We good.
From the sounds of it , Sounds like big point of emphasis for the game tomorrow is going to being able to rebound. Got to compete on the boards. - -- Arkansas loves to drive down hill they said - -Really don't shoot the 3 - - long, athletic really get after ya defensively , loves to get out and run. - Again gonna take a TEAM effort rebounding the ball. - -defend inside the arc, talking about how they at times just volley ball the ball tip it out keep it live - -really good size
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
@BShark we good! Guess what I had to eat the last 2 days? Might have enough for tonight.
I had some pork shoulder. UNDERRATED meat.
@BShark @Crimsonorblue22 we eat pork often, I have butt to smoke tomorrow. Itās good meat and so much cheaper than beef and chicken.
Not exactly, it was from Hog Wild!
As an adopted Carolinian, pork is an elite bbq meat. Whole hog over a fire pit is a spiritual experience
@FarmerJayhawk said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
As an adopted Carolinian, pork is an elite bbq meat. Whole hog over a fire pit is a spiritual experience
Oh ya hog over an open pit - - Nice pig roast dam good tasty eatin
I see what you did BShark starting the game thread 24 hours before the game starts. No way I can start one now.
Love pork shoulder. I love the bark. Cuban style with yellow rice, black beans, and plantains. Pulled pork sandwiches with baked beans and cole slaw. Taquitos with black refried beans, and spanish rice. Ok, I just talked myself into picking one up.
Welp, no Self again today. No reason to think this, but anyone else wonder if heās done at KU? I know, I know, probably not, just the way things are being handled has me thinking.
@HawkChamp said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
Welp, no Self again today. No reason to think this, but anyone else wonder if heās done at KU? I know, I know, probably not, just the way things are being handled has me thinking.
That thought occurred to me too. I'm not sure Self knows himself yet. I don't see any reason to panic yet, though.
@HawkChamp no. Honestly impressed heās been able to keep himself away. He said himself heās actually feeling better than before the stints but sounds like heās listening to doctors that a little recovery time not doing the most stressful thing he could do is a long term benefit.
It may not be a post-season ban, but it might as well be a post-season ban.
Yeah the post season ban is another theory people have thrown out there. Thatās very possible as well
It sounds like heās still very involved with prep and game planning as well as talking to Norm at halftime. No it doesnāt replace being there, but I guess at least heās a big part of the process still. Silver lining?
@HawkChamp said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
Welp, no Self again today. No reason to think this, but anyone else wonder if heās done at KU? I know, I know, probably not, just the way things are being handled has me thinking.
Oh yeah, he's gone. No one has ever made it back from heart stents.
@HawkChamp said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
@Jethro correct, assuming that was the extent of the issue. I mean, he canāt even stand at practice, which is kind of the opposite of what you hear about people after stents. Hopefully there is nothing else wrong.
Or, he might be so valuable they are taking extreme precautions. He looked pretty good in his interview.
The match-up with Arkansas is interesting. They start 4 guards who are all 6'4''-6'7'' and who all average double-digit points on the season. Then their fifth starter is a forward whom is 6'7''. It's a bit like our starting roster construction. Makhi Mitchell (6'9'', 230lbs) and Jordan Walsh (6'7'', 205lbs) come off the bench. Being able to switch everything defensively today might be helpful because they don't really have any bigs that can take advantage of a mismatch inside, though I still think Arkansas offensively will try to attack Dick and Wilson. We need Kevin and Juan to stay out of foul trouble.
Dam depressing that hardly no analysts giving us a chance to win today. - Is it gonna be a hard game ? Hell ya it will be.We got to shoot the ball we and rebound , rebound , rebound. - -They don't shoot the three well, they hardly shoot the three, love to drive it down hill.
I just feel we kinda being dis respected , not giving us any respect , like we have no chance.- Time to shut them up
Develop that chip in the next few hours.
@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
@HawkChamp said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
Welp, no Self again today. No reason to think this, but anyone else wonder if heās done at KU? I know, I know, probably not, just the way things are being handled has me thinking.
That thought occurred to me too. I'm not sure Self knows himself yet. I don't see any reason to panic yet, though.
Wouldn't surprise me that this accident would be just enough after the Season is ove if he just didn't call it quits/retire. - -This job is very challenging/stressful to say the least I mean you figure having to put up with the NCAA'S BS on a daily basis ,He had stated anyways that he doesn't want to Coach for a long time, wants to be able to enjoy the wife - -the grand kids do other things. - -This might be just enough to seal the deal. - -The stres of being on the road recruiting - -the games themselves. - wouldn't surprise me
@jayballer67 had the same thought this morning.
Only drawback is he has 2 titles and Iām sure would like to get it about 5. With Wright, K and Roy done and cal on a poor trajectory for once KU is the hot name for recruits.
If he can coach another 10 years he could rack up 2-3 titles if he has the best players for once.
Heās 60 though could easily see him at 65-67 being done
@jayballer67 said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
Dam depressing that hardly no analysts giving us a chance to win today. - Is it gonna be a hard game ? Hell ya it will be.We got to shoot the ball we and rebound , rebound , rebound. - -They don't shoot the three well, they hardly shoot the three, love to drive it down hill.
I just feel we kinda being dis respected , not giving us any respect , like we have no chance.- Time to shut them up
Sitting down here in NW Arkansas I've scoped out the more respected outlets. I haven't seen any disrespect. But most see a close game with an experienced KU squad winning 74-70. I agree but we have seen both teams reserve the right to get blown out at any time.
The pundits see the rim defenders and strong rebounding as a solid advantage over KU. Also this team has been touted as the most talented since the mid 90's hogs.
I'm sending/asking my wife to go play slots. She likes KU but not as much as the Hogs and she goes to bed early when they play like "Igits" (see Bugs bunny talking about Elmer Fudd). It's been January since I set my new WTF's record but I have changed my meds since then.
I am pumped up and even cleaned the bathrooms today. That means I'll have a good chance to get lucky tonight either way.
@kuballin10 said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
@jayballer67 had the same thought this morning.
Only drawback is he has 2 titles and Iām sure would like to get it about 5. With Wright, K and Roy done and cal on a poor trajectory for once KU is the hot name for recruits.
If he can coach another 10 years he could rack up 2-3 titles if he has the best players for once.
Heās 60 though could easily see him at 65-67 being done
I was talking to my Nephew this morning and was saying that IF - - again IF - -Coach ere to retire, who would we get as our next Coach ? - He started naming a lot of former KU players , name Roberts I said Nope Ku wouldn't want any of them like Turgeon - -Collins-- Case - -Roberts - -I said actually we wouldn't have any problem getting a big name Coach - Coach's would be knocking at the door. Then I said I know who I would like - I said Jay Wright would be a good replacement if we could coax him out of rtirement - - I said if the Money was right he might come out of retirement -I think Jay Wright would be a sweet replacement. - His background speaks for it'self
Will Arkansas drive the basket a lot today, thus getting a lot of FT opportunities, slowing down the game and creating creating foul problems for KU? I expect that to be the case. Wouldnāt surprise me to see KU use a zone defense a bit.
Iām glad Howard played hard the entire game. It wasnāt one of those blowouts where the other team quit. KU kicked their butts. Seen too many times where KU gets a big head after the other team quits, this isnāt the case. Kansas should be ready to play today. Iād be mildly surprised if itās as close as the spread suggests.
@dylans said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
Iām glad Howard played hard the entire game. It wasnāt one of those blowouts where the other team quit. KU kicked their butts. Seen too many times where KU gets a big head after the other team quits, this isnāt the case. Kansas should be ready to play today. Iād be mildly surprised if itās as close as the spread suggests.
I have no doubt KU will be more then ready to play today. All were hearing is Arkansas, Arkansas , Arkansas - like they are the only team playing today. Arkansas themselves may not be saying anything negative publicly about KU-but media acts ike this is over before the ball is thrown up - That in it'self should be some inspiration - Ku has some NBA players themselves - Arkansas doesn't have the bigger dominat inside player over KJ all guys 6'7 - -6'8 gonna be physical - we have to be physical. - Not saying 100 % we win - But sure the hell not saying 100 % we gonna lose either, - Juan has to come out and play - be that key role we need
Anyone else in Kansas keep getting the hog wild pit barbecue song stuck in their heads lol
Nervous about today. Idk why. On paper we should take care of this. But not feeling good about it. Hoping the guys can calm my fears.
