dang it no catch - -but 1st and goal at the 3
jayballer67
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WOW what a catch MR Casey
Hmmm Ky thomas didn't make the trip with the team - - why not ? - -he really han't added as much as he was talked up coming in the portal just hasn't produced when he has been in
you would of thought cause they wasn't getting squat against our run D up the middle
All these penalities and giving the ball up is killin us
Good start for the defense this half
you know what though guys. This group of Ku guys compared to the last thirteen years is night and day. -Coach L has really made some progrress with these guys. - Proud of the way they compete. - -Glad we got Coach locked in for some time to come
@Kcmatt7 said in KU vs ksu 🦃's:
We are that stupid punt return muff away from being up
ya special teams didn't do us any favors
ANOTHER mistake by special teams - -OJ not fair catching that punt just cost us an additional 15 yards like they just mentioned on the KU network
perfect example of the progress w have made. - - acouple of years ago the way K State has went- -it would of been game over a long ime ago. - -we just exchanging blows for blows right now - - love the fight
We proud of these guys huh fella's ?
@Kcmatt7 said in KU vs ksu 🦃's:
Just not talented enough to make mistakes. Our defense has to improve over the off-season
Agree hoping Coach is big time defensive help this year. - had chances for big stop and let down and they bust 80 yarder - -that just not gonna get it
Mercy this defense is just sad
HEY there we go , why to show some stand up - -take it to them , love the fight guys, -NOW the Defense needs to get a stop
@DanR said in KU vs ksu 🦃's:
I think our offense looks faster than KSU's defense and JD looks sharp, so we have that. Our D .... and special teams geez... look terrible.
they wee saying our special teams have cost us 9 points already. - Hold in the end zone for safety , Special team trying to run our when should of knelt down
Well , here we go
Dang it - - that's not good , somebody lost their coverage , Welp w just got to come right back at them.
Hey how about that. - -K State has one of the top defenses in the league. Yet Jalen dos good job moving the team down the field - - - TD
@FarmerJayhawk said in Anyone concerned about losing Leipold to Nebraska?:
Guessing 42-24 KSU. We just don’t have the horses to go 60 minutes with them…. Yet.
Probably more like 52-14 - -Vaughn gonna run wild - -Howard go bat doo - pick our secondary apart
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in 2023 croots:
@jayballer67 said in 2023 croots:
Guys got two questions .One is , isn't Spencer Rattler - - Didn't he use to play for Oklahoma the QB ? - -& 2nd if I'm not mistaking and very easily could be but If I'm not mistaking I think we have played TCU the closest anyone has played them this year right ? - 38- - - -31
We're at best TCU's third closest game. Last week, they kicked a game winning FG as time expired down 2 to win by 1 against Baylor and they went to double OT against OSU after erasing a 14 point 4th quarter deficit.
ya true. Absent minded Still played them really well. - - They just hammering Iowa State 55-7 in the 3rd quarter
Guys got two questions .One is , isn't Spencer Rattler - - Didn't he use to play for Oklahoma the QB ? - -& 2nd if I'm not mistaking and very easily could be but If I'm not mistaking I think we have played TCU the closest anyone has played them this year right ? - 38- - - -31
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Other games:
@jayballer67 said in Other games:
Can someone please define the responsibilities of a PG ? - -there seems to be a difference of opinion with some here.
I always thought and or heard that a PG duties was to run the team like a QB - set the offense , distribute to others getting them shots , open looks & some Scoring , making the assistsPeople saying 9.0 is NOT enough - -need to score more. - If you have your others doing what they should then 9 points a game should be sufficient.
As ew know are we should know this team right now has serious limitations. As been mentioned before -we have got to get somebody else to be able to score the ball. Most of or at least a lot of the problems center around our 5. -we have just got to get something out of them - -we have to get something out of our bench. -other then last night with Joe scoring and that was out of necessity with Juan foul problems we have gotten zelch from the bench.
I would think Zach would be the logical choice. - -Seen a little flash last year, hasn't really shown yet this year , but if he is on he is a big that can stretch the floor, pull opposition away from the basket - -Ernest & Zuby better rebounders - -just no offensive skills at this point at all. - If we could get Zach off the snide other tteams would be more forced to play honestly instead of sagging off others
There's different styles of PG and Self has traditionally preferred PG's who look to score so Harris definitely breaks that mold of what we expect out of a Bill Self PG. Under Self, he's had what I would consider to be 4 PG's that don't fit the mold of a score first PG. Aaron Miles whom he inherited from Roy. Russell Robinson who came to KU with a reputation as a big time scorer, Naadir Tharpe, and now Harris amd none of those 4 were Self's first choice at PG other than Miles because he inherited him. Robinson was known as a scorer in HS and when that didn't translate to KU, Self tried making Chalmers the PG first before handing the keys to Robinson. Thorpe was something like the 7th or 8th option in his class and KU ended up with him because of a bunch of recruiting misses around the time Self was way off on recruiting and had a bunch of misses and desperate signings. Harris was pretty similar to Tharpe in that regard in that he wasn't Self's first choice and done more as a favor to Braun, but has obviously far outperformed his recruiting ranking.
