jackson is def better imo.
And yeah seems like Self is recruiting as if Preston is OAD.
Seems like Bowen could end up at Creighton.
Agree about Trent, he is a beast.
I prefer Garrett to Brown, assuming it was either or and Brown sticks to being an OAD. Garrett appears to be a hard worker and Brown thinks he is a PG.
Totally agree on Sims. Should be a solid college player, but #34? MEH
From everything I've read, Preston thinks he is OAD (and compares himself to Lebron). He is also quite old for his class (he will be 20 before he plays a game for KU). I'd love to see him for more than one year in a KU jersey but imo if that happens, it's because he had a really bad FR year and even then he could go anyway.
Combo guard is kind of a buzz word*. They have Garrett classified as such. I don't think he will ever play PG for KU. For example next year I don't think we see him, Cunliffe and Vick on the floor at the same time. I do think he is fine to play the off guard under Self, and isn't strictly a wing. Should be a player that in time, you feel comfortable with initiating plays for the offense.
*At least 247 tries though. Scout updated theirs today as well and they have Garrett listed as a SF, and #67 overall.
Imo 247 and Rivals are the best.
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Sexton is number 3 wow. I remember when KU first showed interest, he was pretty much unranked.
Jaren Jackson into the top 10. He was one I was hoping KU would target, but obviously that didn't happen as the focus was on Ayton, then scrambling and taking Preston. He is going to be special under Izzo, imo.
Some Kentucky bumpage. Definitely deserved for Vanderbilt, who is a player I was hoping KU would get, but once UK got heavily involved that ship sailed. Not as sure about SGA, admittedly I didn't look too much into him since KU wasn't involved, but that's a huge jump, and probably a bit of UK factor there.
Lonnie Walker inched towards the top 10 and ended at #13. Oddly, he chose an irrelevant program.
Billy Preston drops 2 to #21.
Garrett stayed about the same. Not convinced they saw much of him. Same thing with Garrison Brooks, felt he should have rose up a bit, but he fell 11 spots. Time will tell on these.
It seems like taking transfers is a good way to have a kid on the bench to practice and get better, while they aren't complaining about playing time. It's pretty hard to actually fill out a roster of 13 players that are actually good without complaints about playing time and being a transfer risk themselves if they don't play enough.
As for Charlie Moore, he played on the same AAU team as the Jacobs bros. Could be a factor. Assuming Duval to Duke, I don't hate it. Presumably it's between Moore and Allen for the last guard scholarship. The only issue it does present is a very thin back court to start the season provided Svi is gone. Garrett would be forced into 20+ mpg.
Yeah that was out there. Last I read Duke people were still adamant he was there, but I haven't been checking. Think it's pretty clear he ends up at Duke. Too much smoke.
Rumour/internet scuttlebutt is that Duval was at Duke today making his commitment video. It's very messy, deleted tweets etc... Duke people are very steadfast that he visited today.
I feel extremely confident that the interior will be better.
Yeah my man, the staff is just doing their due diligence. I don't think any of those players are kids that end up at KU. Like @BeddieKU23 said it never hurts to kick the tires. It's still quite early for the 18 class of course.
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Yeah the term embargo is a bit tough. Now, sometimes it does play a direct factor, like Tatum cutting KU early. It goes the other way too. Even though it didn't work out, Adidas helped with Bragg.
Roy had kids that were perceived OADs/in the OAD ranking range that stayed. It's hard to account for that. Bridges should have been OAD and is staying at MSU. Doesn't seem to happen for KU. I would say not only can you win w/o OADs, it's probably an advised strategy. 2012 Kentucky and 2015 Duke are the exceptions so far.
I would agree with that, but it seems the KU coaching staff doesn't. Looks like they will continue to chase OADs based on early reports with the 2018 class.
Yeah, Mitch counts, but Mason and Graham don't? Kinda funny. Of course if you use 247, Mason and Graham were both top 100 at the time of commitment.
Guessing transfers don't count either, but KU just recently has got Newman, Cunliffe and the Lawsons. Four more top 100 type talents.
I'd say probably some of both. Self took the Lawsons after all.
Too crowded for Juiston. He wants minutes.
I would guess KU will offer Brooks if Tilmon picks MIZ.
Oh and MS reporting that KU is pretty much OUT of the Juiston recruitment.
This is a very valid point. Evaluating JUCOs is pretty much a crapshoot.
I should have been clearer. If Self gets mad at Doke, Coleby isn't the kind of player that he really wants to put out there for a long stretch. Tilmon is the only player left on the radar that could change that equation and cause a murkier roster situation. Juiston is a wing (that would play PF) and Brooks would be a clear depth and develop signing like Allen.
Can't shoot, perfect Bill Self 4 man. :laughing: Jokes aside, if Preston had Juiston's motor he'd probably not be at KU...
@BeddieKU23 said in Crootin Thread III, Wherein Some Players Probably Commit to KU:
He's 6'10 and a pretty decent athlete. Gets a lot of his points off dunks/put-backs. Has some rim protection ability with his long arms/athleticism. Has some range on his shot, can make an open 17 footer or 3 with time (takes a while to shoot and come down).
Reminds me a lot of Landen Lucas really although not as bulky as Landen was.
Yeah, at this point he'd be a take. I'd say #1 Tilmon, #2 Juiston, #3 Brooks in terms of priority. That's just my opinion on it.
I would say based on when he signed and his ranking at the time he could easily be the steal of the class. When KU locked him down, he was really only getting looks from some of the Texas schools iirc. If he had waited, he would have got more big offers imo.
Long arms help on D, but yeah it's mostly effort.
It's possible that KU doesn't even really have a back-up center (hinges on Tilmon) and if that's the case Udoka will have all the minutes he could want. Hopefully he develops nicely.