We good.

Don't have ESPN+, so will be relying on the Thread for my "visuals"... :)

@DCHawker

Man I could share login if you want

@BeddieKU23 Does espn allow simul log-ins? I know account sharing was huge in the early days of things like Netflix but companies started to crack down.

Regular starters, Bryce is good to go.

@BShark

Haven't tried it to be honest. But was willing to let a fellow Jayhawk try

@BShark said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Regular starters, Bryce is good to go.

That will be interesting. So happy to see him back

@BeddieKU23 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

@BShark

Haven't tried it to be honest. But was willing to let a fellow Jayhawk try

Appreciate it, but I will just imagine crisp passes and rim rattling dunks...

Cade will go off tonight I bet, especially after a weak effort last game...

Nauseating camera angle...

@DCHawker

First possession your dreams came true

I'm up in the cheap seats!

@BShark said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Nauseating camera angle...

For real. what is this?

Ochai bang

4-3 ugh

Agbaji for 3

Big Dave playing like a 6 footer

In terms of trying to dunk

lol

Cade is really good though, like sheeeesh.

Bryce Williams super bowl

Ochai heater

For those that can't watch big Dave missed a dunk, missed the puback and got blocked

@BeddieKU23 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

For those that can't watch big Dave missed a dunk, missed the puback and got blocked

From behind, by a shorter player.

Our pick and roll defense is what id call crap

Och feeling it.

Oklahoma st ref said i gotta stop ochai

pretty sure espn will allow a couple simultaneous logins. A friend might have mentioned it.

Landon Lucas is better on offense then Garrett. Change my mind

this camera angle did not let me appreciate Dave's 4 inch vertical on that dunk

Dave dunked

CB grinds

Hustle CB

@BeddieKU23 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Our pick and roll defense is what id call crap

Well, Dave is in so yeah.

Good start. Oklahoma St doesn't defend

@BeddieKU23 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Dave dunked

With 2 hands....its a belated Christmas miracle

@bmensch1

2021 new years resolution?

@bmensch1 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

@BeddieKU23 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Dave dunked

With 2 hands....its a belated Christmas miracle

Not sure he even rolled it over the rim. so it was like a REAL dunk.

@BeddieKU23 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

@bmensch1

2021 new years resolution?

He has just as many dunks in 2021 as he has missed dunks.

@BeddieKU23 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Good start. Oklahoma St doesn't defend

Their defense is supposedly good according to advance stats lol. Their offense is ranked lower but is starting out hot.

@bmensch1

Touche,

@bmensch1 I'll take missed dunks over fade away hooks all day.

Seriously, I thought the camera angle in Stillwater was like from the fifth row in past years. What's with this cheap seats video?

DEFENSE

@DanR said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Seriously, I thought the camera angle in Stillwater was like from the fifth row in past years. What's with this cheap seats video?

Budget cuts

Garrett defense

And then...w/e the hell that was on offense

Does Wilson ever have a good first half?

@BShark

OKLAHOMA all over again

Grind it out, 'hawks!

One of the weakest calls

@BeddieKU23 Our problem is this team is a bit slow, and very bothered by length.

@benshawks08 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Does Wilson ever have a good first half?

He doesn't really have a good first 30 minutes

He will come up big late and we will love him yet again.

Imagine leaving Cade open

Dave did a joel shake

What was that d?

@BShark said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Imagine leaving Cade open

Nightmare

Was it zone? Did someone get lost? Like what happened?

If Dave figures out old man ball he could be a powerhouse

@benshawks08 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Was it zone? Did someone get lost? Like what happened?

Shitty double team and never recovered

The lob to ochai has worked about 1 time this yr

Tristan first off the bench..

MITCH

Ha ha, Okie stepped out of bounds

So I've decided the sidelines on this court are terrible.

Wow we got one of those makeup calls

Good lord Cade

Tristan. I'm sorry

Light orange 3 inches from the dark black is just bad planning.

Sure cade

@benshawks08 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

So I've decided the sidelines on this court are terrible.

And the colors, and the camera view, and Marcus smart, and Eskimo joes....I could go on forever

Streetball it is

@benshawks08 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Light orange 3 inches from the dark black is just bad planning.

Oregons court says hold my beer

I mean, we just watched a TCU game not too long ago.

Definitely an honorable mention

@benshawks08 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

I mean, we just watched a TCU game not too long ago.

Come Monday night....ill be bitching again about the court, and Drew, and the branch davidians....I'm never happy

@bmensch1 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

@benshawks08 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

So I've decided the sidelines on this court are terrible.

And the colors, and the camera view, and Marcus smart, and Eskimo joes....I could go on forever

Definitely read the end of this in the "I could go on forever baby" voice from the movie Kevin watches in Home Alone (maybe Home alone 2)

The biggest issue with this KU team might be passing.

@BShark said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

The biggest issue with this KU team might be passing.

That happens when you don't play a point guard.

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@BShark said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

The biggest issue with this KU team might be passing.

And vertical jumping

OK kid down. How we doing?

Ochai just needs to take that to the rim

I mean Agbaji thats just dumb

@approxinfinity said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

OK kid down. How we doing?

Supoptimal

@approxinfinity said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

OK kid down. How we doing?

Still early. They are shooting well. We are not playing harris.

@approxinfinity said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

OK kid down. How we doing?

Down 2 and the defense couldn't stop you with a broken leg

Sorry, I'm still not sold on Tristan being useful

Tyon in...

A Marcus Garrett contested 3 point shot may be worse than a fade away hook shot from dave

Take Tyon out and never put him back in.

Tyons not playable

He looks like wiggins but thats about it.

@bmensch1 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

A Marcus Garrett contested 3 point shot may be worse than a fade away hook shot from dave

Close

TGF is finding creative ways to look terrible

9-0 Okie run

I hope Tyon becomes a real team player so we can say "there's no I in TGF!"

