Would be pretty dang sweet to leave this place with a W tonight and send whatever we call them people in Manhattan that have been brainwashed beyond repair home crying.

Self can break that team tonight.

I agree with @BeddieKU23 and would add that a final nail in the coffin be a KJ DUNK like EJ in Ames. Put it to the little brother so that the end of the season game means nothing in the way of standings. Never wanted a win so much.

RockChalk

Hunter should dominate in this one with his size advantage. We could struggle guarding Kaluma, he can step out and hit 3s. Must start fast and keep the crowd in check.

After such an enthralling victory Saturday a letdown is an unfortunate possibility. Given we're 1-3 on the road in league play I don't expect it to be easy. This should be a victory, but I certainly thought the same when we played Central Florida Senior Citizen Retirement Home and West Virginia Hillbilly St. They just got thumped at home against Oklahoma St. (did I read that right?) But have some nice home wins like against Baylor especially. Crowd will be jacked as usual, dreaming of storming the court, trying to text their mommas on their flip phones, driving home in their Four Old Rusty Doors cars etc. I don't care if we win by 1 or 50, as long as we win.

I could see a letdown in the fact we won't shoot 70% on the road & will likely have to navigate foul trouble.
This is a very winnable game, K-St is free-falling currently. If we are to believe Saturday wasn't our A++ game then they should be confident coming in. I could see fatigue being a factor, all 5 starters did log 30+ minutes Saturday and we know some are battling at less than 100%. I'm optimistic we'll see what I think is Vintage KU/Self, a big statement win like Saturday leads to further momentum. This is the right time for these guys to step on the gas pedal.

@wissox said in KU vs Octagon of Tang Doom Game Chat.:

After such an enthralling victory Saturday a letdown is an unfortunate possibility. Given we're 1-3 on the road in league play I don't expect it to be easy. This should be a victory, but I certainly thought the same when we played Central Florida Senior Citizen Retirement Home and West Virginia Hillbilly St. They just got thumped at home against Oklahoma St. (did I read that right?) But have some nice home wins like against Baylor especially. Crowd will be jacked as usual, dreaming of storming the court, trying to text their mommas on their flip phones, driving home in their Four Old Rusty Doors cars etc. I don't care if we win by 1 or 50, as long as we win.

Ya a let down looms large after such a big win on Saturday. - -A lot of times seems like we play down to the level of our competition. -We all know they will play way over their heads, and they will have a player just play out of his mind. - -Perry will try to score at least 30 , his shot selection stinks just throws up a lot of trash - -seen it more then once , seen K/State player come down one on three and jack it up -But not tonight. - -Watch for quick whistles on KU too, almost take it to the bank they will try their dankest to get Hunter in foul trouble -him or Kevin will be in foul trouble you can count on it.

@BeddieKU23 I've been to a couple of games at the Octagon of Dumb. I lost several IQ points each time I was there.

But I will say one thing - they have a banner that we don't have (besides the Livestock Judging thing)

"Remember that time we beat KU?"

@wissox I would also propose to call the so-called university in Florida as Harry Mouse U. or Mickey Potter U. or swampland U. even though I like your variation as well.

I hear they have classes such as "How to be the best Disney character you can be."

Fans of both KSU and the Chiefs get two super bowls this week!

@kjayhawks PHOF!!!

@patoh3 Any time I can in more public forums like Twitter I call them Central Florida because they hate that. They want to be known as UCF instead of directional sounding Central Florida.

@wissox said in KU vs Octagon of Tang Doom Game Chat.:

After such an enthralling victory Saturday a letdown is an unfortunate possibility. Given we're 1-3 on the road in league play I don't expect it to be easy. This should be a victory, but I certainly thought the same when we played Central Florida Senior Citizen Retirement Home and West Virginia Hillbilly St. They just got thumped at home against Oklahoma St. (did I read that right?) But have some nice home wins like against Baylor especially. Crowd will be jacked as usual, dreaming of storming the court, trying to text their mommas on their flip phones, driving home in their Four Old Rusty Doors cars etc. I don't care if we win by 1 or 50, as long as we win.

This game is critical if we want to win the conference championship. This is arguably the most winnable of the remaining road games. We're favored. With the remaining road games, it's hard to see even one more win. We need this, one more road win (OU, TTU?), and hopefully hold serve at AFH, which is no sure thing. That gets us to 12-6. Can we get one more road win? I think 13-5 wins this year. Regardless, we simply can't afford to lose another road game to a bottom half conference foe...

If someone showed you a halftime score of 29-17 and made you guess at least one of the teams playing guessing a majority of fans would pick Virginia.

Now that Johnny has become KU's 4th scoring threat, KU can more easily weather an off night by one of the other starters or someone on the bench with fouls. I would still like to see Juan shoot more from 3 and drive to the rim a couple times. I really like when Juan drives to the rim, then lobs to one of the bigs.

@wissox said in KU vs Octagon of Tang Doom Game Chat.:

If someone showed you a halftime score of 29-17 and made you guess at least one of the teams playing guessing a majority of fans would pick Virginia.

Reasonable assumption. So, UVA has 29 pts at half and I know a lot of people will diss that. But, they held a team that averages 81 ppg to 17 in the 1st half and 6 of those came on 2 late 3s. UVA is NOT the most athletic team - far from it - but they are just so fundamentally sound on D. Don't switch everything, but slide through picks to stay with their man. Know how to hedge and quickly drop back. Box out. If you like good defense - I do - worth taking notes...

@DCHawker said in KU vs Octagon of Tang Doom Game Chat.:

@wissox said in KU vs Octagon of Tang Doom Game Chat.:

After such an enthralling victory Saturday a letdown is an unfortunate possibility. Given we're 1-3 on the road in league play I don't expect it to be easy. This should be a victory, but I certainly thought the same when we played Central Florida Senior Citizen Retirement Home and West Virginia Hillbilly St. They just got thumped at home against Oklahoma St. (did I read that right?) But have some nice home wins like against Baylor especially. Crowd will be jacked as usual, dreaming of storming the court, trying to text their mommas on their flip phones, driving home in their Four Old Rusty Doors cars etc. I don't care if we win by 1 or 50, as long as we win.

This game is critical if we want to win the conference championship. This is arguably the most winnable of the remaining road games. We're favored. With the remaining road games, it's hard to see even one more win. We need this, one more road win (OU, TTU?), and hopefully hold serve at AFH, which is no sure thing. That gets us to 12-6. Can we get one more road win? I think 13-5 wins this year. Regardless, we simply can't afford to lose another road game to a bottom half conference foe...

u understandable what you say , and yet it's not like we are the only one's having trouble on the road. - -This league is an absolute blood bath. - I've said this before- - -there are no give me's in this league , you best bring your A game every night or your gonna lose. - -Look at UCF they are like 4-5 in the league - -not sure about you I just didn't think that would happen , and obviously there were some other people that didn't think so either -and they took an L.-- -All the teams on a given night can get beat no matter where your at. - Just got to avoid the let down , I worry about tired legs this Saturday/Monday and our mental state after coming off such a huge win - -not gonna be easy. They better have their heads in the game , can't afford and long scoring droughts.

If you wanna go off stats ere better in almost every area - -think is they are stats - stats don't help during a live game - -in the end I think we pull this out. I WILL say this again watch out for quick whistles against us and either Hunter or Kevin getting in foul trouble early - wew are in the Apple strange things might go on

@DCHawker +100!!

@jayballer67 said in KU vs Octagon of Tang Doom Game Chat.:

@DCHawker said in KU vs Octagon of Tang Doom Game Chat.:

@wissox said in KU vs Octagon of Tang Doom Game Chat.:

After such an enthralling victory Saturday a letdown is an unfortunate possibility. Given we're 1-3 on the road in league play I don't expect it to be easy. This should be a victory, but I certainly thought the same when we played Central Florida Senior Citizen Retirement Home and West Virginia Hillbilly St. They just got thumped at home against Oklahoma St. (did I read that right?) But have some nice home wins like against Baylor especially. Crowd will be jacked as usual, dreaming of storming the court, trying to text their mommas on their flip phones, driving home in their Four Old Rusty Doors cars etc. I don't care if we win by 1 or 50, as long as we win.