Lil perspective tho. No matter what happens we will still be the Reigning National Champions for a couple more weeks at the minimum
I don't feel good about coach! Drs released him. Mind over matter. Said he did a lot of sitting at practice, he can do the same at the game. Maybe he's done coaching, period, that worried. We really need him today. I'm bummed.
@Crimsonorblue22 ya it feels like the kind of game where the guys may need some "Self" motivation
@Crimsonorblue22 the rumor mill is rolling like crazy that he is retiring when this is done. I find it hard to believe heād just up and retire after not being on the bench. I think if he was done, heād be there with the team.
Certainly this sucks. Teams like Arkansas give Self difficulties in the tournament with their length and athletic abilities so it's hard not to think it will be even more difficult for Norm to win this. I know it's the players that ultimately have to make the plays but we all know the tremendous impact our coach has on a game and without him we are vulnerable.
Hoping our guys are just built different and overcome, adapt and play their hearts out. I can't imagine Jalen is going to let us down, he's been the ultimate competitor and I'm putting my faith in him rallying these guys to a big performance.
Pure speculation. But if CS is done. Any. chance its IARP/sanction related? Perhaps unfavorable news in that regard pushing a health retirement prior to an uglier situation. Wouldn't think so because nobody involved into the corruption deal has gotten the proverbial hammer. But as I said. Speculation
@cragarhawk I would think that probably wouldnāt be case just because they are counting these games towards Selfs records and would want to keep the wins.
@kjayhawks terrible paranoid thoughts while waiting on this seemingly endless block of time till the tip.
Screw all this. We're gonna a win today. CS back for next week and all is right
Now we get to hear Kellogg - -Barkley-all them idiots gonna talk about how they like Arkansas - really gonna defend Ku get down hill on his kill us on the boards- here we go ready ?
Everybody talk about Arkansas defense - -we can play a little defense ourselves
Might not be on much for this one.
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
I don't feel good about coach! Drs released him. Mind over matter. Said he did a lot of sitting at practice, he can do the same at the game. Maybe he's done coaching, period, that worried. We really need him today. I'm bummed.
Lots of people overreacting wow.
He is a week removed from invasive surgery. I don't think he should coach next week if we win today.
Awesome Juan stat here.
I am too nervous but I have to respect Coach's decision to take his health seriously and do what's best. I am forever a fan of the team that is up with a real challenge and I am here to support them.
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Tip now 5:25 est
@BeddieKU23 Dookies are losing š
Coach Self on pre game talking with Hanni
Coach Self talking about hoping to be back with the team next week - saying decision was made by some Doctors and everyone- -not quite there yet - -but feeling good
This we be a long 20 minutes
Self talking about Council - -Smith - -& Black - - us being able to handle Arkansas prssure
Let's go boys
We know it will be physical, just like the Duke-Tennessee game. We canāt let that get into our heads and must start fast!
Wow Duke lost both halves, nice!
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cp8dC62grJ0/?igshid=MGU3ZTQzNzY= ā
Coach Self interview clip
Hope the refs dont swallow their whistles if we get mugged
Ya I'd look for a highly physical game. We're gonna holler at the TV some. Lol
We just gotta hope they have trouble they struggle shooting the ball tody -and got to hit the board
I sure wish Self was coaching, his health be damned. Ater all, it would really help our team to worry about him every time they looked at the sideline.
Sorry, some people are just nucking futs!
Alright let's get this W no matter what
let's go, guys!
@approxinfinity I have, we all know. Just not that particularly comment!
This is fun. Little pressure really. Coach is out, we're the defending champs, lots of picks showing Arkansas or whatever. I won't be nervous til the last 30 seconds today.
butterflies
Our offensive rebounding is great! Which also means we missed a bunch of shots already.
20 seconds in and we have a steal I like it
Huge miss on that lob
Make that 2 steals
@kjayhawks Wide open, simple bounce pass would suffice.
JUANDO
Juando being aggressive. He has to do that today
Nice Jaun
We're attacking the basket - keep that up...
Oh. Iām not sure they can guard us. Early, but Juan getting where he wants when he wants
KJ actually looks big out there
YES
Also if they want to take this awful long 2s all day weāll win by 10
Run and gun š¾
Great start good energy
JW
Love the aggression
Playing focused, but loose right now...
Dang I thought the MonStars were way too long and athletic to run against
We are here to kick someone / anyones ass right now. Keep it up!
I hope we don't have to be like the Iowa wrestling mom today.
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Lmao PLEASE try to beat us with jumpers Arkansas
Rebounding is great right now!
Gradey with big boards
WOW...WE'RE AHEAD OF THE CELTICS!
We play best in our white unisš¾
Yes this is how you start
Good start guys - - seems like really focused - -keep hittin those Boards make them pay hustle
@kjayhawks said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
Rebounding is great right now!
agree gotta stay with it - -pedal to the medal on these boards
The Athletic's panel of predictors all picked KU. Don't wanna upset your chip, everybody, but the disrespect thing is not really so bad!
@approxinfinity She is the mom of a kid going for his 4th straight national championship who got upset last night, get this, by a kid from Purdue. They're calling it the biggest upset in wrestling history.
Our ball
Love the energy. Come on. Lid off the bucket please
Womp Womp
Lets put Arkansas through 40 minutes of hell
KJ SLAM!
We are playing with down 15 urgency
That pick and roll from the corner is nasty.
AR all one on one stuff...
Saw Cole was there with Mitch ā¤
@DCHawker said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
AR all one on one stuff...
As I watched their last game it was the same.
We're not making any outside shots - but scoring fairly easily inside. I don't think they can guard us...
It's early yet.
Hacked
JWill didn't know he lost the ball
Come on guys gotta keep on glass they live on the offensive boards. 4 of their 6 is from that.
Our energy is good but itās not like we are shooting them out of the gym or anything. Still room for us to turn this up another notch.
Damn those 2 possessions really hurt
Dam we got to keep the pressure on -hit shots- - need Grady to shake loose hit a couple of threes. - -We have been really good on the boards
@BeddieKU23 said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
Damn those 2 possessions really hurt
Getting good shots until that last one.
Iāll live with Juan shooting wide open threes. Theyāll go down eventually.
nervous bout time Norm subsitute - -look out
0 for 3 from 3. Hogs are 0 for 5
@benshawks08 or gradey will dunk the miss
Anyone remember beating Arkansas in the 1993 tournament on the way to the final four?
@benshawks08 yep just keep doing what weāre doing. We should be up more than we are, but weāre winning every facet of the game right now.
Yes is out there oh boy
Udeh hands
Ok great block but whose man was that?
I've seen the hogs relentlessly on the boards.
poor udeh
Come on yes.
Sloppy. Come on
No Yes
Doing our 30% FGS
Juando should be able to score at will against that guy
Just me or Jalen lazy on d twice in a row?
Joe!!!!!!!!
Finally juan
Wow
Mr March Yesefu
Juan should go for 20. They CAN NOT GUARD HIM
Yes Yes!
JOE FROM HALF COURT
Yes yes lol
O boards boys
Mr March
Scoreboard guy trying to help us on that FT
I like that we matched their junk three with an even junkier three
We look pretty good
Winning while missing shots. Iāll take it. Good first half of the first half.
Defense has waned since the start - tough to keep that intensity all game...
Gotta keep the energy. They donāt look like they will go away.
Were not getting any defensive stops
They definitely came ready to play
What number is smith?
Joe with a great shot but man his defense
Who's guarding council?
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
Who's guarding council?
Switching everything. So kind of everyone.
@kjayhawks said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
Joe with a great shot but man his defense
Our whole team defense sucks right now
oh lord Bobby is in
Arkansas should have stayed in the SW conference and then become part of the Big 8/12
Thought Bobby was gonna blow that.
Ugh
An 1
KJ got fouled?
Just keep working it inside. And, communicate on defense...
Wilson need to hustle back?
@wissox said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
KJ got fouled?
Middleman working the refs even on the interview.
way to go, dummass
Missing free throws come on guys
We are battling hard came out aggressive
Good juan so far gotta shoot it
Switch or donāt guys. Letās d up.
Good lord they're getting easy buckets. D up guys.
We've got to figure out these back door wide open lobs.
Not sure about that one on Udeh.
Eww
No Udeh twice now
That was actually a pretty good screen. Fin ref
Refs suck. No Bill Self to worry about.
Why bring Udeh out to set a screen 30 ft from the basket. He doesn't know how to do it without fouling...
