Perry took the shot that time from the FT line; missed, but got his rebound. I think he'll hit that more than not.
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@Crimsonorblue22 said:
@Bwag Perry has that all game!
Why does he insist in driving closer to the D for a contested 2pt shot versus an open midrange shot?
We had more energy it looked to me with Hunter out there.
Why is Perry not shooting from FT line there? No let's drive into the humungous guy.
Why did Seldon pass up the 3 for a drive in amongst the trees?
@globaljaybird two dumps into him under the basket mishandled.
@globaljaybird just saw that.
Joined late. Looking at the stats, Mickelson is filling up his line:
1 RB, 2 Steals, 1 Block, 1 TO and 1 PF. but 0-2 from the floor.
I live in AR and am subject to the blackout.
@Crimsonorblue22 a turkey sub with avocado, sprouts and salsa in addition to some other normal ingredients.
@jaybate-1.0 You take your analysis to whole other levels.
@VailHawk Yellow Sub a definite winner. Fresh backed bread! Green Turkey, Yum!
@Crimsonorblue22 we moved about 3 1/2 hours away, but get up there couple times a year at this point.
@Crimsonorblue22 We used to like Milton's too. Just noticed it was gone over Thanksgiving. Is the new place similar?
@drgnslayr Like your posts (in general and here in particular) and agree in large part. I think if there had been a little more substitution in the 2nd half of the other Bigs, then we wouldn't be having the discussion. Put them in and see...pull them if it appears the wheels then come off.
Realize the counter to that argument may be that a lack of continuity may screw up the results. But that is part of the point. Test and see in the non-conference portion of the schedule.
Thanks for posting!
Restaurant options we like:
Free State Brewery - lunch or dinner and the beer...good food, great atmosphere
Papa Keno's if NYstyle Pizza is your thing. It's a must stop for me whenever in town (lunch, dinner)
Wheatfields for breakfast...get their biscuits and gravy (depending on appetite get 1/2 or full order...you'll probably be full either way) Buy a loaf of bread while there too to take home. Was featured on the Food Channel.
Munchers bakery - must get Cream Cheese donuts (one of a kind and awesome) Have heard the only reason they weren't patented is so the recipe wouldn't be publicized. Buy a dozen and take home with you..
Encore (new since we moved away) but have had great Chinese meals there every time & my wife is picky about that. Also, you and wife need to go use the bathrooms at the same time while there. Trust me...
@curmudgeonjhwk said:
@jaybate-1.0 "Bad Ball to get some fouls"...I am so glad to see someone finally recognize the purpose of "Bad Ball!"
But does bad ball work against 7'6"? Apparently it has in some games, but seemed some folks ran into him, he stayed straight and then swatted way after the ball had left the shooters hands. Comes down to if we are getting into him on the run (he and us) or if trying while he's in position---then it comes down to how the refs call the game.
Outstanding post HEM and I certainly appreciate the back and forth that the site brings. It is educational to me. I'd be interested in how others might answer these questions about SDSU game, but first, let's clear the deck of the question that has already been discussed:
Would we have won the game with different rotation minutes in the 5? That's already been discussed with I'm sure no one going to agree across the divide.
Here we go:
Did playing JT significant minutes in 2nd half make us a better team?
For the rest of Non-Conference?
For the Conference?
For the Post-Season?
My contention, is we did not become a better team because we did not give game time experience against relatively weak competition on the road. I'm not sure that we have many more road games to get our talent PT experience that aren't in conference. If Self balked against SDSU, what's he going to do on the road against Big12 competition. I will grant that I don't see the improvement and coaching that goes on in practice.
What contributed to the SDSU comeback early in the 2nd half?
Was there an adjustment on Defense by SDSU?
Was there an adjustment on Offense by KU?
What broke the SDSU run?
My thoughts on the matter, and I need to go back to the tape, is that they adjusted post defense from doubling us to playing us straight. Where we tore them up the first half was passing out of the double teams and beating them with ball movement. When we didn't have the open passing, we couldn't beat their length back to the basket or the runners, our passing became eratic and we crumbled until Wayne literally stepped back away from the defense and hit the very deep 3. That broke the spell and followed with his drive, gave us breathing room where we extended the lead. JT played strong and was a net benefit during the game, everyone agrees. Was there something else strategically that he added?
So, better team? What were the dynamics of the 2nd half?
@JayHawkFanToo bu we are FANaticS, so we comment, argue, complain and cheer!
I think HEM's point can't be downplayed. Mari playing time now, comes at a cost that, many of us fear, will be payed later at greater consequence than an early season game against inferior quality apponents.
On top of that, the PER stats he quotes tend to make the case about actual contribution of players on the game and those tend towards Mickeson, Bragg and probably a lesser extent Diallo at this point.
