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@HighEliteMajor said:

Ellis could shoot 1-8 from half court. And we'd get one more point out of the deal, to boot.

This is the essence of it. And he might have gotten fouled one of those half court shots and gotten three free throws on top of the 3 point make of one shot.

The percentages are with the three point shot almost every possession with this team, because of how limited they are inside, unless they just get a wide open lob, or a wide open lane drive, and even then its only 2 points, not 3. So even the wide open looks should not be taken until the three point shooting has created some separation.

One more thing: did you notice that in the second half when things got dicey, he did have the bigs start playing face to basket even when he was making them go down low. I am pretty sure he was experimenting to see if his guys maaaaaaaaybe could score inside if they faced the basket.

Ah, but we are 14-2 and in first place and all of us are having a whale of a lot of fun with this season, so let us eat, drink and be merry, for some day we lose...

Where Have All the Lurkers Gone? • Jan 14, 2015 04:54 AM

@JayHawkFanToo

Danke Shoen.

ok guys , lets try and keep it real • Jan 14, 2015 04:52 AM

@JayHawkFanToo

So very true. What a player he was.

@HighEliteMajor said:

I wish, I wish, I wish we could score inside. Are we scoring inside yet? I'll wish some more.

Actually doubled over in my fake aeron laughing so hard I cannot see through the tears.

@HighEliteMajor said:

This is getting monotonous, but Ellis was 1-8 from the field.

Laughing so hard I am crying. :-)

@HighEliteMajor

So glad you weighed in. I was worried you were in a cardiac care unit. See my post above that was being written apparently as you were posting yours. And yes I do believe you are right to interpret it yet again as "more death of inside out."

:-)

@VailHawk

This was a "roots" game if ever there were one.

It is my belief that @HighEliteMajor is in an emergency room, or in some cardiac care facility at this very moment, recovering from Self's return to inside out, which HEM sensibly predicted was finally on the ash heap of this season's history, and which I concurred with him on.

But never, never, never, never, never, never, EVER count inside out dead when there are teams remaining on the schedule as short as we are, or shorter.

Bill has coached a lot of years and he "likes" inside out, just as he "dislikes" zone.

Whenever he can see an opportunity to play inside out and still win, he will do it just because he likes it.

Same with zone. Whenever he can win a game without playing zone, he will, because he "likes" M2M and "dislikes" zone. It is a very subjective aesthetic preference. It is like preferring Ermengildo Zegna suits over Ermengildo Zegna casual wear for a function where either would be permissible.

The moment I looked at OSU's roster, I suspected that Bill would stop the team from raining treys, but I confess I did expected him to continue to use the mobile big man attack platform (face to basket offense by KU bigs). I thought the MBMAP was aesthetically preferable to him. But I was wrong.

Bill likes his bigs to play B2B and his perimeter players to only take kickout treys and less than 15 in a low possession game.

He thinks it looks very smart,, like one of his business suits he wears to games.

He thinks it looks smart especially in grinder games.

Why he thinks this is rooted in a deeply subjective sense of aesthetics, nothing more.

Bill knows they wouldn't have a prayer playing inside out against a really good team with normal size for a D1 big. He has admitted it in his own indirect way.

So what we watched was another nostalgia game. It was one those games that Bill knows he has the talent and size to win playing it the old way--the inside out way.

And so he does it because he can, and because he thinks it looks smart, like his suits.

The only problem with this indulgence is that it offers the team fewer reps playing the way they will have to play against good teams--outside in.

I am a hand wringer by nature and so I worry about such things, but Bill clearly believes that you really don't have to practice outside in much to be good at doing it.

@cragarhawk

I love your Jefferson quote!

@drgnslayr

I learned long ago not to quarrel about statistics, but I do want to take one more pass at what prediction and bet balancing are about, as far as I have been able to learn.

Accuracy of estimation in stochastic realm is all about canceling prediction biases and limiting variance to random error.

There is perhaps no better way to cancel biases than by bet balancing at high volumes of betting. It is a marvelously effective technique.

The larger the number the better the cancelling of biases.

And the "vig" doesn't bias the outcome of the bet balancing at all. In fact, the vig is irrelevant to the final betting line. In effect the vig comes half out of the range above the betting line and half out of the range below the betting line.

I am not sure where this urban legend of bet balancing being nothing more than a meaningless indicator of what bettor's think got started. It is not that anyone of the betters know diddly squat. It is that all together cancel out each other's biases.

I know for a time that I learned this urban legend and assumed it was true for a time. But because I was trained some in stats I thought finally that there was something wrong with that logic and I worked through it and logically it is just an urban legend.