Great. We can't guard

@DanR said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

TGF is finding creative ways to look terrible

I believe he will get there eventually but it could be very painful for a while.

@approxinfinity

Last several games hes been a me me player

@benshawks08 I agree

Lay ups are hard.

This will be a well deserved loss

3 layups missed

We can't even make an easy layup

Hey nice timing on that pass to the cutter Dave. Dig it

Braun delivers with the jam

Can't make lay-ups so dunk it I guess

Whatever

Christian needs to d up

Sooooo.....they don't miss 3's

Gotcha

Sweet little cut there and pass by Dave

I'm not happy that dave shot went in.

Och and Garrett the only two playing d.

These refs. Take a lap

Okie Lite is on an absolute heater from three. Mostly wide open looks will do that for you.

Big Dave with the fadeaway....I've always been his #1 supporter

Good recovery by Ochai to snuff that stuff

Agbaji with 2. Great

Wow wide open in tbe lane

This is a ROUGH line up for KU...

@BeddieKU23 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Agbaji with 2. Great

Brings in harris for the rest of the half....we good

We like to give them the ball

Don't need Big Dave to be the assist guy every possession

@BShark said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

This is a ROUGH line up for KU...

Yeah, Garrett, Harris, AND Dave is not the how I wanted Harris to enter the game.

@bmensch1 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

@BeddieKU23 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Agbaji with 2. Great

Brings in harris for the rest of the half....we good

Can't play him with Garrett. And that's what self does

Dude what can you do when they're this hot. We will come back or lose by 20

6/9 from 3 is okay

@BShark said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

This is a ROUGH line up for KU...

Understatement

@BeddieKU23 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

@BShark said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

This is a ROUGH line up for KU...

Understatement

Bring in Mitch for Braun and it will be solid.

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

6/9 from 3 is okay

By the time they cool off it will be too late because Self is autobenching Ochai due to fouls.

four or five threes in a row from OSU... we'll be all right

@approxinfinity said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Dude what can you do when they're this hot. We will come back or lose by 20

Keep it within 10 and McClung them....wait till 2nd half when they cool off and win the game in the last minute

This is worse then playing texas

@bmensch1 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

@approxinfinity said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Dude what can you do when they're this hot. We will come back or lose by 20

Keep it within 10 and McClung them....wait till 2nd half when they cool off and win the game in the last minute

This seems to be a recurring strategy.

Okie Lite was checks notes 244th in the country in 3pt% coming in.

@BShark

Well our awesome defensive strategy jumped them 200 spots

@BShark said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Okie Lite was checks notes 244th in the country in 3pt% coming in.

Yeah but we are giving their best shooters open looks.

@benshawks08 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

@bmensch1 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

@approxinfinity said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Dude what can you do when they're this hot. We will come back or lose by 20

Keep it within 10 and McClung them....wait till 2nd half when they cool off and win the game in the last minute

This seems to be a recurring strategy.

83% of the time....it works every time!

@BShark lol

@BShark said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Okie Lite was checks notes 244th in the country in 3pt% coming in.

Yup, 31.6%.

The announcer missed .6%. Makes all the difference

I like that this abnormal 3 point shooting will boost OSU's confidence beyond their capabilities

David becoming embiid playing 2k

Bryce on the floor. Yay.

Hey Daves squared up baby hook is totally acceptable. Good shot.

Yikes Marcus

I'm not a fan of how much help everyone is providing on D. Over help and then scramble d just isn't working.

I also appreciate it coming from the center of floor instead of baseline

Garrett... what are you doing?

Marcus. I'm sorry your playing

Big difference on d when they aren't worried about cade

sure

Great, Bryce has something to prove... don't need that

Yeah sure

They score 3. Dave scores 2

Dave.... That d...

Much much better possession Dave fighting for board and bucket than baseline jumper though

Self might as well lose all the timeouts

no way

Stop with the baseline jumpers Dave!

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Don't need Dave taking 30 shots per game

@DanR said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Don't need Dave taking 30 shots per game

Thats his per 40 avg

It could be going better. We should try playing defense.

Man Boynton is a Violent ass slapper. Don't get on his good side!

@KirkIsMyHinrich

Nah. Not here

@BeddieKU23 seriously? Argh

Wilson a ghost again

That's a good shot Wilson. Says nobody not even his mother

sigh

Dave is gassed. Get him out

Well I wish it could worse then missing 4 layups but I'd be lying

Wilsons playing like he got paid to shave points

We are so baght....this is worse than watching the Texas game

Why the F are we still throwing the ball to dave? He can barely walk

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@DanR said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

@BeddieKU23 seriously? Argh

I'm sure its close

I blame Gypsy

I mean Bshark

@BShark

Self won't Dave might get 39. But we'll lose by the same margin

I appreciate jesse being completely forthcoming on Dave's epic badness.

I'm sure that isn't endearing him to Self.

I feel like the under 16 timeout just didn't help us

Anybody dreading Monday night as much as I am after enduring this piss poor performance thus far?

They have no idea what to do against the Okie Lite zone D...

If there's a .1% chance of optimism Oklahoma St did this to WVU and then lost

Dave is fine as the second option, but getting Ochai, Wilson or Braun open for a three off a screen ought to be the first option.

Dajuan who today?

Hard to believe we've forced 2 30 sec violation

this has to be by far the least talented KU team in years

Wilson is in a different arena

@approxinfinity said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Dajuan who today?

Hard to pull your best defender when NO ONE ELSE IS TRYING on that end.

Yikes

Least talented and worst shooting

Dajuan I think you earned a seat

Worst team in the Self era

Not a chance we keep this under 20

@BeddieKU23 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Dajuan I think you earned a seat

so we got a no score Garett and who knows what harris on the bench lmao

I guess Doke and Dotson were pretty good.

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

I guess Doke and Dotson were pretty good.

ya think

@BeddieKU23 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Not a chance we keep this under 20

They realized we are slow... Track meet will continue.

