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On the app it's fran and scambi in Spanish 🙋‍♀️

Surprised there wasn’t a game thread either. The just created my very first topic in all my years here!

@StLJhawk Well take it if you want!

Yours has more posts. We can hang here

Bull crap! Late call.

Houston plays the Huggins “can’t call them all” defense

Not a great start

bad sequence for Johnny

Go to ball hard

Not a super great start so far, but hey

Cryer was fouling Johnny on that drive.

Whew, brick city so far

1 of 7 start...

Furph continues the ice cold 3 streak

My game threads suck. We should switch the STl's

Freshman Funk

This could get ugly very fast, their guards are just light years better than ours

Lol, it sure it would help

Typical KU start on the road. -- -Johnny getting roasted on defense

Ha, left off the “not”

Hunter needs to settle in!

We're on a 15 point pace for the entire game.... ;(

How about if we’re down by more than 20 at the half we switch

@StLJhawk said in Cougar chat:

How about if we’re down by more than 20 at the half we switch

Do we want to risk it?!

We just doubled our score, and all by KJ!

This is going to be a long night if Kip keeps calling these cheapies.

@wissox said in Cougar chat:

@StLJhawk said in Cougar chat:

How about if we’re down by more than 20 at the half we switch

Do we want to risk it?!

Not sure it would matter at that point

Refs suck

Crap!

Didn’t know it was football season already

Wow, that's an assault

Hunt WTF not even try to help juan

Oh jeez we finally got a steal, coughed it up and they hit a 3, long day ahead

Yeah Juan should just go back to campus

Idk how KJ gets tackled and it’s not a foul lol

Home Jekyl- - -Road Hyde

Jesus - - -1-11 -& 5 turners

Nuther steal for them, nuther easy bucket

This is all my fault.

Time outs won't help

Didn't we beat this team?

We need to settle down.

how can this team look so dam pathetic on the road.-- Houston may be good - -BUT their NOT that good

They are just better team than we are and by a long ways

It's a good thing we're still warmed by the glow of our 2022 championship.

I had low expectations but did not expect self-immolation.

We are shooting 9%. Woof!

@patoh3 When we shoot.

@jayballer67 said in Cougar chat:

how can this team look so dam pathetic on the road.-- Houston may be good - -BUT their NOT that good

Trolls attribute it to homey KU refs, but can’t for the life of me figure out the real reason

But 100% on FT’s.

@kjayhawks Yes, but that doesn't excuse one basket in 8-1/2 minutes...

@kjayhawks said in Cougar chat:

They are just better team than we are and by a long ways

They sure the hell wasn't in the phog - -Same team - -Same players

This is like Pacific losing 46-2 to Pepperdine the other day and 59-8 at the half.

Anyone read about Self rethinking his approach to coaching after his health scare a YEAR ago in KC Times?
He's not worrying about things he can't control. Like he used to want to know everything before a game, even who the officials were, but now he doesn't.

Hmmm, we are on track to a 20 pt total game game

On track to lose by 40+

@jayballer67 we shot well above average, like Bill says you play 5 games above your ceiling, 5 below and the rest is who you are. Who we aren’t isn’t looking good

@RockChalkinTexas he doesn’t seem to have the same fire in his belly to win for some reason.

Hunt! Hands!

Hunter doesn't just miss that if he's getting pushed in the back.

We made one!!

@FarmerJayhawk Wave the wheat!

In the immortal words of Frank Costanza "SERENITY NOW"

We just don’t seem to operate as a unit the way we used to

Wow, 4 missed bunnies

Uh oh - -here comes the rally we were in with 15

@StLJhawk that’s who this team is, we see it every game

Really? A half court jumper was all we had there?

What a joke

It. Is. So. Over.

Yea

Hang it up guys. We don’t want to play today.

@kjayhawks every game?

Hopefully they will just go home at halftime

No words. Uncharted territory for a fan like me.

Whew we warming up - -3-17 - -for 17 % - looking good

I think I’m going to ahead and turn this one off. We got 1 win in March I think that’s all we will get.