For the same reason that a Vegas line is a very effective way of predicting the outcome of games because of using high Ns of betting to balance, Ken Pomerory suggests using all the different estimation models, not just his, or Sagarin's, or someone else's, to make predictions. The more estimation models you use, if they are all based on the same data and varied, but sound algorithms, the more likely it is that the biases of their algorithms will cancel out and you will end up with a closer approximation of the actual outcome.

But when it comes to stats, again, I never argue. Just sharing some food for thought.

@Crimsonorblue22

Oops, he got 4 points and 2 offensive reebs and ZERO defensive reebs! Do you have any idea how hard it is for a starting center to get zero defensive rebounds when an opposing team shoots 31%? (16 of 51 FGAs). Mari actually had to be holding his hands at his sides and running away from rebounds not to grab at least one random carom out of 35 possible caroms.

But you are absolutely right. He got two offensive boards.

But I forgot to mention his four PFs.

It just was not a stellar game for Mari, but then it was not a stellar game for any of our guys.

What they did is what they do best: win ugly against short teams.

@Crimsonorblue22

I will be gentle.

You are in love with Mari and I am right. :-)

Where Have All the Lurkers Gone? • Jan 14, 2015 03:21 AM

@mdm7eb

Never have understood why they call it UVA? University of Virginia Agricultural? :-)

Let me say it feels good to get my prediction mojo back for a second straight game. It feels especially good this game because Vegas was +7 1/2 and KENPOM was closer still.

But I picked Oubre to be the Hawk to Rock and though he scored 14 and glassvacced 6, I predicted 20-30 tonight. NOT!

Mason dominated this one with 16 points the hard way--shooting poorly inside and outside but going 9-11 at the charity stripe--and incredibly getting NINE REBOUNDS!!!! Mason is ridiculously good at rebounding for a short point guard.

Looking at the box score one sees pretty much what one saw looking at the game--two teams that muddied it up because neither could shoot worth a darned, two teams that stripped and blocked about the same, and one team--KU--that baked more poptarts (KU +4 TOs) but wiped their butts on the glass (KU +17 overall and +6 on the offensive glass).

Perry played his increasingly usual bad game redeemed some by hustle and some by defense and some by rebounding.

Selden played his increasingly usual uninspired game but for a defensive play or two on a transition. His line score was anemic and yet he was good glue and good defense. He plays increasingly like Brady Morningstar with the ability to get up for a block or two that Brady would not make. He even shoots 1-2 from trey Brady used to shoot. I liked Brady a lot. I like Wayne a lot. Wayne just passes the eye test and so we expect more from him. But I said screw the eye tests with Brady, so I say screw the eye tests with Wayne. Without his hops, he has turned into a solid glue man and this team needs every base covered it can.

Traylor started and never got into his face to the basket mobile big man attack platform game. His line score was pitiful: 0 rebounds, 0 blocks, and 0 steals from our energy man.

The bench saw solid play from Graham guarding Forte well, assisting well, and making timely baskets and FTs.

The BRD, Cliff Alexander, was productive in low minutes, but 3 PFs ensured this would not be a break out game.

Landen Lucas saw a lot of minutes the second half and didn't do much, but he did grab four boards, guard the post well and did not turn it over. He did no harm.

Bottom line KU played bad, OSU played worse, KU is 14-2, and ready to sneak off with an early conference lead.

After being my most pessimistic ever about a Self team, my prediction is: KU wins the conference with two losses. Tying with three losses is another possibility, but I am sticking with two losses.

I have no good reason.

Just a hunch.

ok guys , lets try and keep it real • Jan 14, 2015 12:00 AM

@KUSTEVE

Get your bottom over to JNew's live blog. We need you. CJonline.com. Just get to the page, click on the comment window. It asks for you to give a name. Use KUSTEVE, or whatever you wish. and amp it up as only you can.

@JayHawkFanToo

The statistics explanation of how bet balancing works, at least assuming it is NOT corruptly engineered with managed hype and a lot of narco and intel money laundering distorting it massively, is that over large numbers of bets the error factors of each bet by each bettor cancel out to a probabilistic estimation of the most likely actual spread, especially if the betting process is biased with the initial line setting based on sophisticated initial prediction. Essentially betting becomes a huge series of tiny interactions around the initial line. So, statistically speaking, bet balancing is just another technique of predicting a probable outcome. The logic that bet balancing is not about the estimating the final outcome contradicts the reality of what all of the betters are in fact trying to do. They are each betting with their biases on what the actual outcome will be. The beauty of bet balancing is that it is continually interacting and canceling out the error factor of each individual bet and bettor. So the probability is that the Vegas line, with an enormous betting volume, is actually going to tend to be more accurate than any single estimation system, especially if it were to start with, say, KENPOM. Or at least that is how I have had it explained to me by a couple of folks that I would tend to think know quite a bit about this sort of thing. :-)

ok guys , lets try and keep it real • Jan 13, 2015 11:20 PM

@KUSTEVE

You deserve a big hand for standing strong despite all the doubting. The team is 13-2 and likely to be 14-2 after tonight.

