Three up on the road first half when fighting out of a slump is good
jaybate 1.0
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Ku looking much sharper today, but we are going to need an adjustment at half to get some offensive penetration.
Yeee haw Garrett!!!
Short 3
Garrett active today
Even KSU doesnāt have a pioneer logo on their court!
This isnāt the Hilton coliseum. Itās the Hilton farm Implement dealership
Lol
Ku up 5!
Svi heating up!
Agreed
Hawks up!!!!
Self looks like heās coaching through the flu!
Svi for 3
LeCobra is back striking!!!
A 3 fell
This is going to be a serious gut check. Devil Dogs are going to have to win this one without ammo!
KU ice cold from trey, ISU hot, but KU hanging in.
Agreed, no reason to think the players could, since we canāt. š
Iām probably just too old fashioned, but I would hope the free exchange of ideas here might be tonic for the players and coaches, though I also appreciate their need to limit distractions and focus, too! The coaches especially wouldnāt learn anything from us, but they surely would get a battery recharge from seeing how much most board rats admire and respect the coaches and appreciate their incredible hard work!
Regardless, I am a strong believer in the revitalizing effects on Americans of free speech and the First Amendment!
Free speech from a loyal, loving place always picks my spirits up!!
I recall former Judge Andrew Napolitano and former Federal Prosecutor Joseph DiGenova and others complain about arrested persons being turned into witnesses that will agree to testify to most anything, including fictional, scripted confessions, to get shortened sentences. I recall they were quite concerned about rising abuse of this apparently legal tactic. I hope we are not witnessing Self and KU be smeared with fiction in a dog fight between the right wing DNC and the Ultra right wing RNC over control of the state of Kansas. It has appeared for sometime that their is some kind of worsening schism in Kansas with the Bush/Clinton/Obama/NEOCON/NEOLIB faction fighting with the Koch/Pompeo/Trump/Pentagon factions over control of the CONUS pinch point that the state of Kansas reputedly is in major power struggles. No one can control North American energy, or transportation, or NORTHCOM force structure, or biological weapons, or the US Army, or ICBMs, without literal control of the turf that is Kansas. Can. Not. Be. Done.
Once the elephants start vying for ground control of a state, it would appear they would have to take control of major Federal institutions in the game space by any feasible meansābasic strategy and logistics. Institutional destabilization is a prime tactic. Just ask Michigan State, Louisville, and North Carolina.
I sure hope this is all a bunch of hooey. It would be a very sad day for The Legacy, if the father of all college basketball programs were to be drug through the mud by one, or both, of the two apparently anti-representative government wings of private oligarchy currently in a pissing match for control of the country.
Rock Chalk!
mayjay said:
Maybe they will announce that they are giving free tickets to Buckets members to our final home game this year, with a special pregame meeting with the team so we can give them all the advice they desperately need to win the conference!
However challenged you perhaps find board ratsā opining here at times (and we are fans for sure here, not pros), wouldnāt you think the team would be better off absorbing the spirit, analysis and love of the game and program that percolates here, than possibly struggling with each other, or possibly consuming intoxicating substances? I find this board rather measured and affectionate in its discourse most of the time, donāt you? And if one didnāt, Iām not sure why one would come here, since we are apparently such a tiny, humble corner of KU nation.
Always interested in your thoughts on these sorts of community issues.
I have done an anecdotal study of many web sites and much tweeting. Finding 96.666% of these sorts of tweets are by unimaginative persons seeking attention, or by shills/bots destabilizing.
But if I were Self, I would retire before they get him.
THEY are out to get him.
That much is apparent.
@HighEliteMajor et al
Going to remaster the obvious here.
The team has quality, but insufficient quantity and the quality it has is unevenly distributed. The problems distilled are:
Asymmetric mix of perimeter and interior players;
NO PG Backup;
NO three-man big rotation with a fourth for foul ups and injuries and slumps;
NO low post back up;
Starting post man impressive but canāt be in at crunch time, because he makes <50% of FT;
Very weak rebounding when injuries and/or fatigue come into play;
Five (Doke, Vick, Malik, Mitch, Marcus) of seven rotation players that have never started or rotated for a whole season and won a title.
The above list of deficiencies trigger losses when hot shooting streak of much of season ends last few weeks.
Team still using loss of Preston as excuse, which though true, is bad for thinking next and finding Ws the hard way.
Losses lead to finger pointing.
Kruger really unnerved them with fouling of Doke.
They recovered slowly only to hit a shooting slump. No team wins shooting 19% from 3.
They need to get hot again from trey.
Itās the only way short teams with one footer that canāt make FTs can win.
Donāt worry. It will come to you!
Hurts like hell.
Everything really worth doing has a cost!
Put some porterhouse onāem and laceāem up!
The trainās leaving.
Be on it!
