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The NCAA said the KU case plus the others should wrap up within the next 12 months. Sure it will. Sure it will

@BeddieKU23 said in IARP update:

The NCAA said the KU case plus the others should wrap up within the next 12 months. Sure it will. Sure it will

Yeah, I believe that about as much as the NCAA extending Mark Emmert's contract.

@tis4tim said in IARP update:

@BeddieKU23 said in IARP update:

The NCAA said the KU case plus the others should wrap up within the next 12 months. Sure it will. Sure it will

Yeah, I believe that about as much as the NCAA extending Mark Emmert's contract.

Biggest joke that's happened in sports this year

@BeddieKU23 said in IARP update:

Biggest joke that’s happened in sports this year

And I think you just made the biggest understatement of the year. Wouldn't we all love to be so incompetent and still get a contract extension?

12 more months to wrap up an investigation into things that happened going on four years ago now? At this point, even if they do find wrongdoing, what are the appropriate penalties?

Preston is gone from KU. The coach that primarily recruited him is also gone.

The big names from other schools like Duke and Arizona are playing out the last years of their rookie contract by next spring, or working on extensions. What's the point in pursuing those schools. Zona has a new coach, also. The investigations are taking so long that, if they decide to penalize anyone, they are penalizing kids that were freshmen and sophomores in high school when the events that led to any penalties actually happened.

This is beyond ridiculous. At this point its just silly.

Sounds like the NCAA to me.

It is absurd. They apparently do not have a damn thing, so "hey, let's just drag it out guys! What do you say?" Which makes it to where even if we received nothing we have still received something, it screwing us on the recruiting trail for going on years now. Just think how bad things would be if we didn't have master recruiter Self.

@justanotherfan said in IARP update:

12 more months to wrap up an investigation into things that happened going on four years ago now? At this point, even if they do find wrongdoing, what are the appropriate penalties?

Preston is gone from KU. The coach that primarily recruited him is also gone.

NCAA is going to send someone to Lawrence real soon to measure those skid marks from when Preston crashed his car in 2017

Does anyone realize the IARP is not a direct part of the NCAA? I am not sure the NCAA has any control of the timeline. The fact that they issued a statement at all seems very odd to me. What contacts are they relying on within this "independent" body, or were they just stating a conjecture about a general expectation? That would explain the year as an outside guess.

A lot of unknowns with this still.

@mayjay said in IARP update:

Does anyone realize the IARP is not a direct part of the NCAA? I am not sure the NCAA has any control of the timeline. The fact that they issued a statement at all seems very odd to me. What contacts are they relying on within this "independent" body, or were they just stating a conjecture about a general expectation? That would explain the year as an outside guess.

@mayjay So they say, an Independent review panel. I don't buy it.

@Marco

I could be wrong but from the way I understand it, it is a board of prosecuting lawyers that have impunity for their actions. They can make any claim they want and lay down a ruling. KU has no opportunity to appeal.

This is so anti-American. I do believe KU had to agree to this path. I can't understand why a school would open themselves up to such a potential for complete 100% corruption.

What I feel comfortable saying is that we don't know the whole story... and I'm sure that goes for the incidents that brought this attack to how the process has lead to this.

I wonder if Kansas has been threatened by the NCAA... forcing them to go towards IARP. IARP is such a distortion away from a justice path that it surely could be challenged in a federal court and knocked down. But was Kansas forced into this path?

It is my opinion that Kansas is preparing to go to federal court when the time is ripe. I think extending on Self's contract was a glimpse into where the institution of Kansas has their support. And I know Self is a fighter and he won't tolerate getting the shaft.

One last thought... in the federal investigation... which is THE legal standard (not a kangaroo legal path like IARP), Kansas was found to be a VICTIM in this case. I'm imagining this ruling is worth a great deal in seeking a just remedy in a federal court after IARP delivers their ruling and consequences.

@drgnslayr Do your homework on what the IARP is and how they operate and who recommended this case go that route first (hint, not the NCAA) instead of spouting off a bunch of uninformed opinions and misinformation.

The IAPR is not paid for by the NCAA and the NCAA cannot force a program into having their fate decided by the IARP. If the NCAA did attempt to force a school into having their case heard by the IARP and a school refused, that's called coercion and the NCAA isn't stupid enough to do that knowing they would be sued for that for hundreds of millions of dollars in damages.

If the NCAA did financially back the IARP, why the hell would any school agree to have their case go that route knowing the decision can't be appealed?

KU is the party that initiated the request that this case go to the IARP, not the other way around. Covid based locked downs and restrictions are what have slowed this process down. The IARP also has much more capabilities to get access to information the NCAA doesn't have the ability to do because of the backgrounds of committee members such as former FBI agents, former SEC (not the conference) employees, former NSA agents, and similar backgrounds so these people have a much greater ability to dig into a case and get facts the NCAA never could.

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in IARP update:

@drgnslayr Do your homework on what the IARP is and how they operate and who recommended this case go that route first (hint, not the NCAA) instead of spouting off a bunch of uninformed opinions and misinformation.

The IAPR is not paid for by the NCAA and the NCAA cannot force a program into having their fate decided by the IARP. If the NCAA did attempt to force a school into having their case heard by the IARP and a school refused, that's called coercion and the NCAA isn't stupid enough to do that knowing they would be sued for that for hundreds of millions of dollars in damages.

If the NCAA did financially back the IARP, why the hell would any school agree to have their case go that route knowing the decision can't be appealed?

KU is the party that initiated the request that this case go to the IARP, not the other way around. Covid based locked downs and restrictions are what have slowed this process down. The IARP also has much more capabilities to get access to information the NCAA doesn't have the ability to do because of the backgrounds of committee members such as former FBI agents, former SEC (not the conference) employees, former NSA agents, and similar backgrounds so these people have a much greater ability to dig into a case and get facts the NCAA never could.

You seem to know alot about the IAPR, so I have a question. Who funds them?

@Marco I would recommend you go to the IARP's website and read about how this process works. Both sides will have significant financial investments into the process.

If you want to know who's actually conducting the investigation, look up Berryman Prime LLC, AlixPartners, and Kroll. One of those three forms is who's conducting the investigation so if you think the NCAA can financially influence any of those three companies, good luck with thinking the NCAA has those kind of resources.

@Texas-Hawk-10 Oh, the NCAA has plenty of resources, as well as finance. Just ask all of the athletes who participate even with what they do get all but free-of- charge in the NBA and NFL farm systems. Ofcourse the NCAA has power, influence and resources.

@Texas-Hawk-10

I didn't mention the financial aspect.

As someone who has extensively used our judicial system including working sometimes in the judicial system I can guarantee to you that just because some of these members have the background they have, they do not have more access to information over the NCAA. Garnering information legally is the only way their efforts can hold water in a legal setting and also not break laws.

Not sure why you are telling me KU agreed to this route... I mentioned it in my original post. " I do believe KU had to agree to this path."

Maybe Kansas feels positive of what happened in the federal investigation and thinking go this route will support those findings. That doesn't mean the judgment goes our way. This group can find exactly the same info found in the federal case and come up with a completely different verdict.

I'm trying to imagine how KU's legal team thought it was the route to go where there is no opportunity to appeal the results. Maybe you have an idea why KU would desire to go for this. Sounds like suicide to me unless they know something we don't know. I'm betting they feel they still have a great case for federal court. The very basis of our legal system is to offer appeals. It's anti-American to NOT have an appeal process.

@drgnslayr said in IARP update:

@Texas-Hawk-10

I didn't mention the financial aspect.

As someone who has extensively used our judicial system including working sometimes in the judicial system I can guarantee to you that just because some of these members have the background they have, they do not have more access to information over the NCAA. Garnering information legally is the only way their efforts can hold water in a legal setting and also not break laws.

Maybe Kansas feels positive of what happened in the federal investigation and thinking go this route will support those findings. That doesn't mean the judgment goes our way. This group can find exactly the same info found in the federal case and come up with a completely different verdict.

I'm trying to imagine how KU's legal team thought it was the route to go where there is no opportunity to appeal the results. Maybe you have an idea why KU would desire to go for this. Sounds like suicide to me unless they know something we don't know. I'm betting they feel they still have a great case for federal court. The very basis of our legal system is to offer appeals. It's anti-American to NOT have an appeal process.

This is not a court room and does not follow federal law. The IARP is judging this case based on NCAA bylaws. KU wanted to go this route because the IARP is not the NCAA is not specifically out for blood against KU like the NCAA is. KU at minimum will probably end up vacating the 2018 Final Four and every game Silvio DeSousa played that season because money changed hands in his recruitment making DeSousa ineligible. That much is indisputable. I also wouldn't be surprised if KU vacates the games Cheick Diallo played in as well since he's one of the other players in the report. The hope on KU's part is to avoid a postseason ban and a show cause against Kurtis Townsend, both of which would almost certainly be part of the NCAA's punishments against KU.