I have picked most of the games right, but I have strongly believed KU would have 8-10 losses this season.

But I think you are right and many of the rest of us are wrong.

My migration has been from Self will find a way to play inside out, to the team lacks the pieces to play inside out, to thinking outside in was the way to play but that Self would not do it, to thinking he would play outside in, to thinking that he was adding the mobile big man attack platform concept to it and I wanted to wait and see how it worked, to thinking it worked, to thinking he has a dog that will hunt and lose 2 games.

From the moment I saw Self run so many different formations, and actions against UNLV, I felt the team could win the conference.

Once I saw the mobile big man attack platform that I had suggested turn out to be something he had already been working on, I was pretty sure they would win the conference.

Once I saw Self return to Perry shooting the triballs against TTech, after having him NOT do it much against Baylor, then I was positive KU would win the conference and it was only a matter of how many losses they would have.

(Note: I don't think Perry will bomb the treyball every game, but I do believe every time they've got some long bigs inside, or they play a PACK or a BALL LINE defense that gives us the trey, we will see Perry shooting 4-6 treys per game, and that should be about 2/3 of the rest of our games.)

I actually think this OSU game is going to be a tough game for us for awhile. There dwarf perimeter is going to force Self into playing Mason, Graham and Selden most of the game. I could see all of them going 30mpg. I just don't think Greene and Svi will matchup well on defense with them at all, unless Self surprises us and goes with a 3-2 zone, or a 1-3-1 zone, and goes long on the perimeter, which would be the best way for us to beat them. But he probably won't do it. Wish he would though.

Cobbins and Nash will be very challenging for our guys. They are short like our guys, and about as good as our big guys, plus way more experienced, and so probably better overall.

So: it really comes down to can Self find some guys to guard the OSU dwarf perimeter on one end and come down and exploit our size advantage on the other end.

I believe Self will. But Travis Ford is going to rough our guys up tonight in our crib. I think we will see real aggression. And the game could get very wooly the first half. And OSU could easily squirt out into a 5-10 point lead if they are hot from trey.

But I think Self will give the team enough wrinkles to get this W. Since the next game is Saturday, Self will not be resting starters. If he needs them for 40 minutes they will play 40. Same for Travis Ford.

Both coaches need the W badly. OSU needs to steal a road win. KU has to get the home W. This will be tournament intensity in January. Very, very serious business and both coaches will throw anything and everything at the other team they think might give them the edge.

And there just is not love lost between Travis and Self.

Going to be a helluva a fun game.

Long and short?

KU by 10, because I don't think OSU has an answer for Kelly Oubre whenever he's out there. I could see Oubre hanging 25-30 if he were hot, or sitting very early because he can't guard their dwarf lineup.

And I will join you and predict KU wins the B-12 with two losses.

Did I just say that?

Holy shizz, I have been drinking the same kool aide you have.

@JayHawkFanToo

My suggestion is: the one that is closest to correct would be the one that averages the best forecasts of final game scores, predicted conference finishes, and final ranking in the NCAA tournament.

I suppose it wouldn't be to hard for a quant with a budget to input that data for all the different services for the last 5 years and come to a conclusion.

Haase signs extension • Jan 13, 2015 09:21 PM

@JayhawkRock78

Thanks for sharing that one! Whew!

All bureaucracies--large and small--are routinized and so very vulnerable to emergent complexity.

All large organizations in private and public sectors are ever more bureaucratic and unwieldy.

Transparency is the only way to know what a bureaucracy is doing.

Thus secrecy is the enemy of us all in a free society full of bureaucracy and national security compartmentalization and opacity.

Secrecy breeds unaccountability.

Unaccountability encourages abuse of power to concentrate power.

Concentrated power leads to cost shifting onto all but the top of the bureaucracy.

Cost shifting destroys the will of the lower 80 percent of the bureaucracy to find solutions at the levels they need to be found at.

Ricardo's top 20% begin to make all decisions and actions based on the assumption that bottom 80% cannot execute effectively.

The bureaucracy ceases to serve its function and instead becomes an organization seeking only to perpetuate the top 20%.

The top 20 percent see diminshing returns in cannabalizing the bottom 80 percent and instead begin to divide and conquer the top 20% and cannabalize it.

This process continues until half of one percent is left being perpetuated and the organization is really just a giant hulk dead in the water going out of business, or through serial bankruptcies and bailouts, only dying when the government that subsidizes it finally collapses itself.

Glad you are out of it.

@Jesse-Newell

At this point of the season, does it take several games to significantly change a team's stats and standings in KENPOM? I always wondered how many games into a season that things start taking several games to change. I guess I am asking about how many games before the stats and rankings get fairly stable.

