Woodrow said:
Vick was late to shoot around and will not start tonight 🤦🏻♂️
Playing devil's advocate here, the way Vick has been playing lately he can probably afford to miss a few shoot-arounds.
KirkIsMyHinrich
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Bill Self's key to the game is defend the arc.
I agree with Bill.
This is just my guess of NBA allstar starters this season:
Steph Curry - 3 years at Davidson
James Harden - 2 years at Arizona State
LeBron James - Didn't play college but if he had it would have only been for 1 year
Kevin Durant - 1 year at Texas
Anthony Davis - 1 year at Kentucky
Kyrie Irving - 1 year at Duke
Kawhi Leonard - 2 years at San Diego St.
Blake Griffin - 2 years at Oklahoma
Giannis Antetokounmpo - Played Greek pro basketball and got drafted by Milwaukee at age 18. So basically a one-year player.
Joel Embiid - 1 year at Kansas
I don't think Preston's NBA career would have been helped much by playing 4 years at Kansas.
BeddieKU23 said:
Fletcher Magee is a bonafide matchup nightmare for us. Attempting over 10 3's a game and while his efficiency is down a little this season he's by far the best shooter KU will have faced to date outside of Markus Howard. In that game we had Dotson to guard him (who did a fantastic job) and that's unlikely going to happen in this game with Magee a SG, so its a huge concern how we'll cover this one. Garrett might be busy again
It's really obvious how these teams are going to match up.
Dotson - Murphy
Vick - Hoover
Grimes - Magee
Dedric - Jackson
Doke - Aluma
I might consider putting Vick on Magee, but Nathan Hoover is also going to be a problem. Hoover is shooting 51% (25/49) from 3 this season. Wofford attempts 28.3 3-pointers per game (25th in D1) and makes 38.2% of them (55th in D1). Wofford is a good team and KU needs to play like they played in Half 2 against Marquette if they are going to win.
BShark said:
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
Hard to believe Jerod Haase is a Williams disciple the way Stanford played today. Flopping. Taking the air out of the ball. Wasting 10 seconds walking to inbound the basketball after Kansas made a field goal. I mean I understand he doesn't want to get into a track meet with Kansas but this hardly even felt like a basketball game.
I mean, it was the correct approach for sure.
Just win baby? I'd rather play a basketball game, even if I lose.
Hard to believe Jerod Haase is a Williams disciple the way Stanford played today. Flopping. Taking the air out of the ball. Wasting 10 seconds walking to inbound the basketball after Kansas made a field goal. I mean I understand he doesn't want to get into a track meet with Kansas but this hardly even felt like a basketball game.
Take Doke out now.
Vick the God
The fact that KU finished regulation with 1 more foul than Stanford is a joke. Fire these officials please.
Garbage shot, and the ball just bounced right back to him as he was falling.
Come on Moore.
That's a flagrant?
SHARMA FOULED OUT!
@approxinfinity Was about to say this. That's a problem.
Sharma still in the game somehow.
Senior play by Vick.
I'm surprised we haven't seen DMac at all today.
Wow, they finally called Stanford for traveling.
26 of Stanford's 47 shot attempts have been 3's and they've been to the line as much as we have. We've only taken 9 3's today. Whatever.
Sharma is mad about collecting his 10th foul of the game. Ya, we all feel bad for you.
This is one of the worst KU performances I've ever seen. They have 12 minutes to turn that around.
Kansas needs to stop leaving people wide open for 3's.
Good move, Lawson.
Thank God for Dotson right now.
Kubie said:
Dotson forced them to call that foul we need more of those drives
Dedric did too. They just didn't call it. They almost didn't give Dotson the call.
Sharma should be fouled out of the game at this point.
Dedric got hammered...
Not that Doke is going to make his free-throws, but it would be nice if he could get obvious foul calls.
Zags pulling away now.
@Woodrow What's crazy is that Gonzaga is shooting 58.3% from the field and losing at the under 12 timeout.
Creighton making the Zags sweat. Wouldn't actually mind seeing Gonzaga win. I like their team/coach.
More like Markus Jordan today.
Normally I'd cheer for the Big 12 during non-conference, but seeing as how Kansas has already beaten Marquette... let's go GOLDEN EAGLES!
mayjay said:
I disagree entirely! The polls are a collective judgment of which teams are better and are expected to do well. Game results are just one factor--until they become determinative in the tournament.
Otherwise the polls are not a judgment call at all. The voters would just sort all teams by record. That makes no sense since you only need a preseason poll and a compendium of game results to proceed from there. I agree with Newell--an early 2 point upset in college BB does not require upending poll rankings.
I think this post is pretty much right on. The AP Poll is 65 voters voting who they feel are the best teams in college basketball. Each voter can use whatever criteria they want to rank the teams, whether it's head-to-head, gut-feeling, advanced rating systems like KenPom, or whatever else. Most voters probably use a combination of all of these. Newell uses KenPom exclusively for his ballot, which I don't really agree with, but that's his prerogative.
The AP Poll has always had a predictive element to its rankings. If it didn't, there's no way Kentucky would be ranked in the Top 10 right now. The voters expect them to get better as the season goes on. If Kentucky's ranking was simply a screenshot of how they're playing right now, I'm not sure they'd even be in the Top 25.
