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@jayballer67 So people employed by JTV, which is part of Kansas Athletics, are going to give unbiased and neutral opinions about Kansas football?

This is just some of the snippets from Les's post game conference last night and they don't really sound like an endorsement of Daniels going forward.

"While Miles stated during his postgame video press conference he wasn’t “displeased” with Daniels “in any way,” KU’s head coach didn’t commit to starting the freshman again next week..."

Curious phrasing even for Les in regards to how Daniels played last night. There's a lot of choices there to express satisfaction with someone's play and Les didn't exactly come across like Dainels earned the job going forward.

"Miles said MacVittie wasn’t actually available for the Big 12 opener in Waco, Texas..."

“Thomas wasn’t healthy at this point,” Miles admitted afterward, though the coach had said during the week leading up to the game he expected KU’s senior QB to be available and see the field.

Sounds like the staff expected MacVittie to be ready, but he still isn't and since no details were given as to what MacVittie's actual injury is, speculation is there is there at this point as to the exact nature of the injury.

The post game press conference paints more of a picture of Miles and Dearmon being forced into playing Daniels because MacVittie was still too banged up to play last night.

But what do I know, I'm not a former Kansas football player getting paid by Kansas Athletics to express opinions about Kansas football. I'm just a guy that's been involved in playing/coaching football for the better part of 15 years of my life.

Jalon Daniels is not a P5 caliber QB. It doesn't strike you as odd that a supposed 3* recruit from one the the top 5 recruiting areas nationally in the greater Los Angeles area can't even get a scholarship offer from a Mountain West team, let alone a P12 program despite being in their backyards? That's telling of what local scouts thought of his talent.

There's a reason why after all of the practices leading up to the CC games, Miles and Dearmon had evaluated Daniels as being the third best option. I think Daniels is abetter option than Miles Kendrick, but that's not saying much because I doubt Kendrick is still in a KU uniform next season with Easters coming in.

It'd be one thing if Les and/or Dearmon were out saying that Daniels was the future at QB and they were looking towards developing the future, but that's not the message being sent by Miles. The message we got last night was Miles was expecting MacVittie to be healthy enough to play last night, but wasn't and was forced to play a true freshman at QB who isn't ready to play big snaps yet.

@stoptheflop said in 18 Point Dogs to the Bears:

67 yds rushing through 3 quarters is a real problem. I really thought our rushing game would come together this year.

What has KU's passing game done to make a defense not keep keying on Pooka or Gardner though? This is what's going to happen all year because KU doesn't have a competent QB on the roster. Pooka is a great back, but defenses are going to load up to stop the run because the passing game isn't a serious threat.

@jayballer67 said in 18 Point Dogs to the Bears:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in 18 Point Dogs to the Bears:

@jayballer67 said in 18 Point Dogs to the Bears:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in 18 Point Dogs to the Bears:

@jayballer67 said in 18 Point Dogs to the Bears:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in 18 Point Dogs to the Bears:

@jayballer67 said in 18 Point Dogs to the Bears:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in 18 Point Dogs to the Bears:

Daniels is very sped up tonight and has made a bunch of mistakes. Fumbles, bad throws, bad reads, taking off too quickly. Outside of the first drive when Baylor clearly wasn't expecting Daniels to start, has done next to nothing tonight and Daniels has looked overwhelmed and panicky tonight. He might be ready later this season, but he's not ready yet to me.

ummm by far , by far not Daniels snaps low and wide - - Gardner drops a WIDE open td Highshaw can't pick up one YARD ON 4TH and 1 - that's NOT Daniels - -that's on your offensive line NOT FANIELS he is doing fine , sure 1st game jitters but like they announcers saying on the radio much QUICKER release on his throws - -sure the hell don't need Macvittie to stink thinks up and he is a SENIOR where is his leadership ? - - back at the ranch thats where

Daniels has bobbled multiple snaps, the Gardner drop was poor placement by Daniels, overthrowing a wide open Parchment in the end zone, putting passes in places where the receivers have to stop and adjust instead of hitting the receivers in stride. Hanging on to the ball too long because he's not going to his progressions or pulling the ball because his initial read isn't there. The OLine has absolutely nothing to do with those issues. Those are 100% on Daniels, not the OLine.