Wow. We practice against a zone at all? Ever? WTF

24-4 fast break points - -AGAIN 24 -4

After how bad we played Saturday. This is just the ugly stepsister to that one

What I wouldn't give for Christian Moody right now.

@approxinfinity said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

What I wouldn't give for Christian Moody right now.

Brady Morningstar

I mean Jamari was fast.

Bryce battled for that rebound

Only down 13...hit a 3 and maybe

Mario Little, save us!

Oh really a violation.

this is just NOT a very good team

We're not out of this, but good god this is pathetic

We lack guys who can anticipate the ball

Kevin Young wouldn't put up with this shit!

@bmensch1 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Only down 13...hit a 3 and maybe

lmao I love a sense of humor

We have taken more charging calls than we've made 3's

Why is Bryce handling the ball???

@DanR said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Why is Bryce handling the ball???

He's not.

Wow bryce. I'm just gonna leave it alone

That was honestly a cheap foul call. Looked like good d/bad offense to me.

OSU managed to let all their boo bird fans in for this game. That's impressive

Boynton gonna coach another year.

My Kingdom for a combo Calvin Thompson Ronnie Kellogg

ESPN so used to Oklahoma state scoring....our free throws were going to the cowboys

@DanR

They had sign ups and interviews

If we could just...stop turning the ball over...

Were ONLY down 11!!!

@BShark said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

If we could just...stop turning the ball over...

and how big is that if ? - - - - THIS BIG - - LIKE THIS - --- IF IF IF IF

Down 11 and we played like shit and they shot lights out....we good

Now think about that Brick for 20 minutes Cade

Cade missed. Do I smell 🧊

Stop the turnovers. Stop the bloodshed.

@approxinfinity said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Now think about that Brick for 20 minutes Cade

PLEEEEEEEASSSSEEEEE he just getting started lol

Zoning a team that is over 50% from three is a ballsy move. I'm honestly here for it.

The difference is they are 7-12 from 3 and we are 2-9.

I'm hoping that 20 minutes of basketball went out one ear

Wilson needs to play better.

@KirkIsMyHinrich

Last game still in his head

Well at least Duke is about to lose.

Yeah Wilson with a nothing Burger.

Wilson and Garrett... you guys both can't play poorly

@approxinfinity said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Yeah Wilson with a nothing Burger.

Wait till the last 10 minutes.

When we beat them last year it was Braun and Dotson. But we held them to 50 (65-50)

Think I'm fortunate to not actually be able to have witnessed the carnage.... Give up 46 in a half to the Pokes - they scored 70 against the Kittens their last game. Jalen another 1st half no show?

Looking back maybe Doke should have been DPOY

Hell, if I was scouting this KU team, I'd say let them try to win on Dave's shoulders.

@DCHawker

I can whole heartedly say your lifespan is better off missing this

Dave was great. Just not going to do it all.

West Virginia's next 3 games have been postponed

@KirkIsMyHinrich

Statistically he should have won

I wish that girl banging buckets in the background was in a ku uniform tonight. That gal don't miss

2/9 3 pointers to 7/12 ya , sounds about right

Walker sounds like a good kid

@jayballer67 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

2/9 3 pointers to 7/12 ya , sounds about right

Garret has taken 2 of those 9 and they were both BAD shots (maybe end of the shotclock...)

She didn't miss during entire interview.

Braun has been really nothing these last couple of games

I'm old enough to remember when people thought Jalen might leave early.

@benshawks08

One nipped rim and 90% backboard

Braun scored 4 in one stretch and has a few rebounds... not the prob, IMO

@benshawks08 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

@jayballer67 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

2/9 3 pointers to 7/12 ya , sounds about right

Garret has taken 2 of those 9 and they were both BAD shots (maybe end of the shotclock...)

he was doing a little better earlier this year - -back to familer self bricks

@BShark said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

I'm old enough to remember when people thought Jalen might leave early.

oh ya you mean last week lmao

Espn has 3 commercials on loop. Guess the ad bill didn't get paid

@jayballer67 I'm fine with him taking open shots. Needs to keep the d honest. But he is not the kind of guy you want putting up guarded looks.

We all gave Goodman some crap but this KU team definitely does not have the number of elite athletes we are used to.

@BShark said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

I'm old enough to remember when people thought Jalen might leave early.

I'm also only enough to remember there was a big debate as to whether he would transfer cause he wouldn't get minutes. If Tyler self was on this team he'd probably get 7 mpg. The talen level goes way down after 4.

@BShark

Those were good times, the best of times

@benshawks08 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

@jayballer67 I'm fine with him taking open shots. Needs to keep the d honest. But he is not the kind of guy you want putting up guarded looks.

the question is , why is he so open. - -he is open for a reason - - no threat from the outside, opposition fine with him taking those shots too

You guys are old. I don't remember any of that.

Oklahoma just learning about tiger king?

@BShark

Goodman is a grade A douche but for once he hit the bulls eye

@BeddieKU23 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

@BShark

Those were good times, the best of times

good ol days - - beer sud sucking days

@jayballer67

At least the pandemic didn't halt beer production

Duke lost!

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Duke lost!

I can't feel good about that until we win

I think this game should be postponed due to covid

@bmensch1 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

@BShark said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

I'm old enough to remember when people thought Jalen might leave early.

I'm also only enough to remember there was a big debate as to whether he would transfer cause he wouldn't get minutes. If Tyler self was on this team he'd probably get 7 mpg. The talen level goes way down after 4.

Yeah..to his credit he has really been a revelation early on, but has struggled a bit lately. It's still just his first year playing, he has a bright future. We need some damn guards.

@BeddieKU23 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

@jayballer67

At least the pandemic didn't halt beer production

thank GOD I screwed up - -didn't have any for tonight - - wonder if it's to late - - nothing worth watching here lol

@bmensch1 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

I think this game should be postponed due to covid

Your stealing baylors go to

@BeddieKU23 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Duke lost!

