I wish my words and thoughts could change things for him but unfortunate they cannot...:( :( :(
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I have a hunch that much like Yao Ming, his career will be very good but very short due to his foot issue.
I never said the NCAA was suing any one; I simply indicated that Eubanks was suing American Heritage HS.
Again, Our Savior cannot certify transcript from American Heritage, only American Heritage can certify transcripts from American Heritage.
Our Savior simple passed along the two "certified" transcript it received from American Heritage. Apparently Our Savior received the original "certified" transcript with GPA of 2.5, then Our Savior receive a second "corrected' and "certified" transcript with GPA of 2.37. When Baylor saw the discrepancy and requested a transcript from American Heritage, it produced a third "certified" transcript with a GPA of 2.29. The fact that there were three "certified" transcripts from American Heritage would indicate a problem with them. The NCAA has a problem with the transcripts (plural) from American Heritage and not with the one from Our Savior. Seems pretty clear to me..
The fact that Our Savior included both "certified" transcripts it received from American Heritage would indicate they were providing all the information they had available and they were not hiding anything...don't you think?
Adding to my previous post, Our Savior CANNOT certify the transcripts from American Heritage, all it can do is to include them with the transcripts of the classes Eubanks took at Our Savior...those it can certify.
I hope things start getting better for Joel...he has been through a lot.
You need to read the article.....
"The suit alleges that when Eubanks left American Heritage, the school certified a transcript sent to Our Savior that stated his GPA was 2.5. A second transcript, sent later to Eubanks’ new school said that he had a 2.37 GPA, a number which Eubanks alleges was altered by American Heritage.
When Baylor requested all of Eubanks’ transcripts to verify his enrollment, the fact that there were two transcripts on file with differing GPAs prompted an NCAA inquiry.
The suit claims that after the inquiry American Heritage lawyers informed Eubanks that it would only certify a transcript in which his GPA was 2.29, leaving Eubanks short of the NCAA minumum standard for scholarship freshmen."
The entire problem is due to transcripts from American Heritage and not from Our Savior and this is why Eubanks is suing American Heritage and not Our Savior.
Few things in life are that black and white.
Here is what likely happens when schools look into a prospect.
Coach Self: How are your grades? Any issues we should be concerned about?
Prospect: I am doing well coach, here is my report card. You can see that I attend classes and get good grades.
Coach Self: Coach X, how is YYY doing on the court and academically?
HS Coach: He is doing great, he is a team player, practices hard and does not get into trouble. His grades are good otherwise he would not be playing. The reports I get from his adviser are that his grades are good and that he is fully eligible to play sports at our school and in our district.
Coach Self: Mr. Adviser, I would like to know how student YYY is doing academically and socially?
Academic Adviser: Obviously because of privacy laws I cannot show you his personal file but I can tell you that he is doing fine, both academically and socially and if his grades would not be good, he would not be playing varsity sports.
Coach Self: Any potential issue I should know that would jeopardize his eligibility to play Division I sports?
Academic Adviser: All his paperwork is in order, some of it is from his native country but the transcripts look good and we don't see anyrseason why he would not qualify, but as you know the NCAA has its own way of looking at things.
Coach Self: Is there any thing that could come back to bite us?
Academic Adviser: Obviously I cannot guarantee anything since the NCAA has the final word, but that is true for all prospect and not only foreign students. Without revealing any information, I can tell you that I don't see any reason why he would not qualify.
Coach Self: Mr. Z, as student YYY guardian in this country, are you aware of any issue, academically or otherwise, of anything else at all that could be a problem down the road?
Guardian: We have been very careful that nothing is done that would jeopardize this young man's future, We make sure he goes to school and completes assignments and we monitor his grades and if there is anything else at all...we get a call from school and even minor issues are resolved quickly before they becomes problems. I can't think of anything else we could do to insure he is on the right track. You are welcome to visit with all of us at home and you will see that he is in a really good environment and he gets all the family support he needs to succeed not only in HS but also at the next level.
As you know, because of privacy laws, there is very little information other than in broad terms that can be disclosed about a student by the school. I am sure Coach Self and his associated talk to other coaches at all levels, read the trade publications, follow blogs, twitter posts and are aware of any rumors about specific students.
What else would you suggest Coach Self does in the way of due diligence? Short of hiring someone to break into the school and take a peek at the student records and investigate anyone related to the student, there is really not much else he can do...legally, and even then, the record probably looks good and in many cases, the student does not even know there is a problem until the NCAA says there is a problem.