He's made a bunch of mistakes tonight that MacVittie wouldn't have made because MacVittie has college experience.

Jalon Daniels should be the back up to MacVittie right now getting 2-3 series a game in more controlled.scenarios to ease him into playing and then hand the keys over to him midseason when he's better adjusted and equipped to the job.

that's a joke man but you have fun you make no sense period POOR PLACEMENT - -roflmao are you fricking serious - -REALLY come on man it was right there you couldn't sk for a bettehr thrown ball lmao - -good night time for bed

Yes, ball placement makes a big deal in the catch ability of a pass. That pass to Gardner was over his outside shoulder instead of his inside shoulder. That's he why didn't catch that pass.

he flat dropped it plain and simple NO ONE within 7 yards of him couldn't of been served better

Just stop, you're lack of football knowledge is shining bright right now. Go watch Pat Mahomes hit receivers in stride and watch Daniels put the ball in bad spots and still tell me ball placement doesn't matter.

That sack was bad sack to take because of field position. Throwing it away instead of losing yardage and taking another hit from a defender was the better play.

ahh thank you that makes me feel so special thank you So now we are to the point we are trying to compare a KU QB to Pat Maholmes - -gotta ya - -perfect geez holy shit man what a piece of work

Because reading comprehension clearly isn't your strong suit so I guess that does make me the idiot for watching football with a coaches eye and trying to point out the flaws in Daniels game to someone who clearly doesn't understand the more detailed aspects of QB play.

@stoptheflop said in 18 Point Dogs to the Bears:

@Texas-Hawk-10 I would like to see MacVittie play two series, but maybe he's still hurt from game 1.

If that's the case that's another story because Daniels clearly isn't ready yet.

@jayballer67 said in 18 Point Dogs to the Bears:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in 18 Point Dogs to the Bears:

@jayballer67 said in 18 Point Dogs to the Bears:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in 18 Point Dogs to the Bears:

@jayballer67 said in 18 Point Dogs to the Bears:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in 18 Point Dogs to the Bears:

Daniels is very sped up tonight and has made a bunch of mistakes. Fumbles, bad throws, bad reads, taking off too quickly. Outside of the first drive when Baylor clearly wasn't expecting Daniels to start, has done next to nothing tonight and Daniels has looked overwhelmed and panicky tonight. He might be ready later this season, but he's not ready yet to me.

ummm by far , by far not Daniels snaps low and wide - - Gardner drops a WIDE open td Highshaw can't pick up one YARD ON 4TH and 1 - that's NOT Daniels - -that's on your offensive line NOT FANIELS he is doing fine , sure 1st game jitters but like they announcers saying on the radio much QUICKER release on his throws - -sure the hell don't need Macvittie to stink thinks up and he is a SENIOR where is his leadership ? - - back at the ranch thats where

Daniels has bobbled multiple snaps, the Gardner drop was poor placement by Daniels, overthrowing a wide open Parchment in the end zone, putting passes in places where the receivers have to stop and adjust instead of hitting the receivers in stride. Hanging on to the ball too long because he's not going to his progressions or pulling the ball because his initial read isn't there. The OLine has absolutely nothing to do with those issues. Those are 100% on Daniels, not the OLine.

He's made a bunch of mistakes tonight that MacVittie wouldn't have made because MacVittie has college experience.

