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@JayhawkRock78 though it doesn't really matter I'm also white (whatever that is). I grew up on the streets of KC both sides. Spent a lot of time on Strawberry Hill just west of Downtown. As we moved around a lot (we couldn't pay the rent). Some places where better than others, but in the end it was always about surviving. My mother tried so hard.

My first job was sweeping a parking lot at a convenience store. A lot of trucks stopped there and it picked up a lot of dust. So I would sweep and water down the lot. It paid $20 dollars a week, not bad for a 12 year old. :). I was a huge baseball fan at the time yet this store didn't sell baseball cards. So being the hard headed person I was finally convinced the owner (a very nice lady)(after all instead of feeling sorry for me she gave me a job) to stock baseball cards in her shop. She couldn't keep them stocked they where selling so fast. ;). So she gave me a promotion. Not only did I sweep and wet the parking lot but now I would stock the shelves and freezers. Yes my pay increased :).

I left home when I was 15, not out of hate or anything, Just didn't want to be a burden on my beloved mother. I did odd jobs here and there always making enough to get by, and send a little home when I could. As I got older I meant a women that was meaner and tougher than I (A Full blooded Italian women). For some reason she loved and believed in me? You know the saying, behind every great man is a great woman? Well I think it's true, not that I'm great man or anything. It was only after getting and searching for an education that my life began to turn. I knew how to make money, but I didn't know what to do with it? How to budget? How to save? How to plan for the future? How to make my money work for me instead of just working for money?

So I began to invest in real estate. Sure the first purchase was a bitch (excuse my language)(but it was). The second one came a bit easier and so on and so on. Also my skills as an employee improved also. I began to trade up in jobs, income, and experience . I was always looking. I figured if companies and cooperation's are going to do what's best for them, then so am I. When I say I'm the Jack of all trades master of none I mean it. LOL

The topic of being poor gets me a little riled. As so many persons want to feel sorry and right a check so they can sleep at night. Like they solved the problem or something. It's the whole give a man a fish and he can eat for a day, but teach him to fish and he can eat for a life time for me. I'm totally against putting anymore financial burdens on colleges. As I believe they are the Mecca of what makes this country truly great.

Paying players is one thing, but paying their families also. Really?

@Crimsonorblue22 My friend I've learned a lot of hard lessons. I like to think of myself as a late bloomer :). Yes I'm doing quite well. I have no complaints only that I wasn't so hard headed ;). My daughter is headed off to college at either Iowa or KU. I know but Iowa has an excellent language and arts program (I'm still holding out for KU). My future and health benefits are secure.

The biggest problem being poor or growing up poor is everybody feels sorry for you (like you have some kind of a disease). They want to give you charity instead of giving you the tools and education to fend for yourself. The worst thing you can do for a poor person is make them dependent on your charitable donations. Don't get me wrong, I'm not against helping the poor, but if you want to really help them give them a job. There's no feeling like making your own money.

@justanotherfan You don't know me dude. I spent many nights eating out a jar of peanut butter and covered in 4 to 5 blankets because we had no heat. You think I worked at 12 because I wanted to? No sir my mother (God bless her heart) had two other boys. You see sir I grew up fast and hard. I didn't want to be a burden to my mother and my family, so I set out into the world woefully unprepared because I had no father to teach me the ways of life or have my back when I needed it. When life knocked me down (and it has) I got up and knocked off the dust. So please spare me the you're an expert on the poor.

If you want to solve the world's poverty issue then by all means, but don't tell me Colleges should set the players families up in homes and cars because it's the right thing to do. As long as the money is there from the NBA the players will leave for the NBA. As Embiid did. It doesn't matter whether you grew up poor or wealthy. So spare me the ideology that the only reason young men leave for the league early is because of the poverty they and their families come from.

You want to help people? Don't give them welfare, give them a job.

@Wigs2 one problem my friend. Your wanting to make special rules for only certain schools and certain players. That's not fair to other schools and other players.

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@Wigs2 well my friend I grew up quite poor, and my family never demanded that I lead them out of hardship. Never once did they consider me a as their meal ticket, or the way out of poverty.

You keep bringing up Selby, but lets bring up Embiid. He didn't need the money, and wanted to stay. Yet all his advisors said go. So he went.

