With 2 solid games in the record books where everyone played well and scored easily, I wonder if the guys, especially the young guys will play much tighter during the Kentucky game. Big Damn Game, right? 23,000 seat arena; national broadcast. Then on to Maui. I don't believe in the "early losses don't matter; we're just trying to build on team chemistry for March" stuff. As a fan, I want KU to beat the snot out of Kentucky and maybe shut their rabid, foaming at the mouths fans down just a bit. I doubt that our players have the same animosity for Kentucky that most KU fans have. I haven't seen a spread yet. KU should be favored by 8 pts. or so.
@stoptheflop itās Kentucky, everyone wants to smack them in the mouth. Big picture wise this game doesnāt mean a whole heck of a lot. We have played in this every year for a decade or so now. I think that helps even with the younger guys because the upperclassmen will be there to get them in the right frame of mind. The older guys have all played in bigger games than this.
Does CC games have any impact on seeding in NCAA tournament?
@AsadZ said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
Does CC games have any impact on seeding in NCAA tournament?
Yes, it will impact seeding in that this will be a quad 1 win for whoever wins which always helps the resume. Beyond that, if KU and Kentucky were in consideration for the same seed such as a 1 seed or the last 4 seed, then it might matter with the head to head win. The bigger importance from a tournament resume standpoint will be picking up a quad 1 win.
We've got to catch Kentucky again on the all time wins list, but this article from a month ago says we don't have to. https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2023-07-27/college-basketballs-9-winningest-teams ā
Interesting that the article was posted Oct. 12, and the consequences were handed down Oct. 11. But I think we forfeited 15 games and so an 8 game lead over Kentucky is now a 7 game deficit, so, this game really does matter!
@wissox said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
Weāve got to catch Kentucky again on the all time wins list, but this article from a month ago says we donāt have to. https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2023-07-27/college-basketballs-9-winningest-teams ā
Interesting that the article was posted Oct. 12, and the consequences were handed down Oct. 11. But I think we forfeited 15 games and so an 8 game lead over Kentucky is now a 7 game deficit, so, this game really does matter!
Woah. That's interesting. Even more interesting that the picture they used to represent KU is from the Elite Eight game against Duke that, if I'm not mistaken, is now considered forfeit. They could have used a photo from the 22 championship. Curious selection.
KU is currently favored by 4.5.
I don't know how much tightening of the bench Self will do since he only has 9 bodies to begin with it. I think everyone will continue to get opportunities until we hit conference time and then Self will do what he normally does which is play 6/7 majority of minutes. Furphy has been such a wildcard though in a positive way. Looking like a starter but we will see how he handles athletes and scouting.
Doesn't Kentucky count their vacated wins from way back when?
I dunno call me crazy BUT I feel better about our bench now then I did earlier. - -I think Parker will be fine to feel in for Hunter for a few minutes, he actually is a little more athletic then I though - - I just read an article about the Champions Classic and how all NBA teams will be there to watch guys , and that El Marko in their mock draft is # 17. - Kinda sounds like he might not be here for more then one.
Our two Pg -Juan & El Marko when filling in right now have 30 assists and 4 turnovers - -both have a 15/2 ratio. Might be catching a break with UK's three 7 footers won't be playing. -Hope we play well
Kentucky fans are certain they can run us off the floor - -what am I missing?- -we always like to get out and run
If elmarko is the 17th pick, he either gets exponentially better at shooting or the draft class is very weak. Donāt get me wrong he looks good, but good at the college level until he gets more seasoning.
Kansas will win
Who can play sustained defense to get a lead or fight off a dry spell. A lot of times these rivalry games are a back and forth fight. Our talented experienced guys should carry the others through, especially from a bad start. They won't back down.
Isn't Kentucky missing some bigs?
@wissox said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
Isn't Kentucky missing some bigs?
ya three of their seven footers - -Bradshaw and two others two broke their foot - -and the other hasn't been cleared by the NCAA - however he MIGHT get cleared by tomorrow, but I don't think it is a high chance from the way they talk
Was Kentucky planning on playing 3 footers at the same time? I wish, but I doubt that. It'd be a fast break blowout.
@DanR said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
Was Kentucky planning on playing 3 footers at the same time? I wish, but I doubt that. It'd be a fast break blowout.
That's what Kentucky fans believe will be their route to victory tonight: run, run, run and leave plodder Dickinson in the dust. Kentucky starters are all averaging double digits in scoring, but against NM St and TxAM-Commerce. Coach Cal hasn't played very many guys during their first two games.
@stoptheflop said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
@DanR said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
Was Kentucky planning on playing 3 footers at the same time? I wish, but I doubt that. It'd be a fast break blowout.
That's what Kentucky fans believe will be their route to victory tonight: run, run, run and leave plodder Dickinson in the dust. Kentucky starters are all averaging double digits in scoring, but against NM St and TxAM-Commerce. Coach Cal hasn't played very many guys during their first two games.
your right I think he or so they said had been playing 7 guys right now because of the injuries. --they wanna run - - -let's run
We go as Juan goes. Good Juan = W and bad = L.
Their board is talking about how heās weak with the ball, not a good on ball defender and their guards can take advantage of him.
They are partially right in their analysis. Juan isnāt that quick laterally and he isnāt strong with the ball (itās not like steph curry on a string) but his 7 foot reach or whatever it is makes up for it with reach in steals and deflected passes.
Hunter, KJ, Kev will all do their thing but it hinges on our Veteran guard.
Be nice to see Elmarko get 10 or Furphy see some shots go downā¦.I think those two step up and arenāt afraid of the bright lights.
I also think ukās guards wonāt be afraid of the bright lights either. These guys plays big games in aau ect them playing tonight isnāt some entirely new atmosphere
They can only run, run, run with our help on missed shots and turnovers.
Think Elmarko shows up big tonight. Competing against a bunch of his peers that he's played against for a while
@kuballin10 said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
We go as Juan goes. Good Juan = W and bad = L.
Their board is talking about how heās weak with the ball, not a good on ball defender and their guards can take advantage of him.
They are partially right in their analysis. Juan isnāt that quick laterally and he isnāt strong with the ball (itās not like steph curry on a string) but his 7 foot reach or whatever it is makes up for it with reach in steals and deflected passes.
Hunter, KJ, Kev will all do their thing but it hinges on our Veteran guard.
Be nice to see Elmarko get 10 or Furphy see some shots go downā¦.I think those two step up and arenāt afraid of the bright lights.
I also think ukās guards wonāt be afraid of the bright lights either. These guys plays big games in aau ect them playing tonight isnāt some entirely new atmosphere
It's alsp kinda funny if your on their board that how many of them are making up reasons for them losing if it happens, talking about their short bench and how this game is really nott hat big of a game - like they are already conceding defeat
Can't win if DaJuan plays poorly?
I recall a game, oh, it was in April as I recall, a Monday night, I think it was in the Superdome, opponent just was called UNC, so I don't know if they were good or anything but Juan scored 2 points, he had 4 turnovers, did have 3 assists and nearly committed an all time blunder by stepping out of bounds when the game is wrapped up if he stays in bounds. Terrible game, no way KU is winning that game. But I remember him jumping up and down with his teammates and they gave them a big trophy and hung a banner because, despite DaJuans poor play, they were national champions.
His name is DaJuan, stop calling him Juan.
That's all
They should get rid of the coach who keeps playing such a poor point guard too. Darn, I guess they can't because of some sort of lifetime contract deal now?
And DaJuan's not as good as Steph Curry we're told. Like who the heck on the entire planet is as good as Steph Curry?
@jayballer67 Self does his best work with tight lineups so Iām good with it!
Yeah uk boards are crazy!
Who on this board predicted, thought, imagined... that after 2 games, Parker averages 10 pts, 5 rbs and 2.5 assists in 18.5 min? And our mate from down under, Johnny in the same minutes averages 10.5 pts and 4 rbs. I sure hope these two help KU tonight.
Only 4 times was a Kareem sky hook blocked, Wilt did it twice in one game.
Hello friends! Whos ready for a Kentucky beatdown?!?!
I'd love to see a beatdown, but I'll settle for a solid W
ESPN now shows the line at 7.5. The line has been increasing daily.
Too bad Dook won tonight. Looking forward to my first hawks game of the season. Funny being at an Applebees to watch.
