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TGIF: Ames, Here Comes the Jayhawks! • Jan 16, 2015 04:12 PM

All right you bunch of CornStalkers, don't stalk our Bill anymore. It won't stop the beat down.

KU is coming to Ames to recall the Mayor!

They have two trifectates. We have four trifectate lock down wardens. Hilton is about to be in lock down.

This prediction is to cheer up @HighEliteMajor : KU attempts 23 treys! I know. The reality is 15, but @HighEliteMajor and I are in this for the long haul!

Super props to Bill Self for putting an 82% winning record on a big man recruiting game that has appeared to be stacked against him since 2008, when Memphis was taken down--first on the sacred wood, then off it, as the Cal/WWW regime did a motion play. Self remains a basketball genius. Is he a target the wrong way types have to keep trying to marginalize, or will they declare him Jeremiah Johnson and finally let him alone? "Some say he is dead. Some say he never will be."

Luv to Ollie and UCONN for turning the academics around, if the classes are legit and the players do the book work. Books, babes (er, women) and basketball...nothing better!

RIP Bob Boyd--great story about the best runner up in history; cool pic of Boyd, Houghland and Noller; proof you can do a lot of good out of the spotlight. http://www.nola.com/lsu/index.ssf/2015/01/bob_boyd_had_a_lasting_impact.html ↗

High Noon at the NCAA--imagine the town after Gary Cooper cleans it up and leaves disillusioned with townsfolk. Imagine the town is slowly taken over by a bunch of opportunistic pimps and hustlers that ally with a cynical school marm that inherited a small gold mining fortune to put lackeys in as mayors and sheriffs. Imagine some tough railroad companies from outside muscle in and take it over from the fallen school marm and the pimps and hustlers. Imagine its one newspaper editor was forced out and replaced by a lackey in league with a black hat running the local roulette wheel. Imagine the lackey mayor of the town ordered to strip away the old laws that are disobeyed and told to replace them with autonomy. GULP! But who knows, sometimes even privateers and rum and slave traders rise to the call of more representative process. See our American Revolution. I just watched "The Patriot" again. What an amazing country we can be when the stakes are rightly understood!!!!
http://m.espn.go.com/wireless/story?storyId=12176157 ↗

Rock Chalk!

ISU and the Risk of More Inside Out • Jan 16, 2015 03:52 PM

@HighEliteMajor

U R right of course. Rome was not built in a day.

But dobber up, sir! TGIF!

We need you at full force!!!

ISU and the Risk of More Inside Out • Jan 16, 2015 03:49 PM

@benshawks08

Heck yeah! To both posts.

FWIW, students, like adults, can taste the difference between the authentic and the inauthentic. The whole society can; that's why so much money has to be spent on PR and propaganda to ensure "right thinking."

But students need the perspective of teachers like you to learn how to read first on and then between the lines in order to take good care of themselves.

We are just a bunch of board rats. You are the real deal!

Rock Chalk to you for teaching them HOW to READ, not just look at the words.

Prediction: Self about to Switch Ellis On • Jan 16, 2015 02:51 PM

@KUSTEVE and `@bskeet

Glad I hit the funny bone correctly.

Prediction: Self about to Switch Ellis On • Jan 16, 2015 11:51 AM

@Blown

thx for the kind word.

ISU and the Risk of More Inside Out • Jan 16, 2015 11:01 AM

@ParisHawk

Before I played some on the playground that's what I would have thought for sure, but after? Oh, no, it would have been even more fun playing against him. I just would have lost without someone as good on my team. 😄

ISU and the Risk of More Inside Out • Jan 16, 2015 02:30 AM

@drgnslayr

You must have been flipping great fun to play with. Wish I had at least gotten to be on your pick up team a few times. It must have been a gas.

Kentucky can do this? • Jan 16, 2015 02:22 AM

@Crimsonorblue22

Something like: this is more aggressive contact than our football team had all season? :-)

Kentucky can do this? • Jan 16, 2015 02:12 AM

@Crimsonorblue22

Great new game: "Where's Zenger?"

Market it and make enough to end the blackouts.

Kentucky can do this? • Jan 16, 2015 02:11 AM

@Crimsonorblue22

Like Pitino said, "If the NCAA doesn't see anything wrong with it then I sure don't."

Prediction: Self about to Switch Ellis On • Jan 16, 2015 02:01 AM

JNewell has a story with this Bill Self comment on Perry Ellis:

“I just think there's a little bit going on with him from a confidence standpoint, or maybe from a mental standpoint that maybe he's rationalized that it's OK to be the way I am because the team is doing well, and I don't think it is,” Self said. “I think he's got to be our go-to guy, and I don't think he's far off. I wouldn't be surprised at him having a big game and a series of big games very soon.”
http://cjonline.com/sports/2015-01-15/bill-self-perry-ellis-fraction-away-emerging-ku ↗

I have been writing for two weeks that Coach Self has been letting Perry "labor," while Self worked with getting other pieces of the Jayhawk engine firing at D1 levels of power.

Getting Oubre going took much longer than expected and even once he got going it took a few games to try to find the right role for him within the starting five.

Then Self took on Cliff, only to have Cliff, expected to be one of the really big pistons of this engine, reputedly get caught up in nagging injuries. Cliff seems to get what's going on now, even if he can't execute without fouling every game. Getting it is about all you can hope for right now.

Along the way: with the nagging injuries to The Big Red Dog, and Traylor having an indscretion with the law, then Self had thaw first Mickelson from the cryogenic tank; that did not go to Self's satisfaction.

Re-enter and retool Traylor for a face to basket offensive contribution; that took a few games.

As Cliff's fouling and injuries persisted, Self looked into the cryogenic tank and gave the order to keep Mickelson at absolute zero and to defrost Landen Lucas the last game. Lucas came in and didn't do anything horrible, which is what you need when The Big Red Dog is hobbled, and Traylor is yo-yo-ing on you, and, well, you go to guy and most experienced big man, is laboring through your ignoring him and, well, having the kind of existential crisis you like to create for players in toughening boxes off the floor, only this time you decided, out of some expedient necessity to erect the toughening box ON THE FLOOR this time.

Yep, Perry Ellis now holds the distinction--hell, in the word of Bill Self, its a kind of high honor--of being the most recent KU player ever to "play through" the toughening box on the floor.

And so he has.

Perry has actually looked on the floor the way many noteworthy KU players sent to the end of the bench for toughing have looked. His facial expression is locked in a permanent confusion, His body motions are tight and awkward, All the things that he is normally good at he is no longer good at, or no longer allowed to do. It is a hellish place--Bill Self's toughening box--but it never fails to toughen players.