Yes and no, KU has had several foreign players with no issues, Embiid Wiggins, Svi, all of them in the last couple of years come to mind, all of them with part of the HS course work completed in other countries. According to USBasket.com "there are 3,428 foreigners, who have been playing pro and college basketball in the U.S. in last 5 years," so the great majority of them go though with no issues and assuming a foreign players will have no issue is not unrealistic.
By all accounts Diallo is a good student with no history of academic issues/red flags, i.e. multiple schools. and every major program including Kentucky and Duke (and ISU from our own Big 12) recruited Diallo and none backed off because none saw any indication of potential issues.
Look at the Eubanks situation. Apparently his original transcript had one GPA and subsequent transcripts showed up later with lower GPAs and long after he had committed to Baylor and he ended up having to go to a prep school for a year. These are things that regardless of how much due diligence you do, you cannot find out until the NCAA gets involved. Even local player Rush was not cleared until September...it happens....Alexander was late qualifier as well, if I recall correctly. Frankly, I would worry more about a top prospect from a big city with zero interest in academics and with a tunnel vision leading to the NBA.
Most "basketball factory" schools do not even have a building and are basically a 4-year traveling team and students take classes at different schools, like Oubre did at Findley Prep, or even Labissiere (who has not been cleared either but he has other issues not related to academics). By all indications, Our Savior is not that type of school since it has it own campus with several hundred students in grades K-12...not quite what you normally associate with a basketball factory type school.
My guess is that Diallo will get cleared some time in September.
More like light slap on the wrist...
No basketball post graduate from KU from what I can tell.
From Wikipedia. Christian Moody graduated in 2013 with a medical degree from the University of Kansas School of Medicine and is currently an orthopedic surgery intern. Tyrell Reed began classes in the summer of 2012 and is on course to graduate with his fellow students in May 2015 with a Doctor of Physical Therapy degree.University of Kansas Medical Center in Kansas City, Kansas.
Many other players with graduate degrees including Lawrence attorney Al Lopez who played in the team that lost to UTEP.
There is huge difference between the NCAA "rejecting" the transcripts, in other words saying that they are not valid or the NCAA indicating that the course taken do not meet the requirements or that the student simply did not take the number of core credits required by the NCAA. One would indicate that the school is doing something shady or the courses it offers are not up to standards and the other would indicate that he student simply did not take the number of core credit that the NCAA requires.
As far as Kobie Eubanks, he only played his senior year at Our Savior and his issue is related to his previous HS and Our Savior played no part on that and its transcript did not get rejected by the NCAA, the one(s) from his previous HS were. Here is a link ↗ that outlines the issue and as far as I know, Our Savior has had no other players turned down by the NCAA.
Again, I will try to find the link to the story that indicates that the issue with Diallo is his overseas transcript and not the Our Savior transcript. Anyone that has attended HS overseas knows that the transcripts need to be certified by the State Department (mine were) and many times they are unable to do so because the grading used in other countries is quite different...sometimes from one year to the next. Oftentimes the State Department simply states they are unable to certify and advise schools to admit the student, provided the school's ACT/SAT requirements are met and see how the student performs the first year.
There is ZERO evidence that Coach Self knew of any potential issues.
Yes and no. Bird signed a 5 year contract that paid him $650k per year starting in 1979 (he was selected in 1978 ) and he was the highest paid rookie ever. Now the top rookie makes close to $5M. So yes there were different times but inflation has not increased that much. According to the inflation calculator, $650k in 1979 would be the equivalent of $2.1M now...a long ways from $5M
Simple answer. MONEY. KU was a Nike school and switched to Adidas because it got a much better deal and currently has one of the better deal in college sports...when you factor that the football program, typically the big money maker, is irrelevant and the contract is based almost uniquely on the success of the basketball program.
Very few of the professional shoe endorsers justify the payment they receive based on sales of the shoe they endorse. This article from Forbes ↗ is is interesting.
I imagine that because of the perimeter we have and being under the impression that he was a 2016 prospect, the interest was there but the "urgency" not quite there yet. The squid lucked out big time.
No Kentucky involved. Human nature being what it is makes us think that we are not as well off as other people when in reality we are much better ff. The septic part portion is a tribute to the late...and great Erma Bombeck, a real American Treasure.
He showed up huge in the "big" game again the USA at the Pan American Games and won that game for Canada almost single handedly; he will be a load in March...
So, it was a 10....was that on 0-100 scale? :D
Nothing...that midnight madness won't cure... :) :) :)
You are right. Ejim had signed with a German team for the upcoming season but after an impressive Summer League stint he signed a training camp deal with Orlando, just a couple of days ago,
Both Maynor and Sander were recruited by Grant and not Smart. As far as Hoiberg, it is likely that Ejim, Niang, Kane and other recruits of his will be in the NBA in the near future.