Really hope our guys get off to a good start. When Dickinson hits those early 3s, it just feels like it's going to be a great game.
not sure we cover
Let's get it
Kevin we need your scoring.
Atta boy Juan
I hate being this close to KU playing and not being able to go to the game.
Weāre just out efforting them. This aināt AAU ball kids
Dang, lookin good!
If Hunter stays another year, he has to hit the weight room.
@stoptheflop said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
I'd love to see a beatdown, but I'll settle for a solid W
Like 150-90?
Nice passing tonight
Elmarko has to quit thinking. Let it fly, my dude. Itāll come
Let 'em shoot 3's
hunter does have a lot of 5 foot moves with either hand
Nice start. Rebounding well. Elmarko gotta make those looks
Hunter in the paint. I love it. Now, he can step out and hit the 3
@FarmerJayhawk š¤«
I love Juan's earlier comment: I'll shoot when we need me to shoot. RC
I like our energy. Did Self tell Jackson to shoot?
I'm OK with Elmarko just playing in the flow of the offense without hesitating, so good so far
Joel made 17 out of 17 FT's tonight.
Bang
Walk
Lot of hackin out there
Settle down Furphy!
Feed the big guy
slow down, ffs
Two awful passes Dajuan
WTAF?
Made up for it
Wow that's slop
When our 8 year guard just two trips down throws it awayā¦just brutal
Nailed a 3 and played d there to save it
@approxinfinity he and Timberlake looking to score versus defend and get into the flow
Think we just needed a dead ball to come back from crazytown
That was entertainingly bad basketball. Someone shows up when DaJuan starts making a couple of bad plays.
KJ back in to calm everyone down
Much better
Finally
extra passes are paying off
Why are we doubling!!!!!?!?!?
Hunter is a big presence under the basket
Who did we most heavily recruit on this Kentucky roster?
+1
@approxinfinity Dillingham but other than that nobody
Kev making the Vet play that was niiiiccceee
Jumped to the side to avoid the charge
@FarmerJayhawk thx
good first 5 minutes, terrible second 5 minutes. Slow it down and don't get into a playground pickup game
Nice finish by kev. In the big 12 on the road they will call that a charge.
Zero depth. Elmarko is gonna be big this year.
@BeddieKU23 hoping rules change that but youāre right
Hunter with 8 rbs already
@kuballin10 was thinking that too. The long ball stopped dropping so he just drove it in like a good Vet
Harold's Chicken Shack, gonna have to try it.
Kentucky 4/10 from three. KU 1/4
Mccullar very crafty
And Kev drivin hard again
Sheppard hot shooter, gonna have to sit.
Kev is going to shoot a lot of freebies this year LOL
Ktucky only made two shots inside the arc.
Being 1 of 3 returning players was the best thing that ever happened for Kevins confidence
Kev said he wished he could have played at KU his whole career. Me too
Dajuan answering dilly!
Juando with a nice little floater
@nuleafjhawk Can't believe anything a Chicagoan says either!
@RockChalkinTexas me too. I hope he gets another senior speech this year.
What the heck!š
@approxinfinity And Self too!
I'll be dam there is that Non Scorer again - Juan - hmmmm . lol
I would try to get KU in foul trouble.
@approxinfinity self kind of player
Got to get Hunter scoring; only 4 early points in the paint
Kentuckyās offense makes my eyes hurt.
No bench scoring so far
Bullcrap call. Bunch of guys jumping for a rebound?
I hope we get 5 good sustained minutes of Furphy
@FarmerJayhawk Kentucky's coach makes my soul hurt
@approxinfinity I want most to see him create shots
Dillingham is legit
Tried to warn you allā¦
KU 5 TOs, Kent 1
we've missed every stupid 2 we've shot
@stoptheflop but but we got the vet pg whoās played in big games
If people actually watched the games theyād see whoās weak with their handles and whoās legit
@kuballin10 Give it up man, you're annoying
This Kentucky team is small as hell why do we keep doubling
We could use a 3 pt threat
@kuballin10 lol great timing
Not looking like Furphys night.
We may need ride our starters.
Dajuan u dog!!!
Welp
Wow that's some pathetic ball
Dajuan gonna guard dillingham though? Iām told heās the best defender of all time
Guess I'm going to bed early tonight
Ack, we could also use some 3 pt defense too
well, this can only get worse for kentucky
@kuballin10 watch us win and be amazed.
Harris needs to step up on defense. He was shook
Kent 9/17 from 3 53%. That just can't keep up
@wissox said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
@kuballin10 Give it up man, you're annoying
I blocked him 2 years ago. It's wonderful
Kentucky playing with a bunch of energy.
Bench Timberlake
I thought this game would erase the disgust of the Texas Tech game.
@approxinfinity our vet has hit 2 big threes
Given up 2-3 to the frosh whoās never played in big games and Dajuan is Velcro defensively
Dajuan also has 2 turnovers on just stupid passes
We go as he goes but we aināt got a remy
Wow kev that's a bad shot
@rcjhdraft Furph or Jamari
Also seems like half this team is afraid to shoot. Elmarko needs to pull the trigger
@BeddieKU23 Heās not laterally quick like their guards
9/18 from three... sense a cold front moving in
@rcjhdraft Our dudes know they canāt shoot (Marko, kj)
Crowds the floor spacing wise
Need to hi low inverted with Hunter outside and kj down low
@approxinfinity I'll fund this site from now until the day i move on to that great arena in the sky if you just kick him out of here.
might want to try and defend the three just a tad bit better
Keep grinding. Theyāll shoot right back out of it
@nuleafjhawk The guy who is really happy we're losing right now and is gleeful to tell us about it.
@FarmerJayhawk said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
Keep grinding. Theyāll shoot right back out of it
Amen
BLOCK is your friend
@kuballin10 said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
@rcjhdraft Furph or Jamari
I know Jamari is beyond raw but I'd rather see him at this point over Timberlake. Furph is a given
I hope they don't keep this momentum going. Not playing with the kind of fluidity the last 6 or so minutes. Fouls are mounting and we need someone to step up
@FarmerJayhawk said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
Keep grinding. Theyāll shoot right back out of it
They arenāt taking a ton of quality looks. A lot of their threes have been DEEP and off pull ups and step backs. Not much you can do against a few of em. You step up to dillongham on those long ones, he goes right by.
They have shpt 20 threes.
@wissox thats a tempting offer. @kuballin10 can you knock off the āi told you we suck ā act at least in this thread?
Great seal KJ
Kj again being the big man down unda!
I texted bill..he responded with kj dunk
Great pass Dajuan
Unbelievable call
4 pt swing. Bullcrap
@approxinfinity yeah Iāll tone it down
Get tired of this veteran talk with our guys as if no freshman ever is good and our guys are the greatest players of all time and dominated everyone which is far from it
Dajuan is a good kid but has his limits
Heās been clear net positive tonight but yeah Iāll quit saying negative things about him when he throws it to the other team
Kev is off
@BeddieKU23 I watched the reply, just unimaginably bad. Then we lose our minds after that.
Kev not having a good night
Kev that shot looks real bad tonight, real bad
@rcjhdraft Timberlake has played 8 minutes. His +/- is -18. DefenseĀ matters.
@RockChalkinTexas Nah they are just quicker and more athletic than we are
His J is off though I agree there
@tundrahok itās almost like Iāve been saying for 3 weeks he canāt guard Fort Knox.
As self feared, athletic teams are going to hurt this squad
@BeddieKU23 hot teams
@BeddieKU23 especially when we donāt guard worth crap and they knock down shots
Kev, kj and dajuan gotta āguard sumbodyā as bill would say in the okie accent
Jesus Braun. Chill out dude.
Oh Parker
Oh boy parker
Bill has lost weight. Looking healthy.
hitting our freethrows!
Nerves?
@approxinfinity no. He was actually TRYING to throw it to the dude in the 3rd row
Guess he forgot he could, you know, dribble
We are so amped. I look forward to some greater second half composure
What is this lineup man
Thereās the defense
Nice block Parker!
Iām not worrying at this point, they are shooting well above average. The big knock on this UK team is their shooting or was lol
The kid didnt even know what Big Lebowski was. Give it a rest already Jay.
Not a well officiated game so far
@kjayhawks they arenāt turning it over eitherā¦and we are
Seems like Kev has four fouls, TBH
Triple team hunter seems to be working
This is fun
Getting excellent play out of nick
goal tending, but would have been three, so OK
this about to get really ugly
Really? Losing a FT rebound? Ack
Soā¦. We have some raw freshman that we badly need time to develop, seems like.
