Might as well start this up to talk about the comings and goings of next years squad.
After a Championship all bets are off on who leaves & who returns. We have 4 stud recruits coming. We'll likely be active in the portal for insert_ amount of players.
Until then enjoy the glory of this year.
Here's the skinny.
Exhausted Eligibility- (3)
Mitch Lightfoot, Remy Martin, Jalen Coleman-Lands.
Seniors with Covid year available to them- (2)
David McCormack & Ochai Agbaji
Underclassmen with decisions to make- (2)
Christian Braun & Jalen Wilson
Redshirts with decisions to make- (2)
Kyle Cuffe Jr & Cam Martin
More then likely to return- (5)
Dajuan Harris, Bobby Pettiford, Zach Clemence, Joseph Yesufu, KJ Adams.
KU to this point hasn't shown any interest in the transfer portal because they were too busy winning a championship but it will be notable to see what they recruit and what positions. A championship is surely going to get guys attention a little bit more now. Remy Martin having a successful March also helps.
Also despite showing up on some final lists KU doesn't appear to be in the serious running for any remaining unsigned HS recruits. That could change but with 4 studs coming in + the portal being available to get something ready-made to contribute I don't see them getting another HS prospect.
My educated guess is 5-6 returning scholarship players. Full HS class reports to KU. Bring in 3-ish transfers. Impact level of one transfer will depend greatly on if we get one of CB/JWill (lean towards JWill return) back.
Worst Case Scenario- KU loses 6 of its Top 7 rotation to graduation and professional avenues.
Best Case Scenario- KU returns 3 starters in Harris, Braun, Wilson with a 4th possible McCormack.
Let's hope for a little bit of the latter.
I'm really hoping Bill can pitch JWill to return. Would help next season's team tremendously.
There is a role for someone to be "the guy" next season. So I expect to get a very high-end transfer if JWill isn't back. Likely we won't know until after NBA feedback.
Terrence Shannon, David Roddy, Lester Quinones, Nigel Pack, Mike Miles Jr. are all names that I would be interested in as of right now. I'm hoping to get one of these dudes no matter what. But as far as timing and everything, it makes sense that we would end up with one of these borderline NBA prospects who are looking for change after receiving some feedback.
If I were to guess a lineup:
Bench:
- Pettiford
- KJ
- Udeh
Deep Bench:
- Zuby
- Yes
I think there is a clear role for 2 transfers. Ideally a starting guard who can light it up and the other a wing willing to take a bench role (think JCL/Moss). I personally think you see JWill move on. That was the talk at the beginning of the season anyways. Something tells me he is just ready to start making money pretty much regardless. But if he is back I see it more like:
Starters:
1. Harris
2. Transfer
3. Dick
4. Wilson
5. Clemence
Bench:
- Rice
- Pettiford
- Udeh
Deep Bench:
- KJ
- Yes
- Zuby
Wilson moves Rice into that bench wing role I think we need. But still leaves the door open for a transfer guard who can score. This, in my eyes, is the team with the higher upside. But I do worry JWill tries to do too much next season and puts up 16 ppg on awful advanced stats and pure volume. If JWill takes a leap this offseason and is able to play within the system efficiently like Och (though not to such an extreme, because Och was insanely efficient) this team is once again FF good.
Either way, one thing I'm banking on is Zach taking a leap. We were able to invert the offense to get big guards post looks with Dave at C. Imagine what kind of damage we can do with Zach at C spacing the floor. Would let you post up Rice, Wilson and Gradey against mismatches even more.
We are in a damn good spot though. Perfect time for Bill to pull 3 burger boys.
@Kcmatt7 I'd be shocked if one of Yes and Bobby isn't starting next year. Bill LOVED Bobby pre injury and Yes had a lot of good moments and if not for Remy finally getting healthy and figuring it out, would definitely have been the guard coming off the bench down the stretch. I know that's two little guards with one of those two and Harris but it's happened before. I also don't think KJ finds the "Deep bench" section next year as Self is clearly comfortable with him on D and would bring him in just to play D. That role will still be around and I'd guess he adds to that next year.
TBH though I don't know much about the new recruits but in general Self values experience first and foremost. Especially early.
@Kcmatt7 the word before every offseason is that JWill will leave and he keeps coming back so at this point I really don't know anymore lol.
The two guard look with Bill is always nice but I wouldn't mind if we see a lot of what we saw this year going forward. 3 taller guys around a PG and a 5 man. Guys that can all shoot, handle it well enough, rebound etc... With the shortest being maybe 6'5''. Makes the defense very difficult to deal with, especially if you have a rim protecting 5.
@benshawks08 It's Bob as a primary reserve playing real minutes all the way he just has to stay healthy. Two maybe 6' guards in the starting line-up is a tough sell and Juan isn't going anywhere.
KJ's biggest issue is he is a 6'7'' 5 man. I tend to agree with the sentiment that if JWill is back, KJ will have a tough time getting PT.
@BShark I guess I just get excited about the pressure Harris and Yesefu would put on opposing guards trying to get their offense started. The rest of the team would only have to guard for like 10 seconds by the time they get it up the court and can finally start to run something with those two hounding them.
I really do hope one of Wilson/Braun returns because that guarantees KU would have a featured player back. Both come back and the ceiling for next year is a lot higher then if only one returns.
Before the tourney started I thought we'd see both back. Now we have no idea what would motivate them to come back.
For Braun he's a Kansas kid, a lifetime KU fan and as we've found out his bond with Dejuan Harris goes a lot further then the basketball court. What does Braun want his legacy to be? It's already sky high. Another year could send it to the rafters like Ochai or he leaves on a high like Mario Chalmers did. His NIL game was just starting to ramp up as the season was ending (merchandise/apparel) so that's another thing that may incentivize him to come back if his draft grade isn't to where he has a guarantee.
For Wilson he's got parts of his game that could use developing. The chance to take on that "alpha" role and be a featured scorer could be the kind of opportunity he needs to change NBA minds.
@benshawks08 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@BShark I guess I just get excited about the pressure Harris and Yesefu would put on opposing guards trying to get their offense started. The rest of the team would only have to guard for like 10 seconds by the time they get it up the court and can finally start to run something with those two hounding them.
I have a hard time seeing Yesufu working his way up the rotation but we will see.
@BeddieKU23 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
I really do hope one of Wilson/Braun returns because that guarantees KU would have a featured player back. Both come back and the ceiling for next year is a lot higher then if only one returns.
Before the tourney started I thought we'd see both back. Now we have no idea what would motivate them to come back.
For Braun he's a Kansas kid, a lifetime KU fan and as we've found out his bond with Dejuan Harris goes a lot further then the basketball court. What does Braun want his legacy to be? It's already sky high. Another year could send it to the rafters like Ochai or he leaves on a high like Mario Chalmers did. His NIL game was just starting to ramp up as the season was ending (merchandise/apparel) so that's another thing that may incentivize him to come back if his draft grade isn't to where he has a guarantee.
For Wilson he's got parts of his game that could use developing. The chance to take on that "alpha" role and be a featured scorer could be the kind of opportunity he needs to change NBA minds.
What could motivate them? Maybe, just maybe, it's the same thing that motivated Horford, Brewer and Noah (all lottery picks) to come back for the Gators in 06-07 - to repeat as champions, which they did. So, if we're in dreamland, not just CB and JWil, but also Dave, come back....
I hate to even raise it, but the biggest question mark is not HS prospects or the portal, its the IARP. If and when that shakes out will dictate a lot of decision-making....
@BeddieKU23 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
I really do hope one of Wilson/Braun returns because that guarantees KU would have a featured player back. Both come back and the ceiling for next year is a lot higher then if only one returns.
Before the tourney started I thought we'd see both back. Now we have no idea what would motivate them to come back.
For Braun he's a Kansas kid, a lifetime KU fan and as we've found out his bond with Dejuan Harris goes a lot further then the basketball court. What does Braun want his legacy to be? It's already sky high. Another year could send it to the rafters like Ochai or he leaves on a high like Mario Chalmers did. His NIL game was just starting to ramp up as the season was ending (merchandise/apparel) so that's another thing that may incentivize him to come back if his draft grade isn't to where he has a guarantee.
For Wilson he's got parts of his game that could use developing. The chance to take on that "alpha" role and be a featured scorer could be the kind of opportunity he needs to change NBA minds.
I'm thinking like you do. Could be wrong, though. I think the starters next year will be Juan/CB/Rice/Wilson/Zach with Nigel Pack coming off the bench. I've learned from Embiid that you can't tell what they will do.
It's been a while since the Florida players did that and not sure we'll ever see it repeated. We definitely can dream though.
I didn't mention the elephant in the room since until something more then rumors come out its not worth talking about. Will we continue to fight or take it on the chin? When that times comes I'll have to reevaluate my fandom to College Basketball.
@Jethro said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@BeddieKU23 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
I really do hope one of Wilson/Braun returns because that guarantees KU would have a featured player back. Both come back and the ceiling for next year is a lot higher then if only one returns.
Before the tourney started I thought we'd see both back. Now we have no idea what would motivate them to come back.
For Braun he's a Kansas kid, a lifetime KU fan and as we've found out his bond with Dejuan Harris goes a lot further then the basketball court. What does Braun want his legacy to be? It's already sky high. Another year could send it to the rafters like Ochai or he leaves on a high like Mario Chalmers did. His NIL game was just starting to ramp up as the season was ending (merchandise/apparel) so that's another thing that may incentivize him to come back if his draft grade isn't to where he has a guarantee.
For Wilson he's got parts of his game that could use developing. The chance to take on that "alpha" role and be a featured scorer could be the kind of opportunity he needs to change NBA minds.
I'm thinking like you do. Could be wrong, though. I think the starters next year will be Juan/CB/Rice/Wilson/Zach with Nigel Pack coming off the bench. I've learned from Embiid that you can't tell what they will do.
This could be a tough group to start in the āmodernā game. I think for sure you need at least one better 3 pt shooter in that mix. Not sure who that is just yet...
We are going to have to visit the portal for a shooter.
It would be interesting to visit last years off season thread.
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@Kcmatt7 the word before every offseason is that JWill will leave and he keeps coming back so at this point I really don't know anymore lol.
The two guard look with Bill is always nice but I wouldn't mind if we see a lot of what we saw this year going forward. 3 taller guys around a PG and a 5 man. Guys that can all shoot, handle it well enough, rebound etc... With the shortest being maybe 6'5''. Makes the defense very difficult to deal with, especially if you have a rim protecting 5.
@benshawks08 It's Bob as a primary reserve playing real minutes all the way he just has to stay healthy. Two maybe 6' guards in the starting line-up is a tough sell and Juan isn't going anywhere.
KJ's biggest issue is he is a 6'7'' 5 man. I tend to agree with the sentiment that if JWill is back, KJ will have a tough time getting PT.
I love the 6'5 switch everything defense 2-4. Especially in modern ball.
I think you can mix in 2-guard when you feel like the ball is sticking or you want to press a little more or the matchup is just setup so you can get away with it.
KJ is a mystery. I still think he has a ton of upside. But I'm not going to bank on him getting minutes. I feel the same about Zuby right now.
The only reason I don't think that about Udeh is because Udeh's wingspan and size will get him at least some run.
@Kcmatt7 I feel like unless Udeh is a stiff he should end up getting some run. Probably as the primary back-up big. I can see some concerns about having him and Juan out there. It would be somewhat alleviated by the fact that well, the opponent has to score on that line-up too.
I think ultimately for the deep tournament/serious games rotation you are generally looking at 7 guys. So you need one back-up big, and a back-up guard. After that it's basically spot minute duty depending on injuries, foul situations, match-ups etc... Having the primary back-up guard be a small guard does make a lot of sense as it offers some flexibility.
Winning the title was great for so many reasons. I think going forward we can attract a lot of "one last rodeo" guys as needed. Guys like Remy, JCL that have been on nothing but bad teams and want to experience winning, use Self and the staff for connections (JCL) etc... Even if it's in a bench role, some guys will want that experience once in college.
KJ is really best suited for Wilson's role. He came out of high school with a loose handle and a jumper that needed to develop, so he played where his athleticism was most useful - as a 5 in small lineups. Go back and watch his HS plays. He was a perimeter player as much as an interior one. He just wasn't far enough along in his development to play full time on the wing. But he's a 3/4, not a 4/5. He's the guy that could make a real leap in development. He played less than 200 minutes all season. His athleticism and defense were evident this year. If his offense comes along, he could be a real problem.
Clemence is the one that is a mystery to me. His skill level is obvious. But how does he fit in without a true 5? He would be best suited to play as a stretch 4, rather than having to bang on the interior. Think of him as a less polished Brady Manek - a guy that can step out and shoot, but is best utilized with a bruiser inside to rebound and protect the rim. Udeh probably is not that guy next year, but if the right option shows up in the transfer portal, that could solve that problem while Udeh develops.
If Braun and Wilson are not back, we could see both Dick and Rice starting. Rice is much further along (it appears) with his ball handling and shooting, so he will likely be ready to contribute on Day 1. Obviously, if both Braun and Wilson come back, Rice is probably coming off the bench, but if not, I imagine he starts quickly, if not immediately. Dick is ready out of the box as a shooter, and probably is more prepared to contribute early than Christian Braun was coming out of HS. Figuring out roles of these two will depend on if Braun and Wilson are back, but they will both have some sort of role.
Self probably won't target a guard unless it is a known sniper at the 2 that is over 6-4. With Harris, Yesufu and Pettiford already in house, there's no need to bring in another guard unless it is someone that has already demonstrated they can shoot 40% or so from three and gives you a bigger wing player (someone in the mold of JCL).
KU may look to the portal for a bigger interior player, though. Because that isn't Clemence's style, getting someone to fill that void would be a serious upgrade for next year.
Nijel Pack or Terrence Shannon would be great additions for KU on the wing, though I doubt KU gets either. Manny Bates might be the best fit inside, as he is a top notch shot blocker at 6-11, 230 from NC State. The downside for him is that he missed the season with a shoulder problem, but if he is fully healthy, he would have two years of eligibility.
@justanotherfan I think we are gonna play Zach at the 5 but I agree it's not his style.
@BShark I could see Zach and KJ playing together in a weird high low type of game. Zach being able to pop and shoot it, KJ maybe driving ala Wilson. We know KJ can switch on D basically 1-5 and I just don't see Self letting that skill ride the bench. KJ is the next Marcus Garret. Super defender, gonna need to learn how to score.
