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It’s so cold the sound quit

Screen is blurry and no audio smh another espn plus blunder

ESPN really stepped up for this top ten matchup. Good grief

-10 with wind?

@approxinfinity yeah, it’s cold af

Wowow real feel
-15

Actually Worse with the audio

We are going to smash these dudes flat imo

KJ having himself a game

Furphy's arms help!

I think Bill likes the Furph

Furphy with 3 hustle plays in 4 minutes

@DanR hard not to with that start

Furphy......

Furphy with some electric energy early

I am waiting for Furphy for trey.... moment

KJ's rebounding has improved significantly

Brady on the bench giving furphy some pointers on old man ball

Silly shot kev

🙋‍♀️

There we go

Are we staying here or moving?

Mccullum and mccullar. Frans dream

Stay here final answer ;) sorry, locked wrong thread

Hopefully Parker has practiced to relieve Hunt

KJ 💪

Adams is so strong and athletic. He's the kind of player that makes the difference in a 6 game run at the end of the season.

Lob city

@bskeet great thought

Kev probably could have lobbed it to Braun again

McCullar's shot is off, hope it starts to fall

Our managers beat their managers by 35+

@bskeet KJ is the strongest most athletic guy on the court 99% of the time. He’s been shooting free throws everyday he told me last week on snap.

UCF was a disappointment, but I still really like this team's chances. The margin for error is slimmer this year with every team. They've just extended the survive and advance from March to January.

Parker would be better if he yelled bit@h!😂 on those oops!

@Crimsonorblue22 I miss Christian yelling at opposing fans lol baby faced assassin

I didnt really analyze what changed from first half to second last game. But we had that comfortably in hand, then got hit by a bus.

Juando’s floater hadn’t been great lately

Also, I'm officially looking to see when the last KU game is on ESPN+ so I can cancel immediately after the game. The service is garbage. The worst of every streaming service I've used... and I've used many.

Kev come on man

Redic

Dumb foul

No kev

Hmmm good sell, dumb foul

Kevin not playing smart today

Offense gets stagnet and then mistakes get made

@FarmerJayhawk starting to wonder about his bb IQ

I thought it was sold more than a dumb foul

kJ!

OU has weathered the storm fairly well. Need to keep up the intensity and not give them help.

Easy peasy

🤦‍♀️

Hunter at point isn’t doing it for me

Dajuans form looks improved to me

That’ll work

@FarmerJayhawk said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:

It’s so cold the sound quit

Was an improvement.

We look so much better when DeJuan shoots some threes.

Mccullum has been a challenge for us

Okie isn’t missing many shots

Kind of lucky there too, it just went right to the OU player after the block

What a struggle bus on offense

physical in the paint. Officials calling every other foul.

Backcourt is 3-10. Gotta make shots

Furphy and Kevin both missed some open ones, let’s knock those down fellas

KU has to find a way to make some shots. They're generally outplaying OU, but outside of KJ and Hunter, nobody has made more than 1 shot.

@BeddieKU23 r u counting Kevin in there?

@Crimsonorblue22

Yeah

Bummed I don't get to watch #Chiefs. Not giving $$$$ for Peacock. Not one thing I would watch on there.

@RockChalkinTexas

It's streamable for free on many sites

Kj needs a lil more arch

cmon refs. call it the same both ways.

If you take Hawaii out the stats, kj must be shooting about 75% free throws

Kevin young behind bench

Bill is searching here

Offense good grief we make it seem so hard

Man this is some horrid shooting

Surprised they didn't call Harris for a double dribble there.

There’s an idea. Get it to hunter

wow. That's a break.

I ❤ KJ

A bad break and then a great play by KJ

Kj that's awesome effort

Juan has missed about 10 layups the last few games

KJ....

Juan needs to stay aggressive, attack mode

KJ and Hunter have 9 made FG's, the rest of the team has 4 made FG's.

Kevin needs to get involved here offensively

Something I always tell my players is of your shot isn't falling, then make sure your man isn't making shots either.

Tech over KSUcks

McCollum is getting a little cocky

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:

Something I always tell my players is of your shot isn't falling, then make sure your man isn't making shots either.

And I'm mostly talking to Dejuan here. I don't know what his defense against UCF looked like, but the last couple of games I've seen, his defense hasn't looked up to his normal standard.

McCollum is having that out of body experience that at least one player has when playing KU.

Nice Hunt

frantic sloppy but effortful end to the half

Well at least we still have the lead.

This team would be very pedestrian without Hunter. Need to feed him the ball even more.

wtf Juan 15 seconds left and you shoot. Freshman move buddy

Hunter is money near deep post

@kjayhawks said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:

wtf Juan 15 seconds left and you shoot. Freshman move buddy

Ugg 🤦

Juan has made our only 3

Have to make some shots in the second and play better defense.

@KirkIsMyHinrich also missed 2 layups and took a terrible shot there. His awareness has to be better than that, you’re a champion and senior. Act like it

@kjayhawks said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:

@KirkIsMyHinrich also missed 2 layups and took a terrible shot there. His awareness has to be better than that, you’re a champion and senior. Act like it

My point was more that no one else on the team has made a 3 today

@KirkIsMyHinrich you are a 100% just need him to get out of this funk he appears to be in.

@bskeet said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:

McCollum is having that out of body experience that at least one player has when playing KU.

not really , as he is OU's leading scorer, avgs 15 a game, so really no different then what he has done all year

Hopefully the lid comes off from deep glaring stat is us shooting 17% from 3 and most of them were open looks. Just about every other stat is even, need to get some steals and run outs. Great call by Bill posting up Kev to get him involved offensively

This is the only game between ranked teams today. And, it's a top 10 matchup. So naturally the geniuses at the networks put this on ESPN+. SMH

@bskeet if it isn’t LeBron, ACC or SEC ESPN doesn’t care the slightest.

Big 12 everyone

plain and simple KJ is chiseled period mercy

@bskeet said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:

Also, I'm officially looking to see when the last KU game is on ESPN+ so I can cancel immediately after the game. The service is garbage. The worst of every streaming service I've used... and I've used many.

Wait til you try Peacock! Much worse.

Peacock is slightly better. Which is not a compliment.

@bskeet

Sounds like this game was already made an espn plus game before they would know Oklahoma would be ranked as high as they are. There wasn't expectations for what they are doing. Still I agree they could have put this on TV.

Well, the basketball-loving public can enjoy VCU and LaSalle.

Maybe they’ll decide to push the Chiefs game indoors to The Fieldhouse. Could be more fan attendance?

watch I'll jinx us but through the 1st half only ONE turnover

LOVE the way Furphy started the game. Foul trouble expected, sadly. That’s ok.

Interesting to me they didn’t just move the Bills game to today earlier in the week 🤷🏻‍♂️

Back to the couch. Go Hawks!

One thing that is constant is how beautiful Lawrence and the hill looks in the snow.

At least we cleaned up the TOs

Better on fouls too.

Watched Zuby earlier.

Not a foul omg

Garbage call

Weak asf

So the officiating continues to be one sided.

Furph has had a brutal whistle

They are driving on Furph and then getting the and 1. Did seem like a bs call but wondering if Furph is too timid with his position. Shouldnt let the guy drive by him regardless

I'm at the mall. Should I watch the 2nd half?

FUUUURPH

Crikey

@nuleafjhawk yes

Nice sequence

@nuleafjhawk said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:

I'm at the mall. Should I watch the 2nd half?