And, hey, I am psyched up for the OSU-KU Live Blog!

Hope you and Blake and KHas will all be sitting in.

Haase signs extension • Jan 13, 2015 08:19 PM

@Kip_McSmithers

Always remember, Shakespeare's recurring theme was appearance vs. reality and his recurring setting of 2/3s of his work--in histories and tragedies--featured the corruption, intrigue, conspiracy and murder amidst the court and aristocracy. He understood something was rotten in Denmark and in his own kingdom too. His life spanned the late high Renaissance, the disillusioning mannerist period and then the top down coercion of the very early baroque period of the Renaissance and was describing a Renaissance beginning to be understood as hopelessly corrupt and spiraling downward out of control due to corruption at the top. It was his horrific message wrapped beautifully in language and skillfully in dramatic construction for posterity. He knew what he was talking about. It was also the rapacious age of Discovery. We recall him now so frequently because we have been moving through another Renaissance the last two centuries.

And what he said of his resonates in ours.

Where Have All the Lurkers Gone? • Jan 13, 2015 05:01 PM

@JayHawkFanToo

I love it.

15,600 virtual lurkers!!! I didn't know we were up to that level. I remember suggesting to @approxinfinity to let them keep accruing, because eventually they would spike our presence on the web, but I wasn't absolutely sure it would continue. Amazing.

Is it any wonder our marketing and intelligence organizations cannot very reliably process the market research data and sigint they receive by flooding the online world with virtual identities and crawlers?

Imagine the lopsided, distorted data topologies that must result from releasing 15,600 virtual users into a site with 40 board rats!!!!!

Ah, I love the irony.

Someone is going to be able to make a hilariously satirical British spy novel/then movie/then serial watched TV/then graphic novelizations/then Xbox game about a site with three lonely Isle of Wight members writing about some arcane subject like crumpet mosaic making being mistaken for a terrorist site. Their site is flooded with 15,000 virtual US intel lurkers, then China, Russia, India, Israel, Germany, France, and Japan, begin flooding the site with millions of virtual lurkers, then all the Arab jihad world floods the site with virtual lurkers, then American conservatives get so nervous that they force the selection of a new US president with electronic voting machines with no paper trails, and stage a false flag event by North Korea in Bedford Falls, PA, killing the descendants of George Bailey, and blame it on this crumpet mosaic web site on Isle of Wight and simultaneously the US launches pre-emptive war against North Korea and the Isle of Wight. A sign version of Jean Baudrillard begins transmitting from The Void that "Bedford Falls actually did happen and that Crumpet Mosaics are signs of the end of the end of meaning!" Ferdinand de Sassure of course disgrees, and Roland Barthes insists that, well, its all become about anti-mythologies, so who cares.

And you know in this insane digital world we live in, in which the state feels so paranoiacally threatened by the world wide web, this will of course eventually play out somewhere, somehow sometime.

What was it someone said of Brit equivalent of Comedy Central's Jon Stewart: the most trusted name in fake news.

Howling!

Where Have All the Lurkers Gone? • Jan 13, 2015 04:29 PM

@Jesse-Newell

LOL!

@wrwlumpy

I don't usually like models, but Fifi has a serious chassis.

Let Us Now Name Coaching Chairs... • Jan 13, 2015 03:28 PM

@Lulufulu

I want to write something distinguished with Naismith in the title, but since comedy requires poking fun at one's self as well as others...

KU: John D. and Lydia K. Rockmellon Provincial Rail Pinch Point and Resource Colony for the Crown of Great Britain Basketball Coach. :-)

Haase signs extension • Jan 13, 2015 10:30 AM

Does this mean Haase cannot comment publicly that the chancellor is raping another employee, or embezzling, or firing someone for practicing a religion, etc.?

Does Haase no longer have the right to publicly criticize the Chancellor for running sham classes for certain students?

There ought to be a law against this sort of thing in a free country. Are we a free country?

Where Have All the Lurkers Gone? • Jan 13, 2015 03:46 AM

@Shanghai_RCJH

Is a Shocker Lurker a Shirker?

Let Us Now Name Coaching Chairs... • Jan 12, 2015 11:08 PM

KSU: The Virgil and Cloris Debtmeier Hog Reproduction Testing Basketball Coach.

OSU: The T.Boone Pickens I Can't Even Buy a Good Basketball Coach Basketball Coach .

OU: The Lyle and Beatrix Dribbledong Clouded Red River Land Title Head Basketball Coach.

UT: The Bobby Bob and Belinda Bigwaggon Bush Base Basketball Coach

TTech: The Sam and Jezebel Piecehaighter Defense Contracting Basketball Coach.

TCU: The Jim and Tammy Praywell Kevlar Cathedral Basketball Coach.

