I need to get this stuff out of the KU game thread.

Anyway

LOL

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Heh

Didn't look like many at the nova game

There's $100k man

FSU taking it to UF...

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Wow. Imagine how shit Missouri would be if they didn't get Mark Smith immediately eligible?

Can they both lose?

Hard to root for Duke, but would love to see us gain 1 on UK

Bwag said:

Hard to root for Duke, but would love to see us gain 1 on UK

After interacting with fans of both, I'm cheering my ass off for UK.

Holy crap.

Would've been a hell of a deal. Can you imagine what Williamson would have done if we had tried to give him a Ferrari? He may have had 40 or 50 points... Lol

Called the starters.

Texas is shit. Baylor is SUPER shit.

Duke finally went a minute of play without a 3 pointer

They are gonna be a problem

Yeah, Duke is insane.

I'm not sure they are gonna lose...

A game...

At all

cragarhawk said:

I'm not sure they are gonna lose...

A game...

At all

Ehhhhh

ACC play is a meat grinder, they will pick up some Ls there. Maybe only 2-3 but still. UNC, Virginia etc...

They are better than the UK team that nearly went undefeated I think. But you're right. Tougher league to play in. They may see some challenges

cragarhawk said:

They are better than the UK team that nearly went undefeated I think. But you're right. Tougher league to play in. They may see some challenges

Too early to tell. They look really good but just one game, and 5-7 from three right now.

Cal in the ear of the ref... "Wtf man, I'm supposed to get the stack of the top 3 guys and another in the top 20"...

LOL yep. Cal isn't used to being out athleted. If Cal can figure some things out, and get Duke into more of a half court game, this game might get interesting.

He's the Magician. He should be okay.

Wichita State got smoked at home by Louisiana Tech. Duke may have the most athletic team I’ve ever seen play at this level.

Gonzaga just hit 100 with about 8:00 to go. Hashimura having his way inside tonight.

@cragarhawk No, it was the rocket powered skate board!

@KirkIsMyHinrich Cal should talk to Bill at halftime and get some tips/pointers.

Well he sure needs to do something.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Well he sure needs to do something.

Pictured below, Cal's playbook

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@Kcmatt7 UCLA going to win by 25+, did you get that bet in?

Florida State DUMPSTERING Florida.

Both Duke and UK have crazy talent but Duke’s is a lot farther along. UK is not a good shooting team, Duke is but it’s short bench is probably its Achilles heel; however, with Duke owning the refs the net negative effect is considerbly less.

Zion and RJ look like the real deal. Duke looks very good.

Duke looks scary. Their weakness is definitely their depth. Zion staying out of foul trouble and surviving the season at his size are his challenges.

@BShark 3 point shooting is quite a strength for the Squid, isn't it?

KUSTEVE said:

@BShark 3 point shooting is quite a strength for the Squid, isn't it?

Kentucky running plays in the same way KU was running plays in the exhibition. LOL.

@BShark LOL. They're saving their playbook because they know they have to play us later in the season...ha!

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Duke appears to have as high a ceiling as we do. Going to enjoy ripping their hearts out wherever we meet them in the tournament.

Okay, based on an admittedly small sample size of 20 minutes, who has the bigger upside this season, Duke or UK?
Duke obviously has the raw talent, but Kentucky strikes me as more mature.

@nwhawkfan it definitely seems to me to be Duke.

uk sucks

@Kcmatt7 Ya you were right. I think it may be more that Duke is really good though.

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I've got a lot of respect for Prohm as a person. As a coach remains to be seen but he does the right things.

I'm not listening to the game. Has Dick Vitale's head exploded from excitement?

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

@Kcmatt7 Ya you were right. I think it may be more that Duke is really good though.

In games like this, depth is overrated. UK is less talented 1-6. Thats what matters.

But also, PJ sucks, NR sucks, and Green sucks. That's why they are all sophomores at UK. Add in that Quickley sucks and Hagans sucks and you have a double digit loss team. Reid is their best player and he played on a bad team last season. UK can either suck at D or they can suck at O depending on the lineup. But they don't have a group of 5 that can play on both ends.

I guess I didn't expect them all to suck lol.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

I guess I didn't expect them all to suck lol.

Luckily I'm here for you lol

I nailed the starting lineup though. Small victories.

I would bet that the analysts switch their UK NC opinion to Duke starting tomorrow. Only took an hour lol

ESPN has already been annoying with the Duke/ACC hype. They are going to be unbearable now.

Kcmatt7 said:

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

@Kcmatt7 Ya you were right. I think it may be more that Duke is really good though.

In games like this, depth is overrated. UK is less talented 1-6. Thats what matters.

But also, PJ sucks, NR sucks, and Green sucks. That's why they are all sophomores at UK. Add in that Quickley sucks and Hagans sucks and you have a double digit loss team. Reid is their best player and he played on a bad team last season. UK can either suck at D or they can suck at O depending on the lineup. But they don't have a group of 5 that can play on both ends.

Sucks by UK standards. I'd bet PJ and Nick would develop well at KU. PJ is decent, but he's a 6'7'' center, so that will hurt you in some games for sure.

I'm not big on Green or Quickley, but I thought Hagans might be a dude. Herro is um...he is completely outmatched in this game. Barrett sees a target cursor on Herro every time he has the ball. Herro won't be overmatched like this every game I don't think anyway. He's not great overall though.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

ESPN has already been annoying with the Duke/ACC hype. They are going to be unbearable now.

KU win buried on the back page.

BShark said:

Kcmatt7 said:

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

@Kcmatt7 Ya you were right. I think it may be more that Duke is really good though.

In games like this, depth is overrated. UK is less talented 1-6. Thats what matters.

But also, PJ sucks, NR sucks, and Green sucks. That's why they are all sophomores at UK. Add in that Quickley sucks and Hagans sucks and you have a double digit loss team. Reid is their best player and he played on a bad team last season. UK can either suck at D or they can suck at O depending on the lineup. But they don't have a group of 5 that can play on both ends.

Sucks by UK standards. I'd bet PJ and Nick would develop well at KU. PJ is decent, but he's a 6'7'' center, so that will hurt you in some games for sure.

I'm not big on Green or Quickley, but I thought Hagans might be a dude. Herro is um...he is completely outmatched in this game. Barrett sees a target cursor on Herro every time he has the ball. Herro won't be overmatched like this every game I don't think anyway. He's not great overall though.

Herro will stuggle unless he can beat guys off of the dribble. The only guy who can shoot on their team. They won't let him shoot. PJ is a 6'7 C. You're right. He can't block a shot. Neither can Reid. Montgomery is overmatched now that guys are his size. Only positive is KJ. And he doesn't score well enough.

Imagine being a Kentucky fan right now. Alcohol will be consumed in Lexington tonight.

@Kcmatt7 I don't see Herro being able to beat many guys off the dribble. He's gotta work like Svi to get open on the 3 pt line.

Interesting point about their front court guys. The two that are good offensively can't defend for shit in the post. Richards is okay on that end, but his offense is um, yeah.

@KirkIsMyHinrich So, a usual night then.

Did Uncle Fester and Bilas pick Kentucky to win this game too?

Just curious why this thread was started when there was already one started with the same topic before it? Less seems better to me. BTW, Ethan Happ with a triple double tonight.

wissox said:

Just curious why this thread was started when there was already one started with the same topic before it? Less seems better to me. BTW, Ethan Happ with a triple double tonight.

Was there a thread for other games tonight? I just didn't want to add unnecessary posts to the Classic thread.

Lol UK is seriously bad. Like will be fighting for the NCAA tournament bad, imo.

wissox said:

Just curious why this thread was started when there was already one started with the same topic before it? Less seems better to me. BTW, Ethan Happ with a triple double tonight.

I completely forgot about the other thread and didn't notice it when I went to make this.

@Kcmatt7 Sam on point once again here...

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Calipari invited this start to the second half from Duke by playing super big to start the half. Front line of Washington, Montgomery, and Travis against a team that’s drive-and-kicked you, transitioned you, and out-athleted you to death? Why?

This could be the worst UKs been beat since we did it 150 to 95.

UK doesn't pass well and they don't shoot well.

Kcmatt7 said:

Lol UK is seriously bad. Like will be fighting for the NCAA tournament bad, imo.

Calm down.

Could you imagine though? Wow.

Kcmatt7 said:

UK doesn't pass well and they don't shoot well.

Very interested to see more of UK after this game. Is UK really this bad or is Duke insane? Maybe both?

BShark said:

Kcmatt7 said:

Lol UK is seriously bad. Like will be fighting for the NCAA tournament bad, imo.

Calm down.

Could you imagine though? Wow.

I'M SERIOUS

Barrett, Reddish, and Zion are beating Kentucky 66-50 right now. Wow.

Kansas and Duke are the clear cut 2 best teams. Been saying this since the summer.

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Marsha is a mongoloid monster. Remember when there was this narrative about Self? I'd like to see this shit get more coverage. Gregg is a dick. The opposite of Prohm who I believe genuinely cares about his players as people.

uk sucks

That Maui field is loaded this year. Duke going through Auburn and then Gonzaga is going to be 2 great games for Duke. A Duke/Gonzage game is a potential Final Four match up as well.

Texas Hawk 10 said:

That Maui field is loaded this year. Duke going through Auburn and then Gonzaga is going to be 2 great games for Duke. A Duke/Gonzage game is a potential Final Four match up as well.

Duke Gonzaga will be must see tv for anyone that likes basketball.

@BShark Get to the Choppa!! I’ve lost a ton of respect for Marshall the past few years between his out burst, drunk wife in the stands and his we’ll play anyone crap but declined to play KSU this season. I’ve said before if I was Self I’d call down there and offer a home an home after he declined KSU so he could go on national TV to call him a chicken. I know Self is too classy for that move but I’d laugh.

@BShark Xavier and Auburn should be a good one too in the first round.

@Kcmatt7 I wouldn’t say UK is a bubble team at this remember when they beat us by 32 in 2014-15 and we still won our conference and got a 2 seed. They also play in the SEC which drops off a ton after the first 4 teams.

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LOST 72-69 to KENPOM #277 Texas Southern.

You know, the Texas Southern KU hung 114 on last year.

Kentucky is not right now a very good team. It will not win the SEC and it will have a double digit number of loses. Duke is literally toying with them.

This isn't quite Williams-Pitino levels of obliteration, but it's in the ball park.

Nevada and BYU tied at 34 at the half...

Probably Duke, Kansas, Gonzaga 1,2,3 next ranking.

@KirkIsMyHinrich

Duke looked better because UK played zero defense. I will guess we make up ~10 games in the all time wins this season.

@BShark wow they were 13 at half time, Scott Drew maybe on his way out. No doubt he put them on the map after literally the murderous past they had but he’s done very little with some talented teams.

Some positives from the Dook route, anytime UK loses its good, we are closer in all time wins and now we don’t have the worst loss in the Champions Classic anymore. We also we beat a top 10 team lol good night folks and as always Rock Chalk Jayhawk!

@kjayhawks I think most of their alumni and fan base expect a rebuilding year here. They lost 8 players, 4 of which were actual rotation players and quite frankly their 4 best players. They took in five transfers, including 2 JUCO guys and a grad transfer. All three of their FR played tonight and none of them are guys you want playing right away. All this loss from an NIT team.

I don't think Drew will be on the hot seat. Now, if they aren't better and in tournament contention next year? Then I think it gets interesting.

Oh boy...

Goodman: "I think this was the worst loss of your career...

Cal: "Is it? So why would it come from you?"

At least we can go under the radar now that ESPN made Duke #1 in the power rankings. Cancel the season folks. Duke's printing 40-0 shirts

@BShark i watched that...love watching the squid explain losses.

I think Duke put college basketball on notice last night. That was clinical and damn impressive. Zion is way better than I thought.

Woodrow said:

I think Duke put college basketball on notice last night. That was clinical and damn impressive. Zion is way better than I thought.

Notice how all the top draft candidates showed out in front of scouts. I think that should be taken into consideration here. Barrett, Zion, Grimes, Reddish all had motivation here.

The Duke game is such an outlier to what will happen on average. RJ, Zion & Cam are not scoring 84 between the trio a game. They scored as many points as Kentucky did as a team. We've seen their potential but I'd imagine they don't play up to it more then 3-5 games during the year

Duke had 4 turnovers. The freshman trio took 53 shots. I would be very surprised if they played this good again

Duke is scary good. May as well face that.

The boredom factor may help. They will probably get bored somewhere along the way and almost lose a game or two. We can hope. There's always the ebbs and flows....

No one had any tape on them yet. Seriously, that matters. They have three incredible players but it's a large burden for 3 guys to shoulder game in, game out. They are good, will be a 1-2 seed, but I wouldn't call them unbeatable yet. I wouldn't call them 2012 UK or 09 UNC yet either.

To whom it may interest, portions of shockernet have turned on GREGGGGGG.

Keep all that Marshall/WSU news away from @Crimsonorblue22 -- her head might explode. I know she's a big fan. Losing to La. Tech? At home?

BShark said:

No one had any tape on them yet. Seriously, that matters. They have three incredible players but it's a large burden for 3 guys to shoulder game in, game out. They are good, will be a 1-2 seed, but I wouldn't call them unbeatable yet. I wouldn't call them 2012 UK or 09 UNC yet either.

Well stated.

@Woodrow I spent a week trying to minimize Zion after he snubbed us, and he showed me how wrong I was, and all the hype was true and real. BShark nailed that one.

@KUSTEVE Too bad Adidas went cheap on that one... just kidding.

dylans said:

@KUSTEVE Too bad Adidas went cheap on that one... just kidding.

I guess we couldn't find an 800k house in Lawrence somewhere..

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OMG JAY WRIGHT DOESN'T PLAY FRESHMEN TAKE AWAY HIS STACKS. derpderpderp

KUSTEVE said:

@Woodrow I spent a week trying to minimize Zion after he snubbed us, and he showed me how wrong I was, and all the hype was true and real. BShark nailed that one.

I remember people on the old Shiver website saying how Duke wasn't going to be as good as people thought because RJ, Zion, and Reddish "all played the same position". I kept telling them that K and Duke would figure it out and be just fine. I think it is going to work out.

Duke is going to have a lot of games where they have the three best players on the floor. That's tough to overcome, particularly in college basketball. The only thing that can hang Duke up is their lack of depth, but even having just two of those three available will be too much for most teams.

Kentucky will be fine. They aren't going to be at a talent deficit in most any game the rest of the way, other than against KU. That game was in many ways like the game we had with Kentucky the Anthony Davis year. They just overwhelmed us in the early game because we had no answer for all of that talent.

