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Maybe because it’s the first time I’ll be seeing KU gridders in action since the 80s but my excitement for this game is going to distract me all week at work.

Brett Bielema is quite familiar to me since his days in Madison and so this game scares me a bit but on paper it’s one we should win. Illinois is a fairly talent rich state football wise but they lose recruiting wars to ND Michigan and mainly other BIG schools.

Illinois is also battling an infamous curse, the curse of chief illiniwek, the once proud authentic mascot of the university that dressed in and danced in a costume that honored the Illini tribe but was nonetheless removed. Illinois sports have been not the same ever since. I proclaimed the curse after a bad loss on yahoo commenting and started doing so regularly and I’m sure others may have had the same thought but it is a thing now at least a little. Since I was an Illini fan as a kid growing up in the state before I even knew what a Jayhawk or Badger was I still pay attention to them a little.

A road win at even a mediocre BIG team will be looked at favorably come December so this is a great chance for us to make a statement.

@wissox said in Let’s talk Illinois:

Maybe because it’s the first time I’ll be seeing KU gridders in action since the 80s but my excitement for this game is going to distract me all week at work.

Brett Bielema is quite familiar to me since his days in Madison and so this game scares me a bit but on paper it’s one we should win. Illinois is a fairly talent rich state football wise but they lose recruiting wars to ND Michigan and mainly other BIG schools.

Illinois is also battling an infamous curse, the curse of chief illiniwek, the once proud authentic mascot of the university that dressed in and danced in a costume that honored the Illini tribe but was nonetheless removed. Illinois sports have been not the same ever since. I proclaimed the curse after a bad loss on yahoo commenting and started doing so regularly and I’m sure others may have had the same thought but it is a thing now at least a little. Since I was an Illini fan as a kid growing up in the state before I even knew what a Jayhawk or Badger was I still pay attention to them a little.

A road win at even a mediocre BIG team will be looked at favorably come December so this is a great chance for us to make a statement.

We need to take care of business. To prove we are a quality team , you need to be able to go on the road and play your game. I think we have good chance to win but, can't afford silly turnovers and have our D-line stnaf up. This will not be a gimme but still think we should be able to win. - -- Illinois is Big , O- Line has to protect our Qb.

Draft Kings ahs an early line where we are Six point favrites. - For what it's worth I'll say anyway KU 37 -Illinois - -24. I got lucky last week missed by three, hope I'm right here , should be good game on the road.

I grew up an Illinois fan (70s-80s). There's no NEW curse.

to add...

Illinois hasn't had a decent QB since the three good ones in the 1980s. And the teams were pretty flawed even with those three: Eason, Trudeau and George. It's been over 20 years since they squeaked out a conference championship and again got the crap stomped out of them in a bowl. I haven't followed them since about 1990, so I don't know exactly when they dropped the chief, but it sure hasn't hurt or helped them.

That said, if there's a curse, I can dig up an old Tshirt and work a little spell in favor of Rock Chalk but I don't think we need it.

@DanR Well the curse is true because I discovered it! But it applies to basketball as well, 2007 was when it happened and what have they done since then? An elite 8 this past season when you might remember UCONN went on a 30-0 run or something like that. That's got curse written all over it!

Yes they had a nice run during the 80's with some decent QB's. Was exciting to see them make the Rose Bowl in 84 but then UCLA jumped all over them. Like the parade was barely finished and U of I was losing by 14 already!

Lou Henson was OK as a coach, but never really great I thought especially considering the talent he had.

Just read an article the Illinois head Coach was talking about KU , saying that w threw some plays on them that wasn't on game film, and how they had to try an adjust on the fly, their Defensive Cord said pretty much the same , very complimentary of JD-6, and our receivers and Neal, said we played some Old School ball.

They said they thought they were about 1,000 tickets short of a sellout . - -Strap em -up Boys - -it's gonna be juiced -- - these are the games w have to stand up and prove we belong- -- - LET'S DO THIS- -- ROCK CHALK

Game is now a sellout. First in Champaign in about 8 years. Imagine that KU is the team selling out a game at an opponents?!! I'm guessing it's going to be a KU parade down I-57 from Chicago and back Saturday night.

@wissox said in Let’s talk Illinois:

Game is now a sellout. First in Champaign in about 8 years. Imagine that KU is the team selling out a game at an opponents?!! I'm guessing it's going to be a KU parade down I-57 from Chicago and back Saturday night.

The guys just need to make sure to have their chinstraps on and ready. We have improved a lot, but we re no at a point where we can ply a B game.