I do wonder if KJ has more offensive skills than we are aware of simply because this team never needed his type of skills on that side of the floor. There was no room for him to drive because we had plenty of other guys to do that. Maybe I'm dreaming but with his quickness, strength, and bounce he just HAS to develop into a guy who can take it to the hoop and finish above and around the rim.
I know some are high on Clemence, but even late in the season against the 16 seed he looked way out of his element. I donāt think you can for sure count on major production from him.
KJ is going to get an NFL tryout for TE once he's done at KU...LOL.
@HawkChamp said in Next Year's Team Thread:
I know some are high on Clemence, but even late in the season against the 16 seed he looked way out of his element. I donāt think you can for sure count on major production from him.
Some includes the coaching staff. Bobby as well, who really just needs to stay healthy.
I feel like he was coming along then he had the foot injury. Good stretch against the Oklahoma schools after that then right back to deep bench. Another offseason will help. I think he starts but total minutes will depend on the match-up. Probably ends up around 15 minutes a game while starting. Bigs by committee unless we bring in an absolute stud.
Anyone worried about Juan? He looked least enthused of the guys on the stage at the press conference post game. Not used to the spotlight? Sad about his boys leaving him behind? Still mad he stepped out? Wondering why he didn't close out the game? I don't know. Just got a weird vibe from him in that press conference. I love the kid and want him to start at PG until he graduates to be clear. Did I imagine something or did anyone else notice anything?
@benshawks08 He's fine.
Self and Och both called Juan out for turning the game around right at the start of the second half by his D. Inspired the rest of them to get after it too.
@Crimsonorblue22 I might have already mentioned this but Case drew up the play to open the 2nd half. <3 <3 <3
@benshawks08 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Anyone worried about Juan? He looked least enthused of the guys on the stage at the press conference post game. Not used to the spotlight? Sad about his boys leaving him behind? Still mad he stepped out? Wondering why he didn't close out the game? I don't know. Just got a weird vibe from him in that press conference. I love the kid and want him to start at PG until he graduates to be clear. Did I imagine something or did anyone else notice anything?
No, heās just a naturally reserved and shy dude.
@HawkChamp It seems to me like Zach will be more of a stretch 4 option, and as he develops, play the 3 in the League. I realize a stretch 4 is not really Coach Self's style, but if he can knock down shots reliably, then hey. Darrell Arthur was the last to play that style, unless I'm forgetting about someone.
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@SlickRockJayhawk Dedrick Lawson before Dokeās injury.
@rockchalkwyo said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@SlickRockJayhawk Dedrick Lawson before Dokeās injury.
Dedric was never a stretch 4.
With Clemence at the 5, especially if Wilson returns, could we see the high-low make a come back next season, at least as a part of the offense?
@BeddieKU23 - in my gut, I think Jalen & Christian return. Jalen knows he needs further prep and can obtain a higher pick in the draft. Otherwise, heās back and forth to the G League? Christian is true blue KU. They both can be next years stars, propelling the team deep into the NCAAT. IMHO.
@Bosthawk said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@BShark
Iām now sold on having a real pure shooter. Clearly is need come tourney time. Obviously a shooter who can be coached to play good D, otherwise he wonāt see the floor under Self.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/isiaih-mosley-1.html ā
This is the guy. Very very tight with CB and Dajuan. Not in the portal yet. Declared for the draft to test the waters, has not hired an agent.
Hopefully they both return like your predicting. It's the difference between reloading vs a transition type season
Da boys
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@Bosthawk said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@BShark
Iām now sold on having a real pure shooter. Clearly is need come tourney time. Obviously a shooter who can be coached to play good D, otherwise he wonāt see the floor under Self.https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/isiaih-mosley-1.html ā
This is the guy. Very very tight with CB and Dajuan. Not in the portal yet. Declared for the draft to test the waters, has not hired an agent.
Mosley went to HS with Harris. They were in the same HS class, and would have gone to college together if Harris hadn't switched to KU. I would not be surprised if Mosley ended up in Lawrence if his draft feedback isn't to his liking.
Mosley would be a perfect replacement for Agbaji while Rice and Dick transition to college, then you have a five headed perimeter monster with Harris, Mosley, Braun, Rice and Dick. Even if KU doesn't fully solve their interior depth issues, I wouldn't be afraid of going to battle with that group plus KJ, Wilson, Clemence, Yesufu and Pettiford. You're a bit light inside, but can absolutely punish people on the perimeter and in transition.
@justanotherfan said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@Bosthawk said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@BShark
Iām now sold on having a real pure shooter. Clearly is need come tourney time. Obviously a shooter who can be coached to play good D, otherwise he wonāt see the floor under Self.https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/isiaih-mosley-1.html ā
This is the guy. Very very tight with CB and Dajuan. Not in the portal yet. Declared for the draft to test the waters, has not hired an agent.
Mosley went to HS with Harris. They were in the same HS class, and would have gone to college together if Harris hadn't switched to KU. I would not be surprised if Mosley ended up in Lawrence if his draft feedback isn't to his liking.
Mosley would be a perfect replacement for Agbaji while Rice and Dick transition to college, then you have a five headed perimeter monster with Harris, Mosley, Braun, Rice and Dick. Even if KU doesn't fully solve their interior depth issues, I wouldn't be afraid of going to battle with that group plus KJ, Wilson, Clemence, Yesufu and Pettiford. You're a bit light inside, but can absolutely punish people on the perimeter and in transition.
Only concern with Mosley is athleticism (which is probably what keeps him out of the draft). I think the big thing is he will add shooting that is sorely needed. If CB does come back, that is some more shooting as well.
Scouting report on Mosley
STRENGTHS
Big guard that scores in bunches with efficiency
Shot creator and shot maker; Professional scorer
Shifty handle with offensive creativity
Makes defenders dance on his island
Great combination of hesiās, lift fakes, jab series and reverse pivots
High level isolation scorer
Does most of his damage off the dribble
Strong frame can score in low or mid post
Excellent soft touch finish package
Finishes floaters with both hands
Good rebounder
Efficient shooter from deep
Defenders canāt stop him from getting to his spots
Terrific free throw shooter
AREAS TO IMPROVE | CONCERNS
Can be too isolation focused
NBA role? Can he be a complimentary player?
Passing
Ball stopper? A lot of no pass possessions
Funny looking release on shot but it goes in
AST/TO ratio
Agree on the athleticism part. He is not a bouncy athlete.
I have to give him credit though. He knows how to create exactly enough space with his body, his dribble, and his footwork to get his shots off. And when he gets his shots off, they go in.
He reminds me a bit of Khris Middleton in that he isn't an eye popping athlete, but he can get buckets.
After watching his highlights, I'm not sure he comes back to college. He is going to DESTROY people in workouts. He may not do well against the tape measure, but when he gets on the floor, people are going to have nightmares guarding him. He's an exceptional shooter. His handle is great. He understands pace and spacing on a pro level (underrated skill).
He's hard to guard because he's strong enough that you can't bully him, he shoots 90% from the line, so if you get your hands on him he will make you pay. You can't play off him because he shoots 45% from three. He has an "old man" game in the paint with fakes, shakes, scoops and other deception to score at that level. He will cook people in individual workouts.
If he's in Lawrence next year, this team will be crazy good. But I'm not sure he will be in Lawrence. He looks ready for the next level.
He is EXTREMELY crafty. Because well, he had to be to get to this level. He would be an amazing addition and well, the rumors are very positive right now that's for sure.
Man a 50/40/90 guy. Even in college that's impressive!
I think there is a key variable that could drive CB and/or Jalen to return that is easy to overlook/mis-estimate and that's NIL. NIL is new and we haven't seen its effect in the off season yet.
First, let me state that I'm not an expert on NIL.. I just have a perfunctory understanding of how this could work.
With that caveat, I posit that the NC is THE PERFECT opportunity for KU to help guys get sponsors and take advantage of their NIL. Branding/marketing is a follow the leader industry. If we can get these guys some success, it will lead to more success. That means it becomes an engine keeping the marginal NBA guys at KU just a bit longer as they develop to lottery picks and draws in talent that wants success in the sport and their NIL business.
KU should be working to get Remy connected to some brands right now to show transfers what is possible. And they should be working to get some brands interested in Jalen and CB and maybe even Dave. Imagine if all three had deals that let them earn some significant $$ while they played their final season and moved themselves into a lottery position. It could pioneer a new way of operating and allow college basketball to actually be a viable farm league for the NBA.
Anyone else notice that there were a few plays in the title game where Self tried to post Braun? That could be fun if he came back next year. Hoping Self is stealing some stuff from Wright after all their clashes in recent history. Would love for our guards/wings to start developing legit post moves and really get comfortable down there. Especially if Zach develops into a stretch big.
@benshawks08 yes!
@benshawks08 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Anyone else notice that there were a few plays in the title game where Self tried to post Braun? That could be fun if he came back next year. Hoping Self is stealing some stuff from Wright after all their clashes in recent history. Would love for our guards/wings to start developing legit post moves and really get comfortable down there. Especially if Zach develops into a stretch big.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/isiaih-mosley-1.html ā
He's gonna post up for us so much if it happens. TRICKY player. Also would do work as a ft line zone killer.
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A recruiting pitch?
Jalen <3 <3 <3 <3
@benshawks08 I thought that was interesting too, especially because Jay Wright uses the guard post up. After getting past Villanova, perhaps Coach Self decided to try it since KU was wary of Villanova using the guard post up.
I think it's used more than just by nova.
Och showed how to do it last year. Throw early hat in the ring and learn from the experience... what to work on... and return.
Both CB and JWil should do the same thing. If either lands a legitimate shot for guarantee NBA money, they should take it. Do I find it likely? No... but I'm not a pro scout.
My other question mark is on Big Dave. Isn't he scheduled for surgery now on his bad wheel?
Actually... if he can become 100% next year I think he should return. What are his NBA chances now, with a bad wheel and footwork troubles? If you look at Big Dave's progress as a Jayhawk, he could possibly return and raise his game considerably if he can finally be 100%. Do I see this as realistic? Probably not returning... but... should.
I'm licking my chops on the possibility next year of having a dream team!
If... CB, JWil, and a fixed DMac returned...
CB and JWil both lift their game another 20% (as they did last year from the year before), and DMac playing his best ball.... and I DEFINITELY expect Juan to make at least that much improvement, too!
Rice and Dick will surely find valuable minutes and contributions. KJ and our newbie bigs will surely compensate more than the loss of Lightfoot.
My only question would be.... can these guys develop enough of a chip to where they absolutely HAVE TO win the title (like they did this year)?
Will Pettiford qualify for a medical redshirt? Was his injury in the first half of the season and did he play in less than 30% of the season, if these are still the rules? I should have paid more attention during the season.
@stoptheflop can't play at all.
@drgnslayr I just don't want these new guys have to sit. I think we'll lose them.
Expect CB to leave.
@Crimsonorblue22 maybe not immediately but this has always been about his feedback and it looks like he will be a first rounder. Gotta capitalize when you can and NBA scouts are high on him currently. Good measurables.
Personally, I've always felt that Dave is a better NBA prospect than Doke. Defensively, they were about equal. However, Dave has more offensive skills and they've been there from the very start. Even as a freshman, it was clear that he was an entirely different 5 than Doke. Dave scored on short jumpers and jump hooks as well as dunks. Doke was pretty much just a dunk dude.
Dave can shoot it from distance, but we had enough shooters so he was never asked to go beyond the paint. Plus he hits FTs. All in all, Dave has potential to be a better pro than Doke IMHO.
I'd love for him to return, of course. But what we saw in this tournament was Dave with a bad foot... then what he could be with two good wheels should be plenty good enough to be a pro. If he gets healthy in time for the NBA tryouts to showcase his abilities, I think he'll be a low first / early second rounder.
@bskeet said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Personally, I've always felt that Dave is a better NBA prospect than Doke. Defensively, they were about equal. However, Dave has more offensive skills and they've been there from the very start. Even as a freshman, it was clear that he was an entirely different 5 than Doke. Dave scored on short jumpers and jump hooks as well as dunks. Doke was pretty much just a dunk dude.
Dave can shoot it from distance, but we had enough shooters so he was never asked to go beyond the paint. Plus he hits FTs. All in all, Dave has potential to be a better pro than Doke IMHO.
I'd love for him to return, of course. But what we saw in this tournament was Dave with a bad foot... then what he could be with two good wheels should be plenty good enough to be a pro. If he gets healthy in time for the NBA tryouts to showcase his abilities, I think he'll be a low first / early second rounder.
I can respect the opinion but their athleticism is on a different planet. I will be very surprised if David gets more than a cup of coffee. Rooting for him though.
Yeah. Not sure how anyone can watch this and not be hyped for Zach (and see why Cam will be very likely leaving shortly).
@mayjay said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@BShark Outside shot is great, but we need some big bodies down low. He got pushed out of position a lot this year. Needs to put about 30 lbs of muscle on, especially in his leg strength.
Another offseason with Nijem will do wonders. :flexed_biceps:
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@mayjay said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@BShark Outside shot is great, but we need some big bodies down low. He got pushed out of position a lot this year. Needs to put about 30 lbs of muscle on, especially in his leg strength.
Another offseason with Nijem will do wonders. :flexed_biceps:
Speaking of Nijem, remember when we used to play NCAA tournaments years ago, and our guys were exhausted? I have noticed how much fresher our team looks compared to the other teams- case in point...UNC. We wore out Nova and Miami as well. I know Nijem doesn't get the credit and the publicity that Hudy used to get, but I firmly believe he is superior as a trainer and it showed during the tournament run. He's part of the team that is working hard in the background... that get little to no credit...yet his contribution to our title is enormous.
@mayjay said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@BShark Outside shot is great, but we need some big bodies down low. He got pushed out of position a lot this year. Needs to put about 30 lbs of muscle on, especially in his leg strength.
I could see this guy being quite a special player for us. Like you said, he's got to bulk and toughen up... but once he gets there physically, he's going to be a keystone for us. Practically from the first time he hit the court, the dude was totally fearless. He nearly immediately drained a 3 pointer, no hesitation... no fear. Champion mentality. I see a breakout coming.
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@bskeet said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Personally, I've always felt that Dave is a better NBA prospect than Doke. Defensively, they were about equal. However, Dave has more offensive skills and they've been there from the very start. Even as a freshman, it was clear that he was an entirely different 5 than Doke. Dave scored on short jumpers and jump hooks as well as dunks. Doke was pretty much just a dunk dude.