More good news from last night...

"Wichita State takes embarrassing L

Wichita State hasn’t missed an NCAA tournament since 2011, but the Shockers may have their work cut out for them to make it back to an eighth straight Big Dance. Gregg Marshall’s team was out-rebounded by 11 and shot just 37 percent from the field in a 71-58 loss to visiting Louisiana Tech Tuesday night. The loss marked the first time the Shockers have dropped a home opener since 1995.

Marshall has led WSU to at least 25 wins for nine straight seasons, but the makeup of this team is different. Nine of the 13 players on the Shockers roster are playing Division-I basketball for the first time. That inexperience was on full display in the lopsided loss to a Louisiana Tech team that went 16-17 last season."

BShark said:

Bwag said:

Hard to root for Duke, but would love to see us gain 1 on UK

After interacting with fans of both, I'm cheering my ass off for UK.

lmao -- so how did that work for ya? lol - -I can't stand Kentucky - - I can't stand Duke . but ummm didn't have much to root about last night for sure then did ya?. - -Kentucky fans really couldn't even blame the officials for this one - -I'm sure they will find something

@BShark Texas is bad for sure , yet on the other hand was sure nice to see Andrew Jones on the floor , hope he continues his comeback. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

cragarhawk said:

They are gonna be a problem

BIG PROBLEM. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@BShark Let's see If I'm not mistaken , yet if I'm right THIS will be the last year you will see a team like that - -doesn't the new rule if it has been approved - this will be the last year for something like Duke has this year - the new rule with the NBA and the College players being able to Go to the NBA - -if it is , you won't see players like these three play together ever again they will be in the NBA

BShark said:

ACC play is a meat grinder, they will pick up some Ls there. Maybe only 2-3 but still. UNC, Virginia etc...

Not so sure , after seeing UNC play last night , I think UNC will be in real trouble against Duke

BeddieKU23 said:

Duke had 4 turnovers. The freshman trio took 53 shots. I would be very surprised if they played this good again

...and UK had 15 turnovers. Duke with 10 steals to UK 1; a difference of 20 between turnovers and steals and probably worth 20-30 points. No doubt Duke is a very good team but it looked better because UK was exposed a a poor team that cannot shoot or play defense. I will be a long season for UK fans.

@StLJhawk

The “perfect storm” at Wichita State is over and now it is back to mediocrity.

jayballer73 said:

BShark said:

Bwag said:

Hard to root for Duke, but would love to see us gain 1 on UK

After interacting with fans of both, I'm cheering my ass off for UK.

lmao -- so how did that work for ya? lol - -I can't stand Kentucky - - I can't stand Duke . but ummm didn't have much to root about last night for sure then did ya?. - -Kentucky fans really couldn't even blame the officials for this one - -I'm sure they will find something

They should have blamed their coach.

@JayHawkFanToo Marshall is going to be kicking his own ass for not getting out of WSU before now. This season is going to cost him some money.

@Woodrow

No doubt. He should have left when he was hot. To his credit he showed loyalty and he is a very good coach so he will get his team playing better, although it might take a few years to get back up considering WSU is now playing in a much stronger conference.

jayballer73 said:

BShark said:

ACC play is a meat grinder, they will pick up some Ls there. Maybe only 2-3 but still. UNC, Virginia etc...

Not so sure , after seeing UNC play last night , I think UNC will be in real trouble against Duke

I wouldn't pick any team to beat Duke right now, but UNC will play them really tough at home.

Also, Wofford is a good team, they will make KU sweat too this year.

@Woodrow @JayHawkFanToo On the other hand, WSU is a stable job where he gets 3.2 million a year. He makes more than coaches who have really tough jobs at schools like Illinois, NC State etc... He makes more than JAY freaking Wright and Belein. It's a pretty sweet gig...

@BShark I agree with all of that, but he is young and surely wants a tougher challenge and a chance to win a NC. He will move on at some point. Maybe UCLA? With his ego there is no doubt he wants to win at the highest level.

@Woodrow I'm not sure. He can win a natty at WSU, he almost did it once before. He might be a lifer at WSU as he has already been there 11 years and turned down other jobs.

@Woodrow

He could have had the UCLA before and he passed...

@JayHawkFanToo I think Marsha is a bit to big for his britches! Why did those guys leave last year? One kid would have been a starter. If we see what happens publically, what happens behind the gym door? I always heard that. Sooner or later that will cost him, if that's true and he's not winning, and guys keep transferring out. Then there's his wife.....

This would be a better game if played in a few months between UK and Dook. As some have mentioned UK had 15 TOs to Dooks 4, Dook probably isn’t going to shoot the ball as well as they did from ether the floor or 3 point land every game and UK probably won’t shoot it that bad often ether. UK has very little size compared to most years, Travis was on Zion a fair amount last night and tho he is listed at 6’8, Zion at 6’7 he looked shorter Zion. Zion still has plenty to improve on, I think all but 5 of his points came from a Dunk/lay up or Fts. It will be interesting to see him battle some guys that are bigger than him inside.

kjayhawks said:

This would be a better game if played in a few months between UK and Dook. As some have mentioned UK had 15 TOs to Dooks 4, Dook probably isn’t going to shoot the ball as well as they did from ether the floor or 3 point land every game and UK probably won’t shoot it that bad often ether. UK has very little size compared to most years, Travis was on Zion a fair amount last night and tho he is listed at 6’8, Zion at 6’7 he looked shorter Zion. Zion still has plenty to improve on, I think all but 5 of his points came from a Dunk/lay up or Fts. It will be interesting to see him battle some guys that are bigger than him inside.

Duke beats that UK team by double digits 9 out of 10 times. And probably wins 99 out of 100. Which definitely lends itself to how good I think Duke is. But it also speaks to how bad UK is.

UK can't play D and Cal is one of the worst offensive coaches in D1 Basketball. And I don't think they have the talent to overcome his piss poor in game coaching ability like they normally do.

They play a decent Southern Illinois team on Friday and I'm already telling you to put them on upset alert.

@BShark I don't think it was the Coach- - I think they just got their ASS spanked by superior players. - -The have the most talented 3 players in the game -- -HANDS DOWN. -- when you get your ass spank by 34 and could of been worse if K hadn't pulled his starters with over 4 minutes to go - that was just a good old ass back behind the shed ass whupping. Even Coach Cal - -said their Coach was better -- they were just better - -can't agree they just flat got their ass beat plain and simple - -no excuses. Way to may turnovers - - plain BEAT DOWN - - I myself LOVED IT -- this was not on the Coach

Strongly disagree. Calipari is a bad offensive coach and it showed last night. He also had no answers to get UK coherent on defense. His line-up choice to start the 2nd half was a joke.

BShark said:

jayballer73 said:

BShark said:

ACC play is a meat grinder, they will pick up some Ls there. Maybe only 2-3 but still. UNC, Virginia etc...

Not so sure , after seeing UNC play last night , I think UNC will be in real trouble against Duke

I wouldn't pick any team to beat Duke right now, but UNC will play them really tough at home.

Also, Wofford is a good team, they will make KU sweat too this year.

ehh O doubt that. for one UNC played them at their place -- for two - -we play them at the phog and if were a legit final 4 - -possible Champ - -you don't lose to teams like that- -especially at your place. we know the atmosphere the phog can put out , we get on a roll at home , we can blow them out. - -No way do they match our front line or our depth. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer73 Wofford is the type of team that would be a 13/14 seed in the NCAA tournament and could give someone trouble. Obviously KU shouldn't lose at home to them, but it also wouldn't be surprising if they kept it competitive for most of the night. It's one of those match ups people would be tempted to take Wofford to cover.

BShark said:

Strongly disagree. Calipari is a bad offensive coach and it showed last night. He also had no answers to get UK coherent on defense. His line-up choice to start the 2nd half was a joke.

You can draw up all the X's and O's you want - -after you do that - -it's on the players, lack of focus--- execution - -;- 15 TO's - -that's not the Coach THAT'S the players lack of attention -- I know of at least twice where Kentucky players just flat as threw it right to Barrett for TO's and 2 points - Cal can't go out and execute things for them - -THEY have to do that -again just a plain and simple ASS WHUPPIN - nothing to be ashamed of - -- -well wait actually there is lmao -- but hey they won't be the only team that is going to take ass whuppin from Duke this year,

Last night was Duke's A game and it was spectacular to watch. Their A game is the best A game in the country.

They also won't do that every night. I believe it was Bill Self that said most teams play their A game 4-5 times a season, D-F game 4-5 times a year, and the rest of the season is their B-C game.

For the most part, the Silvio situation won't impact KU on the court. The one team that not having Silvio is really going to hurt Kansas is if they play Duke in the NCAA tournament. Silvio would've allowed Self to play a line up of Doke, Silvio, and Dedric against Duke's front line.

Texas Hawk 10 said:

@jayballer73 Wofford is the type of team that would be a 13/14 seed in the NCAA tournament and could give someone trouble. Obviously KU shouldn't lose at home to them, but it also wouldn't be surprising if they kept it competitive for most of the night. It's one of those match ups people would be tempted to take Wofford to cover.

then they would be fools Hell I'll take their money if they want to throw it away. - -Mark it down right here right now KU wins this game anywhere from 10-15 points

Hope you don't think I'm trying to argue - - I just don't think they will hold up especially with us at home -- I understand what your saying but I have never felt any more comfortable about a game like this. - -We GOT THIS - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Texas Hawk 10 said:

Last night was Duke's A game and it was spectacular to watch. Their A game is the best A game in the country.

They also won't do that every night. I believe it was Bill Self that said most teams play their A game 4-5 times a season, D-F game 4-5 times a year, and the rest of the season is their B-C game.

For the most part, the Silvio situation won't impact KU on the court. The one team that not having Silvio is really going to hurt Kansas is if they play Duke in the NCAA tournament. Silvio would've allowed Self to play a line up of Doke, Silvio, and Dedric against Duke's front line.

That frontline match up would be sweet to see I bet. - -I think actually well for sure IF Silvio was available - I think we would have better frontline if that were to happen--- KU a lot of Height from them to go against - just more depth in Bigs. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@Kcmatt7 Dook is for sure the more talented team and has a higher ceiling than prob anyone this season. I'm just saying if they meet later on in the season Dook still wins but most likely but it ain't 34 point route. It's prob a 10-15 point win.

jayballer73 said:

Texas Hawk 10 said:

@jayballer73 Wofford is the type of team that would be a 13/14 seed in the NCAA tournament and could give someone trouble. Obviously KU shouldn't lose at home to them, but it also wouldn't be surprising if they kept it competitive for most of the night. It's one of those match ups people would be tempted to take Wofford to cover.

then they would be fools Hell I'll take their money if they want to throw it away. - -Mark it down right here right now KU wins this game anywhere from 10-15 points

Hope you don't think I'm trying to argue - - I just don't think they will hold up especially with us at home -- I understand what your saying but I have never felt any more comfortable about a game like this. - -We GOT THIS - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

We don't know what the spread is yet. ;)

Texas Hawk 10 said:

Last night was Duke's A game and it was spectacular to watch. Their A game is the best A game in the country.

They also won't do that every night. I believe it was Bill Self that said most teams play their A game 4-5 times a season, D-F game 4-5 times a year, and the rest of the season is their B-C game.

For the most part, the Silvio situation won't impact KU on the court. The one team that not having Silvio is really going to hurt Kansas is if they play Duke in the NCAA tournament. Silvio would've allowed Self to play a line up of Doke, Silvio, and Dedric against Duke's front line.

That's almost exactly what Cal tried last night at one point in the game and it got eaten alive.

I think you probably just have to deny Zion the ball with someone like Garrett. He destroyed Kentucky's bigs off the dribble, so either you guard him with a big and sag WAY off him or you put a guard on him.

@BShark EHHHH, -- probably like 30 - - lmao -- just messing with ya bud- - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Cincinatti 3 Ohio State 2. Five minutes into the game.

BShark said:

Cincinatti 3 Ohio State 2. Five minutes into the game.

What Channel?

@jayballer73 ESPN2. It's a brutal game though. 16-10, 7 and a half minutes to go in the first half...

@Kcmatt7 He was trying to match up the height instead of the quickness. The quickness killed them.

Guess I'll watch some of Stumpy on the Pac 12 at 8:00 tonight should be a scrimmage - would be funny as hell to see them struggle. -- -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

TCU has their hands full with Cal State Bakersfield tonight-@ TCU. Tied @ 46 with 8 minutes left.

@Gorilla72 I was about to post this, heh.

Good teams in the B12: Kansas, Iowa State, KSU.

That's it.

West Virginia?

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

West Virginia?

Allegedly.

D2 win alert

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=401090313 ↗

BShark said:

Good teams in the B12: Kansas, Iowa State, KSU.

That's it.

TCU was without two of its best players, Fisher and Noi who are battling back from knee injuries. 6 guys played that hadn't been in a College Game before. They struggled and I think its a bit early to judge them based on the injuries. If those two guys gets healthy they have as good a starting 5 as anyone outside KU in the Big-12

@BeddieKU23 Fair enough. I had only just noticed the score, not the fact that they were without two players. KU would probably struggle without Q and Dedric.

@BShark Very dipolomatic of you (and I know it’s not your argument), but Dedric can be replaced with a frosh McDonald’s AA or a Jr. Top 100 recruit. Grimes replacement would likely be a top 50 recruit a Soph with good game experience.

I think KU’s struggle would be a little less against that level of competition. I don’t doubt TCU will give KU a game as long as Fisher is healthy though.

BShark said:

@BeddieKU23 Fair enough. I had only just noticed the score, not the fact that they were without two players. KU would probably struggle without Q and Dedric.

When I looked at the box score I knew Fisher was out but Noi also being out was a big hit to them. They are lucky they survived. Dixon has his work cut of for him if his star players are out

BeddieKU23 said:

BShark said:

@BeddieKU23 Fair enough. I had only just noticed the score, not the fact that they were without two players. KU would probably struggle without Q and Dedric.

When I looked at the box score I knew Fisher was out but Noi also being out was a big hit to them. They are lucky they survived. Dixon has his work cut of for him if his star players are out

Fisher had a second knee surgery 9/4, which is expected to keep him out 6-10 weeks. Sounds like he may make it back just in time for league play....

@BeddieKU23

Yep. TCU has no margin of error; his top two players cannot be replaced by anyone in the current roster.

Texas Hawk 10 said:

For the most part, the Silvio situation won't impact KU on the court. The one team that not having Silvio is really going to hurt Kansas is if they play Duke in the NCAA tournament. Silvio would've allowed Self to play a line up of Doke, Silvio, and Dedric against Duke's front line.