This reminds me of the UNC game.
We had great effort early got got soft
21 point difference from behind the arc
They got shootersā¦their shots will still fall some second half
Bill better figure something out defensively at half
A glimmer of hope on defense last couple possessions
@approxinfinity my big knock on Bill is our freshman always struggle while ukās and others come in playing on fire
Selfās system is so complex guys struggle to play freely instead they are thinking too much
That helps
Huge HUNTER!
7 points and Kentucky played their A+ half lets roll
No need to strut, Hunter, you suck on D
Big play there to end the half
@kuballin10 well he has the best winning percentage of any p5 coach in basketball since he took over at KU. So⦠they figure it out!
@kuballin10 Kentucky doesnāt really run anything. They just drive or Jack shots and then run to the rim. They are super athletes though so that can work. Especially if even the wild shots are falling.
@FarmerJayhawk Dillingham did but like cal said any of their guys can catch fireā¦.watch out for Chicago native Reaves getting hot
Wagner will kill us on a drive too late
Lol @ Jay saying āthey are doing what Cal wanted them to do, play instinctuallyā thats what he will want them to do the remainder of their time at UK as well.
@benshawks08 That's why they're winning. They're playing basketball, not chess.
Well the Hunter experiment works well. They will attack us inside and they should but we will have to get some bench help.
@kuballin10 well guess we shouldnāt even come out if itās already decided
We closed on a five - 0 run. okay.
Good to see Gary Woodland šļøāāļø
RockChalk
@nuleafjhawk some for some warm milk since this oneās over man
@benshawks08 Bill said they are good individual scorers I.e- one on one nba ball
Uk is defending half our guys and half the court hence the turnovers
They guard
They hit shots
They donāt turn it over
The cats without some footers are no joke
Their strength coming in was their man to man defense. We gotta open up the inside.
No way mccullar can play any worse
@approxinfinity said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
Lol @ Jay saying āthey are doing what Cal wanted them to do, play instinctuallyā thats what he will want them to do the remainder of their time at UK as well.
Cal does so little with the talent he gets - -Always get's all these supposed one and dones and what have they won- - not anymore National Champions then Bill has gotten . I'll take Self any day anywhere anytime of Calipari
@FarmerJayhawk It aināt decided but unless guys develop outside shots or ability to attack this may not be our night
Curious to see what Bill changed defensively
Last time in this building we were down around 7 to Miamiā¦came out and won by 20! Self made 1-2 adjustments and their offense crippled
Letās see it again I mean after all they are just freshman with no big game experience and that should mean EVERYTHING to who wins (sarcasm)
@kuballin10 said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
@benshawks08 Bill said they are good individual scorers I.e- one on one nba ball
Uk is defending half our guys and half the court hence the turnovers
They guard
They hit shots
They donāt turn it overThe cats without some footers are no joke
Think they are almost better off without the bigs? Have to play modern ball which has been an issue for Cal. Dillingham will be in the NBA soon lol.
Hoping next year we can be more athletic. Marko returning would be huge, Furph gets stronger, athletic class coming in.
I can take losing and learning, would just prefer winning. Either way, this is definitely valuable. Wonder if we wont see Jamari
I'm going to bed I'll catch the 2nd half tomorrow
@FarmerJayhawk said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
@nuleafjhawk some for some warm milk since this oneās over man
well I guess we crown Kentucky National champs off this game huh - or I mean this half huh lmao - -game is over right ? lol
Yeah Kevin and Dajuan need to step up and lead.
@kuballin10 got what we wanted early, got out of the flow with fouls.
Yeah freshmen win all the games which is why UK and Dook have won all the titles lately
@BShark They need a footer to guard Hunter and other bigs then just rim run and dunk
Our guys donāt play athletic due to Selfās system. He needs guys 3 years in like Och, Braun or the 08 team to then play freely
It doesnāt work with the portal
Donāt get ur hopes up for us next year cause Flory canāt play freely when heās thinking about what to do constantly
@FarmerJayhawk I'll bet I'm the only one on this site that went to bed at halftime of the UNC National Championship game. No way we could win being behind 15.
How have they taken 10 more shots? We're 13/31 and UK is 15 of 41.
Badly timed fouls and offensive rebounds I guess.
@jayballer67 Yeah crown em and cancel the season!!!!
They win tonight itās guaranteed theyāll win in March!
Tonight means everything havenāt you heard
@nuleafjhawk thanks for being our resident cautionary tale.
They sent 3 or 4 at Hunter every time the ball was thrown his way. At some point you gotta adjust and start sending cutters or run the sets that set up lobs or inside position where you get the weakside help out the lane. Need to make Hunter either the guy or the guy getting someone an open look.
@approxinfinity happy to help!
@kuballin10 said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
@jayballer67 Yeah crown em and cancel the season!!!!
They win tonight itās guaranteed theyāll win in March!
Tonight means everything havenāt you heard
no guess I've been watching our guard who can't shoot and can't score
@FarmerJayhawk Uconn with freshman and legit transfersā¦ā¦
They acclimate and are rolling this year
More Iāve watched for 30 years and seen Self itās the complexity of itā¦takes time to pick up so we play robotic and not free flowing initially
@nuleafjhawk youāre probably right. Iāve seen enough wild comebacks from Selfās teams that any halftime deficit is a big ole ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ
We have taken 31 total shots and UK has taken 23 threes. Elmarko, Furphy and Timberlake gotta help.
@BeddieKU23 yeah im not seeing Nikola Jokic Jr out there :)
@BeddieKU23 like Jokic
Solid analysis and good input
@BeddieKU23 He's a good passer, so KJ and Kev should be getting some cuts, but they scouted that pretty well. Gotta hit open threes
@jayballer67 donāt say it too loud or @wissox will ask to ban u! No negativity around here my friend!
@nuleafjhawk you definitely weren't alone
Got too sped up.
Halftime Adjustments are my favorite thing!
All we need to know at half. - - Kentucky 9-23 at half - - - KU 3-11 - -23 three point attempts at half
@DanR said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
How have they taken 10 more shots? We're 13/31 and UK is 15 of 41.
Badly timed fouls and offensive rebounds I guess.
Turnovers
If we lose tonight
We lose to Marquette and potentially the Hawaii third place game
Uconn at home and IU on the roadā¦.
We might have 4-5 losses by conference play
@kuballin10 said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
@jayballer67 donāt say it too loud or @wissox will ask to ban u! No negativity around here my friend!
oh wissox I think he knows what I mean, my post really is aimed at another on here thats always talking shade on KU not sure why they are here
@kuballin10 against that murderers row of a schedule š. KenPom dead last, 350, 257 lol
@kuballin10 said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
If we lose tonight
We lose to Marquette and potentially the Hawaii third place game
Uconn at home and IU on the roadā¦.
We might have 4-5 losses by conference play
your just a constant refreshing bundle of sunshine
I mean his height advantage is significant enough and we didn't see it used well, lots of turnovers forcing it in. Offensively we played pretty poorly and that led to a lot of easy looks on their end. I would like to see them play through the guy that's so hyped up
@BeddieKU23 Iād like us to invert it more as well. More hi lo with KJ, more pick and pop
@jayballer67 yea, sometimes I think heād be more at home on the opposing teams site
@BeddieKU23 canāt use it they triple Hunter when we throw it inside
@BeddieKU23 yeah we are far from a finished product. Hunter has plenty of growth opportunity mentally.
Did anyone else catch Holly Rowe's boo boo at the start of the game?
(Telling Calipari - "You're without seven 3 footers tonight....."
Good one. We know self has sets and perhaps they aren't ready to show them this early. Gotta start playing through him, Kentucky had no issue playing to their strengths
@FarmerJayhawk said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
@kuballin10 against that murderers row of a schedule š. KenPom dead last, 350, 257 lol
Lost me hereā¦Iām saying we might have 4 losses by conference play with our schedule
Uconn getting Spencer versus us Timberlake sucks
Spencer wasnāt coming here right cause he wanted pg spot only right? He should be the starter here heās a dog
Let's go!
@kuballin10 talking about UConns schedule. Easy to look great playing Rhode Island College of the Blind every night
Can't miss layups
Ack not a strong start to second half. Letās go!