Dave can shoot it from distance, but we had enough shooters so he was never asked to go beyond the paint. Plus he hits FTs. All in all, Dave has potential to be a better pro than Doke IMHO.
I'd love for him to return, of course. But what we saw in this tournament was Dave with a bad foot... then what he could be with two good wheels should be plenty good enough to be a pro. If he gets healthy in time for the NBA tryouts to showcase his abilities, I think he'll be a low first / early second rounder.
I can respect the opinion but their athleticism is on a different planet. I will be very surprised if David gets more than a cup of coffee. Rooting for him though.
Yea Doke setting combine vertical records really put that in perspective. It has made it hard to evaluate post players because you don't realize how imposing he actually was.
@Kcmatt7 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@bskeet said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Personally, I've always felt that Dave is a better NBA prospect than Doke. Defensively, they were about equal. However, Dave has more offensive skills and they've been there from the very start. Even as a freshman, it was clear that he was an entirely different 5 than Doke. Dave scored on short jumpers and jump hooks as well as dunks. Doke was pretty much just a dunk dude.
Dave can shoot it from distance, but we had enough shooters so he was never asked to go beyond the paint. Plus he hits FTs. All in all, Dave has potential to be a better pro than Doke IMHO.
I'd love for him to return, of course. But what we saw in this tournament was Dave with a bad foot... then what he could be with two good wheels should be plenty good enough to be a pro. If he gets healthy in time for the NBA tryouts to showcase his abilities, I think he'll be a low first / early second rounder.
I can respect the opinion but their athleticism is on a different planet. I will be very surprised if David gets more than a cup of coffee. Rooting for him though.
Yea Doke setting combine vertical records really put that in perspective. It has made it hard to evaluate post players because you don't realize how imposing he actually was.
Block rates, KU career
Udoka 9.4
Dave 4.1
Cole 9.9
Jeff Withey 14.3 (OMEGALUL)
The most impactful thing for KU's offseason will be the NBA feedback of a player not currently on KU's roster.
:folded_hands:
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@Kcmatt7 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@bskeet said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Personally, I've always felt that Dave is a better NBA prospect than Doke. Defensively, they were about equal. However, Dave has more offensive skills and they've been there from the very start. Even as a freshman, it was clear that he was an entirely different 5 than Doke. Dave scored on short jumpers and jump hooks as well as dunks. Doke was pretty much just a dunk dude.
Dave can shoot it from distance, but we had enough shooters so he was never asked to go beyond the paint. Plus he hits FTs. All in all, Dave has potential to be a better pro than Doke IMHO.
I'd love for him to return, of course. But what we saw in this tournament was Dave with a bad foot... then what he could be with two good wheels should be plenty good enough to be a pro. If he gets healthy in time for the NBA tryouts to showcase his abilities, I think he'll be a low first / early second rounder.
I can respect the opinion but their athleticism is on a different planet. I will be very surprised if David gets more than a cup of coffee. Rooting for him though.
Yea Doke setting combine vertical records really put that in perspective. It has made it hard to evaluate post players because you don't realize how imposing he actually was.
Block rates, KU career
Udoka 9.4
Dave 4.1
Cole 9.9
Jeff Withey 14.3 (OMEGALUL)
Withey's timing is the craziest thing. Dude could catch a fly with chop sticks.
Craziest thing about Doke is that he added 10 inches of vert between combines...
@Kcmatt7 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@Kcmatt7 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@bskeet said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Personally, I've always felt that Dave is a better NBA prospect than Doke. Defensively, they were about equal. However, Dave has more offensive skills and they've been there from the very start. Even as a freshman, it was clear that he was an entirely different 5 than Doke. Dave scored on short jumpers and jump hooks as well as dunks. Doke was pretty much just a dunk dude.
Dave can shoot it from distance, but we had enough shooters so he was never asked to go beyond the paint. Plus he hits FTs. All in all, Dave has potential to be a better pro than Doke IMHO.
I'd love for him to return, of course. But what we saw in this tournament was Dave with a bad foot... then what he could be with two good wheels should be plenty good enough to be a pro. If he gets healthy in time for the NBA tryouts to showcase his abilities, I think he'll be a low first / early second rounder.
I can respect the opinion but their athleticism is on a different planet. I will be very surprised if David gets more than a cup of coffee. Rooting for him though.
Yea Doke setting combine vertical records really put that in perspective. It has made it hard to evaluate post players because you don't realize how imposing he actually was.
Block rates, KU career
Udoka 9.4
Dave 4.1
Cole 9.9
Jeff Withey 14.3 (OMEGALUL)
Withey's timing is the craziest thing. Dude could catch a fly with chop sticks.
Craziest thing about Doke is that he added 10 inches of vert between combines...
Withey's volleyball background definitely played a large role and making him an elite shot blocker.
I doubt Doke literally added 10 inches to his vertical, I'm going to assume his trainer taught him how to properly do a vertical jump so he could maximize what he already had athletically.
This is why CB will be back:
1- He has the chance to be this year's Ochai. I believe he deferred to Ochai alot this year the same way Devonte deferred to Frank his senior year. In CB's mind, it is his turn to be the star this upcoming year.
2- His relationship with Juan is extremely tight- they are best friends.
3- He didn't test the NBA waters last year. Och did, came back, and vastly improved his draft order this year. Braun will do the same.
4- CB isn't being mocked as a first rounder. I've seen him come in at 36 in one mock, 54 in another. No doubt, most mocks suck. But the example staring right in his face is Och's path, which is going to compel him to take the same path, and not settle for non guaranteed money.
5- CB is King on campus. Leaving that for the great unknown and the land of the non guaranteed contract is a bridge too far, imo.
6- This isn't a kid that has to score big in the NBA draft to help his family. Plus, the NIL money will tide him over.
This is purely my conjecture- I think CB will definitely test the NBA waters, and will decide to come back. I'm more worried about JW coming back than CB.
@Jethro said in Next Year's Team Thread:
This is why CB will be back:
1- He has the chance to be this year's Ochai. I believe he deferred to Ochai alot this year the same way Devonte deferred to Frank his senior year. In CB's mind, it is his turn to be the star this upcoming year.
2- His relationship with Juan is extremely tight- they are best friends.
3- He didn't test the NBA waters last year. Och did, came back, and vastly improved his draft order this year. Braun will do the same.
4- CB isn't being mocked as a first rounder. I've seen him come in at 36 in one mock, 54 in another. No doubt, most mocks suck. But the example staring right in his face is Och's path, which is going to compel him to take the same path, and not settle for non guaranteed money.
5- CB is King on campus. Leaving that for the great unknown and the land of the non guaranteed contract is a bridge too far, imo.
6- This isn't a kid that has to score big in the NBA draft to help his family. Plus, the NIL money will tide him over.
This is purely my conjecture- I think CB will definitely test the NBA waters, and will decide to come back. I'm more worried about JW coming back than CB.
one more time my friend - NO WAY both will be back. And as far as CB and Juan being friends - - CB can be in the NBA and STILL be close friends. - the draft I have seen him in he is the 32nd pick to I believe to Golden State. I think the whole thing about about him being some King is the least of his thought process he can come back to the KU campus just like other former players and still be treated like that King. - - The goal for Cb just like any other true red blooded kid the ultimate goal is to play or be given the chance to play in the NBA. -he is at the top of the 2nd round right now in mock drafts why is he gonna risk coming back and take the risk of some possibly severe injury and not be able to play ? - why take the chance to come back and NOT improve which I think is likely as I think he has just about hit his ceiling for pro wise. It's all about the money - -if he is indeed at that spot in the draft - -then he needs TO GO while the going is good. KU will be just fine WITHOUT CB coming back. we were fine before he got here & we will be fine AFTER he leves
@Jethro said in Next Year's Team Thread:
This is why CB will be back:
1- He has the chance to be this year's Ochai. I believe he deferred to Ochai alot this year the same way Devonte deferred to Frank his senior year. In CB's mind, it is his turn to be the star this upcoming year.
2- His relationship with Juan is extremely tight- they are best friends.
3- He didn't test the NBA waters last year. Och did, came back, and vastly improved his draft order this year. Braun will do the same.
4- CB isn't being mocked as a first rounder. I've seen him come in at 36 in one mock, 54 in another. No doubt, most mocks suck. But the example staring right in his face is Och's path, which is going to compel him to take the same path, and not settle for non guaranteed money.
5- CB is King on campus. Leaving that for the great unknown and the land of the non guaranteed contract is a bridge too far, imo.
6- This isn't a kid that has to score big in the NBA draft to help his family. Plus, the NIL money will tide him over.
This is purely my conjecture- I think CB will definitely test the NBA waters, and will decide to come back. I'm more worried about JW coming back than CB.
I think cb would like to go but I think he and his family will listen to what the nba people say. So many similarities to oach. Weāll see
@jayballer67 I think the only way he leaves for the draft is if the NCAA hammers us b4 the draft. If I'm wrong, I assure you I will be the first to admit it. I say he declares for the draft with the option to come back, and he takes that option and comes back. I could be wrong- I was wrong about Embiid. But I don't think so...lol.
I think CB has a great chance to be a long time pro in the NBA. His game is fairly well rounded already. He has shown that he can both shoot and handle on the offensive end. He rebounds his position. While he likely won't be an elite defender in the NBA, he probably will be a solid one. He needs to get stronger, but that's unlikely to happen until he gets to work with pros on strength and conditioning, gets a meal plan to put on weight that won't cost him his explosiveness, etc. And he's no slouch as an athlete. Plus, with his size he can play in any wing combination.
CB essentially took the advice that Och got last year and applied it to his own game. While some may think he wasn't better this year, I thought he took a substantial step forward this year, and if he gets feedback, I think scouts will say the same.
The question for Braun is really if he believes he can move from NBA role player to NBA starter by coming back. If not, there's no reason to return. He has a championship. He has accolades. If improving his shooting and consistency make him a lottery pick next year, perhaps he should return. But if all it does is move him up from mid second round to late first, he hasn't gained much.
Ultimately, with the NBA emphasizing shooting at all positions, there's a pretty decent chance that Braun is a coveted player. He can shoot it, and he doesn't hurt you defensively, size wise, or on the glass.
@Jethro said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@jayballer67 I think the only way he leaves for the draft is if the NCAA hammers us b4 the draft. If I'm wrong, I assure you I will be the first to admit it. I say he declares for the draft with the option to come back, and he takes that option and comes back. I could be wrong- I was wrong about Embiid. But I don't think so...lol.
I'd love CB to be back, but if the feedback he gets is that he'll be a late first-early second round pick, he's likely gone because he won't improve his draft stock very much coming back.
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@Jethro said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@jayballer67 I think the only way he leaves for the draft is if the NCAA hammers us b4 the draft. If I'm wrong, I assure you I will be the first to admit it. I say he declares for the draft with the option to come back, and he takes that option and comes back. I could be wrong- I was wrong about Embiid. But I don't think so...lol.
I'd love CB to be back, but if the feedback he gets is that he'll be a late first-early second round pick, he's likely gone because he won't improve his draft stock very much coming back.
that's my thought I just don't think he is going to improve his stock enough to come back. The mock draft I saw Cb in had him as the 2nd pick in the 2nd round and I really have a hard time thinking he would eve make 1st round
Jalen :smiling_face_with_heart-eyes:
For those wondering the deadline to declare is April 24th and the deadline to remove from the draft is June 13th
NIL is huge. Jalen will make more next year at KU than he would in the GLeague.
@BeddieKU23 Posted on the phog that CB and JWill got 15k each from Canes for that one day appearance. That ain't bad.
This is honestly the best chance any school will have I think at returning a big chunk of players from a Title team with the goal of repeated ala Florida. NIL is new and exciting for the players. They can actually earn some money and spend an entire year cashing in on the championship. Apart from Och, there are NO first round guarantees. The 2nd highest on the draft boards (Braun) is a local kid who loves Kansas and has basically a brother who will definitely be returning. Dave seems to like school and why not tack on some more degrees while cashing in on that Natty coin? Jalen could come back for a true redemption year after he got off to a shaky start this year. There's legit reasons for 4 out of 5 starters to stay next year. I still find it HIGHLY unlikely and at best we likely keep 3 of 5 but it is possible.
Question is, if we keep all 4 and only lose och, will we be athletic enough to win it again? (insert wink emoji here)
Until it's official anything can happen but its very likely only 2 of the 7 guys that were in regular rotation at the end of the season will be back.
We'll see some spots open up for transfers as there's 2 very likely candidates going. Lot's of fits and needs out there. Two in particular seem to have interest in KU unofficially.
KU did well getting its best recruiting class in several years with so many upperclassmen. The 2 guard/wings can play right away. The two bigs will play but will be developed and used as needed.
A lot will change between now and June
NIL could make college basketball much better again.
@BeddieKU23 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Until it's official anything can happen but its very likely only 2 of the 7 guys that were in regular rotation at the end of the season will be back.
We'll see some spots open up for transfers as there's 2 very likely candidates going. Lot's of fits and needs out there. Two in particular seem to have interest in KU unofficially.
KU did well getting its best recruiting class in several years with so many upperclassmen. The 2 guard/wings can play right away. The two bigs will play but will be developed and used as needed.
A lot will change between now and June
Yeah if I were betting right now I would say two. Remy and Mitch have of course exhausted their eligibility. Dave and Och are going. They would be great again at KU but it's time to move on. That's 4/7 gone already.
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
NIL could make college basketball much better again.
My only argument against it at this point is it caused TOO many dudes to stay lol. In combination with extra covid years we had so many vets playing ball, guys who can play college defense, and it made the games SO boring. The tournament only had a few teams willing to run. (Oddly enough those teams faired pretty well).
But yea the NIL stuff is going to get a lot more guys to stay. Especially those borderline draft guys. It was and will be great for the sport/player retention.
Keep seeing Tshiebwe may return to UK for a multi-million dollar NIL deal. Any truth to this? Wild
NIL is market correction to what was happening which was College Bball getting gutted by guys leaving early when they had no chance to stick in the league. Imagine how many fringe talented kids left that would have stayed now with legit NIL opportunities. It's certainly leveled the playing field somewhat and will hopefully positively impact the game going forward
@BeddieKU23 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Keep seeing Tshiebwe may return to UK for a multi-million dollar NIL deal. Any truth to this? Wild
Kentucky might be in full panic mode with us passing them in total wins and Bill getting his second title before Cal, oh and Saint Peters. I imagine they will throw all the money they have at this problem.