You claim to be very familiar with the US legal system and that not being able to appeal a ruling is not American, but yet you fail to realize what legal processes the IARP are analogous to and that's a combination of an arbitration hearing and the Supreme Court. Both KU and the NCAA had to agree to recommend this case to the IARP similar to how cases end up in arbitration. Like the Supreme Court, the IARP gets to decide if they hear any case that gets recommended to them.

Neither one of those types of rulings in the US are appealable so does that mean going to arbitration is not American? Does that mean that the Supreme Court deciding to take a case and ruling on it is not American since Supreme Court rulings are not appealable either?

@Texas-Hawk-10 The decisions are not directly appealable, but organizations are required to follow their own rules. Many federal courts have accepted jurisdiction to review a process ab initio where egregious violations of fundamental concepts of fairness have occurred. I have already extensively analyzed how I think the NCAA's charged stemmed from violations of their own evidentiary and investigative rules. Kansas has not waived its right to sue in federal court, only the right to have the IARP decision reviewed on the merits.

@mayjay said in IARP update:

@Texas-Hawk-10 The decisions are not directly appealable, but organizations are required to follow their own rules. Many federal courts have accepted jurisdiction to review a process ab initio where egregious violations of fundamental concepts of fairness have occurred. I have already extensively analyzed how I think the NCAA's charged stemmed from violations of their own evidentiary and investigative rules. Kansas has not waived its right to sue in federal court, only the right to have the IARP decision reviewed on the merits.

There's only one part of this case KU has any legal ground to file a lawsuit for and that's corporate sponsors being classified as boosters. Even that's not a slam dunk case because of how NCAA bylaws are currently written. That's also something that would come down to letter vs. intent of the rule and probably result in the NCAA having to create a new section of their bylaws specifically regarding corporate sponsors like Adidas, Nike, and Under Armour that provides money to a school. By current letter of the bylaws, Adidas is a booster and there's not any kind of real argument that can be made to dispute that other than that's not the intent of those bylaws.

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@Texas-Hawk-10 Okay, you have decided it so no need for further discussion from me.

@Texas-Hawk-10

First off... I appreciate your responses because I am not up to snuff on IARP and our connection to it.

In our court appellate system, it is typical to have an appeal process for arbitration... but both sides can agree to limit or forbid appeals. In this case, both sides agree to forbid appeals.

The US Supreme Court is the last stop for our appellate process but for typical appeals, the process ends sooner unless there is an area of their case that at least 4 SC justices see as important enough to consider hearing the case to give clarity to an area of the law by granting a writ of certiorari (beginning process to reach the court). The SC has never been about specifically addressing the case of a particular side and ruling an outcome. It is about making sure laws are applied correctly, not (for example) if the evidence weighs heavy enough to sway a decision. That process is conducted through a lower court.

There are two ways a case can reach the US SC... appeals advanced through the circuit courts or possibly appeals from state SCs and by process of original jurisdiction.

In rare situations, the US SC can hear original jurisdiction cases that have not gone through the appeals court process. In most cases, circuit court marks the end of appeals, unless the appeals court decides there is question to whether the lower courts had applied the law correctly in their decisions.

I would like to better understand why Kansas thinks this is the best route to take. And it's not just Kansas, but Louisville and the other programs, too. Maybe it's an admission of partial guilt and they thought this is the most expedient path because we are being punished through the entire delay process. Maybe they feel like we will receive a more impartial verdict from outsiders.

I know you follow this closely and I respect your opinion... why exactly do you think Kansas decided to go this route?

I am not near - nor will I ever be - as informed or versed as others when it comes to the ins and outs or workings of our judicial system and or esoecially the NCAA, but to me what it comes down to is that the case is weak, and I believe that was the reason for KU deciding to go the IARP route. I hope they were right in their decision. Regardless of what happens (look at our recruiting), we have already been punished for going on three years now.

@drgnslayr KU has acknowledged money changed hands during the recruitment of players mentioned in the report so they aren't fighting very hard on those allegations, probably just that KU wasn't aware of the payments. The biggest thing KU is fighting and why they wanted this case to go to the IARP is because of Adidas being ruled a booster. KU is hoping the IARP rules that because the NCAA has never accused a school of this before (along with Louisville and NC State) despite shoe companies being corporate sponsors of programs for decades now, that the NCAA can't begin to selectively apply that rule and overturn those infractions which would have the most serious consequences.

At the end of the day, KU is going to receive some punishment because of Silvio, Preston, and Diallo. Forfeiture of games those guys played in, scholarship reductions, and probation all seem very likely. KU is trying to avoid a postseason ban which is much more likely to happen with the IARP ruling on the case than the NCAA.

The NC State case is the one to watch because that case went to the IARP before ours so will likely be ruled upon before ours. The reason to pay attention to that case is because NC State has a lot of similar accusations against them including Adidas being considered a booster. However the IARP rules on that charge against NCSU is also likely how they'll rule it for KU as well.

At the end of the day KU shouldn't have recruited this trio. They knew it could backfire.

@Texas-Hawk-10

Is my memory failing me... but didn't Kansas acknowledge Adidas as a booster to help bring Silvio back? That was another move I didn't really understand the logic.

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in IARP update:

@drgnslayr KU has acknowledged money changed hands during the recruitment of players mentioned in the report so they aren't fighting very hard on those allegations, probably just that KU wasn't aware of the payments. The biggest thing KU is fighting and why they wanted this case to go to the IARP is because of Adidas being ruled a booster. KU is hoping the IARP rules that because the NCAA has never accused a school of this before (along with Louisville and NC State) despite shoe companies being corporate sponsors of programs for decades now, that the NCAA can't begin to selectively apply that rule and overturn those infractions which would have the most serious consequences.

At the end of the day, KU is going to receive some punishment because of Silvio, Preston, and Diallo. Forfeiture of games those guys played in, scholarship reductions, and probation all seem very likely. KU is trying to avoid a postseason ban which is much more likely to happen with the IARP ruling on the case than the NCAA.

The NC State case is the one to watch because that case went to the IARP before ours so will likely be ruled upon before ours. The reason to pay attention to that case is because NC State has a lot of similar accusations against them including Adidas being considered a booster. However the IARP rules on that charge against NCSU is also likely how they'll rule it for KU as well.

Yahtzee! And if Adidas is a booster then what about Nike and Under Armor? And was it KU that gave the money? What about Zion, what about Ayton? I don't think the NCAA really wants to open this can....

@drgnslayr said in IARP update:

@Texas-Hawk-10

Is my memory failing me... but didn't Kansas acknowledge Adidas as a booster to help bring Silvio back? That was another move I didn't really understand the logic.

Because KU is laying bare the entire system, the way it works and how the gears turn and are oiled. How the NCAA picks and chooses.

Sometimes my motives come out slowly... especially if I am not well versed on the subject.

*Has anyone implicated the NCAA as a co-conspirator in these trials? Especially concerning Zion? With the level of corruption today being so rampant... why wouldn't we vision the possibility the NCAA is corrupt beyond just being inept? Why would money and perhaps gifts come in the direction of the NCAA?

Who buys the theory that the NCAA is basically a bunch of "stupid saints?"

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10002000-zion-williamsons-family-was-paid-by-adidas-in-2016-17-court-documents-show ↗

At what point can we state that ineptness or some closet animosity towards certain programs just doesn't hold water as to explaining actions?

Sounds like Louisville's sentence could be released today

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So uh...yeah...

@BShark Tough being a bag man in college hoops these days... Can't even get officials to pay a few hundred thousand to sweep something under the rug.

The first case for IARP was resolved today. NC St received 1 yr probation. Former coaches received show cause penalties.

Maybe they try slapping probation on our players from receiving outside sponsorships? (bad joke)

@BeddieKU23 said in IARP update:

The first case for IARP was resolved today. NC St received 1 yr probation. Former coaches received show cause penalties.

ya I posted this also , saying I think if people think we are getting out of this clean as a whistle, I think they are in for a surprise They got show cause with TWO level one violations - -Gottfried got a year show cause - -I think there is a very good chance of Bill getting TWO year show cause , multiple year probation and one year post season ban - -If NC State is getting thsi for TWO level one's I just think the IARP and the NCAA are trying to make themselves look good and make an example out of KU. NC State Assistant got SIX years of Show Cause -I could see our Assistant getting as much and more likely then not removal from staff. - -we ARE NOT getting off scott free. this with NC State pretty much shows as much

No one yet has explained to me why other cases, with active distribution of money by coaches, are directly applicable to ours.

The sad part is that nothing the NCAA nor IARP does makes any sense.
So, who knows how Kansas will be punished, and when.

Read more about the penalities on NC State today. - -Kind of Confusing s I thought they were charged with two level one violations. - - This article that I read from another KU site said they had 5 Level one , 4 level two and two level three violations.