Bill Self says he wouldn't be surprised if Perry has a big game, or several very shortly. He says Perry is just a fraction away from being the player they had envisioned him to be.

Bill Self says these sorts of things often around the time players look like their personalities have been depatterned at Gitmo.

Bill Self says he is concerned about Perry's body language, about the whole team's body language.

Sure, Bill, nudge, nudge, wink, wink.

Bill Self has now introduced body language into the lexicon of player analysis.

Sure, Bill, nudge, nudge, wink, wink.

This is like saying Steve McQueen's body language didn't look to good after Papillon had been in solitary confinement for a few years.

The clear translation is that Bill Self has decided that Perry has done enough time in the on floor toughening box and he is finally going to scheme some things that work for his best big man.

If one listens closely, one can hear an electric buzz and a barred door sliding open in front of a mobile toughening box with the words Perry Ellis stenciled on it.

Perry Ellis is going to come out of that contraption like a jack rabbit shot out of cannon aimed directly at the Hilton Coliseum.

Perry Ellis is going to go ape-flipping-shit crazy in Ames.

Do you recall the last Self man who fell to earth after a long stay in the hellish confines of Self's forcing him out into the outer reaches of solar system of his discomfort zone?

That would be Elijah Johnson.

The man went off for 39 points.

The man was like a cross between a radioactive cheetah and a greyhound with tobasco sauce enema.

He was like an SR-71 black bird soaring up to 100,000 feet and then doing aerobatics in near space before powering in for a perfect landing.

He was transmogrification on steroids.

He was a man set free from a toughening box.

Only Perry Ellis has been through something remotely comparable to what EJ went through.

I am not saying Perry will hang 39 in Ames.

But I am saying that if I were Fred I would wear some fire retardant Nomex driving suit to coach in Saturday at 8PM because for the next 40 minutes of division one college basketball his going to see the world's most stoic human being come flying by him like a low flying cruise missile in silks.

Go, Perry, go!!!!!!

Welcome back to the world.

Where Have All the Long Men Gone? • Jan 16, 2015 12:54 AM

@Lulufulu

I see what you mean. Point taken.

Where Have All the Long Men Gone? • Jan 16, 2015 12:36 AM

@JayHawkFanToo and @drgnslayr

Please see what I wrote to @REHawk.

I find both of your posts are serious takes articulating two facet of what appears possibly to explain at least some of this phenomenon.

What I would say is that if I could remodel both of your takes to avoid any connotations of corruption in a legal, regulatory, and rules sense, then I think basic parts of both of your takes, which on the surface seem mutually exclusive, might well be, as I just said, two useful facets of the same multi-sided diamond of hypothesis.

It appears reasonable to hypothesize that Cal recruits kids to some extent, or other, as @JayHawkFanToo describes. We can't really know if he violates any rules in doing it this way, or claim any specific knowledge of such, just that it appears that way from the outside looking in. What we can say is that in his school's prior scrapes with the NCAA he has been absolved of wrong-doing in those cases. So: as we do not have to make the assumption that he is doing anything wrong in order for the major thrust of @JayHawkFanToo description of what Cal appears to do, well, then let's just leave that aspect out of the hypothesis. Let's assume things are on the up and up.

At the same time, it also makes sense that Cal, when acting as hypothesized based on the major portion of @JayHawkFanToo's take, does so within a process that Rick Pitino has alluded to as a larger market of potential recruits shaped in some as yet not clearly understood way by agents and agent runners and by the shoecoes. And let's hypothesize that were the pool to shrink sharply that Cal's numbers of recruits would likely shrink some too, while realizing there is some room for debate on that point.

And further that when these two facets come into play with in a recruiting game space instituted by the OAD rule which creates what amounts to a 12 month, or a 24 month lead time before all participants involved in the shoeco/agent/agent runner/player complex can informally budget to achieve considerations worthy of their participation of the process leading up to the benefits. And that these considerations are somehow not in violation of laws, regulations and rules.

Further, it would seem reasonable to expand the hypothesis to include collateral damages might result to certain participants not able, or not willing, to enter into the dynamics hypothesized above, for reasons of contract, or subjective disagreement with the process.

Again, its all hypothetical and I am just throwing it out there as one possible way of reconciling the two points of view you have presented.

And I am grateful to both of you for taking a few minutes to give this some thought and to do so with calm collegiality.

Again, I think both of your positions offer important insights.

Rock Chalk!

Where Have All the Long Men Gone? • Jan 16, 2015 12:16 AM

@REHawk

I spoke the truth as best I could.

I never condescend to you, because you are the professional and I am not.

You are The Coach, based on what I have gathered from our exchanges here.

I am a Board Rat and I think there is no doubt about that.

Aliases are often jumping to the conclusion that what is going here with recruiting asymmetries is necessarily corrupt, or illegal. I don't make that jump, or at least I try not to, across the board, and increasingly I am skeptical of it at all. Sometimes aliases think I am bull evacuating about that, but I am not. The more I have learned over the years the more I think it maybe possible, that though what goes on in recruiting may not be desirable, that it may also not be corruption in the sense of violation of laws, regulations, or rules.

Corruption and illegality require an extensively developed, unambiguous set of laws, regulations and rules to exist to be violated.

When actions occur in a context of vague, or ambiguous, or non-existent law, regulation, and rules, then asymmetric costs and benefits may occur, but that does not necessarily qualify as corruption and illegality in my mind.

The activity may be unfair, cruel, or morally repugnant. It may shift costs and benefits with XTreme inequity. But that does not make it corruption in a legal/regulatory/rules sense. Maybe in a moral/ethical sense, but not in a legal/regulatory/rules sense.

A point shaving scandal, when there are laws, regulations, or rules prohibiting it are corruption in a legal sense.

Paying players valuable consideration beyond what the rules permit is corruption in a rules sense.

But based on several books that I have read about recruiting and scandals of the past in search of some historical perspective on this, I have a hunch that a great deal of what is going on today to cause the asymmetries may in fact not technically qualify as corruption in terms of laws, regulations, and rules. But the hunch of a non legal professional doesn't account for much.

And I don't want to get bogged down in laws, regulations and rules, because I am not an expert in those areas, and until I see some specific laws, regulations and rules that are being violated, and not being addressed properly by the relevant authorities, I am going to assume that the authorities are able to take care of that job without fan assistance.

What I think fans can and should do is explore all the non-corrupt dynamics that might trigger the recruiting asymmetries.

Why?

Well, if we do and discover them, then we can confidently advocate for KU to commence doing them.

And if we cannot discover them, then, well, as Conan-Doyle used to have Holmes say, if one has exhausted all of the other possibilities, then what ever remains, how ever improbable (or corrupt and illegal) must be the explanation.