No we don't see this every game.

Out hustled on every ball

They have to play the full 40. Quiet ride home.

Cue up the discussions about how we respond.

@kjayhawks probably not far behind you

@bskeet Was over before the tip….on the road and an actual good team don’t tell me you actually thought we had a chance

They are so much more athletic than us and flat out have athletes who attack and can shoot

Hope you guys took the cougars plus the points today…was free money

Hunter doesn’t even look to shoot the top of the 3 key. He’s neutered at this rate

Level up

Furphy, McCullar, Dickinson are 0/10 combined.

I had low expectations. Maybe make it a game for the first half

@kjayhawks Bill has lost this team….it hasn’t gel’d which anyone with a brain could have seen from a mile away

Get a legit pg like Shead and we will win again

A 4 man who is 6-8 and can shoot would be nice as well

Ahhhh , there you are. So glad to see you, knew you would show up when were losing. - -Dam missed seeing you last game wonder why? - -Oh I know ww won - -that's right

EJ and Timberlake

Man glad Bill’s got those yes men on the bench who are scouting so well

Good thing Elmarko only has a few games left here

Leave Cryer all open by himself.

Might be a loss for the record books, ugh

I keep deleting what I am saying

Hey we can still make double digits by the half!

Can we get to 15 by the half?

Cryer has been NBA Jam on fire against KU since his Baylor days. Just scorches the nets.

@BeddieKU23 said in Cougar chat:

Good thing Elmarko only has a few games left here

2 TOs and an airball in a minute...

It's time to permanently bench elmarko

Can we trade Elmarko early? Lol

9 points at the 5:30 mark

@jayballer67 Oh because if we can’t beat the whiny tangs at home Self should be fired

Double figures!!

Hunter doesn't know touch on passes

We simply cannot get a good look at the basket.

@dylans Can't remember; how did he do in Lawrence when Houston played there?

Dang, that’s hate getting spanked this hard. At least it’s to a good team, but still

@wissox said in Cougar chat:

Double figures!!

It was touch and go there!

@kuballin10 said in Cougar chat:

@jayballer67 Oh because if we can’t beat the whiny tangs at home Self should be fired

you know the only time we see your sorry as show up is when were gettin beat. - NEVER see you show up on wins not a fricken peep. - Amazing

@jayballer67 nothing to talk about when things go well

@jayballer67 said in Cougar chat:

@kuballin10 said in Cougar chat:

@jayballer67 Oh because if we can’t beat the whiny tangs at home Self should be fired

you know the only time we see your sorry as show up is when were gettin beat. - NEVER see you show up on wins not a fricken peep. - Amazing

Haven’t seen a post from him since blocking him in January. It really helps

I blocked him but it looks like he showed up. Just don't answer him please. Let him start his own chat.

Living to be miserable sounds like a blast

Furph had all day on that side me and finally connects

@StLJhawk said in Cougar chat:

@jayballer67 said in Cougar chat:

@kuballin10 said in Cougar chat:

@jayballer67 Oh because if we can’t beat the whiny tangs at home Self should be fired

you know the only time we see your sorry as show up is when were gettin beat. - NEVER see you show up on wins not a fricken peep. - Amazing

Haven’t seen a post from him since blocking him in January. It really helps

just amazing this clown doesn't want to acknowledge this is the same players same team that beat Tennessee-- -Kentucky -- U Conn - - & yes Houston- -not a peep then SURPRISE - -fricken troll

Furphy got hacked and no call!

Furphy gets hacked on the 3

Refs have left the building

Hunters gonna get Td up before this one is over.

Love our fan base complains about the refs when down 20 in the FIRST half

We’ve become ksu and isu fan wise

Level up has destructed us

@StLJhawk said in Cougar chat:

@jayballer67 said in Cougar chat:

@kuballin10 said in Cougar chat:

@jayballer67 Oh because if we can’t beat the whiny tangs at home Self should be fired

you know the only time we see your sorry as show up is when were gettin beat. - NEVER see you show up on wins not a fricken peep. - Amazing

Haven’t seen a post from him since blocking him in January. It really helps

how do you go about blocking this idiot ?- - -Approx banned him once - -why he eve leet him back is the millon dollar question

The last 3 min we matched our scoring output for the first 15

Great game over on the Big Ten Network...