Juan went so soft with his scoop layup instead of just laying it inā¦he had no one come help
Go watch the replay
Wagner lays it in other in with our defense in his face
KJ 3s arent going to bring us back
good grief
Oh my KJ. Thats awful
They must have napped during halftime
Little run at the end of half has fizzled.
Omg elmarko
Clean block
Bullshit foul
Lol at that call
Jay is annoying tonight
Down 12 to these freshman with no experience
This sucks
letting them get over confident
Juan making freshman mistake leaving his feet to
Pass
And 1 thank you Juan
Shut up and play Juan
hope the lit a fire
F F F F F
Guessing it's not gonna be much 3s and playing fast this year
Reaves heats up this is ova
Juan lit him up
Uk turning us over
Ok UK ref
Another crap call. Refs aren't why we're losing but they're not helping.
Pretty sad actually. They just want to win this game. You can see it in the hustle
Big 3 Juan
Tough to come back against the whistle too.
Why throw an outlet pass to KJ? I mean it worked out well enough but that was a TO waiting to happen.
Lets win the next 4 minutes and go from there
Good Defense by Johnny.
But the team that plays harder usually gets the calls and thatās not us rn
@FarmerJayhawk That aināt even close to why we are losing
We turn it over more and canāt make shots
Donāt defend as well
The whistle isnāt even remotely close or needs to be mentioned
@kuballin10 yeah thanks for once again just imagining arguments people are making them doing some real violence against a straw man.
@approxinfinity thatās right lost those 4ā¦.7 to 11
Need to cut it to 5 and see if the crowd can get into it
Need smarter decisions
Anyone think this game can be salvaged?
Play smart basketball and hustle. They aren't doing anything special fellas
I just think Juan is showing tonight how he is a complete all around pg kind of prooving to some here he can score & he can shoot. - -Some say he won't shoot or doesn't shoot - -he can shoot when he feels it's really needed. perfect eample 1st 2 games a blow out. - - -tonight he has hit huge shot after shot to keep us in the ball game
@FarmerJayhawk i mean you cant state the problem more succinctly than that.
Well done.
@RockChalkinTexas 2/3 vets are getting outplayed by better athletes and basketball players who are freshman
NBA draft boards donāt lie
We're missing guys like Braun, Wilson, big Dave, Devonte, Frank.... need a guy to step up and pound
Maybe Caitlin Clark will transfer to KU
Probably not the best sign that Juando is having to score. Heād rather distribute, I believe.
Old kev back
Im totally ok with Dajuan shooting open 3s . This game needs to be won on the defensive end and cutting down turnovers
Kev and Juan going 1/2 last two trips to the line
Letās see what dilly does with these 2
WHat was that phantom foul? Anyone see it?
Juando with 15... might need 30 from you, little guy
Need to somehow slow uk down. Speed of the game favors uk.
Much better
lots of time left to right this barge
Need a take away
Why jump Kev?
Dickinson is slow to the post. They need to pass it around a bit to let him establish position.
Hunter has a nice FT stroke
I donāt see a path that keeps them from scoring 80
These guys travel all over the place, yet to call it.
Lol another phantom one
Dong!
Thats the sound of a memphis L
I mean I watched it again and he changed his pivot foot.
@dylans said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
Dickinson is slow to the post. They need to pass it around a bit to let him establish position.
The entry passes havenāt all been great but heās not creating a lot of space for the ball to get to him.
We aināt dead
Kev and Juan arenāt nba guys like Och and Braun
Need furphy to step up!!! And Hunter and Kj!!!
There we effin go!
KJ!
~~And one!~~
Nice
Rumors of our demise were premature
Down 4!
KJš
KJ!!!!!!
Nice sequence there
What a pass!!
We have at least one athlete.
Was that Elmarko throwing that? Hell yeah
We riht back in this game. - -closer we get , the tighter the shooter gets - - -AIR BALL 3 - -let them feel some pressure
@RockChalkinTexas said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
@bskeet šāāļø
Still šāāļøš¤£
Kev
7 dimes for Kevin.
@FarmerJayhawk said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
Rumors of our demise were premature
lol now you stop that
Zero bench points. Yikes
We have zero bench points. Someones gonna foul out before this is over and we're gonna need some bench points
lots of time step the D up get them to realize they talented - - yes - -BUT they still freshman
I hope Kelly Oubre is feeling better ā¤
Furph will step up I think
Should be and 1
Kj again
Wow hunter is winning me over with these boards
A stop here would be lovely
š
Grind. Execute
Nice DJ pass
set a screen, big guy, that'd be easier
Oh.my.goodness
@nuleafjhawk You stayed up!!
Who turned the heat up? Whew freshman bricks
@nuleafjhawk hope your milk had a lil vodka :)
Juando is sparked
Whatās KJ stand for Kansas Juicer!? Heās got them hyped with those dunks
COUNT IT
Yea, Iāll take that 2 pt lead!
We won those 4 :)
Flow is back
Alright alright kev
@FarmerJayhawk I quit drinking many moons ago, but games like this make me consider it. Lol
Those freshmen legs are feeling heavy
@approxinfinity said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
We won those 4 :)
Great call. What else you got, PowerBall #'s?
Anyone thinks HD isn't a bad ass man, idk how to help you
Made up 10 points in 2.5 minutes. Granted, they were chucking bricks, but this is good.
HOLD ON - -CAN YOU FEEL THAT - - SMELL IT - - It's called old Mo - -think there might be a phog advisory
@nuleafjhawk ha! Good for you, doing these sober would be a trip
KJ really is built like a NFL defensive end
We are winning it all!!!! Donāt care what you doubters and haters think you all donāt know ball
Kev flirting with triple double. Hunter with 20 and 16
@nuleafjhawk You won't!!
their last two 3 point attempts have been air balls
@jayballer67 said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
HOLD ON - -CAN YOU FEEL THAT - - SMELL IT - - It's called old Mo - -think there might be a phog advisory
Post of the 2023 season so far
Phog advisoryā¦just str8 nasty right there @jayballer67
@rcjhdraft said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
KJ really is built like a NFL defensive end
hands like a tight end though. He'd be good on the football field.
@cragarhawk said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
Anyone thinks HD isn't a bad ass man, idk how to help you
Heās getting absolutely mugged under the basket.
Hunter has 16 rebounds with 11 minuttes still to go
@approxinfinity said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
We won those 4 :)
Dominatedā¦dare I say our veterans playing better
Bill advising they are missing shots they made first half Aka we are getting lucky
I'm not sure what Bill was saying
@benshawks08 he better get used to it
it wasn't that
No call on our end, touch fall on theirs.
Wow furphy move ur feet man
18 assists on 22 makes.
Still 10 minutes left!
Dilly Dilly
Go to ball hard!
Continuation!!
Fouls going our way finally
Don't let up here kids
KY is looking a little tired. Our bench has provided rest, and that's about it.
Mitchell & Dillingham both 4 fouls
Love that kick out then skip pass to baseline
All day
@jayballer67 Drive at them and send āem to the bench!
There you go
Oh that was a nice feed
Beautiful
That shepherd kid can shoot it
We going to get to our average of 99 tonight?
Mitchell only has three fouls
Kevin has four fouls
Drat
Wooooow
Shoot
@jayballer67 Does he have that many points?
Kev is getting jobbed on rebounds
Not a good foul there
Kevin ānot a foul man, fuck, come on!ā Lol. Time to walk the line.
I'm getting to dam old when it comes down to these one possession ball games. - -Gonna have to check my pace maker lol
Rockemā sockemā the rest of the way.
@approxinfinity I thought he was yelling at one of his teammates?
@nuleafjhawk said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
@jayballer67 Does he have that many points?
who Hunter ?
Kevin
Hunter didnāt run the floor
Elmarko?
@jayballer67 I messed that post up. It was supposed to be a reply to you saying Kevin has 4 fouls
Kj da man yet again
Thatāll play
Good D parker. Keep it up
poor time to have Hunter on the Bench
Brutal
weird not seeing more screens in our offense
Go K Blue go Big U
Juan another lazy @$$ turnover
Iām
Tired of his weak @$$ ball handling crap
Heās Effin soft with the ball!
Awful lineup Self!
Nick is quiet again. Wish heād get on track.
No matter what happens tonight, I guarantee Kensucky loses their next game by 15.