So if we explore all the non-corrupt paths and don't find anything, well, I believe someone in authority would recognize the implication, don't you?

And approaching the situation this way, keeps we non-professionals from treading into areas we lack the professional skills to wade into.

Now, does that seem like a bull-evacuator to you?

Rock Chalk!

ISU and the Risk of More Inside Out • Jan 15, 2015 10:32 PM

@KUSTEVE

Wow! 20 trey makes! You are feeling strong today!!!!

I would love it!!!!!!!

Where Have All the Long Men Gone? • Jan 15, 2015 09:24 PM

@Crimsonorblue22

It is amazing how entertainment and sports are converging as entertainment. I wonder if they are converging on the agent level, too?

ISU and the Risk of More Inside Out • Jan 15, 2015 09:22 PM

@JayhawkRock78

Yes, my thoughts, exactly. :-)

Where has ralster gone? • Jan 15, 2015 09:06 PM

@ralster, we need you weighing in.

We are to the meat of the season.

Lace'em up!!

Where Have All the Long Men Gone? • Jan 15, 2015 09:03 PM

@Crimsonorblue22

You make a great point.

What is Cal's take on his connection with Drake?

Drake's family was reputedly from Toronto and from Memphis.

Did he and Cal become associated in Memphis through some fund raisers?

It doesn't look like Drake was a college basketball player, before his music and Canadian TV career's sky rocketed.

I read somewhere that when Drake was 15 a friend of his had a father who was an agent that took an interest in Drake. But none of the sites I googled ever mentions the name of the agent. Have you hear of that agent's name?

Might there be any overlaps between Drake's management, agency, and advisers and Cal and World Wide Wes, or anyone else associated with Cal from his Memphis years? Just idle curiosity.

Don't Drake and Cal look swell together?

Self has Garth Brooks for an entertainer pal.

But I would say Drake is a bit more popular among young recruits these days that Garth. :-)

ISU and the Risk of More Inside Out • Jan 15, 2015 08:34 PM

@BeddieKU23

It depends. :-)

If ISU shoots 25 or more treys, and is shooting its average or better, KU will have to shoot treys a nearly equivalent number and percentage of treys, and hold ISU to 5-8 fewer shot attempts to win the game. It can do this with stripping, blocks, alters and rebounding on the defensive end, coupled with protecting it on the offensive end and an edge in offensive rebounding.

If ISU shoots a poor percentage on its treys, then Self can afford to muddy it up, stay inside out looking for the inside trey, and shoot less than 15 treys outside, rebound mightily on both ends and grind out a W.

What Self does depends largely on the first five trey attempts by ISU.

Increasingly, this is how it is with every game.

Self has to be forced into matching 3ptas.

He won't do it willingly.

Where Have All the Long Men Gone? • Jan 15, 2015 08:25 PM

@JayHawkFanToo

Do you have a reason why you think he would be able to attract 10 OAD/TADs to a different program?

I have not been able to explain how he does it at UK to my complete satisfaction, and I have not yet been able to explain how he would do it at another school.

I admit to being a bit bumfuzzled by it.

Part of me wants to call it an anomaly, even for Nike-Cal. But then there is Nike-Coach K with reputedly 9 OAD/TADs. One guy, Nike-Cal, has a reputedly questionable reputation, while the other, Nike-K, has a reputedly nearly spotless reputation.

I don't know WHAT to make of it.

All I know for sure is there are two cases of XTReme asymmetry in talent distribution and both are Nike programs with Nike coaches.

For what little it is worth, I have posed what you opine before to myself, as a what-if thought experiment and asked what would it imply?

What if Cal signed with adidas and convinced UK to do the same?

Or similarly, what if he left and signed with adidas and an adidas school?

And what if he continued to have 10 OAD/TADs, as adidas Cal and adidas-UK, or adidas-fill in the blank?

Would it be because Cal had even more recruiting charisma than, say, Stumpy Miller, who stayed with Nike in the what if scenario?

Would it mean that Cal was just so incomparably persuasive as a recruiter that Cal could overcome the smaller recruiting pool that Rick Pitino reputedly recently alluded to? That Bill Self at least appears to be constrained by?

Could be, I suppose.

Probably? Hmmm. That's tougher.

So what else?

Well, could it suggest that there was something else driving the signing of recruits than either PetroShoeCo brand, or Cal's coaching charisma?

But this is where even my what-if thought experiments keep bogging down and leaving me to recall the three things I mentioned above, plus one more.

1.) Pitino reputedly remarked specifically on the influence of agents and agent runners being participants contributing a reduced pool of talent available to adidas Rick and adidas Louisville.

2.) And one recalls that summer game coaches and juco coaches were reported by a New York paper as contributing to the closing of the valve of triborough talent to Norm Roberts while at St. Johns.

3.) And one recalls the reputed unretracted Chicago newspaper report that six figures was reputedly offered to a top UK player on Cal's only ring team.

4.) World Wide Wes, whom I cannot tell whether he is an agent, or a business advisor, or what, seems to have been involved in some formal, or informal way, with Cal at UMass, Memphis and early on at UK.

These are just the only data points I can recall now.

And I cannot connect these dots into any kind of connected system.

They just seem to be out there...4 data anomalies with no apparent intermediate, systemic connections.

If I even try to formulate these data points in a speculative hypothesis, the best I can say is that if Cal were to be involved initially at an adidas program with World Wide Wes in some formal, or informal capacity, and have summer game coaches and juco coaches willing to valve him talent, because he dealt with them in a way that Norm Roberts reputedly did not do, and there were unretracted rumors by a big city newspaper that one of his star players had been offered six figures to come to Cal's new school (not that it actually occurred, but that it were reported to have occurred and not been retracted); then Cal would still be having to contend with what Rick Pitino claims is a smaller recruiting pool for coaches contracted with the adidas brand, due to the reputed actions of agents and agent runners reputedly diverting players to other brands.

Pitino's reputed recent remarks really stand out in all of this, don't they?

Still, I just don't know. What if he didn't really say them?

But what if he did?

It seems like kind of stretch to me to think that Cal has enough more recruiting charisma than Rick Pitino and Bill Self to reason logically that he would still be able to land 10 OADs/TADs.

Do you see what I am saying here?

I am not saying it could not happen.

I am saying I cannot explain in my little what-if thought experiement how it could "probably" happen.

But I am not a professional at this stuff. I am just a board rat. So: I am stuck with saying I just cannot explain it and in turn I just cannot say yes, or no to your original question. I have to say: I don't know yet.

Where Have All the Long Men Gone? • Jan 15, 2015 07:35 PM

@REHawk

I so hope not, but you are The Coach.

And I am just a board rat out of the cradle endlessly wondering.