Read a site to say they are telling people to take the spread, thinking KU will not cover 5.5 favorite
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Saying KU DLine is small will not be able to stop on the run gaps. - I will say they have a bruiser of a running back I think they said 6'3 - -250. - -Gonna have to double/triple up team tackle him hard and let him know he has got smacked. Talking about their QB another year of experience.- -Not a gimme by any means, they saying Illinois should be able to contain Daniels & Neal saying those two will only combine for 150 yards-- -I think they are wrong thee, you might see Jalen run a little moore Satuday -- all you got to say is - - -BRING IT we shall see

@wissox probably mostly local KU fans. Half the bars I used to frequent back (mostly O-street) in the day were chock full of Chicago co-eds.

@dylans What town were you from?

@wissox that was in larryville. I’m from sw Kansas. No Chicago influence here.

Well first off, it’s pretty dang cool to see the game sold out on the road like this. I honestly think this is a bigger game for Illinois than it is for us. People are thinking the seat on Bielema is gonna get hot if he misses out on a bowl game yet again this season.

They looked solid in a week one win vs eastern Illinois. Can Altmyer take the next in to becoming a serviceable B10 QB. They lost most of their top play makers in terms of backs and wide receivers but they have a strong offensive line which is a staple of a Bret Bielema team IMO. The game with in the game is can our mostly un proven front 7 get pressure?

I think this turns into a physical ole big ten slug fest. Winning the turnover battle against good teams is a must for the victor. The only reason we lost to OSU and Tech last season was turnovers so hopefully we learned a few things. I hope JD is able to use his legs some in this one, I think we may end up needing them. I hope we are able to control the line of scrimmage and Neal has another big outing. I like us to win in a close game. It still feels weird picking us to win a road game against a power conference team hopefully it becomes the norm.

Reading over at the Champagne Room they're worried about our secondary, as they should be! They're licking their chops because of our frontline and they think they have the o-line to do some damage. No news flash here for us. Hopefully we've improved. So their keys to victory on one side of the line is to establish the run, limit the damage Kobee and Mello can do (and aren't they on the all name team for college football?!!) They seem to think if giving Altmeyer time he can also inflict some damage. I seem to remember him ripping off some decent runs against us last year.

On the other side of the line is where Illinois is worried. "offense as explosive as any in the country" was one line I read. Imagine that being written about our team!! They're not real confident in their secondary stopping us. So they're focusing on stopping the run game and think they might have some success there. TBH, the article on this aspect doesn't have a lot of hope for Illinois containing our offense.

There's a fairly strong pessimism here. Our secondary beats theirs, our skill positions beats theirs, our RB's beat theirs, the war in the trenches is about even it looks like.

I'm predicting a KU 24-21 victory with in true Illinois fashion, they have a game tying 28 yard FG attempt that is good, but there's a holding call and they miss the 38 yarder.

I've known of this game for 2 years now and am so hyped to be there and see the Jayhawks for the first time since seeing us get destroyed by the Oklahoma machine in 1987 to the tune of 71-10 on a cold miserable day, only made more miserable by the Jayhawks scoring their lone TD when I was walking to my car with the score 71-3.

I was looking at our seasons while I was at KU and noticed two years before I arrived we beat 10th ranked USC in LaLa Land. One of only 4 wins that season, how the heck did that happen?

The Illinois win last year seemed to kick off our great season. It wasn't our best game by far. Tonight's game is really big; a must win for me if KU is to have another great season. RC

@stoptheflop I agree. It’ll be the first non conference road win in in a long time. (If we win)

@wissox said in Let’s talk Illinois:

@stoptheflop I agree. It’ll be the first non conference road win in in a long time. (If we win)

KU won at Nevada last season, won at Houston in 2022 and won at Boston College in 2019.

Line started as KU -6.5 now it is KU -3.5

@Texas-Hawk-10 Yep I believe we snapped the longest road losing streak in college football history vs Central Michigan in 2018. Coach LL in his first season KO’d CFB longest conference road losing streak against Texas in year 1. I believe LL 6 road wins in 3 years is more than any coach since MM. Gill had zero, Wise zero, Beaty 1 and Miles 1.

I sure hope KU doesn't fall behind like the other Big12 teams did today. Just get me a 2 TD lead, play well and finish with no injuries.

Jesus JD looking like a middle schooler so far this season.

Fortunate to hold them to 3.

I sure think Jalon is running the ball too much. We have very good running backs.

@stoptheflop I hold my breath every time I see him running hoping that he is not hurt.