Reduction of Scholarships in 22/23 yr. Vacating any wins that Smith played in. - -They said the level of the violations were severe enough and they considered post season ban - -BUT they considered post season play and being banned from that but said they took into consideration that they didn't want to punish the current ,members of the team for the past BUT did want the School to be aware of the severe of the violations. -- hmmmm that sounds good/promising

I don't like that fact that we can't contest the outcome. To trust anything to these people with questionable motives seems completely irrational and risky.

@jayballer67 said in IARP update:

This article that I read from another KU site said they had 5 Level one , 4 level two and two level three violations.

So... an inside straight! lol

@drgnslayr said in IARP update:

@jayballer67 said in IARP update:

This article that I read from another KU site said they had 5 Level one , 4 level two and two level three violations.

So... an inside straight! lol

lol - - -ya buddy

The NC State ruling was the one I was most interested in because that's the most similar case to KU's. No post season ban for NC State is encouraging for what should be coming in regards to KU's punishment.

I'm still expecting KU to have to vacate the 2017-18 games Silvio played in which obviously includes the Final Four banner that season along with probation and scholarship reductions. I'm also expecting Townsend to get hit with a show-cause tag, maybe not 6 years because it doesn't appear like the case is as strong against him as it was against Orlando Early. I will also be curious if Self gets a 1 year show-cause.

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in IARP update:

The NC State ruling was the one I was most interested in because that's the most similar case to KU's. No post season ban for NC State is encouraging for what should be coming in regards to KU's punishment.

I'm still expecting KU to have to vacate the 2017-18 games Silvio played in which obviously includes the Final Four banner that season along with probation and scholarship reductions. I'm also expecting Townsend to get hit with a show-cause tag, maybe not 6 years because it doesn't appear like the case is as strong against him as it was against Orlando Early. I will also be curious if Self gets a 1 year show-cause.

The biggest reason NC State did not get hit with post season ban was, the IARP considered it but came to the conclussion that they didn't want to punish the current members of the team , but yet wanted to make it clear to NC State how serious these were , which is about the only good thing I see as far as we go - -they don't get post ban I don't think we will either. As it boils down to the same amount of Level one - which is 5. - -I think Townsend WILL be hit with show cause and if not the same amount then just a little less, he will be lucky to retain his job, as I think the University it'self when this is said and done will let him go if nothing else to try and make themselves look better.

I fully believe the NCAA/IARP is looking to make an example of the BIG FISH in this case ( KU ) to put fear in the other Schools to show them they mean business on violations - -I think it's bullshit but the NCAA has had it in for KU for some time, -with the IARP and them together they want KU to pay well the NCAA does. - I can see probation multiple years maybe 2 and I also think Coach Self will get show cause just like Gottfried. - -Either way I think we will find out something before to much longer. I guess these cases were handed over to the IARP and in order it was NC State - -then Memphis -- Then KU after that so it could be not to much longer. hoping for the best

@mayjay said in IARP update:

No one yet has explained to me why other cases, with active distribution of money by coaches, are directly applicable to ours.

Uno!

Yes... makes sense IARP throws the book at us:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/mac/2022/01/06/caleb-williams-one-million-dollar-nil-offer-eastern-michigan/9124475002/ ↗

@drgnslayr said in IARP update:

Yes... makes sense IARP throws the book at us:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/mac/2022/01/06/caleb-williams-one-million-dollar-nil-offer-eastern-michigan/9124475002/ ↗

Yahtzee! What I tell you about NIL? Leave Oklahoma where you already had a massive NIL deal (even though Riley left) and sign with.... Eastern Michigan? And after next season, where to? Lol. He will, afterall, only be a true sophomore.

It is starting to smell, is it not? I mean, why punish anyone for any previous violations at this point or even have an NCAA? Or, do we actually need a governing body with rules? Things to ponder...

Rumors are flying Self and Townsend getting suspended for the next two postseasons

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@FarmerJayhawk i will boycott basketball.

@approxinfinity LOL! I wonder how many people actually moved to other countries after the 2016 and 2020 elections?

@mayjay i will boycott though. The love will be beaten out of me if kansas gets a ban.

@approxinfinity said in IARP update:

@mayjay i will boycott though. The love will be beaten out of me if kansas gets a ban.

To be clear, only Self and Townsend. KU would still play

@FarmerJayhawk said in IARP update:

Rumors are flying Self and Townsend getting suspended for the next two postseasons

Dam - usually where there is smoke there is fire- - that sucks green eggs

@jayballer67 said in IARP update:

@FarmerJayhawk said in IARP update:

Rumors are flying Self and Townsend getting suspended for the next two postseasons

Dam - usually where there is smoke there is fire- - that sucks green eggs

Nothing is official on that

@FarmerJayhawk hmm. that actually could be quite interesting.

Norm has HC experience. If this is the punishment sign me up.

@JAYHAWKFAN214 said in IARP update:

@jayballer67 said in IARP update:

@FarmerJayhawk said in IARP update:

Rumors are flying Self and Townsend getting suspended for the next two postseasons

Dam - usually where there is smoke there is fire- - that sucks green eggs

Nothing is official on that

I' realize that.

So do we believe there is much truth to this latest rumor ? - -Sure got them fired up on TOS. - if it is true , are we talking about 2 Seasons starting with this Season. - - I'm more concerned actually about having a show cause put on Self which in turn I think he would just say screw it

Having said that though IF that were to happen bottom line is KU was fine before Coach Self - -we would be fine AFTER Coach Self. - If it came down to it , don't think we would have any problem what so ever finding ANOTHER big time Coach

@jayballer67 Wasn't the source of that rumor from Mike Vernon? Vernon is the one that said Remy was unhappy, and was leaving the team. Remember when Self cursed during the press conference? He was cursing Vernon and his rumor mill. Vernon also told everyone we were going to the B10. Done deal. Now Vernon is back with another rumor. I don't know if the latest rumor is true, but I would wait until someone legitimate confirmed it. Vernon is considered a whack job by many KU fans.

@Jethro said in IARP update:

@jayballer67 Wasn't the source of that rumor from Mike Vernon? Vernon is the one that said Remy was unhappy, and was leaving the team. Remember when Self cursed during the press conference? He was cursing Vernon and his rumor mill. Vernon also told everyone we were going to the B10. Done deal. Now Vernon is back with another rumor. I don't know if the latest rumor is true, but I would wait until someone legitimate confirmed it. Vernon is considered a whack job by many KU fans.

ya it was. That's why I was asking exactly how much truth there was to this- - -if anyone knew. - -I mean I suppose it's possible--- -anything is possible , what I'm more worried about then anything else when this is all said and done and that's them hitting Coach with Show cause- - -and he be like - - -I'm out

I wouldn't think we'd bring in a coach just to coach post season. Wouldn't we have the ast. Guys that have been with the team the whole time? Makes sense. I don't know if Danny is just a temp this yr, and if he would just volunteer and hang out with us all yr as an extra. We can only have so many, right?

Timing of this rumor is suspect.

@Crimsonorblue22 said in IARP update:

I wouldn't think we'd bring in a coach just to coach post season. Wouldn't we have the ast. Guys that have been with the team the whole time? Makes sense. I don't know if Danny is just a temp this yr, and if he would just volunteer and hang out with us all yr as an extra. We can only have so many, right?

We would probably use one of our assistant coaches

@JAYHAWKFAN214 thx!

@Crimsonorblue22 said in IARP update:

I wouldn't think we'd bring in a coach just to coach post season. Wouldn't we have the ast. Guys that have been with the team the whole time? Makes sense. I don't know if Danny is just a temp this yr, and if he would just volunteer and hang out with us all yr as an extra. We can only have so many, right?

It wouldn't make sense to bring an outside coach in because they wouldn't know the personnel or calls for the season.

I don't think we could add to the regular season either was my point. This whole thing is odd to me. I think Self would want to get ahead of this leaking.

Hmm, if the rumor is true, it must be only about a quarter of a rumor. There's got to be way more punishment -- if there is punishment.
Loss of scholarships, fewer official visits, fines, etc. NC State got all that with the same Level 1 infractions?

If we're punished and it's just Self and Co. can't coach in post season, i'll take it. It means we CAN play in the post season!

@rockchalkjayhawk said in IARP update:

Hmm, if the rumor is true, it must be only about a quarter of a rumor. There's got to be way more punishment -- if there is punishment.
Loss of scholarships, fewer official visits, fines, etc. NC State got all that with the same Level 1 infractions?

If we're punished and it's just Self and Co. can't coach in post season, i'll take it. It means we CAN play in the post season!

I just got this weird feeling that they are going to make Coach Self - hit him with show Cause , which in turn if they do that I think he walks. Either be asked to resign OR just walk away

Nah

@Crimsonorblue22 said in IARP update:

Nah

ya

@jayballer67 we good.

Soap Box Stew's momma, and Vernon's daddy? have been wrong way more than they've been right. I mean- what have they been right about so far?

@Jethro said in IARP update:

Soap Box Stew's momma, and Vernon's daddy? have been wrong way more than they've been right. I mean- what have they been right about so far?