Yes

My post about getting some run outs aged well

@approxinfinity

Not quick enough laterally yet and needs some muscle on that frame. He'll get there but he's all hands which is what is costing him

Furphy is overall an upgrade. Nothing against any of the others.

4 points 3 rebounds and an assist is still more stats that Elmarko has put up in this 3rd conference game.

He'll get better at the defense.

I wanna know how them blind refs missed KJ get hacked on that layup

Furphy #10. Pulisic, Messi, good number.

@BeddieKU23 They are only watching the contact in the paint on one side.

Is ESPN+ using a weird filter or is it the new lighting in Allen? My image has a yellowish cast to it.

Man open shots gotta make

@stoptheflop mine too.

Tough to figure this game. Only 1 TO yet only up a deuce...

Is KU biology dept creating a study abroad program in Russia where we clone B Rush clones and sign them to KU at zero years old? Asking for a friend.

Foul on KJ ARE YOU KIDDING ME

Kj fouled with his head I guess

Some these 3s have to start dropping right?

@DCHawker This team would be really good with Grady Dick. Just no shooters, not a single one. Some guys that have decent shooting stats, but no shooters.

Furphy was fouled on that layup attempt

@dylans thats what i was getting at,
No year 1 pure shooters.

@DCHawker

OU 157th in steals. Last 2 opponents were in top 30 I believe.

@bskeet said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:

This is the only game between ranked teams today. And, it's a top 10 matchup. So naturally the geniuses at the networks put this on ESPN+. SMH

College basketball TV scheduling doesn't work the same way as college football. CBB TV schedules are announced before the season starts and OU wasn't expected to be any good this year so it was relegated to ESPN+ since every B12 team has to play a minimum number of games on ESPN+.

1/9 from 3. Jeez. At home. Jeez. Come on

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:

College basketball TV scheduling doesn’t work the same way as college football. CBB TV schedules are announced before the season starts and OU wasn’t expected to be any good this year so it was relegated to ESPN+ since every B12 team has to play a minimum number of games on ESPN+.

Yeah, I realize that. Doesn't mean that it's a smart strategy for scheduling. You'd think they would learn.

So 1 sided it's unreal

I appreciate Hunters body language. Hes gotten comfortable with the guys.

Finally a trey

Thx Kev

@bskeet said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:

College basketball TV scheduling doesn’t work the same way as college football. CBB TV schedules are announced before the season starts and OU wasn’t expected to be any good this year so it was relegated to ESPN+ since every B12 team has to play a minimum number of games on ESPN+.

Yeah, I realize that. Doesn't mean that it's a smart strategy for scheduling. You'd think they would learn.

Logistics for college basketball are much more complicated than for college football so there's really not the room to shuffle games around the different ESPN networks and still meet all of their contractual obligations on how many times different teams and conferences have to appear on an ESPN network instead of ESPN+.

Crowd is as smart as we are. Came to life with that wide open 3 make

Hunter

Block party Hunter!

Whew we got a foul called

Yeah that screen was crisp. Good stuff Hunter

Good job announcer

Wow! Bang! There is furph33333333

FUUUURPH

Hopefully the lid stays off for KU!

Smart uzan

Gosh i wish i could shoot baby hooks like Dickinson

this stretch!

Kevin lol

Keep the pedal on

That's the way I like it uh uh

We’ve got good kev and bad kev today lol

Furph could still be the hero we need from 3 @dylans i propose we let it breathe, first career start and all, that last make was cold blooded

Is HD best transfer Self has recruited here at KU

People that dislike Hunter, what more do you want from the guy? 18 points, 9 boards, 5 blocks and 2 assists with 10 minutes to go. I’m curious what more can he do? I’ll agree he’s not great defensively but goodness

This is what we need. That 4th scorer and it's furphy because he will run the floor and shoot the 3. Game changer

Fearless Furphy...

@AsadZ besides Kevin? YES

@AsadZ

Kev and Remy. I say it's a tie between the 3

Kevin just getting too sped up here, slow down a touch buddy

@RockChalkinTexas def feels good to have a potential All American playing not great and the lead stretching. 4th scorer is everything

@BeddieKU23 Remy did great in one post season, but for overall impact, I wouldn't put him in the same category as the other 2.

@AsadZ said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:

Is HD best transfer Self has recruited here at KU

I think so. We only have half a season and we don't know how it will turn out.. With Remy, we know how the story ended and he deserves consideration. But just pure consistent impact, it has to go to Hunter.

Shudder to think what would this team be without him.

This is Jeff Withey erasure

Oh KJ

@AsadZ said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:

Is HD best transfer Self has recruited here at KU

If we're talking for a single season, he's certainly in the discussion with Dedric Lawson. Overall, I would say it's Jeff Withey considering we got 3.5 seasons of him.

Remy also gets an honorable mention because of his tournament performance.

Our ball

@FarmerJayhawk withey def deserves a mention on the all time transfer list. Our D was built around him in title run

My goodness KJ lol goof

Finally got to double digit lead

If Uweh hits the portal yes please

Is ou hugley a defensive end for football too? Lol

If Hunter cuts down nets he can be #1

Yeah kev is doing smart things here

Kevin now doing what he needs to do. Drive and force the foul

Drive it and make them blow the whistle

I can see Elmarko being much much better in 6th man role. For all the reasons ppl have said plus as a change of pace guy he can be electric

That looked painful

Cheerleaders offered no help

Wow ref that's the other way

Boo

Smooth floater

There ya go Juan

racking up the fouls now. sigh

Hopefully that gets Juan going

Our screens have been so crisp recently. Other seasons we have had way more moving screens called. Gusss its the personnel upgrade in that dept.

Need to get a bucket here

Marko!

Nice EJ

Three straight threes plus a freebie for OU

NICE

Sweet

Big time

Chemistry!

Saw chris Teahan back behind bench too

Lets go defense! Slam the door!

And now the whistle is tight for the rest of the way

OU will switch to zone here.

@Texas-Hawk-10 Yea, I forgot about Jeff W, he was a monster

Gary Woodland played a great 1st round back. #RockChalk

elmarko's first basket in big 12 play came in the third game lol

Hopefully Andrew Babalola is enjoying the game

@AsadZ said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:

@Texas-Hawk-10 Yea, I forgot about Jeff W, he was a monster

I mean, Rex Walters, Jared Haase... Also candidates, but that was a long time ago.

🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 for Scot Pollard up

@bskeet said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:

@AsadZ said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:

@Texas-Hawk-10 Yea, I forgot about Jeff W, he was a monster

I mean, Rex Walters, Jared Haase... Also candidates, but that was a long time ago.

The original question was best transfer of the Bill Self era and those two are Roy transfers.

KJ has been quiet this half

Refs finally woke up

@stoptheflop said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:

KJ has been quiet this half

0 points, it's been the Kevin McCullar show this half.

Gonna be a freethrow contest here

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:

@bskeet said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:

@AsadZ said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:

@Texas-Hawk-10 Yea, I forgot about Jeff W, he was a monster

I mean, Rex Walters, Jared Haase... Also candidates, but that was a long time ago.

The original question was best transfer of the Bill Self era and those two are Roy transfers.

Ah. I gotta read more carefully.

Absolutely goaltend

Need to get Juan out

Need to get Juan out

Need to get Juan out

Need to get Juan out

Need to get Juan out

Need to get Juan out

Need to get Juan out

Marko got energy to burn

Not sure why it posted it 5 times lol

@kjayhawks said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:

Need to get Juan out

WTH happened with this post? I'm seeing it 6 times, lol!