I disagree. Doke can't play against this Duke team. He's not agile enough to handle Zion. Duke would just go small and force Doke to cover Zion and that would be a huge mismatch in favor of Zion. Plus, Zion is so strong that Doke can't really bully him on the other end.

If KU plays Duke, they have to play their most agile guys. Doke probably can't play more than 10 or 15 minutes against this Duke team.

Doke can play against UK because he can match up against Travis inside and likely have an advantage. Doke is very matchup dependent. Against smaller teams, he will often end up at a bit of a disadvantage defensively, and if he isn't dominating in the post, he probably shouldn't play much.

Doke is going to have some games this year where he absolutely terrorizes teams and dunks them to death. He's going to have others where he probably shouldn't get on the floor more than a few minutes a game.

The question is whether Self is ready to swing that heavily in his lineups and rotations from game to game.

@justanotherfan

“He’s our first option,” Self said of Azubuike, who finished with 20 points and three rebounds. “Even though Dedric (Lawson) may lead us in scoring, everybody will tell you we want to play through Dok as much as possible.

“You know, I was probably not very bright last year, but I’ve never been a guy that thinks you take your best players out in a game. I don’t know how that breeds confidence," Self said. "But in his situation when I took him out late, I only took him out because we were switching ball screens. It didn’t have anything to do with free throws.”

Post Michigan St comments from Self on Azubuike.
It doesn't sound as if Self plans to sit Azubuike based on matchups or FT situations. He's option #1 in the offense and he doesn't believe in sitting his best players. Interesting comments

@justanotherfan I agree with you. I think we'll see less Doke against Nova as well.

@BeddieKU23

I hope those comments were to build confidence. Doke is a guy that fits on extremes. When he matches up well, he can be one of the most dominant players in the country. When he doesn't, he can be completely out of sorts on the floor. It's rare to have a player that can exist at both extremes, but Doke is that guy.

It's especially apparent because he isn't the type of guy that can hurt a team if he doesn't get to his spots. If you can push Doke out away from the basket, he can't really hurt you because he doesn't handle the ball well enough to make combination moves.

Self's in a tricky spot, here.

@justanotherfan

I believe under @Texas-Hawk-10 scenario, Silvio, who is big, strong and agile, would be guarding Zion rather that Doke which makes sense to me.

justanotherfan said:

@BeddieKU23

I hope those comments were to build confidence. Doke is a guy that fits on extremes. When he matches up well, he can be one of the most dominant players in the country. When he doesn't, he can be completely out of sorts on the floor. It's rare to have a player that can exist at both extremes, but Doke is that guy.

It's especially apparent because he isn't the type of guy that can hurt a team if he doesn't get to his spots. If you can push Doke out away from the basket, he can't really hurt you because he doesn't handle the ball well enough to make combination moves.

Self's in a tricky spot, here.

You make good points. If Doke is struggling with a matchup like he did Villanova last year then I hope he's smart enough to recognize that and make adjustments if needed.

We will see in a month what happens when Nova comes to town. Doke is healthy and in great shape which I don't think was the case last season, especially in the post-season. He needs to prove himself in situations like this because the NBA is watching.

Your right though Self is in a tricky spot. Azubuike is a literal (huge) advantage against most teams in the country. It sounds as if Self doesn't want to gameplan to take away one of his most explosive players on the team. That could do more harm then good from a team and individual perspective. We may just have to see if Doke can improve against matchups that don't favor him.

@justanotherfan I wouldn't have Doke on Zion at all unless he's in the paint. With a Doke, Dedric, and Silvio front court, I would've put Dedric or Silvio on Zion and let Doke and guard on one of the other bigs.

Everyone talking up Duke never mentions that UK started 3 freshmen in the back court and none of them can defend a lick. These freshmen playing against freshmen in games like this also make it easy. That game looked like a pickup game to me. Hardly any offensive sets and ZERO defense on both sides.

If Duke were to go small with Zion at the 5, there's no one for Doke to guard. That's my whole point. If Duke keeps a traditional lineup with Zion at the 4, then Doke is okay to stay in the game and guard their big man. But if Doke goes small with Zion at the 5, Doke has to come out of the game because he can't guard Zion, Barrett or Reddish.

Every coach in the country saw what Villanova did to KU in the Final Four last year. There are only a handful of teams that can exploit that, but Duke happens to be one of them.

On the note of UK looking bad against Kentucky, I think we are overhyping the sample size. Think of it this way. If KU's game against Villanova had been to start the season, rather than in the Final Four, there would have been panic throughout Jayhawk land after seeing Villanova take KU apart the way that they did. The reality is that it was just a bad matchup for KU, and that Villanova likely beats KU 9 out of 10 times because KU couldn't match up with them. It didn't mean that KU wasn't any good. It just meant that Villanova exploited all of KU's weaknesses.

Duke was the same for UK. If that game was in April instead of November, no one would say that UK was bad. Everyone would talk about how sharp Duke was, how overwhelmingly talented, etc. Duke is going to do that to a lot of people this year - not just UK. I need to watch them again to see how to stop them, but I have some ideas bouncing around my head.

@justanotherfan UK is losing tonight

I wish I could get a money line on the UK game tonight. I'd put $100 on it.

UK is playing an SIU team who returned all 5 starters and has the size to be able to compete. I don't necessarily expect UK to lose, but I definitely expect SIU to cover the 18 point spread.

Oh and that SIU team didn't have this guy on their 20 win team from a year ago: https://siusalukis.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=3506 ↗

He's back and he's a monster.

@Kcmatt7

Most of their starters/scorers are Sr's, good recipe for keeping it close

The SIU-UK game is on SECN tonight. No other way to watch?

@Gorilla72 Do you not get SECN when you stream ESPN3?

There’s a handful of good games on tonight.

Iowa St / Mizzou

Auburn / Washington ( both top 25)

Providence / Shockers

Arkansas / Texas

NC Greensboro / LSU

Buffalo / WVU

Good night for the couch and a cold beverage!

@Woodrow WSU v Providence is on at 5. Brews are in the fridge already. Going to be a great night.

Auburn/Washington looks like a good one

@Kcmatt7

I get both the SEC and Big 10 networks on YouTube TV.

Buffalo/ West Virginia. Too bad its not a neutral site. Buffalo knocked off Arizona and returns most of the same team. They can compete and win this one

@JayHawkFanToo Oh yea I get the games. I was curious as to what @Gorilla72 was using that caused him to have issues.

@Kcmatt7 - I've "cut the cord" and and only have AppleTV and NetFlix. I usually subscribe to SlingTV for ESPN, ESPN2 and ESPN3. Now I'm thinking I'll drop Netflix and go with YouTube TV (if I can get it through ROKU or Apple TV).

@Gorilla72 I really would have thought you could still get SECN through Sling.

@Gorilla72

I get YouTube TV on Roku sticks (newer ones) with no problem. I get all the ESPNs, Fox Sports, SEC, Big 10, NBA, Major League baseball and a number of other sports channels, including several soccer channels, tennis, golf, Olympic sports...you name it plus unlimited recording and 3 simultaneous stream and the local network station to boot. Great for sports lovers.

@JayHawkFanToo - y'all have convinced me. I dropped Netflix but did NOT add Sling. I subscribed to YouTube TV today and will come out of hibernation next March. My net cost was a $7 increase for a LOT more sports and regular TV.

@Kcmatt7 - I would have had ESPN1, 2 & 3, but no ESPNU or SECN via SlingTV.

I think the problem is now solved. Thanks to you both! RCJH!

@Gorilla72

I think you will be happy. I have an offer to go back to Hulu for one year for $5.99 per month and I am staying with YouTube TV. I still have Netflix but I keep it mostly for when the grand kids come over but I am seriously considering doing away with it. Amazon Prime gives you a lot of free movies and free second day shipping for less money.

JayHawkFanToo said:

@Gorilla72

I think you will be happy. I have an offer to go back to Hulu for one year for $5.99 per month and I am staying with YouTube TV. I still have Netflix but I keep it mostly for when the grand kids come over but I am seriously considering doing away with it. Amazon Prime gives you a lot of free movies and free second day shipping for less money.

Amazon Prime has been putting out good content too lately.

Marvelous Mrs. Maisel is great as well as Jack Ryan.

@JayHawkFanToo and @Kcmatt7 - I have Amazon Prime and can watch it on Roku and Apple TV. However, I find it almost impossible to rewind or fast forward the video. It's not my first choice. However, I have over 200 iTune movies plus YouTubeTV now. Settling in for the winter....

Marvelous Mrs. Maisel is fascinating. I'll check out Jack Ryan.

Should we move this to the TV Room on the board? Oh, wait.....

Gorilla72 said:

@JayHawkFanToo - y'all have convinced me. I dropped Netflix but did NOT add Sling. I subscribed to YouTube TV today and will come out of hibernation next March. My net cost was a $7 increase for a LOT more sports and regular TV.

@Kcmatt7 - I would have had ESPN1, 2 & 3, but no ESPNU or SECN via SlingTV.

I think the problem is now solved. Thanks to you both! RCJH!

Sling has an addon for $5 a month that gives you

ESPN News

ESPN U

SEC

SEC+

Goal Line

NBA TV

NHL Net

Stadium 1, 2, 3

begin sports

5 pac12 channels &

outside tv

That said we have tried Directtv Now, but I want nothing to do with AT&T and didn't care for there UI. HULU still needs a lot of work. Now that our annual drive around the country to see the pretty leaves is over we're giving youtube tv a shot.

@lurker - looks like I get more with YouTube TV for a $10 difference. Let me know how you like it. I have 7 days.

@Kcmatt7 was right guys....

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=401083123 ↗

Kentucky 31-28 over SIU at the half. Hit two FT right at the end or it would have been one pt...

ISU handling Missouri w/o Wigginton as well as the bigs they are missing... Basically they are playing their 2nd team...

@BShark The Salukis are giving them the bizness. No way is tucky a Top 5 team.

@JayHawkFanToo I got Starz thru Hulu, and it's 8.99 a month. Cheap, cheap. I love Starz ...so many movies, it's ridiculous.

@BigBad tucky is getting their ass beat by Southern Illinois. Down by 5 at home in the 2nd half. I am completely unimpressed by the them.

uk sucks

Kcmatt7 said:

uk sucks

Missouri too. ISU's B team is now up on them by 17...

@BShark This is exciting... Tucky getting beat by ...Southern Illinois...

Kennesaw State up on BRUUUUUUUUUUUUUCE 8 minutes in.

Kentucky is just looks really confused lol - -The only way they really in this right now -- is strictly on the height disadvantage - -SIU is staying right with them - - AT Kentucky

Kentucky has PTSD.

Don't worry guys. The refs took out SIU's best player by fouling him out.

KU would beat this SIU team like a drum

KSU still on the struggle bus against Kennesaw State. Up 27-25 with 4 minutes until halftime.

Looks like Tucky will survive, but they have been exposed.

Kentucky has a lot of raw talent and potential but low Basketball IQ and they need to learn to play together as a team and inexperience is showing. They will get better as the season progresses but their season can go sideways pretty quick. This will be a long season for Cal and Kentucky fans...I like it.:smile:

KUSTEVE said:

Looks like Tucky will survive, but they have been exposed.

44-18 rebounding advantage gave them this game basically. Which is earned don't get me wrong. But UK suuuucks and they won't outrebound many P5 teams like this.

BShark said:

KUSTEVE said:

Looks like Tucky will survive, but they have been exposed.

44-18 rebounding advantage gave them this game basically. Which is earned don't get me wrong. But UK suuuucks and they won't outrebound many P5 teams like this.

I was just going to say the ONY UK won this game was strictly hght. - -Once they started driving the ball and dishing to the big guys it was over or UK rebounded miss. - -UK is NOT the # 2 team in the Country - - UK is NOT the # 5 team in the country - - I seriously doubt they belong in the top 10 right at this point

Like someone else said- -It very easily be a long season for them - -Challenges from - -LSU - - Auburn - -and more then anywhere else - -Tennessee - I think I like that. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

BShark said:

KUSTEVE said:

Looks like Tucky will survive, but they have been exposed.

44-18 rebounding advantage gave them this game basically. Which is earned don't get me wrong. But UK suuuucks and they won't outrebound many P5 teams like this.

No guard play

Southern Illinois lost this game after their center fouled out. Then Tucky just murdered them inside. While their center was still on the floor, it was anybody's game. To me, they look like a first weekend exit type team. Completely over rated.

I think it's pretty easy to say that the Big 12 is down sure looks like to me. -I mean ya it's just the start BUT Baylor lost - -K- Straight really struggled with their little cupcake - Texas in overtime -But it was Arkansas at least I dunno - just appears like it's gonna be a down year-- WV in a struggle at the present.

Oh check this out. - -Read a statement about Texas - -said with the commitment of Baker for next year - -the article say Texas can compete with ANY front line in the Nation. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

I don’t think huggie looks very good.

WVU and Buffalo in OT.

OH BOY

Hugs going down

Buffalo beats West Viriginia at home. Buffalo is good but WVU should not be losing to them.

Oregon beats up on Eastern Washington with their star Bol Bol getting a double/double in 29 minutes against a team with no starter over 6’7”. Wow.

Oklahoma State was up 52-30 with 12 minutes to go and lost.

@BShark They lead by 18 at halftime, and LOSE. I'm putting them last in the B12.

Duke 67 ARMY 61 with 12 minutes to play. MAYBE KENTUCKY SUCKS.

Dang, missed it. They zone it?

BShark said:

Duke 67 ARMY 61 with 12 minutes to play. MAYBE KENTUCKY SUCKS.

LMAO - -or maybe a combination of the two. -- Duke played a little better then now. - -Kentucky supposed big & bad - -Duke coming out more pumped & Kentucky sucks lmao -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

BShark said:

Duke 67 ARMY 61 with 12 minutes to play. MAYBE KENTUCKY SUCKS.

With Kentucky needing free throws to beat SIU at Rupp, and Duke looking mortal today against Army, I think we can say that the annihilation in the champions classic game was in large part due to Kentucky sucking, and not so much Duke being so good that they could beat the Cleveland Cavaliers. Duke looked today pretty much how I expected them to look before the season began; Cam, RJ, and Zion doing a lot and the rest of the team not doing much. Thank goodness we don't need to cancel the season and just give Duke the national title right now.

Michigan St. is looking good against FGCU. Up 59-35 at halftime.

