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Tonight's game is tougher than Monday's that's for sure.

Seton Hall- Kenpom #57, #91 Offense, #36 defense

Led in scoring by transfers Dre Davis (Louisville) & Al-Amir Dawes (Clemson) they are 4-3 on the year coming into Allen Fieldhouse off back-to-back defeats to Oklahoma & Siena. First year coach Shaheen Holloway who led Saint Peters to their magical 2022 NCAA tournament run seems to be employing a similar style so far at Seton Hall with 9 guys playing 17-28 minutes per game.

The player to be afraid of on both sides of the ball especially at the rim is KC Ndefo, the Saint Peters transfer who was a star in the NCAA tournament with his athleticism & ability to block shots at the rim. These are the guys that give KU major problems every year. Ndefo has 318 career blocks and counting and is the matchup I'm most worried about tonight.

Leading scorer Al-Amir Dawes has hit 50% of his 3's on the season so far on 34 attempts so Harris should draw this assignment and hopefully keep him in check.

Seton Hall has plenty of positional size, besides their guards Dawes & Harris they have several 6'6 type wing/hybrid forwards & have three 6'9-6'10 bigs to play alongside Ndefo.

Despite SH's struggles so far I wouldn't be surprised with a close game, Vegas has KU favored by 8.5 pts. The two games SH played P5 competition they lost by double digits & gave up season high in points so if KU plays a smart game on its home floor they might be able to break this open at some point in the 2nd half. It would be good to get some momentum going into December

Rock Chalk

@BeddieKU23 Seton Hall is 4-3. Hopefully they won't hit 5-3. I think KU wins by 10 but I wouldn't bet the spread.

@BShark

your right, corrected. Hadn't finished coffee when cooking this up

Let's pray they don't get hot.

We will need a hero in this one besides JWil.

This would be a great game for Rice to make a statement.

GD needs to fill the stat sheet with more than treys, but nailing some treys would be great.

Our post... I'm still closing my eyes... just hoping more resolved by B12 play.

After this game, we don't play another game for 9 days. Then we have a full week after that before we play another game. So, let's squeeze this one out, because practice is going to do wonders for us.

@Jethro

Just as important, it will hopefully allow Kevin, Bobby & Cam to get back healthy and join in

Watched Hawk Talk last night, MJ was on. Again, Self said he had covid, funny! Also said he was in hospital with his stones. But, I was impressed with his unselfish responses. Let's hope his actions show that, we need him. He does think highly of himself!

@Crimsonorblue22

Good stuff. Talent isn't an issue for MJ at all. Really hoping he takes to coaching because he needs it. We'll know when he buys in. He's not there yet but I hope it comes

If you have espn+ you can get it, he's worth listening to. He liked how the team responded to the Kentucky loss, that helped his decision. He was here. Asked Self some good questions, whether he was spoon fed??

Random thought- find out if Danny is coming into Lawrence for the holidays, and see if we could urge him to spend some time with our bigs. Maybe bribe him with some good desserts or something.

( I know- he works for Maryland, but I won't tell if you won't!)

@Jethro Landen Lucas has talked on his podcast with his dad about coming back to maybe work the bigs since its such a glaring hole right now.

Self has said many times they do the same drills that Danny did. Look at Danny's record. LL set good pic's. Plays decent D. We went to the first and only game ku guys played in the BB tournament in wichita, the one where Perry severely hurt his knee. LL was so bad! The Oregon game I was begging them to not throw it in to him! But he's a good guy, fundamentally sound, but can't shoot.

@Crimsonorblue22 Landen would be good as a coach. Oregon game was painful for sure.

@BShark said in Seton Hall Gameday discussion:

@Crimsonorblue22 Landen would be good as a coach. Oregon game was painful for sure.

To this day, I wish we would schedule them and destroy them. Wipe Altman's smirk off his face.

I think there might be some limitations on in-season coaching by non-coaches.

@drgnslayr What's the deal with Gradey's scoring disappearing in the second half? If he's not going to score, maybe he just plays the first half and a bench player or several get more minutes in the second half. I sure like his first half scoring though. I doubt it's conditioning that inhibits Gradey's second half scoring. Gradey's just the opposite of Wiggins, who really turned on his scoring at the 30 minute mark of the game.