Where Have All the Long Men Gone? • Jan 15, 2015 07:32 PM

@JayHawkFanToo

I too, sir, I too.

Alas, neither of us seems up to the task yet.

Maybe time and more reporting and more reading of useful books will enable us both to see more clearly.

ISU and the Risk of More Inside Out • Jan 15, 2015 07:26 PM

@wrwlumpy

Ah, suren' it twas, sir.

And you were already bein' my own Fatter Dudenhoffer with your collages, sir, quite a bit more than I to you, I should say.

Suren' ya were, suren' ya were!

Perhaps you'll be forming your graphical duden shortly, too, sir.

I shall look upon it with delight and fancy in the showin' and not tellin' it will do.

And the little people, sir, they surely must be enlivenin' your door.

Where Have All the Long Men Gone? • Jan 15, 2015 06:47 PM

@JayHawkFanToo

You are hitting on the most crucial point of all. Is there one driver, or a small constellation of drivers, triggering the apparent phenomenon of increasingly sharply asymmetric talent distribution.

I have been saying for awhile now that what appears to be SHOEWARs may not be limited to just two or three PetroShoeCos.

The phenomena and the news reported keep suggesting there is some black matter still not being accounted for in SHOEWARS

Pitino reputedly remarked specifically on the influence of agents and agent runners being participants contributing a reduced pool of talent available to adidas Rick and adidas Louisville.

And one recalls that summer game coaches and juco coaches were reported by a New York paper as contributing to the closing of the valve of triborough talent to Norm Roberts while at St. Johns.

And one recalls the reputed unretracted Chicago newspaper report that six figures was reputedly offered to a top UK player on Cal's only ring team.

It appears possible we are so far mostly discussing the tip of a recruiting ice berg of asymmetry.

So: I cannot answer your question...yet.

What do you think?

ISU and the Risk of More Inside Out • Jan 15, 2015 06:09 PM

@HighEliteMajor

We are far, far, far out to sea now.

IMHO, there are things Self is dealing with here beyond this season and this team that would already have shattered lesser men than Self--The SHOEWARS, specifically.

For this reason, I am willing to see Bill's way as valid, even though you and I are advocating another path base on a different goal--a ring.

The point here is that Bill and Rick are NOT coaching on a level playing field.

When Self coaches in the Big 12, he is coaching against 8 other programs that are not being stacked. And he is coaching against a 9th program, Texas, that may, or may not be, joining the stacked list.

The Big 12 is a conference of non stacks.

Self is trying to win that, because that is a realistic goal.

Self proved in 2012 that he can take a non stacked team to the Finals if he has one rim protector, a good PG, and a draft choice 4. But even when he did that, he came up against a Nike stack in the Finals and lost.

Rings are increasingly unfeasible right now, unless you are a healthy Nike, or adidas stack. I know UConn squeezed through the filter last season, and persons say they weren't stacked, but they lucked out, because Embiid got injured, Stumpy can't coach a lick even with a stack, and Noels did not come back, so NIke-UK just didn't have enough experience to finish even though stacked.

I read your post first, and I read @REHawk's post second.

Clearly my logic and sense of fight is on your side.

But @REHawk is speaking from the philosophical point of view of a coach that has had to think of the best interests of young men and a program, and so I not only respect his POV on this, but also have thought it through carefully.

The bottom line is this: a coach's job is to read the situation of a season and do the best he can for his young men and his program, but always do so given the realities of the situation.

Leaders can and should aspire to and inspire to greatness for it is important for young men to learn that greatness is not limited only to those that have all the advantages.

At the same time, leaders should teach their young men the nature of reality and what greatness involves, and that reality's unfairness is as real and in need of acknowledging, as is reality's opportunities for greatness.

If I understand @REHawk's POV, and what I believe is Self's POV, this season's philosophy, and may be all season's philosophies, goes something like this.

A coach can give a great deal to a group of young men by showing them that hard work at individual and team improvement, sacrifice of self to team, and learning to release of competitive greatness are things that are within our reasonable grasp to achieve in a conference season. Winning a conference title and achieving a good record, are important and lasting distinctions of accomplishment that cannot be taken away from an individual, or a team of individuals, any more than a ring can be taken from them. The ring is the greatest achievement of all. But the odds of its achievement are very small, unless one has all of the pieces and three every game MUA at 3 of 5 positions, and even then risks of injuries, bad calls, and off nights, make a ring a risk with very long odds. Specifically the rough odds are 1 in 64, or something less with a high seed, starting in March. But the odds of winning the Big 12 are 1 in 10, and with KU's level of talent and coaching, probably something less. Thus for a coach like Self, or @REHawk, it seems unwise not to focus on winning the conference, since it is something lasting and real that their young men can carry with them the rest of their lives with considerable probability, and given that winning it does more to put them in position to get a high seed in the post season, which is greatest gift of winning of all that he could give them.

But each season, a leader must look at what is feasible. Some times the best we can probably be is a conference champ. Some times the best we can probably be is conference champ and a national champ.

So: given that Bill apparently thinks the surest way to a conference title, is to be able to play both inside out and outside in, he is continuing to labor on getting his guys so they can play inside out in a conference, where they are not really smaller than 8 of their 9 opponents.

In turn, if they learn to play this way, and if Self can work his usual coaching magic and find a way to finesse Barnes one out of two, Self can do his best to give his young men the best they can hope for, given their level of talent: a conference title and a seed high enough that if they were to tap deeply enough into their own abilities, and get some luck, they MIGHT make a run.

But if they don't, that is alright, too. They don't really have talent comparable to 8 of the top ten teams currently, because of SHOEWARs. That is not their fault. And it probably is not Self's fault. It is probably the fault of the NCAA and Nike and adidas and KU, and in a short time, Louisville, are odd elite programs out.

I know you can probably tell that I am struggling defending the position of Self and @REHawk; that it is not where my heart lies.

My heart lies always with the daring enterprise outside the box. It is who I am. So: I am not a coach of young men for a reason. A coach of young men--at least honorable ones like Self and @REHawk --has to think of things like trade-offs about how much he probably can give his young men to take away for all their hard work, rather than just the long shot of winning it all and being a champion for the rest of their lives.

Leadership is full of such uneasy trade-offs, where leaders must subordinate their ideals, morals, intense ambitions and furious competitiveness to the greater good of those they lead and the country they are pledged to deliver through peril to live to fight another day.

Lincoln compromised virtually every value he held in an attempt to prevent the Crown of Great Britain, the Habsburgs, and France from dividing and conquering both USA and Mexico, simultaneously. People still do not honor him for what he really did. They misunderstand what he was up against and what he did. Little people pick out his flaws and his prejudices. Little people reduce the greatness of what he did to single issues, like slavery, or winning a war, or railroads, or greenbacks. What he did was deliver for an entire people, even as his own base was trying to use him to highjack control, and his opposition was trying to succeed from the Union, the greatest, the only worthy thing about America--government of the people, by the people and for the people, so that such government should not perish from this earth, as it was surely on the verge of doing, and as it again is in peril of doing.