Murray was 2016 recruit that reclassified for 2015 (much like Lagerald Vick) and the squid lucked out...big time...I believe most schools were caught off guard with Murray...again, a lot like Vick and KU
Skal issues are not related to grades, they involve his guardian asking AU coaches how to make money with or off Skal. Skal's guardian created a school where he played basketball (basically a traveling basketball team) but his coursework was done at a regular school.
It looks that way but all schools have the same issues when it comes to student-athletes; we are just more familiar with those associated with KU. Unfortunately, not all student-athletes are like Perry Ellis, Valedictorian of his HS class. A good number of the top recruits (obviously not all) are academically marginal since they see their future in pro-sports and academics come second. The basic NCAA requirement are not particularly high at all and the average HS graduate should not have any problem meeting them.
Yes, that is the case 98% of the time and applicable to the majority of candidates. However, all schools have outreach programs that allow student that otherwise would not qualify to be admitted under hardship conditions; many athletes are accepted under these programs.
...because the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence...or over the septic tank.
A lot of the hype about Maryland is based on Melo Trimble dominating and being the best PG in college. I saw him play a couple of times at the NCCA tournament and I saw him at the Pan American games and maybe I have not seen him at his best, but from what I have seen, I am not particularly impressed; Murray looked 10 times better than him. I think Mason is also a much better PG than Trimble.
It is a chicken and the egg thing. Is his system designed because he could not get top players?...or did top players not go to VCU because of his system? Interesting. His predecessor recruited 2 players that made it to the NBA in 3 years and Smart recruited one NBA player in 6 years even after his win over KU. VCU has been playing for 3 years now in the 7th ranked A-10 conference (that sent as many teams to the dance last year as the PAC 12) and it did not seem to have improved his recruiting any.
I still think that if he continues to play the same style...and I don't know how he can do it wit the plodding bigs he has at Texas, many of the top recruits will pass and go play for system that more closely resembles NBA play.
I believe you are correct. Obviously, the more we dig into it the more details that can be added but I was trying to keep it pretty simple. Mudiay was admitted to SMU without any problems but could not get past the NCAA.
Like I said, there is so little information that it is impossible to know for sure what is going on. I will see if I can find the link that indicated that Diallo's issues were mostly relate to his course work broad.
The school has the final say on whether to admit a student or not; the NCAA cannot and does not tell schools who they can or cannot admit. However, the NCAA does have the final say on whether that student can participle in NCAA sanctioned sports.
Actually it is the opposite. Most every schools have outreach programs that allow them to admit students that would not normally qualify and the only chance of succeeding in college is taking a reduced classwork with heavy tutoring. The NCAA wants to make sure that student-athletes are capable of carrying a minimum class load in addition to the time and effort required by the sport, since it is a requirement to remain eligible. Many athletes take summer classes to compensate for the reduced class load taken during the regular school terms.
If I recall correctly, this is part of the problem at SMU where individuals that normally would not qualify were admitted by virtue of being athletes and then the NCAA said...we don't think so...private school are free to admit pretty much any one they want.
I hesitate to ask which is #1...The Battle of New Orleans? The Farokhmanesh-gate?
As I understand, the issue with Diallo is not the school or the courses he took but his classwork in his native country that needs to be accounted. The fact that his teammate was cleared would appear to indicate that the school is not the problem. Of course, none of us knows for sure since so little information is available.
Let me try to give you a quick rundown on what needs to happen so a player is able to play for a major program like KU from the academic perspective.
First, the student has to be admitted by the school. This is not a problems since most schools have provisions to accept even low performing students as part of their outreach programs.
Next, the student has to be cleared by the NCAA academically. The NCAA requires that a number of "core" classes be taken and and minimum GPA be achieved and if these requirements are not met then the student is deemed non-eligible, even if the school has accepted him. The NCAA also requires a minimum score in the admission test, something that is more difficult to fake (unlike grades) since it id beyond the control of the HS and the target college. What happened is that a large number of student did not get the minimum score in the admission test (big surprise) so the NCAA came up with method of having a higher GPA compensate for the lower admission test score...which basically made prep school popular since players can go there to "take" core courses and raise their GPA to become eligible.
The core course and GPA are usually not a big issue for players that attended established/reputable schools or even public schools since they are directly controlled by the individual states. The problem is making sure the students took actual classes at these basketball factory schools and meet the NCAA requirements. In the case of Diallo, it is my understanding that the issue is more with the classes that the he took in his native country rather than those at his HS. Transferring credits from foreign schools involves other. more complicated steps...I know, since I had to do just that in order to be admitted to college.