As far as actual on court style, Harris has a very similar game to Aaron Miles in that neither were good shooters, neither looked to get their own shot first, and both were happier to create for others. A lot of the complaints against Harris stem from the fact we're so used to seeing our PG be either first or second in scoring because that's Self's preferred style of PG play.
I will also say that the roster composition for both title teams was very similar. A play making PG with the scoring PG as the 6th man (Robinson-Collins, Harris-Martin), a second guard that could shoot lights out (Chalmers, Braun), a wing that could do a little bit of everything (Rush, Agbaji), a 4 that could drive and clean up on glass (Arthur, Wilson), and a 5 that was serviceable, but not flashy (Jackson/Kaun, McCormack). Obviously those two teams had their own individual strengths and weaknesses (2008 was much better in defense and 2022 was much better on offense), but there were a lot of similarities with how those teams were constructed in March.
Thank you. at least you can be civil in your response. Greatly Appreciated
Farmer I need your help/varification if you can. - -Read that KU had got the # 1 portal transfer to the class. - -Logan Brown a 6'6 - -315 pound OL from Wisconsin. -Have you heard anything about this ? -- Got from TOS - how credited is this - -very nice obviously if true
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Anyone concerned about losing Leipold to Nebraska?:
@jayballer67 said in Anyone concerned about losing Leipold to Nebraska?:
Wrap up the regular season tonight. - - Hoping to be competitive. Afraid Vaughn runs wils , Howard picks our secondary apart been pretty shaky all year, I thinks that's where we need the most help , the defensive side of the ball
I think a lot of how this game goes is on how KU approachs it. - -Do we play Jalen take the chance on he re-injuring and then not be available for the Bowl game ?
Do we play Bean and sit Jalen ? -- OR do we sit both Jalen & Jason - -play our freshman Vasko , give he gain experience & stil not lose his red shirt and save BOTH Jalen & Jason for the bowl?
Hoping for the best. Play competitive - -play hard -- look forwardA KU win A) ends the 13 year streak, B) knocks KSU out of the B12 title game, and C) IT'S KSU, GO BEAT THEM!!! Beating KSU doesn't happen with Vasko or Bean starting at QB.
I pretty much agree. Only question is Jalen 100 % now ?
Can someone please define the responsibilities of a PG ? - -there seems to be a difference of opinion with some here.
I always thought and or heard that a PG duties was to run the team like a QB - set the offense , distribute to others getting them shots , open looks & some Scoring , making the assists
People saying 9.0 is NOT enough - -need to score more. - If you have your others doing what they should then 9 points a game should be sufficient.
As ew know are we should know this team right now has serious limitations. As been mentioned before -we have got to get somebody else to be able to score the ball. Most of or at least a lot of the problems center around our 5. -we have just got to get something out of them - -we have to get something out of our bench. -other then last night with Joe scoring and that was out of necessity with Juan foul problems we have gotten zelch from the bench.
I would think Zach would be the logical choice. - -Seen a little flash last year, hasn't really shown yet this year , but if he is on he is a big that can stretch the floor, pull opposition away from the basket - -Ernest & Zuby better rebounders - -just no offensive skills at this point at all. - If we could get Zach off the snide other tteams would be more forced to play honestly instead of sagging off others
Wrap up the regular season tonight. - - Hoping to be competitive. Afraid Vaughn runs wils , Howard picks our secondary apart been pretty shaky all year, I thinks that's where we need the most help , the defensive side of the ball
I think a lot of how this game goes is on how KU approachs it. - -Do we play Jalen take the chance on he re-injuring and then not be available for the Bowl game ?
Do we play Bean and sit Jalen ? -- OR do we sit both Jalen & Jason - -play our freshman Vasko , give he gain experience & stil not lose his red shirt and save BOTH Jalen & Jason for the bowl?
Hoping for the best. Play competitive - -play hard -- look forward
@BShark said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:
@BeddieKU23 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:
Bobby P out weeks with hamstring strain. Nothing new for him here
Will be forced to play Joe or MJ now. Whew boy.
I think Joe at the PG---would still like to see more of MJ on the floor at least a better probability of scoring if he can get things straightened out - -we need him
@BShark said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:
@Jethro Fire Bill clearly
Lol, start the campaign I'm there for you - -let's do this lmao
@Jethro said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:
@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:
@FarmerJayhawk not at all I explained to you. Just because you are in a power 5 conference doesn’t make you legit competition
Maybe we'll let you polish our national championship trophy!