This game is critical if we want to win the conference championship. This is arguably the most winnable of the remaining road games. We're favored. With the remaining road games, it's hard to see even one more win. We need this, one more road win (OU, TTU?), and hopefully hold serve at AFH, which is no sure thing. That gets us to 12-6. Can we get one more road win? I think 13-5 wins this year. Regardless, we simply can't afford to lose another road game to a bottom half conference foe...

u understandable what you say , and yet it's not like we are the only one's having trouble on the road. - -This league is an absolute blood bath. - I've said this before- - -there are no give me's in this league , you best bring your A game every night or your gonna lose. - -Look at UCF they are like 4-5 in the league - -not sure about you I just didn't think that would happen , and obviously there were some other people that didn't think so either -and they took an L.-- -All the teams on a given night can get beat no matter where your at. - Just got to avoid the let down , I worry about tired legs this Saturday/Monday and our mental state after coming off such a huge win - -not gonna be easy. They better have their heads in the game , can't afford and long scoring droughts.

If you wanna go off stats ere better in almost every area - -think is they are stats - stats don't help during a live game - -in the end I think we pull this out. I WILL say this again watch out for quick whistles against us and either Hunter or Kevin getting in foul trouble early - wew are in the Apple strange things might go on

Other teams are struggling on the road, but none of the other contenders have a loss in Morgantown or Orlando which could be the difference in the final standings. Tonight is a must win for KU's Big 12 title chances.

If this game ends early can we start early for a change?

Wow. What was that? 60-38

Miami hits 30% from three instead of 10% and they win.

Even in the KU-TCU frigidisaster of 2013, KU managed to score 55 points in the game after only 13 in the first half.

@wissox said in KU vs Octagon of Tang Doom Game Chat.:

If this game ends early can we start early for a change?

Nope - 9:07 (EST) tip...

Have we played @ Kstate in the past 20 years on a weekend afternoon game? It seems like it's always the late game on Monday or Tuesday so the students are at peak abnoxious/drunk by game time.

Looking at standings, not one team in our league currently has more than a two game win streak or a two game loss streak, well except our opponent tonight which has lost 4 straight.

Dead cat bounce game?

@wissox Texas wasn't even ranked 🤦‍♀️

Our managers beat theirs BY A BIG MARGIN....30 or so

Here we go

Great we get the stupid Cubs announcer again.

Avoided 3 straight of Fran I'll take it

Octo-Tang of Dumb?

please please never do the stupid light stuff in AFH

Lol Furphy mania is awesome

Furph is about 3 weeks away from being the big dog on this team

Sweet KJ

Nice And 1 KJ

That little guy going to guard KJ?

Kj with a smooth ft stroke

Not a good start

pretty much KSU's only hope is to shoot about 60% from 3

Wow 3 seconds in the lane and the 5 seconds call.

Haha

Hook and hold?

FOH Bilas

got the whole arm, Bilas

What did Bilas say? I'm listening to radio

The ref who called it was down court

He initially said he thought Hunter was the one who fouled then changed his mind

Flagrant nice

What a crappy start.

espn crew can't even find the right replay

We need the bunnies

we're fine. KSU peaking in the first 5 minutes as usual

Alright

Smooth kev

Greg Gurley "It shouldn't come as a surprise to Kansas fans we're going to face hot 3 point shooters"

wild threes are OK but dunks aren't, Hunter

Wow

This is hilarious. Looks like Jr. High

Jeez that was some fugly plays

stop playing down to their level, guys

Sweet kev

Hunter got hacked on that drive.

Hunt just muscling shots in

I want to see what Pissed off Hunter looks like

Shut them up

This is not high level D1 Bball....

Did you know you can watch Hanni and Gurley broadcast live on Facebook? It's kind of cool.

One of the wildest sequences I've ever seen

Dam finally - - - -a time out

Hunter knows this game matters

Bilas a Wildcat homer I guess.

This game hurts my eyes

Did we trip each other 2x on the same trip down the floor?

Pretty physical right now, both teams looked gassed there.

@wissox It would be except I don't do Facebook

@kjayhawks said in KU vs Octagon of Tang Doom Game Chat.:

Pretty physical right now, both teams looked gassed there.

Jeez, I'm gassed sitting here at home

now start play and in about 10 secs wwe will have another time out

Furph is looking better on D. I don't know what kind of garbage he's guarding, but he's making better switches and picking up all the junk rebounds.

We are getting what we want on offense so I'm happy. Defensively, I think they will settle in. Johnny is moving them feet

Hunter's defense at the top of the key pushing the dribbling guard further out reminds me of Doke

No more Parker braun post ups

Elmarko consistently has bad shots

This is not our strongest lineup... ;)

It's almost like this team doesn't have much of a bench.

Nice take by elmarko. He scares me dribbling, something he will definitely have to improve on

Starters need to get a breather after Saturday. Bench has to respond.

The dichotomy of Marko

@FarmerJayhawk said in KU vs Octagon of Tang Doom Game Chat.:

The dichotomy of Marko

I don't even know what the hell the word means lol

I'm mostly comfortable with Elmarko's dribbling. Shooting is just a train wreck

We're the only top 25 team playing tonight

Who was the backup point guard last year that dribbled off his own foot half the time?

@jayballer67

He has good and his bad

@DanR said in KU vs Octagon of Tang Doom Game Chat.:

Who was the backup point guard last year that dribbled off his own foot half the time?

Bobby or Joseph?

Bobby

@DanR Bobby Pettiford?

Parker

Wow what is that

The ref got in the way and gave it to KState

Thanks ref

Shot clock violation?

Haha omg

foul? WTF

KU must shoot more 3s and maybe make several. Only 4 shots so far

Wonder if that Tangs sister?

just a strange half

Ref show. Not surprised since it's Kissinger

@BeddieKU23 said in KU vs Octagon of Tang Doom Game Chat.:

@jayballer67

He has good and his bad

oh , ok

KSU's 4-8 from three or this is a heap uglier for them

Bailed them out with that cheap foul

Looked floppy

I mean it's K-St so..

Strange line-ups...

I like their new cheerleader.

@patoh3 reminds me of my grandmother, in a nice way

Over the back

Guards just can't get the ball the Hunter in the post. Shoot some 3s.

gotta penetrate guards

Harris has a couple of bad turnovers. We need him to get focused

C’mon just get a rebound

Box out

Too funny

Gurly says they gave the foul to KJ but it should have been on Kev. It gives KJ 2 fouls.

K St really not very good, but we're not either - at least in this game so far. They are out hustling us and beating us on the boards...

I can't think of one damn positive thing to say....

Wow

Mccullar's vision is godawful man kick the ball out

@nuleafjhawk That one cheerleader was kind of cute?

Houston must SUCK

Can we get a call

@wissox if it was any other team I'd agree.

Daring us to make a three.

McCullah is not getting any calls.

We need a Furph3

@wissox said in KU vs Octagon of Tang Doom Game Chat.:

We need a Furph3

yes, we do

We should turn our jerseys inside out. I don't care if K-State beats SASNAK

Strong hands

Dang refs

our point guard needs to be a point guard

there you go Juando

Foul trouble x2

WOOHOO

Our only hope is that K-State out-stupids us

Atta guy juan

4 straight good plays by Juando!

There we go harris

Nice pass Juando! @Zabudda Radio guys keep saying we should ask for a review of KJs 2nd foul because it was wrongly attributed to him

@nuleafjhawk said in KU vs Octagon of Tang Doom Game Chat.:

We should turn our jerseys inside out. I don't care if K-State beats SASNAK

That's great

just like I said these refs going to blow quick whistle on Hunter and KJ or Kevin - - go figure. - - Guley said they needed to look/reviw because KJ's 2nd foul should of went to Kevin

Nice spurt there boys

We are better defensively without Hunter right now, they are dragging him so far out. Need to only switch with guards when is on the floor

K-st basically face guarding Furphy, no help. Also leaving Harris open on purpose. Tang we see you

@jayballer67 You called it earlier.