@nuleafjhawk they arenāt a top 10 team which also says stuff about us
Oh man kj is such a project shooting
4 missed freebies killing us
KJ ha just got to start making dam free throws. those are points the other team is just GIVING YOU DDAMMIT
Dang kj, gotta make at least 1
Time to come back again.
@BeddieKU23 weāve missed half id guard without looking
They are probably 70-80%
Elmarko not ready for primetime.
Sit Jackson
Probably not the best way to keep the ball in front of you. But ya...
Reed right back Elmarko
Furphy was in when we made the run
Bill u even watching what lineups work???
not f - - - - brutal
@RockChalkinTexas said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
@dylans why is it taking this long?
Iām concerned the answer is that he is an evaluation miss.
how can we miss fricken lay up
Thanks KJ
MAKE A LAYUP
Jackson has hit his FT
ew can't complete a three point play to save our soul. - three straight misses when we trying to come back
Freebies gotdamn
Elmarko may not be quite ready but there is zero fear.
Get a stop
The lineup after we made our run where uk went back up 6-8 is on Bill
Oh wow, horrible.
Bad call
Wow
Lol
That's so bad
Bet they make both while we are 1/2 if lucky
Jay piss off man
Jay Bilas is full of crap tonight
Bilas???
Bilas is out of his damn mind
Well guys
Wow Jackson cannot shoot
@nuleafjhawk said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
Bilas is out of his damn mind
you can say that again
Wellps
Timberlake in for KJ?
Don't know why dajuan took forever to get that ball to elmarko
KJ 8-11 shooting for 16 points. No free throws. No threes. Many dunks. Gonna miss ya
@jayballer67 Bilas is out of his damn mind
Bill is pissed
@BeddieKU23 Furphy can
Hey we made the 16-2 run while he played
Glad heās uh uh uh on the bench right now
Bill favoring practice over whoās playing the best under the bright lights is asinine
Officials eager to make this game go one way.
gotta make that Elmarko
Well that's not probably not conducive
I like Bilas but I have zero clue what he's talking about.
Bill looked at his bench with a strange look. Lol
I may never go to Wendy's again. Their ads amount to aversion therapy.
@wissox said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
I like Bilas but I have zero clue what he's talking about.
You could see daylight between them. Bad take by Jay.
@nuleafjhawk said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
@jayballer67 Bilas is out of his damn mind
KJ straight up -now fricken foul - just brutal
No Jamari?
I had to turn the sound off about 3 minutes ago
@approxinfinity Furphy and Braun
Braun gonna hit a big 4 these final 4 minutes
Gonna be hard now we gonna be down 6
@RockChalkinTexas Doesnāt have billās trust yet is a better shooter and better athlete than Timberlake
we got this if we don't play stupid
I missed 2 good hours of sleep
Sciambi sucks
They have us beat. But it was really their superior effort in the middle 15 min of this game. Plain and simple
Harris again
80 points with 3:30 left
JUAN
Dajuan fn money
Harris is the DaMan
J u a n
Harris - Harris
@nuleafjhawk said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
I missed 2 good hours of sleep
This time change has me so messed up. I hate this one. Now Iām up until 1:30. My bed time is midnight lol
Wowwwwwww
We can't play D anymore because we can't even breath on D
Now Elmarko inā¦bill youāre crazy
Juan canāt guard but dude this J!!!
Never say die
Got lucky Juan
McDowell now
@RockChalkinTexas loose handles man
Juando's been working on that set shot all off season
DJ!
Billās an idiot
No McDowell and now crunch time heās in
@kuballin10 heās in lol
No furphy but Timberlake
Just asinine
@FarmerJayhawk who's the idiot
Dajuan just hit that too
@kuballin10 He's not the idiot
Bilas is a douche
Not always but tonight.
This Harris kid might be a gamer.
Goal tending before the foul. Edit - nope
these refs
Timberlake beat off dribble
Bill WHAT are you watching!!!!?!?!?
No furphy is comical
WOW
I'd like to incidentally contact Bilas
If you want to talk about trust, McDowell in to GUARD REEVES
Could also be necessity
hunter fouled him with his nose!
DONG
Justice
Kev could have fouled out there
Itās like one of those clinking ball things on at therapist desk. Whack whack
Lol. BILAS. At least try not to make it obvious ya fuckin idiot
@benshawks08 But canāt play all game
Bill again is out of his mind whether we win or lose
Needs to explain them
HUNTER
Wow that was a big boy basket
Hunting Hunter
I feel like I'm going to like this Dickinson fellow...
Letās ice this sucker
Dickenson: worth the $$$$
@nuleafjhawk im shocked how he has dominated. I mean maybe itās partially the matchup but what a beast performance
Kamari better get legit run next game
Furphy as well unless heās hurt because
Timberlake should be the 9th man
Iām sure I will be frustrated with him. But 20/21 is hard to complain about
Playing through hunter works. Much better in how they attacked the d this half. So much more movement
Sick bucket by Hunter. Thought he was going to kick it out LOL
Win or lose this dolt is going to argue to the end that Self is an idiot and that Harris can't play.
@approxinfinity weāve had bigs who have struggled in these types of matchups. Nice to see him get his for sure.
Offensive rebounds by UK somehow woke up my wife in the next room.
HD is a bad man. Anyone seen a big man performance here like that since Nick Collison? I'm listening
@cragarhawk said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
HD is a bad man. Anyone seen a big man performance here like that since Nick Collison? I'm listening
Big Dave in his last game was pretty good
Worth staying up for
Certainly someone who rises to the occasion
Kev needs one more rb for a triple double
TRob had some great games
Watch Shepherd
In May, I was hiking through Zion National Park and some guy in a Michigan sweatshirt said "you're going to love Dickinson"
I didn't know what he meant until I realized I was wearing a KU hoodie
McDowell might not get much late run after that.
Hated that timeout call.
Hunter seems surrounded by the 7 three footers Doris mentioned
Did defend okay but yeah not good poise there
D up
No foul
@BeddieKU23 said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
Did defend okay but yeah not good poise there
Heās helped off of reeves a bit much for my liking when his only goal should be preventing that dude from shooting a three
Garbage. The ball should be live until it misses.
They listened to me
Coach Cal!
Free throw practice.
Playing free and instinctual there.
Big FT
RCJH #BIBS
Boom
Make the FT please,
I actually enjoyed watching this Kentucky team play.
Big DUB
Love our new Jamari
Triple double Kevin
YAY US!
What a win
Goodnight Jayhawk buddies!
Live by the 3 die by the three.
Good win. OUr Bench needs to grow up!
How about those Jayhawks huh
@nuleafjhawk
great to have you
Tough win. Great win
Was that Harris kid any good?
@approxinfinity Got it on the last shot!
Not pretty. But it shouldn't probably be. Also if we could for the love of God even play 35 of 40 minutes just one damn time in my life
@benshawks08 š„°
Hunter, Juan, Kevin, KJ
@Zabudda said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
Hunter, Juan, Kevin, KJ
Sometimes all you need is the best 4 on the floor.
Whew, that was something. Good guys win again!
Hunter!
Holly loved KU when we treated her with compassion during her cancer.
Juan and Hunter.
Hunter's such a troll and it's enjoyable when he's on our team
Love Holly! I'm not happy about our D, but that will get a lot better.
Hunter loves saying Rock Chalk!š„°
@KirkIsMyHinrich said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
Juan and Hunter.
Hunter's such a troll and it's enjoyable when he's on our team
He can sure dish it!
Can't believe we survived at the end with Timberlake on the floor
@KirkIsMyHinrich said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
Juan and Hunter.
Hunter's such a troll and it's enjoyable when he's on our team
āWhen you have the most wins in ncaa historyā¦.ā Lol.
Well played.
Good win. Lots to work on. But as one great said, we good
Dejuan with the quietest most overshadowed 20 points ever
Career best efforts. I love when he gets aggressive. He can impact the game by driving and setting up his shot at times
ESPN box score crediting McCullar with the Triple Double!! TV didn't even notice it!!
Outscored them by 12 in the 2nd half. Impressed by UK frosh but do not feel sorry for them.
Put the game on mute in the 2nd half. I got tired of Jay Bilas' boot licking.
There hasn't been a foul called that he wasn't a fan of.
CS has said for 2 years nobody wants to go head to head with DeJaun in practice. I love when we get to see it in game. But even when we don't, he plays it how it's best for the team. You can't replace that
Night bucketeters!