Football stadium stuff especially. Also Vernon broke the Self contract extension story. He and Stew is good people. Under Goff, KU leaks a heck of a lot less than it did under Long or Zenger. Which is good! They were right on the admin really pressing for a B1G invite, which still might come. Especially if the NCAA Tournament gets blown up and we get to keep more of that sweet cash. Or if football gets very good in the next 3 years.

Some of that is just common sense huh?

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https://www.si.com/college/2022/03/29/ncaa-infractions-cases-congress-bipartisan-bill ↗

"The IARP concept has been such a disappointment that sources say there is a real chance it is drastically downsized or scrapped altogether. “[The IARP] was an experiment. And you never want to experiment with the biggest cases of the modern era,” one source told SI."

Who woulda thought...

"The NCAA has a well-established history of back room deliberations that produce unfair punishments for athletes, coaches, and universities,” Blackburn said in a statement to SI. “With the emergence of new name, image, and likeness rules, it is more important than ever to address the systematic failures that have eroded league fairness. The NCAA Accountability Act will establish much-needed due process and shine a light on unfair treatment from NCAA leadership.”

News to us

Notices of allegations have been delivered in all four cases, and hearings have been set for at least Kansas and Louisville for this spring.

@BeddieKU23 calling the ncaa stupid is letting them off easy. F***ing basketball mafia.

I still don’t understand how the government can regulate the NCAA, or why the NCAA should listen.

@rockchalkjayhawk said in IARP update:

I still don’t understand how the government can regulate the NCAA, or why the NCAA should listen.

Well there is always the threat to start taxing them if they don’t play ball. Plus the government can levy fines.

But I’m not sure how I feel about the government sticking their nose into it all

@Kcmatt7 said in IARP update:

@rockchalkjayhawk said in IARP update:

I still don’t understand how the government can regulate the NCAA, or why the NCAA should listen.

Well there is always the threat to start taxing them if they don’t play ball. Plus the government can levy fines.

But I’m not sure how I feel about the government sticking their nose into it all

Yeah, taking it to an extreme maybe, but imagine your local, state or US government holding hearings on the playing status of a college player — for whatever reason.

One thing leads to another.

The parts of this legislation that I'm interested in is basically putting a shorter statute of limitations on the NCAA to investigate cases and a shorter time frame to invest cases once an NOA is delivered to a school.

Federal jurisdiction can be easily grounded in the Commerce Clause providing congressional authority over interstate commerce. Love to see the NCAA try to argue it is not a business!

@rockchalkjayhawk said in IARP update:

@Kcmatt7 said in IARP update:

@rockchalkjayhawk said in IARP update:

I still don’t understand how the government can regulate the NCAA, or why the NCAA should listen.

Well there is always the threat to start taxing them if they don’t play ball. Plus the government can levy fines.

But I’m not sure how I feel about the government sticking their nose into it all

Yeah, taking it to an extreme maybe, but imagine your local, state or US government holding hearings on the playing status of a college player — for whatever reason.

One thing leads to another.

Government involvement is not without precedent. Phog Allen was forced to retire by KS legislature. Not exactly the same thing we're talking about with the NCAA and fed, but in the same solar system.

When you put Blackburn and Booker together to sponsor a bill... you best be paying attention!

Love this:

"Louisville, Arizona and LSU have all dismissed the head coaches of the programs at the times of the alleged violations, although on markedly different timelines. Louisville fired Rick Pitino immediately; Arizona parted ways with Sean Miller in spring 2021; and LSU just terminated Will Wade earlier this month. Kansas, on the other hand, has given Bill Self a “lifetime contract.”"

@drgnslayr said in IARP update:

When you put Blackburn and Booker together to sponsor a bill... you best be paying attention!

Love this:

"Louisville, Arizona and LSU have all dismissed the head coaches of the programs at the times of the alleged violations, although on markedly different timelines. Louisville fired Rick Pitino immediately; Arizona parted ways with Sean Miller in spring 2021; and LSU just terminated Will Wade earlier this month. Kansas, on the other hand, has given Bill Self a “lifetime contract.”"

never had thought about that - -You suppose that KU feels so confident that nothing is going to come out of this whole dam thing , and they know a lot more then is being made public through the he said she said gossip- they feeling good enough that they wanted to offer Bill the life time contract just to kind of kick sand in the NCAA face - show em up lol.-- -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

When a Democrat and a Republican can agree on something it really must be something worth agreeing about!

@jayballer67

I have no friggin' idea!

I am certain that we didn't jump into that blindly... otherwise...

NCAA president decries pace of basketball investigations, including KU probe
https://m.kusports.com/news/2022/apr/01/ncaa-president-decries-pace-basketball-investigati/ ↗

There just is no other way to see Emmert being anything more than a turd sandwich. Unreal that this process, which has ZERO legal teeth, thinks it will produce findings with more depth than the federal authorities did. Yet they now have the authority to relieve themselves of accountability by having the process void of an appeal process. It's anti-American. Who wrote this concept up.... Putin?

@drgnslayr Agreed! But who would ever consent to it?

KU pulling Self and Townsend off the road recruiting. Will be 5 years since the news broke in September, which is crazy to think about. Hopefully this is the start of something the IARP/NCAA/KU agreed upon. Self and Townsend banned from recruiting for X years and then maybe a postseason ban or something for the coaches.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/college-basketball-recruiting-five-top-storylines-as-final-live-evaluation-period-comes-to-an-end/ ↗

@Kcmatt7

I hate this move

Unless it's truly a penalty they are taking in advance I see zero reason to play this game

@BeddieKU23 said in IARP update:

@Kcmatt7

I hate this move

Unless it's truly a penalty they are taking in advance I see zero reason to play this game

I would tend to agree with this. I am surprised we are even giving an inch at this point.

Having this happen sure doesn't help our recruiting , when you can't have your Heda Coach being able to get out and recruit, mean alot to these kids. The article says KU can't comment cause could led to further violation is they were to discuss on going investigation
.
Talks about how this is the 1st cooperative effort by KU. It sends a signal among Coaching circles , with Self being absent that just increased speculation , they still talking significant suspension & post season ban.

I still think that YES Bill will be suspended , how long -who knows , I also think Townsend will be let go. Just ready to gt this behind us been drug out long enough. I think we all know that there has been violations committed - -how strong ? - -don't know just to much fire for there to be Nothing, we are not squeaky clean in this.

If they try to hit Coach with a show cause then I think things will hit the fan and be the biggest mistake for this screwy NCAA

@Kcmatt7 I hate it too. Maybe they have some confidence in reports from the other 2 coaches. I don't want a post season ban or Self banned!

Someone get a shovel and start digging in Coach Ks backyard.

Future Kansas head coach Jeremy Case will handle recruiting just fine.

Also, this is a good move.

Not worried about this.

Take a vacation to not recruit a historically bad class? Idk the wisdom of it since it’ll depend on whether we get any credit for it from the IARP, but right now I’m inclined to say it’s a big old nothingburger. KU is very tight lipped about it.

Days like today I miss HEM coming here and saying why this is THE sign we’re about to get nailed to the wall and Self should’ve been gone years ago. Good times.

@Kcmatt7 said in IARP update:

@BeddieKU23 said in IARP update:

@Kcmatt7

I would tend to agree with this. I am surprised we are even giving an inch at this point.

I guess we'll see, at some point, maybe? Historically programs that have self-imposed penalties don't get brownie points with the NCAA

The report also made it sound as if Self & T were held out during Spring recruiting period as well.

Could it be that this is part of a yet-unannounced IARP settlement? KU is getting this out of the way while still having a great incoming class that will cover 2023-24 well with only transfers? Just a thought….

@BeddieKU23 said in IARP update:

@Kcmatt7 said in IARP update:

@BeddieKU23 said in IARP update:

@Kcmatt7

I would tend to agree with this. I am surprised we are even giving an inch at this point.

I guess we'll see, at some point, maybe? Historically programs that have self-imposed penalties don't get brownie points with the NCAA

My gut reaction is this is part of a settlement. It wouldn't surprise me a bit if the penalties are very minor. We pushed back so hard, I'm thinking the NCAA just wants to be done with it. I'll put the wishful thinking cap on, and hope for the best.

It sounds like KU has their NIL program running pretty strongly now which is huge positive if Self and KT aren't out traveling to recruit.

This also doesn't look like it'll be a very big class for KU as far as numbers go. Cam Martin and Jalen Wilson are the only two I'd prepare to lose for sure and then prepare for the potential of McCullar, Dick, and Rice although I don't think all 3 leave. As weak as the 2023 class is overall, Self's probably going to lean much more heavily on the transfer market than HS kids to replace those who leave after this season.

Overall, I don't think this move will have a significant impact on KU's recruiting for 2023 because I think it'll a more transfer heavy class than HS heavy class due to the overall weakness of this class.

Honestly, speculation is just useless during this invisible IARP “process”.

It completely sucks. An embarrassment for the NCAA and years of torment for all the schools still waiting for a ruling.