Refs replay reviewing KJs foul

KJ now 1 foul

bilas thought KJ hooked the stater on the rebound and that was good enough for him

sweet rotation on D

Sit Parker

parker is two left feet tonight

KJ can run the middle.

Unreal

blew a 5 point lead for absolutely no reason

Gonna be a long game with their D. We may find out how good we are.

Kevin's man?

All because Braun fumbles a wide open dunk, up 7 to a tie game smh. He has fumble away too often this year. Toughen up buttercup

Parker really man. Hunter has to sit right now with fouls

do they count a tie as a lead change?

We look tired

Good D

@DanR any tie with these clowns should be considered a slap in the face

D still looks pretty good with Braun though

Fantastic

Ugly

Call a dang foul

Kevin wtf

Kevin was HACKED

Oh my Kevin dunk the ball

What

But at least the lead at half

This team is so embarrassing on the road.

KJ hurt?

Oh no

🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮

Back up

2 pt lead I'll take it considering that crapshoot

Bill has a 5:00 shadow

We can't crack the code.

KU looks more like the Keystone Cops tonight

Game turned on braun's stone hands messing up that pass from Kevin

Turnovers continue to be the Achilles heal

Their length is bothering us some. Keep it moving

@rcjhdraft Definitely could have been better, but he had a couple boards and played solid D after that though.

Defense was decent, rebounding was main issue on that end several second chance buckets

Can lavender be outlawed? It hurts my heart and eyes.

Missing easy shots. Really looking uncoordinated. Kevin!

Team looks fine when Juando is actually running the show on offense instead of Kev. Gotta get some looks for Furph.

All of the starters except Furphy have 7 points.

Furph looking like a frosh. Gotta get him going.

I was this close to jumping on the Furph bandwagon. Until tipoff.

@BeddieKU23 said in KU vs Octagon of Tang Doom Game Chat.:

Turnovers continue to be the Achilles heal

Better when you are shooting 70% not so much at 44%.

@nuleafjhawk jump on, load the wagon

@Crimsonorblue22 I'm not sold

4 of the starters have a +/- of 3 with Harris being 2

When Hunter sits we go stale. Hurt us all year.

Only 1 of KState’s starters has a + +/- and he only played 7 minutes.

@nuleafjhawk It's not like we're still considering him, he's on the team, so the sale has been inked. You want ElMarko out there instead?

@nuleafjhawk I'll be all in if he hits 7 treys in the second half and demoralizes everyone in "lavender".

@DanR said in KU vs Octagon of Tang Doom Game Chat.:

@rcjhdraft Definitely could have been better, but he had a couple boards and played solid D after that though.

were fine, play eh and through all that still up 2 - -just got to settle down a bit --- - 6 turnovers not that bad --- K/Straight has 6 turnovers too - -all in all we good - -play a solid 20 minutes here in the 2nd half shut them the hell up. - -Not sure what their fans are thinking - - signs of we own this state- - my response ? - - IN WHAT ? - -pig sloppin

@DanR EJ has hit as many 3's as Furby

@nuleafjhawk prepare to be disappointed. The number of guys who’ve scored 20+ in a half is pretty small

@FarmerJayhawk I like the hyperbole

Plus they’re guarding furphy pretty close

Coach pregame said Johnny doesn't read all the hype. He just wants to play.

@nuleafjhawk 32 makes for Furph. 10 for EJ for the season. Elmarko is afraid to shoot.

Once again, I don't care if we win by 1, just send all them lavendar clad kitties home crying.

Gotta hit those Furph

Nice job DaJuan

@DanR I was talking about this evening

Happy days are here again.

Here we go. Coach is so good conniving

Whatever bill said it worked

@nuleafjhawk we r leaving u behind, friend

Great start juan!

@Crimsonorblue22 you HAVE to know by now that my smack talk is designed to get them to play harder....

Big to see Kev make some 3s, been struggling a bit in conf play

dam i missed it , was in kitchen how the hell we get up 9 - -we hit a three ?

ESPN box score can't get our fouls right. Besides Hunter, who has 2?

@jayballer67 go back in the kitchen

@stoptheflop Parker?

@nuleafjhawk I know u well! No beige cars!

@Crimsonorblue22 your memory is scary good!

@jayballer67

Yes I think the kitchen thing worked

@Crimsonorblue22 said in KU vs Octagon of Tang Doom Game Chat.:

@nuleafjhawk we r leaving u behind, friend

Just start singing Na na na hey hey hey, goodbye!

@nuleafjhawk you have one of the best avatars also, in addition to your excellent distaste in car paint

@wissox or "Rock Chalk Jayhawk........K...U....."

Hunt missed the baby hook but followed up nicely

Nice box out kj

@StLJhawk Padding his stats!

@DanR Thank you! ?lol

Make up foul

Dammit

F F F F F

that doesn't roll out very often for HD

Just like that 11 points down to 3

miss a couple they make a couple

Tylor Perry is a DUDE

Jesus guys blow an 11 point lead in 1 minute

We do some of the dumbest stuff I've seen

oh no , God forbid we wouldn't want to have a easy game - no way we want that

Ball not going in

Furphy doing freshman stuff but why in gods name is Juan also going under screens smh several freshman IQ plays outta Juan this season on the road.

@FarmerJayhawk Yes! I especially liked him in Diary of a Mad Black Woman

I need to go back to the Kitchen

@kjayhawks Lead isn't blown yet!

I want to see the new Bob Marley One Love movie

IRIE

Gotta capitalize out the timeout. Espn has stats for how good self is. We need one

@jayballer67 I need to go to the bathroom. To puke.

Why's that guy wearing a mouse head?

@kjayhawks now the lead is blown!

Lack of composure here

One of those kind of nights

We suck. Big time suckage.

Well we built that 11 point lead, we can do it again

Somebody take that lid off our basket

7' 2" gets blocked. SMH

KJ!

Another in and out jeez

@nuleafjhawk Ever see him jump?

Come on Hunter. What are we paying you for?

Hunter never makes it now

Ready for K State to do dumb stuff down the stretch

We're really lucky KState is not very good at basketball.

@wissox I once saw him jump high enough to get TWO credit cards under each foot

Not making anything. Ugh

@wissox no lie

LOL

Mccullar needs to get out of his own head about missed layups

@wissox Tang is saying the same thing

Smh

Kev maybe needs to take every other game off

Ha wow

@approxinfinity and complaints to the ref

Mccullar is such an embarrassment on the road

Dude mccullar, hum stairway to heaven or some shit just blank out the inner monologue

there's the big lug we barely know and love

DAMMIT - my kingdom for a bench - -ANY KIND OF BENCH dammit

Kevin needs to wake up here, layups and Freethrows

Guys throwing up a prayer and you foul

@rcjhdraft said in KU vs Octagon of Tang Doom Game Chat.:

Mccullar is such an embarrassment on the road

El Marko right therr with him

That. Lets survive this trap game.

This road on the road is sickening already blew an 16 point lead at central Florida so let’s blow a 11 point in the octagon of dumb.

The longe we scrwe around these bums actually think they deserve to win- - and they just might

Seems like ksu strategy is to chuck it from 3

We came back from 18 or 19 down in the second half in 2022... we're in good shape! Juando, KJ and Jank know the drill

Looks like K-State is keeping someone on Furphy most all the time. Then he misses when open. Keep shooting Furph.

Shoulda been and 1

Now thats good stuff Kev!

And 1

Ugh

Why are we rotating the ball twice for a contested nba three

Dunk the ball KJ!

No thank you to kev bricks

faker

BS

Wtf

If anything dude wrapped his arm around Kevs

Tang whining

Of course

Jesus Christ

Kevin has totally regressed as a passer

@rcjhdraft and shooter tonight

@rcjhdraft

Of late he's shot hunting

Free timeout

He shoved Kevin in the back first

hope that guy is ok with that huge blow to his ego

Drive it downhill

Gonna turn to a tight whistle here

Can't even make a FT

Oh boy

I mean it was down

the one downside of having 24 year old college players is they can't fn jump

Good trap

Needed that

That 3?

Trading in mild mannered John Furphy for The Furphinator

Looked clean

good foul regardless

Ah got him

Foul trouble

I watched this kid in HS last year up here. Ames that is.