Hook
Thatās not a moving screen. First one was, but not that one
Wow that's blatant
Juan is feeling it. What a dime!
KEVIN š
@DCHawker said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
Why bring Udeh out to set a screen 30 ft from the basket. He doesn't know how to do it without fouling...
That is a good point
Beautiful pass
WOW what a pass for that should be a back up PG!
Juan is elite
Juan Paul in the open court where heās at his best!!!
Way to run the floor kevin
@Crimsonorblue22 he knows spacing, cutting everything Self loves!
Letās go blow these guys outā¦canāt stand musselman
We have to communicate the switches better, only issue defensively
@kjayhawks said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
We have to communicate the switches better, only issue defensively
Think kj might be the problem here.
I just went back and watched the Udeh screen. He did nothing wrong. Literally nothing wrong.
Whew guys , we have dodgeda couple of bullets, but the boys playing their ass off. - just got to stiffen the dam defense - -i think Arkansas has made it about 7 straight times - -let's go boys - - ROCK CHALK
Juando Juando Juando
Make free throws!!!
@wissox said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
I just went back and watched the Udeh screen. He did nothing wrong. Literally nothing wrong.
THATS WAHT hANNI & gURLY WAS SAYING TO HE DID NOTHING
I'm glad my daughter didn't grow up to be a cheerleader and have to wear a shirt that says hogs on it.
Udeh⦠man. Tough break.
I got my 1912 tshirt on and my long dangly KU earrings
Maybe zuby? Can rebound.
We're not really thin at the 5 spot though
Horrible.
Come on Dick
Oh shit.
We don't need to take contested 3s when they haven't stopped plays inside...
Fuck
Come on man, bullshit fouls
Whelp. Been a good season. See you next year.
Next man up.
Patch him up, Doc.
Prove us wrong. Bobby.
Rub some dirt on it
So f'd
Crap
Jalen and Kev should run point
They'll fix him
They threw kj to the floor and are mad it was called.
I'll clear this up for you announcers, he has shoving KJ with the body
That's the trash talker before game, huh
I believe in you Bobby, even if everyone else thinks youre a bum
another phantom foul
Announcers analyzing all bad calls against ARkansas but silent on the bad udeh call and the really bad mccullar call
@DanR said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
I'll clear this up for you announcers, he has shoving KJ with the body
If he was shoot king a three in the nba it would be flagrant. No room to land.
Zach???
Close the half out strong
Uh - this line-up????
I'm fine with Zach in there
Box out kevin
Things getting PHYSICAL and chippy. Fine with this line up now.
haven't hit the boards well lately
The worm has turned. Gut time
Not like kev with that bad close out.
Bull crap, he travelled before he "exploded to the basket"
Crap. At the end of the clock
Walsh has been killing us...
Block all day lol
DAMMIT ZACH
If we don't get Juan back
Kj didnāt foul him Zach did tho
Hit a few treys please.
@jayballer67 we are in trouble and Wilson, Gradey and Kevin gotta go ham for us to win
Gradey needs to get going 2nd half
@kuballin10 said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
@jayballer67 we are in trouble and Wilson, Gradey and Kevin gotta go ham for us to win
fricken camera crew out of place
We are okay just keep it at two possessions here
@Zabudda said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
Hit a few treys please.
Other than Joe's prayer, we are 0-6...
@kjayhawks if we go in up 5 that will be a win
Zach killin us
It didn't look like Juando turned his ankle it just looked like he kind of jammed the heel or something
Watched that drive over and over. Walsh changed his pivot foot when starting that drive. That neutralized our defender allowing him to drive.
Did Juan step on a photographer foot?
@jayballer67 he isnāt really a KU guy
Big shot
Zone??????
zone?
Couple of huge plays by kev
Hey, Norm only gets a few times to coach, so he's going to use everything
Oh norm. Way to go
Norm you Dawg
Kev has flat out stepped up like he did last year in the tourney against Duke
Our O ran all sorts of sets to start and that last Switching D up was good
Ugh. Bob
Kev is a man
Nope, Bob. Pass the ball
Man whoever this announcer is he really wants Arkansas to win.
Bobby is like zac
šJuan
Their drama coach on the floor holding his head, whiney boy
Seriously, multiple times with Bobby "trying" to execute an end of shot clock play - literally anyone else...
Half way home guys - -half time. - Get the boys some rest , get ZACH'S ass back on the bench - -and pray that Cowgill can work a miracle with Juan
Kev had a game earlier this year where he just took over.... who was that against? Baylor?
@FarmerJayhawk said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
Kev is a man
Yes he is buddy - help us make it to half- -been big this half
We need Juan. It's just not the same no matter who is in
Letās hope Juan can return here, good half otherwise. Need to come out with that same intensity we started with fellas
Howās it hanging? Sitting here in NWA watching at Gusanoās.
Been awhile.
@kjayhawks yea 8 is not enough of a leave without Juan
Our offense really looked bad that last 10 minutes. Gotta get the ball to Jwill and have to get Gradey some open looks
This is the Arkansas of the recent games. Can't hit outside but can board and drive.
Halftime crew talking about how KU has more than enough without Juan while showing highlights with Juan involved in every scoring play.
Just realized our one made 3 was that one from Joe š
Princeton by six over Messier
This is the Arkansas of the recent games. Can't hit outside but can board and drive.
Well we get Jalen back now in 2nd half
We seem to be happy with 5 to 7 point leads and are successful but it's risky risky.
Get through today, then KC Sprint Center?
still no update on Juan - -the longer it goes the worse I feel about his return
If you consider no Juan last 3:07 and no Jwil the last 2 we held a lead with both on the bench
Hmmm. Picked up old info.
Wildcats vs Wildcats š¤¦āāļø
Think Kentucky?
The feeling by the team down here was KU played offense like Mizzou.
might see some Zuby today with Udeh in foul trouble
What even happened with Jalen getting a technical in the 1st half? I feel like that was a pretty big deal and they just ignored it
Tiger Tiger game today too
What happened on the dble foul?
@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
What even happened with Jalen getting a technical in the 1st half? I feel like that was a pretty big deal and they just ignored it
Would have made the refs look bad to cover it.
@KirkIsMyHinrich I agree. Announcers annoy the heck out of me when they miss things like that. I saw the ref do the double fist thing which is the signal for double foul and then one of them said it was a double tech.
I thought it was a dble foul?
@RockChalkinTexas said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
Wildcats vs Wildcats š¤¦āāļø
Think Kentucky?
I think K/State MIGHT surprise them- but who stopping OSCAR- - or Toppin
I assumed it was trash talk
No quick run to start the half by them.
They showed the ref do the double fists which is double foul, but announcers said it was a double tech.
I didn't see anything, just the signal from the ref
I assumed it was trash talk
I missed it entirely
Kevin barked at someone at the beginning of a TO.
We've been on the downside of the foul count frequently this year, as today, 11-8. Listening to tv dudes you wouldn't know it because all you hear about is the bad calls going against Arkansas.
1st four minutes of this 2nd half gonna be HUGE
Whew fell asleep for halftime. Guess im feeling confident
Play by play on ESPN says it was a tech on Jalen and Anthony Black.
They ended up out rebounding us by 2 that half
Juan warming up. Time for a legendary half from a wounded Juan.
Juando sighting. He'll be extra crafty with the bad wheel.
@approxinfinity tired boy!
Juan
We are the better team with Juan and it showed no doubt.
I see Juan moving around oh please!
Welp - - Juan gonna try
Worried Juan has glass ankles
If he can get through this half he'll have a while to rest it
Princeton up 10 which I do have on one of my two brackets!
If he isnt always wrapping em when healthy maybe he should be?
@approxinfinity said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
Worried Juan has glass ankles
No . - -Juan got titanium ankles lol
I prayed at half! His life has been rough! He deserves better, so humble and unselfish.
@wissox said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
Princeton up 10 which I do have on one of my two brackets!
Ya let's go Princeton. Have to keep the Mizzou zero final fours statistic alive and well
JWill will will us to a win.
I Juan he should just stand at the top of the key and throw lob dunks
20 minutes to go - - got to get after them - -got to get Grady going hit some three's
Grade A needs to help
If we can knock out one SEC team and Princeton knock out another it will be a great day!
Calling it: Gradey for 3 x 4 this half!!
@approxinfinity Awesome! That was a great one upset for sure.
Stay down on those shot fakes boys. Let them shoot.