@stoptheflop said in Seton Hall Gameday discussion:

@drgnslayr What's the deal with Gradey's scoring disappearing in the second half? If he's not going to score, maybe he just plays the first half and a bench player or several get more minutes in the second half. I sure like his first half scoring though. I doubt it's conditioning that inhibits Gradey's second half scoring. Gradey's just the opposite of Wiggins, who really turned on his scoring at the 30 minute mark of the game.

Could be an issue of not having a counter for the counter yet. Gradey gets going early because guys haven't really seen him. At some point, they adjust and the pressure is on Gradey to make an adjustment to keep rolling. Right now, he isn't making that adjustment. I think he will in time.

@stoptheflop

I agree with @justanotherfan ... When Gradey nails treys in the first half they adjust over halftime and shut him down.

He has to learn to exploit defenses. When they overplay him, nail them on backscreens, etc. Some of this is Self and plugging in plays to help GD. That's all coming over Xmas.

I believe 100% that Self is going to put in some big energy to develop plays for GD specifically. He's just too good of a scorer... both on the trey line but also as a slasher/scorer at the rim.

We opened up some early plays for Kevin... one of our less scoring options... because he was so easy to adapt to plays quickly since he has so much experience. Heck... he knew most of KU's plays while at TT.

They say KU is down FOUR Scholarship players - -who is the fourth ?. - Were down Pettiford - - --Martin - - McCullar - -who is the Fourth ?

Cuffe

I circled this one when the schedule was announced. I didn't know how the B4Atlantis tourney would go, but this has all the markings for a tough out.

@jayballer67 said in Seton Hall Gameday discussion:

They say KU is down FOUR Scholarship players - -who is the fourth ?. - Were down Pettiford - - --Martin - - McCullar - -who is the Fourth ?

Cuffe is also out

@rockchalkwyo said in Seton Hall Gameday discussion:

Cuffe

Ya that's right. I guess my old age cause me to forget him seeing as he hasn't really been any kind of factor in the season so far. - -to bad I kinda like the kid just buried by depth though

MJ and Joe are getting more open looks because teams are overplaying GD. If they can sustain their good fortune then GD will benefit me thinks.
As to our bigs the most capable is Zack. He knows where to go in Self's scheme on both ends. If his shooting shows up, mid range and deep, he has a skill our other guys do not possess.

Let's get it

Adams not taking that shot. He has to find a way

Does KJ have ANY post moves?

@DanR said in Seton Hall Gameday discussion:

Does KJ have ANY post moves?

None

KJ is having troubles

Pirates are criminals, stealing ships loaded with I-Phones, cookies and Honda Civics. They make people walk planks to get eaten by sharks. Jayhawks try to save the union and hate people from Missouri. This is really a battle for what's good, right, pure, honest and heck, the American way. (wait til you see how I introduce next weeks match against Missouri).

the lob pass again

Fact: Teams wearing gray uniforms are known to be bad basketball players. It's true because our football team has worn gray over the last decade and how many games have they won?

Who da u dah

BAD foul by udeh there

I kind of like that dark gray that SH is wearing

Wilson missed him

Harris had a nice dime

@wissox i liked our pinstripe grays with cursive on them that we inteoduced i think the Embiid and Wiggins year. Those were gray right?

That last dunk was the first easy points we scored. We can't keep just shooting jump shots

The Hall. Discuss.... I wonder if St. John is going to have a uni that says "The John"?

@approxinfinity said in Seton Hall Gameday discussion:

@wissox i liked our pinstripe grays with cursive on them that we inteoduced i think the Embiid and Wiggins year. Those were gray right?

I think there was a really light gray version. And a cream version, with was kind of ugly

@approxinfinity I have no memory of gray ku basketball unis so I stand corrected because it must've been epically awesome.

@Jethro said in Seton Hall Gameday discussion:

KJ is having troubles

this is part of the problem , has no shot. - -he is catching the ball below the free throw line and STILL not even looking at the basket - - -automatic kick out. - -We have JUST GOT TO get development from Zuby or Ernest

@DanR didn't they have words on them too?

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Seton Hall Gameday discussion:

@DanR didn't they have words on them too?

the pinstripes were actually the words to the rules of basketball, I think

I'm only commenting on things not relevant to the game.