I can't feel good about that until we win

I can!!! Good breaking news!

Well K didn't get the game called fast enough - - Duke lost

@approxinfinity said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Kevin Young wouldn't put up with this shit!

Had to scroll up a bit, but I thought I saw Kevin Young mentioned.:flexed_biceps_medium_skin_tone:

Pretty sure the refs like the home team

Did Dave touch him?

Posting up guards is such a good idea in college.

Oklahoma state may be in the by under 16 timeout

The come back

26-4

jeeeeeeeeez

this team has no clue

I'm just gonna say it. Fuck these cowboys

28-4

@bmensch1 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

28-4

slow

Get it to 10 and 5 seconds later down 15

Braun has nothing

Dave's got problems

Wilson not smart!

13....

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Wilson not smart!

Yeah, Smart would have flopped hard on that.

Good attempt at that rebound

Dave hasn't been the problem today. He's been mediocre.

Good job Dave, fighting Wilson for that rebound!

@BeddieKU23 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Good attempt at that rebound

Was looking for the down vote on this comment.

not sure what you do when you can't hit the three and can't stop open 3's

We.....ugghhhh.....we are so bad. Its exhausting

@benshawks08

It wasn't a compliment

@approxinfinity said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Dave hasn't been the problem today. He's been mediocre.

so if Dave is mediocre what the hell is the rst of these clowns

Dave is probably the best at fadeaway shots in beer pong

Och playing good

Don't think Braun has made a 3 in months

We don't have a guard that will drive

This team needs two scoops of Matt Kleinman.

@DanR said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

We don't have a guard that can drive

Fixed

@approxinfinity said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Dave is probably the best at fadeaway shots in beer pong

Braun is really good at fading out of the game - - meets his ol buddy Wilson and have a great game of beer pong

McCormack is the only reason OSU isn't up 20+ right now. The guards have been absolute shit at getting back on defense tonight and stopping OSU's transition offense.

@BeddieKU23 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Don't think Braun has made a 3 in months

He made one from the jayhawk beak saturday. His problem is he's taking these short threes

@BeddieKU23 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Don't think Braun has made a 3 in months

Yeah...he is in a really massive slump. Hard to be good when Braun and Jalen both are not scoring.

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

McCormack is the only reason OSU isn't up 20+ right now. The guards have been absolute shit at getting back on defense tonight and stopping OSU's transition offense.

^^^^^This

Bill self says no to opiods. Keep putting a team like this on the court and I may not have an option

Wilson has looked slow which isn't something I normally say.

@BShark

29% and dropping past month

@BeddieKU23 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

@BShark

29% and dropping past month

Saving it for Baylor

@bmensch1 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Bill self says no to opiods. Keep putting a team like this on the court and I may not have an option

Lol

@DanR

True. Maybe we should have him stand around half court

@BShark said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

@BeddieKU23 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Don't think Braun has made a 3 in months

Yeah...he is in a really massive slump. Hard to be good when Braun and Jalen both are not scoring.

would be nice if we could be at least average

@benshawks08 yes!

Weirdly, I still think we're going to win this

@benshawks08

We'd be down 30 playing Baylor like this

@BeddieKU23 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

@DanR

True. Maybe we should have him stand around half court

braun isn't Trae Young lmao

Braun has hit the sophomore slump. Sit him, play Harris at the 1, slide Garrett to the 2 and let him lock down Cunningham.

@DanR weirdo

@BeddieKU23 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

@benshawks08

We'd be down 30 playing Baylor like this

oh close game

Every effing shot is short.

Dave has taken the Tarik Black throw in slam and stretched in to about 10 feet

@jayballer67

Only 10 3s from tying

Can't even bank one in

wilson 2-6 - - -Braun 2-6

Was that a pass or a shot from Braun?

@BeddieKU23 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

@jayballer67

Only 10 3s from tying

This is how my grandma thinks when KU is winning. Never comfortable.

Gotta kick that out, Dave

Dave with the one on 3

@BeddieKU23 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

@jayballer67

Only 10 3s from tying

Dam think I'll hang around if we only need 10

How is that not a foul?

OSU getting cocky!

Here we come.

Wilson smacked in the face

Getting close to Jalen getting his 10 straight time!!!!

There's 2

@bmensch1 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Was that a pass or a shot from Braun?

if he makes it - - it's a shot - -other then that it is a pass whether a shot or not lmao

@bmensch1 I'm drinking that kool-aid

And just like that Wilson found Tom hanks

boy this iteam is flat out shit

30-6

And just like that we suck

@approxinfinity said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

@bmensch1 I'm drinking that kool-aid

I'm gonna drink Bourbon -- you keep the kool aid

Ouch

Major walk

@BeddieKU23 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

And just like that we suck

this just in - -we have sucked all night

Oh sure not a walk

Braun saw me talking shit

down 11 and making our big move....

Get this tingle digits

Well, as others predicted, OSU has cooled off from 3 - 1 for the last 7. Alas, the lead hasn't changed....

I tingle for single

@BeddieKU23 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Oh sure not a walk

ok guys. anyone have any eligibility ? - -come on speak up - - jet you down lol

Close to being an offensive foul there on wilson. Definitely had the hook.

Felt like Garrett was fouled pretty badly on his last turnover.

Head injury Garrett has just been terrible

@DCHawker

You wouldn't believe me but we are playing zone

@approxinfinity said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

I tingle for single

Fat fingers and waiting for something to happen

@BeddieKU23 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

@DCHawker

You wouldn't believe me but we are playing zone

Bob Huggins approves.

@DanR said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Head injury Garrett has just been terrible

What's worse? Head injury or ankle injury Marcus

I laughed at the zone D, but then it worked. You da man, Bill.