99.9% of the time, KU, nor any other team, can win making 19.4% of treys, while itās opponent makes 53%.
KU would have defeated Failor handily had the 3pt percentages been reversed.
KU will beat the Clones if their accuracy returns and they guard!
Take away:
a.) keep shooting;
b.) tighten up the defense;
c.) rebound;
d.) protect;
e.) steal.
āItās still the same old story/
A fight for love and glory/
A case of do or die/
And the fundamental things apply/
As time goes by.ā
ROCK CHALK!
Self has taught me to think both!
So: either/or is a false dichotomy.
This team is being coached to reach its maximum potential to give it the best chance of winning both.
It canāt win either.
It has to win both.
HawkChamp said:
HighEliteMajor said:
And yes, we CAN make the FF. Who canāt we beat?
They are currently getting beat by themselves, so I'd say the University of Kansas can beat the University of Kansas. Outside of that, we can hang with anyone.
PHOF
@mayjay hires his least favorite judge and bailiff to punch him in both eyes š to try to top everyone!
I swear I do not recall a single curler in Michigan, or Ontario, with her charisma.
A double naught spy if ever there were one!
Buster 1926 said:
@jaybate-1.0 Schizz š© cannery row ?? Then bycrackie I believe too .. Dear oleā Buster first drank the kool aide way back at Met Stadium in 1926 there in River City and that aināt no Bull hockey š© . We aināt transplanted JB- āThe roots of our raisināā really do run šāāļø that deep.
Rock Chalk!!!
JayHawkFanToo said:
Texas Tech. already had its slump when it went 1-3, they have now won 6 in a row.
Due for their second one. All teams have two.
Ralster said:
@jaybate-1.0 Ha, the reason youāre lonely on that 14th branch...is because thereās a spindly fiber of a dude (kinda looks like a cat, or a Vick with his hair flat back?)...who seems rather busy with a hacksaw near the tree trunk...
PHOF!
We go 5-1 losing only to WVU in a turnabout is fair play among great coaches.
We beat Tech.
After we beat them, they lose one of two remaining, because of other teams doing the same exploit Self uses to beat them.
TTech is due for a slump. And I believe Self will expose a flaw in their game. Don't ask me what it will be, because I am not a Hall of Fame coach.
Rock Chalk!
We have to believe in ourselves. Sun Tzu said it is essential for victory. If a bunch of guys playing for a HOF coach that has won 13 straight conference titles and is the winningest D1 program that has neither run up wins for 4 seasons at least point shaving for gamblers, nor has run EASYGATE eligibility ringers and had a coach (Frank McGuire) shit-canned for corruption, can't believe, then who can?
And if this team has been using too much pot the last three weeks of really bad play, then piss on their stash and soak it in KSU experimental excrement, and lock them down except for classes and games, and tell them, "Boys, there is only one addiction around here that matters till April and that's Kansas basketball. Anyone that takes issue with this and they get a half hour alone in a locked utility room in Allen Field House with @drgnslayr and Sosinski.
Rock Chalk!
~Self and staff are all having Sosinski punch them in the eye to give them mouses to show solidarity with the players.
~Andrea Hudy has asked one of the KU women shot putters to give her a mouse to avoid any negative publicity of male abuse of women.
~Sheahon Zenger has held a lottery among fans disgruntled with his pay per view deal and the winner has given Zenger a mouse.
~All the KU yell leaders and cheer leaders will give each other mouses and say they got them during practice for building a human pyramid.
~David Booth and a Koch to be named shortly will give each other mouses to show solidarity with the KU basketball team.
~Barrack Obama has offered to exchange mouses with Donald Trump to try to give the Jayhawks a lift, but the Donald is conferring with both his White House defense team and his personal lawyers to see if this would be viewed by Bob Mueller as collusion, or obstruction.
~@jaybate 1.0 gave himself a mouse to get the ball rolling on showing solidarity with the KU Jayhawks fighting for their 14 conference title and fifth national championship.
(Note: All fiction. No malice. Except the last one.)
:-)
Are you sure they weren't referring to Lon Luger, the OU basketball coach?
About damned time.
I was feeling pretty lonely out on this limb.
KU ties with Tech for a 14th Title.
JayHawkFanToo said:
jaybate 1.0 said:
VIRGINIA! :-)
Virginia lost at home to 7th place Virginia Tech. :smirk:
Thatās the best news Iāve heard all day!
Thx for the assist!!!š
CRH107 said:
āWe were obviously better three weeks ago than we're playing right now." ~Coach Self
Three weeks corresponds to the departure of Preston. Could be coincidental or the team could be missing his contribution at practices.
This is a really intriguing connection. Self kept selling the high probability Preston would be cleared and it didnāt happen. Maybe the team lost faith. Hmmm.
P.S.: @wissox, this problem of all "all caps" actually started in the typewriter era when the upper case key was modified to have a locking function.