Wilson got mixed up didnt realize he was last man and gave up an uncontested layup. Then next possession splashed a 3. Like a boss.

I wonder if our unis will ever say "The Beak"

@approxinfinity you're a bit ahead of me, so no spoilers.

I'm just watching on cable too, so who knows why I'm behind

UUUUUDEH

Coming thru!!!!

Oh my!

Gotta keep Juan on floor

Charge

Joe got whacked

5-1 on the foul count. That's very foul.

Come on Joe that's a point blank layup dude

2 fouls for udeh

ZUBY

Donde es Rice?

Except they're losing announcer man

Just awful

Gradey is shooting blanks

Okay Gradey, quit messing with us.

Zone

@BeddieKU23 said in Seton Hall Gameday discussion:

Just awful

9 glorious days between games...

We have a pair of young bigs that jump at anything AND everything

BS continuation and one. Had time to wrestle with Dick on the floor sfter the foul, then shoot it

Who's out for Kansas tonight?

@Zabudda said in Seton Hall Gameday discussion:

Okay Gradey, quit messing with us.

Grady kind of tailing off some - - think he will be ok though - -just a mini slump

Referees have ruined enough days of my life that I could have enjoyed one half of a year more than I've enjoyed already.

Utah stomping #4 Arizona by 18 at the half.

Joe!!

Where u going wilson

Way ahead of me

Gosh I love McCullar

This team will go to the ground!!

Kev has a nice looking corner shot

Nice Kev!

Mccullars 3s have impressed. Can tell he has been working his ass off on that shot

Huge shot by kevin

McCullar coming out swinging...love it!

I just like that he plays defense. Making 3's is a bonus

@wissox said in Seton Hall Gameday discussion:

Utah stomping #4 Arizona by 18 at the half.

Dang

@KirkIsMyHinrich 3+D = league win/win

Road games are hard

Kevin is definitely a little hobbled but damn good play so far

3 starters with goose eggs. Come on now.

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Seton Hall Gameday discussion:

I just like that he plays defense. Making 3’s is a bonus

Have MJ shadow him!!

zuby is pickin and rollin and getting no love

The fieldhouse is not called Phog Allen. Please announcers get it right so I don't get irked every game!

Never good when the bigs you need have more fouls than points

dual threats with both hot shot freshmen out there

Where's Rice?

Crazy how bad these freshman bigs foul

I hope we make it to 30 this half.

@wissox Oh, he just airballed a 3!

@wissox just took that shot

It's like we have 4 bigs who are freshman or sophomores or something

I don't think we'll ever see Gradey take a charge

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Seton Hall Gameday discussion:

It's like we have 4 bigs who are freshman or sophomores or something

and one who is a sixth year 25 year old

You gotta shoot the ball juan

@DanR Do you want him taking a charge? Not I! He might break.

Harris probably could have taken that

Ive got 1 more practice for my sons rec team tomorrow and we dont have a real offense settled smart 13 year olds. Anyone got thoughts on something we should run?

Well was wondering where MJ was - - didn't take long , soon as he touches it - - it goes up. Wonder how long he stays on the floor

@approxinfinity motion

@approxinfinity chop

@approxinfinity

Chop

Bigs look better to me

@Crimsonorblue22 yeah we went through that and a ball screen double high pick play loyola ran. Its a fun play but maybe a waste of time considering how litte practice time we have had

@BeddieKU23 yeah that loyola play starts with a handoff ball screen which i liked

@FarmerJayhawk said in Seton Hall Gameday discussion:

Never good when the bigs you need have more fouls than points

hEY THEY GOT four points LOL

Trayce Jackson-Davis might abuse our bigs in a few weeks

@approxinfinity Roy’s motion/flex/whatever you wanna call it offense is easy to run. Works well when you don’t have much size as well. Lots of screens

Like 5 fouls there

OMG!

All right

Throw good!

That was unfortunate

ugh

we get hosed for hustling

Weak crap dick

I'd foul Adams every time.

@Jethro hustling backwards

Somebody has been practicing

Grady's off tonight

Maybe gradey will flip things around and play well in the second half for a change

Kj!

Just one of those nights for Dick

Wow, even missed a dunk

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Seton Hall Gameday discussion:

Grady's off tonight

it's the shoes...