Our Presidents have always had to make some of the most horrific choices between what they ideally wanted for America and what was then feasible to deliver the country from its immediate predicament--one that usually what had been created by a long process before they came to office.

Our presidents are elected by narrower, and narrower private oligarchies, but they must still, if they are to be more than lackeys, act in the interest of the greatest good they can perceive and achieve for all the people; that they often cannot achieve much is often the product of the complexity of the context such a leader must operate in. The only ones we should loath are those that decline to do the best for the most when such was feasible.

Lincoln had to have known that the moment he printed greenbacks to take financing the Civil War out of the hands of the Bank of England, which was then not only financing both the North and South against each other, but also financing the European great powers conquest of Mexico, so as to both divide and conquer USA, but also to make sure that neither faction of the USA would ally with Mexico to control an interocean canal through central America, that he would surely be assassinated as soon as the moment were right. And yet Lincoln did it, because he apparently knew that despite the complexity of the forces at play, and the hateful greed of great fortunes pursuing trade route monopolies and the inhumane viciousness of sunk costs in slavery, a moment had improbably presented itself to cement the existence of USA for at least another half century, if only he were willing to risk his own life for every American then and for all peoples after that might one day escape the darkness of non-representational orders controlling representational governments because USA did not perish from this earth.

Leadership can be lonely.

I believe there is much more at stake here than the 2014-2015 season.

I believe that at another time, under different circumstances, Self might act differently than he is.

You and I know that the most logical way, probably the only way, for this team to win a ring is to play outside in all season long, master it, and hope to get hot and stay hot six games in March.

I suspect Bill Self understands this too.

But I suspect Bill Self, as @REHawk has eloquently and without sugar coating stated, understands the logic of what we are both saying, and has other obligations to discharge as well.

He has to think of more than one great daring enterprise.

He has to think of what is the best he can do for these players now this season and for the continuity of KU basketball within the context of SHOEWARS.

Perhaps a conference title IS the only lasting accomplishment that seems probably within these young men's talents to grasp and achieve and so attribute the accomplishment to more than just lady luck.

And if they win the conference title, then their chance of lady luck smiling on them just grew significantly greater due to the tournament seeding process.

And winning a conference title would be at least some kind of accomplishment supporting the bridging of the program into the coming transition into the OAD/TAD recruiting waters.

But damn, I sure would like to see this team play outside in for this season.

But damn, I'm not the coach.

ISU and the Risk of More Inside Out • Jan 15, 2015 04:56 PM

@drgnslayr

PHOF for cutting to the essence of a game strategy. Thanks.

ISU and the Risk of More Inside Out • Jan 15, 2015 04:55 PM

@REHawk

PHOF!

Where Have All the Long Men Gone? • Jan 15, 2015 04:08 PM

@drgnslayr

It is interesting to me that no one has remarked on the fact that all on the list but Louisville are as far as I can recall Nike programs, and Rick Pitino reputedly says Rick is getting squeezed out of recruits because agents and agent runners are shrinking his recruiting pool based on shoe brand bias.. It appears that Self's current predicament is probably a direct fallout from SHOEWARS.

Since KU's defeat of Memphis in '08, and the NCAA destruction of what Nike-Cal and World Wide Wes reputedly built at Memphis, Nike-Cal and World Wide Wes were apparently redeployed to Nike-UK to continue what appears a strategy for SHOEWAR domination--by now with 10 OAD/TADs on roster. In this apparent war, adidas-Self has effectively been locked out of signing of highly ranked USA big men out of high school since his 2008 ring. Withey was an unhappy transfer from Nike-UA. TRob was was apparently a raided Nike lean, who was raw as Sushi and not a top ranked 5. The Twins, though significantly ranked, were really not all that good, or tall, when recruited. Neither had respectable verticals before Hudy. Neither were true 5s. Embiid was a foreign player and a Nike-Florida lean before Norm Roberts moved from Nike-Florida to adidas-KU and appeared to bring him along.

Self, after his ring, was never able to sign his share of USA bigs even though his coached up bigs were getting drafted. This difficulty of Self getting bigs to KU has never, ever made sense. And it has been obscured by his luck coaching up lesser talents and a few sloppy seconds raided from Nike leans. Self, an acknowledged excellent recruiter, has NEVER signed a top ranked USA big man in 11 years at an elite program, nor has he signed a top ranked USA big man since his ring. What is wrong with this picture?

KU is not USA BIG MAN U under Bill Self since 2008. The question is: why not?

Why is Self locked out of top ranked USA BIG MEN? Why can Nike-Stumpy Miller sign them immediately on arrival at UA from Xavier, but Self cannot after winning 82% and 11 titles and a ring for 11 seasons at KU?

Why can Nike-Cal sign them after not knowing about infractions that imploded UMASS and Memphis?

What gives?

ISU and the Risk of More Inside Out • Jan 15, 2015 04:16 AM

@REHawk

You explain Self insightfully, as only a fellow coach could.

But the truth is that all of the inside out stuff is just what he runs till the other team starts to separate; then he pulls both posts out high, puts Kelly on the Point Guard's right wing, and lets them start micro-bursting treys till he gets separation.

He reminds me of Tom Osborne pounding the eye back off tackle behind a big bull full back every game against weak opponents all season long until he runs into a really good opponent and suddenly everything is options and passes.

I guess the reason it makes sense is because it forces other teams to prepare for both. They have to stop Bill's I-backs. If they can do that, then he goes option and pass.

Remember, Self is an Okie and the football mind set actually underlies basketball, too, in the culture he was raised in.

No Kansan would ever have told Zack Peters to play football his senior year. NEVER. EVER!

Self most definitely views basketball as a form of football.

He even uses football jargon to describe basketball plays. EJ used to be good at pitching forward. Players have to put a body on someone They have to man-up. They appear to be taught use their forearms like football players. Self recruits broad shouldered guys. Big frames he can hang muscle on. From the waste up many KU basketball players are brawny like football players.

But here is the thing that Self cannot escape; he can't beat a good big team inside out. And he appears to know it.

And the problem he faces is that his guys are not learning how to win ugly from outside. They are not getting enough reps. They are wasting too many games playing inside out. And when it comes time to face a couple of good big teams consecutively in the tournament the team is not going to be used to playing consecutive games outside in. They are not going to be in good enough outside shooting condition to score outside in two games in three days.

Outside in is like every other scheme you play. If you are going to have to play it against the best you face, then you have to make it who you are. It has to be what you live and die with.