I don't really care if somebody wants to rank Duke #1 on their ballot after they lost to Gonzaga. Duke lost by 2 points. They might be the better team. They might beat Gonzaga in a best-of-seven series. I don't think it's unreasonable to think that. And the AP Poll doesn't really matter at all.
The only ranking I care about is the S-Curve for the tournament in March. And I think this should be pretty much entirely results-based. For example, if the season ended now, I think it would be fine to think that Duke is the best team in the tournament, but you had better give Gonzaga a better seed than Duke.
@JayHawkFanToo :+1:
According to KenPom, the Big 12 is the #1 rated conference currently. The Big Ten is 2nd. The ACC is 3rd.
All of the raw data-based rating systems look like garbage this early in the season. RPI looks worse than NET does right now; they have Kentucky ranked 81st and Georgia Southern ranked 2nd.
The entire Big 12 is ranked in the Top 50 in the NET system which means that during conference play Kansas will start looking pretty good. We just need to be patient. The NET rating system will start to normalize after it receives more data.
It's not all bad. The entire Big 12 conference is rated in the Top 50 in the NET system and Kentucky is rated at 61. I think that's pretty cool.
It seems pretty awful, but I'm going let the NET system collect more data before I get too mad. During conference play, if KU is still ranked in the Top 5 in the AP/Coaches Poll but ranked outside of the Top 10 in the NET system, then I'll start to gripe more.
It's worrying that a team that the Jayhawks beat head-to-head (Michigan St.) is currently ranked higher on NET rating.
Duke got a first-place vote this week somehow.
Dedric was the best player tonight. Dotson was 2nd. Vick was 3rd.
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
You're absolutely right that Gonzaga is going to miss Killian Tillie in that game. I like Gonzaga's chances, even with Tillie out. They're an experienced team that will spread the floor, execute on offense, and not turn the ball over. In 2 games (against no one) they're averaging 112 points and 9.5 turnovers per game, which is great.
I need this for my self esteem after picking Kentucky to beat Duke.
I wasn't complaining about our defense as a whole, I was specifically complaining about our 3-point defense. Before the game. During the game. After the game.
Yes, the perimeter defense was better in the 2nd half. I agree.
Kcmatt7 said:
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
Kcmatt7 said:
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
Kcmatt7 said:
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
StLJhawk said:
Fair enough. I Just have trouble with the “entitlement” vibe here sometimes. We can’t win em all.
Cool. I have a problem with our perimeter defense.
17 points so far in the 2nd half... I still think this team ends up being dominate defensively. My 1st half meltdown has been rescinded.
291st ranked team in 3-point defense. Got torched in the 1st half knowing that Marquette was going to shoot 3's. Played better in the 2nd half. Good. Still a lot of work to do if they want to be a dominant defensive team.
Based on what? Percentage? I can find favorable stats. 3rd ranked Kenpom defense before the game. And I'll go ahead and say it will still be ranked top 5 after holding a good offensive Marquette team to under 70 points.
Yes, based on 3-point percentage. As I've said for the 100th time now. And my complaint was about Kansas' perimeter defense and opponent 3-point percentage. Thank you for finding KenPom stats for me, though.
Thanks for finding 3pt % for me.
I complained about opponents shooting 3's against Kansas. I found opponents 3-point percentage against Kansas.
You found random KenPom stats. Good job I guess?
Good win, Kansas. If we play two 2nd-halves like tonight I think we'll have a good chance against the Vols. Rock Chalk.
Kcmatt7 said:
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
Kcmatt7 said:
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
StLJhawk said:
Fair enough. I Just have trouble with the “entitlement” vibe here sometimes. We can’t win em all.
Cool. I have a problem with our perimeter defense.
17 points so far in the 2nd half... I still think this team ends up being dominate defensively. My 1st half meltdown has been rescinded.
291st ranked team in 3-point defense. Got torched in the 1st half knowing that Marquette was going to shoot 3's. Played better in the 2nd half. Good. Still a lot of work to do if they want to be a dominant defensive team.
Based on what? Percentage? I can find favorable stats. 3rd ranked Kenpom defense before the game. And I'll go ahead and say it will still be ranked top 5 after holding a good offensive Marquette team to under 70 points.
Yes, based on 3-point percentage. As I've said for the 100th time now. And my complaint was about Kansas' perimeter defense and opponent 3-point percentage. Thank you for finding KenPom stats for me, though.
Kcmatt7 said:
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
StLJhawk said:
Fair enough. I Just have trouble with the “entitlement” vibe here sometimes. We can’t win em all.
Cool. I have a problem with our perimeter defense.
17 points so far in the 2nd half... I still think this team ends up being dominate defensively. My 1st half meltdown has been rescinded.
291st ranked team in 3-point defense. Got torched in the 1st half knowing that Marquette was going to shoot 3's. Played better in the 2nd half. Good. Still a lot of work to do if they want to be a dominant defensive team.
Woah. Dude just banked in a free-throw.
StLJhawk said:
Fair enough. I Just have trouble with the “entitlement” vibe here sometimes. We can’t win em all.
Cool. I have a problem with our perimeter defense.
@StLJhawk No, but the 2nd ranked team in the country should beat an unranked team. Games with teams separated by 2 spots in the rankings are a coin-flip.