Ha dude fouled Furphy 50 feet from the play

JUAN

that was unusual

Great defense!

So many in and outs for us, so many circling crap shots swirling in for them

1-17. Any time now!

Dickinson needs to quit shooting those dam three's

bunnies running wild and free in this game

Adams has 5 missed layups it seems

AIRBALL

Hunters a 42% 3 pt shooter. Doesnt seem broken

High arching airball. 😂

We had to have missed 10 layups tonight

score on this possession. Set up a play for crying out loud.

We have had about 5 chances to increase the lead and haven't done squat

Rebound w/2 hands? What?

The awareness of these guys once they enter the paint is astounding. Furphy is wide open behind KJ and he decides to settle on that midrange pull up

luckily KSU has been crap too

We have zero turnovers this half. If you look at Kevs stat line it would make you wonder why some are criticizing him.

@kjayhawks said in KU vs Octagon of Tang Doom Game Chat.:

We had to have missed 10 layups tonight

AT LEAST

Need a bucket here in the worst way

@wissox said in KU vs Octagon of Tang Doom Game Chat.:

We have zero turnovers this half. If you look at Kevs stat line it would make you wonder why some are criticizing him.

Yeah it’s been such an ugly game the stats won’t tell the story

@wissox missing 3 free throws in a row isn't helping his image

@approxinfinity said in KU vs Octagon of Tang Doom Game Chat.:

Hunters a 42% 3 pt shooter. Doesnt seem broken

well somethings broken cause he ain't making squat from three - - -1 for his last 17

Juan

that's a foul? That's horrible

I have to say this: the KSU fans are very fashion oriented. You don't see a lot of striped overalls in Lawrence.

Not a foul, may be a walk

Joke of a call

What is happening…

whoooboy that's bad

OK ref

First basketball game by that ref, apparently

we always get screwed by foul trouble in this shithole

Furphy..

Refs taking over.

Lol

Sucks

BS calls

Travelled first

4 shit calls in a row.

Wow what a rigged sequence there

Stop sticking your hands in

This is why replay shouldn't be in the last 2 minutes only. Change the rule like other sports where coaches can ask for a review whenever.

Sweep the leg, fellas

We're toast

F○●k

literally 6 poor calls in a row

Juan with another freshman play, I’m sorry but I’m ready for a new PG guys

Self told Oglesby "Terrible call"

Ref’s taking over the game for the kitties.

@wissox which one???

hang in there guys. They will choke

This team's just pathetic on the road

@StLJhawk Yeah, not sure, but Gurley mentioned it while the guy was taking the 3 FTs.

We should fold the program and stick to what we do best - FOOTBALL!

The difference right now is they hit guarded 3s or we foul

I'm ready for a road team- -just liket they said on radio broad cast , if you want to compete for a Championship you can not lose these kind of games on the road - - no excuse

We havent lost yet

These may be the worst refs I have ever seen. Not joking

Why are you negative nellies even watching?

@rcjhdraft said in KU vs Octagon of Tang Doom Game Chat.:

This team's just pathetic on the road

pathetic -we have juniors and Seniors and they play with panic-- no poise what so eve- - just saad

BLame our guys I get, but this whole thing hinged on a missed call when KState threw it out of bounds and refs gave them the ball. HUGE play as they piled up the points ever since.

The refs had a bad 4 minutes and we did nothing on o. Lets do something on O these 4 minutes and we win

@DanR said in KU vs Octagon of Tang Doom Game Chat.:

Why are you negative nellies even watching?

lol ya your right why watch

@DanR If you're feeling good about this game I hope you're a professional motivational speaker.

@nuleafjhawk just a fan

Every timeout they are late breaking

Im feeling good because we are Kansas

Silver lining is that it may be a lesson that when you have a crap team down by 11, you need to BURY them, so refs cannot steal it

@DanR I'm a fan too. And I get ticked when we play stupid.

Smooth

@nuleafjhawk By playing stupid you mean playing KState.

@wissox love it

Just get a few stops and hope the bad calls are over

Punched Johnny

Hm

Nice KJ

Get a stop

Big

And 1

you all are a few too many seconds ahead of me, so I'll watch this on my own time.

That dumbass pg

Yes we are Kansas

Big Time Juan

Exhilerating!

@DanR are you watching on ESPN?

Works like a charm lol

Nice! Just get a few stops

Juan with game changing plays.

I love Juan Harris so much

@kjayhawks you traded him, sorry!

@Crimsonorblue22 lol

No Mari I guess

Hunter keep the ball up!

When he started, no way did I think he would be mentioned in the same sentence with Darnell Valentine.

Good time to turn to jello

Kevin mad talk about a bad game

Kevin mugged again.

KJ got smacked in the face

Bad luck on that tip in. We are scoring for both teams. Which end will we stop scoring on?
Lol

Get a stop, make a shot go home happy. @kjayhawks Kev has 6 assists, 3 steals, 15 points, 4 boards.

Bs

Block out guys.

Sure

@wissox
6-16

Remember me talking about rebounding at the half last 3 buckets off the offensive glass

Furphy just didn't go for it

@webjay Oh boo hoo, he didn't make every shot. We're not even close without his contributions

Better execute.

Now vee dance!

Easy

Silo Tech just parts the sea for the easiest bucket of the night!

Nice dunk kj

You would think their luck would have to run out eventually

If only Kevin made that shot, he could’ve made up for the joke of shooting performance

DAjuan been unbelievable

Thank GOD for KJ

Maybe on that last shot?

Need serious energy here.

Tang is 10-10 in OT games they said on Radio.

No time for pearl clutching. Lets punch these cats in the face. Theyre done.

Would love to see Johnny make something here. Been too quiet

Already let’s blow em out by 15 in OT

Not a good start.

Yeah just a moment late on the o reb.
Good idea

A foul for getting the ball

Stop cutting hunters elbow with your ribs

Furphy time

Just big Juan

Not one player on our team looks confident or looks like they know what they're doing.

@nuleafjhawk i wholeheartedly
Emphatically disagree with your assessment. Stop looking in the mirror

Dunk it

@approxinfinity you're obviously not watching the game

Walked

Lucky

Good god.

Ugh

6-18,

Kevin just don’t shoot anymore or keep shooting lol

Juan has got to lead us there.

@webjay If you're trying to say this is Kev's fault you know little about basketball.

Kevin getting schooled on both ends

That was Kevin's man

just sad

When will Hunter or Kev get a call for all the fouling.

Cmon guys

Gut check time!

Well hell. I just saw an explanation for this. The girl holding the sign that says

WE OWN THIS STATE.

Lol our starters have gone all game and people are dogging them. Ok guys.

Dig deep and win this shit

i may have to stop watching road games in Manhattan. Same story every year: we shoot it poorly, refs screw us, and KSuck makes circus shots to win

2 bench points for KU. 🤬

What a joke call

Garbage. More garbage in the garbage capital

Kevin gonna force another bad shot

Heel didn't touch

Or just step out of bounds first

Horrible call thanks ref

Nope!

Bullcrapp.. This is a hatchet job by the zebras.

We are done now

There is not enough evidence there

Yet another embarrassing loss on the road

8 guys working real hard

So many tough breaks this game

Damn proud of our guys. Working

@kjayhawks we should only play ranked teams

Stii time

Lots of teams would have packed up shop and given up,
But here we are!

Finally

Ridiculous it's only 1+1 at this juncture.

lane violation missed.

Kevin you suck ass no way around it

Clutch FT, Kev

THEY MISSED A LANE VIOLATION. Shame on all you turning on Kevin. Get lost. You're horrible tonight.

Maybe he miss one

McCullar is 1/5 at the line. Bad game for him.

Serving up one shining moment for UCF, WVU and now KSU

Ack

Horrible officiating.

Protect our players 🙏

Lmao

This pathetic all around, officials didn’t brink 5 free ones or miss 5 layups

This team can beat anyone or lose to anyone. Unless we can find some consistency, gonna be a first or second round exit

You can't play all 18 league games at the Phog , this is not a Championship team , you lose to the three worst teams in the league at their place ain't cutting it

The McCullar game.

@wissox lane violation doesn’t miss the shot or the 3 before it.