Lol

@kjayhawks was gonna say man you really feel strongly about Juan lol

Guys are tired. HCBS doesn't sub out in the 2d half...

Hunter has been brilliant.

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:

@kjayhawks said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:

Need to get Juan out

WTH happened with this post? I'm seeing it 6 times, lol!

7 times, this is why I'm not a math teacher.

It's the haircut

@Crimsonorblue22 was just thinking same!

Defense has been much better this half.

@FarmerJayhawk @Texas-Hawk-10 swear I said it once, dang cold weather 🤣

@RockChalkinTexas it looks good!

I really don't understand why the analytics don't like this team.

Forcing turnovers and making some shots. Have all the momentum for OU to go another 100 years without winning here

@bskeet if they don’t turn the ball over, they are supper efficient

@bskeet said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:

I really don't understand why the analytics don't like this team.

We don't blow teams out so our NET and Kenpom are low

@BeddieKU23 lol!

UCF was an anomaly, mostly.

I'm anxious to see us against a zone

Adams with a double double. He's boarding now which is fun

@bskeet Unidentified Cluster F—

@bskeet it was like coach says, you play 5 games better than you are, 5 games worse than you are and the rest is who you really are.

@kjayhawks love that quote. Self say that?

We don't want to be settling for jumpers now. Pound it in and get to the foul line...

OU has a Adams, ours is just way better

Kevs dad looks like a former body builder

@bskeet said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:

UCF was an anomaly, mostly.

UCF is what happens when one of the core 4 gets into foul trouble.

Kevin's dad looks like someone I wouldn't want to piss off

Furph should be out there

My takeaway from UCF is that our kryptonite continues to be a long athletic team playing zone.

@approxinfinity yes

SEC chants are tacky

@BeddieKU23 maybe. Feel like team has been ok with Elmarko out there

SEC

@FarmerJayhawk said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:

SEC chants are tacky

made me laugh. But yeah, a bit cheeky.

Kevin’s dad is a former NFL player

@kjayhawks that makes sense!

Hold 'em

Hunter did a lot of the little things very well today along with the stat stuffing

Juan needs passes like he passes

@bskeet said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:

My takeaway from UCF is that our kryptonite continues to be a long athletic team playing zone.

Hunter being in foul trouble killed KU against that zone. Hunter is the perfect guy to beat a zone but he was on the bench too much for KU to be effective at disrupting their zone.

@kjayhawks linebacker

@Texas-Hawk-10 that plus his knee

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:

@bskeet said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:

My takeaway from UCF is that our kryptonite continues to be a long athletic team playing zone.

Hunter being in foul trouble killed KU against that zone. Hunter is the perfect guy to beat a zone but he was on the bench too much for KU to be effective at disrupting their zone.

good point. maybe they don't beat us without that.

UCF isn’t that bad top 100 NET after beating us tho they probably don’t win more that 5 conference games

@Texas-Hawk-10 youve given me a lens to rewatch the game through. That would explain the massive swing

Fb team needs to yell something

just dunk it KJ!

Hunter knows!

Nice comfortable top 10 victory

@bskeet said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:

just dunk it KJ!

Definitely not throw up a floater there - has to take it all the way...

@bskeet he could've gone all the way

Hunter plays well at home

@kjayhawks said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:

UCF isn’t that bad top 100 NET after beating us tho they probably don’t win more that 5 conference games

UCF was top 100 before that game. It was a quad 2 loss for KU which has been rare under Self.

Terrific bounce back game

Perhaps a double-digit win over top 10 team would please the analytics gods?

Top 10 wins are always nice!

Time for my Texans to get payback on Cleveland!!

ROCK CHALK GUYS! 22 straight wins v OU. See ya!

Hope you all stay safe and warm.

We won a game by double digits! Seems like a rare feat this year.

Fun game

HD is a STUD

Better

Unbeatable if we turn it over less than 5 times

@webjay join us more often!

Didn't need Juan's 10 point effort to win for once!!

Now my focus shifts to root for the Chiefs. Is it greedy to hope for 2-0?

@RockChalkinTexas 8 assists 0 TO's

A&M pushing UK.

@bskeet Any Miami fans here

Let’s go Aggies!!

Self let Elmarko in last 5 mins of the game, hopefully it will boost his confidence.

New Mexico crushing SAN Diego state by 20

I think Juan looked better over all had 8 assists today without any silly TOs. I’m still a little concerned with his shooting, was 3/10 today 3 misses were layups one uncontested. He’s shooting at 32% in conference play. I think he can be a solid 10-10 type of guy if we start hitting some of these open 3s and he gets a few more shots to drop.

Good game all things considered. Only two turnovers. Hunter and Kevin both playing hurt. KJ played 40 minutes so he was a bit gassed at times which showed when he missed a dunk (only 5-14 from the field overall). TOUGHNESS WAS SHOWN.

@BShark ya I honestly think we should have subbed out a few guys the last 2 minutes.

Uk in OT with A&M

I'll take Juan's play today any time - -more to the game then just scoring- -I'll take 8 assists ZERO turnovers------ 3 steals and seven points- - I'll take that

SEC officials are jobbing the game in new and creative ways.

This sequence for the refs… WOOF

I don't want to ever hear a Kentucky fan complain about the calls not going their way. Potentially gifted 6 points in a 5 point game in OT

I'll also take a team that goes 94 % from the line - -- - 7 seals - - 7 blocks -- & TWO turnovers

@FarmerJayhawk said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:

Terrific bounce back game

^^^^^^^

100%

@bskeet said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:

I don't want to ever hear a Kentucky fan complain about the calls not going their way. Potentially gifted 6 points in a 5 point game in OT

not to worry as hard as the refs tried - -A & M till beats them

KJ and Juan both played 40 minutes, must be gassed.

@AsadZ yep that’s probably the stat I’m most disappointed with especially with a 16 point lead with 3 minutes to go.

@AsadZ said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:

KJ and Juan both played 40 minutes, must be gassed.

And, Kev played 39 - only reason he was out the minute was because of the banged knee.

That's not sustainable. Rather than Elmarko giving Juan a blow running the point, even for just a minute or two, he and Furphy just split minutes at the 2 spot.

While Furphy brings more scoring and rebounding to the starting 5, it means we get even less production from the bench - a miserly 4 points.

As was shown in the UCF game, we are in serious trouble if one of the starters is in foul trouble or gets banged up...

@DCHawker UCF was more turnovers and lack of effort after the first 15 minutes.

@AsadZ said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:

Self let Elmarko in last 5 mins of the game, hopefully it will boost his confidence.

Both played 18 minutes with The Furph taking seven shots and Elmarko one.

@BeddieKU23 said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:

@AsadZ

Kev and Remy. I say it's a tie between the 3

Jarrod Haase and Rex Walter’s deserve consideration as well.

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:

@bskeet said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:

@AsadZ said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:

@Texas-Hawk-10 Yea, I forgot about Jeff W, he was a monster

I mean, Rex Walters, Jared Haase... Also candidates, but that was a long time ago.

The original question was best transfer of the Bill Self era and those two are Roy transfers.

Missed that part. Depends on what Hunter does. Remy had the most impact. Kevin has been the best player. Withey was a cornerstone to his team. The rest are pretty average - Graves, Coleman, Moss; to bad - all the mid-major transfers.