Once the student is found to be eligible by the NCAA, some conferences, such a the Big 12 have more strict requirements and even when a player has been admitted by the school and found to be eligible by the NCAA, he might be found not eligible by the Conferences and has to wait before being able to play; I believe this was the case with Jamari and Anderson who transferred and never played for KU.
This is a simplified view of the process.
Good information. The question is...will Smart be able to recruit top player to play in a system that will not prepare them for the NBA? I am sure he can still recruit the type players he did at VCU, fast but lower ranked, but can you win consistently at a major conference with this type of players? Top players got to Kentucky because it plays a system that they believe prepares them for the NBA, and judging by the number of players it has sent to the NBA lately, it is hard to argue; although it is likely that those player would have gone to the NBA regardless of where they played.
NBA teams do not play at that frantic pace...except perhaps in the last few minutes of a close conference series game. There is no way players could maintain that pace for 80+ games. In short, other than being physically fit, Smart's system does not really prepare them for the next level and top players might not want to play in his system. Only one player that he recruited, Troy Daniels, is currently in the NBA and he played for the Hornets in the 2015 Summer League, not a ringing endorsement for a player that has been ion the League for 4 years. BTW, VCU player Larry Sanders that played for the Milwaukee Bucks (and is now out of the NBA) was not recruited by Smart and played for him only in his junior year and then left for the NBA.
Some interesting information for those who think Smart made VCU relevant. Below are the records for Smart and his predecessor Anthony Grant; Grant has a better record than Smart, both overall and also in-conference:
2009-2015 Shaka Smart 6 163-56 (.744) CAA/A-10: 74-30 (.712)
2006-2009 Anthony Grant 3 76-25 (.752) CAA: 45-9 (.833)
Let's face it, Smart's claim to fame is his well know win over KU...beyond that, what else has he done that other comparable school like Butler have not done better? I believe the "legend" of Shaka Smart is better than the reality.
I am not sure if Ridley can lose any more weight; he has a big frame structure and part of his game is to use a lot of real estate. Texas guards are built for speed; however, the front line is not. I would not be surprised if they play a hybrid defense with the smalls playing man to man pressure and the bigs laying back playing zone.
Right of the top pf my head, in the last dozen years or so Texas has 1 Final Four, 3 Elite 8s and 5 sweet 16s, Oklahoma State has 1 Final Four. Oklahoma has 3 Elite 8s and a couple of Sweet 16s, Baylor has a couple of Elite 8s and 1 or 2 Sweet 16s, ISU has one Sweet 16,, KSU one Elite 8, West Virginia, 1 Final Four, 1 Elite 8, 3 Sweet 16s, Texas Tech, 1 Sweet 16.. TCU is the only team that does not have a least one Sweet 16 appearance in the last dozen year or so...not really as bad as it seems. Just sayin'
I believe the thread was just KU fans being sarcastic...
- Just wait until Selden breaks a nail in scrimmage. It'll be MELTDOWN time.
- Do you think we'll have to amputate? Is his career over? He was always made of glass! Selden sucks!!!
- I smell frontal lobotomy. It's doom!
No question they were making fan of how much the Diallo issue is being blown out or proportion...in the slow days of Summer.
I tend not to place that much importance in the tournament record since it can be very misleading.
For example, the top two conferences last year were the big 12 and the Big 10 and each sent 7 teams to the dance while the weakest major conference was the PAC12 that sent only 4 teams. The big 12 and the Big 10 each had two team in the sweet 16 while the PAC 12 had 3; granted that the two Big 10 teams made it to the Final Four...MSU as usual with smoke and mirrors and eventually ran out of luck and got destroyed by Duke. The PAC 12 finished with an 8-5 record but if not for the refs "giving" them the game against SMU they would have finished 5-5. Remember that if OU does not give the game away to MSU the Big 10 and the Big 12 each has one team ion the Elite 8
The lowest Wichita State was ranked (both polls) all season was 16 and in the final polls they were 13 and 14 due to losing to Illinois State in the MVC conference tournament, otherwise they would have easily been top 10...and yet they were seeded #7, where a #3 or a #4 would have been more realistic...were they at least 24 teams better than WSU last season? I don't think so, and as result KU ended up playing a team that was grossly under-seeded and was a bad match up...and the Tournament is all about match ups and a fair amount of luck...and a few (or a lot) favorable calls don't hurt either. Of course this is just my opinion and I know others look at the tournament as the only or at least primary criteria to determine if a season was successful or not.