Q: Why isn't Sheahon Zenger building a Tesla Pyramid next to Allen Field House to tap into the underground aquifer and generate electricity more cheaply, while also making AFH be able to defend itself with long wave directed beams against interdimensional attacks by Archon-Shoeco Complex aliens?
A: Project stopped by Deep State. Classified and moved to Yale.
Q: Did James Naismith meet Harry Houdini and H.P. Lovecraft the night that Lovecraft agreed to write a highly fictionalized account of Houdini's experiences at the Great Pyramid in Egypt, and did Naismith advise Lovecraft and Houdini on the occult origins of Toad on a Rock, as that it was actually called KEK on a Rock by the ancients that came to Ontario over 3500 years ago, and then again by the Knights Templar roughly 20 years before Columbus came to the Western Hemisphere?
A: No.
Q: Were James Naismith and Forrest Allen ever involved in a conspiracy of osteopaths attempting to take over the American Medical Association and replace vaccinations with lumbar adjustments as the primary form of health care?
A: No.
Q: Has anyone ever been caught in a green tractor beam and transported from Allen Field House to a planet of Saturn?
A: Yes, it supposedly happened, but the KU fans present were subjected to a mass neuralizations by men in black and all wire service photographs documenting the event were classified along with what happened at Roswell, NM and are jointly archived at Wright-Patterson AFB in a large box marked "To be released if the Deep State is in danger of being arrested for treason."
Q: Is it true that the legendary KU Jayhawk mascot as painted on the James Naismith Court inside Allen Field House is one-eyed, because the Jayhawk logo was developed by the Illuminati and Freemasons that also use a one-eye image and images of one-eyed models in music and movie and fashion advertising promotion?
A: Anyone that says yes will be immediately found suicided, or to have beaten themselves to death, or to have just won The Voice. The answer is: NO!
Q: Is it true that the holy grail of college basketball, as pictured in jaybate 1.0's icon, is really located in a chamber 10 feet beneath the center circle of Allen Field House and that it is guarded by a basketball knight named 100?
A: Yes.
(Note: All fiction. No malice. Except the last one.)
Ralster said:
@HighEliteMajor Very interesting read. And we wonder if Vick is aligned with Malik somehow, as his play stinks worse than Newmanās.
You always wonder about players who directly said (Doke) or whoās parent directly said (Malikās dad) that they āwill only play 1 yearā. In my opinion thatās a bold prediction. So they gave us a great clue as to their working mindsetāhow can it not be me-first...unless they realize & learn where their own game is at, and show a little humility.
Take a lesson from Trae Young, who is all about his team, and whose dad said he may well stay longer than a year, depending on what heās got to learn, & how it goes (I got no issue with that open-minded statement, be it for public consumption or not). At least play the part (of a team). The sad fact is Selfās play style needs all its role players and pieces, with most starters being multidimensional. But if we dont perform our jobs, the team breaks down.
PHOF even though its a little different than my take. Way to bring it.
drgnslayr said:
TTech has been playing solid all year. They deserve being on top. I'm surprised they only lead us by 1 game.
Yes, I really think they could do well in the March Carney, too, depending on the shoes they wear.
VIRGINIA! :-)
As I've said elsewhere, its always good to look at culture.
And pot could be a driver, but I'm betting it is not.
I think players like Vick and Malik that have come so far, just wouldn't let pot come between them and a shot at the NBA. And if they were letting pot get the better of them, my hunch is that Self would simply dismiss, or cryo-ice them.
See my other posts above and elsewhere, but to the point, I'm arguing Vick just doesn't have the wheels to go anymore, maybe told Self so, and Self is maybe trying to taper him down to ease the tendonitis by March, but still needing to use him some because they are so shorthanded.
In turn, Self's retooling to build a team that can find a way to win without the treys dropping, so that he can play it either way come March. One game in six even a hot outside shooting team has an off game. This KU team has the guns to win it all if it gets hot. But it needs to be able to get through that one off game in six that even a hot shooting team has.
I am out on a limb here.
No one else seems to see it as I do.
But its how I see it.
Your mention of Cunliffe in this messy stew is timely and spot on.
He is an outlier most of us have been overlooking.
My wild guess is Cunliffe is a fiery competitor and opined in practice in a way that fried him, same as Russell Robinson once auto fried his first season.
There are certain things that cannot be said to a coach in front of a team, even in the heat of a moment!
Never mess with a scientist in the middle of a delicate experiment. Most players cross Self once or twice and wind up in basketball Siberia for awhile. Cunliffe is probably there right now.
February is not the time that Self likes to coach fundamentals and common sense insights and "playing hard" and how to handle your teammates. Show him you need to learn those things in February, and you are bound for cry-genic ice, or the blood sacrifice altar that Malik now seems to be on.