Michigan St. 106 - Florida Gulf Coast 82

Nick Ward (25 points, 10 rebounds, 4 assists) is very happy not to be playing against Doke.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Michigan St. 106 - Florida Gulf Coast 82

Nick Ward (25 points, 10 rebounds, 4 assists) is very happy not to be playing against Doke.

It's almost like this was a really good win.

MSU on 2 pt baskets

Against Kansas 38%

Against FGCU 61%

The defense was actually alright. They shot out of their mind from three and the refs called it super tight.

BShark said:

Oklahoma State was up 52-30 with 12 minutes to go and lost.

Controversial play to end the game. State up by 3 with 7 seconds left and they foul to send the other team to the line instead of hitting the 3. Typical foul but the refs call it flagrant so they get to shoot and made 2 FTs, got the ball out of bounds, inbound and hit a 3 to win the game.

Iowa St's Wigginton is in a boot. Looks like he's going to be out a while. Huge loss for ISU.

Future opponent alert:

Markus Howard of Marquette went for 37, 8 rbs with 7 3's. Great shooter will be a tough matchup

@BeddieKU23 I keep saying they are going to be tough. Our perimeter defense better be ready.

KUSTEVE said:

@BeddieKU23 I keep saying they are going to be tough. Our perimeter defense better be ready.

Depends on how 'on' Howard is against us. I mentioned the older Hauser is the other matchup worry. They lack size though and will have to rely on perimeter shooting a great deal. That's the worry though as you've said. We seem to always struggle guarding the perimeter

Texas ain't it.

UTSA giving OU a game...

UT was an 18 pt favorite.

OU was only a 9 pt favorite on the road. UTSA has done well in the last few years.

UTSA lost to a D2 school in their first game. But definitely props to OU for going on the road early. Texas is shockingly bad but still undefeated, kinda funny.

The ESPN2 broadcast of Stanford/UNC seems to have magnified the crowd and the shoe squeaks. I can barely hear the announcers.

Anybody else notice this?

Michigan at Villanova and Marquette at Indiana are going to be interesting games to watch. I'm not going to make predictions because I'm self-imposing a prediction ban after taking Kentucky to beat Duke by 10-15. I want Marquette and Villanova to win because they're on KU's schedule.

@KirkIsMyHinrich

Indiana (-5.5) and Villanova (-7) are playing at home and they should win.

@JayHawkFanToo - it will be interesting to see Romeo Langford play for Indiana. I don’t think he has much of a supporting cast.

I'll take Marquette over Indiana tonight.

@Gorilla72

Indiana has several players coming back and is predicted to finish in the top 4. Archie Miller is a very good coach, perhaps the best of the younger coaches, and would be on my list of potential replacements for Coach Self when he retires.

I like Marquette straight up over Indiana. Indiana returns a worse team than Marquette, only Romeo is the difference. I don't think he's enough.

I think Duke covers the massive 26 point spread.

I think UK does not cover the massive 26 point spread.

I think Florida Covers and Nebraska Covers.

I like Michigan to cover and I like Michigan and Villanova to be under the 138 O/U.

I like Houston to cover the 24 point spread against Rice.

I like Boston College to cover.

I don't like MSU to cover.

I like Arizona to cover against a truly awful UTEP team.

Notre Dame probably covers 12 on Radford.

Wyoming probably covers 13 on Grambling. Both truly awful teams though.

I like Saint Marys to beat NMSU, but it should be a good one.

Michigan up on Nova early in a rematch of the championship game

@BeddieKU23 Belein is a great defensive coach.

Doke would've had a T on that growl!

Woah, Michigan made about last season? Yeesh!

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Woah, Michigan made about last season? Yeesh!

Michigan points against this season: 44, 37 and now just 13 points in 16 minutes for Nova...

@BShark They look fantastic. Amazing they are only ranked 18th.

Jay giving up?

BShark said:

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Woah, Michigan made about last season? Yeesh!

Michigan points against this season: 44, 37 and now just 13 points in 16 minutes for Nova...

Yeah, against Norfolk St. and Holy Cross... I expected Villanova to be a little different.

Jre, you wanna change your mind?

Apparently Brunson, Bridges, DiVincenzo, and Spellman were an important part of that team last season. Who knew.

KUSTEVE said:

@BShark They look fantastic. Amazing they are only ranked 18th.

I find it hilarious that Michigan, with a Kentucky cast-off (Charles Matthews) is better than Kentucky.

Belein doing it again here folks... Simpson #67 Poole #93, Livers #133, Teske #142

Best player development around!

@KirkIsMyHinrich Well yeah, but still.

@BShark I want Nova to win because it helps KU, but I can't say I'm too sad about what's happening right now.

I think Nova is saving all of their made field goals for the game in Lawrence.

So apparently Luke Yaklich has a lot to do with their defense. Interesting.

Per @ESPNStatsInfo, this is Villanova’s biggest halftime deficit since Feb. 3, 2003, when St. Joe’s led them by 28.

Soooooooo is the media going to talk about how BAD Jahvon Quinerly is? YIKES.

Dam , I turned on the game to Watch some Villanova - - Michigan. wouldn't you know = all I got was a Michigan practice/scrimmage lmao' - - I could of swore they were suppose to play. lol

Now I know they have a 2nd half - -but man Michigan all up in that Villanova ass - -lol , you think they miss the 4 that went to the NBA? -gonna be really really hard to come back from a 27 point deficit. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

I wonder what their low for a half is. It can't be much fewer than 17 points.

BShark said:

Soooooooo is the media going to talk about how BAD Jahvon Quinerly is? YIKES.
Hell they were ALL BAD - - lol - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

@BShark I want Nova to win because it helps KU, but I can't say I'm too sad about what's happening right now.

I love it -- Almost laughable. -- -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Crimsonorblue22 said:

Jre, you wanna change your mind?

Lol - - -ummm - -well - -well -- I dunno let me ask Coach lol

jayballer73 said:

BShark said:

Soooooooo is the media going to talk about how BAD Jahvon Quinerly is? YIKES.
Hell they were ALL BAD - - lol - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

He barely played in that half. I mean in general. Quinerly is not ready. Wright doesn't trust him. Wright isn't playing a 5* PG OMG HE IS A MONSTER CAN'T BE TRUSTED LIKE BILLY SELF.

BShark said:

jayballer73 said:

BShark said:

Soooooooo is the media going to talk about how BAD Jahvon Quinerly is? YIKES.
Hell they were ALL BAD - - lol - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

He barely played in that half. I mean in general. Quinerly is not ready. Wright doesn't trust him. Wright isn't playing a 5* PG OMG HE IS A MONSTER CAN'T BE TRUSTED LIKE BILLY SELF.

ya what coupe of minutes I did see him - -he turned it over right of the bat - - -dribbled right into the defender lol - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

I bet JRE can't wait to play the 3 in this prolific offense.

Remember when KU made MSU's offense look alright? http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=401082472 ↗

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

Let's check in on ranked Clemson!

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=401082644 ↗

Man explain to me how the officials came up with that call when they started to get in the little scuffle.

I think it was brooks that stripped the ball was getting ready to break out for Michigan just flat ass grabbed and heled him and yet they CALLED Brooks for a hook and hold while the kid that grabbed him got noting - - ya ok I call BS

30 points with like 32 minutes played.-We all know Villanova is better then this -tonight they look like warm leftover Dog doo lmao. ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

cmon Michigan...get it back to 30..

4 minutes left and Quinerly has only played 5 minutes. Didn’t start. Hhmmmm....

Gorilla72 said:

4 minutes left and Quinerly has only played 5 minutes. Didn’t start. Hhmmmm....

Have you seen how he has play in the time he has been in 1 foul - -like 3 to's - -a diaster looking for a place to happen - - ROCK CHALK ALLD AY LONG BABY

Gorilla72 said:

4 minutes left and Quinerly has only played 5 minutes. Didn’t start. Hhmmmm....

JAY WRIGHT BURIES 5* FR ON THE BENCH. I NEED THIS NARRATIVE FROM THE NATIONAL MEDIA LIKE THEY DID WITH BILL.

passes out

Indiana burying Marquette....

Jeff Borzello
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Here’s a wild one from @ESPNStatsInfo ... There have been SIX instances ever where a top-10 team lost at home by 25-plus.

Villanova now has THREE of those six (tonight, 2014 Creighton, 1995 Georgetown).

Some interesting results, Notre Dame upsets at home by Radford and Boston College also upset at home by IUPUI.

Duke starters went 1-11 from 3 and the rest of the team 4-13 for a putrid 20.8%, I guess they feel that with their 3 starters scoring inside they don’t need outside shooting and it might turn out to be their Achilles heel.

Michigan beats Nova, Indiana over Marquette and Nebraska over Seton Hall and the Big 10 goes 3-0 over the Big East.

Ignas Brazdeikis is legit for Michigan. Freshman is averaging 16 and 6 so far.

Future opponent alerts: New Mexico St gets beat by 15 by Saint Mary's. Marquette gets embarrassed by Indiana by 23.

@BeddieKU23 If you watched that game, guy is an animal. Hope he goes pro after this season.

Michigan looks like a top 5 team. Can play solid defense, have good guard play, and can shoot 1-5.

Kcmatt7 said:

@BeddieKU23 If you watched that game, guy is an animal. Hope he goes pro after this season.

Michigan looks like a top 5 team. Can play solid defense, have good guard play, and can shoot 1-5.

Yeah I have seen him play. I thought he was an underrated recruit (#40) but I am a bit surprised he's this good this early. He definitely makes Michigan formidable if he's the 2nd scorer to Matthews. Changes everything for this team.

I think Michigan was a motivated group last night after losing the NC game to them. Villanova is going to struggle after losing so much but I don't think anyone could have predicted this kind of struggle. Like the Duke game last week I'm not ready to overreact but Michigan has put themselves in the top tier conversation if they can play like that over the course of the season/post season

Nova looks like a 2 man team. And Booth really isn't able to create his own shot well enough to carry them, imo. Their PG play is atrocious too though. They look like an early exit this season.

Watched the IU/Marquette game last night. Man I wish Grimes would drive it like Romeo.

@Kcmatt7

Too early to tell but sure looks like Nova will not be anywhere close to last season but then, it has been only a couple of games and maybe Wright will right the ship. Same situation with Kentucky.

@JayHawkFanToo And, interestingly, both are on our schedule.

@HighEliteMajor

Hopefully KU will play to its potential and win both games convincingly.

Kcmatt7 said:

@BeddieKU23 If you watched that game, guy is an animal. Hope he goes pro after this season.

Michigan looks like a top 5 team. Can play solid defense, have good guard play, and can shoot 1-5.

Looks like and I know it's just one game but looks like Romeo is legit for sure. -- - Not that we didn't know that , but seeing him pay in game time conditions ya legit. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Michigan looked great. In 3 games, teams are averaging 42.3 ppg against the Wolverines. Michigan fans are showering praise on assistant coach Luke Yaklich right now.

In 2 weeks UNC travels to Ann Arbor to play Michigan. Both teams should have no losses coming into that game. I can't wait to watch the Tarheels up-tempo offense against Michigan's defense.

I wonder how much longer Danny is going to survive at Wake. They are currently getting drilled by St. Joes.

There are a couple good games tonight as well.

UCONN / Syracuse

Ohio St. / Creighton

Wichita St. / Davidson

Oregon / Iowa

@Woodrow

His seat is very hot. Barring a noticeable improvement over last season, Danny is likely out at Wake Forest.

Woodrow said:

I wonder how much longer Danny is going to survive at Wake. They are currently getting drilled by St. Joes.

lost by 20. ouchy

@Woodrow I wouldn't think very long, but they also extended him out for a good chunk of change.. So who knows.

I think Manning might have already been gone if Jaylen Hoard jumped ship from his last class. I knew it was going to be difficult for Danny when he unexpectedly lost his starting backcourt

Process KT if necessary to bring back Danny. If not required, keep KT and find room for Danny on the staff if he wants to come back.

Director of Basketball Operations. Welcome back, Danny...

KUSTEVE said:

Director of Basketball Operations. Welcome back, Danny...

Whatever is required. He does excellent work with bigs... Dave could really use his tutelage.

@Kcmatt7

I don't get why programs extend contracts of marginal coaches with limited appeal. I get they want to send a message to recruits that the coach is safe but in the process the extend the stay of a poor or marginal coach or get themselves along term financial liability

@JayHawkFanToo at the time I liked the extension for them. He was recruiting well and everything seemed on the rise for the program. But it does appear that Danny really did luck into his run with Tulsa and that he isn’t much of a HC.

BShark said:

Process KT if necessary to bring back Danny. If not required, keep KT and find room for Danny on the staff if he wants to come back.

that's what I was wondering , where would we find a position for him? - -Would love to have him working with the Big men like he use to. - Question is would Danny come back in any kind of assistant role position after being the Head Coach at a couple of different schools now. -- ROCK CHALK ALL DY LONG BABY

I think we lucked out not landing Chukwu for Syracuse

Kcmatt7 said:

I think we lucked out not landing Chukwu for Syracuse

Iirc KU passed.

BShark said:

Kcmatt7 said:

I think we lucked out not landing Chukwu for Syracuse

Iirc KU passed.

Word is we actually asked him to walk-on. We were full on scholarships at the time. But Syracuse as a starter vs KU as a backup walk-on, it was an easy decision.

Edit: I have it on VERY good authority that's how it went down.

Kcmatt7 said:

BShark said:

Kcmatt7 said:

I think we lucked out not landing Chukwu for Syracuse

Iirc KU passed.

Word is we actually asked him to walk-on. We were full on scholarships at the time. But Syracuse as a starter vs KU as a backup walk-on, it was an easy decision.

Edit: I have it on VERY good authority that's how it went down.

Ah, same difference then LOL.

@BShark Lol fiar enough

West Virginia is losing to Monmouth midway through the first half. Monmouth is 0-3...

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

West Virginia is losing to Monmouth midway through the first half. Monmouth is 0-3...

I avoided betting on this game today because I just don't know that WVU can score.

Kcmatt7 said:

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

West Virginia is losing to Monmouth midway through the first half. Monmouth is 0-3...

I avoided betting on this game today because I just don't know that WVU can score.

They weren't really a good scoring team last season. They relied on Carter and Miles forcing turnovers and scoring in transition. Now their backcourt sucks and they have to score a lot more in half-court sets.

Davidson and the Shockers ties with 2 minutes to go.

Woodrow said:

Davidson and the Shockers ties with 2 minutes to go.

Down 5 just friggin banked a guarded 3. Davidson will have to hit their FTs most likely to secure a win.

Davidson won by 4.

