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My brain is scrambled with all this portal movement, so thought I’d create a thread for me at least to track incoming, outgoing and potential lineups.

And I’ll edit (10) as the chaos unfolds!

SPOTS AVAILABLE (13 scholarships used. At limit)

INCOMING (8 so far)

Flory Bidunga, freshman, C

Rakease Passmore, freshman, SG

AJ Storr, via portal, SG, SF -- two years of eligibility left

Zeke Mayo, via portal, G -- one season of eligibility left

Rylan Griffen, via portal, SG, SF -- two seasons of eligibility left

Noah Shelby, via portal, PG. will redshirt as a walk-on -- two seasons of eligibility left

Shakeel Moore, via portal, PG, senior

David Coit, via portal, PG -- Northern Illinois, senior

OUTGOING (5 so far):

Kevin McCullar, SG, SF

Nick Timberlake, SG

Johnny Furphy, SG, SF

Parker Braun, C

Labaron Philon, freshman, PG, CG (decommited)

KINDA LABELED OUTGOING

Riley Kugel, SG, SF — never made it to campus from Florida

RETURNING (6 so far):

Dajuan Harris, PG

Hunter Dickinson, C

KJ Adams, who knows what position!

Elmarko Jackson, PG, SG — Out for season with injury

Jamari McDowell, G, SF

Zach Clemence, C

PORTAL POTENTIAL:

Well, think we are in the clear to get a starting lineup going? (Assuming Kugel doesn’t make it here)

If Self is unchanged…

Dajuan

Griffen

Storr

KJ

Hunter

Bench: Mayo/Elmarko/Bidunga /Passmore

If Self has been cleansed…

Dajuan

Mayo

Griffen

Storr

Hunter

Bench: KJ / Elmarko/Bidunga/Passmore

4 starters are set: Juan Storr KJ Hunter. I would bet on Griffen to be the 5th but Mayo has a shot at it.

I would also bet KJ and Juan’s minutes go waaaay down to under 30. I think you’ll see a ton of Juan Mayo Griffen Storr Hunter especially late in games.

@FarmerJayhawk said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

4 starters are set: Juan Storr KJ Hunter. I would bet on Griffen to be the 5th but Mayo has a shot at it.

I would also bet KJ and Juan’s minutes go waaaay down to under 30. I think you’ll see a ton of Juan Mayo Griffen Storr Hunter especially late in games.

I like Griffen as a starter and Mayo off the bench more. I think KJ starts but his minutes go down. I think Juan's minutes go down too, but not as much as KJ's.

They was talking on podcast like to play small ball 4 out -- - 1 in.

Juan - - -Zeke-- - -Sorr----Griffin- --& Hunter- We are say it with me - --- LOADED, Bill got his shooters - -Athleic

Id like Hunters minutes to go down as well. We need him fresh for the post season.

How do we feel about rebounding next year?

@approxinfinity said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

Id like Hunters minutes to go down as well. We need him fresh for the post season.

Agree 100%. Self confirmed he was playing banged up most of the year this week. That combined with all of his minutes contributed to his regression in shooting. IMO.

Get his minutes down to 27-30 and he will be a much more efficient shooter down the stretch.

We *should have enough depth this year to keep everyone fresh.

It also sounds like Kugel isn’t 100% out right now. He and KU are doing everything they can to make it happen. I don’t think we would be able to add anyone with his potential if he doesn’t make it. So I assume there is some urgency on KU’s part to get it done.

@FarmerJayhawk I’m fine if KJ still starts, I’m beating a dead horse here but a guy that can’t guard, shoot or rebound doesn’t need to be out there for 30 plus minutes a game. An extended Lightfoot type of role playing 15-20 a game max I think will serve us well.

@Gorilla72 said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

How do we feel about rebounding next year?

I, for one, think it would be a great idea. Both in the games...and in our season.

Another post about my grand nephew he was just selected by the Jets in the 5th round. 6'1" 220 rb. Isaiah Davis. Hope he makes it good.

@kjayhawks said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

a guy that can’t guard, shoot or rebound doesn’t need to be out there for 30 plus minutes a game.

He cant shoot the 3 or rebound.

He can guard 1-5 and shoots inside the arc very well.

Just keeping it real.

@approxinfinity he struggles defending taller posts and struggles keeping guards in front of him. The improvement on his shot was very noticeable this past season but a long ways from me saying he is very good at shooting from inside the arc. To each their own brother

@kjayhawks alright, thats fair. I think our assessment of his defense was higher going into the season than at season's end. Hopefully he won't be asked to guard behemoths, and hopefully we won't have to switch everything next year?

@Zabudda said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

Another post about my grand nephew he was just selected by the Jets in the 5th round. 6'1" 220 rb. Isaiah Davis. Hope he makes it good.

Cool. Best of luck!

@approxinfinity said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

and hopefully we won't have to switch everything next year?

Switching everything seems like a regular part of any Self defense now. Maybe in the off-season he can scheme up a way to keep Hunter in the paint?

@rockchalkjayhawk or bend his knees and move his feet🤣

@FarmerJayhawk Any reason why we wouldn’t start our best starting 5 and only finish with it????

There's plenty of precedent for Self starting more experienced players and finishing with someone else. Russ Rob comes to mind but I think there have been others through the years.

Let me quote a Coach Self phrase " Doesn't matter who starts the game "-- Who is out there at the end of the game when it's all on the line.--- Who cares WHO STARTS ! ! !

If Storr rebounds and defends like he did at Wisconsin last year, it will be VERY interesting to see if Self will keep him in the game late over KJ.

@focojayhawk What do you think of Storr coming knowing the Badgers like you do?

If people were frustrated with the defense last season, then I've got some bad news because the defense won't be better next season.

All the transfers Self brought in this season are somewhere between below average to they make Nick Timberlake look good on defense. Griffin was a part of a defense that was sub 100 in Kenpom's defensive ratings. Zeke Mayo couldn’t keep up with Summit League players on defense so that won't be better, and the day AJ Storr puts effort into playing some defense will be the first time in his career.

That's on top of what we already know about Dickinson's defensive abilities.

Elmarko has the tools to be a good defender so hopefully that part of his game starts to come together and McDowell needs to get better on offense so he's playable for longer stretches.

This is why I'll always say that a strong defense is more important than a strong offense. A strong defense with a weak offense will keep you in more games when the offense is off than a team with a strong offense, but weak defense when the offense is off. That said, you have to be really good at both, generally top 15 in Kenpom's offensive and defensive ratings to be a serious title contender. The anomalies in those rankings for title teams are teams that were strong defensively, but not as strong offensively.

Don't forget KJ went in to play D at the end of our National Champ. game, as a frosh. Killed it.

@jayballer67 Players care trust me….