I truly can’t believe they haven’t aborted this entire thing, or at the very least realized they need to hire more people to handle the workload. How hard can that be???

At this point it’s like prosecuting a dude for having a little weed on him in downtown Denver circa 2007.

But if I did react to the Self/Townsend recruiting news...

I’d say it doesn’t appear to be a good sign they’ve been benched.

KU has been fighting this every step of the way (as far as we know). Self-imposing a penalty (no pun intended) can be read no other way than admitting guilt of some sort.

I made some brownies, the illustration goes, which were made with the traditional ingredients but a bird flew through the house and pooped in the mix and so we just baked it right into the brownies. Who'd like some brownies? I mean it's just a little bit of poop, probably won't even taste it.

If Bill Self pooped on the recruiting trail even a little bit (sorry this is getting weird) then it's hard for me to stomach. However, someone's gonna have to show evidence that he's guilty indeed, and after 5 years the brownies have gotten stale and I don't want to eat them anyway. The tainted brownies should have been served up last decade if that's what was in the oven. Now, beyond ridiculous, particularly when you look at when the alleged infractions took place.

We haven't even had the IARP hearing yet, acc to the article.

@Texas-Hawk-10

Quote from Self recently..

Self: “Let’s just call it like it is. If you go to a school and you’re not driving a brand-new car within the first month that you’re there, then someone’s not doing their job. … All of the kids can have agents now. Everybody can have an agent. … It’s out of control. It hasn’t been out of control (at Kansas). We’re actually quite a bit behind, I think. Hopefully, we’ll get caught up.”

https://tulsaworld.com/sports/college/tu/kansas-bill-self-on-the-transfer-portal-i-think-it-s-a-terrible-rule/article_bfca9090-0c77-11ed-afea-d715a934e4ea.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=user-share ↗

@BeddieKU23 That doesn't make Self look very good.

@wissox said in IARP update:

@BeddieKU23 That doesn't make Self look very good.

Would you care to explain how?

@BeddieKU23 I take that quote as Self deflecting a bit to not throw KU under the NCAA and IARP bus anymore than he has to and because Self also tends to be pretty self depreciating at times and that reads like one of those times. Remember that part of why KU is under investigation is because of a player that received a brand new car either before he arrived on campus or shortly after arriving prior to NIL making stuff like that okay. KU hiring Altius Sports to oversee the NIL program means there's going to be plenty of NIL money for athletes at KU.

For more evidence that KU's NIL program is in a good place, look at two recruits in the 2023 class that have interest in KU, Mikey Williams and Bronny James. Those two have massive social media followings and will likely be going wherever they can make the most money, whether that's professional or NIL money. Both names have been connected to KU as a possible destination which says KU can offer each of them a very strong NIL deal to come to KU.

Also, look at someone like Cam Martin. Why did he choose to not transfer out after the season and go somewhere he could star and get all the playing time he wants? NIL money is probably the answer to that question.

@Texas-Hawk-10

From all I've seen and heard KU players did really well with NIL this year especially with the Championship post tour run. I see KU making innovative moves to stay competitive in the shark infested waters. It was though interesting to hear it from Self that he doesn't think its where it needs to be to compete in this climate.

I think our recent title is why Mikey & Bronny are interested. Looks good for their brand. Doesn't hurt KU at all either if they show love.

@Kcmatt7 Unless I read it wrong I read Self saying we're behind because our kids don't have agents and brand new cars which sounds like cheating. Has the landscape of college athletics changed so much that athletes are allowed to have agents and brand new cars? The way I read it is Self saying we've got to catch up in cheating since everyone is.

@wissox said in IARP update:

@Kcmatt7 Unless I read it wrong I read Self saying we're behind because our kids don't have agents and brand new cars which sounds like cheating. Has the landscape of college athletics changed so much that athletes are allowed to have agents and brand new cars? The way I read it is Self saying we've got to catch up in cheating since everyone is.

It has changed to be that, yes. Both Grady Dick and Jalen Wilson both have agents. They probably aren't the only KU players who do.

https://businessofcollegesports.com/tracker-nil-agents/ ↗

@wissox said in IARP update:

@Kcmatt7 Unless I read it wrong I read Self saying we're behind because our kids don't have agents and brand new cars which sounds like cheating. Has the landscape of college athletics changed so much that athletes are allowed to have agents and brand new cars? The way I read it is Self saying we've got to catch up in cheating since everyone is.

Yes, it has changed that much. I believe one of the big reasons the Big 12 ended up hiring Yormark as commissioner is his familiarity with NIL as his previous job was with Jay-Z's sports agency which has NCAA certified agents. In regards to players having agents and getting new cars, as long as that player has an NIL deal with a dealership, getting a car is part of that deal. Quin Ewers who just transferred to Texas is now driving a brand new Aston Martin thanks to the NIL deals he signed.

Self is simply trying to portray KU as "behind" in NIL stuff in order to imply we weren't already giving kids extra benefits.

For a more concise expression of this sentiment, review the police captain's surprise that gambling was going on in Rick's joint in Casablanca.

I think the key moving forward is to realize there are still rules governing players and universities. The rules have changed... but we have to abide by those rules.

Makes me wonder... since college basketball is so competitive... what are the new areas to cheat in and give your school an advantage? There has to be that line again.

Anyone like to comment on that?

@drgnslayr said in IARP update:

I think the key moving forward is to realize there are still rules governing players and universities. The rules have changed... but we have to abide by those rules.

Makes me wonder... since college basketball is so competitive... what are the new areas to cheat in and give your school an advantage? There has to be that line again.

Anyone like to comment on that?

It’s still all about “boosters”. That’s the gray area. How you define booster in the days of NIL is baffling to me.

Boosters still cannot recruit nor funnel money to recruits.

But, they are setting up shell companies to do just that. How do you defend that if you’re the NCAA?

@rockchalkjayhawk said in IARP update:

@drgnslayr said in IARP update:

I think the key moving forward is to realize there are still rules governing players and universities. The rules have changed... but we have to abide by those rules.

Makes me wonder... since college basketball is so competitive... what are the new areas to cheat in and give your school an advantage? There has to be that line again.

Anyone like to comment on that?

It’s still all about “boosters”. That’s the gray area. How you define booster in the days of NIL is baffling to me.

Boosters still cannot recruit nor funnel money to recruits.

But, they are setting up shell companies to do just that. How do you defend that if you’re the NCAA?

KUAD is making a big push to RCJH, a newish c3 that exists solely for NIL. Have some spare cash laying around and want it to go to the welfare of our SA’s, it’s a great choice and the one preferred by KUAD*

*unofficially

@FarmerJayhawk said in IARP update:

@rockchalkjayhawk said in IARP update:

@drgnslayr said in IARP update:

I think the key moving forward is to realize there are still rules governing players and universities. The rules have changed... but we have to abide by those rules.

Makes me wonder... since college basketball is so competitive... what are the new areas to cheat in and give your school an advantage? There has to be that line again.

Anyone like to comment on that?

It’s still all about “boosters”. That’s the gray area. How you define booster in the days of NIL is baffling to me.

Boosters still cannot recruit nor funnel money to recruits.

But, they are setting up shell companies to do just that. How do you defend that if you’re the NCAA?

KUAD is making a big push to RCJH, a newish c3 that exists solely for NIL. Have some spare cash laying around and want it to go to the welfare of our SA’s, it’s a great choice and the one preferred by KUAD*

*unofficially

I understand that, but I don’t understand that.

If I’m a guy who went to KU, donate money to KU in many ways, then give money to this RCJH fund, aren’t I a “booster”?

@rockchalkjayhawk said in IARP update:

@FarmerJayhawk said in IARP update:

@rockchalkjayhawk said in IARP update:

@drgnslayr said in IARP update:

I think the key moving forward is to realize there are still rules governing players and universities. The rules have changed... but we have to abide by those rules.

Makes me wonder... since college basketball is so competitive... what are the new areas to cheat in and give your school an advantage? There has to be that line again.

Anyone like to comment on that?

It’s still all about “boosters”. That’s the gray area. How you define booster in the days of NIL is baffling to me.

Boosters still cannot recruit nor funnel money to recruits.

But, they are setting up shell companies to do just that. How do you defend that if you’re the NCAA?

KUAD is making a big push to RCJH, a newish c3 that exists solely for NIL. Have some spare cash laying around and want it to go to the welfare of our SA’s, it’s a great choice and the one preferred by KUAD*

*unofficially

I understand that, but I don’t understand that.

If I’m a guy who went to KU, donate money to KU in many ways, then give money to this RCJH fund, aren’t I a “booster”?

Boosters can give to current players for NIL. The way they’re getting around is saying hey these are the types of opportunities we offer players like you wink wink

Texas Tech is a good example of how this works in practice. Donors have pledged to provide all football players a $20k annual stipend. They’ll absolutely use that on the recruiting trail and say hey kid, come here and it’s $20k in your pocket as long as you’re at Tech. So they aren’t providing inducements per se, but that’s a big part of their recruiting pitch.