Bigger than UCMB over UVA?
Doubling Jalen.
Ok refs.
good grief ref
Jalen gets mauled down court last time. Then they call that on DeJuan
That's a foul. Sure
and that on KJ.
What is that call
Wowā¦..
KJ was held. WTF
OMG
What the fuck
Jesus. Okay. Foul on KU I guess is the story of this half
F this ref
A foul on Arkansas?????
Juan looks fine
of course announcer makes an excuse for the adams foul
YES JWILL
Throw that punk out
There you go Gradey! Get tough!!
Good hustle Gradey
Hook and hold missed on that
1000 IQ play by Johnson lol
Lets break these guys
Okay G:radey!!!
Flagrant? Lol.
š« š« like their coach
The zebras my lord
Landon Lucas been working with UDeh?
6ā10 dunk it from a 6ā1 white dude that can dunk
āLoses itā because he was bumped.
Foul. Foul. Foul. Foul. Foul.
Bullshit
Zuby to the rescue?
On Udeh?
Weak ass fouls on both sides to start the half
Udeh doing freshman things, KJ getting screwed
Ugh Zuby time?
Bench gonna be challenged here.
Yupp. What mental breakdown today from udeh
Your time to shine, big guy, Zube
Well we have Juan so that helps
Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OMG....i'm loving it!
JUAN
MVP whoever worked on DaJUans ankle
Called riding his a$$
THANK YOU MR HARRIS- - JUANDO
Wearing Juan's jersey!
MJ up off bench and cheering. Good look.
Lots of time left guys keep the throttle down
@BeddieKU23 said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
Wearing Juan's jersey!
you keep right o wearing it my friend - -bring us luck
I'm sick of the Steven Adams att commercial
This is what happens when you compare Kansas to Missouri - the team losing to 15 seed Princeton.
got to get big minutes from Zuby
I hate the Nissan commercial full of mascots not in the tournament. UNC, Syracuse and Louisville
I miss Dave ššš
Don't give up a couple of easy buckets
Hack. No call.
Floor burn
WithoutBS refs we would be up by 20
KEV
What a move! Kev!
Big game KMC
DICK DICK DICK
Grad3y
Grad3y
Where is the foul?
What else could Zuby do? He was vertical
Wow gradey
How can you play more straight up than that?
Dam these fricken refs love blowin their whistle on us
If anything thats dude throwing his elbow into zubys ribs
Fouls are only thing keeping them in it
Princeton letās Mizzou back in right at the end of the half.
Everytime we get up by double digits, here comes the garbage calls smh
I could maybe see a foul before the shot but once he went to shoot zuby was straight vertical.
we have to come up with a defense where we can guard - -5 - - -on - - -8
Al Ready 5 tetam fouls on us
Just need to drive it and foul up arky too
Nice blockout Zubes
Dudes....come on
He walked
Dick finally makes a long one and now hes sitting?
Come guys wake up here
Come on guys
We got to re group ---- oh shit Zach coming in
@wissox said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
Dick finally makes a long one and now hes sitting?
Tv time out breather. He will be back in soon.
At what point do we test KJ and or Udeh again?
@jayballer67 said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
We got to re group ---- oh shit Zach coming in
Zach about to cook. Don't question it lol.
@BShark said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
@jayballer67 said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
We got to re group ---- oh shit Zach coming in
Zach about to cook. Don't question it lol.
Lol
@benshawks08 usually the starter at under 5. With Norm?
@BShark said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
@jayballer67 said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
We got to re group ---- oh shit Zach coming in
Zach about to cook. Don't question it lol.
We know he will shoot it. Not scared of the moment.
They have taken 2 points off the half time score in a little more then 8 minutes - -somebody might want to guard Dumbo Davis
@benshawks08 probably 8 minute mark you put Udeh back in. 4 minutes KJ
Gut check time. How bad do we want the win!
@benshawks08 said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
@BShark said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
@jayballer67 said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
We got to re group ---- oh shit Zach coming in
Zach about to cook. Don't question it lol.
We know he will shoot it. Not scared of the moment.
Exactly.
Their leading scorer's got 3 fouls lets force the refs to send him to the bench like we have 2 guys with 4.
Up by 11 and up by 6. ugh
@Kcmatt7 said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
@benshawks08 probably 8 minute mark you put Udeh back in. 4 minutes KJ
Nice of the refs to have such a massive effect on this game. Personally I love it.
@BShark said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
@jayballer67 said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
We got to re group ---- oh shit Zach coming in
Zach about to cook. Don't question it lol.
question is cook whtat
@jayballer67 said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
@BShark said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
@jayballer67 said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
We got to re group ---- oh shit Zach coming in
Zach about to cook. Don't question it lol.
question is cook whtat
Fresh three pointers right off the grill.
Hopefully pulled pork!!
Zone. Yikes.
Ok the zone was cute. No more
Lmao zone? Bills going to have a real heart attack
Play the starters now, get the lead to 15, then hang on if/when they foul out
Zach has gotta sit. Weak.
Good God
musselmans a cry baby
Kj needs in
Zuby coming back.
Are you kidding me kev
Melt down. Would be nice to have a coach
Great time for a set play
cant hit anything
Just getting pushed around.
Here comes the nightmare gosh dang it
Run offense! We look tired
need to get the hell off 51
Couple big plays there by zuby.
Zuby snack!
Make āem Kev. Free throw contest from here on out
Arky sure makes some dumbass plays
Well boys heer we go
what is wrong with the arkansas fans? they look insane
Lane violation?
Jalen and Juan need to take over.
This is ridiculous
They muddied it up and we went soft this half
Gotta make the free throws
We got this
14 - -3 over the last 5:04
@Kcmatt7 said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
Make āem Kev. Free throw contest from here on out
Of course he missed
Felt like we came out super amped to win one for Bill and now struggling to keep up energy. Bill usually gets better energy second half
Put the starters in for the love of God
Them making a run this half not unexpected. Now we need to answer
Can one of seniors make a freethrow
way to take that for the team Kev. Now make your freethrows.
Free throws weāve missed a ton and front ends
This is how you lose
Arky free throw defense is amazing
Needed that
They call that, but not when we get grabbed EVERY SINGLE play
JUANDO
Wow juan big frickin stones
Kev fouled a guy with his face apparently.
Most Valuable Player!!!
We are up 6 with seniors making freethrows, canāt blame the refs for that stupidity
I hate these kind of games. I'm to old , can't take these single possession games
So thats 5 on Kev?
Or 4?
@approxinfinity no, 2nd or 3rd according to bleacher report
2 I think
3 on kev
Ok i remember he picked up 2 quick. Thanks
Go right at Davis
Finally a questionable call our way.
Wish they would miss FTs like we are
Juan not moving great.
By Mitchell. Of course announcer questions that call but none of the questionable ones against us.
Idk if he got him on the body?
Finally seeking contact on the drive!!
Do arkansas players even know what a foul is?
Who is this guy and when did he graduate from ark?
T his arse up
This announcer. Horrible. ANyone know who this guy is?
@benshawks08 he's ohio state grad, i think
This announcer can Get The Fran Out
Their coach is about to cry I think
@Kcmatt7 said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
@BShark still if we blow this one, we deserved it. We had every chance to put this one away in the 1st half
Norm etc
Kev. My god.
Ahhhhh
FT's are part of the recipe of upsets.
Kevin has some sweet ass drives this game.
Refs really want this to be about them.
four now on Kev. We do NOT need him fouling out probably more than anyone
McCullar should have tried to catch that ball he blocked
Stepped out
Imagine kj only had the two fouls he actually committed this game.
you are one tough hombre, KJ
QUADZILLA
@benshawks08 said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
Imagine kj only had the two fouls he actually committed this game.
Was about to say something along these lines...
This game changed once KJ came back in.
AND ONE! Huge
@wissox said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
This game changed once KJ came back in.
he knows the offense
FFS
Cmon guys. No more TOs
Come on
You fn kidding me
Not even close
@wissox said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
This game changed once KJ came back in.
He's pretty important for sure. Shame he couldn't play more.
come on juando
KEV
Dang bad turn of events. Need our general playing well
In all 8 of your faces
Is that 5 on kev?
that's not good. Kev out
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ESPN box shows four now for Kev, just changed from 3
Your turn jalen.