Jalon Daniels should be the back up to MacVittie right now getting 2-3 series a game in more controlled.scenarios to ease him into playing and then hand the keys over to him midseason when he's better adjusted and equipped to the job.

that's a joke man but you have fun you make no sense period POOR PLACEMENT - -roflmao are you fricking serious - -REALLY come on man it was right there you couldn't sk for a bettehr thrown ball lmao - -good night time for bed

Yes, ball placement makes a big deal in the catch ability of a pass. That pass to Gardner was over his outside shoulder instead of his inside shoulder. That's he why didn't catch that pass.

he flat dropped it plain and simple NO ONE within 7 yards of him couldn't of been served better

Just stop, you're lack of football knowledge is shining bright right now. Go watch Pat Mahomes hit receivers in stride and watch Daniels put the ball in bad spots and still tell me ball placement doesn't matter.

That sack was a bad sack to take because of field position. Throwing it away instead of losing yardage and taking another hit from a defender was the better play.

@jayballer67 said in 18 Point Dogs to the Bears:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in 18 Point Dogs to the Bears:

@jayballer67 said in 18 Point Dogs to the Bears:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in 18 Point Dogs to the Bears:

Daniels is very sped up tonight and has made a bunch of mistakes. Fumbles, bad throws, bad reads, taking off too quickly. Outside of the first drive when Baylor clearly wasn't expecting Daniels to start, has done next to nothing tonight and Daniels has looked overwhelmed and panicky tonight. He might be ready later this season, but he's not ready yet to me.

ummm by far , by far not Daniels snaps low and wide - - Gardner drops a WIDE open td Highshaw can't pick up one YARD ON 4TH and 1 - that's NOT Daniels - -that's on your offensive line NOT FANIELS he is doing fine , sure 1st game jitters but like they announcers saying on the radio much QUICKER release on his throws - -sure the hell don't need Macvittie to stink thinks up and he is a SENIOR where is his leadership ? - - back at the ranch thats where

Daniels has bobbled multiple snaps, the Gardner drop was poor placement by Daniels, overthrowing a wide open Parchment in the end zone, putting passes in places where the receivers have to stop and adjust instead of hitting the receivers in stride. Hanging on to the ball too long because he's not going to his progressions or pulling the ball because his initial read isn't there. The OLine has absolutely nothing to do with those issues. Those are 100% on Daniels, not the OLine.

He's made a bunch of mistakes tonight that MacVittie wouldn't have made because MacVittie has college experience.

Jalon Daniels should be the back up to MacVittie right now getting 2-3 series a game in more controlled.scenarios to ease him into playing and then hand the keys over to him midseason when he's better adjusted and equipped to the job.

that's a joke man but you have fun you make no sense period POOR PLACEMENT - -roflmao are you fricking serious - -REALLY come on man it was right there you couldn't sk for a bettehr thrown ball lmao - -good night time for bed

Yes, ball placement makes a big deal in the catch ability of a pass. That pass to Gardner was over his outside shoulder instead of his inside shoulder. That's he why didn't catch that pass.

@jayballer67 said in 18 Point Dogs to the Bears:

And - - Again Daniels fault lol for the offensive line just getting BLOWN UP no protection, please don't say he just needs to get rid of the ball, bad decision making - -he throws the ball away - -you STILL have 4th down and punting the ball

Taking a sack in that spot is a bad decision. That's why you don't put an inexperienced QB behind a shit OLine. They make stupid decisions like taking those kind of sacks.

@jayballer67 said in 18 Point Dogs to the Bears:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in 18 Point Dogs to the Bears:

Daniels is very sped up tonight and has made a bunch of mistakes. Fumbles, bad throws, bad reads, taking off too quickly. Outside of the first drive when Baylor clearly wasn't expecting Daniels to start, has done next to nothing tonight and Daniels has looked overwhelmed and panicky tonight. He might be ready later this season, but he's not ready yet to me.

ummm by far , by far not Daniels snaps low and wide - - Gardner drops a WIDE open td Highshaw can't pick up one YARD ON 4TH and 1 - that's NOT Daniels - -that's on your offensive line NOT FANIELS he is doing fine , sure 1st game jitters but like they announcers saying on the radio much QUICKER release on his throws - -sure the hell don't need Macvittie to stink thinks up and he is a SENIOR where is his leadership ? - - back at the ranch thats where