@Texas-Hawk-10 Wanna take any bets this team with this worse defense and better offense goes further than the round of 32 (than the team we just had 2023-2024 that you claim is better on defense)………

@kuballin10 said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

@Texas-Hawk-10 Wanna take any bets this team with this worse defense and better offense goes further than the round of 32 (than the team we just had 2023-2024 that you claim is better on defense)………

Yes, I do think another early flame out next season is more likely than a deep run in the tournament because I believe this defense next season is going to be the worst ranked defense of the Bill Self era which is currently the 2018 team that was 47th in adjusted defensive efficiency.

Since KenPom began in 2002, the teams with a sub 50 adjusted defensive efficiency to reach the Final Four are Marquette in 2003 (109), VCU in 2011 (78), Miami in 2023 (99), and Alabama in 2024 (111). Meanwhile, teams ranked sub 50 in offensive efficiency are LSU (62) and George Mason (66) in 2006, Louisville (112) in 2012, Syracuse (50) in 2016, South Carolina (91) in 2017, Loyola-Chicago (63) in 2018, San Diego St. (75).

So again, I stand by my statement that a team has a better chance to make a deep/Final Four run with a subpar offense than subpar defense because that's what history tells us.

@Texas-Hawk-10 our best defensive lineup would be… dajuan, elmarko/jamari, rylen, kj, flory? Might we preserve a lead with that?

These new guys picked Self and KU for a reason. There's enough depth they're gonna learn to play D or somebody who wants to play will step up and take their place.

@approxinfinity I think it's a lil early to tell yet.

@kuballin10 said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

@jayballer67 Players care trust me….

Those are not very valued words that come from thy mouth Sparky- - -yet your right, I would trust you -- Trust you about as far as I can throw you roflmao

@approxinfinity said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

@Texas-Hawk-10 our best defensive lineup would be… dajuan, elmarko/jamari, rylen, kj, flory? Might we preserve a lead with that?

When the best projected defensive line up still has 2 below average defenders in Jackson and Griffen, that's not something that's instills much confidence this team can get stops when they have to.

@wissox I don't think it's a great fit. There will undoubtedly be some crazy highlights where KU fans will love him. I also think that more often there will be times when Self and fans just shake their heads at shot selection, ball handling and non-existent defense. Storr also totally disappeared in some big moments...especially in March.

Griffen will be okay defensively but it will take time. Alabama didn't even try to play defense but Griffen has the physical tools to do so. I trust Self to get it out of him.

A lot less hope for Zeke and Storr on that end.

Overall defense and rebounding are concerns as of right now.

For more on the Griffen situation consider Dalton Knecht. Different player obviously but graded out as a horrible defender at Northern Colorado. ended up being an okay defender on an elite defensive team in Tennessee. Obviously a lot of variables, especially considering how bad Hunter is on D but still something to think about.

I'm probably agreeing with @kuballin10 here but I'd much rather have offensive talent for Self to figure out the defense with than the other way around. The end of shot clock stuff was SO BRUTAL last year because we had no creators.

@Texas-Hawk-10 same stats can be utilized for teams that win it all or make the final 4 are top offensive teams.

I’ll tell u this we have a better chance of getting to the sweet 16 with this years upcoming roster versus the crap we rolled out there last year (that’s including a healthy Kev).

@kuballin10 said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

@Texas-Hawk-10 same stats can be utilized for teams that win it all or make the final 4 are top offensive teams.

I’ll tell u this we have a better chance of getting to the sweet 16 with this years upcoming roster versus the crap we rolled out there last year (that’s including a healthy Kev).

No fucking shit it takes a good offense AND defense to when a title. Your head is so far up Dan Hurley’s ass right now about his offense that you're ignoring Self over-correcting last year's issues to bring in a bunch of transfers that can't play defense.

You claim Self can make someone like AJ Storr a better defensive player, but still shit all over Harris and Adams defensive abilities when they've been in the system for 4 years now. So based on your own logic, it sounds like Self sucks at developing defensive players, but yet you think he's going to make 3/4 guys who are coming to KU as terrible defenders and suddenly make them play good defense? That logic isn't logicing there on that one.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what round KU loses in because people will continue to whine about another preseason top 5 KU team not winning a title or reaching the Final Four and you'll continue making the same lazy ass posts about Dejuan and KJ all season because there's three things you live for. One is shitting on Dejuan, two is sitting on KJ, and three is worshipping the ground Dan Hurley walks on.

@Texas-Hawk-10 I’m obsessed with Hurley? I see my post you quoted and didn’t mention a thing about him as we are talking about Self. You seem to be the one that he’s gets to you because of what he’s accomplished as you just had two paragraphs bringing his name up.

D2 can’t guard his man one on one but he’s an A team defense guy. KJ is a stud defender in the post and one on one but can’t rebound worth crap (go hang out with Barkley this off-season).

AJ storr is a legit athlete and one I think Bill can teach to defend same for Griffen. Your analyzing these guys defensively on other teams and building up how great Bill is defensively but then claiming how bad this team will be (as if Bill won’t idk maybe be better than their previous coaches on D).

Bill won’t ever change he guards inside out first and plays inside out on O. That’s who he is and he ain’t changing that anytime soon.

@kuballin10 said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

@Texas-Hawk-10 I’m obsessed with Hurley? I see my post you quoted and didn’t mention a thing about him as we are talking about Self. You seem to be the one that he’s gets to you because of what he’s accomplished as you just had two paragraphs bringing his name up.

D2 can’t guard his man one on one but he’s an A team defense guy. KJ is a stud defender in the post and one on one but can’t rebound worth crap (go hang out with Barkley this off-season).

AJ storr is a legit athlete and one I think Bill can teach to defend same for Griffen. Your analyzing these guys defensively on other teams and building up how great Bill is defensively but then claiming how bad this team will be (as if Bill won’t idk maybe be better than their previous coaches on D).

Bill won’t ever change he guards inside out first and plays inside out on O. That’s who he is and he ain’t changing that anytime soon.

Well, you clearly know nothing of my history on this site with KJ Adams if that's what you think I believe about him. FYI, people here got as sick of me calling KJ the worst rebounding big ever as they are of your Dejuan shit. KJ can spend the whole offseason with Barkley and he's still going to be the worst rebounder ever because he has short arms.

I'm also not building up Self as the greatest defensive coach ever either, despite what you think. I said plenty of times last season that the defense sucked ass, especially after McCullar got hurt, and I'm gonna keep saying the defense is gonna be worse next season because Self brought in 4 transfers, if they all come here, who have never played any defense in their lives, or just flat out suck at defense because they're not good athletes.

The worst defensive team of the Self era statistically is the 2018 Final Four team, this team is getting ready to make that team look like the 2008 team on defense.

So guess what, you're gonna as sick of me saying the defense next season is going to be a steaming pile of shit as everyone else is of your Harris takes.

Maybe more of an indictment on college basketball but last year's defense finished 20th on KP. I would agree it had clear problems.

...because there's three things you live for. One is shitting on Dejuan, two is sitting on KJ, and three is worshipping the ground Dan Hurley walks on.

Yeah dude, Juan isn't a toilet and KJ isn't a chair.