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

@BeddieKU23 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

@DCHawker

You wouldn't believe me but we are playing zone

Bob Huggins approves.

huggins no games for the next 3

@BeddieKU23 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

@DCHawker

You wouldn't believe me but we are playing zone

Technically....we are IN a zone defense. I don't think anyone wearing blue jerseys are really playing tonight

I can say one thing. The comedic value of this thread tonight far exceeds how they are playing

Nothing more awkward than a guard taking that zone busting shot from the freethrow line.

you want another laugh - - - another turnover

fwiw - we do have the edge - 3-2 - in credited blocked shots. Alas, that's the only statistical advantage....

Jalen loves his turnovers

Let's sit back and reflect on the fact that at some point tonight we said "thank God big Dave came to play tonight" that is never a good thing

Getting outhustled

Just take care of the ball

Nice Mitch

4-17 23.5 % from the 3

Jalen?

Baylor guards licking their chops on both ends.

That missed 3 was as good as a turnover

No words

Fast break points on Monday may be 68-4

Their guards are better than ours tonight and we are only guards.

Can Dave jump? I know its been asked before.

Dave had the area behind the backboard boxed out on that rebound

i know I've said this before - - good time to self impose one year ban from the NCAA tourney

Can't wait for the post game

Let's "see" - they've cooled off considerably - 1-8 on the treys the second half and well under 50% shooting. And, yet, their lead has increased....

@jayballer67 I'll drink some bourbon to that.

@benshawks08 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Can Dave jump? I know its been asked before.

There has to be an ADA law that allows Dave to use a step stool in the restricted area.

@DCHawker

We like to turn the ball over and miss open shots. And then on defense. Well I couldn't tell you what the plan is

@DCHawker said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Let's "see" - they've cooled off considerably - 1-8 on the treys the second half and well under 50% shooting. And, yet, their lead has increased....

What's cooler than cool

@BeddieKU23 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Can't wait for the post game

lol - - I can

Cade Cunningham is pretty good.

Kansas definitely didn't wake up dangerous today

@BeddieKU23 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Kansas definitely didn't wake up dangerous today

Unless you check the covid stats

I'm not yelling or saying a word, but my wife and my dog have left the room. Non believers.

@BeddieKU23 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

@DCHawker

We like to turn the ball over and miss open shots. And then on defense. Well I couldn't tell you what the plan is

when you were a kid did you ever play the game Chinese fire drill ? - -that's what our defense looks like lol

Can't piss into the ocean right now

Why did I sign up for ESPN+? What a stupid thing to do.

@BShark

4-17 from 3. Fools gold

We're only down 15, for crying out loud. Let's go.

OK, 16

To come back 15 you need to play defense.

Dam David with 18 of whatever the hell we got

@DanR said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

We're only down 15, for crying out loud. Let's go.

If we were up 15....I still wouldn't think we'd win this

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA? DID you hear that? One of KUs best rosters!!!

yippee another travel

Down 16. Feed the post. Good stuff

Walk.

Bench sucking big time

Oh. We get the walks.

@approxinfinity said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

To come back 15 you need to play defense.

please tell me what that is so I can relay that to the team

Enaruna thought he was going to the Netherlands

Tristan only walked 3 times.

Triangle and 2 time.

@BeddieKU23 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Enaruna thought he was going to the Netherlands

lmao

Okie light might be able to run this out just with shot clock violations

Need to start fouling now.

In all seriousness guys really. - -This has got to be our worst team in how long ? - - -6-7-8 years I'm serious

@DanR said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Okie light might be able to run this out just with shot clock violations

And their lead would still grow. Somehow

Gotta be better statistically than our d

Bye bye road win streak. We hardly knew ye

Either kenpom drinks a lot or something because this d is ranked in the top 15

@jayballer67 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

In all seriousness guys really. - -This has got to be our worst team in how long ? - - -6-7-8 years I'm serious

Two years ago.

@jayballer67 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

In all seriousness guys really. - -This has got to be our worst team in how long ? - - -6-7-8 years I'm serious

Dedric year was pretty bad. Wiggins without beed a close 2nd

@approxinfinity

Blame it on @drgnslayr thread. Just kidding by the way

@BeddieKU23 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Either kenpom drinks a lot or something because this d is ranked in the top 15

Dam team defense really down across the board huh ?

This team is simply lacking athletes, period.

@BeddieKU23 kenpom is punking you. "KU Deez Nuts!"

@BeddieKU23 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Either kenpom drinks a lot or something because this d is ranked in the top 15

I'm just not sure how that is possible.

@jayballer67

Swiss cheese like

3rd chance points.

Here we go!

@approxinfinity said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

@BeddieKU23 kenpom is punking you. "KU Deez Nuts!"

I mean i guess the AP has us in the top 10 so...

A 3 to bring it to 9?????

Dam david Score Block rebound - - can he fly ?

Were gonna be down 8?????

@benshawks08

Pom has KU outside the top 10 overall

@jayballer67 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Dam david Score Block rebound - - can he fly ?

He can fall with style

Woulda been nice to get a 3 pt play there..

Literally was typing a slam on Tristan, and there he goes!

I always knew we had a chance....I never lost faith

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

@jayballer67 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Dam david Score Block rebound - - can he fly ?

He can fall with style

oh well hell he can see the rest of the team when he falls

Refs like. Yeah we need to get Oklahoma to bonus

Ref doesn't like James Harden

A 3 to bring it to 5????????

Jesus. Dribbling is optional.

Walkie Okie, LOL. Gotta get to the pros for that step back

Maybe bryce should have tweaked rhe back again

Thompson dude.

seven

Bryce should be on the bench right now

Agbaji

Airball

five

Woo

Dam Marcus made it

Garrett dribbled his guy into the floor

Where was this all game? lol

And Dan was like we're gonna win this and I was like :hundred_points: that's how I remember it.

Cade. You can cry to nba refs soon

Bill like, "See if you try we can NOT suck!"