@stoptheflop said in Let’s talk Illinois:

I sure think Jalon is running the ball too much. We have very good running backs.

Disappointed with how the staff is using him. But also he shouldn’t be throwing lead blocks, and that was on him.

@stoptheflop he obviously can’t pass it anymore

FUMBLE!!

My goodness guys smh we are lucky to still be in it, I suppose that’s a positive

@kjayhawks
Agree. Missed opportunities

Offense has to wake up, stop trying to throw the home run ball repeatedly. JD just isn’t ready at this point for that.

Nice 3 and out.

Way to go Devin. More of that please.

There you go JD get in sync buddy

Much better offense. Way to go.

@stoptheflop that’s Kansas offense, running the option, good accurate throws and 6

Oof

Wow, Illini the wheels fell off.

Can we get Jason Bean back?

No reason for that pass. Take a shot down the field to at least try to get a first down, or take a knee and punt. Inexcusable

Jesus that was huge swing 10 points 20 seconds. At this point was Bean better than JD? My god you can’t throw that when a guy is sitting there waiting on it 3 picks for JD in a game without playing the second half last week. It maybe Ballard time in Lawrence

Run the ball or throw it downfield. We miss AK

Wow. Well, hopefully thats rock bottom for JD and he bounces back.

The pick six looked like it was tipped by an Illinois linemen. Skinner probably would have dropped it though.

Well Notre Dame lost to E Illinois. Misery loves company. Really bad half for Jalon

@Kcmatt7
Agree. These 20 yard passes in the flat to gain 2 yards are ridiculous. Run it north-south, run the option, or throw it down the field

@approxinfinity well in all honesty we could was be down by 3 or 4 scores if not for the defense playing strong. This is what I get for giving Avery jazz about not throwing. Other than about 2 passes so far this season JD looks like dog crap at best. But yes we miss Coach K, need to run the damn ball. Neal 7 carries for 73 yards.

Noticeable lack of RPOs as well and JD was so good at that.

Jared Casey caught a pass (yay)

Fumble by Skinner really hurt. If he catches that pitch cleanly, probably a 20 yd gain

@Kcmatt7 option worked great let’s run it once and never again. With run plays, you run them til they can stop them.

@webjay ya skinner as a Senior can’t hang on to the dang ball go figure.

Ok, predicting a major momentum shift to start the half, maybe a a pick-6 by Bryant or Dotson?

@webjay I’m okay with a stop

Jalon just playing like crap, looking bad so far

@kjayhawks Defense did their job.

Run, run, run

Their kickers are solid

Run 3.333334 yards every play

Then every 10th play, fake the run and throw it

Great play Skinner. There we go.

If they throw into the flat, I will scream

@patoh3
Right there with you

Nice!

How many lucky breaks do undefeated teams usually need to go undefeated? Asking for a friend

We are pretty balanced right now and that’s fine as long as JD throws to the guys in white lol

They can’t stop our run game. I’m not sure I’m passing unless it’s 3rd and long. And if I’m at the 50, probably not even then.

Alright. Now come on D. 3 and out

We are absolutely destroying them on the stat sheet but the two turnovers are killer one for a score. Almost double the yards, over double yards per play and first downs.

Illini can throw to the flat any time they want.

This defense has been impressive tonight

@stoptheflop The D listened!

@kjayhawks first drive worried me, but they’ve been nails since

Their D tired time for Neal

Please, please, please coach Grimes: Run, run, run the ball

@stoptheflop up the middle preferably.

Are we winning this game by 2 scores with Ballard?

Should JD be benched?

Why Grines why are we throwing on first down all the time smh

@patoh3 if consider it if we lose, 4 picks now in 5 quarters is bad like really really bad

@kjayhawks well also what is wrong with JD? Not even close on his incompletions. The TD to Grim was honestly lucky because it was also a bad throw.

That’s a touchdown if it’s throw in the right place

@patoh3 Absolutely not. He should transfer to K-State

Just run the damn ball. We have some of the best running backs around

@kjayhawks
Agree

"Illinois' defense is keeping them in the game"

No no no no no no!
Jalon Daniels is keeping Illinois in the game

JD6 ifispeak...

Will LL bench JD when we get the ball?

If we can avoid any more picks, our D will win it for us

You ride JD. But it’s going to be a lingering question week to week if they don’t win.

7 yards/run average. Why pass?

@webjay and that’s without having a long TD or something.

WHYYYYY JEFF. WHYYYYYY

Grimes sucks.