Iowa up 48-38 on Oregon with 12:00 in the 2nd half. The Big Ten is lowkey crushing it lately.

Bol Bol has 14 points on 5/10 shooting for Oregon. 0/1 on 3’s. 5 rebounds and only one foul. He’s not nearly aggressive enough.

Gorilla72 said:

Bol Bol has 14 points on 5/10 shooting for Oregon. 0/1 on 3’s. 5 rebounds and only one foul. He’s not nearly aggressive enough.

He needed a coach that would drive him. Dana Altman ain't it. He would have clashed with Self or Cal but have potentially turned out better for it.

@KirkIsMyHinrich

Iowa is interesting. Have some 4 star talent and experience. Might be coming together finally.

Zags crushed Texas A&M by 23. A&M has hit hard times after that fire sale they had last season

Uconn has good guards and last night they were teeing it up for 3, 9 of 14 from their trio. Both teams were horrendous in the post, horrendous

Jalen Carey is everything I thought he'd be. Really wanted him at KU. Had 26 last night. Didn't know he was a Cuse fan growing up and grew up close to campus. Makes sense why he ended up there.

TCU still without Noi & Fisher. Fresno St gave them a game. TCU desperately needs its starters back to do anything this year

BeddieKU23 said:

Zags crushed Texas A&M by 23. A&M has hit hard times after that fire sale they had last season

Gonzaga Duke is the game we need.

The MSM darling ACC went 2-2 yesterday, ranked 3 after the Big 10 and Big 12.

@JayHawkFanToo May be a bit too early to really compare conferences. ACC has 5 losses total among 15 teams - only 2 of those probably rate as "bad" losses. B12 has 3 losses among its 10 teams, and all are bad losses. Very few quality wins by either conference. B12 has quality wins over MSU and... maybe Arkansas? ACC has wins over Kentucky and Florida and... maybe Stanford? Several big non-conference match-ups over the holidays that may provide a better gauge of relative strength. The problem for the B12, which has too often been the case, is not enough of our schools schedule many games against the Power 5 schools. KU has a tough schedule - really no cupcakes - and, probably to Kruger's regret, OU has a killer schedule. Some of the B12's ostensibly better teams don't play anyone of note until conference games start.

Oregon just handed Syracuse a beating. Hopefully the Orange fall out of the Top 25 after losing to UConn and Oregon. Bol Bol finished with 26 points and 9 rebounds. Jim Boeheim's son, Buddy Boeheim, actually played meaningful minutes in a game with two Top 15 teams and shared a court with Bol Bol. He finished with 3 points on 1-5 shooting.

WSU would have lost to Appalachian St if App St. could make their free throws.

DCHawker said:

@JayHawkFanToo May be a bit too early to really compare conferences. ACC has 5 losses total among 15 teams - only 2 of those probably rate as "bad" losses. B12 has 3 losses among its 10 teams, and all are bad losses. Very few quality wins by either conference. B12 has quality wins over MSU and... maybe Arkansas? ACC has wins over Kentucky and Florida and... maybe Stanford? Several big non-conference match-ups over the holidays that may provide a better gauge of relative strength. The problem for the B12, which has too often been the case, is not enough of our schools schedule many games against the Power 5 schools. KU has a tough schedule - really no cupcakes - and, probably to Kruger's regret, OU has a killer schedule. Some of the B12's ostensibly better teams don't play anyone of note until conference games start.

Ostensibly ... word up.

@DCHawker

The day before Notre Dame and BC were upset by Redford and IUPUI. #15 Syracuse has now lost 2 games in a row.

WKU beat WVU by 6...

Wvu can’t score. There is a ton of bad basketball being played right now.

Oklahoma St. with a bad loss, the flagrant foul against them at the end was pretty trash though. Baylor with a bad loss, but has won 3 straight since. Everyone else unblemished except for West Virginia. Pick it up, Huggy bear.

@KirkIsMyHinrich

Agreed on the Oklahoma State foul call at the end of the game; clear example of the refs determining the outcome of games.

It is going to be long season for Huggy. At this time bottom half of the conference seem the likely result. Texas might be the biggest beneficiary since it might move it to top half of the conference and make Smart's seat less hot.

BShark said:

WKU beat WVU by 6...

Might be a Long year - -So is this a three team race this year? - -It is beginning to look like it might be a two team doggie race. - -KU - & K-State - -thought Huggy , stil way early but they struggling. - - I'm STILL not trippin on K-State - -they haven't exactly been that impressive so far - -ya early but until last night and that was not exactly against some upper crust. - -I'm just not worried about them. They have all these upper classmen - -haven't showed me mothing nrew - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

That Louisiana team could upset someone in the dance with the way they jack up threes.

dylans said:

That Louisiana team could upset someone in the dance with the way they jack up threes.

Their coach said it's not normal for them and that they changed their gameplan because of the way KU (doesn't) guard.

Good lord, Villanova is baaaaad.

@BShark what channel?

@Crimsonorblue22 Game is over. Furman won by 8 in OT at Nova.

FURMAN

@BShark just saw

Wow. And some folks think we arent any good... It could be a lot worse right now.

Hmmm. I'd take losing to Furman with a shiny NCAA title ring on the finger from last season. No doubt.

HighEliteMajor said:

Hmmm. I'd take losing to Furman with a shiny NCAA title ring on the finger from last season. No doubt.

No NCAAT bid seasons okay? Jay has some of those. Not saying the goal shouldn't be a title. Before his recent hot stretch, he had a couple hot seasons but lots of mediocrity and double digit loss seasons. Jay has had two 3 year stretches at Nova where if Self had them at KU people would be asking for his head. Let's see if he can sustain an elite program.

I guess what I am asking is would you rather have Jay Wright than Bill Self? And I don't think it's an absurd question.

Nova SHOULD win their next 7 before playing KU but who knows now. They play in a joke conference so they can easily still make the NCAAT this year. They SHOULD.

My niece just graduated from Furman. They've beaten half of last years final four this year because last weekend they knocked off Loyola.

Ethan Happ is now the all time rebounding leader at Wisconsin.

Give me Jay Wright and his 2 of the last 3 years championships at KU of course. That's what it's all about.

The Ferman Vermin take down Nova. Ferman rules...

Trying to imagine KU forums is KU had a 13-19 season like Jay did.

And Jay Wright, who is not Bill Self, benched a 5 star! Stop the presses!

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/gametracker/recap/NCAAB_20181117_FURMAN ↗@NOVA/

mayjay said:

And Jay Wright, who is not Bill Self, benched a 5 star! Stop the presses!

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/gametracker/recap/NCAAB_20181117_FURMAN ↗@NOVA/

Super happy this is getting national coverage.

I think he's a great coach, not a fan. Mario thing! Love what Mario hollered at him on the court!

@BShark I’d take a NC and missing the tourney the next season. No hesitation.

I can imagine your posts if Self went 13-19. My own as well...

@BShark What's up with the poofy hat? Are you a pirate?

@KUSTEVE ha ha! He's a crazy dude. Keeps me guessing.

@Crimsonorblue22 He's an odd fellow. That's why I like him.

i wish that some of you hadn't pissed off a certain conspiracy theorist ( ShoeCo). He would've written a novel about Dedric being under MK Ultra mind control, which is why he donked out of his last two games.

I think if we had 2 NCs in 3 I probably wouldn’t care if a few down seasons proceed it. Maybe Robinson-Earl changes his verbal lol. It doesn’t bother me to see a 5 star sit, I wish Bill would do it at times. Roy was famous for benching all 5 guys regardless of who they were if they started with no hustle and energy. I always liked the idea and most the time it worked out.

@kjayhawks self has sit them.

@Crimsonorblue22 It a very very very rare occasion

KUSTEVE said:

i wish that some of you hadn't pissed off a certain conspiracy theorist ( ShoeCo). He would've written a novel about Dedric being under MK Ultra mind control, which is why he donked out of his last two games.

OMG. :joy:

@BShark A NC the prior year should give the coach a complete pass for the next season in my eyes.

@kjayhawks Self sat Bragg, Alexander and Diallo all for significant periods of time, all being relegated to irrelevance at times. Oubre took a while to actually become a regular starter.

dam these commentators not really sure how far they have their nose buried up Wichita St - -a- - - lol - -making excuses for their play and for falling behind. -- 41-32 Alabama right now closing in on the 1st half - -fifth place game - -predicted for 8th in league this year

WSU now 2-3 after a loss to a bad Alabama team.

@BShark Like I said the other day - -Think Marsha in for a long season. -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

KUSTEVE said:

i wish that some of you hadn't pissed off a certain conspiracy theorist ( ShoeCo). He would've written a novel about Dedric being under MK Ultra mind control, which is why he donked out of his last two games.

I was wondering where Jaybate went...

BShark said:

WSU now 2-3 after a loss to a bad Alabama team.

If it wasn't for Vick going lights out for the last two games, we might be in a similar spot

StLJhawk said:

KUSTEVE said:

i wish that some of you hadn't pissed off a certain conspiracy theorist ( ShoeCo). He would've written a novel about Dedric being under MK Ultra mind control, which is why he donked out of his last two games.

I was wondering where Jaybate went...

No one actually knows unfortunately.

@BShark I'm hoping he's ok and he just got tired of catching flack for his brand of brilliant. I miss the guy.

Was watching Indiana and Arkansas game. Interested in seeing Romeo. He got his points but not impressed w their offense. Reminds me of AZ - must run in the family. Neither team looked good. No offensive plays for Romeo - no sets or isolation for him. BS knows how to scheme his talent and his team strengths - eg Doke. I get why he chose IU, but he’s not playing for a winner. Lots of standing around on the wing. No motion. But he is good.

@StLJhawk He'll be back. I miss his posts.

Kentucky is worse than KU defending the 3, VMI just broke the record for 3s at Rupp.

JayHawkFanToo said:

Kentucky is worse than KU defending the 3, VMI just broke their record for 3s at Rupp.

Kentucky won that game didn't they?

jayballer73 said:

JayHawkFanToo said:

Kentucky is worse than KU defending the 3, VMI just broke their record for 3s at Rupp.

Kentucky won that game didn't they?

Yes but...it's VMI...

Put it another way. They are ranked 311 on Kenpom

Not that we didn't just struggle against 309...

Kcmatt7 said:

Not that we didn't just struggle against 309...

No? Louisiana and Vermont are in the 120 range.

BShark said:

jayballer73 said:

JayHawkFanToo said:

Kentucky is worse than KU defending the 3, VMI just broke their record for 3s at Rupp.

Kentucky won that game didn't they?

Yes but...it's VMI...

Right I know was meaning anything negative or being a smart as - - I just didn't knw , watched just a little bit of it

Dam Villanova AND Syracuse both fell completely out of the top 25 --- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Watched most of San Diego State vs Duke. Lots of frustration on the faces of the SDSU players for fouls on minor stuff. Duke is good and free throws didn't win the game, but there wasn't much continuity.

Note: seems like every game today, the big men were setting screens with legs wide apart, but no calls.....

@jayballer73

I just said UK is worse than KU defending the 3. If not for all that height VMI could have won. UK will be killed by competent teams that can shoot the 3.

Refs helping out Arizona against ISU at the end here.

wissox said:

Refs helping out Arizona against ISU at the end here.

Oh wow, I thought ISU was going to coast to a win. Unfortunate.

I don't care that much except for a strong big12 is good for KU. There have been 3 total head scratching calls that has Walton, normally an arizona supporter baffled.

Arizona is one of the few schools I always cheer against. Plus I do like Prohm.

There's no one in KC watching TTech/USC

@jaybate-1-0 has been spending the last month writing his next post.

@wissox In the words of @stupidmichael, ”I’m scared!”

If you get a chance, ISU-ILL. Bill Walton and Jason Benetti on the Mic. Benetti is a great straight man to Walton. ESPN2 right now. Good game too.

wissox said:

If you get a chance, ISU-ILL. Bill Walton and Jason Benetti on the Mic. Benetti is a great straight man to Walton. ESPN2 right now. Good game too.

ya I've been watching this game -- Benetti doing a good job putting up with Walton - -firing jabs right back lol- -Walton is a mess , sometimes he ACTUALLY can be funny at least a little bit - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Interested to see Duke and Auburn getting ready to tip. Auburn is a top 10 team so hoping to see a close game and how Duke responds to that.

Really hoping to get Duke and Zags tomorrow even though Zags are without Tillie.

The same Indiana team that whipped Marquette is in a game with UT Arlington...

How is it possible Duke has 13 pts off free throws but Auburn is 0/0?

How is it possible Duke has 13 pts off free throws but Auburn is 0/0?

Gorilla72 said:

How is it possible Duke has 13 pts off free throws but Auburn is 0/0?

Really not hard to figure out why that it how it is. - -When you just continue to jack up 3's - you just become jump shooters settling for that- -your NOT gonna get a lot of three throws. - -Mean while back at the Ranch - -Duke is inside/outside. - -you have to at least attempt to get the ball inside.

It's gonna take a really storm almost perfect performance have that chance to beat them. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer73 Benetti is a White Sox announcer. I get to listen to him and Steve Stone all baseball season. He's an amazing up and coming announcer. Has cerebral palsy too.

TCU down 8 to Lipscomb with 12 minutes to go

@jayballer73 - I thought Auburn attacked more than the free throw discrepancy indicated. Auburn put up only 7 more 3’s than Duke. Duke was gifted that game at the FT line - by 18. Lots of (Luau) home cooking....

Duke had a 34-9 free throw advantage and Auburn didn't play close to their best game. And Duke still only won by 6. It won't take a perfect game to beat Duke, just a good one.

Gorilla72 said:

How is it possible Duke has 13 pts off free throws but Auburn is 0/0?

Now see Auburn goes inside 2 times here in the 2nd half gets fouls 4 points -- they were down 13 - -and that's the difference of the game 13 points

Well just looking at it differently I guess it's ok - -If you were listening to Jay though he was say the same exactly thing - -jacking up a lot of three's especially in the 1st half. - - your not going to get free throws that way - -also the three's led out to a lot of breakout situations for Duke - in the 1st half - - 2nd half Auburn starts driving the ball more kick out much better. - I was hoping for the upset - -just not to be.

@Woodrow - -they represented the Big 12 well - -they got beat - - DDAM. -- -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Just turned on the Gonzaga game and saw a Dos Equis commercial with Les Miles !

Dos Equis - official beer of the KU football team!

@Gorilla72 Part of the stadium upgrade.

@Gorilla72 Hey, if Dos Equis had been the official KU football beer in the mid '80s, maybe the tag line could've been "Keep it Bob Valesente" ?