Bottom line when a young man is looking at millions just by signing on the bottom line, they're gone. Whether it's the right thing to do or not.

So let me ask you this question. What happens when this players don't pay back the money when they don't make it? No really I'm curious. Are the colleges supposed to absorb these costs? You do know that most colleges that participate in sports are in the red? Meaning they are loosing money. And you want to add the burden of supporting these players families on loans that are mostly likely not to be paid back?

It's quite obvious that we have views that are quite different. You feel the being in poverty is a society problem and that we should just throw money at the problem at that will fix it. Yet 90% of all people that when the lottery are worse off than before they won that pile of cash. We could also point to the fact that all those great college players that go pro, Over 60% of them go broke. I grew up poor, but made a decision that I wasn't going to live from paycheck to paycheck. Not to toot my own horn, but I have had a job since I was 12 (well except that time I was laid off after 9/11)(yet within 4 days I had another job), I'm nothing special, just realized no money coming in doesn't pay the bills. I'll shovel cow shit to pay the bills if I have too.

@Wigs2 paying players is a slippery sloop. Is not getting a free education good enough? If a family was poor raising a future NBA star (so rare), then why couldn't they live in poverty for a few more years so their son can not only hit the NBA lottery but have an education to go with it? You know in case the basketball thing doesn't work out? You know as well as I do so few actually make it.

Sorry back on point here. So who's to say that KU offers a player 3,000 a month to come play at KU, and then UK offers that same player 4,000 to come and play? So what happens now? Where is this line? Who looks over this line? Where does it end?

It's not as simple of hey we should pay players in the college game. Maybe if some of these families actually cared about their sons. They wouldn't put pressure on them to skip an education (like they did)(are you seeing the madness yet?), or experience that will last him a life time so that he can chase some lotto money that will leave him broke and his family.

As for borrowing money? What happens if said player doesn't make it? Then what. How this kid supposed to pay back this money that he never earned?

Just my two cents.

@ralster you're in my wheel house. So many people want to make a case of greatness from the success or failure of March Madness.

The reality is the tournament is really a crap shoot. Yes the cream for the most part rises to the top but very seldom does the best team ever wins it. A tough bracket, bad matchup or basically playing a true road game, a team needs a little luck.

@ralster I think it's only natural for a College HC that has been successful as BS to flirt with the NBA. It's only human nature to want to be the best at what you do. So I kind of give HCBS a free pass on having an eye on the NBA.

Not to mention his chosen profession is a tough business. Just look at some of the topics and comments coming down the last few years. Some Jayhawk fans have already begun to chirp about HCBS's tournament success or lack there of. So you see very few Head Coach's stay with one school their whole tenure. Whether it be they were forced out or moving onto something better. It's just the nature of the business.

HCBS is at the pinnacle of College Basketball. There really is no other place for him to go in the college game. In this day an age of greed and down sizing just for the sake of profits every person no matter what profession should be looking around. (just in case).

Having said all this and that. I believe HCBS will never leave KU unless a perfect situation comes along, or some code of conduct is broken that can't be forgiven. Which I believe is impossible. As perfection is not practical unless we are speaking in the terms of the divine (God), and HCBS has a track record of not crossing those taboo lines that send you on the walk of shame.

It is my belief that HCBS will do, with much research and soul searching what it best for him and his family. He will dream and plan just like everybody else. Yet in the end reality and common sense will keep him at KU.

Just my two cents.

@drgnslayr that's kind of what I thought also. Yet I guess my question is? What would it take for the fans and brass of KU to start looking for another coach. How many get out of jail free cards has HCBS earned? Would a scandal like the UNC Roy Williams be enough? or how many losing seasons would it take? Would a lack of tournament success be the nail in the coffin?

*Just for the record I'm not advocating getting rid of our beloved HCBS, as I hope he finishes his days as KU's head coach.

@nuleafjhawk of course it's just crazy talk to think KU would go defeated in any one season. However taking a rather boring article and mining it for a nugget or two. This was the best I could come up with. LOL

I wasn't sure how to take this point of view? At first I was like no way would KU faithful put up with a defeated season, then I thought you know the Jayhawks have only had like 8 coaches (correct me if I'm wrong) in their history. Curious to what you guys think?

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He's pretty smooth HEM. Ok count me in.