Under 5 minutes.....know what that means? Jalen effing Wilson time

@approxinfinity Dan is always positive! Never gives up! Fan

not watching is Braun on the floor ?

@jayballer67 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

not watching is Braun on the floor ?

Nope

@jayballer67 He wasn't

@BeddieKU23 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Cade. You can cry to nba refs soon

Getting in his practice.

Get a stop. Its on

Cade watched osu flipper of all time

MCCORMACK

Good d dave

Thompson learning by playing through though.

Big Dave, you are doing great.

three

Dave is WORKING

Omg

GARRETT

one

TRAVEL

I mean sure Marcus

Embiid has 45, 16, 4, and 5 tonight btw

Yeah baby

Theyre gased!

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Embiid has 45, 16, 4, and 5 tonight btw

Is that good?

YOU KNOW WHAT HASN'T HAPPENED DURING THIS - - WHERE IS cUNNINGHAM ?

Dave needs a break. Good timeout

@approxinfinity said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Theyre gased!

Wore em down by allowing all those fast break points. Big brain.

College basketball is silly this year

@benshawks08 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Embiid has 45, 16, 4, and 5 tonight btw

Is that good?

holy crap

Uh Oh!

RockChalk

We rocky 4'd them. Let them sprint up the floor 20 times on fast breaks to wear them out. Genius bill...freaking genius. Thats the best defensive game plan I've ever seen

Dave for all the crap I talk has had a couple streaks where he has looked really good tonight.

@benshawks08 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

@approxinfinity said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Theyre gased!

Wore em down by allowing all those fast break points. Big brain.
Bill had that planned all along lol

@approxinfinity

That last basket was hitting fire on nba jams

@approxinfinity Playing GREAT down the stretch. better than mediocre right now

all of a sudden we stopped turning it over and got back on d

Let's Go

Who was out, Braun or Wilson?

@Crimsonorblue22

Braun

Triangle and 2 is OP

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I like Tristan's contribution

Are you yanking my duddie

@RockChalkinTexas :hundred_points: good spark!

ONE!!

Great d by och there

@approxinfinity said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

@RockChalkinTexas :hundred_points: good spark!

Me or him🤣?

Everytime we stunt a double they flinch and do something dumb w the ball

bryce is just in there for the havoc...

@RockChalkinTexas said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

I like Tristan's contribution

Two BIG buckets

Bryce's work ethic should never be questioned.

Way to shove em over Dave. NO ONES BALL!

Rut roh

Yeah didn't he just have a back injury? Big dude flopped right on that back

Oh no!

That's a foul

You can't land on a dude like that

Dude jumped on Bryce

Seems like Marcus has decided he can play point and score too

Bryce got destroyed on that play

@Kubie

Someone bumped his head and he woke up

These hawks don't like to lose. Gotta give em that.

Wow bryce hurt.

Bill drawing up an invisible play

Is Bryce Thompson the next lester earl? Just injury bug bitten

Announcer has no idea what triangle and 2 is

MCCORMACK

Who is this Dave guy? I like him

MCCMORMACK

HOLY CRAP

DAVEY BUCKETS

You kidding me? Dave. Dave?

these lasat 3 games crazy for Dave

David. Goliath

THREE!!!!

@jayballer67 you must be ahead of me a bit

Dave where have you been? I woke up and it was all just a bad dream!

Dave on both ends, just insane.

@DanR

You sir get the game ball tonight

And all the negative stuff he put up with!

Maybe this is what Bill saw when he said best player?

Whats the run....21-2?

So glad I got ESPN+

zero

just what we didn't need - - - DAM

Ukelele suck

Imagine switching Dave onto a guard lmao

@BShark said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Dave on both ends, just insane.

doing everything

@KirkIsMyHinrich

I'm old enough to remember when you said opposite. Lol

Ok Bill work your magic 🚨

@jayballer67 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

@BShark said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Dave on both ends, just insane.

doing everything

That close out under the basket was big time.

Fouls to give

His foot was on the line, review it.

CHECK CHECK CHECK CHECKMATE

No fouls

Wilson allowed to be human for a game. We got this

Deserved loss

How

Why MG?

HATE that take from Marcus

So much bad there. Tristan didn't even jump

Of course it had to be a fast break started by Cunningham.

Travel

Travel!

If we let Marcus shoot 3s with thr game on the line. Thats what you get

Travel city

Garrett playing hero ball when that's not his strength.

@BeddieKU23 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

If we let Marcus shoot 3s with thr game on the line. Thats what you get

Gotta figure out how to get Och that look instead.

Self called play

Well. Dave was great.

Why did I get ESPN+

@approxinfinity said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Well. Dave was great.

Almost brought us back

@KirkIsMyHinrich 3 more games

Wow let's get a 3!!!

Are you guys ahead of me? Still our ball down three

Did Och think time was running out?

Why not mitch to shoot from halfcourt?

I'm at 3.7 seconds

Get it to braun for the killer three

@benshawks08 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Did Och think time was running out?

yep

Jeez

It was off four Okies

Reviewing it when no Kansas player is within 10 feet

Yeah och had time to pump fake and wide open look. It's ok.

@benshawks08

Nfl like

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Jalen please

Great take from Ochai sometimes you just miss.

Read somewhere in college hoops it's actually statistally more successful to not foul here.

Jeez Marcus

Time out, ffs, marcus

What a good pass

@BeddieKU23 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

What a good pass

Lead to a cool dunk...

Need to rest Garrett another week for the head injury

That boy ain't right!

Sad sad game

@DanR

He only had temporary recovery

Well good effort on the comeback at least. Just need to keep getting better.

Braun was wide open for a bit and Marcus just missed it.

Somehow I knew we wouldn't even get a shot off, and I'm pretty optimistic

@BShark

Not a PG.. hero ball failed

David 24 points - - -12 rebounds - - 3 blocks - - & 3 assists

I'm not mad at all. We went from looking like doo doo to looking like a team that was improving. Besides Dave we saw some clutch minutes from Enaruna and Thompson

Espn transitioning to the zion interview portion

Night. Can't take the slobbering all over CC.