If experience is important, and no one disagrees that it is, then early season games should focus on getting your more talented, but less experienced players more experience in game situations.
But you are right, Coach gets to see the whole picture at both practice and game situations and has to make the call as to where maximum improvement can be made and then live with the results. Truth is us FANaticS "live and die" with those results too.
Merry Christmas all and Rock Chalk.
Can't wait to see Tuesday's game and see how we do against the length of our opponent.
@HawkInMizery said:
I know our young guys need experience but i agree with the decision to let Mari play. He earned those mins last night. He gave us a spark and energy that no one else was giving last night. I do think Cheick should be eating whatever mins LL is getting though.
He played well. We all agree. But what I can't accept, is that the others would not have performed well too.
What concerns me, is we rode the horse too long and now don't know what the others woulda, coulda, shoulda done. We will never know. Pull the guys out and coach them on the sideline on what was/was not happening while they were on the floor. Send them back in and see if they can correct and perform in a pressure situation.
What I think I saw and would like the x/o guys to break down, is that SDSU quit double teaming the bigs and played them straight up, and like we know now from couple years EXPERIENCE, is we don't perform well back to the basket. Now we didn't have the pass out of the double team to open players, creating great ball movement that we saw in the first half, and now all of a sudden, we're making bad throws and driving inot the lane willy nilly missing contested shots.
At this time of the game (early 2nd) Seldon was still sleepwalking from his extended nap on the sideline from the 1st. What broke it open, was Seldon finally pulled out from way deep - not driving into the defense, and hit that 3 pointer. Then drove hit the in close shot and we straightened the ship.
Yes, Mari played strong from there on out, and while critical rebounds etc...not sure once we got untracked, we couldn't have gone back to rotating big guys in and get them experience in THAT atmosphere, THAT critical situation and see if they perform. As I said above, now we will not know. Unless we think that Mari is our long term success-in-March & April guy.
All that, glad we got the win. Wondering if Self is resigned to 5 by committee and ride the horse that's performing, but not sure where, if not done with a finer tuning, if we get where we want to be for tournament readiness. But that's why Self gets the big bucks...and I certainly don't know what the effect of practice will have on development for "short term" players ie. OAD 2AD with talent.
Playing less talented but experienced player for as much as was done, necessarily means your more talented, less experienced players will continue to be so. And this against a team that is up and down.
While the win last night was very important, come March we won't be talking about beating SDSU but we may be talking about how we weren't prepared because our most talented folks underperformed in the tournament and our limited talent folks also just couldn't get it done because...well, just because that is what happens in March, you play all very talented teams with experience.
@Crimsonorblue22 Thanks and you too. Thanks for keeping it on the positive side of the ledger tonight!
Perry Ellis good game except for 5 TO's of our 9 total.
Beat the spread. Will take the win for sure. Can't wait to see the experts break down of the game!
Merry Christmas all.
@globaljaybird said:
@Bwag Diallo got backed down the lane & did not front his man...
Coaching moments, but didn't get enough time on the floor to get more.
Diallo got the block and ran down the floor...we walked it up burning clock.
Dialo in and gets the PF
@SkinnyKansasDude said:
I wish Diallo was playing right now
Time for some other Big's player rotation.
Graham picked pocket there.
Attempt there to execute the elevator play for Greene! not executed well on the elevator doors but Greene laid it off nicely for a dunk. Outside game opening up points in the paint.
@brooksmd said:
San Diego is a dry climate. Why can't we hold onto the ball?
And then that SDSU player slipped on the floor. Probably from the people being on the floor just a while earlier.
@DoubleDD We took a punch or two there at the start of the 2nd.
Seems to me it was Seldon getting going on offensive end that stabalized us.
@Crimsonorblue22 Little breathing room now.
JT hitting his FT"s
@DoubleDD Adn there he is again.
Traylor still getting significant minutes in the 2nd half.
Have we seen Self back off of his statements? I'm not sure what he's seeing and trying to accomplish there.
Would have preferred Seldon deferring to Graham a the top of the key to dish to Seldon, rather than waving him off for Graham to shoot the 3.
Another back to the basket miss
Seldon. Step back further and stroke the 3
@Bwag said:
Did SDSU adjust their defense strategy coming out of the half?
Not double teaming us in the post, playing us straight up and challenging the shooters.
This is where we need some action to free up shooters.
Hey Coach Self, lets run the 1st half offense. Perry scoring with back to the basket isn't our highest % play.
With new rules, shouldn't that have been at least a no call?
@RockChalkinTexas said:
@Bwag Anybody but JT.
Guessing he's playing why?
Cause he went down ont the ground one time to get a loose ball?
Time for Seldon to do something.
So Jamari came in before Bragg here in the 2nd.