@Jethro What’s with the pink shoes? Dick loves boobies?

Atta kid Juan

Dick kind of looks like a Who from The Grinch

is Zach THAT deep in Coach dog house ? -Still coming in after Ernest & Zuby. --he must be deep- hasn't touch the floor

Once Gradey figures out defense can carry you on an off night he’ll be a great player.

Where's the HEM alt?

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Seton Hall Gameday discussion:

Where's the HEM alt?

He's here. He has more than one name.

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Seton Hall Gameday discussion:

Trayce Jackson-Davis might abuse our bigs in a few weeks

MIGHT ???????????????

Zach gonna blow this lead by himself

That was a sweet block

Wilson deadly passing at top of key😱

Dang D

Jeez make a lay-up

If you make a shot from the Jayhawk does that count as points in the paint?

Juan

Harris has an extra burst of speed when he needs it

Man take Clemence out

@KirkIsMyHinrich And one machine!

Wow zach cannot play

I called it center field

How many DAM AND ONES' are we gonna give these guys

Harris the thief

11 and we didn’t even play that well

Good play by Zach.

Good half considering the foul trouble

@wissox said in Seton Hall Gameday discussion:

If you make a shot from the Jayhawk does that count as points in the paint?

LOL- - -that's a good one

@FarmerJayhawk said in Seton Hall Gameday discussion:

11 and we didn’t even play that well

It's good to see you're alive and well after recent events regarding North Carolina

Harris on his way to becoming one of my all time Jayhawks. I love his story, how Brauns mom recruited him to KU, how he became an essential part of a national championship team. I love hearing stories of kids who have great difficulty because of parents inability to provide nurture and support enrolling in college and on his way to a bright future.

@wissox his dad and brother died.

@wissox

It's hard not to put a lot of last year's team on the all time list. Och, CB, Dave, Juan,Mitch, tourney Remy, Jalen. Just incredible

Jalen only had 9. I know who's shooting coming out the half

I would like to hear more about Dave's family.

In college I was in Robinson gym once and this dude asked if I could rebound for him as he was practicing shooting. I said sure, why not. After a while I asked him who he was and he said Darnell Valentine. I wasn't aware of KU hoops when he was in college but I had heard of him as a pro and it was kind of cool. What was he like as a player at KU?

@BeddieKU23 said in Seton Hall Gameday discussion:

Jalen only had 9. I know who's shooting coming out the half

And those 9 came early, then just kinda stopped. Not sure why

@wissox dang good!

Juuuuust a bit high

harris with the poke, lol

Juan the guy in the third row may look open but he is not

Harris with a classic pic

Wow foul. That's bull crap Jalen was mugged

I wonder if self had a special message for KJ at halftime. He's playing better

KJ gets the most elevation of anyone I've ever seen attempting a hook shot

The Self classic

Sweet sound

Have you guys ever heard an announcer say Self is good designing plays out of a timeout?

@wissox lol

👏👏👏👏

Nice hustle play gradey

Seton Hall has shot 22 FTs compared to our 9, but fortunately they've only made 11 of them

We need an emoji for gradey

Hey , we found a team that shoot free throw's worse then us lol

Jayhawk womens volleyball win their opening match of the tourney with a win over 7 seed Miami! #RCJHKU

@wissox sweeeeeep

👦🙋‍♂️💁‍♂️🕺🧍‍♂️🦒

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Seton Hall Gameday discussion:

KJ gets the most elevation of anyone I've ever seen attempting a hook shot

Wish KJ was just a couple of inches taller. Our problem at the 5 would be solved. Pretty mobile - -scores some pretty decent defensively and HUSTLES

Nice to see us winning a game without chucking up 100 threes.

HAWT

A lob! Wow!

Harris sees the lob before he even curls the screen. He's so good at that. Bigs will get used to it

Some good plays from Udeh on both sides

@Kcmatt7 said in Seton Hall Gameday discussion:

Nice to see us winning a game without chucking up 100 threes.

Not even sure how many we HAVE shot. - -Not many

@jayballer67 said in Seton Hall Gameday discussion:

@Kcmatt7 said in Seton Hall Gameday discussion:

Nice to see us winning a game without chucking up 100 threes.