Daniels has bobbled multiple snaps, the Gardner drop was poor placement by Daniels, overthrowing a wide open Parchment in the end zone, putting passes in places where the receivers have to stop and adjust instead of hitting the receivers in stride. Hanging on to the ball too long because he's not going to his progressions or pulling the ball because his initial read isn't there. The OLine has absolutely nothing to do with those issues. Those are 100% on Daniels, not the OLine.

He's made a bunch of mistakes tonight that MacVittie wouldn't have made because MacVittie has college experience.

Jalon Daniels should be the back up to MacVittie right now getting 2-3 series a game in more controlled.scenarios to ease him into playing and then hand the keys over to him midseason when he's better adjusted and equipped to the job.

Daniels is very sped up tonight and has made a bunch of mistakes. Fumbles, bad throws, bad reads, taking off too quickly. Outside of the first drive when Baylor clearly wasn't expecting Daniels to start, has done next to nothing tonight and Daniels has looked overwhelmed and panicky tonight. He might be ready later this season, but he's not ready yet to me.

@stoptheflop said in GAME DAY:

Does anyone else get the impression that Coach Miles is disconnected and unenthusiastic about this team? His tv interview before the CC game was embarrassing. He couldn't think of much to say and seldom looked at the camera. While I don't like over-enthusiastic statements and hyperbole, it would be nice for a head coach to talk up his team with some confidence. The interview reminded me of Charlie Weis and his downbeat, ready to slit his wrists interviews with the media.

Les has never been a good interview going back to OSU. It's just not his strength.

My first exposure to Sayers was through "Brian's Song" when I was in middle school before I was a true Jayhawk or even really cared about college football.

Had a couple of chances to meet him, once in high school at a trading card convention and he was one of the athletes they brought in to do an autograph signing. Unfortunately the picture I got signed was ruined when Hurricane Ike hit Houston in 2008. Then I met him again few years after I graduated from KU because my cousin was getting married in KC and I went over to Lawrence for a day and Sayers was at KU for some event with the alumni or WEF, not sure, and I bumped into him in the Union and talked for a few minutes. His dementia had started getting worse by that point, but he was still the nicest person ever.

@stoptheflop said in GAME DAY:

ESPN stats for the CC game shows the QB ratings as: Kendrick 27.6, MacVittie 33.9 and Daniels 18.8. Since Kendrick had the most snaps against CC, I suggest starting him and letting him play the entire first half, no matter what mistakes he makes. Then make adjustments at half time.

Kendrick only had the most snaps because MacVittie got hurt early in the second half, not because of play or production. If MacVittie is healthy, that's who should get the majority of the snaps against Baylor.

@jayballer67 Jalon Daniels is not the savior of Kansas football in 2020. If he was good enough to be playing now, Miles and Dearmon would be playing him now instead of having him as the 3rd string option.

We all know MacVittie and Kendrick are massively flawed QB's and nobody here is trying to say either one are good QB's. It should tell you something when a national title winning head coach and one of best younger offensive minds in the game agree on Daniels not being better than MacVittie or Kendrick yet.

@jayballer67 "You say Daniels feeding to the wolves being damaged goods - - and I call BS with this kid , Daniels stronger arm , Daniels better footwork , quicker -MacVittie is lost , slow"

None of those attributes means a thing if you can't make the reads in an RPO based offense and I'm guessing Daniels reads are still way too slow. Since none of those three appear to be the future at QB, play the one with the most in game experience at the college level which is MacVittie.

@jayballer67 If Miles or Dearmon thought Daniels was ready, he'd be starting. Throwing someone out there at QB just because they're a freshman doesn't mean their development suddenly speeds up. If Daniels gets fed to the wolves before he's ready, he becomes damaged goods and sets KU back even further in trying to find their QB of the future.