WTF? Run for 7, then throw it away twice?

wtf run for 7 yards then two way off target throws smh

Thankfully a game of 3 phases

Is Daniels the ballsiest player ever, or the stupidest? QUIT THROWING!

That had to be one of the stupidest rules in the book?

That’s an insanely stupid rule, reward the offense for muffing a punt

@nuleafjhawk
Not ballsy

How lucky was that? Can’t catch the punt and gets a touchback?

@kjayhawks Yup

Starting to think this isn’t our night, can the defense continue to hold them out of the end zone

If we don’t lose, the offense has certainly tried hard to give it away.

Grant looks like a pro out there. Dude is a rocket

Wow our defense though.

That last series was inexcusable

Is it too late to trade QB's with them?

I’ve been watched KU football since the late 90s and this maybe the worst QB play I’ve ever seen and that’s saying a lot

Sigh
When does basketball start? 🏀

Jeff Grimes and Jalon Daniels should both be done with at least this game maybe the university of Kansas in general

This is not a good team that we are losing to

No more passes

Run again

I’m f we go 3 and out here it’s all done but the crying

We're done. Time to watch Building Off The Grid.

Run it on 4th & 5

We’ll get one more shot

JD is an embarrassment

Un-Fing-believable

About all you can do is point and laugh at him. Guy wears a watch on a necklace with his highlights playing. Then plays like this smh welcome to the real world cupcake

Need a Bryant pick 6

Or a fumble recovery

@kjayhawks this is the worst he’s looked since his true freshman year

@Kcmatt7 if your gonna walk around like that your deserve all the hate. Just Colorado getting whipped tonight

Only bright side would be that this isn’t a conference game.

Herbstriet called it on game day. Altmeyer woild outplay JD

Let’s see how poorly we manage our timeouts

Defense is tired. JD and Grimes’s fault

Timeout

Question is do we even make a bowl

Losing record if we play like this

@webjay Time of possession is about the same.

Does our dumbass coach know we have THREE timeouts?

Timeout

Very poor coaching tonight all around by LL and Grimes. The new stadium is going to be great 1/4 full with a 3 win team smh. UNLV spanks us next week too book it

We get it back with 1 minute, likely down 6.
Would still not throw it

Run 7 times and score

I’d bet a hefty amount JD throw another pick to end the game. Is that turkey or what lol

Can't believe numbnutz is still in the game

Throw it away wasted 15 seconds

Game ends with a JD turnover 5 turnovers in 6 quarters smh please bench him

Maybe this will humble them.

That was worst coaching performance in CFB history, Beaty would’ve got us the W. What a bunch idiots, actually that’s an insult to idiots.

Will always be a Jayhawk, but this was last time I will watch a KU FB game

@webjay hard to watch, easily the worst feeling I’ve had as a KU since South Dakota State beat us to open the Beaty era. Maybe we will end up wish LL left to Wisconsin

If I’m Travis Golf, I’m meeting with coaches tomorrow and firing Jeff Grimes.

@kjayhawks
Probably related to Frank Grimes from the Simpsons

Or Grimey, as his friends called him

@patoh3 play ballard

We should've played a decent team to start, starters only played half.

Daniels has never had the arm strength to throw all the deep passes Grimes wants to throw. How many of those deep throws to Skinner did he badly underthrow tonight? Our passing game needs to focus much more on the short and intermediate routes with only 2 or 3 deep shots total per game. Grimm and Arnold are good enough at those short and intermediate routes to cause secondaries lots of issues.

@webjay said in Let’s talk Illinois:

WTF? Run for 7, then throw it away twice?

From the bleachers, this felt like the series that lost it for us. Sure the pick 6 of course didn't help at all, but we'd established the run, and we have 2nd and 3 and just, why?

Well as pumped as I was for this one, it sure fizzled. Actually we controlled it for the most part for 3 quarters. The pick 6 was the only thing that kept Illinois in it. The defense finally wore out when they learned they'd be going back out on the field in a couple of minutes. Two long scoring drives in the 4th by Ill was all she wrote.

I too walked away miffed with Grimes. Our seat angle was such that it was kind of hard to see the plays, but you'd look up on the running plays and see on the scoreboard 5-6 yards a pop, and it just seems kind of logical that running is going to be your bread and butter. And yet we seemed to get away from it.

Leipold is not a dumbass as someone mentioned.

It was a fun game to be at. Illinois fans aren't obnoxious although after the game as idiot students ran past us down to the field we heard one irate Illinois fan mad about Bill Self leaving. Couldn't quite tell what he was mad about, but like dude, your team just won the game.