@jayballer67 For you buttercup…can’t live without ya

Radio says Bill is talking a lot to the refs about the no call on Johnnys 3. Demonstrating with his arms what happened on that no call.

@jayballer67 click on his profile, then in the upper right click the 3 dots, then select block user

Only a couple 10-0 runs away from tying this up

@bskeet said in Cougar chat:

The last 3 min we matched our scoring output for the first 15

But gap still widened....

@nuleafjhawk There always are!!

Nice pass… to their guy

Bill's talk helped lol

We can come back.

@wissox Iowa and Michigan women's game. We should study both teams. They look like they know what they're doing. And they seem to care.

FTs keeping us in this.... ;)

@kuballin10 said in Cougar chat:

@jayballer67 For you buttercup…can’t live without ya

TROLL -LMAO

@DCHawker nice one!

@StLJhawk Juan and Kev senior leaders in how to turn it over every game

But Self couldn’t dare replace Juan because “he’s the best true pg in America”

Uh bill ur pg definition is from the 80’s….learn the game brotha

Wow Hunter's FT stroke has abandoned him.

Looks like Houston is physically hammering KU players and getting away with it. That’s part of their defense it appears.

I hope hunter moves on

@wissox furph’s didn’t look too hot either.

Free throws. SMH

Let's try Mari

Well KJ it was a good idea to try also play physical, refs just didn’t like it

KU winning four games in a row is less likely than a portal to another dimension opening in my arse.

@StLJhawk said in Cougar chat:

@jayballer67 click on his profile, then in the upper right click the 3 dots, then select block use

Thanks buddy -got him blocked, don't have to listen to his mizzery anymore - -thanks again

@jayballer67 it really helped the chat for me to do that and didn’t infringe on anybody’s rights

@COHawk said in Cougar chat:

@dylans Can't remember; how did he do in Lawrence when Houston played there?

Kept them in the game single handedly.

6 made baskets in the half...

Please don't run back this garbage next year.

KJs effort has been consistent. And he made his free throws.

Seems strange but the officials helped them to their huge advantage. Not 20 points worth of course, but a missed call on a Furphy 3, heck even on KJ's buzzer beater attempt, and quite a few others might mean we're still within shouting distance.

what you think ? - -I mean let's be real, we might as well take Kevin out rest that knee, not sure if he is playing in Big 12 tourney either. Nothing to gain there other then if we were to win the entire thing. -let him rest for the NCAA's

Think we are pretty well locked as a three- --and yet if we get creamed in this game and 1st round loss in the Big 1 tourney , might drop to a four.

I'd hat to think what it might be without KJ's scoring what he did. - -- Hunter's two points is unacceptable

@dylans said in Cougar chat:

@COHawk said in Cougar chat:

@dylans Can't remember; how did he do in Lawrence when Houston played there?

Kept them in the game single handedly.

Looked it up- Cryer had 24 points. 6-12 from three. He’s always clutch against KU.

The officiating is not egregiously bad. It’s not great— they also missed the foul on the pass to KJ that left him in a heap on the floor.

But the stats won’t lie. I don’t have them in front but we have taken fewer shots, made fewer threes, probably more turnovers and fewer rebounds. Oh and probably 50% free throws.

Lots of room for improvement and plenty of reasons why we are down. .

I just don’t really remember a KU with less effort or energy than this one. Maybe the 2005 team that clearly quit on self

McCullar was 0 for everything other than one foul. No baskets, no rebounds, no assists. At least no TOs... ;)

@bskeet Because I'm in a bad mood IT'S BEEN AWFUL!!!