The only offer Daniels had that gives me hope he could play later this season is the Army offer because that tells me there's some intangibles there that can't be taught. Jalon Daniels likely still needs to learn the playbook and get reps which he didn't get a lot of because of Covid cancelling so much practice this summer.

Quite frankly, KU's future at QB is much more tied to Ben Easters and his development than it is to any of the QB's currently on the roster because none of them would be starting at any other P5 school.

@stoptheflop said in Baylor COVID postponement:

@Texas-Hawk-10 Hey #10, I know you're use to my complaints about the pass down the line of scrimmage that never gains anything and last week resulted in the first quarter fumble. But, I see that we are once again using the pause handoff between the QB and RB where they stand together for a second to see who should take the ball. I guess you'd call that an option because the QB may keep it and run or hand off. What I hate is that when the offensive line is already getting beaten on each play by the the mighty CC D-line, that stupid pause just lets the defensive line get a couple more yards deeper into our backfield to easily blow the play up. I'm sure our o-line will get better, but do you agree the backfield pause by the QB is a liability now?

Not necessarily because it's a zone read/RPO play. These are by design slower developing plays because the QB has to read his keys. The objective is make the defense be wrong in whatever decision they make in regards to option assignments and pass coverage assignments.

Because of the lack of practice since KU didn't practice in the spring and had limited practice this fall, Dearmon's RPO based offense is going to look pretty rough this year because it takes time and reps for the QB to learn to read his keys.

This game is one of KU's best chances for a win this season. New coach with limited practices due to Covid-19 could easily be a recipe for an upset.

@DanR said in GAME DAY:

Too many guys open on that dud throw

Got hit on release

@wissox said in GAME DAY:

So why do they go for 2 there? Now we need two TD's instead of a FG and a TD.

11 was still a TD and FG.

@Crimsonorblue22 said in GAME DAY:

Can we beat anybody? KSU?

KSU scored 31 so not a chance. Texas Tech is going to be KU's best shot this year at an upset.

Really refs! How do you miss that facemask? Or are they giving Coastal some home cooking?

Even if fans were allowed, this is probably what the stands would look like at this point anyway.

Watch the damn football!!!

And a horse collar, KU is killing themselves tonight

@DanR said in GAME DAY:

Where the f is pooka? Oh in to block

Pooka doesn't have the durability to be given the ball every play.

Miles Kendrick in now

@wissox said in GAME DAY:

Didn't our guy cause that fumble by running into the ball carrier? Yikes

That was more on TK not getting up the field, but yes Parchment is the one who caused the fumble.

@stoptheflop That's what that play is designed for, to get 5-6 yards.

@stoptheflop said in GAME DAY:

I can't believe the offense started with that same BS pass down the line of scrimmage for no gain.

It's a staple of every spread offense because it's essentially a running play.

KU is going to be lucky to hold anyone under 30 this year.

DE, you have have containment! Stay home!

Marable looks like he's going to carve up the defense all night again this year.

@stoptheflop said in GAME DAY:

Is there anything to gain by OU playing Miss St? Just a track meet. At the half, OU 359 yds. Miss St 37 yds.

It's a game for OU to make any tweaks they need against an inferior opponent and it's a paycheck game for MoSt.

@mayjay said in GAME DAY:

When did they stop having kickoffs when listed? KU supposedly @ 9 but so far 13 minutes of ads and talking heads, same thing earlier for Clemson game.

This is what happens when previous events run long.

Gotta catch passes like that. KU isn't good enough to give away scoring opportunities.

@FarmerJayhawk said in GAME DAY:

@stoptheflop said in GAME DAY:

ESPN doesn't show the OU game being televised anywhere. wth? I watched Rattler on QB1 and was hoping to get an early look at him. ESPN2 has South Ala v. Tulane at 6:30. I would sure think OU would draw more viewers.