Not even sure how many we HAVE shot. - -Not many

4/11

I keep the box score up so I can whine about FT disparity

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Seton Hall Gameday discussion:

@jayballer67 said in Seton Hall Gameday discussion:

@Kcmatt7 said in Seton Hall Gameday discussion:

Nice to see us winning a game without chucking up 100 threes.

Not even sure how many we HAVE shot. - -Not many

4/11

ya bettter then 20 plus huh - - seem to be working the lane/inside fairly decently

Wow when Udeh is knocking them down…

Adams is 6'7", seemingly an athletic energy on the court and tonight he has yet to grab 1 rebound.

Ya, Udeh looks about how I looked as a freshman. I was a little more cut but you know

@KirkIsMyHinrich thankfully knocking them down tonight

Gradey's gonna knock one down soon.

@wissox niiiiice

Kevin baby!

Good Gradey

Basket looks huge when your team is up 20

@FarmerJayhawk Lucky guess!

Jalen Wilson finally gets a whistle

Wilson was fouled about 8 times on that drive

Up 20 and still diving for loose balls. You love to see it

Mccullar making up for lost time this game.

we are stomping them!

Where's @RockChalkinTexas ?

looked like the foul (if it wasn't a tie up) was before that shot, IMO

Jesus another crappy and one call.
Come on refs!

@Crimsonorblue22 Texas?

@wissox pretty good guess

Final score Utes 81 Zona 66.

Anybody else noticed how fast MJ got lost and beat on defense ?

@wissox yes. I think her name is Karen, with the twin girls

@approxinfinity Texas is a big place though

@Jethro said in Seton Hall Gameday discussion:

Final score Utes 81 Zona 66.

Arizona a scorching 4-28 from 3

Maybe @RockChalkinTexas went to the Texas Creighton game

If Kevin starts hitting that shot ( The 3 ) on a constant basis like he has the last couple of times - - - gonna be huge

Stop talking about football

Ball movement is decent

Smooth

LSU has 2 losses and got their ass kicked by Texas A&M. No

Edit actually they have 3 losses

@DanR she hasn't been around at all.

Udeh looking much better

Udeh has 10

Dude this lineup

Gradey looking good all over the court. Having fun.

MJ is so lost

But he needs to play

For sure. Needs the reps and to get into shape

Cant really get dajuan a breath without bobby. Joe is an undersized 2

When is Bobby P back?

Rice is having a bad nightmare of a game, on a night where basically everyone else is padding their stats too.

Joe is fast.

Rice shouldn't be on the floor unless Juando is running the point. Otherwise he just freelances and doesn't learn anything. OF course, Harris came back in and set up a corner shot for MJ and he botched that too

Self , can NOT be happy with the way guys are getting lost - -defense breaking down repeatedly- -Joe looks like he might be settling in a bit, with Bobby being out , last couple of games seems like he playing some bettre

What’s wrong with Bobby Pettiford?

@dylans said in Seton Hall Gameday discussion:

What’s wrong with Bobby Pettiford?

hammy

@dylans hammy. Probably out until next week at the earliest

@Zabudda said in Seton Hall Gameday discussion:

Gradey looking good all over the court. Having fun.

see how quick he went from 2 points to 13 points?

MJ will be 5 star fine,

Crap. He’s a bit injury prone. Hope he gets 💯 healthy.

Box out

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Seton Hall Gameday discussion:

Box out

All year…

Yes always seems sooo close to clicking

To much sight seeing

Kevin has a few boards tonight too

You never would know Kevin wasn't here 4 years. It's insane

Jump

Another total BS and one. At least this ref is consistent.

What is McCullar's wingspan? He has inspector gadget arms

They look like they had a chance to practice.

@DanR long legs too

Giving Rice one more chance

ONE more time - - how many dam times are we gonna have a and one or possible and one from breaking down - - DAM

Six hawks in double figures.

@jayballer67 had to be at least 8 to 10

Gotta have him so 100 if that's what it takes.

Who in the country is a better player than JWill right now?

As pretty of a box score as you can have except KJ has 0 rebounds lol

3 rebounds total from the 5 spot lol

There’s MJ

Jank is in. Start the chant, kids

Nice MJ

This was an old fashioned ass whoopin

Wow Zach can’t buy a bucket

It would really be a lot more cash money if Clemence started making those

We're used to hearing it but it's amazing to hear announcer after announcer and poll after poll say AFH is the best place in the country to watch a game.