He's viewed as a 2nd round pick so another year to cash in on guaranteed money vs unguaranteed seems like an awful good deal.
@BeddieKU23 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
NIL is market correction to what was happening which was College Bball getting gutted by guys leaving early when they had no chance to stick in the league. Imagine how many fringe talented kids left that would have stayed now with legit NIL opportunities. It's certainly leveled the playing field somewhat and will hopefully positively impact the game going forward
HEMs everywhere are MALDING
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@BeddieKU23 Posted on the phog that CB and JWill got 15k each from Canes for that one day appearance. That ain't bad.
I read somewhere that the guys are in Wichita on a "barnstorming tour" today. Costs are from $30 to 125 each fan, so they're going to rake.
@BeddieKU23 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Per Front Office Sports, players will get 70% of the revenue on the tour and 100% of the revenue from items that are auctioned.
I hope they each make a huge amount.
@BeddieKU23 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
He's viewed as a 2nd round pick so another year to cash in on guaranteed money vs unguaranteed seems like an awful good deal.
Why is he so unloved by the NBA?
Not sure. My best guess is the lack of a perimeter game/shooting skill. He's a beast in the paint but you look at the bigs that will go in the first round and he's more like Doke then he is Smith/Holmgren/Banchero.
@BeddieKU23 NBA doesn't care about rebounds anymore??
Besides the shooting he's only 6'9 and doesn't have elite level athleticism & has struggled scoring over length in his college career. He won't be able to play the 4 position in the NBA so he's a bit small playing the 5. He's also seen a bit of a liability defensively. What he lacks he more then tries to make up for by being one of the best rebounders the game has ever seen
@BeddieKU23 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Keep seeing Tshiebwe may return to UK for a multi-million dollar NIL deal. Any truth to this? Wild
I'm curious to see the amount. But I think returning is in his best interest if it is even just $1M.
JCL looks like heāll have work to do with the Barn Stormers. Theyāll be flush with cash and need advising.
@BeddieKU23 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Very unique situation for them and it's great to see, they earned it
Nice to be coming off a natty, should raise the amount.
This is not new, but advertising it publicly sure is lol.
BTW, Big Dave was named B12 Scholar athlete of the year.
Ive been hearing that we shouldn't be shocked if we see Oscar and Kofi back next year.
Neither a great fit at the next level based on their skill sets so they can cash in on NIL
@BeddieKU23 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Keep seeing Tshiebwe may return to UK for a multi-million dollar NIL deal. Any truth to this? Wild
Tshiebwe isn't a great fit at the NBA level. Too small to play as a center, not a good enough shooter to play the 4. He's a great college player, but may not find a role as a pro.
@justanotherfan said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@BeddieKU23 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Keep seeing Tshiebwe may return to UK for a multi-million dollar NIL deal. Any truth to this? Wild
Tshiebwe isn't a great fit at the NBA level. Too small to play as a center, not a good enough shooter to play the 4. He's a great college player, but may not find a role as a pro.
Aas great a rebounder as he is, Tshiebwe will find a role in the NBA. He also has a 7-4 wingspan so he won't have an issue playing the 5. I wouldn't expect him to be a superstar but he's definitely someone I could see as a role player for 10+ years in the league based on his rebounding alone.
I am with you... Tshiebwe finds a fit somewhere. And who says he can't develop more skills to become a more viable player? The guy has scrap and sense for getting to the ball... something not really taught anywhere.
I think he could eventually find a spot in the pros, but he has some things working against him. He's a guy that would have been a lottery pick 20 years ago but makes you think about it now.
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For sure... but part of not being back 20 years ago is players have more developmental options when getting to the pro level today.
My premise is that Tshiebwe develops considerably after college. That will be the determining factor for him sticking it out in the league.
I heard Kansas is sniffing on Dexter Dennis. Anyone else know something about that?
@justanotherfan said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@BeddieKU23 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Keep seeing Tshiebwe may return to UK for a multi-million dollar NIL deal. Any truth to this? Wild
Tshiebwe isn't a great fit at the NBA level. Too small to play as a center, not a good enough shooter to play the 4. He's a great college player, but may not find a role as a pro.
There's always a place in the NBA for a great rebounder.
@drgnslayr yiiikes. Hard pass.
@Crimsonorblue22 yeah, he is not great.
Stunning statistic.
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@drgnslayr yiiikes. Hard pass.
Watched some tape. I take it back he can play at the P5 level.
If anyone wonders how the ranked wins play out for percentages in the last decadeā¦ then offset this with the massive recruiting advantage duke has. https://betiq.teamrankings.com/college-basketball/betting-trends/win-loss-records-vs-ranked-opponent/?season=since-2012-2013 ā
@approxinfinity said in Next Year's Team Thread:
If anyone wonders how the ranked wins play out for percentages in the last decadeā¦ then offset this with the massive recruiting advantage duke has. https://betiq.teamrankings.com/college-basketball/betting-trends/win-loss-records-vs-ranked-opponent/?season=since-2012-2013 ā
What's also noteworthy is that KU has played 50% more games against ranked opponents than Duke....
@bskeet said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Stunning statistic.
NOT stunning! We are a dynasty. We are a world class organization. Football has the Cowboys, the NBA has the Lakers, MLB has the Yankees, and college basketball has the Kansas Jayhawks...
Ok so I'm confused and have mixed feelings. Question is and I have been a big fan while he is here, yet still sounds like that MAYBE Dave may return for a Super Season. - So if he returns , does that help us ? - - does it hinder us ? - -if he returns what does that do for the Big men Udeh - - Clemance - - KJ - - and our other big coming in? -- -I don't know what to think, part of me is really ok if he came back - would have experience -- solid rebounding at times - most times actually - - plays well at times - -he is a guy that has been there done that. Just not sure if it would be more beneficial or hinderance if he comes back. - - I don't really want to shove him out if he wants to come back - - BUT I don't want to lose another 3-4 yr big that may be more athletic and in time could be better then DAVE.
I'm afraid if he comes back - - Udeh might have a change of heart - - What about Clemance ? - - I don't know guys what should we do ? - I really like Dave - I really do I just don't know how to feel. There was times we would of lost some games without Dave for sure he carried us. - The title game he was clutch - -I dunno
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Many other mock drafts have our boys at similar spots. Braun put on a show during the last nine games.
@jayballer67 May I ask all who post here why everyone places KJ Adams in the big man category? He's listed at 6'7" but when he's on the court he looks smaller than that. Braun is sometimes listed at 6'7" and rebounds well but is always listed as a guard. For me the bigs category starts at 6'9". I don't see many players KJ's size listed as a big forward or center. But, to answer jayman's question, before his superior play in the tourny I would have been against Dave returning. Now, Big Dave gets to do whatever he wants; play center for us, coach, or take Brian Hanni's spot, whatever Dave wants to do. Dave's a champion and not many KU players can make that claim.
Because of his skill set and he exclusively played the 5 offensively. His defense was not an issue at all to seeing court time. We didn't have a back-up off the bench for JWill at all (I would consider sliding CB over when he came out his "back-up") so I feel like if he was capable of doing the things Self wants of his 4s since Josh Jackson then that would have been a way to get him on the court more.
To me, skill set is much more important than height for positions.
It could be possible that Bill goes back to playing 2 bigs, I think that would be a good way to adapt to KJ if he (hopefully) stays.
@stoptheflop said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@jayballer67 May I ask all who post here why everyone places KJ Adams in the big man category? He's listed at 6'7" but when he's on the court he looks smaller than that. Braun is sometimes listed at 6'7" and rebounds well but is always listed as a guard. For me the bigs category starts at 6'9". I don't see many players KJ's size listed as a big forward or center. But, to answer jayman's question, before his superior play in the tourny I would have been against Dave returning. Now, Big Dave gets to do whatever he wants; play center for us, coach, or take Brian Hanni's spot, whatever Dave wants to do. Dave's a champion and not many KU players can make that claim.
KJ being listed as a 5 is every minute he played this yr I believe he played at the 5. - I believe he was recruited as a 5 out of high school , could be wrong. He has shown no ability to make any kind of mid range jumper well as of yet while at KU - - think that's where he plays while at KU
@jayballer67 Listed as a PF by the recruiting services. I think those traditional player positions need re-defining. I would consider KJ a potential stretch big, based on his skills. IF he can develop his shot.
Tried to show wing/guard skills in HS but doesn't have them at the major conference level.
Whenever an opposing team plays a 6'7" big, I always consider it an act of desperation. I agree a very unusual player with the right talent may be effective in the post and not be 6'9". But those players are seldom seen. I remember how effective 6'5" Charles Barkley was in the post. I don't understand why KU is having trouble recruiting some real heighth, 6'10"-7 feet. Second half Big Davc against Miami reminds me why a true tall post is still invaluable. Miami had no answer when Dave got the ball inside.
@stoptheflop said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Whenever an opposing team plays a 6'7" big, I always consider it an act of desperation. I agree a very unusual player with the right talent may be effective in the post and not be 6'9". But those players are seldom seen. I remember how effective 6'5" Charles Barkley was in the post. I don't understand why KU is having trouble recruiting some real heighth, 6'10"-7 feet. Second half Big Davc against Miami reminds me why a true tall post is still invaluable. Miami had no answer when Dave got the ball inside.
Us having so many tall bigs soon is I think part of why KJ/his mom are considering a transfer. Zach 6'10'', interested to see what Udeh and Zuby are listed at once they get here. Both are very big.
It depends what you are looking for in your system. Nova has done well with short 5s. I think KJ could do great there. Very athletic, develop into a respectable shooter and that's a great fit.
I'm somewhat concerned with what we do if JWill does leave. I see some guys in the portal that fit out system, but I'd rather have JWill.
KJ did a great job of guarding 6-5 Miami's guard, Mcgusty!
@stoptheflop Vital from Baylor reminded me of Barkley
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
KJ did a great job of guarding 6-5 Miami's guard, Mcgusty!
Think he can do a great job defending 2-4. Can defend some 5s. At this point can be abused inside by someone really big/strong. A good bench piece.
I think being at KU should be a very good barometer for KJ and his mom. If he can't get on the floor here isn't going to go pro. Bill can and will absolutely take advantage of having a 4 who can score. He did it with the Twins, T-Rob, JJ and Jalen. He definitely needs to add some skill/develop an offensive game that can be more than catching alley oops at this level. Wouldn't argue that.
But I do pretty much reject the idea/notion that he is "basically a 5." The guy has above average handles for his size. Enough that Bill trusted him in the weave as a freshman. His shooting form (based off of HS tape) is better than Jalen's. He shows plenty of signs of having a good BBIQ (4.1 Assists per game in HS and showed plenty of IQ this season). He has soft touch and looks to be very coordinated.
The talent is all there. He just has to basically stick it out next season behind Jalen (hopefully) and then 2023-2024 will be his year. He is basically a jump shot away from being a ++ defender and 10ppg+ offensive threat. It'll take some work, but from what I can see the tools are all there.
I really, really hope he is back. I'm super high on him if he is willing to tough it out.
I rarely find that this route is "the right way" but I feel like it is in this particular case. In order to be forced to develop offensively, he needs a place where talent is there to push him each day. If he leaves and goes a step or two down, I just don't see how he ever is pushed enough in practice to develop his offensive game. He can get on the floor at a lot of schools. But he can't be GREAT at a lot of places. Just my two cents at least.
@Crimsonorblue22 Yeah. Mom is the BIG issue here.
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@Crimsonorblue22 Yeah. Mom is the BIG issue here.
Is the issue that another school is favored (like an alma mater) or is it all about KJ?
SMH
Hopefully a national title will help her adjust her perspective a bit. And he was on the floor on the final shot.
My thought exactly. I thought Self went a bit out of his way to stroke two guys (outside of the rotation players) at the banquet: KJ and Bobby.
@bskeet yeah, don't think Bobby is a transfer risk but Self does just love him. Bill will sometimes take one guy individually under his wing over the summer and really work with that guy. This happened with Dajuan previously and I've heard it's very likely with Bobby this off-season after recruiting is done.
@FarmerJayhawk Heard about this as well. Zach and Bobby pick game will be LETHAL.
The kid can shoot the 3
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I will just say there are things in our favor in regards to CB...
Loves KU (can't be overstated)
Family is already wealthy.
Not many guys have the chance to come back off a national championship with a shot to cement their spot in the rafters...
@Eric-san said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@Jethro Best part of this list is the lack of UK and SEC teams.
Iowa State having more than Kentucky is something I never would have expected. Kentucky fans are taking this all quite poorly.
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
I will just say there are things in our favor in regards to CB...
Loves KU (can't be overstated)
Family is already wealthy.
Not many guys have the chance to come back off a national championship with a shot to cement their spot in the rafters...
Wish I could feel better about CB as you, I just don't feel that well. - For one CB really has nothing left to prove now, part of an NCAA Champion Team , two , Just really can't see his NBA stock raising enough for him to take that chance of possibly injury where he has no NBA chance. 3 ya his family is wealthy, UT he not gonna be living with mommy and Daddy forever - he is considered an adult now -he has his own life and a chance to make some good money of his own -wish I felt better - if he comes back Great would love it - but I sure wouldn't want to bet the farm on it
@drgnslayr Don't know about that shooting part. Agree he can really defend.
Career sub 40% shooter from the floor fyi
@Crimsonorblue22 lol
Maybe he stays if KJ transfers out. Have no doubt he wants to stay. I'd be surprised but Bill has really softened over the years...
KJ's shooting form looks way better lately... @BeddieKU23 @Kcmatt7
@BeddieKU23 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Career sub 40% shooter from the floor fyi
No one in the country would be above 40% if they were forced to take the shots he took. Their offense stunk. Many of those were forced shots with a tick or two left on the shot clock because no one else would take the shot, and he was guarded. He has a great shot and on a real team would lift his % dramatically.
If you look at his stats, he shot 40% from both 2 and 3 pt line as a freshman. Then it was downhill from there. The team continually crashed their offense.
I know he's a Shocker and that is a negative for many... but he's a great young man with high character.
I don't know if he fits with this team, but he has a lot of play that resembles Och.
I can live with 1 year where a player's role is forced into this or that. We have 4 years of data on Dennis and he can't shoot consistently. Under 40% for 4 years is terrible imo.