That 10 sec. Call was 6 sec
Whew its just 4
4 on kev, KJ and Udeh
Good God can we go play defense ONE time doown the flor without these guys blowin a whistle
Seriously i counted 7 @Crinsonorblue22 super shady
@DanR said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
Whew its just 4
Didnāt think heād make that mistake on number 5.
It goes by the shot clock. They donāt even count anymore
@jayballer67 said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
Good God can we go play defense ONE time doown the flor without these guys blowin a whistle
No
Yep the 10 call was legit
Juan layup and 10 second - come on kid step up
Kev manning up!
Gradey and Wilson close it out!!!
Free throws!
Gonna be a freethrow contest, KJ 59% on the is 6/7 can the guys feed off that.
@Crimsonorblue22 Shot Clock was on 20 as he crossed the line. Ref should look at that clock when making the determination if it's a 10 second call.
The lineups in this game if it goes to OT will be hysterical
Juan has had a good day but a couple very costly plays for sure
Debo 4 fouls?
swear I'm more nervous now than I was in the damn championship game
@Crimsonorblue22 yes. And Johnson. Black has 3
Man up jalen.
Jwil has not had a good half
This crew has been frustrating to say the least
D up
that was good D
Stepped out then two ark players knock it out. Glad we got the stop
Not sure what league they are from.
Defense!!
Way to attack #4
See ya Davis
Peace out homie
waving the wheat
Missouri fans trolling KU fans while they are losing to Princeton is SOOOO Missouri.
God. Free throws.
Jesus. Do we even want to win
Bye Devo
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@cragarhawk said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
Jesus. Do we even want to win
Obviously yes, next question.
Physical games mess with free throw shooting. Gotta make them it is going to decide the game
Upperclassmen this half 3/9 from the line if we lose thatās why
More than the selection committee, refs, announcers, Bills heart or juans ankle want us to win anyway
@kjayhawks said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
Upperclassmen this half 3/9 from the line if we lose thatās why
Two of those front ends.
Fricking SEC punk sh*t fouls
just like norm drew it up
D UP
I told ya they live on the offensive glass damb it
I'd foul us too.
Ffs
That'll probably bout do it..
F you
50-50
These refs are such shit
Put bobby in for the last shot?
Well shit
Charge ffs
Lol
Just horrible officiating progresses into a new nadir
Game folks
Oh well
Joke
still have a chance
Grad3y
This came down to free throws. No focus
Our seniors missing FTs thatās the game guys
Just manufactured by utterly horrible officiating throughout the game.
You watch they will turn it over
Terrible D second half, missed fts.
Joe tip it from wilson
Itās been a pleasure
Choked no way around it.
Nothing has actually worked out of the timeouts.
If anything it creates an opportunity for Arkansas to steal the ball
This one aint on the refs folks. Maybe the first half a bit.
BUT IT'S NOT OVER
Remember Mario Chalmers
Gradey will save us
right idea, i guess
Needed a 3 shoots a 2
Jalen had a no show 2nd half
Looked like Wilson had some space for a 3..
Fouling should work for them to win this
Insane from Norm
Yea missing bill this half
Worst one to foul
no time outs
Now JW makes them both, a little late
No rest for Dejuan all 2nd half.
Done now
See yall next season
11 point lead blown. Had no answer for their run. Ugly
Should've passed it
Hollow points late Jalen!
Enjoyed being here. Not one to blame anyone. It's a team effort that came up short. Feel for them. Now I can work on my garden.
Just a complete choke job. Missed free throws were the main culprit
Missed free throws thatās the game, they made theirs
Also, what the hell were they doing goin for two?
Well it was a great season up to this game, sorry it had to end like this. See yāall next season
Act like they been there
Can't make them when you need to, make miss them when you need to.
Norm < Bill
Your shoot the 3 the first time not Wilson drive left and goes for the 2 with 12 seconds
Idiots
Juan was okay but messed up on lob to Gradey, 10 second call ect had some great plays
Gradey was AWFUL
Miss after miss at the line. Almost Syracuse like
What a bunch of d bags.
@kuballin10 yeah not going for the three is baffling
@HawkChamp itās idiot thought process that with 12 seconds you can still get a quick bucket
Basketball hasnāt caught up to intelligence yet
Disappointing end to a great season.
Oh well, it was a tough stinging loss. Devo out scored us easily.
Love you guys see you later.
Never got the ball to Grady.
Wish I could say we got beat by the better team
Norm got completely outcoached down the stretch. Self was missed.
Going for a 2 with 8 seconds left was insanely stupid. Every player had some stupid plays the last 12 minutes.
We did not
Enough with the choke comments. They were missing their coach. We kind of knew all year they were not the team they were last year. Arkansas made some plays down the stretch.
Well, that sucked. Great season once again. Lots of things worked against in this game. Still, once again a great season by a great team, and a great coach. Shout out to Norm for filling in so admirably. The most important thing is Bill's health. We'll be back next year!
Pissed that one away at the line. Had every opportunity and then some to win.
We win that one with Bill. Just didnāt make enough good plays down the stretch
What a completely manufactured ripoff
@FarmerJayhawk Bill canāt force the guys to make free throws
The worst thing is my bracket is toast!!
Itās hard when you lose a game like that with silly mistakes. First loss for Juan when scoring 10+ points.
@kuballin10 we get another bucket with Bill. Period.
18-25 with 3 missed front ends of 1 and 1ās
NCAA, get a real crew who know how to handle a sh*t show of hacks
Pedigrew - -made call afer call after call agisnt us. - that 5th foul on Kevin the fucker dipped his shoulder into Kvin and of course they call the foul on Kevin
@FarmerJayhawk had one with the lob at start of game from Juan to Gradeyā¦simple bounce pass is a layup
Bill can draw it up hopefully weād execute but no guarantees
I tend to think Bill gives us the edge. Did we get a bucket on any inbounds plays?
Just disappointed that bad luck had a factor in it.
There is no free throw more guaranteed to go in than the one you need to miss. Why itās so hard Iāll never understand lol
Miss a bunch, then make when you try to miss!
Self would have substituted before a 11 pt lead evaporated.
Alot of lazy defense the second half led to getting beat at the line as well. Also shouldn't discount the fact we should go into half up 15 plus on missed bunnies, etc.
Disappointed that they got beat by a team that just had more want to when it mattered most.
Yeah missed three front ends of 1-and-1. Thatās a lot of points on the floor
People blaming the refs are silly, we couldāve had the ball down 1 if we just rebounded. Or win by 5 if upperclassmen made the free ones.
Shoot. We win this with the last set of refs. It was just a perfect storm of a decent team playing against a short handed Jayhawk team. Gradeyās disappearing act is why you donāt rely on freshmen. Not much of a KU legacy. Xavier like.
you hit the front end of your free throw - -we wouldn't be looking for reasons why we lost
I have never seen a coach take the shirt off and chant to the crowd, a bit awkward
@bskeet said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
Self would have substituted before a 11 pt lead evaporated.
He also would have been in the refs asses about how that game was called.
There is so much that goes into being a HC. Working the refs. Calling plays. Changing how you defend screens. All that good stuff.
Norm, for as great of an assistant as he is, is an assistant for a reason.
The refs didn't call 2 clear fouls on Kevin before. It evens out.
Mizzou in trouble is nice...
@kjayhawks why was Joe in the game!!! Mj rice grabs that or anyone bigger
Put in Zuby or Ernest and have kj at 4. Get board and call timeout make subs itās game point as Bill would say as we would have been down 1
Jaun was great overall. Ya Gradeys scoring was a big factor(lack there of) idk why Norm pulls him immediately after he hits his first from outside
@cragarhawk said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
Alot of lazy defense the second half led to getting beat at the line as well. Also shouldn't discount the fact we should go into half up 15 plus on missed bunnies, etc.
Disappointed that they got beat by a team that just had more want to when it mattered most.
It wasn't lazy defense, it was foul issues meaning they couldn't be aggressive anymore.
How many points do we think Self was worth here? At least 10?
@Texas-Hawk-10 once again we'll have to disagree. That was definitely not the inspired defense we saw in the first 10-15 min of the game in my opinion
Come on can we at least get a mention of the Self missing factor
@Kcmatt7 said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
@bskeet said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
Self would have substituted before a 11 pt lead evaporated.
He also would have been in the refs asses about how that game was called.
There is so much that goes into being a HC. Working the refs. Calling plays. Changing how you defend screens. All that good stuff.
Norm, for as great of an assistant as he is, is an assistant for a reason.