Can't we start a "KUBuckets Player Assist Program" and essentially raise funds and dish them out to players for use of their likeness in our blog?

Seems like we can just add a donation button to this site and start a fund. (hint)

@drgnslayr said in IARP update:

Can't we start a "KUBuckets Player Assist Program" and essentially raise funds and dish them out to players for use of their likeness in our blog?

Seems like we can just add a donation button to this site and start a fund. (hint)

Dang, Dragon...
For a second there i thought you were going to help us poor KU buckets participants! :) $$$

@FarmerJayhawk said in IARP update:

@rockchalkjayhawk said in IARP update:

@FarmerJayhawk said in IARP update:

@rockchalkjayhawk said in IARP update:

@drgnslayr said in IARP update:

I think the key moving forward is to realize there are still rules governing players and universities. The rules have changed... but we have to abide by those rules.

Makes me wonder... since college basketball is so competitive... what are the new areas to cheat in and give your school an advantage? There has to be that line again.

Anyone like to comment on that?

It’s still all about “boosters”. That’s the gray area. How you define booster in the days of NIL is baffling to me.

Boosters still cannot recruit nor funnel money to recruits.

But, they are setting up shell companies to do just that. How do you defend that if you’re the NCAA?

KUAD is making a big push to RCJH, a newish c3 that exists solely for NIL. Have some spare cash laying around and want it to go to the welfare of our SA’s, it’s a great choice and the one preferred by KUAD*

*unofficially

I understand that, but I don’t understand that.

If I’m a guy who went to KU, donate money to KU in many ways, then give money to this RCJH fund, aren’t I a “booster”?

Boosters can give to current players for NIL. The way they’re getting around is saying hey these are the types of opportunities we offer players like you wink wink

Texas Tech is a good example of how this works in practice. Donors have pledged to provide all football players a $20k annual stipend. They’ll absolutely use that on the recruiting trail and say hey kid, come here and it’s $20k in your pocket as long as you’re at Tech. So they aren’t providing inducements per se, but that’s a big part of their recruiting pitch.

My brain hurts trying to figure out this NIL stuff, Farmer!
But coaches and universities can't discuss NIL stuff during recruiting, right?

@rockchalkjayhawk said in IARP update:

My brain hurts trying to figure out this NIL stuff

I have decided not to worry about it. My view of basketball is that it is a fun sport to watch, and agonizing about all the other crap going on is not worth it. (That is becoming my view of a lot of things!) 🎵 Que sera sera 🎶

Interesting that ESPN never covered the Self/Townsend stay at home during recruiting story. More interesting is Dick Vitale commenting that all charges should be dropped: https://247sports.com/Article/Kansas-basketball-violations-NCAA-should-drop-Jayhawks-recruiting-case-Dick-Vitale-says-190507204/. ↗

So, why is ESPN suddenly on our side? Two years ago, Vitale was smearing us. Hmmm...

@Jethro

It's summer and the Coach K 30 for 30 isn't done yet. :face_vomiting:

@Jethro said in IARP update:

So, why is ESPN suddenly on our side? Two years ago, Vitale was smearing us. Hmmm…

The retirement of iconic coaches hurts their TV revenue. Suddenly... Self is needed!

I know this sounds soooo wrong... but...

Can we start a "pre-fund" for Chris Johnson to help him out if he declares to KU?

So while awaiting the NCAA to pull their thumbs from their butts and punish us for something legal today... we hire an Adidas staffer to run our NIL program. lol

Here is an idea we should consider for Late Night.... forget bringing in rappers. Bring in Jo Koy and he will crack up everyone with his tilt on college sports!

Best idea I've had in ages! lol

@Jethro said in IARP update:

Interesting that ESPN never covered the Self/Townsend stay at home during recruiting story. More interesting is Dick Vitale commenting that all charges should be dropped: https://247sports.com/Article/Kansas-basketball-violations-NCAA-should-drop-Jayhawks-recruiting-case-Dick-Vitale-says-190507204/. ↗

So, why is ESPN suddenly on our side? Two years ago, Vitale was smearing us. Hmmm...

It's not necessarily ESPN being on our side. Vitale's comments are in line with his views of wanting NCAA issues to be resolved quickly. We are now beginning year 4 since the NCAA allegations were delivered to KU so that's what Vitale is taking issue with.

I would also be very surprised if there's a post season ban for KU at this point since all players involved are long gone and the NCAA is shifting towards not punishing current players with postseason bans for issues this old. I could see Self being suspended a season happening, and I've thought all along that Townsend wouldn't survive this and I still believe that will end up being the case with him.

@BeddieKU23 said in IARP update:

@Jethro

It's summer and the Coach K 30 for 30 isn't done yet. :face_vomiting:

SNORT....lmao...that's a good one!

@Texas-Hawk-10 Vitale did a 180, so you might be on to something. It's just surprising to get the Dook treatment from ESPN.

@drgnslayr said in IARP update:

So while awaiting the NCAA to pull their thumbs from their butts and punish us for something legal today... we hire an Adidas staffer to run our NIL program. lol

Here is an idea we should consider for Late Night.... forget bringing in rappers. Bring in Jo Koy and he will crack up everyone with his tilt on college sports!

Best idea I've had in ages! lol

As long as it's not Snoop Dog and stripper poles...

@Jethro said in IARP update:

@Texas-Hawk-10 Vitale did a 180, so you might be on to something. It's just surprising to get the Dook treatment from ESPN.

Vitale did not do a 180 and this isn't KU getting treated like Duke by ESPN. Vitale's statement made zero mention about the innocence or guilt of KU in regard to the violations and didn't come from an article on ESPN's website, at least not an easily accessible one that I'm aware of. His statement was complaining about how long it's taking the NCAA/IARP to rule on these cases. We're not far away, about 2 months, from KU's case entering into it's 4th year without a resolution. That's Vitale's issue and is independent of what school is involved with a case being dragged out that long be it KU, Memphis, LSU, or NC State before they finally received their penalties.

@Texas-Hawk-10 I'm not going to argue about it- I know what what he said, and what I heard, and there's nothing either of us can do to change each other's minds about it.

@Jethro Prove to me how this statement goes against Vitale's long held beliefs that current players shouldn't be penalized by the NCAA for the crimes of previous players no longer involved in the program?

@Jethro said in IARP update:

As long as it’s not Snoop Dog and stripper poles…

Maybe we bring in Jay-Z now that his boy is running our conference!

Vitale's tweet quoted in that article does not say a word specifically about KU, and is only about the "absurd" length of time the "cases" are taking. The 247 article is simply directed toward the KU audience.

Definitely not a 360!

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in IARP update:

@Jethro Prove to me how this statement goes against Vitale's long held beliefs that current players shouldn't be penalized by the NCAA for the crimes of previous players no longer involved in the program?

Mayjay cleared it up. Vitale didn't mention Kansas. I read the Vitale Wants Charges against KU dropped headline without pursing the article close enough. Vitale was talking in general about all teams, not KU. No 180. And I was informed elsewhere that ESPN didn't run the Bill/Townsend story because in the big scope of things we're down on the ESPN pecking order. That's 2 losses for my theory. So, I engaged in wishful thinking about a case that has been lingering like a disease over our heads for 5 years- I wanted it to be true, even though it wasn't...lol.

Memphis didn’t get jack for Wiseman. @HighEliteMajor is gonna be so mad when all we get is a fine and some probation 😂

What does the "probation" mean?

@RockkChalkk don't mess up again or you'll get buried

@FarmerJayhawk said in IARP update:

@RockkChalkk don't mess up again or you'll get buried

Was listening to local sports radio. - They was comparing KU/Memphis and the things that pretty much the same. - - -KU just like Memphis Coach's have stayed persistent that they were not awar of certain things. That's what Hardaway said and the IARP decided in favor of him - - No penalities on Haraway -Memphis no post season ban, on probation till 2025 - - but the fines they have to pay is laughable - comes to 1/4 of 1 % - -then think they said 50,000 shoot that is just a spit in the bucket.

I dunno just all in all I mean sounds like you can take it either way , but it's sounding like a lot more possibility of this all not really amounting to much. They were talking about even if Self gets suspended like 12 games or ballpark - - KU would be ok , you dealing with like Decembre 1st part of January Case & the Other assistant's could take care of that - -we wouldn't be in the meat of Conference - -gona be interesting - -let's just get this dam thing over with - -bring drug out way to long

I take the Memphis ruling as a positive for KU. Memphis was clearly handed a slap on the wrist after making some interesting decisions at the time of the whole Wiseman saga.

Whether anyone should care now that almost all of this is legal anyway is another discussion. If the NCAA/IARP makes all of these cases go away in similar manner they may have finally done something right

YIKES

According to this CBS report KU hasn't had their hearing with the IARP & timeline for completion is looking at Summer 2023

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/memphis-ncaa-infractions-case-closed-updates-on-where-kansas-louisville-lsu-arizona-stand-with-iarp/ ↗

but NCAA Vice President of Hearing Operations, Derrick Crawford, told the media on a call Tuesday that the four -- Louisville, Arizona, Kansas and LSU -- are on track to be resolved in "late spring, early summer of 2023." Louisville and Arizona have completed their hearings while Kansas and LSU have not, suggesting they may be ahead in the queue.