ISU: The Paul and Eileen Snouteater Meaningless Iowa Caucaus Basketball Coach.

WVU: The Jerry and Mary Lieu West Virginia Was Stolen from Virginia for Its Oil, Coal and Saltpeter in the Civil War Basketball Coach.

(Note: All fiction. No malice.)

Where Have All the Lurkers Gone? • Jan 12, 2015 08:33 PM

@wrwlumpy

Howling!

OKLAHOMA STATE COWBOYS • Jan 12, 2015 08:32 PM

@wrwlumpy

I don't think so. But I wouldn't go to Stillwater for awhile. :-)

OKLAHOMA STATE COWBOYS • Jan 12, 2015 08:31 PM

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For John McLendon, whom KU Basketball owes an apology for not having done MORE for, and who should consider it a great privilege and honor to have contributed at all to enabling his great contribution to the game of basketball. He developed the modern running game, he won three NAIA championships at Tennessee State, coached in the ABA, and influenced Larry Brown greatly. And when his run was over, he came back and accepted us despite our flaws.

OKLAHOMA STATE COWBOYS • Jan 12, 2015 07:41 PM

@wrwlumpy

How is the Byron Houston collage coming along?

Where Have All the Lurkers Gone? • Jan 12, 2015 07:40 PM

I don't frequent other boards these days, but where have all the lurkers gone?

On a board long, long ago in a packet storm far, far away, there were many lurkers from many other schools, most memorable of them being UK and Memphis lurkers.

Where have they gone?

We don't get any visits here that I know of?

Does anyone know where all the lurkers have gone?

Has lurking gone out of style?

Or have they taken on forms that are more subtle?

I miss them.

NOT.

Rock Chalk!

OKLAHOMA STATE COWBOYS • Jan 12, 2015 07:22 PM

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OKLAHOMA STATE COWBOYS • Jan 12, 2015 06:18 PM

@wrwlumpy

How about a collage of Byron Houston?

Also, how about a collage of Anita and Clarence?

Just a thought.

OKLAHOMA STATE COWBOYS • Jan 12, 2015 06:11 PM

@wrwlumpy

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Ed Roberts--the inventor of the personal computer.

@Crimsonorblue22

Sorry about that, but this situation seemed unusual.

If Tarik Black faced "distractions" that I did not know about when I wrote the post, then I wanted to alter anything that I wrote that might stir up those distractions, however large, or small they may have been. I did not want to contribute to stirring them up again.

So: I deleted my post and rewrote it as it now is.

I thought it was better to do that and let some other posts seem disconnected and out of context, rather than risk stirring up "distractions." I figured others could delete, or alter theirs if they wished.

Texas Tech Win: The Death Of Feed The Post • Jan 12, 2015 04:41 PM

@HighEliteMajor

Agree with you down the line about how Self appears to be dealing with all of this.

But I want to put this in a bit of a glass half full context.

History records endlessly that there is nothing more difficult than escaping the prison of past success. Almost every war ever fought is the same plot: start the war fighting the last war and, if you are lucky enough to survive the catastrophes of doing so, then adapt most fittingly to new weaponry and context and get some luck and win. With few exception, so few I cannot recall any right now, this is the recurring plot of human warfare.

Formulas for success seem to be even more addictive than heroin, or nicotine.

So where is the half full glass?

Self seems to know the above about success being a prison is true. He seems to be trying to escape. Many attempts at prison escapes run into obstacles. It is not a simple clean process...this business of prison escape.

All prison escapes by definition requires that we escape the comfort zone of our cell. It is exhilarating to get out of the cell but as soon as we are out we realize we are in uncharted space and that space is kind of perilous because while we are out side the cell, we are not yet outside the prison. That takes some more work. And there are times when it may make sense to run back into the cell briefly while the spotlight passes our direction, before we resume our escape.

Self endlessly takes his players outside their comfort zones to get them to adapt and get better. Some times they cannot do it, or are slow to adapt, but I would say 90% of the time Self's players get better in increments small or large that in the end make them sharply better than when they came to KU, not just better at what they came good at, but transformed into more complete basketball players. This transformation is really at the heart of Self's astronomical success of winning 82-84% of his games at KU depending on which season you tally from. Other coaches get to 76%, or so, because their players only get better at what they were already good at. Self's relentless pressuring of his players to become more complete players in the end gets more out of what he has that most other coaches can consistently accomplish. Self takes less talent than Cal, K, or Roy, for three examples, but pushes it farther over the course of a season, or over the course of a career, to become more complete players, and so, more able to find more ways to win more games.

So: what has this to do with Self and a half full glass?

Self has forced himself entirely outside his own comfort zone the last two seasons.

By forcing himself out of his own comfort zone, he often gets in over his head and looks bad, just the same as his players do when he is forcing them outside their comfort zones.