Iām beginning to question what exactly Norm brings to the team. It sure isnāt for lineup suggestions or set play input or really anything tangible as for in game adjustments.
I think we win with Self there I think his outbounds plays are worth a few buckets
@BShark said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
How many points do we think Self was worth here? At least 10?
Well how many did we score in special situations? Heās good for about 50%of those.
@BShark said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
How many points do we think Self was worth here? At least 10?
You can tell that the initial game plan worked great. But then they adjusted and Norm never did
@cragarhawk said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
@Texas-Hawk-10 once again we'll have to disagree. That was definitely not the inspired defense we saw in the first 10-15 min of the game in my opinion
Correct it was not at all, yet weāre still good enough to win it
@cragarhawk he needs to come back dude canāt create his own shot without a pick
COME ON FOOTBALL
@jayballer67 said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
you hit the front end of your free throw - -we wouldn't be looking for reasons why we lost
Amen!
I definitely think Self has a better answer when they go on their run after we're up 11. Whether it be lineups, a defense change, etc
@kuballin10 I agree. But I doubt it happens
@kjayhawks we throw it to a big at the elbow from underneath - teams scout that stuff so no
Seriously, a top 5 coach ever missing and the heads dont even mention it in their post game analysis.
Well I'm over it. The guards coming in won't address our front line. Help transfer portal!
GONNA BE A LONG BORING SUMMER
@jayballer67 Free agency time.
@cragarhawk said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
Jaun was great overall. Ya Gradeys scoring was a big factor(lack there of) idk why Norm pulls him immediately after he hits his first from outside
This was key Gradey was nowhere to be found
He attacked on boards well
@approxinfinity ya that seems short sighted. But I guess it means about as much as any excuse we wanna make at this point. It's over and just sucks
Bad luck
Poor officiating
Missed FTs
@cragarhawk said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
I definitely think Self has a better answer when they go on their run after we're up 11. Whether it be lineups, a defense change, etc
This I can agree with
Not sure what Norm called late but didnāt work -
Walsh held Wilson well second half
@Kcmatt7 said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
@BShark said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
How many points do we think Self was worth here? At least 10?
You can tell that the initial game plan worked great. But then they adjusted and Norm never did
Ding ding ding.
This team was talent deficient whether people want ti believe that or not. Really good college players, but overall they werenāt deep and lacked an āeliteā guy imo.
My only solace: Arkansas is going to get destroyed by their next opponent and I am going to revel in their destruction when it happens.
@dylans said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
@jayballer67 Free agency time.
Good news soon. I also made a thread for just KU moves.
@HawkChamp That was included in Bad Luck
@Kcmatt7 said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
This team was talent deficient whether people want ti believe that or not. Really good college players, but overall they werenāt deep and lacked an āeliteā guy imo.
Not to mention the bench was tissue paper thin
Nice to see our loyal fan base turn on our own. See ya next year.
@bskeet said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
My only solace: Arkansas is going to get destroyed by their next opponent and I am going to revel in their destruction when it happens.
YA THEY NOT GOING ANY FURTHER
@kuballin10 Happy you finally have a reason to comment here. I guess we should all tail between legs and say you were right all along. Maybe you should apply for the coaching job if Bill's heart can't take it any more!
Arkansas is great in March and has been under Muclemsan( not sure how he spells it) they could easily make the final four.
Saying realistic things about what happened today isn't turning on anyone. That's just silly. We all watched the game
@kuballin10 coaching. Lots of face guarding Brady with no movement to free him. Outside his crashing the boards never really played to get him going
I donāt think anyone is turning on anyone guys, tough way to lose shitting ourselves but it aināt the first or the last time it will happen unfortunately
The 10 second call by Harris was killer. Also how can these coaches not correct the offensive screen fouls that they have been plagued by all year? Unbelievable.
Do I think we win with Bill there? Yes. Could we and should we have won without him? Hell yes. I hope at some point his teams start shooting free throws better.
Overall honestly one of the funnest teams I've ever watched. I think they had a high ceiling but definitely didn't get there. Always a sad day when it's over
At least we arenāt Mizzou getting embarrassed by a 15 seed
@cragarhawk said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
Overall honestly one of the funnest teams I've ever watched. I think they had a high ceiling but definitely didn't get there. Always a sad day when it's over
They had two games all season where they āclicked.ā
The Mizzou and Indiana games.
@Kcmatt7 said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
At least we arenāt Mizzou getting embarrassed by a 15 seed
You could have stopped at the word Mizzou!
Also the missed rebound down 1 when Council missed the free throw. Thatās another huge self inflicted blunder
@Kcmatt7 UT at home and Baylor second half at home. Probably what I'd consider their ceiling. But like CS says. Teams will usually play around 5 games below who they are, 5 above who they are, and the rest are true to who they are. I'd called today one if the below obviously
@HawkChamp ya that was pretty big
Missed free throws. It's always our Achilles heel in March losses.
Good comeback from Arkansas. They beat us.
Sleep well folks.
Sun will come up in the morning.
KU BB will be back.
When is Late Night?
Time for Gradey to say he will return because he wants to leave his mark on KU basketball!
Maybe itās the 10 second call late but that so reminiscent of Michigan in 2013. We had the ball up 4 with just over two minutes to go and had a ten second call. Thatās so tough for me to handle from 2 really good guards that had mental lapses when you just canāt.
Back to watching mountain bike videos and watching the world financial system collapse
Watch some MLB in Spring and Summer.
Looking forward to next year's team.
To make matters worse KSU or UK will be in the sweet 16.
Well that sucks. pretty pathetic second half with Harris dinged and KJ out.
Seemed obvious the defense let up with Harris hobbled. And he gave up a few chances at the rim he usually would take.
Highly disappointed in this outcome. Jalen with only NINE shot attempts. that's bad.
Just didn't need to lose this game. highly winnable.
Eff.
@wissox nah only 1 team wins it all. Not gloating when we lose Iām a fan. Juan was good enough for us to win hit huge 3 to get us off 51.
We had a team good enough with matchups and hof coach
10 second call and 4 point run that ensued hurt
Rebound when ark guy missed free throw was huge
Bill would win that game. Hopefully it lights another fire and he dominates the portal and we dominate next year.
Self with Texas squad wins it all
@rockchalkjayhawk Walsh is 6-7 with 7-2 arms - he dāed him up well
Gradey didnāt step up
Juan, Kevin and KJ stepped up
Arkansas effed up our post season twice this year.
I am bitter and officially hate them
Note to officials: it is not your job to make sure the inferior team stays in the game.
Buffered my expectations due to the wide ceiling/floor this team had. Really been more interested in next years roster construction of both KU and KC. Mahomes š is must watch tv for moi.
@cragarhawk said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
@Texas-Hawk-10 once again we'll have to disagree. That was definitely not the inspired defense we saw in the first 10-15 min of the game in my opinion
And when you have 4 fouls, you can't play that aggressive otherwise you'll foul out.
World baseball classic is on, US Venezuela!
5 months until Missouri State!
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
Who's guarding council?
nobody today! sigh. Although, dude made some unreal, circus shots.
@Texas-Hawk-10 some prescribe to that theory for sure. And some also say the lazy Defense creates the fouls.
@kuballin10 said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
@wissox nah only 1 team wins it all. Not gloating when we lose Iām a fan. Juan was good enough for us to win hit huge 3 to get us off 51.
We had a team good enough with matchups and hof coach
10 second call and 4 point run that ensued hurt
Rebound when ark guy missed free throw was huge
Bill would win that game. Hopefully it lights another fire and he dominates the portal and we dominate next year.
Self with Texas squad wins it all
BillWouldWinThatGame
@cragarhawk said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
@Texas-Hawk-10 some prescribe to that theory for sure. And some also say the lazy Defense creates the fouls.
When you already have 4 fouls, you cannot play as aggressive as you want to, especially with how the refs called today, because you will foul out.
Norm just didnāt make any adjustments. Itās ok unless heās forced into being the coach again.
@approxinfinity said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
Seriously, a top 5 coach ever missing and the heads dont even mention it in their post game analysis.
The talking heads also said that Musselman really knows how to coach. :face_vomiting:
Losing credibility as an analyst.
@Texas-Hawk-10 right. I agree. But... how'd you get the 3th and 4th foul? Not moving your feet? We just see it differently. And you know what? That is okay.
@bskeet said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
@approxinfinity said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
Seriously, a top 5 coach ever missing and the heads dont even mention it in their post game analysis.