@Kcmatt7 said in Seton Hall Gameday discussion:

This was an old fashioned ass whoopin

Probably the best we've looked all year.

I did not see a 30 point win coming tonight

What is this chant lol

Lordy, the chant sucks

Who is harmonizing

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Seton Hall Gameday discussion:

Who is harmonizing

all of them

Good win. Long rest before we face evil

Felt like a get right game

Impressive win

Kevin with 17 points and 10 rebounds and 3-4 from the 3 pt line tonight- - say pretty decent game

@BeddieKU23 said in Seton Hall Gameday discussion:

Impressive win

I didn't see this big of spread tonight buddy - -pretty nice win

@DanR said in Seton Hall Gameday discussion:

Lordy, the chant sucks

ya what the hell has happened to that anyway

@FarmerJayhawk said in Seton Hall Gameday discussion:

What is this chant lol

prety effortless effort with the ROCK CHALK

15 steals. I find that very satisfying when we play a team named the Pirates.

Hold onto your butts my KU friends here is something that will rock your world - - - KU shoot 81.5 % from the free throw line tonight - - - say Whaaaaaaaa lol

KU had 15 stels - - shot 41.7 from the three - -out rebounded them 37 -25 - - pretty decent game - -EXCEPT the AND ONE'S

@wissox said in Seton Hall Gameday discussion:

15 steals. I find that very satisfying when we play a team named the Pirates.

Pirates ye be warned. Pay heed all who enter

@wissox said in Seton Hall Gameday discussion:

Referees have ruined enough days of my life that I could have enjoyed one half of a year more than I've enjoyed already.

Any time they have spoiled in my life is more than compensated by Denkinger's call in Game 6 in 1985.

Best thing about that game (other than the final score) was 6 guys in double figures. Love that balance.

@mayjay I made a lot of money that night delivering Pizza Shuttles 7$ pies. Phone rang off the hook until about 3AM after that!

Nice win, Hawks!

The good: McCullar found his offensive game.

The great: By far the best 2 pts a big has scored this year…Gradey’s pick n roll to Udeh. Awesome to see an actual non lob play to a big work. Very happy about that.

The fair to middling: MJ. Didn’t really assert himself too much tonight. I do think he makes an effort when headed to the rim. He can score there. Seems a bit of a wanderer otherwise.

The consistent: Dajuan.

A first half ghost: Gradey. He needs some strength and fitness to be able fight to get to his spot.

The comical: our fouling bigs! Lucky we have some interchangeable parts there. I say more hard fouls! Knock some people on their arses.

All said and done, a very nice win over a big conference team.

What a difference being able to practice at home makes. Really good win overall

I picked a good game to go to for the first time in awhile. Went through the thread this morning, good stuff.

If Udeh can just consistently screen and learn the defense he can really help us this year. That might be a lot to ask but he is physically imposing.

He and Zuby have the best attitudes. KJ too!

@Crimsonorblue22 Juan

@BShark

Lucky duck!

@BShark always! 🌾 I love unselfish, team first, Defensive guys best! I'm happy he is gaining confidence with his shot, it's looking good and at the right times.

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Seton Hall Gameday discussion:

@BShark always! 🌾 I love unselfish, team first, Defensive guys best! I'm happy he is gaining confidence with his shot, it's looking good and at the right times.

Good team culture is important for sure. When you have a good enough foundation you can take chances on guys like MJ and Chris Johnson.

I hope MJ sticks around, he could use it.

@BShark

Yeah if all 4 freshman return, wow. Rice, especially with Wilson/Kev/possibly Gradey leaving has to see that gigantic role staring him in the face. NIL certainly needs to help there

I'm sure gradey doesn't want to end up like Och, either. CB was just perfect!

@BShark said in Seton Hall Gameday discussion:

I picked a good game to go to for the first time in awhile. Went through the thread this morning, good stuff.

If Udeh can just consistently screen and learn the defense he can really help us this year. That might be a lot to ask but he is physically imposing.

You know if he could get free for 3-4 lobs a game , would be ok for now. - - Giving us 8 a game , let him feed off lobs this season , get him to work on some kind of shot during his of off season

We could live with that for this season - -play some solid defense - -watch him develop