I believe it’s PPV

It is PPV and it's $55 to watch the game.

@stoptheflop It all has to with how the TV distribution deal were altered because of the MAC and MWC not playing this fall. Those are the leagues along with the Sun Belt that historically get put into the evening slot on ESPN2 because it's not a coveted spot due to other high profile games typically on the major networks.

@DanR said in This is the kind of Pub KU doesn't need:

Les Miles did the hawk talk radio show live at Johnny's West in Lawrence tonight. With an audience.

I don't get it. Why not just do it in a studio or over the phone? This just seems like one of those easy things to skip.

The deal with Hawk Talk was you had to make a reservation ahead of time because of the limited seating. Les wasn't signing autographs or any interactions with fans and their set up was away from the diners. It was as safe as you could get.

@wissox The only way the US could compete doing that is if FIBA imposed age restrictions similar to what FIFA does in men's soccer for the Olympics. Even if FIBA made men's olympic basketball U-21, the US team would still be loaded with pros. The only way to get a college team would be to make the men's olympic basketball U-19 and I would have minimal desire to watch that as olympic basketball just like I don't care about watching men's olympic soccer because it's a lower quality product.

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Jacque Vaughn keeps his (old) job:

@FarmerJayhawk I assume u mean Jacque? I agree. He did a good job in the playoffs, lots of injuries, too. He deserved it. KD isn’t very loyal anyway. Guess that’s the nba

Nash was working in GS's front office while KD was there. That's why Nash got the Brooklyn job, KD wanted Nash.

The Big 12 announced the TV times for games and KU will be playing Coastal Carolina on FS1 at 9pm on Sept. 12. With the PAC-12 not playing this fall, that opens up the late night time slots the PAC-12 would normally have and which are now probably going to be filled by the Big 12 and probably mostly by Kansas since it's not a ideal time slot for a team in the CST time zone.

@Crimsonorblue22 A blanket policy doesn't make sense in this situation though because not every school is located in the same type of area. Schools like OSU and ISU are probably more likely to get some fans into their stadiums sooner because they're in small towns that are already pretty isolated. Compare that to Texas, TCU, and OU that are all located in major metropolitan areas and their local Covid situations are going to look far different than schools on the middle of nowhere essentially.

Long said in his explanation about no fans for September that it's up to each county to decide when it's relatively safe for fans to return to games and at whatever capacity.

Sounds like even when they do allow fans, it's only going to be students and season ticket holders based on Jeff Long's official statement this afternoon.

Hall of fame Georgetown coach John Thompson passed away yesterday at the age of 78. Thompson was the first black head coach to win an NCAA championship in men's basketball in 1984 over Houston.

As a player, Thompson played at Providence where he was an honorable mention All-American in his senior season in 1964. He was the 25th pick (3rd round) in the 1964 NBA draft by the Boston Celtics and played 2 years in the NBA winning championships both seasons.

As a coach, Thompson spent 27 seasons at Georgetown before retiring after 1999 where he won 596 games including the 1984 NCAA title. He reached 3 Final Fours overall, won 7 Big East titles, and was a 2x national coach of the year winner.

There's plenty of other times when athletes are basically the only people on campus such as over summer and winter breaks.

This will also give UNC a much better chance at completing their season because their players are now in a much more controlled environment with a lot fewer interactions with people outside the program.

@FarmerJayhawk I do think Jalen transferring after this year is pretty likely if he isn't in the rotation this season which I don't see why he would be in the rotation at this point.

Former Arizona head coach Lute Olson passed at the age of 85 from complications a stroke he suffered last year.

Lute coached at Long Beach State, Iowa, and Arizona with a career record of 776-285 in 34 seasons. Arizona won just 4 games in the season prior to hiring Olson. Olson missed the NCAA tournament in his first year at Arizona, and then not again for his final 23 seasons. In his 24 years at Arizona, Olson won 589 games, 11 Pac 10 titles, 4 Final Fours (5 total as he made the 1980 Final Four at Iowa), and the 1997 national championship as the only team to beat 3 #1 seeds en route to a championship.