Well, one milestone passed with the portal closing. Sounds like two off-season hurdles remain: Kugel and Furphy.

That could end up a straight switcharoo if the chaos continues.

I’m pretty surprised that Clemence is still here. Semi surprised that McDowell remains. And actually more than surprised that Elmarko stayed put.

They must have something on Self and a cheerleader.

@rockchalkjayhawk said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

Well, one milestone passed with the portal closing. Sounds like two off-season hurdles remain: Kugel and Furphy.

That could ended up a straight switcharoo if the chaos continues.

I’m pretty surprised that Clemence is still here. Semi surprised that McDowell remains. And actually more than surprised that Elmarko stayed put.

They must have something on Self and a cheerleader.

Other topics here have indicated the light may have come on for Clemence finally both on and off the court. Elmarko was basically told by KJ's family to nut up or shut up and he chose to nut up amd earn it. Jamari I'm genuinely surprised by unless the plan is to keep him off the ball. Also, I'm sure KU's NIL package played no small part in Elmarko and Jamari's decisions as well as KU is typically near top of college basketball for NIL deals.

@Texas-Hawk-10 I'll have to see Clemence to believe it.

@rockchalkjayhawk I think Elmarko staying makes a lot of sense as long as he is ok with staying for 2 years. Probably getting more NiL at KU than most places, gets to learn under a great coach, and has no current competition for starting PG next year (and if that last point changes, he could always transfer next year)

Defense! Great subject! I earned my keep on defense. "Game plan - within first-minute knee cap your opponent and accept whatever the ref gives you. After that, it's easy money!" From 8th grade, I never played a game without a cup or mouthpiece. lol

It's hard not to listen to @Texas-Hawk-10 being pessimistic about this team. So many apparent weak defensive players and we don't have the post swatter to equalize things. Hunter is maybe the worst footer we've ever had on defense. If the coaches can get a 10% defensive improvement out of him, we will probably win 2 -3 more games during the year.

I think Self overcompensated focusing only on trey shooting stats in the portal. I'm amazed he abandoned his claim to be a defensive-minded coach. At least I get to watch all the McCullar critics crap their britches next year when we don't have him playing monster man.

If ever there was a reason for Self to convert to zone in November... it is this year. Come on, Bill! You proved the critics wrong when you modified your hi-lo and embraced a 4-1 offense.

Anyone want to bet the over/under, us versus opponents free throw totals next year? We need all these guards because we are going to have serious foul issues.

If Self doesn't like my zone idea... how about he builds this team as a pressing team. Mask our weaknesses by trying to exhaust our opponents. Go from running 8 guys to running 11 or 12. There have been a lot of teams that suck at half-court defense but improved their stats by pressing.

I hope Juan isn't played 38+ minutes per game this year. I'm starting to think his exhaustion is cumulative over the years.

I love KJ... but he really needs to toughen up. All those muscles on such a polite player. If he could become an alpha defender, I'd upgrade my current team defense projection up from "sucks" to "respectable." He should be watching Dennis Rodman tape all summer to learn how to rebound and defend.

@drgnslayr i’ll bet dennis rodmans wingspan was a foot larger

Actually i think rodmans was 7’3 and kj’s is about 6’9

@drgnslayr the worse defender ever, dedric Lawson. Drove me nuts.

Funny @dylans
I was hoping Self would adapt that “knee cap” em philosophy with Bidunga. Just bring him in and let him go ape shit for a few minutes. Totally agree with your first few minutes philosophy!

@Crimsonorblue22 Young Perry Ellis just needed a cape and he could’ve been a matador too. (Not Dedrick bad, but sheesh.)

@dylans said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

@Crimsonorblue22 Young Perry Ellis just needed a cape and he could’ve been a matador too. (Not Dedrick bad, but sheesh.)

When was Perry ever a good defender?

@drgnslayr You know who wouldn’t be too arrogant to play zone if it means a title…..?

We will never shoot as many free throws as our opponents because d2 isn’t a downhill straight line driver of the ball. He’s a ball swinger/rotator he doesn’t attack. 4 years of what he’s been that won’t change.

This team will D up better because it has athletes the question is if Bill plays them.

He will play Juan and Hunter two poor defenders and if Clemence the clod hopper gets more run than Flory we will have major issues guarding ball screens again.

Either way offensively we will be extremely difficult to stop which will help us on the defensive side where we don’t have to be perfect but after a few missed shots we can go on a 12-1 run quickly.

@kuballin10 said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

@drgnslayr You know who wouldn’t be too arrogant to play zone if it means a title…..?

Bill Self? Didn’t he do that in portions of both his title runs?!?

@dylans negative ghostrider but good guess….

Bills stubborn he doesn’t change up his core philosophies

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

When was Perry ever a good defender?

Somewhere toward the end of his 9th year here, I think.

@kuballin10 If you have a chance re-watch some KU tournament games with an open mind and in the rare occasion zone is used it’s mostly the 2/3 and once I believe the box-1 thrown was out there. Don’t remember any this year though.

@kuballin10 said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

@dylans negative ghostrider but good guess….

Bills stubborn he doesn’t change up his core philosophies

When Bill trusts his team defensively he employs many types of defenses. I don't think the team last year every got to the point where they could do the easy stuff well enough for him to even attempt to implement anything more sophisticated.

The most notorious example is the triangle and 2. Not sure I've ever seen anyone else run that but it has been a staple late in the year when KU needed to put the kibosh on a couple of guys going off. It won us some key games late in regular seasons to get the big 12 title and was a staple of the 08 team and made a few appearances in each of the final four runs.

Those years he also would drop in a 2/3 zone from time to time as well. I think particularly in 08 there was also a 3/2 with B rush playing at the top of the key.

I do think Self has a bit of rigidity in that he wants guys to earn it playing man to man before letting them play zone. But if it is a big game that matters, he WILL play whatever will give him the best chance to win. But him be willing to play zone or not is more a reflection of his trust in his players to execute the plan rather than of his willingness to be flexible philosophically.

Sometimes coach puts Juan on a hot shooter just to deny him the ball. Juan also has quick hands and a very hi bb IQ.
Last yrs team couldn't be taught any special defenses! I was taught early on if you can't move your feet on man, don't think playing a zone is going to be easier! You don't just stand in an area.

Wow - no transfers out! Other than Philon de-committing.. what a difference from last year..

Current likely depth chart. Positions a bit murky.

PG Harris — Elmarko

SG Storr — Mayo — Passmore — McDowell

SF Griffen — Passmore

PF KJ — Clemence

C Dickinson — Bidunga — Clemence

Main Bench: Mayo — Passmore — Elmarko — Bidunga

I think McDowell likely beats out Passmore for bench minutes unless Self wants to redshirt him.

Well, with Noah Shelby now on the roster, is that it? We done cookin? One scholarship left to offer.

EDIT didn't realize Shelby was a walk-on. keep on cookin, Bill!