A couple of observations from watching the video...which we all know can be very deceiving. Just about every single plays shows him stealing the ball, driving, passing or taking a shot; I did not see any rebounding or a single dunk...which in and of itself is not necessarily a bad thing, but clearly indicates limited leaping ability. He seems to favor driving to the basket in traffic and laying the ball or shooting a floater which might well work in HS and JuCo but at the higher level would likely get blocked. He seems to be reasonably fast and handles the ball well.
I see his position as being a SG and I am not sure why the article indicates he would practice with the bigs, unless Coach Self wants a quick player to force the bigs to learn to protect the ball against shorter, faster players....again, not necessarily a bad thing.
There is no question that the team can use a walk or or two. If you have ever since the practices, most of it is done in separate groups practicing specific setups and drills and 12 or 13 players is not enough; oftentimes the coaches and managers have to get in to have enough able bodies to complete the different drills. If you recall the student assistant that played a couple of minutes in one game last season and if you see practice videos you will see that he was often on the court helping with the drills. I just don't see the harm in bringing him in...who knows, he might turn out be the next Ron Baker.
By Calipari's own admission, the platoon experiment was a failure that will not be used again. It is unlikely that recruits will want to go to a team that is already loaded when there are other elite teams with playing time available. A concentration of elite players like last season at UK...or even Duke...is unlikely to happen again.
In an ideal world that would be the case, but you have to consider that Coach Self owes to the team to play the combination most likely to have success and provide wins. Keep in mind that college basketball is not an extra curricular activity like it was originally; now, it is a business and as such it must be run as one...as much as many of us wished it would not be. Cliff showed flashes of greatness but overall his basketball IQ was well below that of the average incoming freshman and he was a liability on defense as he was frequently caught out of position and his offense enough was not good enough to justify more playing time. This my own opinion and I know others think differently.
It is possible the much like Perry did in his freshman year and also Oubre , he could have put the game pieces together and excel at the end of the season....but I guess we will never know that. The fact that he publicly indicated that he was considering coming back for a second year at KU is a clear indication that he was aware of his shortcomings.
The Our Savior New American School ↗does not seem to be the typical basketball factory type school. It has and enrollment of anywhere between 300 and 600 depending on what publication you read and has grades K-12, where most basketball prep schools offer only HS grades and enrollment is typically between 100-200 students, many under 100.
Oak Hill, ↗ has been the top basketball prep in the country enrolls only 160 student per year, Look at the web site of Findlay Prep ↗, the new top basketball prep school Kelly Oubre attended, and you cannot even tell it is an actual school or just a basketball camp
If I understand correctly. most of the issues are not related to his time at Our Savior New American School but the classwork he took in his native country and before he went to school in this country.
A few KU related pictures to brighten your weekend...
My next vacation spot...
Jayhawk warning...
That was sweeeeeeet....
Crimson and Blue cake with Gold (medal) icing and 11...or 12... conference rings on top!!!
He’s also planning to go to Late Night which could be the nail in the coffin for us getting him.
Nail in the coffin? Maybe "Icing on the cake" would be a better expression? :) :) :)
Just kidding, I know what you meant.
FWIW, I don't participate in the baseball chats much...or at ll, but often I have them on my second screen. You guys sure seem to have fun and enjoy the sport without the acrimony of other threads...I like that. I am sure you have seen this picture and the words were also used for other players but it is still fun... and very applicable...
Frank Mason is in the list "ADDED AFTER THE LIST WENT UP."
This list is a joke. If they choose to call it "The 50 Best Players in College Basketball for 2015-2016" then no incoming player should be in there, at least not in the top 25 or until they have proved they can play at the next levels; maybe a better name should have been..."The 50 Best Potential Prospects in College Basketball for 2015-2016."
When Melo Trimble and Tarczewski manes are in the list I knew that the list is flawed. If Tarczewsli was one of the top 50 players, he would not be playing college ball as a Senior, I saw him at the Pan American Games and was glad he did not come to KU, he cannot rebound, defend or score and Few had him playing at the top of the key...and he cannot score away from the basket...what was he thinking? Rico Suave would have been a much better choice and in this list he is ranked below Tarczewski. As far a Trimble, I did not see any thing at the Pan Am games that indicates he will be one of the top 50 players; he might dominate against weaker competition but on the big stage he disappeared. I could go on...but I am sure we all have our own views.
Recruiting...and committing are getting to be like a game of chess. Coaches and players are now waiting to see what others will do before offering and/or committing. We saw this past recruiting season where an inordinate number of top ranked players waited to see where other top prospect committed and who stayed before committed themselves. I believe we will see more of this in the future and we will not know what the next team will look like well into June.