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Man I've got to quit posting while drinking. :p

Talk about butchering the English language. I'm not even sure spell check could've of saved me. B|

@JayHawkFanToo good point (very good point). However tell me you wouldn't be licking your chops if Embiid stayed another year? Problem is or the fact of reality is that the NBA ruins great basketball players (but that's another topic).

OK so I'll delve a little into it. This whole OAD is the worst thing for a basketball player. Yea they get paid, but too often they never reach their full potential talent. The NBA being the professional game is also an unforgiven game.

I bet you could name more players than I that could've used more time in college to develop their game.

Embiid had a rare combination of talent and skills, however I'm afraid the NBA will destroy him. You know not good enough equals trade, trade, trade, trade, and trade. Not good for the self confidence, but hey he's a millionaire. :(

Bskeet how am I supposed to respond when you wield that kind of power? :) LOL No I don't think your reading too much into it. Actually I think your on to something. ;)

I couldn't even fav your response.

@bskeet Do you think Calipari is shooting for Coach K's job?

YES

Do you think I'm reading too much into it?

@jayhawkbychoice yea but even that 08 team had like 4 combo guards, and three bigs with Cole getting some spot minutes (though UNC would disagree LOL). ;)

@jayhawkbychoice Well that depends? Now I'm going to share something with you I never voiced (yet always wondered). I'm starting to believe (the jury is still out in my warped mind) that a heavy talented team does more harm than a team that has a good five starters and a good sixth man. (talking tournament time here). It seems to me that teams with a lack of bench and only have a good starting five or star player do better in tournament time. As that team knows where there bread is buttered. I have no facts to back my claim.

I think you make a solid point but I'm not sure where the proof is? You'll have to excuse me as I've drinking a few. It's my Friday. :)

@jayhawkbychoice I know this will sound crazy, but I think this upcoming version of KU basketball will be better than last years version that included once in a life time type players like Embiid and Wiggs.

The reason being is this team will be a year older, and actually have 3 players that can play the point way better than Tharpe. I have nothing against Tharpe but I will never forget when he passed the ball to Embiid (who got double teamed)(imagine that) only to be surprised when the ball was passed back to him. A pass that hit him in the face. Really?

Like I previously posted I think this team is in HCBS wheel house. Enough returning talent that the Newbies don't have to stress being the stars, or winning the game. This to me makes a world of difference. Our talented newbies can just go out and play their game. I like. :)

@JayHawkFanToo Embiid couldn't be replaced. He's a once in a life type player, even more so than Wiggs (and Wiggs was quite special). In some ways having Wiggs and Embiid really hurt the team concept of KU last season. Do you understand what I'm saying?

@globaljaybird Don't underestimate TMZ. Ask Ray Rice about them. ;) No I know what your saying. Personally I don't really have a problem with it, but I thought it would make for an interesting topic. :)

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@jayhawkbychoice it's alright to analysis a situation and come to some conclusions. However keep in mind some things are just what they are.

Could a better game plan be had in the Stanford game? Sure, but it's easy to come to that conclusion looking back after time as passed. It's the old we could've of done this or done that point of view. However in the heat of the moment things aren't so clear.

I also want to say that you don't coach an Embiiid type player. You either have one or you don't. No amount of coaching is going to replace just the mere presence of Embiid stepping on the court. His size, wing span, athletic ability changes the whole game, and that's with him not even touching the ball. This is not coaching it's just a reality.

Now we both could make a case that HCBS could do more or less in how he coaches. We are fans and it is quite easy to nitpick and see things that are only obvious to us. I for one think HCBS doesn't lean on his bench as much as he should. However I don't walk in his shoes and all I can say is the guy is quite accomplished and successful. Think of it like this. If HCBS would've could've of knocked off UK in that championship game. He would be considered the best HC in the game hands down. Throw in another Championship some were and they would be building statues and putting his name with the great Wizard of Westwood.

My friend the line between being really good and greatness is always moving. Almost to the point I guy needs a little luck to get over it. Either way very few in this world even get to see that line, however HCBS has seen that line and that line flirts with HCBS it wants him. Say what you want about HCBS but remember this he's knocking on the door of greatness.

Ok I'm jumping in.

Couple of things here. One KU was a very (and I mean very young team) last year. Two KU had a very key injury with Embiid. Coaching can fix that. :(

Last but not least KU played a killer schedule last year.