Edit to the edit: still unclear officially if Shelby is on scholarship or a walk on

Kansas Jayhawks

Departed or expected to depart: Kevin McCullar Jr. (18.3 PPG), Nicolas Timberlake (5.2 PPG), Parker Braun (2.2 PPG), Michael Jankovich (1.6 PPG), Johnny Furphy (9.0 PPG)

In limbo: None.

Expected to return: Hunter Dickinson (17.9 PPG), Dajuan Harris Jr. (8.5 PPG), K.J. Adams Jr. (12.6 PPG), Elmarko Jackson (4.3 PPG), Jamari McDowell (1.8 PPG), Zach Clemence (1.4 PPG in 2022-23)

Incoming transfers: Zeke Mayo (18.8 PPG at South Dakota State), AJ Storr (16.8 PPG at Wisconsin), Rylan Griffen (11.2 PPG at Alabama), Noah Shelby (3.9 PPG at Rice)

Incoming freshmen: Flory Bidunga (No. 17 in ESPN 100), Rakease Passmore (No. 32 in ESPN 100)

Head coach: Bill Self

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/40049733/mens-college-basketball-2024-2025-roster-changes-transfers-recruits#Big12 ↗

@dylans Looks like the only real loss is McCullar; the incoming players should more than make up for his production. (Pump up Furphy all you want, but he was a liability in the second half of pretty much every game) I’m hoping for a major improvement as last years roster construction was terrible - just too few good players.

@dylans The promise of a year 2 Furphy is a loss. But yeah, thats a lot of incoming ppg :crossed_fingers_light_skin_tone:

The two biggest factors for KU this season will be AJ Storr and Zeke Mayo. Is Storr going to be as selfish a player as he was last season? And, can Zeke Mayo play well enough to where Self can play a lot of 4 out offense?

If Storr plays selfishly and/or Mayo plays like Timberlake on offense, then KU's offense isn't very scary because there's not much outside shooting like last season and teams will pack the paint to stop Storr from driving amd automatically doubling Dickinson.

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some good looking numbers! like em. Bidunga at 40. Was Kevin Young #40?

The staff took out all the camp staff for drinks tonight on Bill’s tab. Nice gesture

Elmarko is out for the year with a torn patella tendon. Terrible news.

@Woodrow said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

Elmarko is out for the year with a torn patella tendon. Terrible news.

For real? Oh no!

@rockchalkjayhawk said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

@Woodrow said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

Elmarko is out for the year with a torn patella tendon. Terrible news.

For real? Oh no!

Unfortunately.

That’s brutal. Looked ok yesterday but knees are weird like that

Oh man, that sucks.

Another year of Dajuan without a backup? Eff. I hope Self has his eyes on an NBA draft dropout.

This is really bad news for Elmarko. Is there a deadline for signing portal guys or even still unsigned kids out of HS?

I had a 100% rip of my patella tendon. You know immediately there is a problem when your kneecap is halfway up your quad. It happened on the court and no one could look at it while they hauled me off. It marked the end of my playing days and I had to learn how to walk again and never regained athletic abilities again.

This is a huge loss... I hope he can rehab and play again.

It's what happened to Perry when he played in TBT in wichita, we saw it. My oldest son just recovered from the same injury in dec. playing bb, actually coaching. He was blocking a shot and came down, fell to the floor. Said the thought he was shot, loud noise. Had to be carried to a car. It was a nasty scar. Long a$$ recovery. I'm sure having rehab daily and being younger will help. His staples were from mid thigh to mid shin. Gross!

@rockchalkjayhawk still have mayo who will hopefully be able to make the P5 leap and be an decent backup PG. If not, then year we are back in the same boat.

It also probably means we are relying on some 10-15 mpg from one of Passmore/McDowell which could be ok, but that is likely a downgrade from Elmarko getting those minutes.

Horrible news about EJ! Hope he duly recovers!

Any chance Noah Shelby drops his redshirt (or does he play off ball)?

Shak Moore come on down.

Too bad we dont have a Chrysler Labaron Philon to jumpstart our Ford Tiempo

@approxinfinity Did he commit elsewhere? Can he undo his uncommitment and recommit to committing?

@benshawks08

He signed with Alabama. His handlers wanted him elsewhere

@BShark said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

Shak Moore come on down.

Need 2 now..

@BeddieKU23 said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

@BShark said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

Shak Moore come on down.

Need 2 now..

I don't think they will but I get where you are coming from. I think they get it done with Moore now that they have a clear role/path to PT available.

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@BShark said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

Shak Moore come on down.

Probably the best PG available at this point and should be able to fill a back up PG role, but does he want to be a back up or is he waiting for a starting job somewhere?

I'm guessing KK Robinson from UALR would be another name KU tries to make contact with now and see if there's any interest for him to return to the P5.

The market for PG's isn't great right now.

@Texas-Hawk-10 Bill got it done. Being officially reported.

Well now we can dream about what a 3rd year Marko could be like. Kid had all the physical tools. Are we saying full physical recovery unlikely?

@approxinfinity said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

Well now we can dream about what a 3rd year Marko could be like. Kid had all the physical tools. Are we saying full physical recovery unlikely?

Impossible to know, but sometimes patellar stuff is career ending.

Makes getting an elite PG in 25 paramount though.

@FarmerJayhawk said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

Makes getting an elite PG in 25 paramount though.

Yep that spot is wiiiide open.

@FarmerJayhawk said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

Makes getting an elite PG in 25 paramount though.

Doesn't Peterson run some point ? At one point thought we were pretty tick with him

@jayballer67 he’s not coming here. Honestly wouldn’t want him as a full time PG anyway. He’s talented, but not good enough to come in and run the show.

Cough Acuff cough

This move also makes me feel better about the defense. Moore is a super defender. You could have play he and Juan together when you just flat need a stop.

@FarmerJayhawk said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

This move also makes me feel better about the defense. Moore is a super defender. You could have play he and Juan together when you just flat need a stop.

Juan/Moore/Griffen/???/Not Hunter

Work in progress but we might be able to field a "get a stop" line-up.

@BShark KJ/Flory at the 4/5? Idk.

@BShark Perry recovered well and he did it here. My son had the KU surgeon. Elmarko's young.

@approxinfinity feel so bad for him. It's an awful injury.

@dylans said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

Cough Acuff cough

ya hopefully would be nice. How did I forget about him . lol

I had a complete quad tear in my early 60’s - it took a full year, but did get back to normal, and still playing sports.
Patellar tear may be a different animal tho.

Actually, I looked up both, and looks like they have the same outcomes.
With the right rehab regimen, Elmarko should recover well.

@benshawks08 So he has to commit to an uncommitment so he can uncommit to commit?

@Bosthawk he'll have the best rehab. Hope they can get him to classes ok. Might have to skip the first summer school session.

Well there ya go, the roster appears set.

Current likely depth chart. Positions a bit murky.