26.1 % fg% -- 1-10 from 3-- 10 % -- and 10 turnovers is not a good recipe for winning

@wissox I can handle a loss to a better team on the road like Houston but we aren’t even playing hard. One thing Roy used to do when it was that was sub in all the walk-on and less players for a few minutes to send a message to the starters. Something I wish Bill would do.

The portal + NIL essentially creates a mercenary strategy for teams. Keeping teams engaged is even more of a challenge than it used to be.

@bskeet said in Cougar chat:

The portal + NIL essentially creates a mercenary strategy for teams. Keeping teams engaged is even more of a challenge than it used to be.

Certainly a big factor, but Sampson seems to have his guys bought in to digging in on every possession...

@kjayhawks agree. Stumbling and crashing at the end of the season is a discouraging and troubling way to enter the post-season.

At least ISU isn't co conference champions!

@rcjhdraft Guaranteed the 1 and 4 starter spots are already locked in

We will whiff on some big recruits at those spots because of the pets

@kjayhawks was just thinking that too. Let’s see Jank, Evers, Carter, Braun and Cross!

KJ putting in effort, but just doesn't have low post moves...

Is this one of those YMCA games ?

Great news is we've played them even for about the last 10 minutes of game clock.

Ok, that's enough. Someone close the door when you're done!

Good thing Jamari is gone

Yep, hard to watch this

Really stunning that so many of our guys are clueless on D - which has always been a hallmark of HCBS teams - ability to get stops in critical situations. Not this group...

It's hard to think that we would come into this game not more focused then this.I think we just need to play McDowell , Jank , Timberlake , Braun, Jackson the rest of the game

Kj isn't the answer going forward either

Nice fast break

Furphy making the 3

2-7 record on the road - -worst in the Bill Self era

Wow nick.

@BeddieKU23 said in Cougar chat:

Good thing Jamari is gone

I haven't seen or hear that anywhere other then Bshark

Tip your hat to Houston. They are great and they are leaving no doubt.

Anything that can go wrong has been the story of this game

@jayballer67 said in Cougar chat:

@BeddieKU23 said in Cougar chat:

Good thing Jamari is gone

I haven't seen or hear that anywhere other then Bshark

It's happening

@kuballin10 said in Cougar chat:

@rcjhdraft Guaranteed the 1 and 4 starter spots are already locked in

We will whiff on some big recruits at those spots because of the pets

Yeah we aren't winning shit if KJ is starting next season. Not even gonna bother on Harris

It seems pretty bad to go into post-season with so many players aware that they are lame-ducks

you figure we will drop another 3 or 4 spots in the pull. Is there ANYONE here still think we can be a 2 seed ? loll

hoping we're a 4 seed

but maybe it's better to be a 5 or 6 seed.

Furphy's last 4-5 games proves he still has work to do - -needs to come back

@jayballer67 for sure. Right now it's hard to imagine anyone on this team is ready for the NBA

Foul

@bskeet said in Cougar chat:

@jayballer67 for sure. Right now it's hard to imagine anyone on this team is ready for the NBA

He was the only one that's even going to be drafted. - -McCullar not getting drafted -Dickinson sure won't be drafted

Hunter socket out of shoulder

that might be the first back to back buckets for us all game.. 11 min left.

Welp. Not good

Season done

Cougars supposedly have as short bench as we do, but have outscored ours 21-2...

there's a "short bench" and there's no bench

someone with access to stats should compare our season bench points over the past 30 years. I'm going to say this is the least by far.

No Parker

Guards that can easily get into the paint and draw contact - if only....

Is Hunter actually hurt? Just watching in spurts here

@kjayhawks said in Cougar chat:

Is Hunter actually hurt? Just watching in spurts here

You could see that he has a separated shoulder...

I'm going to have to turn off the sound.

What a nightmare

@DCHawker he’s done for the year then

Can't wait for Flory!!!!!

Wow. KU is really bad without Harris. Not that they were good at any point tonight, but the Harris-less lineup is horrendous

Jamari and elmarkos time is over soon. Self is gonna have to figure out recruiting

@dylans said in Cougar chat:

Wow. KU is really bad without Harris. Not that they were good at any point tonight, but the Harris-less lineup is horrendous

Harris wasn't very good either

@rcjhdraft I’d you don’t see it you don’t see it. Not gonna argue.