Self is being too clever by half this time in my opinion, but then he has been before and proved me wrong.

I believe I know exactly what he is doing.

And probably so does every other coach on the planet that watches him with far more experience and insight than I possess.

Self is apparently seeing KU has the same standing height inside as all the other Big 12 teams except Texas. Self is apparently thinking the whole conference has gone short inside this season, so he can probably play inside out with most of them. And he is apparently thinking that Myles down at Texas is so skinny that he can be manhandled, and KU will play outside in that game, if necessary, and pick up at least a split against UT's height.

Self knows now, after OU got exposed, that he can win this conference with 2 losses now. All he has to do is not let Kruger fool him, then rough Myles up on Texas both games and get a split and Self has another title.

I really don't think Fred has the horses this season. He has two good trey ballers and then a bunch of muscle defenders; that's it. He has a team destined for splits in conference. One game his trey ballers will shoot 40% on 25 treys and win. One game they will shoot 32% on 25 treys and lose. This is what Self doesn't like about outside in as a daily staple. Self is going to let out all the stops in Ames, because if he can steal one there, and he probably can, then he might win this thing with only one loss.

Self is probably not even thinking about the Madness.

I was thinking about it until I looked at the standing height on 8 of the top ten teams currently. Nope. You don't make "who we are" an inside out team, if you are planning on facing those teams in March. Those teams require us to be an outside in team.

But the team Self is crafting is apparently solely being crafted to win a conference title inside out.

I suspect he doesn't believe the team has a snow ball's chance in hell in March and so he is not crafting a team that can win in March.

If he really cared about March this season, as I said, he would be playing every game outside in against every conceivable kind of team in every conceivable kind of 2 games in three day situations, so that his team would be ready to play that way in March.

But I really don't think Self believes the team is good enough inside to make a serious run in the tournament.

But again, because of how short the entire conference is inside, he knows this title streak is totally feasible to continue.

So that's "who we are" in Self's scheming this season.

This team is a conference title team--probably nothing more; one that needs, like last season's team--to be put out of its misery as soon as possible, so he can get on with recruiting enough standing height to compete with eight of the top ten teams this season. He probably suspects the 8-10 deep OAD stack is the future, not an anomaly.

Self probably knows exactly what he is doing in the realm of grand strategy.

He has just had to revise strategy and tactics lately to find something that works for the players between now and the end of conference play.

Favorite play of the season (so far)? • Jan 15, 2015 03:30 AM

@DanR

This is a wonderful play and a wonderful picture.

And the picture reveals the key reason Cliff with the awesome upper body, is not yet able to do this sort of thing with the frequency that Thomas Robinson eventually did.

Look closely and the picture tells all.

Cliff went up for a dunk just like he did in high school. He is preparing to use his superior height, hops and strength to overwhelm his opponent.

This is not how it works in D1.

In D1 even a smaller guy like Allen will go up and try to hurt you--face slap you, etc.

Recall Thomas Robinson and the Twins aerial work.

Thomas sophomore season, where he was the supplementary player to the Twins, Thomas regularly went up forearm slammed the throats of opponents at the same time that one of the Twins were airborne and trying to score. Thomas was in effect a wingman taking out anyone that tried to come close to Marcus or Kieff. Cliff has no wingman anywhere in sight in this picture. In fact, he has two Cowboys in the picture with him. That is part A of Cliff's problems. He has no one on this team that is both able and willing to be Cliff's wing man.

(Note: notice that Okafor on Duke has a seasoned Plumlee to deliver blows for him and so Okafor is doing much better than Cliff, who actually stayed even with Okafor in head to heads during their schoolboy years. Cliff would be doing better than Okafor, if they switched teams.)

Part B of Cliff's problem is Cliff himself. He has not yet learned to deliver a forearm smash while dunking; this is absolutely imperative to learn in order to play big man in D1. Cliff is pulling Allen's arm down and so taking a blow himself. D1 Big Men deliver pain, when ever they are on the way to iron. ALWAYS, They are in the pain dispensing business. Until they realize this and do it EVERY play they are just big, talented athletes trying to learn to play the game.

When Cliff actually learns how to play D1 big man, Allen will be receiving both a forearm smash to the throat in this picture and likely getting kicked in the balls too. This is how it is and how it has to be. Thomas Robinson and Marcus and Kieff never let opponents get near their faces, except when they were pivoting on the block through double teams and had to hang on with both hands. Any time they were moving to the basket they were delivering blows on the way.

Cliff in proper dunking position here would be leading with one leg and foot out contacting Allen in the abdomen and actually using him for a step ladder with a forearm smash downward as Allen lowered his arms to protect his abdomen. The forearm smash would come down either directly on soft spot on top of the skull, or more preferably across the bridge of the nose. The forearm smash is always delivered with the radius bone in the forearm to the bridge of the nose. If the player turns to protect his face then an attempt is made to bring the blow to the temple, or the neck. And with any luck the leaper actually comes down on the opponent and whip kicks with the trailing leg.

Cliff is just running around and one step jumping. It is beautiful, but it will get him hurt eventually if he does not start delivering blows as he arrives at the iron. Thomas Robinson, or Marcus Morris would have hit Allen so hard across the face or throat that he would have buckled his knees, or gone all the way down.

Cliff has to learn this before he can be effective. And one of the other KU big men has to learn to be his wing man, before the team can be effective.

A New Nickname?? • Jan 15, 2015 03:07 AM

@JayHawkFanToo

I think once Cliff can be counted on for 20-25 most nights, then we will see Self start scheming some for Perry and we will see Perry's scoring rise back up to 15 ppg with a few 20 point games. The guy went off for 30+ once. He is a natural scorer. He is just learning the hard way that natural scorers can't spend their lives doing spin moves. They've got to man up against the doubles and get hard and aggressive to survive. The Designer will learn. He is learning. But all good things take time.

A New Nickname?? • Jan 15, 2015 03:03 AM

@JayHawkFanToo said:

Perry is frequently double teamed; in fact, he is the only KU player that is regularly double teamed.

Bingo again.

And Self is not giving him any wrinkles or help to get out of the doubles.

He is trying to use the double teaming of Perry to create opps for the green wood and help them figure out how to play.

A New Nickname?? • Jan 15, 2015 03:01 AM

@bskeet said:

part of the reason for Perry's performance is that teams are keying on him more than anyone else...

Bingo!!!!!

And Self is just letting him labor, while he tries to find successes for Oubre and Cliff and Jam Tray.

Perry is basically being told he is the daddy and he has to bring home the bacon without any one helping.

The rest of the family gets all the child rearing attention of Mother Self at least through January.