Hope is not lost though. As KU only lost two player last year to the league. Meaning this team is a year older and shouldn't have to depend on OAD's to save the day. Not to say Oubre and The thunder Alexander won't be studs, it's just the game shouldn't hang in the balance and on their shoulders.

In my opinion this upcoming KU team has the right balance of incoming and returning players. Meaning the newbies can struggle a little and not cost KU victories.

Gentleman no coach is perfect. HCBS has his flaws. (not giving bench players a little more time on the floor). However as the old saying goes I trust in Self. I believe somebody had spoken about HCBS coming into his own. I believe this might be the season.

or Bruce can have a press conference and admit he has a man crush on HCBS. :)

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I just don't see CF getting the nod at PG. That's not to say he won't get some spot duty at the position. However keep in mind HCBS wasted no time going after Graham when he reopened his recruitment. There is a reason for that. Besides that I'm not sure the PG position fits CF's skill set or game. Don't get me wrong he takes care of the ball, and his more willing to pass the ball to the open man. However that's just it, a PG is a play maker. They get the ball moving, they get into the lane, they make something happen. Conner seems more of a steady player that can calm the game when it's getting crazy. The Kid that comes of the bench and ignites a fire when the offense is stagnant.

@jaybate-1.0 a blast from the past. :)

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@Crimsonorblue22 Thanks a lot, now I can't go back and edit. ;)

Welcome aboard. Don't be to in Awe, ok some of these Jayhawks (was going to say cats but that just didn't seem right ;) ) are pretty cool. Just speak your mind. Some will beat you up and some will rush to defend you. In the end it all makes for interesting conversation.

@nuleafjhawk I have a bit of a problem with K-state. It's great they have had some wonderful success on the grid-iron as of late. However lets keep some things in prospective here.

They caught lighting in a bottle when they found Mister Snyder, as he might be the best at ever running a football team. What happens when the old boy hangs it up for good, or will the Wildcats demand he coach until he dies? They completely sucked before his arrival and when he left briefly they fell from the ranks of respectability like a hot potato falling through my hands when I was to drunk to use tongues to pick them up off the grill.

Also this new BB coach who I don't care to mention his name, has no respect for KU or HCBS. When in fact his only really claim to fame was coaching HCBS's players to a final four.

I know as KU fans we don't really see the Wildcats as a rival, but I don't like them.

If Svi was on any other team he mostly likely starts. However he's playing for KU and lets face it they are loaded. He has a lot questions marks I'm not sure that can be answered very quickly.

Maybe I'm wrong but his shot seems slow to me. Like it takes some time to develop or something? He also takes a lot of contested shots.

However the kid has one of the best ball fakes (a lost art) I've seen in some time. It's like he can ball fake with his eyes. Also as somebody already said ( I think it was Jaybate) He has a court awareness that can't be taught. The dude likes to jump passing lanes. That's not something you can teach. You either have or you don't.

Either way I think Svi sees playing time. How much? Depends on how much his offense game comes around. Yet lets not forget HCBS loves playing defense.

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I hugely appreciated this feed being posted. Thanks. But could we change the title of this thread to "building up Svi" instead of breaking down Svi? 😄

Point taken. :)

Name is changed. ;)

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I couple of things stood out to me. He seems to have a delay or hitch in his shot, settles for too many contested shots, and struggles to finish around the rim.

The positive the kid can get to the rim, and likes to jump the passing lanes. Says high IQ type player.

So what do we think KU fans?

@Statmachine count me in on BG. If he can get rid of that quick hook HCBS has on him. The sky is the limit. I like the kids swagger. I'm not sure the kid cracks the starting line up though?. Yet if there was a bench player from last year's team that could, it has to be Brannen Greene.

@brooksmd I know a guy who I have had a beer with many times, that has a cousin, that knows a girl, who's married to his brother, who has to two kids that call him uncle, that makes my ammo for me. Shss don't tell anybody. ;)

@JayHawkFanToo is like a hit man. Just when you think your safe bam. He's got you. ;)

Lawrence-What are Kansas football fans supposed to do with a game like this?