See you Monday on my birthday!!
@bskeet said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
Dejuan with the quietest most overshadowed 20 points ever
shouldn't be overshadowed...brought the team back from dead down 6
McDowell has to play off the bench some. Way to hit those free throws
@RockChalkinTexas Night!
@jayhawks2010 said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
McDowell has to play off the bench some. Way to hit those free throws
Heās gonna earn a lot of run
I don't want to hear ANYONE talkin smack on Juando anymore this year - - PERIOD 5-5 from the three - 23 points. People need to realize he is a total pg, he dishes the dimes when that's what it's calling for and the kid CAN SCORE if in doubt - -re watch this game. -- - McCullar triple double. - -Dejuan is the REAL DEAL
And got that rebound to give him the chance.
@FarmerJayhawk said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
@jayhawks2010 said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
McDowell has to play off the bench some. Way to hit those free throws
Heās gonna earn a lot of run
clutch - -haadn't played a lick -comes in hits 2 huge clutch free throws - -kids a game - good 4 year player for us
Bad day for da BIG. Illinois loses, Wisconsin loses, Iowa loses, MSU loses, and its biggest star leads KU to a stirring victory.
@rcjhdraft said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
@bskeet said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
Dejuan with the quietest most overshadowed 20 points ever
shouldn't be overshadowed...brought the team back from dead down 6
23 points- -5-5 from the three , not sure how many asists
Just think how good Juan would be if he was actually good instead of being so bad. Where's the idiot now?
@jayballer67 7 assists
How am I supposed to sleep after that. Damn
Harris gets on the national stage and kills it!!!
@KirkIsMyHinrich said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
Put the game on mute in the 2nd half. I got tired of Jay Bilas' boot licking.
There hasn't been a foul called that he wasn't a fan of.
I had them down and listened to Hanni and Gurly most the game-- Bilas was ridiculous tonight -I think usually he is pretty good - -not tonight though
Was Bilas an ass clown tonite or what? I usually don't mind him unless he's covering Duke. Not so much today
@wissox said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
@jayballer67 7 assists
oh ok , thanks buddy
@wissox Self and Harris won us this game
Harris was 5/5 and on fire
He turned it over like a freaking d2 player for a 6th year guard he was bad in that aspect
Billās lineups didnāt make sense as Iāve pointed out countless times (the second half ones)
How can McDowell not get any run but the last two minutes. He couldnāt have helped the team earlier?
Furphy guards and rebounds and D at least has to guard him on the perimeterā¦we come back and he sits for TIMBERLAKE no less
@jayhawks2010 only dude who could hit both besides Hunter
Bilas must be worried about a KU - Duke matchup
@RockChalkinTexas said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
Night bucketeters!
See you Monday on my birthday!!
Dang! KU isnāt throwing a game for my bday on Friday. Bummed. š
@mayjay said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
Just think how good Juan would be if he was actually good instead of being so bad. Where's the idiot now?
ummmm we won -- - I think he ran REAL QUICK - he is constant sunshine
Kev playing with 4 fouls for last 6 minutes and not fouling out was big.
@BeddieKU23 THIS IS ALL IM ASKING FOR
GO BE FRANK AND ATTACK FOR LAYUPS OR DIMES
HIT OPEN THREES TEAMS DONT GUARD U
He determines how far we go
Turnover wise he was bad Juan BUT BOY DID HE PUT THE CAPE ON OFFENSIVELY AND COULDNT MISS!
@FarmerJayhawk U sure?
Self wonāt play him next game cause thatās how he rolls.
Get random crunch time minutes and we donāt see him until early December against some bad school
We hit 6 three's - where they come from ? - - Dejuan FIVE OF THEM - - Hunter the other - who would of thought - -Mccullar had none - -- Timberlake didn't have any - - Jackson zero -- and we won - -Juan FIVE ! ! !
@approxinfinity This aged well. š
Kj shooting needs work but man does he score the ball effortlessly around the hoop. He's a dependable 3rd scorer and it's pretty amazing how athletic he is.
@kuballin10 yep, he guards. Thatās an auto play with Self. And we play Chaminade lol. Itās gonna be walk on time the last 8
Nick is highly unimpressive so far. But I'm hoping he finds his stride here... alla Remy Martin style
Gonna go dream jayhawk dreams...
Needs to see the ball go in.
Self's ideal lineup is 5 Jimmy Butlers so McDowell has a good sporting chance
Really wish elmarko attacked the rim more
Anybody notice Self is much calmer?
@wissox said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
Bad day for da BIG. Illinois loses, Wisconsin loses, Iowa loses, MSU loses, and its biggest star leads KU to a stirring victory.
Ouch⦠well played!
@FarmerJayhawk It wasnāt an auto play for 38 minutes though lol
Dude thinks Timberlake is better but than we claim self plays who can guardā¦which is it cause this doesnāt add uo
Well, heck. Iām overseas and 6 hours ahead. Lost a LOT of sleep tonight, but well worth it. Couldnāt watch so Iāll have to find it when we return!
@cragarhawk That aināt happening brotha
Juan
Furphy
Kev
Kj
Hunter
Jamari
Elmarko
Braun
That should be the 8 with some Timberlake
Going to Rupp Rafters after Kentucky loses is like eating at McDonalds. It feels good going down but there's incredible guilt and shame.
@kuballin10 well. I hear ya. But it's a full season pass. And we get the ride. And honestly don't know what's happening and what isn't til we see it or don't. I'm willing to be surprised
@kuballin10 yeah itās also November 14. Bill is giving Nick every chance to break out of his funk. Someone on this board once told me that the best scorers are the best players and Nicks career average is pretty high so idk maybe heās giving that a go for awhile here
Kevin is the first triple dble at KU?
@rcjhdraft Itās what he does best but he isnāt confident in it right now and not playing freely
@FarmerJayhawk haha well played!
Nick canāt score at this level from what Iāve seen but if he was Reed Sheppard like or Cam Spencer Iād shut up
Spencer is the biggest whiff
Kevinās first maybe
Check espn
@kuballin10 no and tbh I was more bearish on Nick than almost anyone. And bullish on Jamari. Heās going to do a lot of really good things here
The timing on Spencer was always going to be really tough. Went in late so we didnāt have a concrete role to offer. In retrospect we shouldāve never taken Morris and gone after other options.
@Crimsonorblue22 Withey in the tourney - points, boards & blocks
@FarmerJayhawk I was too so after watching this itās clear he wonāt be what Iād expected
Man thatās on Self and if we could have had Cam play the 2ā¦.geez hand us the title
@Crimsonorblue22 5th player with a triple double at KU. - Donāt forget Cole Aldrich in the tourney! I donāt think blocks were an official stat when Wilt played.
BH Born. And Maybe Collison.
ESPN knows less about KU than I do. JK Lol
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Checked the box score, couldn't believe we end up shooting the ball as well as we did right at 48 % for the game. --- 22 assists - shot better from the three believe it or not, but they shot a lot more three's also. shot well from the line. - just proud of the fight of these guys
What I love tho. CS having fun coaching this team. Even when we didn't look good. He was smiling and enjoying himself. Soaking up the atmosphere. Letting the team find their identity to an extent. They need to be tested in pressure situations. Nobody knows this better than he
@kuballin10 impossible to say if that ever wouldāve been a possibility but Morris was definitely a huge whiff. Ah well our 8 (will be 9) are what we have
Looks like we have three studs and a fourth very athletic dude (not to mention a HOF coach). If anyone on the bench emerges, we are a solid contender. If not, we will be vulnerable to top 25 teams.
The balance alone makes this team better than last yearās.
Maui will be interesting.
@tundrahok I think they meant assists instead of boards? They did say traditional triple dble.
@Crimsonorblue22 Sorry, I thought you were asking if Kevin's was the first triple-double by a KU player. Blocks didn't become official stats until 1985, so Aldrich had the first certified triple-double by a KU player in 2009 (with apologies to Wilt and Born, at least). Withey's was in 2012. Have we had any since then? I don't remember any. Maybe Kevin is the first with assists? Pretty cool, regardless.
@tundrahok yes to both! First with assists and only the third all time.
Pretty cool list of players! Thx, guys. That's a pretty dang big deal! š¤©
After Reeves decided to engage Dajuan with a little cocky crap we outscored them by 17
Well, got home late from an out of town trip, so had to DVR the game. Zzz.