Self takes a couple steps forward, and backslides, just like his players do, when they are operating in this very painful, very unfamiliar realm beyond what they already know.

What you and I have noticed about Self appears to accurate.

He IS ambivalent about not going inside out for the short trey and the open look kick out, just as his players ARE ambivalent about playing out of position.

He really DOES think three point shooting IS fools gold in tough games; that is the prison of his experience talking.

BUT...he really HAS reschemed at the beginning of the season, and then he really HAS junked everything and reschemed in an almost unscripted sequence of improvisations of late in which the team REALLY IS playing in unprecedented varieties of ways including both old and new stuff.

He really HAS put himself way out there beyond his comfort zone.

My old age makes me appreciate how difficult it is to push outside the comfort zone, when you have done something that worked enough that you don't have to push outside it again.

Self could easily walk away from all of this and be venerated as one of those all time greats that walked away at the top of his game. Everyone would ask him every year if he would come back out of retirement and lead KU to greatness again. He could be KU's Joe DiMaggio, who retired at his peak and was thereafter greater in memory than he ever was in real life.

Instead, Self has committed to continuing in the arena. Continuing to try to adapt to change. Continuing to try to engage in the thrill competition at the highest level in his profession. Continuing to try to help a small number of kids escape poverty every season. Continuing to try to use his celebrity to channel donations into various kinds of cause he believes in.

I often recall John Wooden in my posts. I do not do it because the past was better than the present. I do it because the past holds certain lessons that apply timelessly. I do it because Wooden once upon a time exemplified much that could be done, and much that was and remains inevitable in a coach's, or person's progression through life.

Wooden at 50 had never recruited, and never believed in recruiting. He had resisted recruiting, while all the other leading programs had long since made recruiting a basic part of their way of competing.

Wooden at 50 believed even more staunchly than Bill Self in half court man to man and no zone.

Wooden at 50 believed in the running game that Ward Lambert had taught him at Purdue 30 years before.

Wooden at 50 had won his way. He had always finished second with hardly any talent and everyone that knew west coast basketball knew that if he ever had talent even close to as good as Newell at Cal that he would mop up.

Wooden at 50 had integrated the game before anyone else in his first job at Indiana State in 1947. He coached at UCLA where he was allowed to play whatever color players that came to him and asked to be on his team.

Wooden at 50 was not financially independent, as Self is, but he was doing okay, and was quite satisfied with what he had accomplished, yet had a burning desire to beat those that were beating him only because they had sharply better players in much greater numbers.

Wooden at 50 did NOT want to recruit, or play ANY full court presses. He KNEW that he had proven he could play the game his way he could do very well doing it his way.

But Wooden at 50 knew the game was changing rapidly under him. He knew so many programs were integrating that he no longer could sit and wait for young African Americans to come to him. He knew the athleticism of African American athletes that he had relied on earlier than most was now changing the kinds of things that could be done on a basketball floor. He knew that basketball coaches were getting better and better at scheming offenses that could wear down half court M2M defenses with endless running of shuffle offense and wear down is vaunted half court pressure defenses. He knew that all athletes were getting so much better that his half court pressure defense was having trouble containing them.

But Wooden at 50 did NOT want to change. He had resisted pressure from him assistants and colleagues to change for 5 years at least. He knew what worked. He knew things were changing, but he knew how to tinker with what he already did to make it keep working a little better.

But Wooden at 50 also knew that if he did not change, he was certain to become an anachronism, a successful one, but an anachronism nontheless. And he had coached long enough at 50 to have seen many coaches become anachronisms.

Wooden at 50 did not want to become an anachronism. No one wants to become an anachronism in his or her profession. But it happens sooner or later if you don't retire, or get fired before it does.

Wooden was lucky in many ways, but he was especially lucky in one way. A former player, Jerry Norman reputedly got tired of the real estate business, where he had made some money, and wanted to get into coaching. He came to Wooden and asked to join him and Wooden was glad to have him, because finding assistants was actually difficult in those days, because pay was so low, and schools were opening so fast in college, juco and high schools that assistants quickly found head coaching jobs and living wages by stepping down a level. Norman reputedly immediately offered to be Wooden's recruiter. Wooden knew he needed more players than he had been getting just to stay competing at the level he had been at--finishing second each season. He consented to Norman recruiting, but gave him no budget.

After coaching for Wooden a year, or two, and proving himself to Wooden, Norman came to Wooden and said he had this incredible new defense-the 3/4 court 2-2-1 zone press; that high schools were running it California, and that it was a way to put more pressure on opponents and make what talent you had go farther. Wooden was diametrically opposed to pressing, because it was wasting a lot of energy guarding someone somewhere on the floor where they could not possibly score. It was a fool's game to press. It was proven over time. Wooden himself had proven it was not necessary to succeed and that logic told one that it was a net loss. And besides, other coaches winning championships were not pressing either.