Olson might be one of, if not the most underrated coach in college basketball history. We rarely hear his name brought up when discussing the greatest coaches in history and he definitely belongs in that conversation.

This case shouldn't even need to go to the IARP because this shouldn't be an overly complicated case. If the IARP does accept the case, hopefully they nail Will Wade to the wall and LSU for not firing him in 2019 when the audio came out.

My view on the Jacob Blake shooting is that both sides deserve blame. As a police officer, when someone is not following orders the way Blake was and is trying to get into his vehicle, officers have no idea what Blake's intentions are at that point. Officers have no way of knowing if Blake was going to get in his car and drive off peacefully or reach under his seat and pull a gun out and open fire or anything in between.

In my eyes, the first and second shots are pretty easily justifiable because Blake was already resisting and non-cooperative with an officer's orders and officers had no way of knowing why Blake was trying to get into his car. After those first couple of shots, it crosses the line from justifiable discharge of a weapon into excessive force and attempted murder because there's no reason it should've taken 7 shots at point blank range to subdue Blake.

This is what I tell my black and Hispanic students about situations and interactions with police that they may encounter. Complying with an officer's request may not guarantee your safety unfortunately, but compliance gives you the highest probability of being able to see your family and friends again.

I was born and lived in Sulphur until I was in kindergarten before moving to Houston. Still have a few family friends in the Sulphur/Lake Charles area and I believe they all evacuated once reports came out Laura was going to be worse than Rita was back in 2005.

The Weather Channel was holed up at the Golden Nugget which is on the south side of Lake Charles on the Calcasieu River and one of their reporters, Stephanie Abrams, was on air doing a report last night a little after 1am when glass from the balcony above her shattered and she had to quickly run back inside the hotel for cover.

I really want to drive over and see how the house I lived in when I was kid over there cared, but I really wouldn't be shocked if it sustained significant wind damage last night.

@jayhawkblue73 said in Philly is a dissapoinment:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Philly is a dissapoinment:

@jayhawkblue73 said in Philly is a dissapoinment:

@approxinfinity said in Philly is a dissapoinment:

@Texas-Hawk-10 agree with the durability issue and not making him a centerpiece. If Simmons could shoot a 3 it would strengthen your argument. JoJo career .319, Simmons career .083!! Thats rough. Not sure you want to build around that either.

Agee, Simmons is one reason they have struggled in the playoffs , he has no outside consistent shot - - ugly shot , gets most of his off drives , rebounds & dunks. Plus he has had his own share of health issues , he got hurt this year again right before the playoffs against Boston not really a good track record himself. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Simmons has a much better health track record than Embiid does. Before this season Simmons had missed just 4 regular season games the previous two years. Another difference between the injury histories of Simmons and Embiid is that Simmons issues are not chronic, his injuries have been different to different parts of his body. Embiid does have chronic issues with the same injuries to the same body parts that started at KU.

I would be much less concerned with Simmons long term health than I would be with Embiid's.

I dunno, all I know is the talk is that Philly wants to hang on to Jo Jo and trade Simmons maybe get a better Scorer , would love to see Booker there BUT that's not happening

That might be what they want to do and I get it because Embiid is a higher ceiling player than Simmons, but I believe that would be a mistake. Ben Simmons is a unique talent being a true point forward. LeBron is the only other player that can be considered a point forward right now.

Like I said above, if I was the GM of Philly, I would look to trade Embiid and build around Simmons because I believe Simmons is the more valuable player and much harder player to replace because of his unique skill set. Without Embiid and with some shooters, I could easily see Simmons average a triple double for a season. Even as currently constructed, Simmons is good for 16-8-8 per night so I don't think it'd be a big stretch to see him average a triple double with the right roster composition around him.