Interesting to see what Self says about losing all these road games, if anything.

@kjayhawks said in KU vs Octagon of Tang Doom Game Chat.:

This pathetic all around, officials didn’t brink 5 free ones or miss 5 layups

your right they didn't - -you can't keep trying to make excuses for losing, some time they have to stand up and take account for the loss

Pissed away the 1 seed

@bskeet said in KU vs Octagon of Tang Doom Game Chat.:

Horrible officiating.

Crappy play by KU

Tang>Self at this point a very true statement. Getting out coached badly

@wissox said in KU vs Octagon of Tang Doom Game Chat.:

THEY MISSED A LANE VIOLATION. Shame on all you turning on Kevin. Get lost. You're horrible tonight.

At the end of the day, McCullar played like shit tonight and was a very large part of why KU lost tonight.

KU's 3 point shooting was also shit tonight.

Tough game after exerting so much energy against Houston.

On to Baylor.

F KSUcks

Don't blame any one player.

I don’t think this team is as bad as these losses suggest. I’ve watched them and I’m sick of the officiating in some of these.

Not just us. If anyone watched the Purdue /Wisconsin it was also poorly called

@rcjhdraft said in KU vs Octagon of Tang Doom Game Chat.:

Pissed away the 1 seed
Doesn't matter they don't deserve a one seed

Probably end up a 4 seed, squeak by the 13, then lose to the 5 seed

@RockChalkinTexas or the coach!

Full court press the entire 2nd half and we win by 20

@webjay Or basketball 1o1 make a layup and free throw

Lol. All the pearl clutching.

Learn from it and move on

In the tourney, anyone can get hot and anyone can get beat.

@kjayhawks
True. Or do both

@approxinfinity said in KU vs Octagon of Tang Doom Game Chat.:

Lol our starters have gone all game and people are dogging them. Ok guys.

Dig deep and win this shit

Who you expect them to play -- THE BENCH lmao

Just kept KSU ncaa hope alive and prob lost a 1 seed. KSU has better guards than we do by a long ways Nowell embarrassed us last season and Perry this season.

@jayballer67 I expect to root for the guys we have, not the guys we wish we had.

I save my wishes for the offseason.

Kev had a game but ran out of gas.

Honestly felt like every bounce went against us this game. Hell even that Tylor Perry turnover went through KJ's arms near the end of regulation. Brutal loss

Now jealously for KSUs guards? Wow

@jayballer67 said in KU vs Octagon of Tang Doom Game Chat.:

@kjayhawks said in KU vs Octagon of Tang Doom Game Chat.:

This pathetic all around, officials didn’t brink 5 free ones or miss 5 layups

your right they didn't - -you can't keep trying to make excuses for losing, some time they have to stand up and take account for the loss

• lossES

@approxinfinity they are better then ours stats prove it. If we had Nowell last season we may win the tournament

Alright be good kids, gonna sleep it off.

@approxinfinity said in KU vs Octagon of Tang Doom Game Chat.:

Now jealously for KSUs guards? Wow

Sacrilege.

And tang! Just take the lavender too! Suits u!

Jerome Osteen

For the people who wanna get on the people for jumping Ku team - -you can't keep making up excuses , and blame the officiating every time w lose - -All i hear is it's the res - -it's the refs - -no it's NOT that is an easy out - -sooner or later you just have to accept the fact the team played like crap sometimes instead of trying to make excuses every time - they have to stand up and be accountable

Sure the hell didn't hear anyone complaining about the refs when we jumped out to the 11 point led in the 2nd half - -so what happened there? - let me guess it was the refs then too right - -couldn't be piss poor defense and turning the ball over - -right noo way. - whether you want to believe it or not - -this team is not close to a championship team sure the hell not no one seed. - -If they make the sweet 15 - -they will be lucky, 2nd round is about it

@bskeet said in KU vs Octagon of Tang Doom Game Chat.:

I don’t think this team is as bad as these losses suggest. I’ve watched them and I’m sick of the officiating in some of these.

Not just us. If anyone watched the Purdue /Wisconsin it was also poorly called

This team sucks ass in true road games this year. 2-4 in true road games and easily could be 1-5 had Indiana not shit the bed down the stretch. Based on current NET rankings, KU has lost to 11, 67, 83, and 144 and our 2 wins are over the teams currently ranked 103 and 139. KU is now 2-3 overall against the bottom 4 teams in the Big 12 in the NET rankings and 1-3 on the road.

The remaining true road games for KU are against teams currently ranked 1, 15, 32, and 33 in the NET.

Why do we have to keep losing to K-State in the dumbest most painful ways? I swear that game gave me depression.

@kjayhawks said in KU vs Octagon of Tang Doom Game Chat.:

Just kept KSU ncaa hope alive and prob lost a 1 seed. KSU has better guards than we do by a long ways Nowell embarrassed us last season and Perry this season.

KSU isn't making the tournament and KU already didn't have a 1 seed resume.

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in KU vs Octagon of Tang Doom Game Chat.:

@bskeet said in KU vs Octagon of Tang Doom Game Chat.:

I don’t think this team is as bad as these losses suggest. I’ve watched them and I’m sick of the officiating in some of these.

Not just us. If anyone watched the Purdue /Wisconsin it was also poorly called

This team sucks ass in true road games this year. 2-4 in true road games and easily could be 1-5 had Indiana not shit the bed down the stretch. Based on current NET rankings, KU has lost to 11, 67, 83, and 144 and our 2 wins are over the teams currently ranked 103 and 139. KU is now 2-3 overall against the bottom 4 teams in the Big 12 in the NET rankings and 1-3 on the road.

The remaining true road games for KU are against teams currently ranked 1, 15, 32, and 33 in the NET.

Boy there is hope there huh -I agree with you -this team will not do squat if they can't figure out how to play on the road -and soon

@Texas-Hawk-10 if they won the right games I think they did pending on who lost. Right now they have 2 wins vs number 1 seeds. If not for an embarrassing loss in Morgantown and tonight.

Kevin had to have help getting on the bus after missing it 17 times in a row. Lol

@kjayhawks said in KU vs Octagon of Tang Doom Game Chat.:

Kevin had to have help getting on the bus after missing it 17 times in a row. Lol

brutal, lol

I thought this was a post about the state of his knees, then it took a turn.

@approxinfinity trying to lighten my own mood, never acceptable to lose to KSU in my mind. Don’t care if we played with 3 players.

@kjayhawks sure sure, i lighten my mood by virtue signaling about our teams heart. We all have our healing rituals

@kjayhawks said in KU vs Octagon of Tang Doom Game Chat.:

@Texas-Hawk-10 if they won the right games I think they did pending on who lost. Right now they have 2 wins vs number 1 seeds. If not for an embarrassing loss in Morgantown and tonight.

Do you really think this team is winning enough road games this year to get on the 1 line? The NCAA uses the NET rankings as the biggest determining factor in seeding. KU is going to be a 2 or 3 seed this year. The best KU can do now is 3-3 against the bottom feeders of the Big 12 this year. Yes, all the top teams are flawed this year, but KU's flaws are enough to keep them off the one line when you can't beat 3 of the bottom 4 teams in your league on the road. That's what mid pack teams do.

@Texas-Hawk-10 if they win tonight arguably, everyone has bad losses this season. Doesn’t matter now, I honestly think we get bounced first round as a 3 seed. Highlight this when it happens.

@Texas-Hawk-10 if we beat Tech, OU, Baylor, and Houston we’ll be a 1.

I'm not coming down on our guys because it was obvious they were exhausted.

This is a game we might have won if Zach was available.

Come on... Kevin 44 min, KJ 43 min (fouled out)... Johnny tired with 38 and 4 fouls.

This is our season... and the difference between good and great is pulling Zach off redshirt.

What makes you think Zach is so good and where are you putting him?

@kjayhawks said in KU vs Octagon of Tang Doom Game Chat.:

@Texas-Hawk-10 if they win tonight arguably, everyone has bad losses this season. Doesn’t matter now, I honestly think we get bounced first round as a 3 seed. Highlight this when it happens.