I sure as hell thought this was gonna be a sky is again falling note. Surprise, surprise! :)
Happy for the win, but sure as hell did some cussing along the way.
The Kentucky players sure looked like top tier athletes. Not all, but most. We had a very hard time covering the 3 pt line. Another poster said something earlier that I was also wondering aboutā¦why were we doubling and trying to recover to the typically wide open Kentucky shooters? Odd coaching when Kentucky had no big of concern. That seemed the main problem to me for awhile.
I guess the big question is how much more leash does Timberlake get?
And wholly F*ck! What a crazy choice to put McDowell in for the first time that late! Wow.
@Crimsonorblue22 said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
Anybody notice Self is much calmer?
And Coach looks so much better physically. Hey, what was up with the BS comment Calipari made to Coach during the half court interview at the start of the game about 2 championship games? It seemed to me Cal was trying to take a shot at Coach and Coach seemed surprised or unprepared for Cal's comment.
I could look at Hunter's line in the box score all day. What a game. But, I'm drawn to the line of KU's Ironman, Mr. "I'll shoot when the team needs it." Juan played 38 min, went 5/6 from 3 and scored 23 frickin pts when KU need it.
This was quite the thread.
Does KU not have the conditioning or the will to defend hard in the first halves of games? Kentucky took wide open 3s all first half, hitting 10. But, only made 2 3s in the second half. Why oh why is my team always down by several possessions at the half of big games? Like Coach Self, this shit is hard on my cardiovascular system.
Wasnāt there some people on here bad mouthing Hunter before the year?
@tundrahok said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
@Crimsonorblue22 Sorry, I thought you were asking if Kevin's was the first triple-double by a KU player. Blocks didn't become official stats until 1985, so Aldrich had the first certified triple-double by a KU player in 2009 (with apologies to Wilt and Born, at least). Withey's was in 2012. Have we had any since then? I don't remember any. Maybe Kevin is the first with assists? Pretty cool, regardless.
Not official but Born did it in a championship game for goodness sake. 1st triple double at KU.
Kansas center B.H. Born recorded an unofficial triple-double in KUās heartbreaking 69-68 loss to Indiana in the 1953 championship game when he totaled 26 points, 15 rebounds, and 13 blocks.
Wilt had one against Colorado in ā57 (probably several more idk) 40pts 13 reb 12 blocks.
Cole Aldrich posted the first official triple-double in Kansas Basketball history with 13 points, 20 rebounds and 10 blocked shots against Dayton in the ncaa tournament
Kansas senior big man Withey went insane for the No. 10-ranked Jayhawks (nov ā12), recording the second triple-double in school history with 16 points, 12 rebounds and a school-record 12 blocks in a 70-57 victory over San Jose State.
McCullar - 12pts 10 reb 10 assists. First triple double with assists I guess is the 1st people were talking about.
This all happened, just like the final four in 2018. Doesnāt matter if itās official to a true KU fan.
@stoptheflop game of runs. They could've driven all day. We had the early lead, we got to sped up and our wheels feel off. TO's! Bad shots!
@Woodrow said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
Wasnāt there some people on here bad mouthing Hunter before the year?
Did not notice, I was too worried about the resident rapist.
Hunter always give credit to his teammates and Self! š«¶š„°
@nuleafjhawk That's cold man. Their grannies? Their cats? Heartless......but necessary because who cares about those things? We are about victories so never ever feel bad about doing what it takes to light a fire.
Read somewhere ripping off Juan's headband really po'd him off and lit his fire! Thought that was funny.
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
Anybody notice Self is much calmer?
And Coach looks so much better physically. Hey, what was up with the BS comment Calipari made to Coach during the half court interview at the start of the game about 2 championship games? It seemed to me Cal was trying to take a shot at Coach and Coach seemed surprised or unprepared for Cal's comment.
IIRC, Holly said they had played in the champ before, and Cal said twice. Then Cal joked, "I won both of them didn't I?" and Self laughed and said something like "Defintely not!" I think it was all good natured.
@Crimsonorblue22 said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
Hunter always give credit to his teammates and Self! š«¶š„°
He was very good post game. He's still himself but Self has definitely talked to him about the nonsense.
Hunter has been fantastic as a Jayhawk on and off the court. Lucky to have him.
Lots to learn from this game. Particularly some defensive notes.
Some guys will gain confidence from this. It remains to be seen if Juan becomes more of a scorer.
I'll say it again, but the balance of the top 3-4 is the thing that will make this team hard to beat. Those four have to stay out of foul trouble and healthy. Assuming they do, they will be a force for any team.
@rockchalkjayhawk said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
Another poster said something earlier that I was also wondering aboutā¦why were we doubling and trying to recover to the typically wide open Kentucky shooters? Odd coaching when Kentucky had no big of concern. That seemed the main problem to me for awhile.
I would guess the doubling was to keep Hunter out of foul trouble and Bill wasn't as afraid of Kentucky's 3 point shooting.
They weren't hitting at the beginning of the game. We got out of control!
@mayjay said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
@stoptheflop said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
@Crimsonorblue22 said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
Anybody notice Self is much calmer?
And Coach looks so much better physically. Hey, what was up with the BS comment Calipari made to Coach during the half court interview at the start of the game about 2 championship games? It seemed to me Cal was trying to take a shot at Coach and Coach seemed surprised or unprepared for Cal's comment.
IIRC, Holly said they had played in the champ before, and Cal said twice. Then Cal joked, "I won both of them didn't I?" and Self laughed and said something like "Defintely not!" I think it was all good natured.
Ya Cal said I've won both Championships haven't I - - Coach sia uh uh NO you lucked into one of them lmao
I have a question for anybody that might know. - -What is our record against Calipari now since he has been at Kentucky. I think we are doing fairly well against him aren't we ? - I know we beat him when he Coached at Memphis
I will say this about Kentucky , they are going to be a force later this year to contend with , when they get their 7 footers to go with these other kids as they develop through the year - -they gonna be good. -they could have a legit chance to have run for a couple of years with the kids they got - - only one problem, sure Cal recruits top notch talent - -thing with that, all these kids think they are one and done and don't really stick around long enough to do that.
This is kind of one of the reasons I like Coach , he gets those players, really solid that's in the middle 20 rank maybe 30-even 40 type rank players, kids that's going to be here 2-3 years and they develop. Sprinkle in every now nd then that 5 star or high 4 - -makes a world of difference. Bill & staff does a really good job of developing players
@dylans Good stuff. One of my favorite memories is the game Cole had against UNC during our championship run. He didn't contribute much in the championship game but helped us get there. I was a little disappointed in his NBA career, thought he was going to have a long run in the league, which he kind of did, but not as a dominant player.
@jayballer67 They're tied 6-6 now after last night but that includes Memphis game as well.
@MR11 that wasnāt the case.
It was 10:37 in the first half and uk threw it in to mccullarās man who was posting him
For some reason Hunter who was opposite went to double and kj was left playing 2 guys
Why Hunter is doubling when his guy is out on the wing isnāt smart basketball and why we double with our slow big man is another wth are we doing.
@wissox said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
@jayballer67 They're tied 6-6 now after last night but that includes Memphis game as well.
Oh ok thanks. I am off some I guess I thought since he was at Kentucky w had done better then that against him. - It's ok were still batting 500 against him then lol
Woke up still very happy we pulled off that win.
Hunter was nutso awesome. Dajuan was very aggressive, which weāve been waiting for. What a shooting night! But, no offense to Dajuan, but if heās our main threat from deep, we got problems.
I think my boy Furphy will become a 3 pt threat this season. Form looks good. Elmarko didnāt look awful shooting it. KJ did! :) Dunno what Timberkakeās deal is. Does he just need to get used to big boy competition? If he canāt shoot, I see no purpose for him hitting the floor at all. Liability. I was high on his athleticism in highlight reels, but thatās not shining at the moment. Sorry, approx, but it pains me to watch McCullar shoot!
More Jamari! More Furphy!
RE defense: Bill signed up for being a bad defensive team when he took Hunter. It is what it is and the entire 3 man combo of HD/KJ/PB will not be good defensively when you have two of them in the game. On the bright side we can and are doing super cool stuff offensively despite not having strong shooters.
Also bad is relative, Bill has lofty standards.
I like lofty.
Anyone know what Reeves said to DaJuan that lit the fire?