Jethro , you didn't listen we not winning a National Championship with Coach Self - not with a Bill Self team. Ol wise one said so
@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:
@jayballer67 I’d bow out to after those last few posts “rolfmao”
ok bye -- bye
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:
@jayballer67 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:
@jayballer67 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:
@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:
@jayballer67 erase it nah - Zuby will rebound he’s the best of the 4
Well not sure if you know or not but that 6'7 guy your talking about KJ is KU's leading rebounder tonight - so ya lets take him out and put Zuby in. - -I know maybe Zuby gonna score more then KJ - -doubt it - sure Kj only has 4 points - but again leading rebounder this game and thats what we ARE talking about he has 7 rebounds and 4 points. -Right now it takes Zuby or Ernest 5 games to score 4 points. -& KJ much much better defensively then Ernst or Zuby is close to being. - -So really not sure what the hell your thinking is thinking we would be better with them in
All but 1 of KJ's rebounds are offensive tonight. He has only 1 rebound on defense. And this is a big problem for KU because KJ is the worst defensive rebounding big Self has ever had. KU absolutely has to get one of the other post players going because KJ's defensive rebounding is an issue that has to fixed at some point.
It wa the ENTIRE teams was an issue tonight - as bad as things were , they would of been a ot worse with 2nd and third chances if it was for KJ's rebounding
Again, KJ only had 1 defensive rebound tonight. Tennessee grabbed 15 offensive rebounds to our 17 defensive rebounds tonight. It was basically 50/50 on who got the ball after a Tennessee miss tonight and KJ did nothing to help that because he got 1 defensive rebound tonight.
Ok he got - -1, ummm what about the others? - - Wilson TWO defensive rebounds- - -Dick- -THREE defensive rebounds - -TWO other players that should be on the boards. - - When you get your ass pounded on the boards by 18 - -it's a team beatin - -not one persons. On the offensive end if not for KJ's rebounding for the chance of 2nd chances as GOD knows we needed every 2nd chance we could get - - if it was for KJ's 6 offensive w would of really been screwed even worse as Wilson had TWO offensive rebounds & Dick had ONE - -So agree ya he needs to do more on defensive boards but the way I was always taught - there are five guys on the team - -you win sa a team - - you lose as a team there is NOT just one guy that ost you a game
@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:
@jayballer67 you listed Cuffe and Martin as if because we aren’t fully healthy those two bench warmers would have made a difference
Talk about a trip….come down from that high man. Surprised you didn’t list Jank too
have a great night
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:
@jayballer67 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:
@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:
@jayballer67 erase it nah - Zuby will rebound he’s the best of the 4
Well not sure if you know or not but that 6'7 guy your talking about KJ is KU's leading rebounder tonight - so ya lets take him out and put Zuby in. - -I know maybe Zuby gonna score more then KJ - -doubt it - sure Kj only has 4 points - but again leading rebounder this game and thats what we ARE talking about he has 7 rebounds and 4 points. -Right now it takes Zuby or Ernest 5 games to score 4 points. -& KJ much much better defensively then Ernst or Zuby is close to being. - -So really not sure what the hell your thinking is thinking we would be better with them in
All but 1 of KJ's rebounds are offensive tonight. He has only 1 rebound on defense. And this is a big problem for KU because KJ is the worst defensive rebounding big Self has ever had. KU absolutely has to get one of the other post players going because KJ's defensive rebounding is an issue that has to fixed at some point.
It wa the ENTIRE teams was an issue tonight - as bad as things were , they would of been a ot worse with 2nd and third chances if it was for KJ's rebounding
@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:
@jayballer67 he helped you interpret mine since you somehow couldn’t put 2 and 2 together
I didn’t include the bench because we don’t have one
Cuffe haha get out if you read this board you know he isn’t getting minutes
Martin the same
Bobby doesn’t even look to score
Tonight is more reflective of who we are this year. I mean if you didn’t see all those close calls against average teams and came away thinking we are a legitimate title contender - the red and blue glasses are glued on too tight
your a trip lmao - - have a great night roflmao
@KirkIsMyHinrich said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:
Well. I'm going to go eat pie and grade some papers.