PG Harris — Moore — Mayo

SG Storr — Mayo — Passmore — McDowell

SF Griffen — Passmore

PF KJ — Clemence

C Dickinson — Bidunga — Clemence

Main Bench: Mayo — Passmore — Moore — Bidunga

Redshirt: Elmarko — Shelby

What happens to Elmarko's NIL?

it becomes Next Invite Lucrativity?

@mayjay said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

What happens to Elmarko's NIL?

He will still get some money.

I know sports med technology improves constantly. My injury was back in the mid-90s. I had a well-reputed sports specialist as my doctor/surgeon. He told me even before the surgery I would never return to 100% or even close. I wore a locked leg brace for 6 months. When it came off, I had zero quad muscle left... just a string. Took me a year just to walk without any hitch at all. I had constant PT for 2 years. I was mid-30s and playing semi-pro in The Netherlands at the time. Wouldn't surprise me if every tendon rip injury is a bit unique, depending on how the tear is and other factors.

Moore is a flat out upgrade to Elmarko but we would have been better with both. Elmarko's upside was going to be a tantalizing part of this season but now Self has a grizzled vet from the SEC who offers more stability in his role on both ends. Moore can shoot and score at the rim and his defense will help a team that has plenty of questions on that end. It sounds like Moore was coming anyway before the injury so this definitely hits Self hard in him wanting 8 starters. Unless they kick the penalty to next yr he's unlikely to get everything perfect. He can make do with this roster though and has no excuse

Yea, the wing position has like zero depth at the moment, right? Passmore will have to get his shit together pretty quickly to help.

I haven’t really figured out what position Jamari fits into yet. Doesn’t really have the body for that spot yet.

@rockchalkjayhawk KU's at least two deep at every spot with most rotation guys able to play multiple spots.

Harris and Dickinson are probably the only two really locked into one spot on the floor and maybe Flory.

Mayo, McDowell, and Moore can all play the 1 and 2 spots. Mayo and McDowell should primarily be at the 2 when they're in and Moore primarily at the 1, but Self could play those 3 at either spot if needed.

Griffen and Passmore can play the 2 or 3 spots.

Storr could play the 2-4 spots depending on what Self wants to run.

KJ and Clemence can play either front court spot if needed and I'm sure Self will experiment with Flory at the 4 in practice to see if he's playable there, but I doubt his offense is good enough for that at this time.

Starting line up and 8 man rotation is likely to be Harris, Griffen, Storr, Adams, and Dickinson starting with Moore, Mayo subbing in the back court, and either Bidunga/Clemence in the front court off the bench. We probably won't see both Griffen and Storr off the floor at the same time very often.

@Texas-Hawk-10 u don't think passmore will be in the rotation? Or as spellcheck keeps putting password.

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

@Texas-Hawk-10 u don't think passmore will be in the rotation? Or as spellcheck keeps putting password.

We know Self loves his 8 man rotations, so who does Passmore beat out for those minutes? Griffen and Storr are both likely starting. Moore, even though he was brought in to back up Harris, will see plenty of time at the 2 because of his defense. That means that Passmore is essentially battling Zeke Mayo for those minutes and I don't see Passmore beating out Mayo at this time.

I think Passmore will be a much bigger factor in the 2025-26 rotation as the main wing back up and possible starter if Storr or Griffen leave.

KU will have plenty of room for minutes in 2025-26 as KU is for sure losing Adams, Dickinson, Harris, Mayo, and Moore to eligibility after this season.

I'm pretty excited to see how they play together under Self. I'm excited to see the rooks

Flory is the 3rd highest ranked big man in the Self era behind Alexander and Diallo. Thats not great company but by the law of averages maybe he is great. Im looking forward to trusting the process.

@approxinfinity Cliff would have been so good if he had been given better advice.

We need a mentor mom program!

@dylans said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

@approxinfinity Cliff would have been so good if he had been given better advice.

Cliff was planning on coming back before all the stuff with his mom came out. His own mom is who screwed him over.

@approxinfinity

Seems like he might have a better support system in place then those guys. Would be nice to see one of these stick around 1+ yr

I think all the competition is going to be a good thing for us. Hustle will outdo "ranked" any day of the week for Self. I like that Passmore has a fight in him and wants to prove it. That old 'chip on his shoulder' that @drgnslayr :beating_heart: has always liked!

Hope your all well. It's going to be a great week to be in LFK to see all the players return for Roundball Classic :basketball: . Can't wait to see the clips and posts.:person_bouncing_ball_medium-dark_skin_tone:

So whats the final roster look like now?

@RockChalkinTexas I watched it on cox cable last night, meaning it's probably on espn+. I think I finally cancelled mine till fb.

Isn't there a younger Braun still left? Wonder if Self would have him walk on. Don't hear much about him, maybe he's playing somewhere. Never mind, he's going to university of Nebraska Omaha.

I'm excited to see this team play and watch them come together throughout the season.

Are we playing abroad this summer? Any known scrimmages planned with another D1 team? Do I really have to wait until November? lol

Picked a tomato yesterday that looked like a basketball because of its scars.... perhaps an omen!

@drgnslayr we can't play abroad for another couple years since we did last year. Also seems like Self has pivoted away from beating up on the MIAA schools twice to having a "secret" scrimmage and exhibition so I bet we'll hear about that toward the fall.

@FarmerJayhawk Any idea when KU is planning to announce the non-confernce portion of the basketball schedule? I know we know part of the schedule, but it'd be nice to know all of the non-conference schedule since it's almost July. For comparison, KU announced their non-confernce schedule for the 2023-2= season on June 5 last year.

@Texas-Hawk-10 I don't, but it could be any time now. The year before it was late June if memory serves. Not sure if they're waiting on some buy game contracts to get finalized or what

@FarmerJayhawk - IIRC, that “beating up on MIAA schools” gave them most of the money for their athletic department budgets. That will be hard to replace if discontinued.

@Gorilla72 it’s just scaled back to one per year instead of two I believe

This NBA Draft feels so soft

@approxinfinity said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

This NBA Draft feels so soft

Zach ?Edey at # 9 ? - I think is to high for him , can't se him translating to that high of a pick

@approxinfinity oh gawd it’s a real dumpster dive of a draft

@approxinfinity said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

This NBA Draft feels so soft

This is considered one of the weakest drafts in recent history. Pretty much the only reason why Furphy and McCullar have any shot at being 1st round picks this year.

As long as Furphy ends up avoiding New Orleans at 21 or Washington at 26 in the 1st round, he should end up in a pretty good situation where he'll be on a good team and not counted on to be a major factor early on. That'll give him time to develop which likely means spending a decent chunk of his rookie year in the G-League.

I am personally happy with the Rockets pick getting Reed Shepherd. I don't necessarily see him being the best in the draft, I think that'll end up be Sarr or Holland, but Shepherd fills a big need for Houston as a shooter. If his defense is serviceable, Shepherd could turn into one of the top shooters in the league very quickly and make Jalen Green an expendable piece in a trade. The Rockets did offer Green as part of a package to the Nets for Bridges at the trade deadline last season, so he's definitely not someone Houston is fully committed to at this point.