Gorilla72 said:

How is it possible Duke has 13 pts off free throws but Auburn is 0/0?

Only 13? Duke will want its money back.:smile:

@JayHawkFanToo Auburn kept jacking up threes. Also, the refs missed a couple of flagrant fouls.

Nice comeback by the Zags, but they better not come out slow like that against Duke. Coach K's guys already got their scare (such as it was) tonight from Auburn, and should be ready.

Texas Tech takes the well regarded Cornshuckers to the woodshed, winning by 18.

@nwhawkfan Yes, strange 34 free throws from Dook and only 9 from Auburn but no one alive will bat an eye at it. Now if it was KU it would be all over the front page about how officials made errors in the game.

@kjayhawks Auburn doesn't drive the lane. From what I saw, I didn't see any swallowed whistles. I only watched the last 10 minutes, though. Auburn plays outside the perimeter.

@KUSTEVE I didn't watch but it really dont matter if it was KU there would an uproar regardless. Checking the box score Auburn did shoot more 3s by 7 but they shot more 2s than Dook.

I'm still pissed about the game stolen by puke in Hawaii. Sure Tyshawn turned it over a bunch but the last one which gave Duke a chance to win was because a duke player tripped him. Of course no call. Then a duk player takes about 4 steps with the ball before the kid makes the miracle shot from the corner. I hate that team.

@KUSTEVE

Wow. Nebraska was #26 and #24 in the two main polls, great win for Tech. and the conference.

@JayHawkFanToo They really handled them the 2nd half. That makes Tech 5-0.

When Wigginton and Lard get back, Iowa St. is going to be a problem. THT, Jacobson, and Shayok are good. They killed Illinois yesterday. They should have beaten Arizona.

Texas Tech was just slept on by most to start the season. They're well coached. Jarrett Culver looks to have improved a lot. Matt Mooney is an underrated transfer. They should be in the Top 25 next week.

Oklahoma just beat Florida.

KUSTEVE said:

@kjayhawks Auburn doesn't drive the lane. From what I saw, I didn't see any swallowed whistles. I only watched the last 10 minutes, though. Auburn plays outside the perimeter.

that's what I've been trying to say to. = - - - - Your not going to get fouled a lot when you settle for nothing but 3 pointers - -which they did a lot - more so in the 1st half then the 2nd - -very little driving the ball , really didn't see a lot of bad calls. You shoot all those outside you just make it easier for the defense

@KirkIsMyHinrich You are right about ISU. They beat SDS by 20. With OU's win over FLA. and Tech playing well...B12 is looking better than I thought they would. TCU losing to Lipscomb is bad, though.

Could Gonzaga beat an NBA team?

My column:

BShark said:

Could Gonzaga beat an NBA team?

My column:

Oh Decisions -Decisions , Duke/Gonzaga - - -OR Tennessee ? Louisville. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Duke gon' looooose

approxinfinity said:

Duke gon' looooose

Officiating pending.

Rat better get a T.O., baby. Dook is going down.

Well, another free throw discrepancy in the Duke/Gonzaga game. I’m not able to watch, but I’ll bet you tell me Gonzaga isn’t attacking the basket?

@Gorilla72 They are attacking the crap out of the basket.

Gonzaga is really REALLY good. Obviously they are shooting extremely well. They are playing without Killian Tillie right now. When he gets back forget about it.

@KirkIsMyHinrich OMG, I love watching them play. So smart...so much better team than Dook. They play as a team, and they play smart.

Rui Hachimura is the truth.

Typical Duke luck in Maui with the running banked 3.

And there's the BS call we were all waiting for.

Gorilla72 said:

Well, another free throw discrepancy in the Duke/Gonzaga game. I’m not able to watch, but I’ll bet you tell me Gonzaga isn’t attacking the basket?

I'm not sure WHO you are referring too but sure ain't me cause if you referring to last night then - you just plain was watching a totally different game.

How many times did you hear Bilas talking about how Auburn was making it easy for Duke by jacking up 3's . not looking to get in some jab for jab Auburn drove the ball to a degree in the 2nd half - -shot 9 free throws or maybe made 9 in the 2nd. Gonzaga drives some and hits outside - -Taking it to Duke - love it

Duke officials are imminent.

Both of these teams look so much more athletic than us.

15 -7 fouls.

17-2 free throws.

Ya okay.

approxinfinity said:

Both of these teams look so much more athletic than us.

Our guards aren't bad, but our bigs....WOOF.

Dook tears ... ESPN will go into mourning.

Zags about to blow it.

Clearly Gonzaga doesn’t know RJ is left handed, because they just keep letting him drive left. Pretty severe meltdown here.

Go Zags

They going to delay our game? It'd be nice to finish this one and then switch to ours.

zags missing some FTs

Bilas crying for some fouls. Classic.

Brutal shooting from the line.

ESPN has 4 highlight videos to watch at the top of their page all featuring the team losing this game right now.

nwhawkfan said:

Brutal shooting from the line.

Memphis-like

KU is on ESPN 2

What a no-call !

Barrett needs to pass the ball. He tried to be the hero 3 times at the end and got blocked all 3 times. Zion would at least get it on the rim.

And they're dancin' in the streets of Spokane.

Zags got a pretty nice whistle down the stretch there. Hell of a game.

nwhawkfan said:

What a no-call !

Dukie Bilas making the biased call from the sideline: “got the contact, couldn’t get the call”

1 Goes Down.

Down goes Duke...ESPN declares national mourning day.

Hachimura doing his best Doke impression and missing his last 4 FTs.

Bilas is such a homer, he should at least try to appear impartial.

Talent vs. Experience and experience won this one. They're going to win a title one of these years. Few always has them in contention.

KUSTEVE said:

Dook tears ... ESPN will go into mourning.

LMAO , now you play nice mister or all these Duke boy;s gonna take their ball and go home lmao

Most of the ESPN yahoos can't even pronounce Gonzaga's name right. (They're the "Zags", not the "Zogs.") You'd think after 20-some years in the limelight, somebody there could get it right.

wissox said:

Bilas crying for some fouls. Classic.

lol , of course he is he little Duke boys gonna fool around and get beat.Man Just seems to me they have such an attitude like they just can't be beat- -I can't stand these guys

Texas Hawk 10 said:

Talent vs. Experience and experience won this one. They're going to win a title one of these years. Few always has them in contention.

This really might be the year. This win was w/o Tillie.

The Clones look better than expected, same with OU without the ball hog. Tech has had a nice start, and Silo Tech is winning. TCU lost to a nobody last night.

@KUSTEVE

The Big 12 will have some good teams and not necessarily a down years as some predicted.

They're now pimping Gonzaga to be ahead of us next week. If we win out this week, and they don't rank us number 1 with a win over Marquette and Tennessee, then's there's no point in following the poll.

KUSTEVE said:

They're now pimping Gonzaga to be ahead of us next week. If we win out this week, and they don't rank us number 1 with a win over Marquette and Tennessee, then's there's no point in following the poll.

I really don't care who's #1 in November. Gonzaga can have their run at the top of the polls for now while KU builds their chemistry and gets to where they can be.

@KUSTEVE spoiler: Marquette ran KU out of the gym.

Ethan Happ is in the top 11 in the country in rebounds and assists. Not quite up there in points but still averaging 19 per game. If you get a chance watch him tomorrow against Oklahoma.

@BShark - um, what? Who ran who out of the gym? (Just giving you a hard time!) Great game! Rewatching it now...

@Gorilla72 Give him a hard time. He deserves it.

@BShark I saw a glimpse of an elite team today. I saw a pulse. 22-0 run was epic, just completely took away the game from Marquette. Flattened them. That was a run from an elite team. Now, let's do this an entire game.

Just noted: #6 Nevada doesn’t play a single ranked team all year. Interesting as it’s a senior laden team. I read somewhere they start all 5th year seniors.

Texas is beating the Tarholes. 7 minutes left...UT by 6.

KUSTEVE said:

Texas is beating the Tarholes. 7 minutes left...UT by 6.

up by 9 with 6 :58 to go - look pretty decent tonight

Gorilla72 said:

Just noted: #6 Nevada doesn’t play a single ranked team all year. Interesting as it’s a senior laden team. I read somewhere they start all 5th year seniors.

Nevada's probably going to enter the NCAA tournament undefeated and still probably be a 2 seed out west to Gonzaga's 1 seed because the Mountain West is really weak this year.

As weak as their schedule is, they may only be able to take 1 or 2 losses and still get an at large bid. They could be in a Utah St. scenario from several years ago where USU was ranked, only had 3 losses, but still didn't get an at large bid because of their schedule. Nevada is probably going to end up with a sub 200 SoS this season.

That would be pretty absurd but obviously they would have brought it upon themselves. That sure adds a lot of pressure.

Huge win for Texas and the league.

The MSU win continues to look great...

Great win for Texas, perhaps the best it has had since Smart took over. The game against Michigan State should tell us a lot about both teams.

JayHawkFanToo said:

Great win for Texas, perhaps the best it has had since Smart took over. The game against Michigan State should tell us a lot about both teams.

Roy is 1-6 against Texas since going to UNC. That includes at least 2 losses to Shaka including last night.

@Texas-Hawk-10

Where were UNC and Texas ranked in previous meets? UNC is #7 and Texas unranked so far although that is bound to change.

Nevada upset last night too. Wow

@Kcmatt7 pretty sure Nevada won last night

@Kcmatt7 nevada won. 96-86.

@KUSTEVE bleacher report man

@Kcmatt7 been there...done that...got the t-shirt...

JayHawkFanToo said:

@Texas-Hawk-10

Where were UNC and Texas ranked in previous meets? UNC is #7 and Texas unranked so far although that is bound to change.

I know for sure this isn't least the second time Shaka has beaten UNC while at Texas. The announcers were mentioning that the first time Shaka did it was his first signature win at Texas so I assume that time UNC was ranked while Texas wasn't.

Danny Manning and Wake Forest fall to Houston Baptist in OT. His chair must be getting warm. Really want him to succeed!

@Gorilla72 I want him to come back and work with our bigs.

Gorilla72 said:

Danny Manning and Wake Forest fall to Houston Baptist in OT. His chair must be getting warm. Really want him to succeed!

I believe this game doused the chair in gasoline and lit a match.

Future opponent Villanova with a good win against FSU.

Future opponent Oklahoma St. with a good win against ranked LSU.

I will be curious to see KSU play Marquette. Comparing performances against common opponents doesn't always tell you much....but it will be interesting to see how KSU looks.

Hawk8086 said:

I will be curious to see KSU play Marquette. Comparing performances against common opponents doesn't always tell you much....but it will be interesting to see how KSU looks.

when do they play? -- is that tommorrow

jayballer73 said:

Hawk8086 said:

I will be curious to see KSU play Marquette. Comparing performances against common opponents doesn't always tell you much....but it will be interesting to see how KSU looks.

when do they play? -- is that tommorrow

December 1st

BShark said:

jayballer73 said:

Hawk8086 said:

I will be curious to see KSU play Marquette. Comparing performances against common opponents doesn't always tell you much....but it will be interesting to see how KSU looks.

when do they play? -- is that tommorrow

December 1st

Thanks for that

Oregon and Bol Bol fall to Texas Southern, 89-85. Bol had 32 points, more than double anyone else on Oregon. TX Southern won it at the free throw line.

Gorilla72 said:

Oregon and Bol Bol fall to Texas Southern, 89-85. Bol had 32 points, more than double anyone else on Oregon. TX Southern won it at the free throw line.

That's funny.

Indiana and Duke tonight. Should be a fun one.

@Kcmatt7 It is at Duke so I am not sure how close it will be. Duke is favored by 15. Hopefully the Hoosiers can make it a game.

Kcmatt7 said:

Indiana and Duke tonight. Should be a fun one

Should be a colossal thumpin' for the Hoosiers

@BeddieKU23

Archie Miller is a really good coach and he has a decent team with good players and I would not count Indiana out. Yes, duke will likely win but it will not a thumping...at least I don't think it will be...:smile:

@JayHawkFanToo

I guess I see it differently. It's in Cameron which I think makes a huge difference in how this game likely plays out. Indiana is a young team still, relying on two guys to carry the load for them, one a freshman. I see them struggling with the atmosphere as well as finding any way to stop Zion, Reddish & Barrett. I don't know how they matchup with any of the 3. Vegas has the line at 14.5 which is a bit under what I see the final score being. No doubt Archie can coach but he's up against it here.

BeddieKU23 said:

@JayHawkFanToo

I guess I see it differently. It's in Cameron which I think makes a huge difference in how this game likely plays out. Indiana is a young team still, relying on two guys to carry the load for them, one a freshman. I see them struggling with the atmosphere as well as finding any way to stop Zion, Reddish & Barrett. I don't know how they matchup with any of the 3. Vegas has the line at 14.5 which is a bit under what I see the final score being. No doubt Archie can coach but he's up against it here.

I think I would have to agree with you on this. I just don't think Indiana matches up with Duke very well.

read something that I found interesting awhile back. Even though you I sure won't see it - - but read where Duke is having trouble with getting their students to even attend the games at Cameron - - how crazy/insane is that? - -Can't remember where I saw that , but was thinking dam - -and wondering why. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

It might end up a 15 point game, but I hope that it is at least entertaining for 30 solid minutes.

BeddieKU23 said:

Gorilla72 said:

Oregon and Bol Bol fall to Texas Southern, 89-85. Bol had 32 points, more than double anyone else on Oregon. TX Southern won it at the free throw line.

That's funny.

Indeed.

The Texas Southern C shredded Bol. Neither defended worth a lick.

@jayballer73

That was last season when some fans did not show up but Cameron was officially sold out for every game. This season all home games have been sold out. Pretty much like KU although Cameron holds only 9,314 people.

Duke up 24 at half. Just pummeling Indiana.

Just spitballing here, but I'm not super impressed with Langford so far. I got killed for saying this, but I never thought he was a great fit on this Kansas team and was probably going to put up Kelly Oubre type numbers but not defend well.

@FarmerJayhawk he hasn’t showed me anything during this game. Forced some shots and looks disinterested a lot of the time.

@Woodrow

Indiana outscored Duke in the second half but dug itself too deep of a hole in the first half.

B10 had 3 second half comebacks last night to keep the ACC/B10 challenge at 3-3. Could have easily been 6-0. 6 more tonight, UNC @ Michigan the highlight of the night.

@Kcmatt7

it is 4-4 now.

@Kcmatt7

Purdue/Florida St should be a good one as well.