Arizona is the only other team in the top 20 of the NET to have a loss against a sub 100 team, so no, not every team have bad losses on par with the WVU loss.

@Crimsonorblue22

He doesn't have to be great... if he can hold his own for 10 minutes a game that might be enough.

We just need another option.

@FarmerJayhawk said in KU vs Octagon of Tang Doom Game Chat.:

@Texas-Hawk-10 if we beat Tech, OU, Baylor, and Houston we’ll be a 1.

Does anyone here seriously believe KU can go 5-0 in those games? Or even have a winning record in those 5 games?

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in KU vs Octagon of Tang Doom Game Chat.:

@FarmerJayhawk said in KU vs Octagon of Tang Doom Game Chat.:

@Texas-Hawk-10 if we beat Tech, OU, Baylor, and Houston we’ll be a 1.

Does anyone here seriously believe KU can go 5-0 in those games? Or even have a winning record in those 5 games?

I sure as hell won’t rule it out.

@FarmerJayhawk said in KU vs Octagon of Tang Doom Game Chat.:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in KU vs Octagon of Tang Doom Game Chat.:

@FarmerJayhawk said in KU vs Octagon of Tang Doom Game Chat.:

@Texas-Hawk-10 if we beat Tech, OU, Baylor, and Houston we’ll be a 1.

Does anyone here seriously believe KU can go 5-0 in those games? Or even have a winning record in those 5 games?

I sure as hell won’t rule it out.

What has this team done this season to make you think they can win the 4 of those games that are on the road?

@Texas-Hawk-10 I sure as hell won’t rule it out.

For serious, we were so, so, so bad tonight and we won’t replicate that again. And those other teams will lose some weird ones too. It’s just too early. My honest opinion is the Big 12 (and really all of college hoops) is pretty bad and making any kind of concrete predictions is foolhardy.

Ugh, this team.

Been away for almost a month, so haven’t had much time to chime in.

First a question…do the refs only go to the monitor in the last two minutes? I didn’t keep track, but seems like they randomly choose when to go. Maddening.

Random thoughts from the last month:

— nice to see Furphy stepping up. Sweet stroke. Not a knock on the freshman, but he has more than a few limitations. Not sure why others are sensing a lottery departure. I’d hope by year two he can learn to be Wilson-esque with his dribble. If he could rebound like Wilson that’d be awesome. Strength will help.

— The sheep lovers sure took us out of our game tonight. Barely any normal things happened on offense. Sloppy and awkward offense. Shocked Self couldn’t fix it.

— McCullar is so bad at the rim (sorry Approx).

— Hunter may have the softest touch I can recall in my KU watching days. I stopped being surprised that his zany shots go in.

— Are teams figuring out how to shut down KJ?

— Hey, if Elmarko can be one good, one bad play, I’d take it. Improvement. He had a nice drive today.

— This is a weird year for Self. I’m not sure how to define it.

— I don’t really watch any other teams play, but I dunno how we will be seeded. I feel like a 1 seed has gone out the window already. 3 or maybe even a 4 seed possible this year?

— Sheep lover fans are an embarrassment.

— I wonder what would have happened if we had played McDowell and not Timbermiss all year.

@FarmerJayhawk said in KU vs Octagon of Tang Doom Game Chat.:

@Texas-Hawk-10 I sure as hell won’t rule it out.

For serious, we were so, so, so bad tonight and we won’t replicate that again. And those other teams will lose some weird ones too. It’s just too early. My honest opinion is the Big 12 (and really all of college hoops) is pretty bad and making any kind of concrete predictions is foolhardy.

We're more than halfway through Big 12 play, it's not early anymore. KU was bad again tonight, and you say KU won't replicate that, but they've replicated that 5 times now and only won one of those games and that was the Indiana game. This team has played like shit on the road this year and that's happened in 5 of their 6 road games. That's not an exception at this point, that's what this team is and the OSU game in Stillwater is the exception.

I got say the loss feels twice as bad this morning Bill Self getting out coached consistently by Tang and KSU. Not a good look for our program and a very dark day for jayhawk nation

Hunter played well especially having two very athletic forwards to contend with and Juan defended and played well also. KJ played well with assists and steals and he will not get a lot of boards against a zone. He shot 50% but missed at least two point blank shots but 13 points isn't poor by any means.
Hunter has made one of his last eighteen threes.
Perry scored 23 after the break on some are you kidding me shots and they hit something like 13 out of 15 from the line to hold us off late.
No bench again and as we know by now no starter can have an off night or else.
Not bad luck just reality.

@Zabudda you could argue that we ended up
With 2 off nights from starters. Kevin missed so many open looks from 3 different areas. Layups, 3s and free throw. Furphy also looked lost most the the game. The difference to me is in the offensive glass, we gave them two or 3 chances too often. That and them making quite a few more 3s than us is the killer on the stat sheet. To be honest if they don’t have 17 turnovers, they win by 20 plus. They were the better team and coach last night again. We will have to get used to KSU being better in basketball because it’s coming very soon.

@kjayhawks

You say the quiet parts out loud.

2 days after last game against a top ten team and riding the starters into OT in the Octotang of Dumb…. Classic Bill! Combat training.

To me, this loss is on two players. The first is obvious. This just wasn't Kev's game. I feel like he owes Juan an apology or something because Juan certainly tried to win that game for us multiple times down the stretch and the team, particularly Kev, just kept letting him down. The free throws are the biggest issue (side note: is there a lane violation on every one of Kev's free throws or is that just me?). But he also blew some lay ups, turned it over in critical moments and maybe most egregiously lost Perry for the dagger three that we were never coming back from. I'm sure he's tired, hurt, playing too many minutes, etc. but he's our super senior, player of the year candidate, and these are the kinds of things that are asked of leaders at KU.

Speaking of player of the year candidates... the second player I blame this loss on is Hunter. That may seem odd considering he had a double double and led the team in scoring on a night we didn't really score the ball that well for stretches. And I've said this elsewhere but it just seems to me that Hunter doesn't COMPETE at the same level of the rest of the team sometimes. He has the skills and the size, but for me, I still question his toughness. Yes, KSU was literally hanging all over him all game and he (and kev) get fouled almost every time they try to score but again, that is what you sign up for when you say you want to lead a Jayhawk team to a championship. The biggest issue to me is the boards. I know he had 10+ but I still feel like when we NEED a board, he's not going to go get one. He collects the ones that come to his admittedly very large area, but I've yet to see him out compete another guy for a big rebound.

Juan and KJ are competing. Their heart is on the floor every game. Furphy was due for an off game and is still just a freshman who joined the team rather late so he gets a pass on this one. He also had a couple of calls go against him and another couple mistakes that are just going to happen to freshmen in a game like that. Kev is trying but maybe too hard. But to me Hunter is just going to get his and it may contribute to a win or might not. To be clear, he's not playing selfishly or anything. He's a good passer and seems to fit in and not demand the ball all the time or anything, but to me, he doesn't make winning plays the way Juan and KJ do.

Still think this team has a chance to get hot and/or lucky in March and make a final four and then who knows what happens but it is clear they are also extremely capable of getting bounced round 1 or 2 and I'm not sure their is much they can do between now and then to make me feel any different.

@benshawks08 I hate the too many minutes argument, Perry led his team to victory averaging the highest minutes in the conference. At point is just as simple as they are tougher and wanted it more.

@kjayhawks Tang didn’t outcoach Bill. The wildcats game plan was to mug KU every time down the court while the refs only called it one way. The leg bar that kid put on KJ when tripping him up was pretty egregious- flagrant 1 type stuff that didn’t get called. If the refs clean up the game coaching could be seen, but that was a rock fight.

@kjayhawks This game had worried me since UCF because that was when it became clear to me that this team doesn't always want it more than the other team. And I knew of ALL the games, this one would be incredibly difficult to want it as much as KSU. I knew KSU would play harder than our guys and that feeling kinda sucked. But here we are. When they want it they can be great so maybe that will be enough for a couple of weekends in March. But those first two games are going to scare me because I'm afraid they'll think they can coast when really what they need to do is grind. I imagine it is driving Self (and Juan) crazy that this team still hasn't figured out how to grind out a win.