@BeddieKU23 said in IARP update:

YIKES

According to this CBS report KU hasn't had their hearing with the IARP & timeline for completion is looking at Summer 2023

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/memphis-ncaa-infractions-case-closed-updates-on-where-kansas-louisville-lsu-arizona-stand-with-iarp/ ↗

but NCAA Vice President of Hearing Operations, Derrick Crawford, told the media on a call Tuesday that the four -- Louisville, Arizona, Kansas and LSU -- are on track to be resolved in "late spring, early summer of 2023." Louisville and Arizona have completed their hearings while Kansas and LSU hot, suggesting they may be ahead in the queue.

I mean HOLY CRAP come on you guys have turn this whole thing into a circus. - -Summer of 2023 ? - -You can't tell me that your still collecting facts/information- -make the fricken ruling for Christs sakes.- I've got a 1 year old pit that could make the ruling faster then that. - - Christmas comes once a year - - IARP rulings comes once every TWO years lets get real here enough is enough.

Fer crissakes. The never ending movie.

Is Self back to recruiting?

This protracted deliberation might be the punishment.

@Gorilla72 Yes, he is back out recruiting.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/ncaa-steering-farther-and-farther-away-from-harsh-penalties/ar-AA12p8O8?cvid=147f35d24b264d599600c9f54f6d6d07 ↗

https://www.si.com/college/2022/09/27/memphis-basketball-ncaa-penny-hardaway-wiseman ↗

Memphis made it difficult on IARP... I believe we have been playing ball with IARP. Any bets on who will be punished more?

@drgnslayr NO

I'm still trying to understand our self-imposed punishment... this didn't help -

https://www.si.com/college/2022/11/03/louisville-basketball-ncaa-sanctions-iarp-rick-pitino-violations ↗

Why do I still have a bad feeling we will be treated worst by IARP... especially now that we have basically admitted guilt! We've thrown a lifeline to this entire stupid process and it still remaining after basically eliminating all these violations with new NIL structure.

@drgnslayr said in IARP update:

I'm still trying to understand our self-imposed punishment... this didn't help -

https://www.si.com/college/2022/11/03/louisville-basketball-ncaa-sanctions-iarp-rick-pitino-violations ↗

Why do I still have a bad feeling we will be treated worst by IARP... especially now that we have basically admitted guilt!

at this point - -nothing will surprise me. - one reason I feel we might get hit , if at all possible and you know they will try their dam hardest -- if at all possible they want to lay the hammer to us. - -The NCAa has a hardon for us as we have rippled the waters with them - -challenged them more then once , they don't like boat rockers -so if they can they want us so bad it makes them wet

IF the NCAA could screw some blue blood JUST ONCE they would be in 7 th heaven saying see - - -we showed you -were th NCAA don't mess with us , thats what they want. -- So I'm right there with you- -could go either way but won't be shocked if they do

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KU will be skating free I imagine...

@BShark said in IARP update:

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comical

He was an innovator. Everyone is doing it now. Standard business practice. 😂

Rumor is there will be a hearing in Late April. Mike Vernon rumor so take that with your shot of tequila.

@BeddieKU23 said in IARP update:

Rumor is there will be a hearing in Late April. Mike Vernon rumor so take that with your shot of tequila.

A hearing? What for? Doesn’t the IARP just send down a ruling from the Gods and call it a day?

@rockchalkjayhawk

NCAA hearing after which any penalties would be made public some time afterwords

I see Penny just got suspended for a few games.

We up next for whatever punishment or lack of?

When in God's name will this NCAA investigation be concluded?

And will this be eligible for a spot in the Guinness Book of World Records?

@bskeet I wonder if Charles Dickens, were he alive, would wish he could have used the NCAA as his model for his novel Bleak House. The case that was based on only took from 1797 to the 1850's to resolve.

Tomorrow our Long National Nightmare ends

haha lifetime KU hater drops the news too. Forde has been marinating his life for this moment.

@FarmerJayhawk said in IARP update:

Tomorrow our Long National Nightmare ends

Not really concerned fwiw

@FarmerJayhawk said in IARP update:

Tomorrow our Long National Nightmare ends

Great , finally. One way or another good or bad just glad w are finally getting this done. - -Gonna be interesting. Part of me thinks that they just want to drop the Hammer on us I still really don't know know what to think. depending how severe might effect Rakease decision whether he commits to KU or not.

I just don't think we have a post season ban, might ger reduced Scholi's - might get our Title taken - -let's just get it done.

@BShark said in IARP update:

@FarmerJayhawk said in IARP update:

Tomorrow our Long National Nightmare ends

Not really concerned fwiw

hope your right

@BShark guessing time served plus a fine

At least his point we know and could appeal to save this season if it comes to that. Crazy world right now, Utah players all get brand new trucks but Jim at Michigan gets suspended for buying someone dinner.

@kjayhawks we can't appeal, but this has all the hallmarks of a negotiated settlement anyway

I’m guessing two major wars are enough for the NCAA to try to hide these headlines?

Mostly curious if the F4 will be vacated

@kjayhawks said in IARP update:

Utah players all get brand new trucks but Jim at Michigan gets suspended for buying someone dinner.

Well, IIRC, it was due to him denying buying a few guys dinner (during a non-recruiting period, I think) and then justifying his denial by offering the preposterous claim he just hadn't remembered doing it.

It will be announced today at 1 o'clock Central time

Ready for this to be behind us as well.

How's this being announced ? - Some big news flash - breaking into regular programming lol. Just so ready for this to be over. Been hearing some talk off vacating some wins- - Kentucky fans sure hoping for that, saying giving them back what they rightfully deserve. I said WHY ?- - just so we can over take you - - -AGAIN. --- possible having our banner stripped from us. - -I dunno

I hope KU kept fighting for no vacated wins. Imagine if Duke had to vacate all the games Zion played in. Or Kentucky the games that the 200k unibrow played in.

Is 3 yrs probation right?

@Crimsonorblue22 - that’s what I read on the SI site. No penalties on coaches.

https://www.si.com/college/2023/10/11/kansas-infractions-ruling-bill-self-minor-penalties ↗

@PharmacyHawk Whew.

@PharmacyHawk - indeed!

Forde's tears are delish. SUCK MY ASS NCAA

🙏 so happy this is over and Morris is out of here too! Close the door and stay out of trouble!❤️💙

Thankfully this is over and we get the resolution we have hemmed and hawed over for years. Finally put to rest. But I'll end by saying the NCAA can find the door and kick themselves out

Pat Forde is such a pile of excrement. Anything that makes him sad brings me joy.

@FarmerJayhawk They truly are a delicacy everyone should get to enjoy imo.

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in IARP update:

Pat Forde is such a pile of excrement. Anything that makes him sad brings me joy.

Endorsed by every KU fan

ROOOOOOOOOOOOCK CHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALK

I love that the IARP told the NCAA to GF themselves so many times they just dissolved it lmao

Jayhawks are free birds!

Nao can I has Passmore plz?

@FarmerJayhawk It truly rings of - "Well shit. After this long we gotta do something!" To me.

@PharmacyHawk YES YOU CAN

heard they are on a heightened alert in Lexington - Alert , Alert , Def-Con 5 lol

@dylans said in IARP update:

Jayhawks are free birds!

yes they are buddy - -Hell Bill said ALONG TIME AGO - -we were innocent

WELP I'm off to the Kentucky boards to read the meltdown - -GOD isn't life grand lmao

Ok they did vacate the 2018 FF so that sucks

Read a GEM of a comment on Rupp Rafters:
"If this would have been UK, we would have been buried.

DEAD. AND. GONE."

Yeah, UK and coach Cal are completely clean. The NCAA definitely hasn't been turning a blind eye to them or anything.

@FarmerJayhawk Where did you see this? Also I was there. It still happened.

@PharmacyHawk it’s in the IARP doc. Seriously the dumbest possible penalty

@FarmerJayhawk Swain posted it.
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Does this push UK ahead of us all-time now?

@FarmerJayhawk said in IARP update:

Ok they did vacate the 2018 FF so that sucks

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@Jhawk69 said in IARP update:

Read a GEM of a comment on Rupp Rafters:
"If this would have been UK, we would have been buried.

DEAD. AND. GONE."

Yeah, UK and coach Cal are completely clean. The NCAA definitely hasn't been turning a blind eye to them or anything.

Ya I saw that lmao- - Think I'm gonna go streaking through Aggieville painted in Crimson & Blue lol

No 14 conference win streak. No final 4. Behind Kentucky in wins.

The only punishment I did not want to see was vacated wins. Damn

Well that just means we will have to take the all time wins away - - -AGAIN. -- - - -one thing you can't take away the memories of the final four.