My hunch with Vick is that he's just got too much tendonitis in those skinny knees of his and has never had to try to perform with this much pain. Hypothesis: he finally caved from the pain and said he can't play because of the pain. Self then probably gave him a couple of chances to "man up" about it, and that didn't work, so Vick is getting the treatment all players get that indicate to Self that they can't play-through. He has been moved waaaaaaay down the depth chart as an unreliable for this season. Its not the end of the line for a player, unless the player takes it the wrong way. Self ONLY schemes around guys he can count on down the stretch, when there is no time for yet another rebuild. Self has done this before, too.
I frankly don't see the "chemistry" as being horribly messed up, as much as a few rough edges that Self has decided to grind down permanently, and at all costs.
Losing appears to have a peculiar effect on Self.
Most coaches lose and they appear to focus entirely on how to win the next game. They fine tune and get the next W.
Self on the other hand sometimes seems to focus in instead on whatever is keeping the team from being the best that it can be, after a loss, especially after two.
Fans say, "Well, all you've got to do is go back to playing the kind of ball you played during the recent good stretch."
Self seems to say, "No, this is rooted in the fact that we are no where near the best we could be playing this way, and it doesn't really matter if I give it a little tweak here to win another game. We might as well get on with grinding this molar down so the mouthful of teeth can finally chew correctly."
To feel good about what Self is doing, fans, even other coaches, would have to understand the game as well as Self understands it.
I don't.
But I have just grown to trust Self that his way gets there most of the time.
And when it doesn't, like it didn't with Wiggins team, when Joel finally took a powder on coming back and Wiggins apparently just wouldn't put the team on his back, well, Self just sends them out and lets them get put out of their misery, as he apparently did against Stanford and that's that.
There is a possibility that Self is letting this team be put out of its misery now, but I doubt it.
I really think he can put this team back in its comfort zone any time he wants to and it will win most of the games the rest of the way.
But unless he really grinds the big, deformed molar all the way off, this mess of teeth will never bite and chew the way its supposed to do.
And that will lead to choking on a bite early in the tournament.
If I read Self right, he thinks the team can bite and choke early in the tournament no matter what, so why not risk everything right now to see if he can give it a good set of chops that can may be avoid choking and get hot in March.
Think about it.
This team isn't going anywhere in march, even with a proper molar grind if it isn't hot in March.
But if it were to get on a six game roll of 45-55% three point shooting as it got on for awhile this season, well, then this team could win a ring in march, if its teeth bite down just evenly enough to get it through one off shooting game.
This team is absolutely murderer's row when its shooting lights out. I really don't think any team in the country can beat it, when DG, Malik, Vick, and Svi are shooting lights out. Nobody. Self isn't stupid. He knows this.
So Self is playing and scheming the team for a hot hand in March.
He's cutting Vick's minutes to try to get his tendonitis under control.
He's putting Malik on the team sacrifice altar to try to grind down the rough edges that exist in team chemistry.
And while he is doing this he is developing an old 3-2 high low scheme for this team to play, when it has a cold shooting night.
This makes so much sense.
When March comes, this team may, or may not have a 14th consecutive ring (I suspect it will tie for a 14th), but it likely will be coming out of its shooting slump by March and it will also have learned how to play and win a game with the 3-2 high low when the treys aren't dropping from the 4-1.
And wasn't this what Self said he wanted all along--to be able to play it both ways?
Rock Chalk!
I JUST HATE ALL CAPS, TOO!!!!
But sometimes they are easier to read when making embedded comments. :-)
Really thoughtful and rationally detached exploration of the topic.
Thanks.
I think things are going to work out much better than most expect at this moment.
Self is trying like hell to drive this team together.
History indicates Self will use most anyone as a scapegoat to trigger the team to rally to that player's defense and so forge a team.
Self is getting frustrated for sure.
But at the same time, it is very clear that Self thinks this team can accomplish much more than it is.
Self is trying to provoke them into transcending themselves by becoming a true "team" instead of a bunch of shooters.
Self is risking everything.
But that's how he has always been.
He plays to reach full potential.
As he says, its not just about winning.
Its about becoming the best we can be; that is what gives us the best chance of winning the most games, even if it also creates the possibility of catastrophic failure.
I don't believe he would do what he is doing if he did not think there was a reasonable chance to get to the next level.
Malik is not the first guy he has thrown onto the team altar to get where he is trying to go.
Probably won't be the last either.
Have you noticed that Devonte doesn't even think twice about playing 40 mpg anymore. 40 is the new 30 for DG. He doesn't even look like he's breathing hard at FTs with five to go. I know he doesn't have the pop he used to early in the season, but Devonte is now outside the envelope of pain, as they say in the marathon. Pain is now his friend. Pain and he walk together as teammates for 40 minutes. 40 is the new 30.
Let us say that Malik is about to meet pain and have his chance to make friends. :-)