The talking heads also said that Musselman really knows how to coach. :face_vomiting:
Losing credibility as an analyst.
Whether you like him or not, Eric Musselman is a very good college coach. The only year he's missed the NCAA Tournament was his first season at Nevada, and even then he won the CBI, and he's taken Arkansas to back to back Elite 8's.
Well, Self's post-season banāerāleave is over. Now maybe we get final resolution on all of this alleged crap and can move on.
@Texas-Hawk-10 Eric is a better coach than Norm is no question
@kjayhawks said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
@Texas-Hawk-10 Eric is a better coach than Norm is no question
Had a lot of help from an inept crew. What podunk league were they from anyway?
Refs not to blame for this game. We gave up 45 points in the second half. We missed FTs (esp. front-ends) and they made theirs. RBs were even at the half - they dominated in the 2d half, esp. with ORBs - ended up with 10 more shots. 3 TOs on Udeh's illegal screens. End of half and late game execution was not typical - hate to lay that on coaching, but....there is a reason HCBS has the record he does in games decided by less than 5 points. Adds up to a loss in a game that was eminently winnable, even if not playing that well...
@bskeet said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
@kjayhawks said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
@Texas-Hawk-10 Eric is a better coach than Norm is no question
Had a lot of help from an inept crew. What podunk league were they from anyway?
There were some questionable calls, but KU missed a bunch of FT's, including the front end of several 1 and 1's, and Norm made zero adjustments on Davis in the second half.
There's a reason why Norm hasn't gotten another head coaching job since he was fired from St. John's.
@Texas-Hawk-10 this we see similar. Norm is a great dude and almost perfect assistant to CS imo. But not a great HC. And not an HC at all anymore for good reason. But also not the reason, definitely not the sole reason we lost this game.
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@kjayhawks said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
@bskeet refs didnāt miss FTs and get a 10 second call up 4 with 2 minutes to go. Bad crew but they were even.
That 10 second call was marginal. They also called 5 seconds that was marginal.
Meanwhile, Arkansas guys were stepping on the back line all the time... Not to mention all the wrapping, holding, pushing and other illegal contact. Then they call illegal screen twice and WTH was that double technical?
Not a masterpiece. KU didn't play great, but they were disadvantaged largely because of horrible officiating in the first half and selective calls in the second half.
@bskeet we can argue all evening I suppose but the players and coaches have to have accountability if the refs do itās only fair. The zebras donāt miss shots, passes or forget to switch leading to wide open layup (think that happened 5 times today). Thatās the KSU way of thinking IMO. Too good to lose on their own accord.
@bskeet said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
@kjayhawks said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
@bskeet refs didnāt miss FTs and get a 10 second call up 4 with 2 minutes to go. Bad crew but they were even.
That 10 second call was marginal. They also called 5 seconds that was marginal.
Meanwhile, Arkansas guys were stepping on the back line all the time... Not to mention all the wrapping, holding, pushing and other illegal contact. Then they call illegal screen twice and WTH was that double technical?
Not a masterpiece. KU didn't play great, but they were disadvantaged largely because of horrible officiating in the first half and selective calls in the second half.
Stop with the blaming the refs. All 3 moving screens on Udeh were good calls. Udeh moved too early on the first one and was late to his spot on the other two. The 10 second call was also a good call. That's not a judgment call, Harris was slow bringing the ball up, that was purely on Harris, and not the first time Harris has turned it over like that because of a lack of awareness.
Bottom line is & it's simple. We can ty to make all the excuses you want - -try to find things but the bottom line is really simple.
Even if Jalen & Kevin hit the FRONT END of their one and one free throws - - not even hitting the back end of these - -yet if Jalen & Kevin hit the front end of those- - that's TWO more points and we win - PERIOD pllain and simple, you hit your freebies - -you win
Ok. Community has spoken.
Here's what I've got: Yesufu's 40ft 3pt shot was nice.
@kjayhawks uninspired D second half leads to fouls, leads to more uninspired D(cause you cant/foul trouble) pretty simple equation for musselman. The entirety of existence knows our bench can't hack it. Still with that? Hit your FT's. Try to guard... rebound. Idk. Perfect storm of shittiness
Yeah when we talk about this team not being athletic, sure as a team. But i think KJ may be the 3rd best athlete Self has ever had behind wiggins and embiid
I actually think Udeh is stupidly athletic. He just needs time/growth
@Texas-Hawk-10 that wasn't 10 secs
@Crimsonorblue22 @Texas-Hawk-10 I thought it was a good call, so I went back to check. Here are two pictures of the call. In both, the shot clock is showing 20 seconds (but doesn't show tenths of a second). Harris's feet are both clearly in the backcourt in the first picture, and his left foot is clearly down in the front court in the second (and the ref is starting to signal the violation). But the shot clock is still showing 20 seconds.
Time obviously elapsed as he stepped over the line. If 20 is showing, I assume it means a few tenths more than 20 are left, and thus less than 10 have elapsed before that foot was down.
So the ref was wrong, by a few tenths perhaps. But it is really so close, and coaches never want a player to let a ref make that call.
@cragarhawk said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
I actually think Udeh is stupidly athletic. He just needs time/growth
I'm sure the college kids can find some sorta drink game based on how quickly Udeh fouls when he gets in the game! ha. I like his energy. He's just a young big. Sasha was a fouling machine for nearly four years, so time to grow.
Well, a strange boxscore today. You could glance and think KU would have won. Higher FG%, more 3s made. Both good signs.
But a closer looks tells the story IMO.
Arkansas took 8 more shots than KU.
Arkansas had a big advantage on offensive boards -- 15-7.
And those stats likely lead to the difference in the game: 2nd chance points -- 15-2.
Arkansas also outrebounded KU 36-29.
Damn! i'm still pissed!
And i admit i need to go back to watch the final few possessions of the game, but WTF happened??? Why did Jalen choose to go for a 2 pt basket when we were down 3 with seconds to go??? Did they intentionally foul us up top before a shot could be taken?
@rockchalkjayhawk yep thatās the most frustrating part for me as the famous coach Green quote āThey were who we thought they were and we let them get awayā Iāve been saying all day they lived on the offensive glass and we did good in the first half. The intensity just wasnāt the same after the first 5 minutes of the second half. Guys standing and watching. Maybe the most maddening part is their one free throw miss was huge bonus for them. Iāve watched that play 5 times Juan and KJ both just stood there not reacting to the miss. Both guys had a better angle but didnāt move towards the ball! You have to attack the ball and go get it.
@kjayhawks I literally said to my Dad we better rebound this heās missing the second oneā¦.and KJ and Joe couldnāt get it done as Walshās 8 foot arms somehow made a play
That was the biggest play in my opinion. We rebound it and have ball down 1 with what 39 secondsā¦.or less we were sitting pretty
@rockchalkjayhawk Bill does same thing takes 2ās as long as you can and itās stupid. Your banking on quick free 2, them maybe missing a free throw but if not your back down 3 same position with less time to get a shot
Like nfl and passing caught up via analytics eventually these idiot coaches and announcers will say shoot the 3 with 15 seconds left. You put yourself in a position where you flat out just need to hit a big shot otherwise 9/10 you will lose doing the quick 2, foul and hope they miss crap
Anything can happen vs any team within a point or 2 with a minute or less to go. Those games happen. Sometimes when they shouldn't. This was a shouldn't. It never should have been that close to have to worry about it. That's just the truth and we all know it. Players know it, coaches know it. It sucks. But it's not gonna change
Tick tick tickā¦
Thats the sound of the clock, ticking down till the fall of 2023 when a new season starts⦠sigh
Such a long wait.
@kuballin10 said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
@rockchalkjayhawk Bill does same thing takes 2ās as long as you can and itās stupid. Your banking on quick free 2, them maybe missing a free throw but if not your back down 3 same position with less time to get a shot
Like nfl and passing caught up via analytics eventually these idiot coaches and announcers will say shoot the 3 with 15 seconds left. You put yourself in a position where you flat out just need to hit a big shot otherwise 9/10 you will lose doing the quick 2, foul and hope they miss crap
The reason to go for the quick 2 is because it creates more possessions which increases the chances of an opponent screwing up. Shooting a desperation 3 early that's likely to miss and create a long rebound and runout for the opponent.