The Furph with the El Kabong and Hunter with the Baba Louie

Hate to think how bad this team would be without Hunter. 😬 maybe Zuby or Udeh mature ahead of schedule, but from the looks of them in other uni’s it’s doubtful.

Couldn't watch (cheapskate). Went X-Country skiing instead. Listened in car to some of 2nd half. After a bucket load of TO's last game Bill must have preached ball security and everyone must have been paying attention because 2 TO's for a game is remarkable.

Bench, newsflash, very little production, I think that's gonna be this teams downfall in March. Nice bounce back from HD.

Next game on TV, OSU. Screw ESPN and their putting a top 10 game on ESPN+. They literally have Temple/North Texas on ESPNU and ESPN2 simultaneously right now. I know, we got spoiled seeing every game. Here's an idea. I've paid for ESPN for 20 years. For a few years they had ESPN3, no extra charge. Bring that back for all of us who already pay for ESPN.

@wissox right that was my thinking, I know they pick networks and such before the season but Temple and North Texas probably had no where near the viewership of our game. Looks like a money grab by them.

@kjayhawks said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:

@wissox right that was my thinking, I know they pick networks and such before the season but Temple and North Texas probably had no where near the viewership of our game. Looks like a money grab by them.

ESPN also has a contractual obligation to show a certain number of AAC games. If they bumped that game for KU/OU, then ESPN would be at risk of being in breach of contract with the AAC and ESPN wouldn't want to deal with that kind of lawsuit.

Ha! so much for Elmarko giving Juan a rest huh. insane. still played all 40! (sorry if this has been discussed, i didn't get to read the entire thread).

Just proves what we think, Coach Self DOES NOT think. I'm gonna give us credit for having big brains, and still call it a Self-inflicted flaw.

Soooo happy that our boy Furphy was flying all over the place. Now he needs some sea legs. I can't really complain about his defense too much. He got beat a few times, but he was putting in the effort.

Stat of the game: TWO TURNOVERS!!!!! remarkable.

Not so great stat of the game: 3-15 from deep. How on earth do we keep winning games shooting so poorly from 3? I dunno.

Play of the game: Parker's alley oop slam! I can't believe he got up there and threw it down. Very nice!

Awesome win vs an athletic opponent, or guards that seemed to be athletic.

KU bench players only took 3 shots, making 2 for a combined 4 pt contribution. Clearly, I need to realize this is a team of 5 starters. I don't recall any college team that relied on its starters like this year's team. Anyone else disappointed that KU's second 5 (really the 5th starter and bench) are so weak? I know KU was counting on Morris, but I don't remember a weaker bench for KU.

@stoptheflop KU’s bench somehow outscores WVU’s bench and has nearly identical production to KSU’s. It ranks 318! Wretched. The starters though are a bit better than those other teams.

@rockchalkjayhawk Self didn’t even think to let Elmarko spell Juan and have him run some point early on in the season. Not properly assessing the roster is on him.

Kevin is essentially the backup pg and KJ can bring it up much like draymond so we have options.

Elmarko is so explosive and the only guard that can get to the paint without a ball screen yet he never thought to maybe let him run some at the 1 even after seeing him play while recruiting him.

The ball and chain that is Juan to Self. Juan’s legacy as the point is this year and next when there are no Remy bailouts. Juan’s getting worse and more lackadaisical with the ball and still doesn’t look to score like he should. The offense with two all Americans is thus a top 40-50 offense due to just that. He’s a ball mover I.e he doesn’t attack the paint and can’t break his own man down one on one.

You’ve been warned and many are seeing it for the actual scenario versus the red and blue glasses

@kuballin10 said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:

@rockchalkjayhawk Self didn’t even think to let Elmarko spell Juan and have him run some point early on in the season. Not properly assessing the roster is on him.

Kevin is essentially the backup pg and KJ can bring it up much like draymond so we have options.

Elmarko is so explosive and the only guard that can get to the paint without a ball screen yet he never thought to maybe let him run some at the 1 even after seeing him play while recruiting him.

The ball and chain that is Juan to Self. Juan’s legacy as the point is this year and next when there are no Remy bailouts. Juan’s getting worse and more lackadaisical with the ball and still doesn’t look to score like he should. The offense with two all Americans is thus a top 40-50 offense due to just that. He’s a ball mover I.e he doesn’t attack the paint and can’t break his own man down one on one.

You’ve been warned and many are seeing it for the actual scenario versus the red and blue glasses

Do you ever make a basketball post that isn't negative about Dejuan? We all know your opinion about Dejuan and you say basically the same thing in every post about Dejuan

This is why people don't like interacting with you here. You don't add anything new or constructive to conversations, it's almost always something negative about Dejuan. We all know his shortcomings as a player and choose not to harp on them in nearly every post like you.

How about instead of blaming Self for trying to make Elmarko work a position and role that he's not used to playing, we look at why Self decided that Arterio Morris ended up being his choice for a 2 instead of some of the other options that were reportedly interested in coming here that didn't have the legal baggage Morris had. That's where the real failure of this roster lies, not with Dejuan Harris being the same player he's been his entire career here.

@Texas-Hawk-10 thanks for saying it. I didnt need to be called an anti-american commie for calling someone annoying. Your post stuck to the point. Well done.

@Texas-Hawk-10 Wait a minute....that guy doesn't like Harris? Mom always told me other kids tossed insults because they were so jealous of me! So I thought his comments were because he adores him so much!

@approxinfinity OK, though, to be an American commie. I saw Oppenheimer.

I think Furphy being ready for the starting lineup does two big things. It takes even more pressure off Harris to be the 4th scorer. The last two seasons show that if Juan is your 5th guy your good because the 4th guy gets a decent amount of looks and can weather when Harris has his games where he isn't going to score. Furphy's skillet is very important to the lineup because he's a lot different then Jackson.
Pretty much every statistic in less minutes Furphy is better. Elmarko just isn't the answer in the lineup due to Juan.

The 2nd big thing is the spacing that Furphy can provide on offense and rebounding on defense. Furphy gives you another 3 point threat which is the biggest weakness of this team on that side of the ball. Defensively he gives you another rebounder with plus size because outside Hunter and Kev we don't have good rebounders. I think this move pays off and it's what has to happen. Elmarko will hopefully adjust to this new role and find out how he can help

Any problems with Kevin's knee? Seemed to linger the rest of the game. We were playing keep on keeping on all of the first half and OU stayed right with us. At that point I thought they were a very good team.

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:

@kuballin10 said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:

@rockchalkjayhawk Self didn’t even think to let Elmarko spell Juan and have him run some point early on in the season. Not properly assessing the roster is on him.

Kevin is essentially the backup pg and KJ can bring it up much like draymond so we have options.

Elmarko is so explosive and the only guard that can get to the paint without a ball screen yet he never thought to maybe let him run some at the 1 even after seeing him play while recruiting him.

The ball and chain that is Juan to Self. Juan’s legacy as the point is this year and next when there are no Remy bailouts. Juan’s getting worse and more lackadaisical with the ball and still doesn’t look to score like he should. The offense with two all Americans is thus a top 40-50 offense due to just that. He’s a ball mover I.e he doesn’t attack the paint and can’t break his own man down one on one.

You’ve been warned and many are seeing it for the actual scenario versus the red and blue glasses

Do you ever make a basketball post that isn't negative about Dejuan? We all know your opinion about Dejuan and you say basically the same thing in every post about Dejuan

This is why people don't like interacting with you here. You don't add anything new or constructive to conversations, it's almost always something negative about Dejuan. We all know his shortcomings as a player and choose not to harp on them in nearly every post like you.