Really too bad to come all the way back and be up 3, then give up the last 8 of the game...

@DCHawker

Bad tease

Yeah..game was super winnable. Then a brick layer drains a three. And then...Marcus...

Winnable game even down to the last minute, then a total meltdown.

Also said brick layer traveled there, but w/e. Murder them in Lawrence.

Kentucky down 12 in Rupp at half. Are we still happy about those things?

@BeddieKU23 yes always

I know we can't play Dave some times but man the kid has come around where would we have been without his 24

I don't think Marcus plays hero ball at all!

@BeddieKU23 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

Kentucky down 12 in Rupp at half. Are we still happy about those things?

I know I am

@BShark

I think I'm old enough to remember the last time we played well at home

Duke lost - -Kentucky down big at home - -& North Carolina not ranked in top 25

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I can't even

Wilson & Braun - -5-14 - - - 1-8 - -and 11 points

@BShark

Addition by subtraction next yr?

@BShark said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

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I can't even

Yup!!! I was screaming at my TV!!!! Marcus is not Devonte or Frank. Stop with the hero crap!

I felt he was fouled but like, don't leave it up to college refs lol.

@BeddieKU23 If we can find another guard, probably. It doesn't help that Marcus is playing out of position.

@BShark said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

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I can't even

You know bill told him to drive it. And I'm sure he'd been harping on them all game to drive to SCORE because all our drives had been so pathetic all game. Gotta be good enough to find that pass though.

Real talk we were only in that game because of the triangle and 2. Does anyone else in college hoops play that? I've never really seen it anywhere else but it's possible I just watch more KU basketball than other teams.

I didn’t hate Marcus driving it. After all, he put us up by getting to the rim. Have to pass out of that though.

@benshawks08

I don't recall seeing it, watch a lot of games during the year.

@BeddieKU23 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

@benshawks08

I don't recall seeing it, watch a lot of games during the year.

I mean, it won us a national championship. Not sure why there aren't more copy cats.

@benshawks08

Definitely something self pulls out the bag of tricks every so often

Marcus had some great drives. Just wish he had the sense the last one wasn't to his advantage.

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Well shit

@BShark oh man.

Tyon hurt his shoulder. Not sure that explains his play

huge problem this year also - - this team has no idenity ? - - Who are we ? - -we gave up 37 fast break points last night - - -THIRTY SEVEN - -that is just NOT acceptable - - THIRTY SEVEN ! ! ! almost half of their points, I mean come on. When is the last time a Bill Self team has given up that kind of fast break points.

How does a breakdown of that magnitude happen? - - lazy ? - -no communication ? - -No basic basketball IQ ? that for a KU team is just flat out embarrassing, there should be no excuse WHY a team gives up 37 fast break points EVER , and Bill best be relaying that to these guys to make it perfectly clear that it better NEVER happen again. that's sickening.

Exactly who is this team go to bucket getter this year? Jalen ? - - No. - - Christan ? - - No. - -Oachi ? -- No - -they are all good shooters BUT not neccessarily bucket getters. - -Like I heard just a few ago , Dotson was a bucket getter , Devonte was a bucket getter , maybe not the fastest dude but the guy could find ways to get THAT BUCKET in Crunch time. - - Frank could find ways to get that HUGE bucket in crunch time - -WE do NOT have that this year.

Like they said THIS YEAR we might as well face it Ku is going to live and die by the 3 - - - 5/21 - -4/20 in big 12 play is NOT going to get you wins in the Big 12. - -This team is a frustrating team to watch.

Long scoring droughts -- piss poor shooting stretches - - times where we are a turnover machine looking for a place to happen. - - Then the opposite , just lights out from the three - - getting multiple Steals - -getting out and run -- -crazy on defense - - at times like lat night after being down and buried smacking the other team right in the mouth like last night 21-2 run BUT then turn right around and go brain dead a pass to who? - -leaving a guy WIDE WIDE open for the tying 3 even though he IS a 28% shooter dammit you still got to make an attempt - - this = frustration. - -Hard to get pumped for the season when you have these things going on.

Just really frustrating after going through our annual bashing every week during the football Season so you look forward to Basketball and ew have games like this - -test you for sure but as always I'm STILL here to say - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

I always tell you that I don't get nervous until the last minute. Paid off last night.....until the last minute.

Thought I'd just put this here so people no matter what will still be able to twist things around and STILL try to make it look like Dave shouldn't play - - how poor he plays, see this way still be able to try and find holes - -so anyways they can feel justified by continuing to throw the shade at him but anyways here you go:

David is tied for team lead in blocks - - - He is shooting 45.6 which I believe is the 2nd best % on the team and above the team average of 44 % - - Dave leads the team in Free Throw % at 84 % - - - Scoring 12.1 per game which is solid , - - Averages 6.2 rpg per game 2nd on the team behind Wilson - - - -1 block per game ( Could be better ) - - -Less turnovers then Wilson & Braun & he turns the ball over once like every 12 minutes -- not the leader as far as turning the ball over either - - Wilson leads that. - -Pretty decent stats to me , but who am I - people will still find flaws and say he doesn't deserve to play - - pretty sad, where would we have been WITHOUT his 24/12/3 last night? - - -hmmmm

@jayballer67 Stats don't tell the whole story. Also, he's 4th in FG% of rotation players :
1. Chris Teahan G
2. Mitch Lightfoot F
3. Latrell Jossell G
4. Tristan Enaruna G
5. Gethro Muscadin F
6. Jalen Wilson F
7. David McCormack F

Your center is supposed to have the highest FG% on the team. Anyone who only shoots 2's needs to have a high FG%, especially when their usage is absurdly high. That's what we've been saying all season; that doesn't change.