@dylans said in KU vs Octagon of Tang Doom Game Chat.:

@kjayhawks Tang didn’t outcoach Bill. The wildcats game plan was to mug KU every time down the court while the refs only called it one way. The leg bar that kid put on KJ when tripping him up was pretty egregious- flagrant 1 type stuff that didn’t get called. If the refs clean up the game coaching could be seen, but that was a rock fight.

I was watching without sound so I didn't hear any of the commentary around the KJ take down or the late review where it looked clear to me Kev got the ole "hook and hold" that was already called a flagrant earlier. Did Bilas talk about it?

@dylans the problem for me is that Tang so far in his KSU career has overachieved for the most part. At this point he is doing more with less than Self as much as it pains me to say. I think they have a great shot at sweeping us this season. I hate saying but it’s factual that is Ochai doesn’t get a steal to be creighton in the round of 32 in 2022 we all want Bill Self gone as our head coach. He underachieves 80% of the time in the postseason. It stinks but it’s a hard truth at this point. The only thing we have is that we get a favorable road in March and make something happen.

@kjayhawks when you are a one seed about every year by overachieving in the regular season it makes it impossible to reach fans unreasonable expectations in the post season. Calling for Bill’s head says more about those crybaby entitled piece of shit fans than it does Self.

@kjayhawks I'm not sure I'd go that far. Certainly not a "hard truth." It is very hard NOT to underachieve when you are a 1 seed EVERY YEAR. I think it might be more accurate that he overachieves in the regular season. There are maybe a handful of coaches in HISTORY that have had more success in March than Bill Self.

And while I had my doubts about this game, I have very few about when they come to the Phog... KU will crush KSU when they come to town.

You can pick one play in almost every championship team's run that could have changed everything.

@dylans @benshawks08 maybe I’m off base but I’m tired of getting embarrassed by KSU and it it’s year 2 of Tang era. If they start getting some better recruits we are in deep trouble IMO. It will ever be acceptable to me regardless of the circumstances to lose to that team. I will never be convinced otherwise right or wrong. Do better period

@kjayhawks Oh I'm in full agreement about needing to beat KSU 2 or 3 times EVERY year. It was just the underachieving in March stuff I don't buy.

@kjayhawks man we’ve won 80% of our games at the octagon of room and Bill has as many titles as anyone in the sport right now.

@Texas-Hawk-10 if we shoot 40/20 and an opponent that physical only gets called for 14 fouls again anyone is royally screwed

@FarmerJayhawk I’m pretty sure we have now lost either 5 of 10 or 5 of 11 in that building. I’m a grumpy a$$hole today for sure, I won’t deny it but being up til 11 when I get up at 4 watching a loss does that to me lol.

These guys are coming off a tough Saturday battle and had no business playing 40+ minutes and we expect a win. I could already see fatigue before halftime.

It was made worse by being at the Kittydome. Of course, they had more energy!

This Kitty team sucks. I'll be surprised if we don't thrash them by 30 in our building.

Beyond just being tired... this team is quickly earning the reputation of not being a road team. Period.

Didn't we in past seasons get beat each time we went to OSU?

Time for a team meeting to set their mark on the season. Schedules are what we have to deal with. No other top 10 team had to play a Saturday/Monday game. I believe that the first 6 minutes of non-stop play exhausted our players more than they would admit. Sloppy, moving too fast, turns, etc. was mentally defeating, because of what they had accomplished last time they were on the court.

I accept that we are where we are and know that we have all been here before in prior seasons. None of us can change one another's mind about whether we are going to be a 1, 2, or 3 seed and what needs to be done to just win as many as they can and show what they got. I may seem as though I am wishy washy, but as a true fan I support each and every effort, no matter how it ends. Sure I am disappointed about last night, but it does not materially affect the way I, as a fan, love my #Jayhawks. Think how blessed we have been and what a whole lot of other teams DREAM of being. One can't lose the fact that life has brought perils all along the way, and the way you deal with adversity shows inner strength. I, recently, have missed a couple chats dealing with some health issues. Really, losing last night is miniscule to what people are going through.

Just my 2 Cents.

RCJH

KState entered 1-1 after a foul in OT.

Anyone who watched the physicality and intensity knows it was not that kind of game.

It simply wasn't called consistently.

Plus, didn't help that the guys were gassed. Bill didn't sub as much as he should have, in retrospect (and appears to have lost some confidence in the bench).

I can't wait for the day we have a scoring PG again. I know everyone loves Juan but the truth is he limits us so much. I just don't see whats so great. He did take a nice charge though. That was one thing I had thought was lacking this year, didn't see many people taking charges like in prior years. KM was good for taking 3-4 per game last year it felt like, maybe he is too big time now?

Praying our next PG is in the mold of a Mason, Graham, Dotson type.

@RockChalkinTexas said in KU vs Octagon of Tang Doom Game Chat.:

I believe that the first 6 minutes of non-stop play exhausted our players more than they would admit.

Yes. More evidence of how the officials were selective throughout the game.

When they finally blew the whistle, it was a traveling call on the perimeter. I was happy, but that was just weird considering all the contact in the previous 6 minutes. It was NOT foul-free.

And don't get me started on how they look closely at Kev's foot on the sideline, but not the KSU players crossing the free-throw lane...

Part II

I really am beginning to feel like the refs have something against Kev. He gets scrutinized unlike others and gets hammered and gets no calls.

This is a fairly recent thing because he was getting calls fairly consistently in the first 10 or so games... If I recall correctly (and haven't looked at the stats to verify), he was going to the line frequently. Now he goes to the line maybe 1 or 2 times a game.

He's still driving and still drawing contact, but not getting calls. What changed?

@RockkChalkk said in KU vs Octagon of Tang Doom Game Chat.:

I can't wait for the day we have a scoring PG again. I know everyone loves Juan but the truth is he limits us so much. I just don't see whats so great. He did take a nice charge though. That was one thing I had thought was lacking this year, didn't see many people taking charges like in prior years. KM was good for taking 3-4 per game last year it felt like, maybe he is too big time now?

Praying our next PG is in the mold of a Mason, Graham, Dotson type.

15/8 with a couple of BIG time steals in key moments. Got a few buckets when we really needed them. Had a few possessions where he stuck to Perry like glue (almost all of that dude's points came after a switch to get Juan off of him). This is what Juan needs to be. He wasn't the problem last night for sure. I'm not going to complain anytime Juan gets more that 6 shots in a game. As long as he's at least that aggressive and keeps up the D and limits his turnovers, he is what we need at point guard with a guy like Hunter etc.

@benshawks08 Juan was great outside of a few plays IMO. I called him out for going under a few screens but was fine with most of it.

@RockkChalkk While I agree I’m ready for a stud scoring pg I will defend DeJuan as he was good last night

15/8 with 3 turnovers in that environment with Kevin, KJ and Furphy all unable to throw it in the ocean was a step up performance when guys were struggling

I always call out DeJuan but last night that L isn’t even close to being on him. Kev was atrocious and needs to heal up. I’d rather lose the big 12 and win the big 12 tourney and go to a final four than Kev pushes to play to win the regular season only to be broken down in March

I thought Juan would carry us to victory down the stretch. It felt that way. He did well and was confident , did not shy away from making big plays.

Running clock walking the ball up the court down 4 with 3 to go rubs me the wrong way. But I like Harris. He is very steady and does a good job of setting his teammates up for success. Not to be undervalued, his defense is fantastic as well.

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@FarmerJayhawk said in KU vs Octagon of Tang Doom Game Chat.:

@Texas-Hawk-10 I sure as hell won’t rule it out.

For serious, we were so, so, so bad tonight and we won’t replicate that again. And those other teams will lose some weird ones too. It’s just too early. My honest opinion is the Big 12 (and really all of college hoops) is pretty bad and making any kind of concrete predictions is foolhardy.

We're more than halfway through Big 12 play, it's not early anymore. KU was bad again tonight, and you say KU won't replicate that, but they've replicated that 5 times now and only won one of those games and that was the Indiana game. This team has played like shit on the road this year and that's happened in 5 of their 6 road games. That's not an exception at this point, that's what this team is and the OSU game in Stillwater is the exception.