How about instead of blaming Self for trying to make Elmarko work a position and role that he's not used to playing, we look at why Self decided that Arterio Morris ended up being his choice for a 2 instead of some of the other options that were reportedly interested in coming here that didn't have the legal baggage Morris had. That's where the real failure of this roster lies, not with Dejuan Harris being the same player he's been his entire career here.

Well said

@Zabudda

He's definitely been a bit hobbled since conference play started.

@BeddieKU23 Agree, he also plays loose.

My hope is that he can learn to guard without fouling.

I really hope he puts some muscle mass because he gets robbed on rebounds and 50/50 balls due to lack of muscle power strength.

@AsadZ

We are lucky to have him, he's still super young. Could have been a 24 recruit but we got lucky having a need. Comparable to Svi from a physical standpoint when he came here. An offseason in the weight room and he's going to be a monster here.

Watched the 10 minute highlight video since I couldn't watch the game. Saw some good stuff from Furphy. While listening to Gurley, I heard him say this about Furphy. "OU player (don't remember his name) eyes are wide whenever he sees Johnny guarding him because he knows he can score.

There aren't many starting point guards in the good old US of A who can match DeJuans resume. "Starting point guard, 2022 national championships. I'm sorry that one dude doesn't like him, but he's one my all time favorites. I know he has faults. I love his story.

@BeddieKU23 KJ is a good rebounder.

@COHawk said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:

@BeddieKU23 KJ is a good rebounder.

KJ's still not a good rebounder overall. It's less of an issue this for him though because KU has Dickinson this season. He has a 10% defensive rebounding rate which is extremely below average for a 4. That number is improved so he's getting better, he's still bad at getting rebounds for a player his size.

Definitely made a difference starting Furphy (even though he didn't have his best game). He poses a scoring threat from trey and the rim... that is the most we can ask for putting anyone out there. He is bound to improve as he logs more PT over the season. What he really has to work on his defense, especially off the drive. OU was targeting him.

Furph won't be able to add on the needed muscle to defend this season, but there is other ways he can help himself. He needs to spend time scouting his opponents. Learn their tendencies. And do what he can to hedge better to prevent the blow by.

Also... once he is beat on the drive, he often makes dumb fouls. Instead of doing that... a guy his size with decent hops... he needs to focus on where the ball will release and meet the ball off the shooter's fingers. Doesn't always work, but sometimes he'll earn some sweet blocks and after some of those he'll earn a little cred with opposing teams.

He should stay a Jayhawk for at least 3 years, hopefully 4, and will become a real beast after seasoning and severe strength training.

What a difference a game makes. 2 turnovers?!

We didn't have a stellar game but we won the possession battle, and that counted big.

Our top 4 players have to stay focused. In this game, they focused on less TOs, and we were successful. That's a great sign to see our guys attempt to improve and succeed. Hunter, a shot blocker? 5! He was definitely going after shots like I've not seen him do as a Jayhawk. Good focus, Hunter! KJ continues to collect more rebounds... good focus, KJ! Juan, making less TOs and steadying the ship... good focus, Juan. Kevin... continues to try to do everything, and he did and filled the stat card.

Bench? I've seen enough. We need to bring Zach off his redshirt. What are we really hoping to gain by having him redshirt anyways? Next year will bring many new fruits to this team and you can bet we will continue to add off the portal. I'm doubtful Zach will have anymore meaningful contribution next year over what he could do for us this year.

Zach would give us yet another option off the bench and already has some experience and talent to bring to this team. I feel like this is crucial!

@Texas-Hawk-10 I haven’t seen a post from him in weeks, then remembered I blocked him. Enjoying the boards more.

@StLJhawk said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:

@Texas-Hawk-10 I haven’t seen a post from him in weeks, then remembered I blocked him. Enjoying the boards more.

Great idea! Doink! And....poof he goes!

@Texas-Hawk-10 The roster is set that’s on Self point made and moving on.

Here’s why it’s all about Dejuan. Because he’s been awful this year.

Hunter is as advertised

Kevin has taken the step forward offensively

KJ is a walking double double

EJ and Furph are freshman and aren’t Wiggins I don’t expect them to “pickup” Juan’s slack…just comically bad lack of bball iq people saying “the bench” or these “freshman” need to makeup for it. If Juan averaged 10-12 a game like I’ve said you all would not say this.

When in Kansas basketball history has some not top 10 freshman caught flack for not scoring over the freaking 5th year senior catching no flack???

Braun - way more solid than I thought

This team goes as Juan goes and he’s been atrocious. He can’t beat his man off the dribble and he gets beat odd the dribble constantly. He’s resorted to trying to tap it out from behind cause he can’t stay in front of his man.

If he can’t score or look to shoot he has to generate opportunities it’s for guys which he doesn’t all he does is swing it around the perimeter. Since he can’t shoot he needs to D up.

Last pass first KU point anyone want to compare him to Juan?

Aaron Miles - 9.3 ppg, 7.2 apg, 3.2 t/o pg

Juan - 6.9 ppg, 7.1 apg, 2.6 t/o pg

If Juan played like this nba pass first, d you up, make the other team unable to run their offense while being the attack man on ours….all as Self sold is on then KU would be undefeated.

Meanwhile Juan is been bad and Self claims it’s other guys faults. He’s blinded to his pet

@Texas-Hawk-10 Why do you always dog on KJ? Dude is flat out a stud and attacks all game. He’s never lackadaisical or sloppy he’s balls to the walls 24/7.

U and his rebounding can take that awful view and throw it out the window. We rebound just fine

@wissox Johnny and Juanny aren’t laterally quick so everyone’s mouth waters when they are guarding an opposing player

Least furphy has the cojones to make it rain and let it fly from deep. Oh and he hustled his cojones off which Self is finally seeing

McCollum had 15 at half and ended with 17; who shut him down in the second half? Thought that was a huge difference for us in the second half.

@kuballin10 You don't know how to discuss, you just bully through with your way and none of the rest of us have a clue. Discussion is fine, we do it all the time here and disagree too of course. But you don't know how. The only kudos I'll give you is people frequently get pissed off by what you write and you don't resort to name calling etc, but that's rarely anyone's MO here, which is one reason why we're here.

@COHawk

Good question I'm going back to the film to watch. McCollum is the type that's going go have days like that, very streaky and gets points in bunches.

@COHawk

It's an improving skill of his but I wouldn't call it a strength of his yet. He seems to board in bunches and then disappear at times still, but I'm very encouraged by what I've seen this year as far as growth there. There should be no excuse why he can't get 7-8 a game with his physicality and athleticism. He's averaged 9.5 boards per his last 4 games so this point of emphasis with him is starting to pay off.

@wissox

I haven't seen a noticeable difference between Furphy & Elmarko's defense as far as which freshman gets picked on more when they are in the game. Elmarko gets scored on more but Furphy fouls more and usually in situations where he gets 2 back-to-back where he has to sit after. I think teams do attack both with success in different ways though. I'm optimistic with Furphy's defensive potential down the line due to size and wingspan. His lateral quickness is something that will hopefully come with a full offseason here (he didn't have one coming in). Elmarko should also be a good defender in time once he figures out how to apply his quickness and athletic ability. He's just raw and young.

@BeddieKU23 First half he had numerous open looks and hit many of them; second half very few open looks.