Raptors next. Furphy and Dick?

Nope.

@approxinfinity said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

Raptors next. Furphy and Dick?

Nope, Walter from Baylor. That wouldn't be a great fit for Furphy because he'd be directly fighting with Dick for time.

Hopefully New Orleans looks elsewhere besides Furphy.

Cleveland would've been a good fit for Furphy, but they went Jaylon Tyson from Cal instead.

NO takes Missi from Baylor.

If he goes second round did he get bad info?

Almost certainly. Shoot even the NBA thought mid first

New York taking Kyshawn George means Furphy slipping to at least 26 now. I hope Furphy doesn't go there because Washington is in the beginning phases of a massive rebuild and will be pretty bad for the next several years.

Filipowski is NY's likely other pick because of them losing Hartenstein to free agency and needing to replace him.

Wow, another wing before Furphy. At this point, it's definitely looking like Furphy made the wrong decision at this point.

Wild. Hopefully he’s more motivated than ever

Real shot Furphy slides out of round 1 now. Minnesota needs a PG to eventually replace Conley, Utah doesn't need a wing, Denver has Braun, so Boston seems.like the best bet unless someone trades up to Furphy.

Terrance Shannon to Minnesota, thought they'd go Kolek to get Conley's replacement.

Happy Shannon went there. What a travesty he went through here

Cmon Boston,
Aussie is practically Irish!

Wollp

What a weird draft

Weber State and Creighton did well. WTF

Maybe he will go undrafted and return for his soph year ;)

@approxinfinity - assumed name of Furry Jonphy?

No, he would be eligible to return if undrafted

Really?

Thats what I read

Just read it too!
INTERESTING

He’s def going in the 2nd round

@approxinfinity said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

No, he would be eligible to return if undrafted

Time to make up a career threatening injury suffered on Broadway before 4 PM tomorrow

Damn, wasn’t he invited to the Green Room??!! Stupid NBA.

Kind of shocked actually.

Looks like the NBA folks don’t care for a player that completely disappears in the second half. I hope he goes in the second round or really improves if he has to come back. I would hate a repeat of his freshman performance.

I’d pull out right now if I’m him. He’s a lottery pick next season no question if he develops. He’s guaranteed nothing as a second round pick.

drafted players in the NBA can refuse to play for the team that drafted them

Tell all teams he will refuse to play for them… until next year.

@kjayhawks said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

I’d pull out right now if I’m him. He’s a lottery pick next season no question if he develops. He’s guaranteed nothing as a second round pick.

This isn't possible.

@kjayhawks said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

I’d pull out right now if I’m him. He’s a lottery pick next season no question if he develops. He’s guaranteed nothing as a second round pick.

Not how the draft works. Closest he could do to that would be to refuse to sign with whoever drafts him, play a season in the NBL at home, and re-enter next draft. Danny Ferry is the only player to go that route when he flat out refused to play for the Clippers in the early 90's and spent a season in Italy. This path would have its own risks as well and would not be advisable as next year's draft is being hyped as a potential all time draft.

What's crazy about Furphy's slide is because it's happening for the exact opposite reason Dalton Knecht slid from top 10 lock down to 17. Furphy's slide is supposedly because of how young and raw he is while Knecht's slide was because he was too old.

@Woodrow I thought he could return idk how it works anymore lol

@kjayhawks said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

@Woodrow I thought he could return idk how it works anymore lol

He could only return if he's not drafted and met all other eligibility requirements to return. You can't withdraw from the draft in the middle of the draft, that deadline was about a month ago.

Why did they make the draft 2 days? Clearly it was so Johnny Furphy could work behind the scenes to tell all teams not to draft him.

Round 2 now underway with Toronto on the clock.

Still no Furphy after the first 3 picks in round 2.

Tyler Kolek to Portland at 34, who's being traded to NY.

Furphy finally gets selected at 35 going to the San Antonio Spurs.

I personally hate that Furphy is in San Antonio because I hate the Spurs, but that's a great situation for Furphy with a team that's on the rise with Wemby.

Furphy not staying in San Antonio long as the Spurs and Pacers swapped the 35th and 35th picks so Furphy going to Indiana now.

that'd be crazy if Furphy and McCullar end up on the Pacers!

McCullar would actually be a great fit for the Warriors. May be the only guy on that team to play defense.

And as expected, Bronny James goes 55 to the Lakers to play with his dad.

And McCullar going 56 to Phoenix who is sending that pick to the Knicks.

Just my opinion. Furph should have stayed until he had whiskers on his face. I think Self pushes them out the door too quickly. Furph would have listened to Self to stay but he advised to go. Sometimes I think Self pushes too fast hoping this will increase more top tier recruits to Kansas. It wasn't a good look for KU yesterday to have Self and Furph stand around and not get picked.

Love the fit for Kev in NY. Glad they could interrupt their Bronny coverage to say a couple words about him

Good for Kevin to hear his name called I wasn’t a 100% sure he would. @drgnslayr yea the second round can become a G-League purgatory for a career real quick. @Texas-Hawk-10 they only drafted him to keep Bron for a few more years no chance he plays meaningful minutes on a contending team.

Some Furphy love

Despite not having a first-round pick, the Pacers landed the No. 5 player in my projections when they moved up one spot to stop Furphy's slide into the second round. I get why scouts might not have believed Furphy was a lottery talent as my projections suggested, but to see him not go in the first round was legitimately shocking. If Furphy develops as a shooter with size, he'd fit well alongside Pascal Siakam in the Indiana frontcourt.

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/40429028/2024-nba-draft-grades-winners-losers-sleepers-all-30-teams-classes ↗

@kjayhawks said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

Good for Kevin to hear his name called I wasn’t a 100% sure he would. @drgnslayr yea the second round can become a G-League purgatory for a career real quick. @Texas-Hawk-10 they only drafted him to keep Bron for a few more years no chance he plays meaningful minutes on a contending team.

I'm fully aware of why the Lakers drafted him. In regards to playing meaningful minutes on a contender, are you referring to this upcoming season, or ever because I believe those are two different answers.

I do believe Bronny can be a solid NBA role player in a few years. If it wasn't for this unique opportunity to play with his dad, he'd still be at USC and would probably be a 3 year player there before making the jump.

Does he have All-Star level talent? I doubt that, but I believe he has the tools and talent to eventually become an NBA starter or 6th man type role. He does genuinely have the talent, work ethic, and attitude to make it in the NBA. It will take time, and he'll likely spend some time in the G-League this season. It will probably take 2-3 years for him to start coming into his own, but even without his dad, I don't think him going at the back end of the second round was a huge reach.