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Hey a win is a win. After all we could of lost. :)

@ralster I'm afraid that CF 3% woes were a direct reflection of HCBS in how he handles Freshman. You can make a case for BG also. How many times did HCBS bring them in to hit a big shot only to bring out he hook when the shot didn't fall?

@jaybate-1.0 I was pretty sure about approxinfinity, had no idea about bskeet. I thank you approxinfinity and bskeet for your sacrifice and if there is anything I can do? Please let me know. I'm a jack of all trades master of none ;). As I think you may have started a revolution with KU's name on it.

@Crimsonorblue22 I'm afraid so my friend. ;)

As most of you already know KU has been instrumental in just about everything basketball. It was the nursery as basketball was in it's infancy. It watched over the game as it grew and spawned the idea of actually coaching, and teaching the game. It was respectful and thoughtful enough to realize that just picking a champion (east coast basis) (some things never change) was not the best way, and was very instrumental in a tournament (looking out for the game) deciding a true champion. As the game grew KU decided that a party or celebration was in order to show it's love for the game. Late Night was born and the seed was planted. Now a plethora of schools have followed suit. KU has been in the forefront of all things basketball since it's inception. Has that time come again?

With the advancement of technology and social media has come new doors for advertisements to open and make your experience almost hateful. So many sites demand you have a facebook account to just respond. They ask you silly questions like what kind of underwear do you wear, or what do you stick up your ass when your alone. (Sorry about that one) You get my point though. How many fans don't even share their voice because of this hassle?

I'm so glad and feel so lucky to have found KUbuckets. I don't have to answer silly questions about whether I'd buy this or shove this up my ----. LOL. I don't have to have a facebook account to talk about my beloved Jayhawks. My question is KU Buckets the game changer that all fans and not just KU fans have been looking for? Is this the new concept that KU Jayhawks add to the game. A place where fans can come and talk basketball without answering advertisement questions (yes I wanted to say ass again) and having some membership to a social media site?

If this is that moment? What could we do to make this site even better or spawn more sites like it? Could we offer a blueblood section? Where the bluebloods come to argue whose the best? or how do we let more KU fans (as they are everywhere) know there is KUBuckets a place where KU fans can come engage with like minded fans? I would love to here you ideas. BTW I have nothing but respect for those that have created KUBuckets. It's the first site I look at when I turn on my computer. I just thought it would be an interesting topic and the new concept that KU adds to the game.

@HighEliteMajor Actually Hem I'm stealing a page out of your book. Thinking back over the years of the previous players that have came and went. It seems a pattern has developed with some exceptions of course. Freshman seem to only see the court for solid minutes if they can man up on the defense side of the ball.

I could be wrong on Svi, but I just don't see the guy lighting it up on the offense side of the ball his first year. To much to learn in a short time, and KU is really loaded with guys that can put the ball in the hoop. I would concur with you that his second year very well could be the classic breakout year. Of course I'm not against him being the master of disaster on the court with dead eye passing, and shooting laser guided jump shots from three land. However I just don't see it. As you (the voice of reason) always say the kid is a freshman, and young freshman at that.

However to quote you, "he is a tall, athletic guard. And Self has the hots for him". That says a defense stopper to me. I can't explain, but "I feel it in my bones" ;)

@jaybate-1.0 You have a brilliant mind and the ability to express what you want to say. However sometimes you over think things. Svi is going to be on the court because of his height. When the opposing team is hitting from trey land. HCBS is going to look down his bench for someone to play defense, and who will his eyes meet?

As for this up and coming season look for the unknown. As you were saying HCBS is heading into his wiser or golden years of coaching basketball. He knows this team can't play the defense he wants. I expect to see this team run like no other. (Which favors Mason) In some of HCBS comments he made the remark this team will be fast and that we might have to do some things differently as we really don't have a rim protector.

Whether people want to acknowledge or not this current KU team is loaded. However Svi is going to see some playing time. (I feel it in my bones) ;)

@jaybate-1.0 I'm in your camp on this one. Like you said you can't teach height. Now don't get me wrong I'm not making claims of stardom for Svi, but the kid is going to see some playing time.

@drgnslayr you nailed it. The ball fake a lost art.

OK let me say I'm sorry in advance of this post (I've been drinking), yet I have to get something off my chest here. (Hope I don't kill the thread)

Some of you KU fans have said that you would trade KU's 10 consecutive conference championships for UConn's recent success. Still some of you have even took it a step further and mocked those KU fans that were happy with 10 consecutive conference championships and the Big 12. You talked about how the Big 12 sucks as a basketball conference and all these others conferences where better. You said look at UConn, and wouldn't you want to be like UConn? Wouldn't your trade the last ten years for UConn's success?

Not me I don't want UConn's trophies. I want what ever the Jayhawks give me. Sure I want to win championships, but championships don't define the Jayhawks for me. To me the Jayhawks are like the creator and the guardian of the game basketball. Jayhawk History can't be denied. We have the inventor of the game as our first coach, and we have the father or inventor of Coaching as the name of the place the Jayhawks play their games. The Jayhawks have a coaching tree that reaches further and in more directions than even Kevin Bacon in his plethora of movies (that one is kind of close :) ). We had a US president comment on our Rock chalk chant. Sure there has been great disappointment but that has been great success also.

When I argue with UK fans, and UNC fans, and UCLA fans, and Hoosier fans, Duke fans, about who is the greatest of all time. They argue the number of wins, and championships, and final 4 appearances and so on. I sit there quietly and let them make their case, and then I ask them one simple question. Who has done more to advance the game? Who has giving more to the game of basketball? There is always a silence, then the question comes what do you mean? Then I pounce. What great coaches have you created? What average players did you make great? What contribution have you made to the game of basketball?

My friends KU is more than just winning championships. KU has always giving more to the game than it has taken. ( a tear is coming from my eye) KU is basketball. Without KU who knows what basketball would be today.

For you that are still not convinced I promise you that UConn would give up half their championships right now to be in a power five conference. You might say KU is lucky to be in a power conference, but I promise you the Big 10 will take KU in a new York minute. Now why? Because of the Jayhawks on the hard floor and their contribution to the game we all love. Everybody and anybody will sit down and watch a KU game.

@HighEliteMajor I do think HCBS stayed with Tharpe two long. However I'm not sure it had anything to do with Conference or National implications. It seems to me that HCBS is just that kind of coach. To stick with a player giving them every chance to succeed. Well his starters anyways.

Maybe I'm wrong or overlooking something here. I know there is always exceptions to the rule. Yet I do believe HCBS does indeed put the best players on the court from game to game. That every time KU steps on the floor they try to win that game regardless of Conference or National implications.

I understand the concept of going with a player to give that player some seasoning and giving the team a better chance to win down the road (tournament time). Sacrificing today for tomorrow if you will, but n HCBS defense how many teams can role out their bench and have a top 25 team? It's more like next man up.

To be honest with you one of my biggest grips with HCBS is that I feel he yanks the bench players to quickly. To me this hurts our tournament chances. For one the player feels they can't make a mistake, and two such player never really gets a chance to overcome his fears or his mistakes. Which is where I believe confidence comes from.

Now if you're saying that maybe HCBS stays with a player to long when the obvious choice is an upcoming bench player, then I guess a point can be made. However don't forget HCBS had no problem swapping Embiid for Black in the starting lineup.

Having a conversation about HCBS and what he does and should do as a coach is a very valid topic. One that I more than happy to listen to and even engage in, if I feel that I have something to offer. However all this talk about trading 10 conferences championships for 3 NC, or trading KU's success for UConn's is just child play and wishful thinking. That's like wishing in one hand and crapping in the other. Wander which one will fill up first?

It's all a setup. KU has the SEC right where they want them. The SEC thinks they'll be getting a cupcake, yet in reality they'll be getting a fudge cake. The rise of KU football starts now. ;)

@justanotherfan dude if you think buying championships is the way to go, then by all means trade in your jerseys every few years to follow the money. Just don't be upset when a star player leaves your team to get more money. That's all they are is a hired gun, but maybe that's what you want?

Me myself I would rather have a player drafted, watch them grow, over come the ups and down. It's like I'm invested with that player. Alas as the money grows you will get what you want. The money teams will always play for championships and the rest will just be the minor leagues.

You say the Heat was quite the success. UM, I'm not so sure? If my memory serves me correctly that Heat team was supposed to be the best of all time. Didn't even LeBron make some comment of 7 championships? Yet they did win two (got lucky on one), but they do have one of the worst beat downs in NBA finals history. Just saying.