Norman asked Wooden to let him try it out on the freshman team for a season as an experiment, and so Wooden could watch and study it for himself. The freshman team kicked as in its short season. And even then Wooden resisted. Yes, it was clearly a potent defensive weapon, but top flight players would break it down. Norman reputedly said basically that without a recruiting budget it was going to take him awhile to get Wooden some players and that he had to have something to sell to players that was different to get them. He had proven with the freshman team that it worked. And that Wooden should give it a try. I have heard the story after that two ways. One was that Wooden said okay, we'll give it a try this season. Another was that Norman threatened to quit and go get a coaching job somewhere that WOULD run the 2-2-1 press. Either way Wooden stepped out of his comfort zone and, in his somewhat monomaniacal fashion, said if we are going to try it we are going to commit fully to it.

The next ten champions in eleven years with every kind of size and combination of talent level conceivable is history. Two rings with short players with talent no better than the top teams and recruited without cash under the table. Six teams with two super players--Jabbar and Walton--with Gilbert reputedly paying the going rate for players. One team with unprecedented depth, again with players reputedly being paid the going rate. And one team starting NBA draft choices at almost every position, agains reputedly being paid the going rate.

The story is that Norman had to push Wooden constantly to stay with the press the first season, despite them going 32-0.

The story is that assistants Norman and Cunningham had to push Wooden to change to the low post offense, when Jabbar was signed. They had just won two rings with the high post offense. Wooden knew it made sense to shift to the low post offense, but Wooden never LIKED the low post offense. It wasn't who he was. It wasn't the kind of basketball he loved.

But just as Wooden had stepped out of his comfort zone and embraced the 2-2-1 press and recruiting, Wooden stepped out of his comfort zone and embraced the low post offense.

But as soon as Jabbar graduated and they signed Walton, Wooden jumped out the low post offense back to his preferred high post and frankly wasted quite a bit of Walton's potential as a low post scorer and rebounder, before finally consenting to scheme a single post offense where Walton's great mobility could be deployed variously between down low and up high. I am not absolutely sure, but I believe Wooden steadfastly refused ever to run the high-low, though he might have run it some with his last ring team with Richard Washington.

Wooden was so stubborn about the rightness and elegance of a single post offense that even after winning three rings with Walton, rotating low to high and back low, Wooden practically was orgasmic the following season when he went back to a single high post offense with Patterson out at the tip of the key (as it used to be called anachronistically, for it was by then no longer a key shaped FT lane and circle) and Wicks and Rowe on a double low wing offense, reputedly Wooden's own improvisation on his own single high post.

My point of this long digression about Wooden, is that until one is 50, one really never has to adapt one's thinking all that much, because one's thinking is product of the recent evolution of things and is by definition up to day. It is not until one reaches around 50 that one's thinking and approach can get behind the curve. Before 50 all one has to do to stay au currant is to keep nipping and tucking and borrowing this piece, or that piece from someone else. But from 50 onwards, it is pretty typical to find the world has changed and you have to make a decision about whether to stay the same, or change with it. Both paths have risks. The former turns you into a winning anachronism that eventually guaranties you become marginalized. The second confronts you with having to get outside your comfort zone to make the changes that are required.

Self IS outside his comfort zone. He has made that commitment. But he is having a damned hard time with it intermittently. A great coach has to trust both his ability to assess what players he has and then scheme who they can feasibly be in a way that can win as much as possible. He also has to trust his split second judgements in the moment of competition. But when you are operating outside your comfort zone, you are usually coming up with new schemes you don't necessarily like, and you are having to make split second judgements relative to these schemes that are not second nature to you. It creates an awkward phase. I am telling you I know it does because I was 50 once. There is no avoiding this awkward phase any more than once can avoid being physically and socially awkward as an early teenager at certain points.

No one talks about it, but it is just as real a fixture, or parameter, of human life, as the coming of age thing in early teen-hood. Some do it more gracefully than others. Some are more successful while they do it than others. But if you look closely, you will see them going through it no matter what.

So: I don't look on what Self is struggling with as a bad sign. I don't look on his ambivalence and backsliding as something that is a bad thing for him to go through. I look on this as signs of a man willing himself into this right of passage and taking his lumps and revealing his warts as he drags himself kicking and screaming through this re-birth canal that happens at this time of a person's life, especially in one's profession. The one's that don't go through it are doomed to anachronisms. The one's that do have a good chance of making it. Some don't make it. But I would bet that Bill Self is going to make it.