I mean, I don't think the NCAA can play God and change the past. Sure they can force us to censor the records but we know what happened in 2018. UK is now number 1 all time according to the censored records and we are number 1 according to what actually happened. Sure, I'm a little upset we aren't number 1 in both anymore but I'd rather have the latter than the former.

@Jhawk69 As Jayballer said, just means they get to be embarrassed when we take it from them a second time.

@PharmacyHawk said in IARP update:

@Jhawk69 As Jayballer said, just means they get to be embarrassed when we take it from them a second time.

Scenes when this happens.

@BShark It has been foretold. We shall fulfill The Prophecy.

Disgrace. Disappointment. Sad. Embarrassment. That’s how I feel about KU right now. Silvio wwe desosa costs KU a 14 year streak that took scores of talented players to put together. Consistent dominance like never seen before wiped out because of cheating. KU has admitted and is convicted of cheating add to that Arterio Morris forcefully raping someone and it’s kinda like being a bill cosby fan. It was fun/funny at the time, but now when you know it’s pretty yucky.

@dylans Silvio’s sleazy guardian*

Everyone accepts Silvio himself had no idea.

@FarmerJayhawk said in IARP update:

Ok they did vacate the 2018 FF so that sucks

Can't vacate something that already happened but it's a good try as always

takes 15 wins away from Ku & now Kentucky is back in the lead by like 5 wins --we can overcome that this yr

@FarmerJayhawk Silvio is the guy who got caught. He’s the symbol representing the downfall. He may have had no clue, but it’s still him that the documents reference.

I really have no defense for the school - I’m not a bit mad a Silvio. I’m mad at Bill for allowing the news the last 7 days happen. I’m also extremely happy with most of the on court results. I guess I can’t be too mad at Bill, even if cheating is the way he chose to win. I know now and can no longer sit with my head in the sand; I have to reconcile what I know to be right and the way things are. I hate to join the axis of evil and think it’s ok to skirt the rules of the ncaa and society both for the sake of athletic glory like Kentucky duke Alabama Texas Georgia etc.

Are we sure Silvio is “Player 1” and not Billy Preston?

Pretty much the penalties I said would happen years ago when this process started. Scholarship reduction and vacating the games Silvio played in during the 2017-18 season.

I guess this also means I didn't really see KU get their asses handed to them by Villanova in that 2018 Final Four.

@Gorilla72 said in IARP update:

Are we sure Silvio is “Player 1” and not Billy Preston?

There were 3 players mentioned in the original documents, Silvio DeSousa, Billy Preston, amd Cheick Diallo. Preston wasn't a factor in KU's punishment because he never played a regular season game for KU because he was held out as soon as the circumstances of him getting the Dodge Charger swere investigated.

DeSousa had a significant amount of money change hands between Adidas and Under Armour to get him out of the arrangement with Under Armour to go to Maryland and come to KU.

@Gorilla72 Billy never played. So no wins to vacate if that was the case.

‘member when bad Bill meant playing Jamari Taylor?

Yeah. I ‘member that.

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“I felt it was fair and should’ve been done” Self on vacating wins

I’m disappointed to lose the 2018 final four for sure. Does it also mean no B12 regular season and tournament championship that season? A step back but we can recover from this quickly. It’s just frustrating knowing Zion got his money and cost Dook nothing.

Feel better after the news conference!

@dylans So you think Self cheated? Nothing in the IARP findings establishes that.

Legally, this was a case where an outside consultant paid athletes to go to KU. His actions as a representative of Adidas were held to be the responsibilty of KU because of the bogus booster theory since Adidas helped KU recruit. Vicarious responsibility for wrongdoing is a status matter, not a knowledge matter. They specifically found no evidence that KU and Self failed to supervise adequately. Had there been any evidence of knowledge or involvement by KU and Self in Adidas's cheating, the Level 1 charges would have stood.

So how do you conclude Bill is a cheater?

I think it's a tad lame that the NCAA literally cleared Silvio to play before he set foot on the court, but honestly.... I don't really care about vacating wins. That season sucked. It was the last season of the conference streak, so it has no reflection on all the teams before, and I guess we'll all have to be satisfied with the 13-season streak.

Coach Beard and Coach Huggins now both share the big 12 title from 2017-18. Do I have that right? Those two pillars of society.

@mayjay said in IARP update:

@dylans So you think Self cheated? Nothing in the IARP findings establishes that.

Legally, this was a case where an outside consultant paid athletes to go to KU. His actions as a representative of Adidas were held to be the responsibilty of KU because of the bogus booster theory since Adidas helped KU recruit. Vicarious responsibility for wrongdoing is a status matter, not a knowledge matter. They specifically found no evidence that KU and Self failed to supervise adequately. Had there been any evidence of knowledge or involvement by KU and Self in Adidas's cheating, the Level 1 charges would have stood.

So how do you conclude Bill is a cheater?

Do you honestly think Bill Self was clueless about what was happening? Are you really that naive or just in denial about it? Name an all time great college basketball coach that never once had allegations of cheating in some firm or fashion thrown their way that didn't have something credible to support those allegations. The difference between these coaches is usually how well the cover their tracks and give themselves plausible deniability about the cheating.

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in IARP update:

Pretty much the penalties I said would happen years ago when this process started. Scholarship reduction and vacating the games Silvio played in during the 2017-18 season.

I guess this also means I didn't really see KU get their asses handed to them by Villanova in that 2018 Final Four.

Silver lining!

@mayjay Was there some recording with him on a phone talking about money with DeSoso's people? I'm thinking I remember that. Sounds like some cheating to me, but I don't rightly remember.

@wissox said in IARP update:

@mayjay Was there some recording with him on a phone talking about money with DeSoso's people? I'm thinking I remember that. Sounds like some cheating to me, but I don't rightly remember.

Coach Townsend and Zion who went to Duke, as I recall. Most of this was evidence in the FBI case where KU was the victim.

@DanR dude the pillars of society comment made me spit out my food.

@DanR Thanks, that's right, Zions mom wanted a house, we didn't provide it and so he went to Duke where we presume she got her house which the NCAA never knew about. (but everyone else did)

@wissox I think $100K in cold hard corrupt cash was the amount Coach T agreed we needed to get to meet Duke's offer in addition to the house and a year's worth of nauseating ESPN hype of Zion (which, ultimately, KU could not guarantee).

I'm glad it's finally over and ready for the regular season to start. Self may have a chip on his shoulder this season and I kind of hope he does.

@DanR said in IARP update:

@wissox I think $100K in cold hard corrupt cash was the amount Coach T agreed we needed to get to meet Duke's offer in addition to the house and a year's worth of nauseating ESPN hype of Zion (which, ultimately, KU could not guarantee).

The rewording you did of the discussion added "Coach T agreed we needed to get to meet Duke's offer". All T really said was that the word was the family wanted that much. There was nothing said about KU providing it. Self told him to see what he could do, but that was to recruit Zion. If it was permission to offer the money, why isn't there a slew of money discussion like all the other schools had?

@Texas-Hawk-10 - just looking for clarification. I understood and remember all that stuff.

@mayjay

I'm joking because the whole point is that KU/Townsend would have had to meet or exceed the bribes to get him to KU that Coach K already offered Zion (alledgedly). Had nothing to do with the penalties regarding Silvio, but this was the phone call the FBI included in the basketball fraud case that the NCAA slobbered about but found nothing because KU was the victim.

Code: “I know what he’s asking for. He’s asking for opportunities from an occupational perspective, he’s asking for cash in the pocket and he’s asking for housing for him and his family.”

Townsend: “I’ve got to just try to work and figure out a way because if that’s what it takes to get him here for 10 months, we’re going to have to do it some way.”

IMO, T was talking out of his ass, but I didn't reword it. All mute points now due to NIL.

@DanR Sorry! Thx for the correction. Obviously my memory truncated it! I still think figuring it out meant figuring out how to get Zion not necessarily providing the goodies. I guess I find it hard to believe that with so much money flowing from Adidas T couldn't have easily gotten it if that was our desire.

Bummer about the Final Four. We'll just have to get it back this year, and pass UK in wins again

Oh look at that. Video of the game that never happened. Boy these people on the internet sure can make them boys look real these days. That trophy looks awful real too. Any idea how they did that video? Very impressive stuff

It happened. Not AI.

@BeddieKU23 said in IARP update:

Oh look at that. Video of the game that never happened. Boy these people on the internet sure can make them boys look real these days. That trophy looks awful real too. Any idea how they did that video? Very impressive stuff

Lance Armstrong won a bunch of races too. It’s just not a good look imo. It’s a big reason why wooden didn’t get the respect that his titles should bring too. Yeah it happened and I enjoyed the games. Devonte deserves better. Wish it was more on the up and up.

@dylans

Certainly not a good look. I'm exhausted from all this tbh.

The bag of tricks the NCAA keeps grabbing into and handing out needs an extermination though.

Money is like water. It always finds its way in no matter what you do.