ISU and the Risk of More Inside Out • Jan 15, 2015 02:56 AM

@marshhawk

Thx. I keep swinging for the fences and its good to hear I got some good comic wood on the ball. :-)

Where Have All the Lurkers Gone? • Jan 14, 2015 10:32 PM

@wrwlumpy

A beautiful ugliness.

ISU and the Risk of More Inside Out • Jan 14, 2015 09:21 PM

I just looked at ISU's roster and it looks like we are destined for another bout of inside out, unless, unless, unless ISU is cold.

But ISU has two solid trey ballers and if they are taking the Fred-preferred 25 treys/game and hitting their usual percentage, Self is going to face another nerve wracking decision.

Will he play nostalgic inside out, let his short bigs keep trying to get the hang of B2B ball, and enjoy himself, but maybe take an L?

Or will Bill turn his band of wannabe inside outers into a craven bunch of iron pyriters shooting....drum roll please....throat gulp please...25 treys!!!!!!!!

OMG! Fred could push Bill completely out of his comfort zone.

What the hell! What if Fred were to tell his guys to hoist 30 treys!!!!!!!

KU better keep an oxygen bottle and a pair of paddles on the bench for Bill.

He could infarct at 25 or above!!!!!

This game vs. ISU could become labelled the Bramlage Bildungsroman!

This could be a right of passage about trey balling not just for Bill, but for all of us.

Fred has to want to beat Bill very badly in Ames.

Fred has to hang a W, or die trying, at a home game against a potential title team like KU, if Fred wants his team to have a prayer of getting a title.

Fred has pulled a lot of shennanigans on Bill in their previous meetings. He has played four and even five out offenses at different times. He has shot nearly unfathomable to Bill numbers of treys.

But because Bill has always had what this season seems in retrospect to have been epic standing height, Bill has never had to really walk over the event horizon and into the black hole of three balling that Fred has tempted him with in the past.

But this year?

Bill has the same standing height inside as Fred.

And Fred has some tall trey gunners that Bill cannot be absolutely certain his perimeter defenders can lock down.

This time....gulp...Bill may have to play it the way Fred wants.

This time...gulp...Bill may have to wave good bye to the land of inside out and the land of less than 25 trey attempts per game, and say hello to the 3 point event horizon.

The three point event horizon is where you have to go, when they are shooting treys well.

The three point event horizon is equal to the same number of treys they take.

And like all theorized event horizons, to even approach it is to fall into the black hole.

And the black hole of treys is not something you can just climb back out of. Once you fall in you have to go flying like Keir Dullea in 2001: A Space Odyssey through what you hope amounts to a time inverting, space imploding, worm hole that releases you into another part of the basketball universe if you are lucky.

Weird things would be normal there.

Perry Ellis might be an aggressive maniac taking 20 treys himself.

Brannen Greene might cease to have any wild hairs and instead quote Goethe as his shots swish upwards through the rim and net instead of downwards.

Frank Mason 3.0 might be Frank Mason .3333 and he might make only the other half of 50% looking like a negative exposure of himself.

Wayne might be able to dunk.

Jamari Traylor might actually have a deadly jump shot from 30 feet out though he might only be an infant in swaddling cloth.

Kelly Oubre's hair might be a short flat top and he might have no tats.

Bill Self could become a fetus twirling in space with a pull back shot of KU winning another title.

Anything is possible.

Narrative breaks down.

The theme to 2001 plays backwards.

Where Have All the Long Men Gone? • Jan 14, 2015 08:53 PM

I scanned the Top 20. Here is where they are.

UK: 7-0, 7-0, 6-11, 6-10, 6-9, 6-9.

Duke: 7-0, 6-11, 6-9, and 6-9.

UA: 7-0, 7-0, 6-10, 6-9, 6-9, 6-9.

UVa: 6-11, 6-10, 6-8, 6-8, 6-8, 6-8, 6-8. (I know, 6-8 is not really long, but they have so many to go along with two truly long guys)

Gonzaga: 7-1, 7-1, 6-10, 6-10, 6-8.

Louisville: 7-0, 7-0, 6-10, 6-10, 6-8

Texas: 6-11, 6-10, 6-9, 6-9, 6-9, 6-9.

We need to get back in the hunt for some length.

P.S.: The only other team in the Top Ten as small as KU is Villanova.

@drgnslayr

Now slayr, your playground side is coming out, and you know we live in the post play ground era. :-)

And, yes, I know exactly what you mean. Rock Chalk!

Where Have All the Lurkers Gone? • Jan 14, 2015 08:05 PM

@HawkInMizery

UVa under Tony is an emerging power.

Where Have All the Lurkers Gone? • Jan 14, 2015 08:03 PM

@Kip_McSmithers

I have a lot to say about what is being done to France right now, but that is a largely political and economic discussion and most of the board members get on me, or anyone else when we veer off that direction. Suffice it to say that what appears to be going on there is not at all what it is being reported as, IMHO, so far anyway. Having said that, I will have to pass on expanding further on it, unless the community decides it wants to explore this crucially important situation that is IMHO of vital importance to all free, sovereign, representative countries and their free citizens everywhere. Rock Chalk.

@joeloveshawks

Neural nets not grown in.

Still unlearning aggressive territorial habits from childhood.

Keep close tabs in a hotly contested game against an agent provocateur like Travis Ford.

@benshawks08

The high minutes were a direct result of the importance to Self of winning a home game. It was a must win. Lose that game and the chance for another title would have been hugely jeopardized. The formula for winning the conference is win at home at any cost, and try to steal road wins when and where you can grab a little edge. Any time we are pushed at home, you are going to see the starters minutes on this team spike, if their performance level that night will permit it. In a close game, you raise your chances of winning the most by playing your best players the most. Mason is currently our best player and he had to play the most he possibly could to ensure that ten point separation survived. Self did NOT want a close game against a team with a guy like Forte. This time I totally agreed with Coach Self's decision to play players huge minutes. The next game is not till the week end and its a Saturday Monday situation, so we'll lengthen our bench then.

Where Have All the Lurkers Gone? • Jan 14, 2015 03:42 PM

@drgnslayr

Yes. He has a lot on the ball. I think he gave a lot to the idea of a central repository for The Legacy and found that splitting off for anonymous posting was not a valid reason for weakening the information legacy that had been built there. I never blamed him. Part of me agreed. I did not want to leave. But I strongly believed in the principle of anonymous posting to achieve the kind of information legacy I believed KU Basketball needed. Freedom of choice often produces these kinds of unfortunate subdivisions. Many Americans moved to Canada because they thought the revolution did more harm to the legacy of Americans than good. I have never blamed them. They did the right thing for them. And in the end we have all learned to be on the same team anyway. My only concern for OakvilleJHawk is that his health is okay and that he is happy with whatever he is doing. I know he dearly loved his wife and I suspect he has just committed more time to her and less to board ratting. What ever, he was a top notch human being that it was a privilege to have spent some time with. Rock Chalk!