Konate not playing for WVU tonight, but I can’t find out why. Their 247 board alludes to it, but nothing definitive.

holy crap , was looking forward to the Michigan - North Carolina game - - - NOW not so much , frickin Vitale going to be doing it , should of known - North Carolina. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

You know, Virginia has the roster of a Missourah Valley team. They are really unathletic. But, they play that system ball, choke that clock out, and play prevent defense with that pack line like a pack of wild dogs...nipping at their heels. They do stack up the wins, although they basically blow during the tournament. Their guys are like toothpicks.

KUSTEVE said:

You know, Virginia has the roster of a Missourah Valley team. They are really unathletic. But, they play that system ball, choke that clock out, and play prevent defense with that pack line like a pack of wild dogs...nipping at their heels. They do stack up the wins, although they basically blow during the tournament. Their guys are like toothpicks.

they play such a boring game - -I if I were a recruit could never bring myself to play for Virginia - - vey hard to watch - -hard for the students to get fired up about - -just boring ball

I see where Syracuse beat #1 Ohio St. by 10.

Hawk69 said:

I see where Syracuse beat #1 Ohio St. by 10.

A Syracuse will be the new #1. Or Cleveland State...

Michigan is a legitimate Final 4 team again. I don't think this years UNC squad is anything special but Michigan can really defend and score which is the lethal combination to have already.

@KUSTEVE

Great post. Their schedule is so bad they might be undefeated until January. DeAndre Hunter is a NBA player though & Guy/Jerome are shot makers. They look exactly the same as they always do. This system works until March when scoring matters

BeddieKU23 said:

Michigan is a legitimate Final 4 team again. I don't think this years UNC squad is anything special but Michigan can really defend and score which is the lethal combination to have already.

very true - - news flash boys and girls - -MICHIGAN is LEGIT for sure -- mercy the Big Freshman is pretty dam solid - -Matthews is sweet - -Poole is nice - -the only thing is - -they are not deep at all like they said last night for the most part a 7 man rotation - -if they get into some even fairly decent foul trouble -things change

Hawk69 said:

I see where Syracuse beat #1 Ohio St. by 10.

119 Syracuse!!! WHAT AN UPSET!!!!

Let's give a shout out to the Ladies. - -Up 15 points at the half - -on the road - -was 20 -at LSU unbeaten and receiving votes at this point - -very nice. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Does anyone have any idea why the Big 10 is throwing some conference games in this weekend in the middle of the non conference schedule? I know they are playing more conference games this year, but it doesn't make sense to me to play a couple this early then resume non con then back to conference games...

Regardless there are some good Big 10 games this weekend.

@JayHawkFanToo Look for them to win a few games in about 30 years.

@Woodrow Big10 getting into Friday night ball this year as they go to a 20 game schedule. I like the 20 game schedule, I don't like Friday night games. They played some early December last year too, but that was because their conference tourney was a week early.

I kind of like the games now. They just got through holiday tournaments and then the ACC challenge, so it's been a couple of weeks worth of good games. I'd much rather watch a league game than see MSU play the other MSU, that is Madagascar State University.

Tonight should be a pretty good game in Iowa City as the Badgers take on the freaking wannabe haw haw kies.

Radford up by 3 with 11:36 to go in the 2nd half. - -Giving Texas all they want @ Texas

Radford was down 12 -went on 17-1 run - -givin them all they want ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Radford getting closer to a big upset which would look kind of bad on the league.

@wissox Radford up 2 with 11 seconds to go and going to the free throw line

Down goes Texas!

Don't know anything about them but apparently they're the league favorite and played in the dance last year.

Down goes the Short Horns - - Down goes the short horns - - Down goes Shaka lol -- 62-59 at Texas.
Seriously Radford kind of Salty - -beat Norte Dame at Norte Dame - -Ok boys take notice. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

wissox said:

Don't know anything about them but apparently they're the league favorite and played in the dance last year.

They beat Norte Dame @ Norte Dame not to shabby

1st time Radford has beaten a ranked team

Badgers take down the hock eyes. Really nice win for a rapidly improving team.

SHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKA

Looks like another season of wasted talent at Texas and Shaka’s seat just got warmer.

@jayballer73 Thank you. That is great news to wake up to...Shaka in a "shaka"....

@BShark I like that post. One could imagine a town Crier bellowing his name from the Town Square...."SHAAAAAAKA".....

@JayHawkFanToo He beat UNC again so obviously he's turned a corner... ;)

@BShark

Wink, wink. UNC does not seem to be very good this season, got destroyed by Michigan.

Mercy Boys & Girls , Kentucky's half court & transition defense is just plain - GOD AWFUL -- I mean Awful. - UNC Greensboro is driving through their Olay defense like a knife through hot butter. - Kentucky like the like announcers have said multiple times look totally lost/confused.

UNC Goldsboro has this kid Alonso- -this kid is unreal -you give him a half foot and he will drain it on you. Team is legit Jr's & Sr's - -he averages 19 a game -has 19 at the half - -Kentucky down 40-37 at the half. - -in all reality- - have watched Kentucky plenty already this year and to this point of the year they DO NOT - -impress me. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer73 Fear not! The refs just fouled up one of Greensboro's best post players.

Uk sucks

But seriously that uncg guard is unbelievable

Kcmatt7 said:

But seriously that uncg guard is unbelievable

Basically wasn't even recruited. Whoops.

Ja Morant was an even bigger whiff. He's at Murray State and so far his averages as a Sophomore: 27.8 ppg, 9 apg, 7.5 rpg.

Both of these kids were unranked...

Alonso is absolutely a 10 year pro somewhere

Yep. Ja Morant is an NBA career guy.

Love their coach

Football side: ISU....

Lol 90% of uks roster has absolutely no b-ball iq.

Kcmatt7 said:

Lol 90% of uks roster has absolutely no b-ball iq.

And don't look for Cal to help them.

This announcer wants UK to win badly.

LOL at that not being an and one.

NW playing Indy tough. It's on the BTN right now. 6 minutes left.

Big 10 conference games on Dec 1st what a joke.

@BShark Why is it a joke? They're sacrificing crappy non conference games for 2 more league games.

WOW. Announcer basically saying Bama will destroy UGA. Even if you think that, why say it?

@wissox not a fan of it at all.

Well, KJ helping them pull away, UK should win.

Why? Because that's not how it's always done? The league is forcing teams to strengthen their schedule by playing more games. If you'd watched UW-Iowa last night you'd have enjoyed it. Purdue/Mich today good stuff too.

Pj Washington is butt

Absolutely not. Many of my positions about basketball show that I welcome change when I think it is good. Two extra games is totally fine, imo. It's just the fragmentation of having two games now, then going back to the non-con. Just put them in with the rest of the conference schedule and start conference play a bit sooner.

Fwiw I am also not big on the Big 12 SEC challenge being in conference season.

wissox said:

Why? Because that's not how it's always done? The league is forcing teams to strengthen their schedule by playing more games. If you'd watched UW-Iowa last night you'd have enjoyed it. Purdue/Mich today good stuff too.

I don’t like it before break. A lot gets cleaned up between dec 1 and dec 31

How much is Stanford going to beat us by today Bshark?

KSU Marquette game is choppy.

Normally I'd cheer for the Big 12 during non-conference, but seeing as how Kansas has already beaten Marquette... let's go GOLDEN EAGLES!

Markus Howard, with the flu, destroying KSU so far.

More like Markus Jordan today.

Texas Tech struggling with Memphis.

Creighton making the Zags sweat. Wouldn't actually mind seeing Gonzaga win. I like their team/coach.

@KirkIsMyHinrich that’s been a hell of a game. Really good offense by both teams.

@Woodrow What's crazy is that Gonzaga is shooting 58.3% from the field and losing at the under 12 timeout.

Zags pulling away now.

Markus Howard has 33 with 16 minutes to go. Marquette up 14 against KSU

wissox said:

How much is Stanford going to beat us by today Bshark?

That's pretty funny.

That question was already answered.

@KirkIsMyHinrich I agree. I don't want KSU to get to big for their britches. Of course, we didn't have to play Marquette on the road.

Michigan destroying Purdue and Nova down to a winless team in the second. I was kinda hoping for the B12s sake KSU would go unbeaten in their weak non conference schedule.

Hmmm. Trying to figure out how to stream the Stanford game from Copenhagen...

Silo Tech ... EXPOSED.

KUSTEVE said:

Silo Tech ... EXPOSED.

First time they played a real team.

@KUSTEVE Deandre Hunter is athletic and a future pro re: UVA. He was injured for the tourney last year otherwise he might have been a lottery pick.

Oklahoma beating Notre Dame 43-36 at halftime. Sooners are playing without Jamuni McNease tonight.

Final: Oklahoma 85 - Notre Dame 80

West Virginia getting their ass kicked right now by Florida 30-18 - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@KirkIsMyHinrich Oklahoma look considerably better than Baylor and Ok State to me, tho they was picked last in the league, good win for the B12

Apparently Lon Kruger is a pretty good coach.

WVU at home too.

@KirkIsMyHinrich WEIRD

West Virginia went on a 9-0 run. Only down 30-27 now at halftime.

@KirkIsMyHinrich for some reason, I don't think much of Lon. I really lost a ton of respect for him how he coached up his team last year. Before that, I always thought he was so uninspiring. Not a coach that would be fun to play for. I'm weird.

Alabama lost to Georgia State. AVERY JOHNSON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@KirkIsMyHinrich for some reason, I don't think much of Lon. I really lost a ton of respect for him how he coached up his team last year. Before that, I always thought he was so uninspiring. Not a coach that would be fun to play for. I'm weird.

I think he's a good coach. But I thought his intentionally fouling Doke was pretty chickenshit.

@Crimsonorblue22 Lon does have some weirdo vibes.

@BShark speaking of weird vibes, who r u now?

You wouldn't know even if I told you. Just don't worry about it. ;)

Northwestern is up 52-51 on Michigan with 6 minutes left.

@BShark Dribble Drive Offense ! (I just remember Avery Johnson saying that a million times as Dallas's coach and as a commentator.)

@approxinfinity Ha. He is a total clown. I would have a meltdown if he coached a team I like.

@BShark 😒

WVU is reaaaaaaaaaaally bad.

@BShark konate back?

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@BShark konate back?

Yep. 2-10. 4 turnovers, 4 fouls.

Looking at the top 25 scores tonight, Furman!?!?!? WTF, that's not someone I expected to see ranked ever. When was the last time a SoCon team was ranked? It's gotta be either Davidson when Steph Curry was there or College of Charleston back in the beginning of the century, right?

@Texas-Hawk-10

Yupp it's their first time being ranked. When you beat Loyola Chicago & Villanova you get noticed. Their leading scorer had 15 3's in one game. Exciting to see a small school getting some pub

Wondering how Duke keeps challenging themselves with powerhouse mid-major schools like the Stetson Hatters (1-8) and the Hartford Hawks (3-6) and stays ahead of KU in the NET rankings when they have 1 loss and KU has 0 losses.

@KirkIsMyHinrich guess we are not the only one's that can't throw it in the Ocean - -Duke 3 pt shooting for 3/4 of this game any ways - - far from good. - -At one point I know they were 4-17 - -ROCK CHALK AL DAY LONG BABY

@KirkIsMyHinrich was just discussing this earlier today in reference to UVA. Unlike Duke, Bennett and co. Are scheduling decent midmajors like Morgan State, at least ones that have recently been successful. Very Selfian.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/team/schedule/_/id/258 ↗

Actually I just looked at Duke's non con and its much better than years past. High ceiling, low floor. 4 teams that are creampuffs, but 4 in top 13.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/team/schedule/_/id/150 ↗

Texas just lost at home to VCU and Okie St lost at Tulsa. Two more bad losses for the conference.

@Woodrow his seat getting hotter? I heard them talking about his claim to fame win at the start of tonight's game. How long can he ride that?🤮

Woodrow said:

Texas just lost at home to VCU and Okie St lost at Tulsa. Two more bad losses for the conference.

KU should slice through the league again. KSU and ISU maybe the only truly tough opponents.

approxinfinity said:

Actually I just looked at Duke's non con and its much better than years past. High ceiling, low floor. 4 teams that are creampuffs, but 4 in top 13.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/team/schedule/_/id/150 ↗

Good point.

Another convenient scheduling tool I noticed. After their game against Texas Tech on the 20th, they have 16 days off until ACC conference play opens..

@BeddieKU23 It is important for the visuals in televised games. The more affluent student body found in certain schools needs the longer break for trips to Europe and Aspen and St. Barts.

@BShark I’d throw in Tech. I really like what Beard is doing there , but I’d be surprised if KU doesn’t win the league by 3 games or so.

Big game tonight for the Clones. They are at Iowa.

TCU has Fisher & Noi back. They got a road win at SMU last night and I'd be surprised if they don't look like a Top 25 team going into conference play. Iowa St, Tech, TCU will be the 3 that can challenge KU this year. OU looks improved as well and probably is better then Texas at this point.

@BShark

Tech will definitely be in the conversation, Beard has done a great job getting the team ready considering the personnel losses after last season. TCU and Oklahoma are also surprisingly good so far. On the other hand, West Virginia looks pretty bad and Texas is also under performing which seem to be normal for Smart; the loss to VCU must have really stung.

The Big 12 will once again be a strong if not the strongest conference in college basketball, MSM ACC bias notwithstanding. The top 6 teams in the conference are a combined 41-4; the top 6 team in the ACC are 45-6 and the top 6 in the Big 10 are 46-7. The latest Bracketology has 7 conference teams in the Tournament withe TCU in the last 4 out which makes it a potential 8 teams. TCU will likely replace WVU and 7 teams is realistic with Baylor WVU and OSU likely out.

The big 12 suuuucks this yr.

BShark said:

The big 12 suuuucks this yr.

Not so fast as Lee Corso says. I forgot K-St as well. I think with KU's struggles/doke's injury this team will be in a dogfight for the Big-12 Championship. I don't think we have shown yet that we are capable of running away with anything. We'll see if that changes in a month and the Nova/ASU games will tell us more about this teams identity and where its going moving forward

BShark said:

Woodrow said:

Texas just lost at home to VCU and Okie St lost at Tulsa. Two more bad losses for the conference.

KU should slice through the league again. KSU and ISU maybe the only truly tough opponents.

KSU faces Tulsa Saturday afternoon. In December 2017, KSU lost to Tulsa 61 - 54. Tulsa may give the kitties a game.