The tape shows plus athleticism, defense (for which he was rewarded in the league), physically mature guard/wing. Tape shows he can make open perimeter shots with 176 made 3's in his career. Think he's a cut below KU level and the kind of impact player that will raise the ceiling
I'll just leave it like this. I bet Och would shoot in the 30s on that Shocker team. I tried to watch several of their games and they weren't watchable. Dennis was one of their guys having to force up late clock guarded shots. His shot form isn't available out there in college basketball, but with a few... like Och had. I hope the kid gets a chance to shine somewhere and he will disprove critics when playing in a real offense.
I agree Wichita wasn't fun to watch this year. Saw a few games & their current coach isn't the answer. Dennis brings plenty of experience to the table. Good athlete and defends. Certainly has some skills a coach like Self values. We have MJ Rice who's basically a younger/better version of Dennis imo. We certainly need to replace Och with a comparable body though so Dennis is an option, just not sold on him being the one.
We have an unbalanced roster right now. We should see plenty of roster movement this week & perhaps some portal action.
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
KJ's shooting form looks way better lately... @BeddieKU23 @Kcmatt7
Would be a really good problem to have if he can just hit a wide open 3. That problem being how tf do you get everyone minutes?
The only thing I'll say about Dennis - we do sort of need a 3 and D guy on this roster. Not necessarily a sniper, but you saw how that role helped with JCL and Moss. And neither of those dudes could defend. If he can hit 3s at a .380 clip and bring a spark on D, I'm interested.
There are not a lot of minutes left to give out. If Dennis wants to spend his 5th year as a mature bench piece, I'm good with it.
@Kcmatt7 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
The only thing I'll say about Dennis - we do sort of need a 3 and D guy on this roster. Not necessarily a sniper, but you saw how that role helped with JCL and Moss. And neither of those dudes could defend. If he can hit 3s at a .380 clip and bring a spark on D, I'm interested.
There are not a lot of minutes left to give out. If Dennis wants to spend his 5th year as a mature bench piece, I'm good with it.
Yeah we could simply...not have him take 2s except dunks. Classic Self wing role.
Dennis brings other qualities to the table, too.
We all have come to know that it isn't just if a kid can ball. Their attitudes are equal contributions (or not).
We may need a big dose of humility on next year's team coming off a NC.
I don't know if he's a good fit... that's Self's job. I do know he's headed to Indiana for a visit.
@drgnslayr said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Dennis brings other qualities to the table, too.
We all have come to know that it isn't just if a kid can ball. Their attitudes are equal contributions (or not).
I don't know if he's a good fit... that's Self's job. I do know he's headed to Indiana for a visit.
I just think there are better fits - better kids for that spot - seen Dennis plenty of times -Big time volume shooter - he is either hot - -or he is frigid cold - no in betweens - And when he is cold seems like doesn't matter he STILL keeps letting it fly -forced or not during those times can really hurt the team. - BUT you know what they say - -the difference between a guy that's a shooter and a great shooter - the shooter shoots he misses - -he is done - - A great shootere - -he shoots misses and keeps shooting cause he thinks EVERY SHOT is going in
Dennis left the team once... under the abusive behavior of Marshall. This kid can flat-out ball... and never fit well in that system of abuse and mental illness of Marshall... and Brown is in disarray. I think he's ready to show who he really is in his final season. Heck... people don't even know how athletic he is. He's another Och. And I bet he has a chip with him, and we can use any kind of chip next year because that will be lacking! I'm just thinking out loud!
I think about how he could grasp Self... and Self is truly a players' coach. He's never had that. To me, it seems like a great fit, but there is a reason I am at home and not coaching D1! lol
I just wish he had two years of eligibility left. That second year would be a real monster.
After so many years of practice deciphering the cryptic posts on this board, it sounds like Braun will be coming back. Big news. :)
@Crimsonorblue22 that pic of andrew jones is nuts. Shows the extent these kids will sacrifice their bodies to get a few inches of advantage on their opponent. Baller.
@RockkChalkk said in Next Year's Team Thread:
After so many years of practice deciphering the cryptic posts on this board, it sounds like Braun will be coming back. Big news. :)
Much more likely today than it was previously. Heard some very good news in regards to that situation. Really can't overstate how much he enjoys it at KU.
Just to keep it straight in my head...keeping track of the comings and goings.
NEWCOMERS
Gradey Dick / sf
MJ Rice / sf
Ernest Udeh / c
Zuby Ejiofor / pf
LEAVING
Ochai / g
JCL / g
Remy / g
Mitch / c
Cuffe / g
PROBABLY LEAVING
McCormack / c
KINDA MAYBE GOING
Cam / pf-c
KJ / not a guard? ha
Wilson / f
Braun / gf
Joe Y / g
We got some strange math going on! gotta find some guards. Experienced guards.
Cuffe is a lock to leave.
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Cuffe is a lock to leave.
Gotcha. i'll update my list. thx @BShark
Hasn't been announced but it will be. :thumbs_up:
Agree we need a veteran scoring guard from the portal. I'm sure Bill will get one.
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Hasn't been announced but it will be. :thumbs_up:
Dude was so hyped coming in, right?
@rockchalkjayhawk Basically a very athletic guy they took a flyer on. I disliked that they had him reclass up. Really needed the extra year in HS and then still take a RS. I think he's probably 2 years away, skill wise.
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@rockchalkjayhawk Basically a very athletic guy they took a flyer on. I disliked that they had him reclass up. Really needed the extra year in HS and then still take a RS. I think he's probably 2 years away, skill wise.
yea, the reclass part made it seem like he was a can't miss gotta have kinda guy. confusing.
@rockchalkjayhawk Maybe @FarmerJayhawk can confirm but I'm fairly confident we only asked him to reclass because Bryce left. Bill likes having the roster full.
And just to do math, which isn't my strength!
4 guys coming in
11 guys potentially leaving! Of course that won't happen.
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@rockchalkjayhawk Maybe @FarmerJayhawk can confirm but I'm fairly confident we only asked him to reclass because Bryce left. Bill likes having the roster full.
Makes sense.
@rockchalkjayhawk said in Next Year's Team Thread:
And just to do math, which isn't my strength!
4 guys coming in
11 guys potentially leaving! Of course that won't happen.
Guessing 3-4 early departures. Impact of transfers will depend on who leaves. Think we do need that scoring guard type regardless.
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@rockchalkjayhawk said in Next Year's Team Thread:
And just to do math, which isn't my strength!
4 guys coming in
11 guys potentially leaving! Of course that won't happen.
Guessing 3-4 early departures. Impact of transfers will depend on who leaves. Think we do need that scoring guard type regardless.
So that means we prolly need to find 4 guys from the portal, or 5-star unsigned guys :)
Looking forward to the shenanigans in the next few weeks. Go Self and crew!
@rockchalkjayhawk won't be high school guys. If CB and JWill are both back, probably mostly roster filler guys to replace roster filler Bill didn't like lol.
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@rockchalkjayhawk Maybe @FarmerJayhawk can confirm but I'm fairly confident we only asked him to reclass because Bryce left. Bill likes having the roster full.
Yeah the plan was to take him as a 22 recruit untilā¦ we didnāt
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@RockkChalkk said in Next Year's Team Thread:
After so many years of practice deciphering the cryptic posts on this board, it sounds like Braun will be coming back. Big news. :)
Much more likely today than it was previously. Heard some very good news in regards to that situation. Really can't overstate how much he enjoys it at KU.
He's king of the mountain. It's not like he's hurting for money right now, even if his family is well off. I think he will definitely get evaluated by the NBA, and he'll come back for his senior year.
@drgnslayr said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Dennis brings other qualities to the table, too.
We all have come to know that it isn't just if a kid can ball. Their attitudes are equal contributions (or not).
We may need a big dose of humility on next year's team coming off a NC.
I don't know if he's a good fit... that's Self's job. I do know he's headed to Indiana for a visit.
Great defensive player. If we only had to play defense, he'd be great. Offensively, he's sub par. I'd be afraid Bill would fall in love with his defense, and would overlook how mediocre he really is on offense. This is no Ochai...lol.
@approxinfinity where is that?
@Crimsonorblue22 in that story about Yes you posted
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@Crimsonorblue22 I can't fine anymore photos of Manhattan, Ames, Lubbock or Fort Worth that everyone hasn't seen 8 times twice a year. I'll be back when the new Big 12 is finally formed.
Dave officially gone, announced on Instagram. Kinda had to given we recruited like he would be gone. Would have been a bad look and burned some bridges.
More soon. CB and JWill should both declare without an agent.
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Dave officially gone, announced on Instagram. Kinda had to given we recruited like he would be gone. Would have been a bad look and burned some bridges.
2 out of 3 ain't bad...
@Jethro said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Dave officially gone, announced on Instagram. Kinda had to given we recruited like he would be gone. Would have been a bad look and burned some bridges.
2 out of 3 ain't bad...
We would have had someone leave that we REALLY don't want to leave if Dave were to return.
I'd put it at 1.5 right now. With CB being the .5.
I think CB has the best chance but I think J Will wants to leave more than CB
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
I think CB has the best chance but I think J Will wants to leave more than CB
Both very true. Talk around JWill is he wants to leave before every offseason and he ultimately ends up returning. It's mostly because his other options are not as good. If you flip flopped their draft stock CB would be 1000% back and JWill would have declared w/ an agent by now.
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
I think CB has the best chance but I think J Will wants to leave more than CB
Both very true. Talk around JWill is he wants to leave before every offseason and he ultimately ends up returning. It's mostly because his other options are not as good. If you flip flopped their draft stock CB would be 1000% back and JWill would have declared w/ an agent by now.
Did JWill go through the process last year? If he declares again, is he gone for good?
@Gorilla72 Fairly confident they changed that rule so that players can go through the process as many times as they want.
JWill can declare again and return.
I think he's in Disneyland or world.
Dave can still come back...even if he hires an agent...
slim and none, and slim just took the bus, but I can still wishful think...
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Jalen :smiling_face_with_heart-eyes:
:locked_with_key: :locked_with_key:
Has CB officially put his name in to the draft? 3 days left.
@BeddieKU23 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Jalen is having a 5pm Twitter Spaces today. Announcement? @BShark
Probably worth tuning into.
@Crimsonorblue22 yeah just click the spaces link when it goes live
Missed it. What did Jalen say? Or is the link still valid?
Jalen is still talkin. It's been good stuff. He talked about being in a dark place before the season but this year changed his life for the better.
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@BShark it wouldn't open for me. Dark place after his dui? Hope u took notes.
Looking like tomorrow is judgment today. Or I guess more appropriately today/tonight and then put out publicly tomorrow.
Your notes?
@Crimsonorblue22 Jalen is a good kid. Sounds like NIL is a real game changer. He uh, dropped some hints and mentioned how guys no longer have to rush to the NBA cause they are getting more than gleague in college.
@Crimsonorblue22 Figured that was self explanatory. He didn't really go into details but I've talked about it here before. He was disappointed in his draft feedback which led to the dui etc Early in the season he was focused way too hard on that instead of just trying to help the team win. That's why he was tight as hell and shot so poorly.
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@Crimsonorblue22 Figured that was self explanatory. He didn't really go into details but I've talked about it here before. He was disappointed in his draft feedback which led to the dui etc Early in the season he was focused way too hard on that instead of just trying to help the team win. That's why he was tight as hell and shot so poorly.
I think he will be 2nd in scoring next year, right behind CB.
We are entering that magic time of year... especially magic now with the portal and our new NC hardware. Self is a real magician this time of year.
I am excited to imagine next years team because we have such a good base to work off of.
*Anyone in here think we could be the next Florida and repeat in April? It would be nice to hear opinions before we salt down the team roster.
@drgnslayr RE: Repeat... Shhhhh.. To do that we would have to fly under the radar. Again.
If they get CB AND JWill back, they've got as good of a chance as anyone since that Florida team. Would get to keep pace of play from a season ago. A really good situation to put talented freshman in.
If they don't get CB back though, it'll be interesting. Would need some guys who didn't see a lot of time last season step up big. Would need the freshman to live up to some of the hype. Likely will need a transfer player to be an All-Big 12 player.
I do think Bill is about to do some things never seen before... Back to back would be a good start.
Might have jumped the gun on JWill returning, my bad.
Yeah JWill signed with an agent. But apparently you can do that now and come back if it's an NCAA certified agent? Lol. Probably gone oh well.
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Yeah JWill signed with an agent. But apparently you can do that now and come back if it's an NCAA certified agent? Lol. Probably gone oh well.
His agent is certified. Always thought heād declare.
@FarmerJayhawk Yeah. He and CB would be dumb not to.
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Yeah JWill signed with an agent. But apparently you can do that now and come back if it's an NCAA certified agent? Lol. Probably gone oh well.
that hurts , & if Christan leaves gonna be interesting. - -If Christan comes back - -means a lot why ? - - CAUSE we will STILL have our Dog , our boy with some attitude , cockiness , edge - I love seeing that when you can back it up - - Christan can back it up. Christan comes back next year might be better, NO Och to defer shots to seems like he passed up a lot of shots, I dunno maybe he just felt Och needed to be THE GUY. - Well id Christan comes back he can be THE GUY- I still have serious doubts about him coming back but the ol wise one says - Oh he will be back -so we will have to see - hope so
@Crimsonorblue22 can come back. Wouldn't count on it based on what I heard tonight. Seems like the interviews happened today/tonight.
3 transfers out is still my guess. With what I was told on who we are targeting, they are recruiting as if Jalen is leaving.
@Crimsonorblue22 I think he'd need a better offer than gleague. He wants to go pro somewhere though. His dream.
@Crimsonorblue22 i imagine it would depend on the contract
Got Snippets from TOS some comments about our incoming Frosh - sounds pretty decent anyways which I pretty much had been hearing and seeing anyways but this is what I saw;
Udeh : - -Love hearing this - - -High Energy , excellent on the glass ( That's really good to hear ) & really good rim in transition - - oh ya
Rice :- - -Power Wing with improved Skill level
Zuby - - - Powerful , ( nice , nice ) Explosive ( - -THAT sounds sweet always can use those types for sure ) - & Ultra Aggressive - Me Thinks I like EVERYTHING that was said about Zuby
Been hearing Udeh & Zuby still kind of raw but that's ok if they can produce in other areas and grow really good 3-4 yr players - I'll take that any day - -everyday. Coach and the Staff seems to have a history of developing guys -
Iām feeling next year will be good. Not going to cut the nets. 2024 will be our chance once Self works the roster for 2 years.
Sure makes me appreciate what Och did for us and the smart decision he made for himself. He also put in the work.
@Crimsonorblue22 Another senior or seniors (counting Big Dave and Remy) leading their team to a national championship. Been a while since a OAD laden team has won it. Maybe Duke in 2015 was the last?
This won't happen but imagine if CB and JWill came back and we swapped Cuffe for Hunter. š„¶š„¶š„¶
Cuffe was signing autographs
@Crimsonorblue22 if he gets first round feedback he will leave
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@Crimsonorblue22 if he gets first round feedback he will leave
And I think he will get that 1st round feedback
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@Crimsonorblue22 if he gets first round feedback he will leave
As much as I want him to stay, I think you're right.
Hard to say where that ends up. I think if he signs with a good agent they should be able to get him taken in the first round considering his skill set and measurables. He was our clear cut 2nd best player this year.
CB really needs to get that 3 off faster and flip his switch quicker! I hope in the scrimmages he doesn't fold, no bitches in the crowd.
@Crimsonorblue22 You bring up a good point- the reason I thought CB would come back was I didn't think he was ready maturity-wise for the NBA. I felt like his big challenge this past year was to be really good at the college level, and he accomplished that. I'm not sure he was focused or even thinking on the NBA at all- he didn't declare for the draft last year, so I've been assuming he was going to follow the Ochai path- come back for the senior year, etc. But I think he had such a breakout year that it thrust him into the 1st round picture, which could change things.
Until he shows more aggressiveness and an ability to take and hit quick shots, I just cannot see the first round. If he does that in the combine, sure, but I would pass. NBA teams need every player to be a threat.
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@Jethro Remember the posters on 247 that were saying CB sucked after the 20-21 season? Good times...
What about that clown that said CB should quit driving the ball because he wasn't good at it in the preseason? Boy, he looks pretty silly now. Oh wait...that was me.
LOL
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@Jethro Remember the posters on 247 that were saying CB sucked after the 20-21 season? Good times...
To be fair, Braun did suck during the 20-21 season and why a lot of people including me didn't think he should be a starter last off-season. There was merit to the line of thinking this time last year because Braun was a black hole on both ends of the floor way too frequently thar year. Obviously Braun improved enough to where he might be an NBA player next season when that was unthinkable 12 months ago.
I think sucks is a reach given his output his SO year. He was a solid starter that turned into a great one this year.
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
I think sucks is a reach given his output his SO year. He was a solid starter that turned into a great one this year.
His output as a sophomore was 38% from the field and 34% from three while being a massive liability on defense and being a non factor way too frequently. He scored 5 or fewer points 10 times as a sophomore. He wasn't solid as a sophomore, he was bad. Braun's play was a big reason why Self said KU needed to get more athletic because he was a huge factor in KU losing 9 games and dropping out of the top 25 for the first time in over 10 years.
Roster for sure gonna have a new look next year , you figure with Dave gone , Remy gone , Jalen Coleman lands gone , Mitch gone , And chances really good Christan and Jalen both gone then you can almost bet Cuffe gone , Chance of Cam being gone , - lot of new faces hitting the floor, yet I'm thinking were gonna be fine
Let's see , now that the guys have officially declared to enter the NBA draft , which we knew they would. Not that this is done, now so when is it a player has to announce and turn in his request/paper to enter the portal/transfer I thought I had seen May 1st i guess really no actual time line right all though there is a time they do or they have to sit a year without a waiver is that right? - We should start hearing about our transfer outs now - possibilities Cuffe , Cam , who else ? - KJ - I myself I just get this feeling KJ going to end up staying for another year to see how it plays out - - could be wrong mama needs to sit down and let her son decide he is old enough to make his OWN DECISIONS NOW
Love returning to UNC. An expected but important for KU domino...
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Love returning to UNC. An expected but important for KU domino...
OH ? -important for Domino ? - you talking about Hunter ?
Love Ochai so much. He gone as expected.
I do not mean to cause alarm but this guy is as connected to ISU's basketball program as ANYONE.
I hate the in conference transfer.
I love it, personally. ISU is our new farm team. YEEHAW.
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
I love it, personally. ISU is our new farm team. YEEHAW.
I LOVE IT TOO - -WOO-HOO
Had to laugh at a couple of responses on this - -Big time favorite : - ISU fan - - - Tired of Blue Bloods , if every blue blood fell of the face of the earth the world would be better fot it.
The response to that statement : Wait for it - - - Well try to be a MINI blue blood if you can - - - -Oh BUT WAIT - - - your Iowa State - -roflmao
Then this one. - Iowa State Fan Motto - - - Don't think - -- just Boo - - -lmao
If Wilson and Braun leave, next year's team will really be lacking experience.
@RockkChalkk said in Next Year's Team Thread:
If Wilson and Braun leave, next year's team will really be lacking experience.
Probably gotta get some experience in the portal.
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@RockkChalkk said in Next Year's Team Thread:
If Wilson and Braun leave, next year's team will really be lacking experience.
Probably gotta get some experience in the portal.
Shooting, shooting, shooting! We need shooters!
The ISU dude would be a fine get, but doesnāt fill immediate needs.
SHOOTING! :)
Portal experience is great but history has shown that it still takes the transfers some time to adapt into the KU/Self system. Think things could be a bit bumpy early season next year as guys are gaining on-the-job experience in games. Not something we are used to seeing here.
@rockchalkjayhawk I wish Bill cared about shooting as much as us.
@RockkChalkk I agree. I think we could be in for a rough start as guys acclimate depending on how things shake out. Getting Jalen back is a big key for me.
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
I love it, personally. ISU is our new farm team. YEEHAW.
Gosh... we may be hated even more in Hilton. Maybe they start screaming racial slurs at our players! lol
EJ went off for 39... I'll never forget that and it is why EJ is on my all-time fav list of KU players.
@drgnslayr - Hilton may have some choice phrases for Gradeyā¦.
@drgnslayr Have you heard the story behind that game? Apparently Bill tried to take him out and he just stayed on the court and decided he would shoot every opportunity he got. He said he kinda had to earn that respect from Self in order to be able to do something like that but he thinks ultimately Self kinda liked him challenging him that way. He talks to Landen about it on his podcast. It was super fun to listen to!
Mark Adams got an extension and raise of about $1 million to stay at Texas Tech through the 26-27 season.
@BeddieKU23 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Mark Adams got an extension and raise of about $1 million to stay at Texas Tech through the 26-27 season.
Really think he done a good job for them
Yepp no brainer to lock him up
Mark Adams seems totally legit.
Now if the KSU guy from Baylor turns out good...
It's all good for the B12, and KU!
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@drgnslayr Adams was a huge reason for Beard's success at Tech.
@Texas-Hawk-10 I'm anxious to see how Baylor and ksu do without and with Tang. But Baylor already has good players and not so much at ksu. Adams started out pretty good.
There's a real possibility we trot out Juan, Hunter, Mosley, Jalen 1-4. DEAR GOD.
@FarmerJayhawk said in Next Year's Team Thread:
There's a real possibility we trot out Juan, Hunter, Mosley, Jalen 1-4. DEAR GOD.
is that a good DEAR GOD, or a bad dear god?
I repeat myself, i know...but SOMEBODY has to be able to make a 3!
@rockchalkjayhawk said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Next Year's Team Thread:
There's a real possibility we trot out Juan, Hunter, Mosley, Jalen 1-4. DEAR GOD.
is that a good DEAR GOD, or a bad dear god?
I repeat myself, i know...but SOMEBODY has to be able to make a 3!
Extremely good! I think Hunter's numbers will get significantly better. Even Jalen shot it decent in league play.
@FarmerJayhawk Imagine Mosley actually getting open looks lol
Coach Self on with Landen and his dad:
KJ is RETURNING. No portal for mama Adams.
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Jalen :smiling_face_with_heart-eyes:
:locked_with_key: :locked_with_key:
:newspaper: :hot_beverage:
Great news
Glad to see this, I didn't think he would transfer out BUT with a mama thinking she knows whats best - -you never know. .I think KJ will just bring more be solid for us help us defend this title
He got a title and NIL money. There is no grass greener.
@BeddieKU23 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
He got a title and NIL money. There is no grass greener.
KU is literally one of the best spots for him because Bill overvalues short athletic bigs lol.
@drgnslayr said in Next Year's Team Thread:
He is starting to value small, athletic bigs. Didn't use to be that way... but he knows the value now of bigs who can run the court and guard from the perimeter.
I think HEM would disagree. :grinning_face_with_sweat:
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KJ has to learn how to rebound to really add any value beyond spot minutes at KU. I know others have talked about him needing to develop his shooting, but for as much time as he spent at the 5 last season, he is far and away the worst rebounder I have ever seen. That skill to me is more important to KJ's future minutes than scoring is. Bobby Pettiford had more defensive rebounds than Adams did this season despite playing the 1 or 2 spot and playing 60 fewer minutes this season.
If he can play D like Self wants, he can figure out the rebounding. He's a kid the really loves and is happy at KU!
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
If he can play D like Self wants, he can figure out the rebounding. He's a kid the really loves and is happy at KU!
His rebounding is honestly terrible lol.
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
If he can play D like Self wants, he can figure out the rebounding. He's a kid the really loves and is happy at KU!
It doesn't matter how good a defender he ends up being if he can't get a defensive rebound and end a possession because eventually the other team will score a basket. To give exact numbers, KJ Adams had 10 defensive rebounds in 178 minutes played. Only 4 of those defensive rebounds came against P5 teams. This is something that he specifically needs to spend time working on and focusing on this off-season because it's not something that's just going to come naturally to him.
KJ is going to be just fine people need to R---E--L--A--X. - played small sample size minutes. - There was a reason Coach Self put him in for those minutes when he did, and that was becuase our other 5's that was end was getting their ass beat on the defensive end and their lunch ate. Others players on this team wasn't rebounding thats why the opposition was getting 3-4 shots at the rim AND they wasn't rebounding plus defending so- - have a seat. - It was KJ that put the stop on some of these guys - -his rebounding is going to be just fine
@jayballer67 And if he never becomes a multidimensional player, his role will never evolve beyond what it was last season while he's at KU. You can't be a 4 or 5 at KU and expect extended minutes when you can't rebound. His rebounding is why he didn't get more opportunities against good teams because despite his defense, he was a net negative on the floor because he couldn't end other teams possessions and gave up a bunch of offensive rebounds and extra possessions to other teams.
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@jayballer67 And if he never becomes a multidimensional player, his role will never evolve beyond what it was last season while he's at KU. You can't be a 4 or 5 at KU and expect extended minutes when you can't rebound. His rebounding is why he didn't get more opportunities against good teams because despite his defense, he was a net negative on the floor because he couldn't end other teams possessions and gave up a bunch of offensive rebounds and extra possessions to other teams.
I'll take KJ'S line any time any where when you project it out. - Pretty hard to knock some kid for not getting a double double when he is playing less then 5 minutes a game & not saying he would do that even with extended minutes - -BUT I'll bet you this he gets those minutes like other 2nd- -3rd year payers I'll bet you the farm he averages 7 .5 - -8- -9 rebounds a game . - Is KJ gonna be the new whipping boy now that David is gone ?- -Never fails -easy to pick a guy out and constantly be on his ass and yet when he is a big reason for winning THEN he gets the ATTA'A BOY'S . In his limited time he got 20 offensive rebounds -had 8 blocked shots shot 52 % from the floor- -I'll take that anytime -he will fit as a solid piece of this team quite nicely thanks..
He may never be the starting five, but I'll bet you this - I bet he will have quality minutes much more then he had this year. Every player brings different things to the floor, I guess who knows maybe he won't be the strongest player rebounding but I bet you if he isn't already he will be one of the better if not the best big we have on the team. Plus you know and I know both if you can't play defense for Bill then your gonna have a great seat to watch the game on the bench right next to Bill - -Bill loves defensive effort you can't do that - - SIT DOWN - - again why you think Bill put him in at vital times ? - because the others wasn't getting it done defensively, Coach even mentioned how KJ shut the guy down when no one else could. -I'll take him with the extended minutes ANYTIME
I agree with @Texas-Hawk-10 .... KJ needs to go to rebounding school. He has plenty of energy and athleticism... two great qualities needed for rebounding! He already knows how to defend at a certain level (can also improve). He needs to know more about sealing the boards and also some education as to where rebounds go. I wish Charles Barkley had a school for rebounding. But then... KJ would have to develop a bigger ass to use to clear space... lol
@drgnslayr He can study under JWill and Zach. Both incredible rebounders. Small sample size for Zach of course.
@drgnslayr said in Next Year's Team Thread:
I agree with @Texas-Hawk-10 .... KJ needs to go to rebounding school. He has plenty of energy and athleticism... two great qualities needed for rebounding! He already knows how to defend at a certain level (can also improve). He needs to know more about sealing the boards and also some education as to where rebounds go. I wish Charles Barkley had a school for rebounding. But then... KJ would have to develop a bigger ass to use to clear space... lol
And I'll ask you like I just posted. How many rebounds should he have playing in less then 5 minutes a game? - -6 - -7 - -8 - -10 would that work ? - The things this kid brings to the table more then just rebounding is un deniable - when he projects more minutes he have those rebounds you talk about - nobody is gonna get I dunno what kind of numbers you are looking for in 4.8 minutes a game but you looking the wrong direction
@jayballer67 He had 10 defensive rebounds in about 180 minutes. His defensive rebounding rate was 6%. He was sub 10% in total rebounding for the season. Bobby Pettiford outrebounded KJ on the defensive glass in 60 fewer minutes on the season.
To be a decent rebounder, those numbers should be around 20% on the defensive end and 15% total rebounding. I'm not asking for him to turn into T-Rob on glass. I'm not even asking for him to be freshman Silvio DeSousa on glass. BTW, KJ and Silvio played almost the exact same number of minutes (178 for KJ to 175 for Silvio) as freshmen and Silvio grabbed 74 total rebounds (24%) and 41 defensive rebounds (25%). Those were elite level numbers.
Perry Ellis as a senior was a bad rebounder at 11% total rebounding and 14.5% defensive rebounding rates. I'll be fine if KJ is better than that at rebounding, but 4 defensive rebounds in 90 minutes is simply not good enough in the Big 12 for someone who plays the 4 or 5 spot as their primary position.
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@jayballer67 He had 10 defensive rebounds in about 180 minutes. His defensive rebounding rate was 6%. He was sub 10% in total rebounding for the season. Bobby Pettiford outrebounded KJ on the defensive glass in 60 fewer minutes on the season.
To be a decent rebounder, those numbers should be around 20% on the defensive end and 15% total rebounding. I'm not asking for him to turn into T-Rob on glass. I'm not even asking for him to be freshman Silvio DeSousa on glass. BTW, KJ and Silvio played almost the exact same number of minutes (178 for KJ to 175 for Silvio) as freshmen and Silvio grabbed 74 total rebounds (24%) and 41 defensive rebounds (25%). Those were elite level numbers.
Perry Ellis as a senior was a bad rebounder at 11% total rebounding and 14.5% defensive rebounding rates. I'll be fine if KJ is better than that at rebounding, but 4 defensive rebounds in 90 minutes is simply not good enough in the Big 12 for someone who plays the 4 or 5 spot as their primary position.
so you just gonna toss the offensive rebounds out the window huh - - ok gotcha
I guess we should just give up on him!
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
I guess we should just give up on him!
I sure the heck not giving up on him - -I'm fine with the way he is - he will grow and progress just like Coach does every year developing players
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
I guess we should just give up on him!
Don't believe anyone is saying this.
In addition to rebound, I feel KJ's path to extended playing time involves developing enough skill to potentially play the 4. Right now, he's a situational defensive player.
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
I guess we should just give up on him!
Don't believe anyone is saying this.
In addition to rebound, I feel KJ's path to extended playing time involves developing enough skill to potentially play the 4. Right now, he's a situational defensive player.
for sure he would help more at a 4. -Think we will be ok at the 5 with what w got and what we have coming in. - -Gonna be young and yes kind of raw but KJ hope can develop some outside shot
When looking at someone's rebounding rate, you have to look at how other players were rebounding. KJ not getting rebounds does not automatically mean the other team got second shots. He may have also had limited assignments to block out for other rebounders.
Don't know where those "lineup on the floor" stats would be. But cherry picking stats for a #8 or 9 or 10 player without context is pretty extreme.
I remember a couple games where one of our "experts" trashed Dave for having only 4 rebounds, but they ignored CB and JW having dbl digits. One of those posts predicting we could never get past the Sweet 16 with Dave as a starter.
Players do develop, you know. HCBS wants KJ back and has voiced confidence in him. Good enough for me.
Iām very much a believer KJ develops into a stud by his Junior season. Stoked heās back. Was the right move imo
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Jalen :smiling_face_with_heart-eyes:
:locked_with_key: :locked_with_key:
:newspaper: :hot_beverage:
Today? Tomorrow? Soon.
I imagine KJ's mom watching him workout with Julius Randle last off-season and thinking that was his trajectory. He already has a soft touch around the rim, and looks to be a capable 8-15ft shot maker. Definitely has a low delivery like CB which could lend itself to being blocked by lengthy defenders. He has elite quick twitch second jump ability and bounce around the rim. Agree it's hard to find a rhythm in a few minutes, but he seemed to always find a way to positively impact the game in those spot minutes. He'll easily score based on effort and cleaning up missed attempts. I'm sure coach gave him assurances he'll have a much longer leash to display his offensive talents.. hence why he returned. With Clemence and Udeh attracting the other teams true bigs, KJ should have many opportunities to post up smaller 4's, and smaller players when defenses try to switch everything or help off. Wouldn't be surprised to seem him average 8-12pts 5-7rbs early on next season, and have some breakout performances as the season progresses and he settles into his role.
We will just have to see how expansive his role ends up being. T-Rob barely did that his sophomore year and I look at them as very similar players and with similar skill sets at this stage of their development.
I cant believe an elite defender wont end up a good rebounder. The two skills go hand in hand. If you are playing good d youre putting yourself in position to get the rebound. Not worried and excited hes coming back.
@approxinfinity said in Next Year's Team Thread:
I cant believe an elite defender wont end up a good defender. The two skills go hand in hand. If you are playing good d youre putting yourself in position to get the rebound. Not worried and excited hes coming back.
The guy jumps out of the gym. Iām not worried about him being a good rebounder even slightly. Itās honestly a strange critique for him. I get the offense or his tweener size takes.
But rebounding? Seems like a non-issue for a small sample size
@Kcmatt7 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@approxinfinity said in Next Year's Team Thread:
I cant believe an elite defender wont end up a good defender. The two skills go hand in hand. If you are playing good d youre putting yourself in position to get the rebound. Not worried and excited hes coming back.
The guy jumps out of the gym. Iām not worried about him being a good rebounder even slightly. Itās honestly a strange critique for him. I get the offense or his tweener size takes.
But rebounding? Seems like a non-issue for a small sample size
Yeah, I donāt quite understand the bad rebounder label. He seemed to be in the mix a lot when on the floor. I recall a few times he lost the handle when pulling down a rebound, but maybe more nerves than motor skill.
More KJ!
@approxinfinity reread that
@Crimsonorblue22 Proofreading on the Web? Perish the thought!
He will develop his rebounding skills. He's 21 years old, completely dedicated to his craft... with the best coaches in the college world. Why wouldn't he develop those skills? He developed these skills:
@mayjay I make mistakes all the time. Usually I catch them, after I postš©@approxinfinity is kinda funny!
I share your optimism. KJ has amazing potential as a rebounder. He just has to learn the skills around rebounding.
@approxinfinity said in Next Year's Team Thread:
I cant believe an elite defender wont end up a good defender. The two skills go hand in hand. If you are playing good d youre putting yourself in position to get the rebound. Not worried and excited hes coming back.
Totally agree!
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@approxinfinity reread that
ha, edited. thanks for the catch :)
@approxinfinity all in fun!
@Crimsonorblue22 of course. :)
CUFFE IS STAYING THIS IS ACTUALLY INCREDIBLY SHOCKING DON'T KNOW WHAT TO THINK
Nobody wants to leave this place!
If somebody is coming back, and it's the least likely, there could be 2?
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Nobody wants to leave this place!
Our NIL is STRONG.
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
If somebody is coming back, and it's the least likely, there could be 2?
Think there is a very real chance everyone but CB is back. Add Hunter call it good.
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@BShark but playing time? So Dave's spot is the only thing for sure open?
Ochai and CB are leaving. Those spots are open.
@Crimsonorblue22 pretty sure yeah. Think he will be drafted in the top 20.
So 2 open?
Juan/Hunter/MJ/Jalen/Zach
Very possible starting line-up next year. Maybe Gradey slots in ahead of MJ.
4 guys coming in.
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
4 guys coming in.
Think we get 2 incoming transfers as well.
CB is one, so you only need one more. :leaf_fluttering_in_wind: :magnifying_glass_tilted_left: with Cuffe returning I think only makes sense if another guard is leaving, Joe was rumored on the fence too so maybe that is the way this one split.
Cam does count, but he is not good at basketball at all. There are also...rumors in regards to him at practice. Bill has softened a lot but keeping Cam would be...something!
Shay might be full of shit on this. HOT SITCH DEVELOPING.
@madmax said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@BShark Maybe a bit overly optimistic with my projections, but he passes the eye test in my book.
I hope he develops. I think it will be hard to find minutes for him next year but once Jalen is gone...
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@BShark not enough schollies.
How is it not enough scholarships to bring in two transfers? KU is losing Remy, JCL, and Mitch to eligibility, Ocahi and Dave appear set to pursue professional careers, and Braun is most likely gone which puts KU at 6 openings. As of now, KU only has 4 incoming players if everything else holds which means 2 more spots available for transfers.
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@BShark not enough schollies.
How is it not enough scholarships to bring in two transfers? KU is losing Remy, JCL, and Mitch to eligibility, Ocahi and Dave appear set to pursue professional careers, and Braun is most likely gone which puts KU at 6 openings. As of now, KU only has 4 incoming players if everything else holds which means 2 more spots available for transfers.
Mitch didnāt count last year. 5 counters out, 4 in.
Cuffeās spot will be available if they need it. Not like heād break news to Shay at a public event
@FarmerJayhawk JCL?
Transfer covid years do count?
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Transfer covid years do count?
Correct. Relief against the 13 hard cap was if you retained your Covid seniors
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
CUFFE IS STAYING THIS IS ACTUALLY INCREDIBLY SHOCKING DON'T KNOW WHAT TO THINK
Whoaaa, not that is THE ONE that stuns me. hmm this could prove vey interesting
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
If somebody is coming back, and it's the least likely, there could be 2?
Think there is a very real chance everyone but CB is back. Add Hunter call it good.
that would be kinda crazy wouldn't it ? - -seeing as we thought we would have like 3 probably hitting the portal - Still stunned with Cuffe.- -I mean it's cool I like Sam just have to see how it plays out
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
If somebody is coming back, and it's the least likely, there could be 2?
Think there is a very real chance everyone but CB is back. Add Hunter call it good.
So you still think Jalen comes back ?- I thought if not NBA he would go over sea's and play somewhere
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
CUFFE IS STAYING THIS IS ACTUALLY INCREDIBLY SHOCKING DON'T KNOW WHAT TO THINK
interesting. Self must like him, or he's not getting any transfers to bite?
@rockchalkjayhawk said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
CUFFE IS STAYING THIS IS ACTUALLY INCREDIBLY SHOCKING DON'T KNOW WHAT TO THINK
interesting. Self must like him, or he's not getting any transfers to bite?
Shay jumped the gun reporting this. No one responsible is reporting it. I should have known better. Also Swain (a responsible reporter) tweeted this while on vacation: š¦ View Tweet
KJ-- was out there on the last defensive play. Self loves the guy. And check out the tree trunk legs.
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This is funny!
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āIf KU rolled out a DaJuan-Hunter-McCullar-Adams-Udeh lineup the final score would be 2-0.ā
@Gorilla72 the D alone would score a lot of dunks and layups! D to O
So with all of this NIL money playing a factor, could we potentially see some players not take the "scholarship money" and open up that 13 cap a little bit to where someone like Cuffe could stay and develop if he really wants to and not get booted out. We've had it in the past where someone that is well off can pay their own way and allows someone else to take the scholarship. Just an outside the box thought as to how everyone that wants to be back can still come back.
@RockkChalkk said in Next Year's Team Thread:
So with all of this NIL money playing a factor, could we potentially see some players not take the "scholarship money" and open up that 13 cap a little bit to where someone like Cuffe could stay and develop if he really wants to and not get booted out. We've had it in the past where someone that is well off can pay their own way and allows someone else to take the scholarship. Just an outside the box thought as to how everyone that wants to be back can still come back.
Pretty sure NCAA rules don't allow this but I ask resident expert @FarmerJayhawk to weigh in.
@BShark Are walk-ons prohibited from NIL earnings? I feel like Teahan was cashing in with his shirts and stuff. Why wouldn't a high level player be allowed to walk on if they chose to knowing their NIL potential could outweigh a scholarship? Why does Tschibwe (sp??) need a scholarship at Kentucky? He can pay for his own education if he decided he'd rather participate as a walk on. It does seem murky but I'd be surprised if the NCAA had enough forethought to actually have a rule on this. Seems like the regulation side of this NIL/Transfer Portal mayhem is sorely lacking. But hey, the players are benefitting for the most part right now so I'm all good with that.
Haven't we had situations in the past where students with means gave up their scholarship making room for someone without the financial backing to attend college?
@benshawks08 it seems something like that happened in or around the time of the older Teahan brother. My memory is not horrible trustworthy however.
We definitely had someone go from Scholarship player to "Walk-On" before. Keith Langford helped out his cousin Justin Wesley by paying his tuition. Wesley went from scholarship player to walk-on and it freed up a scholarship we needed. It was only allowable by NCAA at that time because it was family.
But now, if a kid really wants to stay at KU if he thinks it is best for him for development/exposure/whatever, and coaches are agreeable to allow him to be a walk-on, why couldn't he do a bunch of jersey signings, commercials, whatever needed to earn money to pay his tuition out of pocket? I don't see how this is against any NCAA violation but i'm not an expert on that stuff.
The rule is once youāre a recruited athlete, you canāt walk on. That basically means a written offer or official visit.
@FarmerJayhawk Is that by school or like ever? For example, could a student leave one program with a scholarship to be a walk on at another?
@benshawks08 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@FarmerJayhawk Is that by school or like ever? For example, could a student leave one program with a scholarship to be a walk on at another?
By school. So hypothetically Baylor could walk on at KU since we never officially recruited him.
Itās still odd we havenāt heard anything from our guys yet. I suppose we could still just stand pat and bring in Hunter or Moseley. Though Iād love them both. Think theyād fill very different yet complementary roles
Big Loss for Michigan as Frankie Collins transferring. Former top 50 PG in the 2021 cycle. KU not one of the schools to reach out
So the NBA draft withdrawal date is June 1.
Are there any more portal deadlines before we can complete the roster?
@FarmerJayhawk said in Next Year's Team Thread:
The rule is once youāre a recruited athlete, you canāt walk on. That basically means a written offer or official visit.
I have a decent source that said we actually tried to get Chukwu to do this before he ended up at Syracuse.... So definitely possible. And I expect someone to do it eventually in this new world.
@Kcmatt7 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Next Year's Team Thread:
The rule is once youāre a recruited athlete, you canāt walk on. That basically means a written offer or official visit.
I have a decent source that said we actually tried to get Chukwu to do this before he ended up at Syracuse.... So definitely possible. And I expect someone to do it eventually in this new world.
That sounds really familiar. What a saga
It's messy because the scholarship does take care of a lot but it could be done in a crazy situation where you want to have more than 13 guys. Personally I don't see it being a common thing.
@BShark And when does Self ever really need more than 13? He said he asked a BUNCH of guys to red shirt last season because he knew outside of the top 8-9 minutes would be few and far between and those guys would be scout team players anyway. Only Cam and Cuffe took him up on it. He did ALSO say he'd never ask someone to redshirt unless he thought they could help the program down the line because that would just be a waste of everybody's time. And why keep a guy around that isn't good enough to help.
@benshawks08 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@BShark And when does Self ever really need more than 13? He said he asked a BUNCH of guys to red shirt last season because he knew outside of the top 8-9 minutes would be few and far between and those guys would be scout team players anyway. Only Cam and Cuffe took him up on it. He did ALSO say he'd never ask someone to redshirt unless he thought they could help the program down the line because that would just be a waste of everybody's time. And why keep a guy around that isn't good enough to help.