@COHawk

Absolutely I'm still going to go back and see if it was adjustment at halftime as team or individual efforts. Remember him coming off a bunch of high ball screens freely in the first half and don't recall that happening much at all in the 2nd.

Wow. Early in the video you see Juan pass up a wide open layup then get blown by. Incredible https://www.instagram.com/reel/C2IrwoiggbV/?igsh=MTBna292eDhqcG04Ng== ↗

@kuballin10 Calling Harris awful is a stretch and even harsh, guy is playing almost 40 nights in and out.

Has his game regressed a bit, yes, but look at the reasons. He has no backup. He cannot be super aggressive so not to get in foul trouble and he has to conserve energy to play almost 40 every game.

How will we look without him?

@FarmerJayhawk enjoyed, ty

@FarmerJayhawk

Man he needs to sit after that video

https://selloutcrowd.com/oklahoma/2024/01/15/a-sad-moment-in-sooners-history-leaving-allen-fieldhouse-behind/ ↗
Nice reflection on some great memories!

@Crimsonorblue22 That's a nice read. Since they're a school that really only cares about football, I don't think too many of their fans are going to be as nostalgic of it all as Castiglione is being. Going to the SEC, they're going to play before largely indifferent fans, although maybe a border rivalry in basketball develops with Arkansas? Their timing with the advent of the 12 team playoff is impeccable because the path to the 4 team playoff got much harder in their new league.

@AsadZ so is Mccullar and no one is talking about how his play has regressed this year……

Bill could spell him with EJ or Kev at the point.

Juan was never aggressive driving the ball in 2022 when we were loaded he isn’t quick enough to beat his man off the dribble.

The proof is when he drives his body is taking him more towards the corner baseline than towards the goal.

He’s regressed in all aspects this year when he was supposed to step up and improve. That’s the issue and no one here seems to care…..oh the bench needs to score more and we’d be okay.

@kuballin10 Did you just claim that Kevin McCullar has regressed this year?

@Texas-Hawk-10 Nope

Kevin is playing the same number of minutes as Juan and he’s taken his game to a whole other level

So the excuse that Juan’s playing all these minutes he can’t be expected to improve but decline is such a total unfactual garbage take

Juan played a ton of minutes because remy was injured and no one complained then

There’s this love fest with Juan I don’t get. If his last name was tharpe everyone else would be saying how he’s (Juan) has regressed very poorly this year.

Juan isn’t able to shoulder more of the load consistently . He can do it here or there but game in and game out nah. Just need him to be great in the tournament!

@kuballin10 In my humble opinion, KU offense flows much better when Juan is PG.

My issue is with your statement on calling his play as awful. I think it is too harsh and not justified.

You go to war with the army you got, not the army you wish you had. I don’t see the point in bashing Juan. He's a good point guard that is not score first and we would be screwed if he got hit by a bus.

Beyond that, you can wish in one hand and poop in the other and see which one fills up first.

This is why Bill Self is a hall of famer. He works with what he has and doesn’t trash his players and look to next season. He always thinks theres a way to win it all with the current roster and he is always looking for it.

@approxinfinity PHOF!

You make Bill Self sound like Prof Harold Hill: "I always think there's a band, kid."

@mayjay said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:

@approxinfinity PHOF!

You make Bill Self sound like Prof Harold Hill: "I always think there's a band, kid."

Yes, put that in your double bell euphonium and smoke it.

@AsadZ Bill has no other choice unless he’d let EJ play point which won’t happen.

So saying the offense flows better with Juan well yeah we have no clue how it flows without Juan.

Juan is the best pg on the team

For the offense to flow better Juan needs to shoot 4-5 threes a game. Our offense metrics with two All Americans is atrocious for a reason and it’s very easy to spot when watching the games.

@approxinfinity Is it bashing to say a player who is one of the leaders of this team is underperforming?

He’s not playing well that’s evident.

Of course no coach gives up they work with what they have and adjust to try to win a title.

I’m saying the key is Juan and not the bench or some fifth starter stepping up. It’s been juan and always will be Juan that’s why the stat of when he scores like 12 or more we are darn near undefeated…..he’s the key cog and his play is bad.

Did he practice the three all summer to then not shoot during games? Did he get slower on defense because he’s bad 1v1 defensively unlike the title game…go back and watch night and day different.

You guys can hem and haw about all these other people that need to step up (literally this board just says the bench and fifth because everyone else besides Juan has been a stud and as advertised this year).

Eventually you all will see the light that Juan has regressed but if he can start playing better we can make a serious run in March.

@mayjay Wow, fighting fire with great American culture! I like it!!

Originally I was calling for 40 points combined from Hunter and Kevin plus 20 points combined from KJ and Juan and with 15 points combined from the two guard and bench we would win about every game. Now we need 25 from KJ and Juan to win. With Hunter and Kev baby currently being Self's top scoring duo ever we are actually lucky to just need 35 combined from KJ, Juan and the great unwashed. Furphy has already shown he will be aggressive in getting and taking his shots. Of course it will be a pick up the slack if one of the above has an off night. Yup.

@kuballin10 all I hear is you complaining. Benching Juan is fan fiction. Nothing you are saying is compelling me to question anything I know about this team, and then you say “oh you’ll see”. What has EJ shown us that suggests he should start over Juan, and is that your proposed solution here? We are #3 in the country and comparable to other Bill Self teams in near every metric afaik. What exactly is your insightful solution here?

@approxinfinity I’ve never said to bench Juan that’s crazy talk. He’s the starting pg.

I’ve said:
1) shoot the 3 more and attack

2) Play better on ball D

3) shoot the frigging 3 he’s got a good shot

4) Let EJ play point 5-7 minutes a game to spell Juan. He’s looked more comfortable with the ball in his hands

@kuballin10 all of these things are reasonable, the questions they bring up though are:

Why doesnt he shoot the 3 more?

Im sure Self approves of the unguarded 3.

What are the consequences when he doesnt shoot it? Bench him? Are you sure EJ possesses enough of Juans abilities to make benching Juan in a dogfight an option? I dont think so. Is confidence an issue if you start benching him?

I just dont see EJ being anywhere close as effective as Juan at the 1, so you can see hes our dude, and theres a low threshold to where repeatedly complaining about the things he doesn't do just has no actionable soluiton and sounds like complaining and dogging Juan. And prognostications of doom are annoying. Theres nothing else we can do until Elmarko grows and i trust Self to know when that is. He was right with Furphy and every other dude that has grown on this team. We dont get to see practice. Have some faith, however it goes.

@kuballin10 I should qualify that.

VAGUE prognostications of doom are annoying.

But its not new to this board by any means.

I think we should talk about Big Dave.

I was one of the guys who did not hold my tongue when it came to saying "Big Dave Ain't It" his senior season. We talked about Sweet 16 outs, etc.

I was wrong. Bill Self knew things I didn't. Dave Mccormack lived his life and I observed it.

Of course, speculation is what we do. But, let's be creative about it. Maybe there are wrinkles we haven't discussed. Thats where a narrative like "Furphy gives Dajuan another shooter and makes his passfirst approach more comfortable in big games" is a more interesting narrative than "Dajuan needs to shoot!"

It's like a kids soccer game where theres the one parent screaming "shoot it! shoot it! score score score!" when their kid has the ball. It's 1-dimensional.

And I don't want to single you out, so much as discuss the meta of how we talk about our our players.