Where Have All the Lurkers Gone? • Jan 14, 2015 03:28 PM

@drgnslayr

Thanks for relating that. The more @JayhawkRock78 knows about them, the better he will get along with them. All people are really quite like the French. They just want others to make a good faith effort to get to know them on a human/cultural level and they will then meet you more than half way.

A New Nickname?? • Jan 14, 2015 03:03 PM

@icthawkfan316

Agree, Perry is struggling but he keeps finding ways to contribute, and, as I wrote a week ago, Self is letting him struggle while Self helps others. Perry is sort of in a toughening box Self has built for him on the floor!

And Perry is self correcting more and more. Self had to pull him early, but that is the first time in awhile. Mostly Perry avoids his approaches to the event horizon on his own now.

And folks including me need your reminder the 8-9 Reebs in a low possession game is a good night's work!

Perry just has the odd habit of cluster copulating early which sticks in folks minds.

We must remember this is a young man who once hung 32 or something in a D1 game.

Notice Self is denying him his basic spin move to force him to develop.

The next game or three I expect Self to scheme some for Perry and Perry will look good again.

Being the guy is lonely while you are learning to deliver without help.

A New Nickname?? • Jan 14, 2015 02:49 PM

@wrwlumpy

Fabulous pic!!!!

Where Have All the Lurkers Gone? • Jan 14, 2015 06:04 AM

@JayhawkRock78

You know, I had a couple early experiences struggling to relate to German professionals. They are polite, well educated, and clear and firm in my anecdotal experiences. But I could not connect and work closely with them. But what I learned was that I didn't get any overlap of their culture and ours. What I am about to mention seems superficial but I believe it is not. I finally found one overlap that has helped me bridge the gap and then relate. They love the old American westerns set in the desert southwest. They love the Monument Valley and red rock country of Canyon Lands National Monument for two examples. They like the old ghost towns and mining towns. Those are things they don't have in Germany. Germany is rugged. It is deeply imbued with wooded and mountainous nature, so nature is a big deal to them, but they lack a vast arid region. Once I knew they liked that it helped me relate to them, whether or not I made small talk about the American west. But then I learned something deeper about why they like the American southwest. Back in the 1880s, after John Wesley Powell lead the first expedition down the Colorado River through the Grand Canyon, there were another expedition or two that included an noted German scientist of the time who wrote extensively and excitingly of his scientific and naturalist adventures in the Arizona and the four corners area. I forget his name now, but his writings were widely read and respected in Germany and this gave Germany a strong attraction to the American desert southwest. Further I came to learn that Germany has a number of times in the last two centuries had designs on making an ally of Mexico, or even conquering it. Both WWI and WWII saw Germany make strong appeals to Mexico to try to pry Mexico away from its alliance with USA. In part Germany lusted after the possible interocean canal at Tehuantepec. And before WWII, back in 1861-67 the great powers of Europe allied and invaded Mexico to recover some debts, get control of some precious metal mines, and may be get control of the Tehuantepec canal right of way. A Habsburg Austrian prince was installed as king of Mexico at the time. Germans and Austrians are close to some extent or other. What I found was that knowing this history of Germany's interests in USA and Mexico helped me see North America from their eyes and less so through the prism of two World Wars. It also helps to know that the Pennsylvania Dutch are just Germans that settled in America and that that community has maintained a long communication with Germany. Further, Franz List left Germany and came to America immediately after our revolution and then befriended and advised both Alexander Hamilton and Andrew Jackson. He became fascinated with an idea that American was one central strategic point capable of controlling he western hemisphere and that Germany could one day Federalize as USA had federalized, and come to control the Eurasian centerpoint the same way that America would--with railroads and fleets and an interocean canal (through Suez in Eurasia and through central America in the Western hemisphere. List left America during the Jackson presidency and went apparently with Jackson's blessing and began proselytizing for Germany to federalize and create a center point strategy in Eurasia that would be a countervailing force to the Crown of Great Britain. And also there was the old Roosevelt connection with the Dutch and via the Dutch with the Germans. Remember New York was New Amsterdam first. And the Germans have always had a presence there. And the Dutch and Germans were very big on sending their children to the University of Heidelberg early on. So there is a deep connection there before the horrible holocaust events of WWII so polluted our relationship.vv .

When you begin to understand how Germans historical legacy makes them view USA and North America then it becomes much easier to relate to them, IMHO.

Just some food for thought.

@RockkChalkk

Very much agree. I would only add that I believe the light has gone on for Bill at least since the Temple game. Every game recently where it was obvious we couldn't win it inside, he has very quickly moved to outside in, as some of us are calling shooting treys first to loosen it up inside second.

But whenever he finds a team that is short enough to play inside out, and hold down the number of treys to <15, he plays inside out. Part of it is that he keeps trying to give his short bigs chances against guys their size to learn to play basic back to the basket post basketball. I suspect he keeps trying because he is hoping to find a game where the light goes on for one or two of the short bigs. It would help their self respect and confidence a lot of there was at least someone they could score inside on sometimes; that I suspect is what he believes.

And then @HighEliteMajor and I have been somewhat irreverently, and playfully, but with some seriousness too been explaining Self's fitful migration from inside out to outside in in terms of psychodynamics. @HighEliteMajor tends to see Bill as some one who can be rather stubborn and inflexible about change. I seem to view Self slightly differently. Where as HEM sees Self as desperately trying to make his team able to play the old inside out game, so he does not have to change, I see him as conceding he has to change, but simply preferring the old way for subjective, stylistic reasons. Bill gets nostalgic for the way he loves to see the game played, and so when he gets a chance to play the old way, well, he does it because he can.

I am kind of playful and I suspect HEM is a bit practical by nature than me, and so I if I had to bet I would say his interpretation may be close to the probability of what gives with Self. But my rather more playful take on Self is still a possibility.

I think what you add substantially to this discourse about Self's adapting to three point shooting is the idea that things like the way the games are called feeds into his tendency to go back to the old ways, or to carry on with the new ways and new experiments. I think that makes a lot of sense and I will be watching for it.

Rock Chalk and welcome back aboard, if you haven't been visiting us much lately.

ok guys , lets try and keep it real • Jan 14, 2015 05:15 AM

@JayHawkFanToo

Yeah, totally agree. Very raw deal for Cliff. But he keeps feeling his way along. Cobbins had the level of experience and talent that was going to bring out his fouling. But Cliff keeps making us better when he is in, and he keeps getting a little better each game, whether his minutes always say so, or not.