I watched the second half of the Gonzaga- Washington game and Gonzaga barely got away, at home, with a Hachimura basket at the buzzer after being up by 11 with 5 minutes to go. Gonzaga's interior defense was not good and Washington penetrated and scored consistently. Gonzaga played only 7 players and the bench played a total of 28 minutes and contribute 9 points and I am sure they are missing Crandallr; frankly, I am not sure how they beat Duke.

Gonzaga played to their ceiling against Duke. I watched the game last night and it seemed they got a little tight late. Of course they are shorthanded right now and Washington made plays to get back in it.

Gonzaga looked tired and lazy last night and Washington is a decent team. I don't think Duke is quite as good as everyone thinks either; they were only up 33-24 at halftime against Hartford (3-7) at Cameron. Gonzaga has a depth problem with Geno Crandall and Killian Tillie out right now. When they're healthy I think they're as good as anyone. I don't think Gonzaga's game last night was any worse than KU's game against Stanford. Washington is better than Stanford.

Really looking forward to the neutral-site game between Tennessee and Gonzaga on Sunday. It will give us a chance to see how good KU's win over the Vols really was. And the Williams, Schofield/Hachimura, Clarke matchups should be a lot of fun.

@KirkIsMyHinrich

The only difference is that the MSM is calling Gonzaga a finish product while KU is a work in progress and not even close to its ceiling except for a few spurts here and there.

Iowa St is getting drilled at Iowa. Clones were actually favored in this game.

All of the shots Iowa missed against Michigan St. they are making tonight against Iowa St.

FWIW, Wofford scores 112 points tonight vs Kentucky Christian. It’s just two nights since scoring only 47 vs KU. Heck, they scored 59 in the first half alone!

Musta been mad, tonight huh? (Yeah, I know there’s a bit of a skill level difference between KY Christian & KU... 🤣)

OU piss pounded WSU.

MSU beat Florida.

Seton Hall just beat UK and the Rupp refs in OT.

Good day so far!

Uh Oh Cal gets beat by Seton Hall - -oh well lmao. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer73 And a great game. A prayer by SH followed by a bigger prayer by UK to tie in regulation. Couldn't happen to a nicer team!

Hawk8086 said:

@jayballer73 And a great game. A prayer by SH followed by a bigger prayer by UK to tie in regulation. Couldn't happen to a nicer team!

Oh hell ya it was kind of one of the moments - - you know the moment I'm talking about - - it's one of those - - " Can you smelllllllllllllll , la la la - -what THE ROCK is COOKING roflmao " - -type of moment. -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

BShark said:

OU piss pounded WSU.

MSU beat Florida.

Seton Hall just beat UK and the Rupp refs in OT.

Good day so far!

And West Virginia beat Pitt.

Seton Hall Kentucky was a great game. Powell shot out of his mind. Washington looked like a legitimate nba talent and Johnson made some clutch shots including a half court one to end regulation to send it to OT. Oh and Kentucky lost. What a day

@BeddieKU23 that was one of the better games I have seen all year. Both teams made some huge shots down the end and I thought the refs let them play

@BShark

The UK-Setton Hall game was at Madison Square Garden in NY not at Rupp. Great win for Seton Hall with some crazy buzzer beaters by both teams.

Okie St loses at home to Houston.

KSU and Tulsa in a close one in the second half.

KState has 33 points at the 11-minute mark in the 2nd half. Is that good?

JayHawkFanToo said:

@BShark

The UK-Setton Hall game was at Madison Square Garden in NY not at Rupp. Great win for Seton Hall with some crazy buzzer beaters by both teams.

You missed the joke.

KSU loses to Tulsa. They have played two legit teams and lost both games.

Woodrow said:

They have played two legit teams and lost both games.

Story of my Bruuuuuuuuuuuuuuce.

Marquette takes advantage of missed UW FT's tonight and wins in OT. Howard was 7-29, but got bailed out on a ton of foul calls and to his credit made them. But it's a good SOS win for KU because Marquette beat two ranked teams this week.

@wissox Thoughts on that offensive foul on Happ's tip in?

@Woodrow Bad loss for KSU and the B12. Tulsa lost to SIU, Nevada and Utah. Their only decent wins are against Okie State and now KSU. B12 has taken it on the chin since Thanksgiving. Virtually no quality wins since and a few bad losses.

@DCHawker the conference is not very good this year.

It's almost like KU carries the banner for this clown conference every year.

Big 12 is a mixed bag at this point. KState, West Virginia have disappointed, but Texas Tech, Iowa State, and Oklahoma have exceeded expectations. Iowa St, especially, when they are healthy will not be a fun team to play against.

@wissox

In all fairness, Marquette missed 7 of its last 9 FTs including 6 in a row at the end of the game and did it’s best to give the game away and Wisconsin just did not capitalize. Happ is a stud.

@KirkIsMyHinrich

TCU is going to be pretty good as well and yesterday destroyed USC by 35 points.

BShark said:

@wissox Thoughts on that offensive foul on Happ's tip in?

FWIW, I thought the call was justified. The view from above showed a forearm shove that gave Happ his uncontested path to the rebound.

Nubs beat Creighton.

One time KU target Thomas Allen went for 18/5/4/1/1 with no turnovers.

@BShark It was the flukest Elite 8 run in the history of basketball.

KUSTEVE said:

@BShark It was the flukest Elite 8 run in the history of basketball.

It was fluky, but flukiest?

Counterpoint: VCU

Shaka is still cashing checks based on that one run. Just unreal.

@KirkIsMyHinrich Exceeding expectations is relative. OU and TTU have a couple of decent wins each, but other than KU's wins over MSU and Tennesses and UT's over UNC, the B12 is lacking top 20 types of victories. B10 and ACC are way ahead in quality wins at this point...

@BShark G Mason.

mayjay said:

@BShark G Mason.

Good one.

The Big 10 is 9-2 for the weekend, the ACC 3-3 with only the Notre Dame-UCLA game left, the Big 12 is 4-2.

@BShark I don’t thinks it’s the flukiest top 5 maybe, KSU really only had to play UK to that point and really should’ve made the final four. George Mason and VCU were flukiest. VCU is probably number 1 because no one even had them in the tournament to start with.

DCHawker said:

@Woodrow Bad loss for KSU and the B12. Tulsa lost to SIU, Nevada and Utah. Their only decent wins are against Okie State and now KSU. B12 has taken it on the chin since Thanksgiving. Virtually no quality wins since and a few bad losses.

Certainly no shame in losing to Nevada - -ranked # 6 in the Nation - ALOT of teams will lose to team -Utah is so so -- SIU would for sure be the one that you would consider as a bad loss. -- ROCK CHALK AL DAY LONG BABY

Tennessee new #1 tomorrow?

BShark said:

Tennessee new #1 tomorrow?

Wont be ku

Great win for Tennessee at a neutral site and by extent it helps KU. Only team with a somewhat realistic expectation to go unbeaten is now Nevada.

Top 5 game I've seen so far this season.

Here's Admiral's quote. This appears to be a crosssection of what he really feels, and what his coach has told him to feel. Classic...epic ...sports quote:

“Honestly, in reality, it’s a big statement,” Schofield said. “We’re not going to act like it’s not a big deal. For us, it’s not. We’re only playing in December. We’re not playing for championships in December, you’re playing for championships in March.”

Translation: Hell yes, we're excited....but coach wants us to know we didn't just win the NCAAs, so we still have to keep going....LOL.

South Dakota State scored 90 points in the FIRST HALF! Up 92-37 over Savannah State with 18 minutes left. Wow.... (can’t find a box score anywhere, but tweets verify the score). 🤪

Bragg still on new Mexico's team?

@Crimsonorblue22 Yes. Hasn't played.

BShark said:

@Crimsonorblue22 Yes. Hasn't played.

Are you sure he I still there? - I thought I had read he transferred again

https://golobos.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=7349 ↗

https://www.abqjournal.com/1193808/lobo-hoops-lands-new-point-guard-loses-junior-college-forward.html ↗

I was thinking he couldn't play till the end of of of, maybe ah, 1st semester?

According to walton🤦‍♂️🌫🚬🕳 Bragg can play Sunday.

Colorado w/a great comeback. I like tad Boyle

Gorilla72 said:

South Dakota State scored 90 points in the FIRST HALF! Up 92-37 over Savannah State with 18 minutes left. Wow.... (can’t find a box score anywhere, but tweets verify the score). 🤪

Ask and you shall receive, here is the box score... ↗

Saw the highlights of the SD St game. Savannah State looks like a nice team to practice against. I mean any team that gives up 90 in a half is probably not worthy of being a D-1 school. South Dakota St was enfuego though, 35-46 shooting in that half

@BeddieKU23 Man, giving up 23 out of 34 3 ptrs is really going to hurt Savannah State's defensive efficiency score. The likely fall in their NET rating just might end their April hopes.

Savannah State also missed 40 out of 52 3 pt attempts. If they had made them instead at an above average rate of, say, 40%, they could have scored 27 more points. And lost by only 40. Fool's gold?

@mayjay

Fools Gold yo

Texas tech. outscored Northwestern State 53-10 in the first half on its way to a 79-44 win. Looks like lots of players got to play extended minutes.

JayHawkFanToo said:

Texas tech. outscored Northwestern State 53-10 in the first half on its way to a 79-44 win. Looks like lots of players got to play extended minutes.

jumpin -- gee - -hossa - -fats. - - Did Northwestern even come out of the locker room? - -did game officials not let them know the game was starting lol. - - BUT SERIOUSLY , you know what - - what good does a game like this help anybody? - -

I know we have had some games like this too in the past - -but what does a game like this accomplish anyways - -just not sure what the benefit of games like these accomplish - - glorified practice , the other team gets a decent little payout but what does teams like Texas Tech and others get out of this ? -A false sense of security of how good they are -- or think they are? - -Sometimes I think games like these actually hurt a team more then help - - just me. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer73 Grimes could use a couple of those games IMHO.

@dylans The fact that we haven't had those games is due, in part, to Grimes not making it happen.

@mayjay KU really hasn’t played that caliber of competition either.

Ron Baker was cut by the Knicks. Great Kansas kid; hopefully he gets another shot with a less dysfunctional team.

@dylans Good "purnt"!

Watched some of the WV Florida game replay. Did you know Konate is 9/21 from 3 this year?

dylans said:

@jayballer73 Grimes could use a couple of those games IMHO.

Well yes that's true -but if he is in a deep of rut as it's looking then -I'm not sure even those would help

@jayballer73 yikes. Hope not

@approxinfinity

Yeah he's been trying to expand his range for the NBA. Hope he takes about 10 a Game against us and clanks them all.

Gonzaga/North Carolina should be fun Sat. 6 PM Central on ESPN2. I've been impressed with Gonzaga's athleticism. No more giant lumberjack centers dominating the Zags game.

MEANWHILE IN THE CARRIER DOME

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=401082788 ↗

I think @KirkIsMyHinrich will appreciate this one...

BShark said:

MEANWHILE IN THE CARRIER DOME

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=401082788 ↗

I think @KirkIsMyHinrich will appreciate this one...

Yep. Hate everything about Syracuse and especially Gerry McNamara.

@KirkIsMyHinrich I second that emotion!! Can not stand the orange.

Might have to add UNC to the list of teams that could beat the Cleveland Cavaliers after tonight.

WVU now 6-4. Could they be the worst team in the Big 12?

@BShark

Absolutely possible they just don't have the guard play to keep up with that style of play

Oklahoma St was blown out last night by Nebraska. 2nd half belonged to the Cornhuskers

How good is St Johns? 10-0 and have played an absolute powder puff schedule. They have a very talented starting 5 but 10-0 inflates their profile a bit to reality.

TCU 8-1 and a team I think is on the rise since getting back two key starters. 5 guys is double figures a night is going to help them going forward.

Houston is also 10-0, they are very good again this year. They should be favored heavily to win their next 5 games at least. They might win their next 10 with how the schedule is looking. Could be the last undefeated team standing in a month or so.

@BeddieKU23

Oklahoma State is not good at all and Nebraska is arguably the third best team in the Big 10. I agree that St. John’s schedule is as soft as it gets but none of the computer polls rank them very high either; Virginia’s schedule, on the other hand, is equally bad and they are ranked in the top 5 of just about every poll. Nevada has the best chance to be the last unbeaten team left since they have likely played the toughest portion of their schedule.

@JayHawkFanToo

I think Nevada will drop a game before Houston. Nevada nearly lost to South Dakota St in a game Daum had probably his worst game of his career so Nevada was lucky to escape that one. Also I saw a stat that its been a very long time since a Mountain West team lost fewer then 2 conference games. Will be interesting to see if Nevada will have the motivation in conference play as they have put themselves on the map for an at-large bid.

St Johns has talent, at least 2 NBA talents. But to this point we know nothing about them. Immediate schedule doesn't provide any answers either

@BeddieKU23

Nevada has not much competition moving forward. Their two toughest games will be against Utah State and Fresno State which are ranked #52 and #65 by Pomeroy. Their best win was over Arizona State at a neutral location and against South Dakota at home and I will guess that their pre-conference schedule was much tougher than the upcoming conference schedule.

Houston has a tough game against Utah State followed by 2 easy games coming up but it gets harder after that with games against Tulsa, Memphis, Temple, Wichita State, SMU and South Florida and while none is great team, they are all capable of having good nights and beating good teams like Houston. Tulsa can be very good and is 2-0 against Big 12 teams.

@JayHawkFanToo

Yeah on paper Nevada looks like they could be undefeated through conference play but History says they slip up somewhere and having seen a few of their most recent games I'm not about to call them dominate. The MWC is definitely down this year which helps their case.

Houston is a bit underrated I think, great depth, good defense and they have excellent guard play which is going to help them out in the AAC. The AAC is also down. I think Feb 7th against a good defensive UCF team on the road could be where they slip up first. Sampson has a good squad again.

Both teams could run the table although I'd expect both lose along the way.

@BeddieKU23 Houston is a solid club, I watched them lose to Michigan after KU played last season in the round of 32. They returned a few of those guys, that Rob Gray kid they had last season was impressive. The only reason Michigan had a chance was Houston missed 3 of their last 4 FTs.

@kjayhawks

Was that the guy with man-bun? He was super annoying.

@JayHawkFanToo Yes, Gray was the guy with a man bun lol

JayHawkFanToo said:

@kjayhawks

Was that the guy with man-bun? He was super annoying.

@JayHawkFanToo: Any man with a man-bun would annoy me:haircut: :exclamation:

@bcjayhawk

Can't argue with that...:smile:

Lmao just saying he was a good player for them but yes I'm not a fan of the man bun movement

I've always been highly in favor of the woman's bun movement.

@HighEliteMajor

Can’t argue with that either...:smile: