I am. And if you dislike the director so much could could just stop going to his movies.
Glad That Self taught Ellis that spin move in the huddle during that last time out
@wissoxfan83 and they are conversing w/ each other.....kind of like a person with multiple personalities?!??!?
And the fact that we have done just fine at those things for the past 5 games but can't do it today is on the coach?.....no that is execution or lack there of.
If we hadn't out rebounded Vandy's 7' era and out hustled UCLA I'd give you the point.
This is poor effort by the players on the court
@DinarHawk because Self is telling to go out and play poorly?
Dude is playing like Ali F from UNI
Hate that we are playing like crap, but not all bad that they are having to work at it......should be a good leaning point for them.
I'm sure it's Coach Self's fault that we are missing shots not playing hard and can't rebound.
Not liking our effort or attention to detail
Cheick!
@Hawk8086 beer goggle dude?
And one!
@SoftballDad2011 said:
@Crimsonorblue22 said:
@wissoxfan83 had a board
I think a FT and two FT attempts too
Half time stats
Last 6-7 minutes of the half was pretty rough
Crimson has exploited our transition D a few times.
Fran, I forget.....can you redshirt in the Ivy League?
If there is something to gripe about I guess it would be early rebounding?
If I were head coach and ultimately accountable for all facets of my program, I would be incredibly stubborn as well.
He has a system that he believes in and it works 82% of the time. And he relies upon it.
It's his bat, his ball and his rules.
If he starts losing consistently or looses control of his team then yes let's send him packing.
Until then he gets to do it his way.
We can cuss it. Discuss it. And say what if.
I just don't think it appropriate to start calling for his head, given his history of excellence.
I would agree that they probably should.
But in the history of the current format all four #1 seeds have only made it to the final four in the same season only once.
So while they probably should, it is highly unusual for them to do all do it.
Yes,you are correct....... I think it is absolute lunacy for anyone to suggest that Coach Self should be fired.
And all I have done is support my case for why I feel that way.......just as those who feel otherwise have done.
It is not personal and I haven't attacked anyone. , it is just a discussion which is the intent of the board. .
And by your own admission it sounds though you don't feel that way any longer anyway.
And no, I know nothing about coaching basketball.
Do have a lot of experience in administration though.
And I know you don't run off a coach because he is to stubborn to listen to fans on message boards and do what they want him to do.
Especially when he wins at a level that is in the top 5 percentile of his current peers.
I believe Bill Self is one of the top three or four coaches in the college game right now. And I want to keep him on our bench.
@DoubleDD said:
"I mean ask yourself this question how many times has KU under Coach lost when they were the higher seed?"
@DoubleDD - Would you agree that the overall #1 seed rarely wins the tournament?
The great thing about facing KU in the first or second round as a lower seed is that you are already playing with house money.........and you have already exceeded expectations. That allows them to play loose and gives them a lot of momentum if they are able to stay within striking distance until the final 5 minutes of the game. Which at the same time makes that bullseye on our back all the more burdensome.
WSU is a notable exception, but in my opinion they were a better team than their seed gave them credit for.
It is a game we should have won. But that opponent was not a typical round of 32 matchup for a 2 or 3 seed.
For the record, I agree with you that MSU didn't beat us.......we beat ourselves.
Our difference in thinking seems to stem from my acceptance that they did find a way to win a game that they should have lost......just like they did again this week against Louisville......and for that reason I have no problem in giving them their props for having done so.
@DoubleDD said:
@SoftballDad2011 and @jaybate-1.0
Yea Coach rocks it in the regular season nobody can deny. Yet in the tournament Coach is nothing but average.
That my friends is just a fact. Yet I get it. Winning conference championships is more important than winning national championships.
And for some reason according to you two? The measuring stick is MSU? Not sure why but ok I always thought KU was the standard, but after reading your posts it seems KU has to measure up to MSU?
I'll go on record as saying MSU didn't win that game but KU lost it because our coach didn't play to his teams strengths. Not that it will matter to you two. As MSU seems to be the standard.
I understand your point.
And no, I am not satisfied solely with conference titles. But there is nothing average about a "bad" season that still included a conference title and invitation to the dance.
In regard to the measuring stick you say in one breath that we have been average in the tournament.
But in the next breath you chastise for using MSU as a measuring stick.......stating that KU should be the standard.
Well.......if you believe KU has been average when it matters most, then I would contend that Sparty isn't a bad selection for use as a measuring stick.......given that Izzo has seven final fours to his credit.
I personally believe Self's post season success is a little better than average.......one of just seven teams to play in 2 or more title games since 2004 (if you throw in Roy's 2003 title game, we are tied for the most title game appearances since 2003).
But if that success is indeed average to you, then Izzo's seven final fours isn't a bad measuring stick, is it?
I believe Self's average is actually nearer to the Elite 8 than most realize.
In 12 seasons at KU he has taken the Jayhawks to the Elite 8 or farther on 5 occasions.
Two title games, three elite 8 exits, 2 sweet 16 exits, 3 round of 32 exits and 2 first round exits.
You hit on a very good point........perception.
That perception ..........or expectation.........entering each season for most of us is a final four.. that is not realistic., so missed expectations at season's end skew our perception of the actual success we did attain.
So when people view Self's body of work, they fixate on the two 0-1 seasons and/or the three 1-1 seasons to gauge his performance.......but lose site of the deeper runs. Since that deep run was the expectation to begin with, it was not noteworthy. But an early exit is noteworthy because that was not the expectation.
He has a .711 win percentage in the tournament with his KU teams.
Measure his performance vs his peers instead of against unrealistic expectations and his success is more evident
Any one else find it unusual Self is speaking so favorably of the team?
Isn't this the part of the season where he is usually talking about how unfocused, how soft, how we are thinking too much instead of just playing......!?!?????
What can / should we read in to this?
Self's comments on Sparty
Here are the latest trending picks for Bolden.
The two Duke experts had been Duke leans until they landed the kid who tore his ACL....can't recall his name.......Hiles, Maybe?. They then switched to Bama before finally picking KU late last month
KU leads at 60% and Duke has 35% of the picks.
Good call !
Withey also had an uncanny ability to drift backwards while still getting enough elevation to block or alter the shot .
The drift avoided contact and prevented a lot of foul calls, as the principal of verticality didn't always seem to be considered when Ostertagg or Cole or especially TRob were swatting them away, but were also absorbing contact.
Some of my best recollections from childhood were sitting in the living room with Dad after the evening chores were done while he read the paper and listened to Fred and Denny bringing us the Royals game on the radio.
Those were the mid-late 70's.
Glad they found a way to get it done again!
I bought it for my Dad's Christmas gift and bought the 2015 World Series Movie for his bday the same week........hoping he will want to watch them while I am home.
The KC Star said the World Series Movie is a must have.......highlights, interviews, and Rusty Kuntz was mic'ed up and they have some of his words of wisdom too. Said they even villianized Syndergard a bit by including his "tricks up the sleeve" interview before his chin music decleated Eski
And the scary part is they did it with two of their best on the bench in street clothes with injuries.
If Izzo works his typical magic, they will be scary good by tournament time.
But I really like the trajectory we are on right now too. That loss seems to have been a pretty good wake up call.
@Bwag I agree that our coach stuck/reverted to his system at the end of the game.
But he didn't miss a single bunny the entire game and he didn't leave his guy open for uncontested threes in crunch time.
If Maaon Graham and or Selden can just throw it in the ocean that game, we win by double figures, regardless of the game plan.......they got tight and clenched up in crunch time as the lead was dwindling......it happens. And it is not the end of the world when it does. Learn from it and move on.
But Self shouldn't shoulder the blame when his best players fail to execute. The team's play and his schemes had us up by 12 or 13 late in the game.
Not to mention that MSU is very, very good.
I don't like it when we lose. Especially when it was because we shot ourself in the foot.
I get mad, I cuss and I ask why didn't we do this or that.
But I also know it is unrealistic that we will fire on all cylinders ever nite and by the next morning I have accepted that.
That being said, I make myself stay away from this site for a couple of days after every loss.......b/c I can't believe the gloom and doom that will be here and the bad mouthing of our coaches and players that will take place by supposed KU fans.