It's going to be okay everyone
yes it is. Sun still gonna come up in the East tomorrow and sit in the West - Were gonna be fine
@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:
@FarmerJayhawk 2 Natty’s
Plenty of choke jobs and bad lineups
That’s always been his problem holding D higher than O like it’s the 1990’s basketball
Nfl has adapted, nba as well. Easier to teach a scorer ti defend than a defender how to score
Tell me ol wise one. - -how nattys has Calipari had WITH NBA lineups ? - - go ahead I'll wait ? ? ? - how many # 1 recruiting classes has Calipari had ? - - go ahead I'll wait. - - How many choke jobs does he have? - Thing is with him his teams don't play D - -and to much one on one O - -hmm dam maybe that's why they wanna run him out of Lexington on a rail- -like Farmer said - -ANOTHER FAILURE HUH roflmao
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:
@jayballer67 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:
@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:
@jayballer67 outline it.
Jalen 20 ppg
Kevin 12?
Gradey 12?
Juan 9
Kj -6?
Total:57
This D doesn’t have a doke so we can’t hang our hat on it
AND ? what the hell is your point exactly. - you telling me we have scoring machines on the bench - -if we do PLEASE let us know so we can relay to Bill
The point is we don't and playing starters 35 minutes a night isn't going to develop a bench either so when Wilson and/or Dick have an off night like tonight, KU is going to struggle to win games and will have to play low possession games in the 50's which helps keep other teams in games and if they play well, lead to blow outs like tonight.
At least you make some logic. -- I can't deal with trolls.- - -Bobby hurt , Cuffe hurt - - Martin Hurt - - Cllemencce still hurting - -but we will be ok - - -everyone has bad nights
@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:
@jayballer67 you forget your own posts? Put the bottle down man
You said 9 ppg from Juan would cut it
I outlined how that only gets us 57 points in reality which ain’t winning many games this year against real competition
So your theory that 9 ppg Juan is enough I “outlined it” for you that the math doesn’t work. Dude has to score more
Man I'm done with you -you talking just trash - -nothing worth while you just trollin - - go boot scootin boggie down in the intestate to waterville I'm done
@jayballer67 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:
@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:
@jayballer67 outline it.
Jalen 20 ppg
Kevin 12?
Gradey 12?
Juan 9
Kj -6?
Total:57
This D doesn’t have a doke so we can’t hang our hat on it
AND ? what the hell is your point exactly. - you telling me we have scoring machines on the bench - -if we do PLEASE let us know so we can relay to Bill
Only it's Jalen 23- - - Grady 18 - - - KJ 6 so oooops
@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:
@jayballer67 outline it.
Jalen 20 ppg
Kevin 12?
Gradey 12?
Juan 9
Kj -6?
Total:57
This D doesn’t have a doke so we can’t hang our hat on it
AND ? what the hell is your point exactly. - you telling me we have scoring machines on the bench - -if we do PLEASE let us know so we can relay to Bill
@dylans said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:
Well I guess KU won’t go undefeated for the first time in program history. Darn.
I know right - -think I'll just have a stroke
@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:
@jayballer67 Bill hasn’t played rice all tourney and extended minutes now
Do the same with Zuby - we know what we have in Kj
This game is over is it not? Bills not even arguing with the refs anymore you can see he knows it’s done
It’s KU - title or bust and KJ at the five is great for half a game but not going to win it
deal with it -KJ is what we got not - -you don't have to be here if you don't like how Bill Coachs - I think I'll trust him a little more with his experience then you thanks
@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:
@KirkIsMyHinrich he’s got jobbed tonight just awful officiating
Games like tonight he got exposed with our start, leading the team in turnovers and that’s just him playing half of the first half and now he’s out.
He has to be Frank, devonte, tyshawn offensively for us to win a title. Last years team he didn’t have to do that.
9 ppg won’t cut it
9 points WILL cut it if the rest of this team does what it should do
@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:
@jayballer67 erase it nah - Zuby will rebound he’s the best of the 4
Well not sure if you know or not but that 6'7 guy your talking about KJ is KU's leading rebounder tonight - so ya lets take him out and put Zuby in. - -I know maybe Zuby gonna score more then KJ - -doubt it - sure Kj only has 4 points - but again leading rebounder this game and thats what we ARE talking about he has 7 rebounds and 4 points. -Right now it takes Zuby or Ernest 5 games to score 4 points. -& KJ much much better defensively then Ernst or Zuby is close to being. - -So really not sure what the hell your thinking is thinking we would be better with them in
@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:
@jayballer67 Ask the hall of fame coach he’s the one starting a 6-6/6-7 five man
ya so your telling me Udeh & ejifor gonna eerase that huh - -- - lol - ok whateve you say
The story - - -KU getting spanked on the boards like a red headed step child - - -36 -18 - -and turnovers
this is the erssult you get and are gonna get when Wison and Grady aren't giving much. - That and just getting beat to death on the boards
KJ is Doke Version 2
@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:
Opening play is a screen to Kevin not Gradey for 3 - What are we doing Bill?
Doing the same thing he has all year. - -Grady not hittin the shot when he does shoot the three tonight