@wissox Cole is my all-time favorite ex Jayhawk in Self era.
By the time Cole came to the league, 5 spot had evolved in that Bigs need to be able to score away from the basket and shoot at least a modest % on trey. Unfortunately, Cole lacked in this area and could not contribute.
Imagine if Shaq was in the league today? Could he survive?
To answer the question on what to expect at the champions classic. Iām gonna say expect to win 89-84, Hunter has 20 plus points and rebounds, Kev probably goes for a triple double. You heard it here first folks.
Watching the 2nd half again and goodness did KJ get screwed by some bad calls or what? Early in the 2nd half he has equal position with a blue shirt guy for a defensive rebound. Ref calls it on KJ, then of course the really really really bad call that Bilas pissed off all of Jayhawk Nation so much on. I felt bad for the kid. The call he fouled out on, not sure I remember it being too bad.
Timberlake can go fly a kite for all I care
It wasn't Furphy's night. Imagine a teenager, recently arrived from another country, on that stage. He seemed overwhelmed, and his stats reflect that (no points in 12 minutes), especially after what we saw in Allen. We know Self values experience, and I'm sure he thought his balding slow old guard could handle the pressure a bit better (mentally) than a kid who oozes talent but needs seasoning. Furphy will get there.
It also appeared that the matchup wasn't ideal for him either due to Kentucky having a bunch of guards. He couldn't defend their speed and it was noticeable. Looked sped up otherwise. He will get there
@kuballin10 You ought to just go apply for the job. Your non stop weak takes on Bill Self and DaJuan Harris are ruining what should be a fun time and season for this team.
Lay off Timberlake guys⦠Yeesh - give him a chance for god sakes. There will be games where he will pour in 3ās, hit clutch shots, make big time pressure free throws.. you wait and see.
I think Timberlake and furphy battle for the first guard off the bench bc we do need someone who can provide the scoring punch. Timberlake hasnāt been great so far but he has to have a chance for a little longer. Which ever guard doesnāt win that spot needs to be behind McDowell. We canāt play furphy and Timberlake combo that much against good teams. It is too much of a drop in speed. We need a second guard to be athletic play good defense etc. I also think McDowell can be like Garret and against a lot of matchups he could fill some Adam back up min at the 4 bc we canāt really count on Braun to be that guy.
Braun needs to be center back up min thatās it
@Bosthawk said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
Lay off Timberlake guys⦠Yeesh - give him a chance for god sakes. There will be games where he will pour in 3ās, hit clutch shots, make big time pressure free throws.. you wait and see.
Ya, I'm not giving up on him already 3 games into the Season. I do think in time he might be ok. - It's a big jump coming from a School where you was THE MAN to a Major P-5 where your coming off the bench and expected to drain 3's right off the bat. - -I think it's a lot of a confidence thing right now - - he just needs to see a few fall , he gets some of those go down, I think he can still be productive and help this team.
@wissox said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
@kuballin10 You ought to just go apply for the job. Your non stop weak takes on Bill Self and DaJuan Harris are ruining what should be a fun time and season for this team.
You might as wel save your breathe, not going to change anything with him. I don't think I have heard two good things come out thatt mouth since he has showed up here. - - Aways just a bundle of sunshine
@jayballer67 Plenty of guys said negative things last night. I hone in on what the keys are for the team to succeed which Iām negative or positive about.
Self trusts Juan and Juan needs to step up.
5 of 6 on 3 pointers, but DaJuan needs to step up. Holy cow, step up from that performance last night? A couple of silly turnovers early on, but the KU Jayhawks are now 2-1 if they didn't have DaJuan Harris playing last night.
@wissox Go to the appreciation thread and read what I said
He clearly stepped up and was a stud last night
If he scores his usual 8-10 we lose by double digits
He and Self with HD won that game like men
U only see the negative comments I write and pass over the positive so quick. You probably love watching the nightly news as well
@kuballin10 said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
@jayballer67 Plenty of guys said negative things last night. I hone in on what the keys are for the team to succeed which Iām negative or positive about.
Self trusts Juan and Juan needs to step up.
not sure if you have noticed or not but Juan has stepped up many many times the kid is a stud
@kuballin10 I totally get being frustrated when the team is playing poorly - we all say some negative stuff. I also can see that you know a lot about the hawks and bball in general, and you like to chime with in with what they need to do from your perspective. Free speech and all that.
But jeez man, I feel many of us wish you would sometimes tone down that avalanche of negativity that pours out from you. Itās not just wissox or jayballer⦠even our gentle moderator approx had to ask you last night to turn it down a notch. Iām glad he did too, as that uber negative vibe had me ready to log off the game chat which is something I really enjoy. And a couple of other regular posters who no longer comment here have felt that way too.
This is a site for fans. Weāre all here to support our team. Sometimes this means hoping the good guys win, and supporting each other, even if things look bleak - or else it can feel like the opposing teams site.
I donāt know if you have children or not, but maybe think about it like if your kid is playing ball. Of course heās gonna suck sometimes, and of course you can see he sucks. But as a parent most of the time (not all) itās way better to temper your frustrations and criticisms when youāre at his game and express them in a somewhat more positive manner. Not sugarcoat, not lie, not swallow your emotions⦠but not endlessly berate either.
Again, I can see you know a ton about this team and the game in general. And I see you do post some positive things too, itās just they seem vastly overshadowed by the negative. Iāve been a board rat for more than decade and Iāve never looked into how to block someone until last night.
If you just tried to turn it down a notch I (and I think most) would really enjoy your posts.
Just my two cents worth.
@StLJhawk Not just your two cents worth. Very well said solid advice, and I think you speak for most. Its a matter of tact @kuballin10. Approaching it not only as if Juan, Nick, or whomever, is your child, but as if he is everyone on the boardās child I think is an easy way to frame a winning approach.
Juan is our guy, probably on most peoples shortlist of favorite current Jayhawks. We dont come here to tear guys like that down, we build them up. We want them to succeed. We believe they get PT for a reason. We believe in Bill Self. Juans success (or any playerās success on our team) isnt just about numbers. Its about a kid getting a golden opportunity and taking it by the horns. Is Juan a stocky 6ā3 lottery pick that can pour in 20 nightly in the league? Of course not. But that lanky quiet pass first guard was a bad bad man and beat a bunch of studs last night. Thats better than being a prototype. Thats special. We want to celebrate the guys we got, not focus on the guys we wish they were.
@kuballin10 - OK.
@kuballin10 "Juan needs to step up." You wrote that. I don't see some appreciation thread. You wrote that 24 hours after he had maybe his best game as a Jayhawk.
@wissox He needs to step up his scoring like he did when he dominated offensively against ukā¦..all year.
Iām team Juan needs to hunt his shot this year because putting him in that frame of mind āattack modeā is great. Heās so unselfish that even in this āattack modeāHe will always get his teammates involved first offensively.
For us to be great Juan has to channel his inner Frank mason scoring wise and if he does that WATCH OUT because itās title number 3 for Bill and 2 for Juan!
@nuleafjhawk said in What to Expect at the Champions Classic?:
In May, I was hiking through Zion National Park and some guy in a Michigan sweatshirt said "you're going to love Dickinson"
Sounds like Confucius at a pedophile convention.
Generally don't care too much about the media but you would think Kentucky won that game. Tons of moral victory stuff. Sad how far they have fallen as a program. :violin:
I don't follow most game threads on bb or fb because there is just way too much bitching about the refs. There are at least 4 regulars who can be counted on to post up to 10 comments in every thread about calls. And most of the calls griped about that I have gone back to watch were correct.
That, and the constant complaining about ESPN's alleged bias...do people have auto-fill buttons to write these?
It isn't just our fans, I know. For some reason groups of fans watching together all seem to think the refs are against their team. I am sure UK fans did the same the other night.
But the refrain gets old.
@Bosthawk Iāll admit, Iāve been a little tough on him but not because of shooting. I think you are right, heāll be hitting in a game or two this season. But my god idk if Iāve seen a player more outta position defensively and his lateral quickness is arguably the worst Iāve ever seen at this level. He may get a little better at positioning but he aināt getting any faster as a 6th year guy. Furphy will surpass him in minutes within the next few weeks.
I noticed that Calipari, like Bruce Weber frequently is on the court while the ball is in play. Coach Self does a nice job of staying on the side line and in the coaching box.