And Zach will have to be much improved before he sees any playing time

@dylans said in Cougar chat:

@rcjhdraft I’d you don’t see it you don’t see it. Not gonna argue.

He's usually good but I'm not gonna single him out as some shining positive when the whole team played like they were scared

We might not score the rest of the game... ;)

What is the lowest number points we have scored in a game?

Good hustle

EJ

Malik?

Wilhite might be getting minutes next week

So moving forward we may not have Hunter or Kevin….. we are done no questions

See you guys next week.
Don't be angry.
We are spoiled and only want the guys to try.

Some days yeah.
Some days nahh.

RockChalk

Welp, I'm spoiled because I haven't been in a mood like this at the end of the conference season for a couple decades.

@kjayhawks said in Cougar chat:

So moving forward we may not have Hunter or Kevin….. we are done no questions

might be the best thing that could happen for us, the way they played. -You can't make up any excuses when you get boat raced like w have today. can't say the refs cost us the game of a basket here or baket there - there ae NO EXUSES

Just wish we'd gotten a few more FF appearances and Natl Championships when we were racking up all of those conference championships. We got jobbed in the tournament so many of those years.

Bright side: they didn't sweep us!

They got starters in

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Cougar chat:

They got starters in

yep. Cause the lead is only 31 with a 1:31 left

We are giving Houston some great memories for their Senior Day. Just trying to put a positive spin on things. Not fun at our expense, but if the shoe is on the other foot, we would be eating it up just like they are.

Congrats to Houston they were told they would get spanked into conference and they shut everyone up. They are looking like the new big dog in this league. They could return every player on this roster. If that happens we have no chance to win it next season.

@kjayhawks I don't want to give up on next season before this one is done.

This season is enough to crap on.

We don't know what's going to happen between now and then.

Sports writers have to go back to the history books and do a lot of research after this game and this season. When was the last time we scored less than 50 in a game? Last time we lost by 30? Etc. etc.

@bskeet prob true I’ve said it a few times and I’ll say it again. I have never been this down on KU basketball. Idk if it gets better with Juan and Hunt coming back.

It's really hard to wrap your head around for a team to look so different from home to on the road

Make it even sadder, this team was a preseason national title favorite

@bskeet they weren't great when we beat the crap out of them a few weeks ago.

@rcjhdraft If the pg is still here we will have another 6-8 losses and sweet 16 loss at best

@RockChalkinTexas Keep waiting because he won’t pickup the D or O quick enough for Self’s standards and play 5-8 Braun minutes off the bench

@bskeet Nah Bill had the teams tighter than a nut…tough to perform

@kuballin10 Maybe that had something to it. But I don't fully buy it. The seedings were a bit too coincidentally kryptonite matchups. Northern Iowa, Stanford, etc.

@dylans Let me know what u “saw” in that 2022 title run

This team u are seeing this year is Sr Juan running the pg leading the team

To 8 losses and the lowest big 12 finish in 30-40 years

But sure keep riding him cause Bill says he’s the best true pg in the nation

Give me Collins, Mason, Graham, Taylor, Hinrich any day over this passive d2 athleticism and scared to shoot the 3.

Oh but if you surround him with studs he’s great WRONG!!!

He has an all American 5 man and 3 man and he’s still trash 🗑️

The 2022 run would have ended to creighton if not for 1 guy playing the big pg minutes….or providence ….or unc.

Comically bad

@bskeet listing those two unranked teams as a kryptonite is funny and shows plenty about Bill Self tourney teams

I get losing to Wright’s Nova teams as kryptonite but don’t list that crap. Even if we get by those teams we aint winning it all

@kjayhawks Shall we say the league level’d up and KU didn’t….ouch

Wright's teams were legit good and fairly well rounded.

I list those teams as examples because they had the specific characteristics we had struggled with all year... and they promptly lost the next game. They were only good as a spoiler.

Yep clearly the guy with the 6th most tournament wins all time can’t coach in that very tournament

@kuballin10 said in Cougar chat:

@kjayhawks Shall we say the league level’d up and KU didn’t….ouch

I think this is very possible and the sting could be reduced in three weeks if there are 3 or 4 B12 teams in the elite 8.

@kjayhawks Same and I lean solely on the pg because Bill raves about him and doesn’t even look to replace him.

KJ goes hard 100% and I can’t say that about Juan.

If there’s a chance a guy doesn’t start it’s KJ and he’d be a good sport off the bench…..

But somehow our d2 pg is just irreplaceable…..get what u deserve William

@bskeet I think the B12 has a great chance to get multiple teams to the final four. I just wished we was one of them.

@FarmerJayhawk said in Cougar chat:

Yep clearly the guy with the 6th most tournament wins all time can’t coach in that very tournament

Championships >>>total wins without championships

That’s just a longevity deal

Saw since 2000’s for all the 1 seeds we’ve had we only have 2 titles……meanwhile check what Uconn has done

It’s all about titles and I ain’t talking big 12 either

@bskeet Houston will and that’s it I think

@kuballin10 ok fine he’s also way up there in winning % and one of only a few with multiple rings. There’s literally no factual argument he’s a bad tournament coach.

Just heard officially, Hunter had a dislocated shoulder and is done for the year.

@kjayhawks Do we blame the coach who had him in when we were down 20-30 consistently?

Words - we will play for it in March with Mccullar ect

Actions - keeps starters in when down 20 and getting drilled and guys second half get hurt

William has lost it. We repeat the same arguments because of lineups and limitations at pg a bunch of dudes working 9-5 can see but he can’t

This true pg in his mind is “so valuable” that he’s mind fricked on how to improve this team when they offensively and defensively aren’t successful

@kjayhawks dislocated shoulder yes, extent we don’t know yet. Will have an MRI when they get back

I have no urge to run this team back. I’d take KJ back as a bench big solely and Furphy back. The rest of the roster needs a reset. I wouldn’t be mad at Hunter being back as well obviously.

@TYOHawk most of the team will be new

@FarmerJayhawk said in Cougar chat:

@TYOHawk most of the team will be new

I’m praying you’re right my man.

@TYOHawk oh yeah I’d nearly have a stroke if more than 5 returned. It’ll probably be 3-4

@FarmerJayhawk said in Cougar chat:

@TYOHawk oh yeah I’d nearly have a stroke if more than 5 returned. It’ll probably be 3-4

The 3-4 returning is what concerns me aside from Hunter.

Just done watching. That kinda sucked the wind out of my sail.

Maybe even sunk the boat if Dickinson is out for awhile. Dislocated for sure.

A starting line up next season of Harris, McNeely, Furphy, Adams, and Dickinson with a bench rotation of Philon at the 1/2 spots, a portal wing, and Bidunga in the paint is a strong 8 man rotation.

I wouldn't be upset if Clemence got his act together enough this season for Self to keep him as back up because he'd likely a better option than anyone else as a back up big next season.

The issue with the portal for KU this offseason is going to be finding guys that don't mind coming in and being back ups because that's most likely what KU is going to offer kids. This is where you have find kids that fit this make up of the team next season without being significant downgrades because these are mostly going to be mid and low major players that want to fill those roles.

If McNeely ends up elsewhere and if rumors of Scott Drew to Louisville end up being true, Baylor's got a couple players that I'd be working hard to convince to come to Lawrence. Langston Love or Jayden Nunn would be great gets in that situation as both are light out shooters who can play off the ball.

With Harris, Adams, and Dickinson back, the other two starting spots have to go to guys who can stretch the floor to create spacing for Adams and Dickinson to run tge high low properly.

First 30 point conference loss since 2000 and lowest scoring out in conference since 1982. This is quickly becoming not only Bill Selfs worst team but one of the worse 40 or 50 years. Hopefully his seat gets warm this offseason, this is unacceptable.