@Texas-Hawk-10 I don’t want to throw shade at Bronny. I genuinely hope he runs with this opportunity, he is blessed to be born into the right family. Also not to hate to LeBron I’d do anything for not only my kids but most kids in general. This fell into their lap, let’s see what happens. But I have seen nothing from watching him play sparingly at USC that he is even remotely close to being an NBA caliber player. Yes LeBron is an unbelievably gifted athlete and one of the best to do it but that doesn’t guarantee his son is the same. A couple of Jordan’s kids played CBB too and weren’t drafted have much better numbers than Bronny. He young and will get his shot so congratulations to him but I don’t expect him to turn into anything but a G-league or practice squad guy.

@kjayhawks said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

@Texas-Hawk-10 I don’t want to throw shade at Bronny. I genuinely hope he runs with this opportunity, he is blessed to be born into the right family. Also not to hate to LeBron I’d do anything for not only my kids but most kids in general. This fell into their lap, let’s see what happens. But I have seen nothing from watching him play sparingly at USC that he is even remotely close to being an NBA caliber player. Yes LeBron is an unbelievably gifted athlete and one of the best to do it but that doesn’t guarantee his son is the same. A couple of Jordan’s kids played CBB too and weren’t drafted have much better numbers than Bronny. He young and will get his shot so congratulations to him but I don’t expect him to turn into anything but a G-league or practice squad guy.

Bronny was coming back from his cardiac arrest less than a year ago, so he was nowhere near 100% last season at USC. When you look at his high school videos against other top HS talent at stuff like the Nike Summit and McDonald's AA game, Bronny is a more than capable player who deserved his top 25 ranking. As long as he keeps putting in the work, which I've never seen anyone claim he has a poor work ethic or sense of entitlement, he'll be fine and be a serviceable NBA player in 3 years.

@Texas-Hawk-10 we’ll find out in time either way but several players looked like gods on highschool highlight films. Shoot several Jayhawks even that never made it to the pros or even played meaningful minutes here.

I feel empathy for Bronny. His statement fit perfectly... he wants to carve his own path. But who will let him? Unless he ends up being a monster talent like his dad, he'll always fall in his dad's shadow. I'm sure he got a free pass in the draft, but it's not worth it to face the uphill battle ahead of him. I will be pulling for him!

https://247sports.com/college/north-carolina-state/article/mj-rice-nc-state-basketball-leaving-redshirt-ernest-ross-wolfpack-2024-25-233212231/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR0ijGTODS2hEhym_7VHj-rBO7yjRuNAxkgpnRdFdi5607KiUtCNL6IDJVI_aem_8fWo0USidL9JDZoDoPCmEQ ↗

I know what some of you are thinking...

Man. We had had some kids that are really confused

Kyle Filipowski saga is kind of strange. Seems odd but I kind of feel for him. To be the subject of national scrutiny for not getting drafted, then the news of his girlfriend and worse, estrangement from his family at present is tough to read. It's easier to dislike a kid when he's just dislikable because he plays for Duke.

Any discussion of a DUKE player in a Kansas roster thread should be grounds for suspension! :)

Empathy is underrated, empathy towards Duke goons is next to godliness…?

For those who don't know the Filipowski story, it involves him likely being groomed since he was in high school by an older woman, potentially with intention of trying to separate him from his family and convert him to the Mormon church.

@Texas-Hawk-10 wow i meant to read it but got distracted with life stuff. That is WILD

Not worth a new thread, but I decided to end my Sox boycott last night and noticed the Rockies Jacob Stallings was born in Lawrence. Just looked at his bio and his did was longtime college hoops coach Kevin whom assisted Roy from 88-93 which means Jacob was born while his dad was coaching here. Not newsworthy, just interesting.

He’s going to be a good one if he stays patient 🐦 View Tweet?s=46&t=c0LiaNrxev6XfT7LIH8dAQ

@FarmerJayhawk said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

He’s going to be a good one if he stays patient 🐦 View Tweet?s=46&t=c0LiaNrxev6XfT7LIH8dAQ

Unless Self expands the rotation to 9, the battle between and Mayo should be pretty good.

Also saw his name on a 2026 draft board as a top 100 draft prospect.

@FarmerJayhawk post was deleted. what was the gist?

@Texas-Hawk-10 Did I miss a link to the Filipowski story?

@approxinfinity said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

drafted players in the NBA can refuse to play for the team that drafted them

Tell all teams he will refuse to play for them… until next year.

They retain his rights indefinitely though. The Bronny James I’ll go to Australia stuff was funny. No worries , no one wants to draft your guy Rich Paul. 😂

@mayjay said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

@Texas-Hawk-10 Did I miss a link to the Filipowski story?

No, it's a story from SBNation about why Filipowski might've slipped to the second round since he was also expecting to be a mid 1st round pick. The link is below.

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2024/6/28/24188094/kyle-filipowski-girlfriend-nba-draft-utah-jazz ↗

I usually let basketball rule where my heart is. When Filipowski went to Duke I had to get over a lot to have any kind of liking or respect for him. His play during his year at Duke really won me over. I've managed to forget the D on his jersey and respect the kid as a quality player. I think he has a future in the NBA.

@drgnslayr not me man. When he said he felt the fan rushing the court was trying to injure him… the D on his shirt may not stand for D-bag but it at least stands for delusional.

@approxinfinity Ya that was a bunch of BS and couldn’t stand him much before but zero after that. Most Duke guys make it so easy to hate them. Imagine Jamari pulling that BS when the Mildcat fan bumped him.

@Texas-Hawk-10 The reason explained as to why he slipped doesn't make sense to me.

I believe it was due to family dynamics. Flips gf has been grooming him since high school, she's 8 yrs older than him. She's also a Mormon. He has no contact w/his family! I think that's why he wasn't taken until Utah had their pick in the 2nd round. No team wanted to mess w/that. If you google it it's pretty detailed, and also really sad. Is that what the rest of u guys u derstand?

As long as both parties love each other and are loyal, I do not think 8 year age difference should be an issue IMO.

@AsadZ said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

As long as both parties love each other and are loyal, I do not think 8 year age difference should be an issue IMO.

The age difference itself isn't why this is an issue. The reason it became a potential issue is that Kyle was 15 when they started dating and she was 23 and she was also his former babysitter. That's why it's an issue.

Imagine if the roles were reversed and it was 23 year old man dating a 15 year girl who was projected to be a top recruit and eventual WNBA pick, there would be a huge outcry of grooming. Kyle being estranged from his family means that there's something going on that he and his family don't see eye to eye on.

@approxinfinity Baseball and football are different I guess. A fan runs on the field and we cheer him on and then cheer even louder when the security dudes blast him near into eternity. My opinion, you run onto a court where a game ended seconds later all bets are off. I still don't get the criticism of him or that of CClark in similar circumstances.

@wissox I think they should watch Jamari Traylor for an example of how to act in those situations. He handled it much better.

@dylans I still don't get that. Clark and Filipowski are both kind of idiots so people are going to criticize how they handled it but obviously not me. You run on a court a second after a game ends at full speed and the losing players are trying to get off, and in the Clark case even appear to target her, well if a player shoves the fan out of the way that's the risk the court stormer takes.

I didnt question his knocking the shit out of the courtstormer. I questioned him suggesting the courtstormer wanted to injure him.

@wissox No arguments here. They are both floppers though. Lay the wood on the court stormer, don’t be such a pussy.

Well there ya go, the roster REALLY appears set this time.

Current likely depth chart. Positions a bit murky.

PG Harris — Moore — Coit — Mayo

SG Storr — Mayo — Passmore — Coit

SF Griffen — Passmore — McDowell

PF KJ — Clemence

C Dickinson — Bidunga — Clemence

Main Bench: Mayo — Passmore — Moore — Bidunga — Coit

Redshirt: Elmarko — Shelby

So who’s destined for more playing time: Moore or Coit?

@rockchalkjayhawk

Interesting one. I think they like Moore and he's going to be a steady option behind Harris. Since he's been here longer to develop chemistry and become accustomed to Self Ball I would expect it's Moore.

Coit will also have to adjust to playing at this level whereas Moore has plenty of experience in P4.

Glad to have both as bench options that's for sure

I like the sound of this:

Moore was a part of three-consecutive state championship teams in 2017, 2018 and 2019.

Harris helped lead the team to two straight Missouri 5A state championship game appearances, finishing runner up in 2018 and winning in 2019.
“Being a 5-9 kid from the middle of nowhere New Jersey ... I am truly blessed to have the opportunity to play one more year. It’s a very good team. We’re very good players, so everything is going to have to be earned,” Coit said.

While with Lawrence High, Mayo became the first Chesty Lion ever to receive the male DiRenna Award for the Kansas City area’s best high school basketball player. He was also a two-time Journal-World All-Area player of the year before embarking on his career at SDSU.

Coit said he picked a school with “transparency and integrity. That was the main thing I’m trying to live by, just morals and standards. I wanted to play for a coach (Bill Self) that lives off of that as well. So the school I committed to (KU), they were kind of upfront from the get-go about me being able to play my game but also being able to compete. ... I’m not going there with them saying, ‘You are starting,’ or ‘You’ve got the ball.’”

@rockchalkjayhawk said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

So who’s destined for more playing time: Moore or Coit?

I wonder if it comes down to who’s hot plays, Zeke or Coit?

@rockchalkjayhawk said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

So who’s destined for more playing time: Moore or Coit?

Moore, by a lot imo

@rockchalkjayhawk said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

@rockchalkjayhawk said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

So who’s destined for more playing time: Moore or Coit?

I wonder if it comes down to who’s hot plays, Zeke or Coit?

It's very possible neither ends up playing a lot minutes unless Self expands his rotation past 8. I think it's possible that happens though because on paper, this appears like a team that will frustrate the hell out of Self because there's a lot of below average to terrible defenders on this team this season.

@BShark said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

@rockchalkjayhawk said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

So who’s destined for more playing time: Moore or Coit?

Moore, by a lot imo

Does Moore have any defense to his game? We’re gonna need somebody to play D.

@rockchalkjayhawk said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

@BShark said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

@rockchalkjayhawk said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

So who’s destined for more playing time: Moore or Coit?

Moore, by a lot imo

Does Moore have any defense to his game? We’re gonna need somebody to play D.

Moore is an elite level defender. I would expect to see him and Harris on the floor together a lot closing out games because of their defense.

Have we discussed playing Badunga with Hunter enough? Still think its going to happen.

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

@rockchalkjayhawk said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

@rockchalkjayhawk said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

So who’s destined for more playing time: Moore or Coit?

I wonder if it comes down to who’s hot plays, Zeke or Coit?

It's very possible neither ends up playing a lot minutes unless Self expands his rotation past 8. I think it's possible that happens though because on paper, this appears like a team that will frustrate the hell out of Self because there's a lot of below average to terrible defenders on this team this season.

He recruited the players heh. But yeah we are definitely leaning into scoring but not a ton of defense. Best defensive 5 could be Juan/Moore/Griffen/KJ/Flory but who really knows yet...

This team is going to have to score a lot, and they will.

I do see Zeke likely being in the top 8 though. Juan/Griffen/Storr/KJ/Hunt. Then a primary bench of Zeke/Moore/Flory. Kease and Coit 9th/10th guys I am guessing. Some years where Kease would play more but we are deep this year.

Did we talk about the Mayo Neal connection? https://amp.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article287341140.html ↗

This kid has some maturity to him and sounds like someone eager to prove himself again at this stage. Nice! Last guy we got in August turned out to be important to the team (Furphy).

Coit understands that he's joining this roster demands him to do what's best for the team.

"With or without me this is a great team," Coit said. "The way I can help take them another level is just being another guy who can make plays, shoot and play off other good players. This is already a next-level team. So with me, I add depth, swagger-ball and hunger. If you know my story, coming from the bottom and getting it out of the mud, then you know that I bring a great mentality and I can help by being a great teammate, leader and solid person on and off the court."

Now that he's a Jayhawk, Coit has set his eye on a Big 12 title and a National Championship.

“Y'all got a kid who earned his way everywhere he went," he said when what KU fans can expect from his arrival. "I'm giving my heart to the program, town, state and the front and back of my jersey. I'm giving everything I got. I'm completely focused and locked in. I definitely can't wait."

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Maybe he can help push Harris to score a bit more! It should help bringing his wisdom onboard, plus give us another very unique option! Winning games are often about matchups and sometimes I bet he can help us in that department.

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Certainly, some wishful thinking there. This definitely gives us 3 options at the 1 in a pinch if Coit can learn to be trusted with the ball. Hard to imagine finding a better option this late in the game that knew there was no big role waiting or big NIL coming his way in his last year.

This addition also seems to impact Jamari as it sounds like he will be redshirting this season. When he didn't transfer out the word was, he was happy here regardless of role. They wanted to RS him last year and couldn't but now have the opportunity to do so. Redshirts these days feel like finding a dinosaur but still good to see kids sticking around to try and improve their games (Clemence, Jamari).

Yea, a Jamari redshirt makes sense. He seems to be at the tail end of any depth chart I can come up with.

The ability and development of Passmore may be key to his role.

Jamari should redshirt to preserve his eligibility for after he transfers to North Texas.

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@drgnslayr

Certainly, some wishful thinking there. This definitely gives us 3 options at the 1 in a pinch if Coit can learn to be trusted with the ball. Hard to imagine finding a better option this late in the game that knew there was no big role waiting or big NIL coming his way in his last year.

Fortunate situation for KU. Most of these super late guys it's because they needed an NCAA waiver and we know how long stuff like that can take.

One more shot at a lineup before the season opener! Not loving the miniature guards in this lineup.

PG Harris

SG Coit

SF Griffen

PF KJ

C Dickinson

Main Bench: Storr — Moore — Mayo — Bidunga — Passmore

Redshirt: Elmarko — Shelby — McDowell

Walk on minutes: Clemence

This is a deep team, self is licking some chips

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Don’t put them back in the bag!

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