@kuballin10 said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:

@approxinfinity Is it bashing to say a player who is one of the leaders of this team is underperforming?

He’s not playing well that’s evident.

Of course no coach gives up they work with what they have and adjust to try to win a title.

I’m saying the key is Juan and not the bench or some fifth starter stepping up. It’s been juan and always will be Juan that’s why the stat of when he scores like 12 or more we are darn near undefeated…..he’s the key cog and his play is bad.

Did he practice the three all summer to then not shoot during games? Did he get slower on defense because he’s bad 1v1 defensively unlike the title game…go back and watch night and day different.

You guys can hem and haw about all these other people that need to step up (literally this board just says the bench and fifth because everyone else besides Juan has been a stud and as advertised this year).

Eventually you all will see the light that Juan has regressed but if he can start playing better we can make a serious run in March.

If you watch the games that are played , then you would truly know. You say us people on this board Hem-Haw , dam man there is soooo much more to the value to the game of Basketball then just scoring, it is o multi faceted . If you were to pay attention instead of focusing so much on trying to degrade Juan you would know.- -The people on this board are by far not the only ones that have the same idea as we that are on this board that say how bad we have to have production from the bench, that we have to have that fifth player step up and not just be four core.

Analyst's that follow the game, people that do this for a living , people who have played the game , been around the game, former College players themselves , do you not listen to what they are saying also. They say almost verbatim Seth Greenburg a former College Coach , Jay Bilas, Jay Williams, plus many , many others who I happen to think just maybe , maybe have a little mor insight about the game just maybe might be a little more in tune with what we need.- - They to the man say how they worry about our depth/bench- - how we need that fifth player. I think I would have a tendency to lean a little more on their words then yours.- Sure Juan maybe playing some worse, but even him playing at his peak is still pretty good, STILL league in assists at 7.1 that's a pretty dam good assist ratio, 2nd on the team in Steals behind Kevin , and when he does get beat 9 times out of 10, he still recover and pokes the ball loose from behind.

You on the other hand just seem so infatuated on trying to down grade Juan, you just can't seem to be able to comprehend that there is so much more to a PG then shooting and attacking - a LOT more, Juan is a defense/assist first type Pg. not sure if you have seen many of Juans assists, sure he could shoot or drive but umm he has no problem not doing that and passing of to a team mate who has a better shot. I dunno I think maybe I'll stick with Bill's Coaching his decisions more then your expertise opinion. I mean seems to be working for Bill & the team, you know Bill right ? - -The guy that was the Coach making decisions that help us to what 14 straight titles? The Hall of Fame Coach ? -The Coach of the year how many times ? - -ya that guy, I think he knows what he is doing with Juan. -The Guy that has only lost like 14 games in 20 years in the Phog, he must be doing something right, must be making right decisions - ya thanks I think I'll continue to trust him.

Tell you what you can do though if your not happy with the way he is Coaching or how Juan is playing - - -you can go to his office and relay your dissatisfaction about Juan's play and tell him your thoughts on what Juan so do and how you would play th team I'm sure he would be more then willing to listen to what you have to say that's an idea , looking forward to hear how that turns out. Have a good day buddy it's going to be all right.- - - ROCK CHALK

Harris is going to leave here a Top 5 PG in the Self era, perhaps the best when his career is over (that's still over a year away folks).

He's a National Champion & if he can win another in the next 2 years, he will be in the history books among the rarest of company.

He's won 83% of the games he's started so far in his career. He's got a shot to break the assists record here and will finish somewhere in the Top 10 in steals. He's on track to score over 1,000 points in his career here, not too shabby for someone that's a 4th/5th scoring option.

Above everything else that I've written here take a step back and realize what this kid has been through and appreciate how these young men can overcome such great adversity and make it into a positive. What an inspiration. It's about more than the game. We have a coach that realizes it too.

I like the healthy discourse here. We don't all have to agree about everything and people need to state their opinions and everyone treat each other with a base level of respect. Often, our best posts come from disagreements.

I think many of us don't feel like Juan is having his best year so far. It is possible for a reason or more that none of us know. All we can do is grade his play on the court.

Is there anyone in here that thinks he should shoot less? I'm in the "shoot more" category. More treys. More drives finishing either at the rim or mid-range floaters.

We've read where his teammates and coaches have deplored him to shoot more. I guess Juan needs to feel it before he takes more shots. Maybe we all need to encourage him to work on getting the feeling more!

I'm not going to tell Juan what to do. I'll leave that up to Self. However, I will say sometimes I go nuts when I see Juan or other players turn the corner on their defender and have nice scoring space for a 15-ft jumper or open path to the rim, but they then throw it out to someone on the perimeter and we end up fighting hard for a good shot at the end of the shot clock. Those mid-range shots and rim finishes need to happen for many reasons... we leave points off the scoreboard and teams aren't respecting our driving, so we have fewer wide-open trey shots because teams aren't sagging in.

I have faith in Self to figure out our offensive struggles. We certainly looked sharp at OSU, though a big part of that was OSU played a horrible defensive game.

@drgnslayr That’s all I’m asking is him to hunt his shot especially from 3 more. Defenders don’t even guard him at times unless he comes in the paint

@BeddieKU23 He will have played 6 years so I think there’s a major asterisk by those records.

I’m not sure he’s even a top 10 pg under Self

Dotson
Mason
Graham
Sherron
Chalmers
Tyshawn
Miles
Remy

All guys I’d take over Juan

@kuballin10

If I'm looking for points out of our PG I'm totally with you on taking all those previous PGs over Juan.

But I'm still on board with Self and his desire to have less points from our PG and have him be more the glue guy, assist leader, and defensive specialist.

Normally, Juan leads the team with assists. Not the case against OSU as Kevin far surpassed him. Kind of makes me wonder if it is easier for Kevin to get assists than Juan if he is our big scoring threat off the drive. Are teams double-teaming Kevin to try to limit his drives and then other guys are wide open and Kevin is good at passing out of double-teams to earn assists? That is a question for everyone because I don't have that answer.

I do know when Juan is on his game, he's a guy who creates offense for others. Seems like he is doing less of that, but maybe we need to look less at Juan and look more at how we are running our offense right now. Typically... our offense just doesn't happen on it's own. We are running plays or running schemes with several spinoff varieties that create offense. This is how we create spacing and also predictability on cuts (etc) so we should turn it over less because players are going to predictable places and it is all working well when our timing is on. Maybe this is more of a problem needing resolved by Self and crew.

I will say... many times in our half-court sets we have to work harder and push it to the limit on shot selection at the end of the shot clock. When we trend with this result we are bound to create more TOs and the guy looking worse through this is our "play guy"... Juan.

So when Juan isn't creating assists... he can easily look to be having a bad game, especially if he has several TOs.

I will say this... he was our main "disruptor" against OSU. He was constantly knocking the ball free, getting a steal, or just making enough of a disruption to keep OSU from running any kind of flow. That is a valuable trait!

I am like you and I miss having a PG that puts up more points and is a continual threat to score. Guys like Mason were able to always create his own shot and that came in handy sooo often! On the other hand, one of my favorite Jayhawks, Sherron... was counted on constantly to score and we did not have a good offense and were not really a contender when he ran point.

@kuballin10 by that standard the 2022 title should have an asterisk.