Yeah. We really played 7 guys last year, with other guys getting in when games were decided, or there were injuries etc.
So you really only need around 9-10.
@BShark I think there is a benefit to having 11 or 12 legit D1 players on a team even if only 7 or 8 get legit minutes. It allows the scout team to really challenge the starters. Self has shown and said he really prefers to keep rotations pretty tight. If a bench player can't bring something extra that a starter doesn't already provide then why play them? It doesn't ever seem like rest, overall minutes, long term wear and tear, etc. really factor into his in game substitution strategies. A player has to be visibly incapable of playing 40 for Self to consider dropping a starter under 30 MPGs (Dave this year on the foot, early Doke with poor conditioning, etc.) And we all know there are some non-negotiables as far as getting on the court on a Self coached team.
Iāve heard McCullar really wants KU IF he decides to come back to college. Thereās no rush on either end. As of now we donāt have a roster spot for him (Hunter and Mosley are ahead on KUās board) and I think everyone involved is happy to wait out the draft process
@FarmerJayhawk I've got good news about Mosley. Wonder if we have room for Mosley and McCullar or we are dead set on a small guard? Think we whiff on Hunter to the Ville.
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@FarmerJayhawk I've got good news about Mosley. Wonder if we have room for Mosley and McCullar or we are dead set on a small guard? Think we whiff on Hunter to the Ville.
Of all the names mentioned so far, Mosley seems like the best fit for our needs (imo).
I can't say i love the look of his jumper from 3, but if it goes in, OK!
@rockchalkjayhawk said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@FarmerJayhawk I've got good news about Mosley. Wonder if we have room for Mosley and McCullar or we are dead set on a small guard? Think we whiff on Hunter to the Ville.
Of all the names mentioned so far, Mosley seems like the best fit for our needs (imo).
I can't say i love the look of his jumper from 3, but if it goes in, OK!
Over 40%, as the main guy on a lot of bad step back looks. In our system as a spot up guy...SHEESH.
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@rockchalkjayhawk said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@FarmerJayhawk I've got good news about Mosley. Wonder if we have room for Mosley and McCullar or we are dead set on a small guard? Think we whiff on Hunter to the Ville.
Of all the names mentioned so far, Mosley seems like the best fit for our needs (imo).
I can't say i love the look of his jumper from 3, but if it goes in, OK!Over 40%, as the main guy on a lot of bad step back looks. In our system as a spot up guy...SHEESH.
I think we are in really tight with Mosley - looking really good
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@FarmerJayhawk I've got good news about Mosley. Wonder if we have room for Mosley and McCullar or we are dead set on a small guard? Think we whiff on Hunter to the Ville.
As of now we only have one spot, so might just be Mosley. But still over a month to sort out.
Did any of our guys transfer out before the deadline? Wasn't it last night?
@FarmerJayhawk said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@FarmerJayhawk I've got good news about Mosley. Wonder if we have room for Mosley and McCullar or we are dead set on a small guard? Think we whiff on Hunter to the Ville.
As of now we only have one spot, so might just be Mosley. But still over a month to sort out.
Yeah I feel like if we need the spot, maybe Cam just quietly retires or something.
When everything you've heard about a player vibes with what happens here...
Still pretty stacked if we only get Mosley. Just a little inexperienced. Will definitely need Wilson to take a big leap...
@approxinfinity I still think Cuffe is a candidate to leave if we need room.
@approxinfinity he doesn't seem to care and maybe it's cause they are just young and very inexperienced. Wish we could've heard a lil more of the set up. Seemed kinda weird.
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@approxinfinity he doesn't seem to care and maybe as young and innocent as they are. Wish we could've heard a lil more of the set up. Seemed kinda weird.
Won't post details publicly but there are a lot of reasons why everyone thought Cuffe would leave.
Been watching a lot of Ernest Udeh and if this kid gets the system down he should get real minutes. Getting the system down is no small task but his body is P5 ready. Again not any real skill to speak of but like Udoka you surround him with 4 guards/wings and let him rebound/dunk/block. Seals/screens very well, and has really good/strong hands.
@BeddieKU23 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Really good rebounder as well. I love what he could be here in a few years.
Zuby is an insane rebounder. Zach showed great promise there as well. The glass will certainly be secured.
@BShark hunter to the ville that sucks. Heās the guy I want most.
Harris
Transfer/mj/Bobby????
Mosley (sounds like) or Dick
Wilson
Zach/Udeh/transfer
Hunter in the 2 spot playing 2 small guards would he filthy. He can fill it up in our offense. Not sure Bobby can and MJ is an unknown. Maybe some guy in the draft spring Bill gets late like Remy.
Okay, Jeff. Sure. I find this line-up projection very hard to believe.
@BShark itās essentially what Baylor does with their bigs but Bill adds the wrinkle of teaching them how to post for easy buckets
Even on Landonās podcast he was the 4-5th option yet Bill said when they need a bucket they throw it down low. Was really hoping there would be follow up on why? Why use your worst offensive player on the floor just because of proximity to the hoop?
I get someone will say closer obviously higher percentage but Iād rather Frank, josh anyone drive over a Landon jump hook
Iām curious as to what Remyās plans are now. Is he entering the NBA draft? Overseas?
TIA.
If I were to guess he'll go through the draft process and play summer league. Good chance he won't make a roster. I think he really fits the euroball style of play, so I imagine that's where he ends up.
People are really sleeping on Zach lol
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
People are really sleeping on Zach lol
Yes they are , I think Zach has a really good chance to be a very good player - - energy player he has shown some ability to hit the outside shot occasionally ya somebody forgot to jump on the Zach Boat
Read off CBS Sports and I know doesn't really mean much at this point , but this is one of quite a few doing now and it was CBS way to Early rankings for the upcoming year. - It had us at # 8 , but also said the complexion of KU would totally change if EITHER Jalen or Christan returned , so I guess meaning we would go up with them returning - also said the look of Ku was goling to be toatlly different this coming year but that KU would still have the Talent that is totally off the charts - I'm ready - -throw it up boys lol
So if I understand this right , it's to late now isn't it from anymore kids to enter the portal now cause the deadline has passed and the 48 hours has also passed. Meaning that Joe - - -Sam And Cam would all have to sit out a year if they were to transfer now -right ? - If that's the case I wouldn't look for them to transfer with the NIL deals -kinda a screwy mess
@jayballer67 Yeah. I honestly think these kids are smart for staying. Itās been made very clear self values experience. Any experience is good but experience in his system is extra valuable. And a lot of these fringe starters/likely bench players donāt have to be the next ochai to get minutes. They need to be the next Mitch. The next Harris. Self doesnāt decide who plays based on talent. It drives many fans crazy and drove some folks off the message board for good but he values hard work, defense, and reliability. He plays the guys he trusts. They all just watched Dejuan Harris not even really be challenged for his starting spot by the best transfer in the portal. Pre season player of the year sat the bench behind a dude with a mediocre jumper and a can do attitude. So who is self going to feel he can rely on more next year? Isiah Mosley or joe yesefu? A bunch of freshmen or the guys who pushed a team all the way to the championship? We can (and will) predict lineups all summer long but when late night hits, self will be looking for one thing as the season gets started. Who can he TRUST? Who knows the plays, schemes, etc. Who can execute? Who will give that extra effort? Who will rise to the occasion and take a big shot? And yeah, any of these guys could see there way into a role as the next Mitch light foot, landen Lucas, Brady Morningstar, jamari traylor, Christian moody, etc.
@benshawks08 or they enjoyed the ride?
@benshawks08 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@jayballer67 Yeah. I honestly think these kids are smart for staying. Itās been made very clear self values experience. Any experience is good but experience in his system is extra valuable. And a lot of these fringe starters/likely bench players donāt have to be the next ochai to get minutes. They need to be the next Mitch. The next Harris. Self doesnāt decide who plays based on talent. It drives many fans crazy and drove some folks off the message board for good but he values hard work, defense, and reliability. He plays the guys he trusts. They all just watched Dejuan Harris not even really be challenged for his starting spot by the best transfer in the portal. Pre season player of the year sat the bench behind a dude with a mediocre jumper and a can do attitude. So who is self going to feel he can rely on more next year? Isiah Mosley or joe yesefu? A bunch of freshmen or the guys who pushed a team all the way to the championship? We can (and will) predict lineups all summer long but when late night hits, self will be looking for one thing as the season gets started. Who can he TRUST? Who knows the plays, schemes, etc. Who can execute? Who will give that extra effort? Who will rise to the occasion and take a big shot? And yeah, any of these guys could see there way into a role as the next Mitch light foot, landen Lucas, Brady Morningstar, jamari traylor, Christian moody, etc.
Exactly. like you say Coach looks for that effort - -someone willing to play BOTH ends of the floor, someone maybe not quite as talented but a guy who isn't afraid to dive on the floor, for loose balls a guy that isn't a black hole , a guy who is wiling to step in and take a charge , a guy who is willing to give his body up to possible injury to dive out of bounds to save that loose ball from going out of bounds . The thing is we all know or have known for a long time if you can't do these things but most of all if you can't play defense or just so so then your gonna have a really nice seat to watch the action right next to Coach
Most of all like Coach has said - really doesn't matter who starts the game - - it's who is on the floor at the end of the game, it shows who he trusts and if these guys can realize that and just play their role - - were fine
As we talk about lineups and bringing on other players it is a good idea to look back on our championship team from a stats perspective. Realize who is (or might) be leaving, and consider what we lose on the stat sheet.
https://kuathletics.com/sports/mbball/cumestats/season/2021-22/ ā
Gosh... looking at that stat sheet makes me wonder just how valuable those stats are and also how misleading they can be. For example, I don't think anyone in here will discount the value of Jalen Wilson... but he shot only 26% from trey. But he was our top rebounder.
That's why I probably look at these prospects differently than most of you. Sure, I look at their current stats. But I also give an eye test. I try not to be too judgmental on a player without knowing the environment he comes from. The factors around him will be his biggest influence on his stat sheet.
Chemistry has to be imagined, too. What do we have and what would help us most?
Right now, I don't see a team next year that will play anymore physical than our current team. I think we were fortunate we avoided playing physical/athletic teams (like Kentucky and Duke) in this years' March Madness. This is why I want us to secure McCullar. He gives us some muscular testosterone.
@jayballer67 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Most of all like Coach has said - really doesnāt matter who starts the game - - itās who is on the floor at the end of the game
I've never really understood this. It is who starts because the hope is that you have all your walk-ons in at the end of the game thanks to a blowout victory.
@tis4tim said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@jayballer67 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Most of all like Coach has said - really doesnāt matter who starts the game - - itās who is on the floor at the end of the game
I've never really understood this. It is who starts because the hope is that you have all your walk-ons in at the end of the game thanks to a blowout victory.
hear hear! We want the walkons closing the game...that's a PHOF response...
@tis4tim said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@jayballer67 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Most of all like Coach has said - really doesnāt matter who starts the game - - itās who is on the floor at the end of the game
I've never really understood this. It is who starts because the hope is that you have all your walk-ons in at the end of the game thanks to a blowout victory.
And yet at the end of the Championship game who was on the floor with 4.3 seconds to go in the game and KU up by 3 and North Carol had the ball with a chance to tie the game ? - -A freshman who had hardly played a whiff and there he is true maybe not guarding the main targeted guy for NC - -BUT a guy who Coach Self trusted more defensively -K J Adams - - Thats where Coach says it doesn't matter who starts
So, what does anyone know or believe will happen with Jalen Wilson? He wasn't invited to the NBA Combine, apparently. G League camp? Or is he working on his perimeter shooting and just doing the right thing and coming back to KU.
Jalen doesn't seem to be highly ranked on draft boards. I saw one consensus board that had him #93.
So, seems like if he wants to make more than NIL money, he'd have to go overseas.
If he can gain consistency on his jump shot, and control his handle a bit more, maybe the NBA will come calling next year.
I'd love to see him come back and be Mr. Everything at KU.
BTW, same consensus board has Och at #14 and CB at #33.
Jalen has been just staying in Lawrence, practicing with the guys. Contrast to David and Och who are doing NBA draft prep elsewhere. Tifwiw.
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Jalen has been just staying in Lawrence, practicing with the guys. Contrast to David and Och who are doing NBA draft prep elsewhere. Tifwiw.
I wonder what will become of Big Dave...
Thanks to everyone for the updates. JWill back to KU then? Fingers crossed. I love his nose for the rebounds.
@stoptheflop said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Thanks to everyone for the updates. JWill back to KU then? Fingers crossed. I love his nose for the rebounds.
Not done until itās done, but highly, highly likely.
I vote Jalen to return. Much better advancement environment for him over G-league. He has a considerable improvement window available right here... especially on that trey shot.
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J will and big Dave on the list going to g league camp.
Jalen Wilson will be a 3 at the next level and if he can show progress in that area in his game, specifically being able to take players 1 on 1 and shooting the 3 better, he'll end up playing his way into being a draft pick.
@BigBad said in Next Year's Team Thread:
I noticed that some time back and mentioned - -Love CB'S Edge/Chip - -kind of Cocky but can back it up. The one thing I have to agree with to at least some point is he does shot low and takes awhile to get it out of his hand , might be an issue but I think that can be an easy fix - - love CB
@BigBad said in Next Year's Team Thread:
How bad are the rest of this draft class at defense that CB is considered one of the top defenders in this class?
When I say thereās a lot to play out, thereās A LOT to play out. https://theathletic.com/3304957/2022/05/11/ncaa-transformation-committee-rule-changes/ ā
Relevant for this thread is that the D1 Council is considering blowing up the hard cap for scholarships by sport. If you want to put 25 on scholarship for hoops, go for it (Title IX applies). 150 football? Knock yourself out. Just have a womenās rowing squad of 300.
@FarmerJayhawk said in Next Year's Team Thread:
When I say thereās a lot to play out, thereās A LOT to play out. https://theathletic.com/3304957/2022/05/11/ncaa-transformation-committee-rule-changes/ ā
Relevant for this thread is that the D1 Council is considering blowing up the hard cap for scholarships by sport. If you want to put 25 on scholarship for hoops, go for it (Title IX applies). 150 football? Knock yourself out. Just have a womenās rowing squad of 300.
jesus. when the rich get richer...this is out of control.
maybe in a year or two there will be only ONE team playing itself over and over.
College sports is a shit show now.