Each ten years of our lives is a new phase. Each phase starts with a transition with some peril and uncertainty. But some phases we are being drug kicking and screaming by others into them, others we are kind of smoothly transitioning through as if by force of inertia, and still others, especially this transition at 50, we have drag ourselves kicking and screaming through the change. We have sizable responsibilities to others by this time. Its not just us deciding to take the plunge as a head coach, because that was the purpose of becoming a coach in the first place. This change at 50 is becoming a different kind of coach than we groomed ourselves and were groomed by others to be. This change at 50 distills to something like: are we willing to go through a seemingly near total transformation, while carrying an entire program on our back as we do? It is the same within a family. At 50, you change the kind of father you have been. You have to. You are no longer dealing with little kids that have no say in what happens. You are dealing with 2/3s formed children that think they are fully formed. They have to be dealt with differently and frankly, you never prepared yourself for this phase. You thought they would either be half formed little kids and then some how self-transform into fully formed young persons. You have to deal with ambiguous little creatures that are not quite children and not quite humans. :-) You have to embrace ambivalence, because you really ARE ambivalent about how you feel and what you understand. You know you have to retool to get through this next phase and it involves trimming yourself back so you are not casting as much shade as before, and yet you know somehow you have from time to time cast a whole bunch of shade briefly to save these pitiful shape shifters in your world from the disasters of their own shape shifting stages of body and states of mind. And at some point, hopefully sooner, than later, you have to realize that the only way to do care for these weird organisms populating your home is to step outside of your comfort zone that got you to this point and do some shape shifting of your own.

Anyway, I like that Self is going through what he is going through. It is a good sign to me, even though it is kind of harrowing to watch. You don't get to be a wise man without going through it.

Rock Chalk!

Texas Tech Win: The Death Of Feed The Post • Jan 12, 2015 06:53 AM

@KUSTEVE

Thx. Once in a blue moon I get something right. 😄

Texas Tech Win: The Death Of Feed The Post • Jan 12, 2015 06:49 AM

@KUSTEVE

My name is Forrest Gump. People call me Forrest Gump.

Happy Happy in the Old Fieldhouse! • Jan 11, 2015 10:21 PM

@drgnslayr

As I indicated elsewhere, Self has reputedly gone back to the drawing board and invited his team into the redesign process and there is no better way to rebuild enthusiasm and a sense of investment in small organizations thAn to invite them into the solution process. The team is involved in a jazz improv!

Momma Mykhailiuk • Jan 11, 2015 02:26 PM

@wrwlumpy

Devonte be not dropping a lotta change on razor blades.

Momma Mykhailiuk • Jan 11, 2015 02:23 PM

@wrwlumpy

Fresh kolotches make the treys drop!

Texas Tech Win: The Death Of Feed The Post • Jan 11, 2015 02:18 PM

@twocoach

Thx. Very amazing.

@REHawk

At that age, distractions can mean a lot of things--any thing from apron strings, to girl friends, to gang connections, to agent/agent runner problems, to crossing the wrong way summer gamers and juco coaches, to in a place like Memphis, well, there is no bottom to down.

I will let it go, because you are.

Maybe Josh is a top notch coach and a helluva guy.

@icthawkfan316

ALL DISTRACTIONS.

NOTHING BUT DISTRACTIONS.

Texas Tech Win: The Death Of Feed The Post • Jan 11, 2015 08:36 AM

@bskeet

For sure. I think opponents have no clue what KU's tendencies are right now, so they are scheming for what Self did the last game, and self is changing game to game.

Against UNLV KU shot treys. Against Baylor the bigs attacked. Against Tech Perry shot treys and other bigs attacked.

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Texas Tech Win: The Death Of Feed The Post • Jan 11, 2015 05:33 AM

@Crimsonorblue22

Yes, but Fred is trying to build a program. Donovan's been a fairly impressive recruiter and had his program pretty high for quite some time.

@JayHawkFanToo

That makes some sense. That could be a piece of it.

@brooksmd

Yes, I forgot to mention that striking quality about him, too.

BUT I NOW BELIEVE HE JUST FACED TOO MANY DISTRACTIONS IN MEMPHIS.

Texas Tech Win: The Death Of Feed The Post • Jan 11, 2015 05:04 AM

Anyone notice that Billy Donovan picked up 6-10 Shuyler Rimmer off Stanford, and so now has SIX transfers on the roster for next year, plus two highly ranked freshman bigs coming in? Saw it on ESPN. Couldn't tell if the six transfers are all becoming eligible next season, or not, but it sounded like it. I don't recall an elite program taking on 6 transfers at once, if that in fact is the case. Pretty amazing.

Shuyler Rimmer (Stanford), [John] Egbunu, Dorian Finney-Smith (Virginia Tech), Eli Carter (Rutgers), Jon Horford (Michigan) and Alex Murphy (Duke)."
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/12132167/schuyler-rimmer-joins-florida-gators-month-leaving-stanford-cardinal ↗