@FarmerJayhawk Not at all. A one year team championship versus an entire individuals career in which he may shatter records guys did in 4 years with 6 years of opportunity….thats not even close to the same

Apples and oranges

@kuballin10 by that same rule Remy never suits up for Kansas. So if we’re going to asterisk for the Covid years in some cases you have to do it for all of them. And Juan won’t have played for 6 years. Not sure where you’re getting that except your arse

@drgnslayr Great post and I appreciate the discussion.

Juan was excellent last night on the defensive end. He constantly turned the other team over.

Where people see that Juan always sets up his teammates I fail to see. He runs the offense and throwing a lob into Hunter who’s pinned his man for a layup isn’t Juan “creating” much.

Juan doesn’t actually create much for others. He doesn’t drive the lane and drop a pass off for a dunk to a big or do what Elmarko did and kick it into the corner for a 3. He gets assists by just quickly rotating the ball in the offense but not really attacking.

He’s his best in the pick and roll where he waits for kj to roll and throws a dime bounce pass for the dunk.

Juan has got to shoot the 3 more and Self has been on him and clearly needs to keep on him. Furphy isn’t going for 15 a game but if he can average 10 and Juan 10 we will be a tough out.

Someone else said it on this board but Juan passing up
Open shots to try and get a better shot often leads to a turnover. Self runs sets so guys have open shots and then when Juan passes on a corner 3 it is insane….shoot the ball u got a great jumper dude!

Juan doesn’t have to score 18-20 a game like Frank but man he needs to hit double figures every single game

@FarmerJayhawk If you can’t distinguish between a guys career being 4 years holding a record and some guy playing 65-75 more games (6 years) and we celebrate breaking that record…I’m not sure how else you will ever grasp it. If Juan broke it in 4 years then heck yeah that shows it but doing it in 6 does nothing for Kansas or the record book and anyone with a brain gets that

Just like Mahomes breaking passing records of Peyton’s with 1 extra game. It doesn’t mean anything unless he did it in 16 games because the timeframe/schedule has changed.

@kuballin10 ok, please name the 6 seasons Juan will have been eligible to play for Kansas.

@FarmerJayhawk geez 5 my bad lol I’m an idiot there

Even at 5 and an extra 30-35 games to break a record that was set in a 4 year period. If that’s some guys “reasoning” for why he’s the best KU pg there is a failing to grasp the reality

@kuballin10 said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:

@drgnslayr That’s all I’m asking is him to hunt his shot especially from 3 more. Defenders don’t even guard him at times unless he comes in the paint

I think part of it is he still has a really lengthy shot process, so he truly does need to be wide open or it will get swatted. I wish he would shoot more as well though.

It's an undeniable statistical fact that he has regressed this year. The huge stylistic shift and heavy minute load could be a factor. I would love to see more of what we saw against OSU, 31 minutes a game. That would let him be able to play with more energy when he is in the game. 40 minutes a game Juan conserving energy has not been great.

@FarmerJayhawk It’s like saying Frank gore leads the Niners all time rb’s in yards

Ain’t no one saying gore is the best Niners rb of all time or even close to Mccaffrey

@kuballin10 said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:

@FarmerJayhawk geez 5 my bad lol I’m an idiot there

Even at 5 and an extra 30-35 games to break a record that was set in a 4 year period. If that’s some guys “reasoning” for why he’s the best KU pg there is a failing to grasp the reality

The covid situation is stupid but like he said it gave us Remy (who always wanted to be here) so we don't have a title without it that year. Though we likely have one in 2020. It's doing very dumb things to record books overall. Especially in football...

@BShark We only saw that cause he got into foul trouble

Lo and behold we were fine without him but only because osu sucks. If it was close and he didn’t have foul trouble he’d played 35-38 like always

Defenders go under every screen with Juan…he can shoot 4-5 uncontested threes a game

@kuballin10 I never said anything to that effect. But it will be eerie how similar Juan and Miles’s stats will end up being.

@BShark said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:

@kuballin10 said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:

@FarmerJayhawk geez 5 my bad lol I’m an idiot there

Even at 5 and an extra 30-35 games to break a record that was set in a 4 year period. If that’s some guys “reasoning” for why he’s the best KU pg there is a failing to grasp the reality

The covid situation is stupid but like he said it gave us Remy (who always wanted to be here) so we don't have a title without it that year. Though we likely have one in 2020. It's doing very dumb things to record books overall. Especially in football...

Yep nobody is saying give Jason Bean an asterisk.

@kuballin10 I know, but it's what I'm hoping for. He can't keep playing 40 minutes.

Things that won't happen that I'd like to see also include Elmarko only subbing for Juan and Bill trusting Nick a little more (he's been okay!).

At least we finally swapped to Furphy starting. I was worried that might take another week or two.

@FarmerJayhawk said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:

@BShark said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:

@kuballin10 said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:

@FarmerJayhawk geez 5 my bad lol I’m an idiot there

Even at 5 and an extra 30-35 games to break a record that was set in a 4 year period. If that’s some guys “reasoning” for why he’s the best KU pg there is a failing to grasp the reality

The covid situation is stupid but like he said it gave us Remy (who always wanted to be here) so we don't have a title without it that year. Though we likely have one in 2020. It's doing very dumb things to record books overall. Especially in football...

Yep nobody is saying give Jason Bean an asterisk.

Saved our season, literally.

I'd love for Juan to be a scoring savant as well as his other great skills but it's not productive to focus on it at this point. He's not becoming the next Ochai/Jalen/Kev at this stage.

We do need his level of play to remain high. I don't think he's consistently played at a high level compared to past years but the season is still young. I think we are seeing signs of him getting there since Conference Play started. This lineup change with Furphy for Elmarko is already making a big difference in a small sample size. You put 4 scorers around Juan like he's had in the past and good things will happen.

Wild take: Juan is the focus of the offense next year and on Wooden Watch!

@kuballin10

You are right... Juan is best in those pick and roll lobs... we haven't seen many of those lately, mostly because it's been scouted so well by everyone. It's probably the first thing they go over when preparing to play us.

I think he used to create more offense. And I'm not sure why he isn't creating as much. Before Hunter played his first game with us he complimented Juan for being the guy he would team up most with... Juan setting him up.

We could build one helluva highlight reel of Juan creating offense... just not so much lately.

I think his new target should be Furph. That one play where Furph fed out to the perimeter then ran out to the perimeter for a catch and shoot was easily one of the best highlights from Stillwater.

@approxinfinity said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:

Wild take: Juan is the focus of the offense next year and on Wooden Watch!

I will laugh so hard when he averages 19 and 7 a game. lol.

I think @BShark is right about the slow release. He tried to shoot vs UCF and got swatted.

I also find it contradictory that @kuballin10 says he doesn't create for others but follows it up with an example of him moving the ball to get someone else an open shot, describes him completing a difficult post entry pass for an easy bucket, and then explains how he creates for others in the pick and roll. Those are all creating for others AND show an attacking mentality.

I didn't watch all of the OSU game but do feel in the last few INCLUDING the loss to UCF Juan has been hunting his shot with a few floaters and drives trying to score.

And like it or not, Juan is a gamer. He rises to the occasion when he's most needed. He single handedly flipped the script in several games on the way to and including the National Championship so he will forever have my respect as a baller. Is he a perfect point guard? No. But no one is.

This team has the tools to win 6 games in March and Juan is one of those tools. He's not a swiss army knife, but he generally does what he's needed to do pretty well.

These Hawks also have the potential to lose in the first or second round. While this is always true, this year especially, this team has some vaulted ceilings. They can look really pretty but are really far from the floor and can be a struggle heat in cool in extreme weather.