He has been historically bad this season on offense up until the last few games, and bad on defense as well. However, he was great in the last 10 minutes of yesterday's game. His stat line of 24/12/3 was legit. He carried us on offense, and he played good defense down the stretch. He squared up his body when he shot his baby hook, he didn't settle for bad shots, his 3 assists meant he wasn't a black hole when we passed it in. Rim protection was nice. He played within the flow.

To expound on your point, if he can build on this, and be THIS Dave every game, he can be a big part of our success, and his cumulative stats by season's end could be much better.

@jayballer67 where would we have been WITHOUT his 24/12/3 last night?

We probably would have lost. Oh, wait...

The pieces to this team don't fit and its not a good shooting team. Every loss or close game is because the offense stinks. When everyone plays well or to expectation this team can compete and win any game. But if you have 1-2 starter struggling a game, consistently, games like Tuesday are going to happen a lot more. For every good shooting game we have we seem to have 2-3 bad ones.
There's no margin for error and that's where other issues pop up.

Self's been harping that this team doesn't get easy baskets, they don't. They rely on half court offense. He's been harping they don't run and get out in transition, they don't. We let other teams do that against us though. Oklahoma St got 30 easy points. Oklahoma had 7 I think Self said after that game.

The pieces don't fit and Self doesn't have anywhere else to go. Bryce is hurt again so there was his first guard off the bench. Mitch has his moments where he can be good but he plays limited minutes for a reason. Enaruna has ramped up his energy level and is starting to get it. Maybe he continues to rise like Braun did in conference play last year. Harris has been a bright spot in certain games but a non-factor in others. He's a freshman having freshman moments. And he's completely unplayable next to Garrett due to how bad the offense is.

The rise of McCormack's play has come at a cost. He's averaging historic usage under Self. As great as his offense was against Oklahoma St, his defense was so detrimental for periods of time that Self had to play zone and triangle and two. But he couldn't sit him because he was scoring and the only guy scoring consistently. Gift and a curse.

Hopefully Self can figure some things out with this offense and figure out how to get all 5 guys on the same page. He needs 3 guys every single night to get their average or more.

@BeddieKU23 said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

The pieces to this team don't fit and its not a good shooting team. Every loss or close game is because the offense stinks. When everyone plays well or to expectation this team can compete and win any game. But if you have 1-2 starter struggling a game, consistently, games like Tuesday are going to happen a lot more. For every good shooting game we have we seem to have 2-3 bad ones.
There's no margin for error and that's where other issues pop up.

Self's been harping that this team doesn't get easy baskets, they don't. They rely on half court offense. He's been harping they don't run and get out in transition, they don't. We let other teams do that against us though. Oklahoma St got 30 easy points. Oklahoma had 7 I think Self said after that game.

The pieces don't fit and Self doesn't have anywhere else to go. Bryce is hurt again so there was his first guard off the bench. Mitch has his moments where he can be good but he plays limited minutes for a reason. Enaruna has ramped up his energy level and is starting to get it. Maybe he continues to rise like Braun did in conference play last year. Harris has been a bright spot in certain games but a non-factor in others. He's a freshman having freshman moments. And he's completely unplayable next to Garrett due to how bad the offense is.

The rise of McCormack's play has come at a cost. He's averaging historic usage under Self. As great as his offense was against Oklahoma St, his defense was so detrimental for periods of time that Self had to play zone and triangle and two. But he couldn't sit him because he was scoring and the only guy scoring consistently. Gift and a curse.

Hopefully Self can figure some things out with this offense and figure out how to get all 5 guys on the same page. He needs 3 guys every single night to get their average or more.

I think your laying a little to much blame on the defensive end on David - -David is an easy target to do so, it was far more nad has been far more then Dave on the defensive end that sucks. - This team is not anywhere close as a TEAM defensively as teams past. I've seen to many blown defensive assignments on the outer/back court once again wide open 3's - -your guards not getting back on defense to help prevent fast break points - -All I need to refer to is the number 37 , can't blame that on Dave as he is trying to hit boards for rebounds. - -Lot bigger kettle to this defensive mess then Dave

@tundrahok said in Okie Lite Game Thread:

@jayballer67 where would we have been WITHOUT his 24/12/3 last night?

We probably would have lost. Oh, wait...

No we would of had our ass handed to us on a platter

@approxinfinity Dave has been doing this for more then one game now , he has played since Coach has went back more to the conventional Big he is use to playing , over the last THREE games Dave has averaged 20.3 ppg - - -7 rpg's and 2.3 blocks per. I know ALOT to teams that would be more then happy with that.

Other games where other teams don't have that traditional big sure he hasn't played as much more of the four around one Coach knows this - - - Dave knows this - - You know this - -I know this he can't play, not his fault for that. - -and actually no he is not the 4th in rotational players.

Wilson : - - 48 %
McCormack : - - 45.6
Ochai : - - 44%
Braun: - - -40 %
Garrett; - -41.4 %

Sure Lightfoot & Enaruna have better % but they are playing far less and have taken way many attempts , so to that point would have to say wrong. Could he do better ? - - HELL YA but come on Could Braun do better - Hell 40 % shooting? - -that's not good to some extent every single player on this team could sure do better. you win as a team - - you lose as a team it's just that seems like Dave is an easy target for some to blame. - -I think to a point people plain and simple just got way to spoiled from Doke and his high shooting % of 1-2 foot flushes - -enhancing his ppg and rim protection & now SOME and I'm saying some so people don't go and get your panties all in a knot I didn't say everyone but some think anything else is unacceptable and again David becomes that easy target, when we have played the traditional then Dave has done ok and getting better.

Do I feel we should play that way all the time? -- HELL NO you play to the setting. - -like has been said Again for this years squad our make up this year , this team is going to live and die by the 3, so maybe we should start talking a little more about what our outside players are doing or better yet what they are NOT doing.