Seems to be a spot on assessment. What has traditionally characterized KU teams, esp. during the HCBS era, is winning B12 road games. Not this year. And, losing to bottom half of conference teams.

Perhaps things could change, but as @Texas-Hawk-10 notes, but the evidence indicates we are who we are at this point. There is a real prospect that we could go from preseason #1 to most losses in a season during Self's tenure. No risk of not making the tournament, but unless there is some remarkable turnaround, we won't be close to a #1 seed. More likely a 3-4.

We've shown we can beat anyone, esp. this year as there don't seem to be any dominant teams. But, we've also shown we can be beaten by mediocre teams - and not just on a night when the opponent does something ridiculous. Very thin margin.

Could easily lose a 1st round game to a #13 or 14 seed, but also go on a 3-4 game run...

Not to mention that that tournament-like two day turnaround gets us every time. Doesn't bode well for Madness weekends.

@bskeet Oh man, forgot about the phantom out of bounds call. Radio guys are saying oh wait he wasn't out of bounds, and yet somehow mysteriously the officials can't see what we saw on TV?

@wissox There is no way we should be talking about refs. We just sucked. If we had played well, there would be no mention of bad calls. My opinion...

SCORING GUARD VS PASSING GUARD

I know what half of you are saying... why can't we get both? To some degree... we can. However, if you get a guard who focuses on passing, his scoring will suffer. You're asking him to emphasize two things at the same time.

If Juan would just take most of those wide-open shots, we would all be happy. He's not a bull-nose Frank Mason. But think back, Frank didn't average nearly as high assists.

Juan needs to take all of those wide-open treys. His trey % is good. And then, he also needs to take some of those mid-range floaters again. Or even better, he needs to stop his drive and take a pull-up jump shot.

If he does these two things, he'll be respected more for his shot and guarded closer. Even though it sounds good, like it will free up someone else, if he is guarded closer he might drop his assist numbers a bit.

There is a happy medium to be found... we all just know he has to take what the defense gives!

@nuleafjhawk the refs were terrible for sure but had zero to do with our play. KJ missed a few bunnies, Kevin missed free throws, bunnies and open 3s. Furphy was a freshman on the road. I have very little complaints on Juan and Hunters game.

@nuleafjhawk I know we shouldn't, but when we have a chance to tie the game and they miss a lane violation how can you not say that wasn't a big call? As bad as we played, we still have not benefitted in these losses from a fair whistle. They go together in my mind.

@drgnslayr great post - this is what I’ve been saying all year. Bench sucks the 5th yr sr needs to step up and score more. There’s a reason when he scores double digits we are like 27-2 or something stupid.

I’d rather have a Frank but Juan is more than enough when he looks to score just half the time.

Juan can’t beat his man off the dribble which is why we don’t get many dump offs to Hunter or kj for dunks. Juan does play the pnr great when he’s aggressive to take the 3 and make the defense commit then the next time down he hits kj with that nasty pass for a dunk.

@wissox I didn't say that wasn't a big call. But since the beginning of time, the losing team in any sport has blamed the officiating. Just win. Then there's nothing to complain about.

@wissox I don’t believe Kevin misses because of the lane violation. Just make the free throw and it removes the refs from the equation.

Hate complaining about the refs but we had a lot of bad calls go against us in the late part of the game. It definitely makes a difference, even just on momentum which is a huge thing. The foul on Hunter during the trap that the announcers were saying was a bit of a stretch followed very closely to the out of bounds call where they said Juan touched it but clearly didn't. The lane violation was another. It adds up.

Regarding Juan - if he was more of a scoring threat it would open up the rest of the team. Whether it be on drives or pulling defender out farther on the three point line. Stats are one thing but using the eye test there are many times i'm critical of him. Some bad turnovers. Drives where the shots are nowhere near close to going in off the backboard. Even Mason had his rough years with wild drives and suspect turnovers but he grew tremendously over the years and eliminated much of that. With how many years Juan has been in this role I would have expected a lot of this would be better than it is.

The Jayhawks are not road warriors, more like road tail. If you can’t beat a bad team on the road no matter how bad a few calls are then you won’t go far. They are pushing into giant wuss territory.

The book is pretty well written. They will win all the remaining home games. Win maybe one more on the road. Win two in the big 12 tournament before flaming out. Win 1-3 games in the NCAA with one of the second/fourth games catching them.

Hope an editor comes along and rewrites the script.

Never once in my complaining did I say the refs cost us the game. Calls were made as RockkChalkk pointed out that snowballed eliminating chances to affect a different outcome. Of course, we played like crap. Fatigue? Sure, maybe so. I don't understand what it takes physically to play an NCAA basketball game. I do know that when I was in college I worked as a bricklayer laborer in the summers and would go home after an exhausting hot sweaty day and go to the park for an hour or two for basketball games. Way different but I think sometimes we overuse the fatigue excuse. Remember Wilt played an NBA season in which he averaged 48.5 minutes played per game.

@wissox Wilt, bit of an outlier ;)

No Devonte Graham, Frank Mason run thru a brick wall and keep sprinting types. Hunter could not keep up anyway. It’s a great starting 5, but zero bench production is killer. The team is somehow just as thin as last season.

And Juan has a title....the higher scoring guys he is being wistfully compared to never even got there.

@mayjay Oh boy here we go again with using a team accomplishment to prop up an individual especially Juan

He was saved from being the all time scapegoat with his bad court awareness when he stepped ob

And we’ve been through this a ton the true pg was the guy who produced more against creighton, saved us against providence and again against unc….it isn’t even close

He had an alley oop and two steals to start a comeback and then sat on the bench as remy saved the day

@kuballin10 Starter on a national championship team means nothing to you I guess. Spare us your drivel. It's tiresome. "we've been through this a ton" is something a parent tells a child who doesn't listen very well, stop treating us like children.

Juan had an alley-oop and two steals and Remy saved the day while we ate potato chips.

This Remy vs Juan conversation reminds me of the old Sherron vs RusRob from 2008. Remy was absolutely huge in several games and we certainly don’t win a title without his scoring in the NC. Juando was pretty average that game but did make some plays. The stepping out of bounds was wild and Juan is the most hated player in Kansas history if we lost that one no question. Long story, it’s good to have more that one PG on the team.

Folks if Bill Self had a room temperature IQ and started Remy all year and fired Juan into the sun we go 40-0 every year

@wissox My apologies wasn’t trying to talk down to anyone or come across that way.

It has been discussed on every message board the juan-remy ncaa run that I thought most people understood

Just like Self said it’s who finishes not who starts….and everyone saw that second half especially who finished that Title!

@FarmerJayhawk hahaha

@kjayhawks Agreed….Juan was also a stud against nova along with Och and Big Dave

Remy was quiet that game

@FarmerJayhawk Lol nah Remy whether injured or not didn’t do all the little things right that Juan excels at

Self values some small stuff but when crap hit the fan he played the better player and it paid off

@kuballin10 said in KU vs Octagon of Tang Doom Game Chat.:

@RockkChalkk While I agree I’m ready for a stud scoring pg I will defend DeJuan as he was good last night

15/8 with 3 turnovers in that environment with Kevin, KJ and Furphy all unable to throw it in the ocean was a step up performance when guys were struggling

I always call out DeJuan but last night that L isn’t even close to being on him. Kev was atrocious and needs to heal up. I’d rather lose the big 12 and win the big 12 tourney and go to a final four than Kev pushes to play to win the regular season only to be broken down in March

@wissox - read this drivel on Juan with ksu….maybe it will shock you I can see his good and bad

Per the metrics Juan is around the 6th-7th best pg in the big 12 and honestly that sounds about right

@kuballin10 Remy makes Wilt look like a scrub obvs

No doubt Juan has the better hardware compared to the others. But nobody is really saying they'd rather have him than a first team all american (or second team for Dotson). Right? I love this team and support them like crazy but i'm not just a blind homer. Juan has some big games here and there but reality is that there are also many limitations he has that the team has to overcome to win. He's the best we have though so we have to support him as our guy.

In addition to the stepping out of bounds in the NC, didn't he also get a 10 second call on him as he slowly walked the ball up with no pressure on him?

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