Not that he should (or even be considered) but KU doesn’t have the money to buy out Self, let alone the cash to find a replacement worth anything.

@FarmerJayhawk can it get any worse? Like I said we disposing 40 year records here

@kjayhawks oh it can definitely get worse. UNC missed the tournament last year. Kentucky got bounced from the NIT not that long ago. Dook finished 13-11 a couple years ago. That this is Bill’s worst year is pretty incredible

@kjayhawks said in Cougar chat:

@FarmerJayhawk can it get any worse? Like I said we disposing 40 year records here

Keep in mind that KU is also dealing with fallout from NCAA punishment that Self basically took the brunt of this season in regards to the scholarship reductions. I'm not sure how the NCAA views the Morris situation in regards to his scholarship counting towards that number this season or not, but now KU has 3 more years to fulfill that punishment of 1 or 2 more scholarship losses for a season. So we play with 12 scholarship players for either 1 or 2 of the next 3 seasons. Self will be able to build depth going forward unlike this season.

@Texas-Hawk-10 Morris’s scholarship counts for this year so we have to give up 1 over the next two years

@kjayhawks said in Cougar chat:

@FarmerJayhawk can it get any worse? Like I said we disposing 40 year records here

Also, our worst season in 20 seasons under Self is going to result in a 3 or 4 seed in the NCAA Tournament.

Since Self has been hired here, this year will likely be only our third 10+ loss season under Self. During that same span of time, Kentucky has lost 10+ games 13 times, including 5 under Calipari. UNC has had 10 seasons of 10+ losses since Roy went home (8 under Roy, 2 under Davis). Duke has also only had 3 10+ loss seasons since the time Self was hired at Kansas. However, all 3 of those programs have missed at least 1 NCAA Tournament in that time frame and Kentucky and UNC have had losing seasons in that time.

How many programs would love to consider a year like this the worst season in 25 years for their school? Hell, KU has only had 5 10+ loss seasons total since we won the 1988 title. Only Duke can make that same claim, but for them, two of those seasons resulted in missing the NCAA Tournament completely and one losing season. It's been over 40 seasons now since KU last had a losing record for a season.

@Texas-Hawk-10 thx! Today was a really bad day for KU fans. But it's much worse for the players, I feel for them and the coaches. I'm glad Kevin came back, but wonder if he'll refuse to play after seeing what happened to Hunter. I can't imagine any KU fan wanting a different coach. We beat some of the best teams this yr, but losing a good player at the beginning really hurt the team in the long run. We'll see how the injuries play out. I never give up hope.

"hopefully his seat gets warm". A national champion coach two years ago. Replace him. Right. Maybe KUBballin10 has two accounts now? Absurd.

@wissox you know they're the ones that give up when we r 10 pts down.

We now wait on the results of Dickinson's MRI to see how much time he'll miss with his dislocated shoulder. Personally, I'd sit him and McCullar for the Big 12 Tournament to give KU its best shot at making any kind of run the NCAA Tournament.

No expert, but if Hunter’s shoulder is what it looked like, that could be a season ender. Hope not!

We may need a new thread about a new starting lineup!

@wissox I think we all can agree this season has been unacceptable for Kansas basketball.

@kjayhawks Lol and I thought I was over the top.

Staff shake up would be nice with some new blood and new ideas on both O and D but u don’t fire HOF just cause he had a down year.

Would be just like Bill to land some stud portal 2 guard and roll with Juan, KJ and Hunt back out there and win a title (like after we got smacked by usc and then came back the next year to win it all). Key is a remy type player and sitting Juan. The portal 2 guard will get unlimited shots and need to create when a play breaks down or shot clock is running out.

If Drew miraculously leaves Baylor man what I’d give to pull Nunn and Langston up here but won’t happen because both wouldn’t start cause neither are “the best pure pg in america” geez he’s so homer blind it’s like a high school kid in love when every friend tells them dude she treats u like trash and isn’t all that but they just can’t see it

@kjayhawks So are you that spoiled that now we have to replace the coach? Where you going to find the next KU coach? Roy Williams had some duds in the late 90's. Were you calling for his head then? Good grief dude, you've gotten to be quite the downer on this board. Not as bad as you know who, but I just can't believe you're putting Self on notice.