Extending games as long as possible does maximize the winning percentage. Every coach is going to have their personal preference on when you need to change the thought process and take the desperation 3. I don't know the analytics on it, but it's probably somewhere around the 10 second mark, but there's going to be other variables involved such as timeouts left, foul issues, and stuff like that. The analytics are also why Self doesn't foul up 3 with under 5 seconds left because not fouling has a slightly higher winning % than fouling does.
@kuballin10 I thought Joe knocked it out of kj's (?) hands when he should've been blocking out the thrower.
I see folks say that Norm is a great assistant coach. What no one says is what they specifically find to be good about his coaching. What does Norm actually bring to the table? He doesnāt seem to be a big recruiter. He is certainly not head coach material - very little in game adjustments, no use of timeouts during an 11-0 run, etc. the evidence of him being a poor head coach is overwhelming by both record and eye test; what does he bring as an assistant?
I honestly never gave Norm much thought before his interim spat, but try as I might I canāt come up with what he brings to the table. Past assistants we could see what they did - Manning was good with bigs. Dooley was good at defensive principles. Snacks procured things. Townson is the bag man. Case seems to be a good recruiter and guards coach.
@dylans said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
I see folks say that Norm is a great assistant coach. What no one says is what they specifically find to be good about his coaching. What does Norm actually bring to the table? He doesnāt seem to be a big recruiter. He is certainly not head coach material - very little in game adjustments, no use of timeouts during an 11-0 run, etc. the evidence of him being a poor head coach is overwhelming by both record and eye test; what does he bring as an assistant?
I honestly never gave Norm much thought before his interim spat, but try as I might I canāt come up with what he brings to the table. Past assistants we could see what they did - Manning was good with bigs. Dooley was good at defensive principles. Snacks procured things. Townson is the bag man. Case seems to be a good recruiter and guards coach.
Kurtis in addition to recruiting is also our shot doctor iirc
Norm recruits well. Pulled Zuby (a Nike kid with offers from TX and Ark) and got our foot in the door with Elmarko for Bill to close. I think Bill's personal involvement and not banging the drum at Arrowhead to make sure we got Elmarko says a lot. Never know until they get here but I think he is starter good from the jump. The other two current 23 commits not so much. Those are just recent examples. Historically Norm was key with Embiid, Dotson, Oubre etc
Case is on his way to being an elite recruiter, potentially. Very hard worker. Was big in locking up Chris Johnson early, took McDowell away from Wake Forest at the 11th hour while slow rolling a bit previously. Doing massive work in the 24 class.
I don't have major complaints with our coaching staff. Very short list of guys I'd take and make room for. Bryan Hodgson might be the entire list and I think he is on his way to a HC job.
I somewhat agree. I think wilson around that screen had the potential to shoot a 3 instead of drive. I think everyone gets the reasoning for the quick 2 etc. also I think weāve all seen people force a bad 3 point look. Generally speaking I agree though under 15 second you should go 3 if you can get that look. I donāt know how many times they say get the quick 2 but itās not always that easy. The guy misses an awkward drive or it takes too long to get that quick 2. Or they get fouled and miss the free throws from the driveā¦..Ku in general did run the play correctly. Hereās the thing though after you make the shot/free throws, you canāt just let the star player whose made a ton of free throws just catch the ball so easily. Bc you essentially are giving them back the two points. After wilson Made his free throw. Without having to be freed up on a screen their best player just caught the ball so quickly. Poor execution by ku!!!ā¦ā¦ in my feeling with this team they should have gone 3 to tie but oh wellā¦.. also not subbing in a second big on that crucial missed rebound on the free throw near the end was frustrating
@dylans @BShark i agree, though have followed much less of who is involved with whom, that Norm is a good piece of the puzzle and our staff is complete and solid. I didnt feel that way after Danny left before Dooley returned,. Our staff is giving Bill everything he needs right now. It was just very bad luck Bill had to be out.
And, I have enjoyed the fact we didnt have to find some fault in our head coach this year, as much as I didnt want to lose.
@approxinfinity said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
@dylans @BShark i agree, though have followed much less of who is involved with whom, that Norm is a good piece of the puzzle and our staff is complete and solid. I didnt feel that way after Danny left before Dooley returned. Our staff is giving Bill everything he needs right now. It was just very bad luck Bill had to be out.
And, I have enjoyed the fact we didnt have to find some fault in our head coach this year, as much as I didnt want to lose.
Bill out + Dajuan being hurt for the 2nd half were the keys to the loss.
@BShark said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
Bill out + Dajuan being hurt for the 2nd half were the keys to the loss.
I am just amazed no one has mentioned our numerous stupid fouls. McCullar 80 ft from the basket gets his 4th, Udeh forgot how to set picks, KJ trying to body a guy away, Joe
or Pettiford drives right into someone after passing for a layup.... Our freshman big seemed panicky, our POY wasn't getting open. Way too many missed FTs. And our PG hobbled. Had to play Ejiafor and Zach, neither of whom could get anything done. Our backup little guards just ran around kind of mindlessly. 5 pts, 0 assists, 1 rebound, 1 steal in 15 mins of PT.
During the entire game we seemed lost when Ark played like a longer version of Shaka's "Havoc" team. We didn't see that combo of size/length/agility and aggression in the Big 12. We actually got sped up and the fouls crippled our normal game. When DjH lost his go to guy KJ, he wasn't able to find anyone who could make a basket. 1 assist for him in the 2nd half.
All the people saying Norm didn't adjust in the 2nd half...how would you know when the players make so many crucial mistakes?
Sometimes, like chess, the winner in bb is the one who makes the next to the last mistake.
All that said....I loved this team for overachieving so entertainingly all year. All teams that lose have had issues bringing them down. I won't remember yesterday, though. I will remember the comebacks, the beaming smiles, the pride in a NC last year, and that type of thing. Yeah, we lost yesterday...and the sun rose today and I got to see it for yet another day!
Rock chalk!
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Iāve never seen this whack before by a coach.
@kuballin10 said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
@bskeet dude is an @$&hat
I donāt want him anywhere near our program
Classless
Really? Come on. We don't need such sanctimony here. I'm venting. Doesn't mean I'm classless.
@bskeet I spent 5 mins trying to figure out who the hell he was talking about, since people have said such things to him causing great distress, but then I gave up.
It's what I mean by turning on each other, which is really more like watching a couple drunks get into a bar fight.
@mayjay Agree. This community is a place where we can celebrate, pontificate and occasionally wax polemic.
No need to take things out on each other.
I'm just a frustrated fan. I don't think I was alone yesterday. No one wants to be alone when they are disappointed. We should be able to come here and lean on each other a bit.
I backed off the criticism of the officiating when folks nudged. That was helpful.
@bskeet said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
@kuballin10 said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
@bskeet dude is an @$&hat
I donāt want him anywhere near our program
Classless
Really? Come on. We don't need such sanctimony here. I'm venting. Doesn't mean I'm classless.
The comment was about Arkansas coach not @bskeet
Sorry @bskeet if it came across towards you. You are good in my book not that anyone cares
"I care!" --Luke Skywalker
@kuballin10 Thank you so much for clarifying that. Hey, I care!
We agree 100% about Musselman. The shirtless antics are not a great look for an institution of higher learning.
What will he do when he wins a really meaningful game?
@bskeet said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
are not a great look for an institution of higher learning
Or even one like Arkansas.š
@bskeet said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
@kuballin10 Thank you so much for clarifying that. Hey, I care!
We agree 100% about Musselman. The shirtless antics are not a great look for an institution of higher learning.
What will he do when he wins a really meaningful game?
Haha no clue what he will do but guarantee you he wonāt drop his drawers because nobody wants to see that š
I love our coaches and their class. Bill would never do that even when he was younger and Leipold would never do what the idiot fball coach at mu did at the ball game
Has Bill Self released a statement about the game or had an interview? Canāt find oneā¦
Probably with the team.. but yeah, it's been quiet.
Still hurt for the team. They didn't want to end it there.
I am glad Marcus Adams reclassified!
@bskeet said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
@kuballin10 Thank you so much for clarifying that. Hey, I care!
We agree 100% about Musselman. The shirtless antics are not a great look for an institution of higher learning.
What will he do when he wins a really meaningful game?
Just be glad heās named muscleman and not Richard.
@RockChalkinTexas said in Hog Wild Game Thread:
Still hurt for the team. They didn't want to end it there.
I am glad Marcus Adams reclassified!
Did he re-classify ? -I hadn't heard one way or another yet
Yes he made it official today