@Texas-Hawk-10 if BYU wins aren't we the 6th seed in big 12 tourney?

@kuballin10 at least one, maybe both would start depending on Johnny’s draft decision. Neither are point guards anyway.

@wissox I’m just saying I’m losing faith in his ability to build a roster and he should take some heat for such. Bill Self has never lost more than 10 games in a season as a power 5 coach. Unless we win one of the tournaments that happens this season.

One can point finger at roster buildup but injuries are out of Self's control.

@AsadZ said in Cougar chat:

One can point finger at roster buildup but injuries are out of Self's control.

Roster build up this season was also Self partially taking the brunt of the NCAA sanctions this season.

This roster just wasn't built well at all despite the challenges. They had the chance to build the roster to 11 guys and that didn't happen. We ended up with 9 guys and now it could be reduced to 7 for the rest of the season, the most important stretch. It's really hard to fathom how we got here but it seems to be a bit of karma for decisions made in the past and this past offseason. It is what it is. Take our lumps and hopefully turn the page to a brighter future

@BeddieKU23 are the 2 that left part of your 11? If so it was due to their problems. We were lucky to get Furphy late.

Roster construction is a complicated mess some years, but this year can be explained pretty simply: we lost seven players in the off-season, some unexpected, and then lost arguably the most important piece in Arterio.

That’s it really. We look different with him in the lineup instead of Furphy, Elmarko or Timberlake. Although I still think (as usual) we would struggle a bit from outside!

Sucks, but as Gene Hackman said: my team’s on the floor.

I think the sanctions etc is kind of a cop out. Self is a hall of fame coach but anyone can make mistakes and things sometimes happen out of our control. Self chose to bring in a slow center who is a poor defender. He chose to bring on Morris who had major red flags. Imagine another quality guy instead of Morris. He chose to take on Timberlake over another player. The staff miss evaluated how good Jackson was. They landed Marcus Adams who end up being a head case. Kid transfers out of ku and barely lasts week at Gonzaga. They had a bad offseason and kind of lucked into getting furphy late. Obviously he is amazing at his job and most years gets it right

Mistakes were made in recruiting for sure. I would not include Hunter in that group. He’s a double-double machine.

The sanctions do matter because with 13 you can afford a whiff or two in recruiting. With 11 or 9 or whatever the margin for error decreases by multiples.

We had a confluence of issues - a perfect storm or whatever - yet, we will still be in the tournament (probably a lower seed than we’ve seen in 20 years) and end with a 20+ win season.

It is a sucky year by comparison to the rarified air we are used to, and that reminds me a lot of 88-89 (also post ncaa sanctions)… however unlike that year, Self has likely preserved the NCAA tournament streak.

One other point. All this fear about next year, just stop and reflect a little.

Self has had many years where he’s lost seniors and starters and 80% of the scoring and so on and the following year is not Armageddon. Sometimes it’s been a conference championship. It’s always been an NCAA berth. It’s always been a top 20 team. It’s always been a top 4 seed in the tournament.

The dude literally has created firebeasts from ashes of the previous season multiple times.

He’s a Phoenix maker.

Now maybe this time it will be different. But why preoccupy with what would have to objectively be considered the least likely scenario —- the one that has never happened?

He will rebuild. We will win again. The hawks will rise again.

He is the Phoenix-maker.

I wonder what Self said to Sampson in the handshake line. Sampson looked perplexed as Self walked off.

@Gorilla72 I saw that too

About Hunter I bet. They're friends.

@Crimsonorblue22 - I thought it might be about the player “posing” at the end of the game. You’re probably right. Should have been a foul too.

@Gorilla72 I didn't see that. Self probably wouldn't say anything bad to him, especially since it was a bad loss.