If our DBs turn and look for the ball, maybe we stop some of their longer plays.

This is a game we should have won. Clearly.

I completely agree with that last sentence. Illinois is not good. This game was easily there to win for KU.

This is as bad as I've ever seen JD6 look.

Feel like everything went against us. Garbage qb play, somehow not recovering the fumbled snap or the muffed punt

I thought our play calling was below par, Grimes play calling was vanilla. I miss Andy K's playbook.

@AsadZ Vanilla would've been fine if they ran the ball. Absolutely inexplicable

@BShark said in Let’s talk Illinois:

I completely agree with that last sentence. Illinois is not good. This game was easily there to win for KU.

This is as bad as I've ever seen JD6 look.

And Jeff Grimes play calling was ridiculous. 3rd and 2 and KU has great running backs: Grimes calls a 20 yd pass that falls short.

@stoptheflop said in Let’s talk Illinois:

play calling was ridiculous. 3rd and 2

Ah, reminds me of the mid-70s Chiefs' games. "Podolak into the line twice for 8 yards, pass incomplete, punt."

This is why I don’t get worked up over KU football. Over a hundred years worth of history tells us they will revert to the norm - which for KU is bad.

I'M. SO. PISSED.😡🤬😡🤬

@nuleafjhawk At yourself for having expectations or KU football for doing KU football stuff?

Most of us do have expectations!

After last night I’m just hoping we can go .500 and make a bowl game. Thats a loss that can completely destroy a locker room. Will have every offensive player questioning not only the coaching staff’s decisions but if our QB is capable of playing at this level anymore. Pretty much every media is laughing their tails off at Grimes play calls and how ridiculous we looked last night.

@dylans Yes. And yes.

I hope Grimes can take a few plays from Andy Ks playbook, use more RPO and design creative running plays.

I would also like to see a few plays with our backup QB.

@AsadZ We all were worried about JDs health coming in and still don’t wish that upon anyone but the question looms. Were we a better football team with Jason Bean? JD looked unbelievable at times but has the limited practice time and injuries made the game get away from him? He looks worse than he did as a 17 year old true freshman. We just have to hope this is a transitional period of him finding his groove. On the side of the coin, we can’t wait a half of a season for him to figure it out. I’d say Illinois is probably the 3rd or 4th easiest game on our schedule which is pretty weak. If I’m coaching this week, Ballard is getting first team reps.

Just so I have this right:
1) fire everyone
2) Jalon can’t play and is soft
3) Lance can’t coach
4) the stadium is never getting done
5) the sky hasn’t just fallen, we also got hit by a meteor and a hurricane
6) the season is over
7) shut down the program
8) go to the big east

Lots of drama queens here lmao. Take a Xanax.

The Day After...I guess our title hopes are dashed? Ha. I'm still happy with a bowl game. Always my goal until proven otherwise.

I will say many of us KU fans hoped the program had turned some kind of corner. Maybe we're stuck in the traffic circle still.

Illinois seems like a team that kept things close in most games last year. Maybe not as bad a loss as we think, but that sure seemed like a game we could have and should have won. In fact i wasn't even worried after a few bad plays and turnovers. I thought we'd come back and dominate easily. Then stupidity kinda set in. Why can't the adults on the sideline see what the rest of us were seeing? Make the right play calls! Put people in position to succeed! Seems pretty simple viewing from the couch. I don't really know the coaches, so i cant say if Grimes or his understudy are capable. Something went drastically wrong. I hope they can fix whatever "it" is.

Like others, i think i saw a grimace on JD's face early on. Maybe he was hurt? I know i'm just waiting for it to happen. Not wishing for it of course, but always a worry when the back is involved.

On to next week.

But seriously, is qb going to be a position battle?

@approxinfinity no

Forgot to set the DVR so I can't go back and watch. Had a penalty negate a TD to Grimm early in the 2nd quarter. Game play by play calls it offensive pass interference. From the stands Lance looked like he was arguing with refs, but never saw replay. Was it a legit gripe? Anyone remember?

One more gripe for the upcoming week. We have DirecTV and they are currently arguing with the ABC/ESPN nation and as a result I won't be able to watch Friday when they play UNLV. grrrr. first world problem I know, but grrrrr....!

@FarmerJayhawk you got it 98% right. Add tornado to number 5 and you just made the KUBuckets Hall of Fame

@rockchalkjayhawk Grimes has been ran out of town every he has been for pretty much the same thing we saw last night. Lack of common knowledge of the game.

@kjayhawks and by everywhere you mean one time

@wissox said in Let’s talk Illinois:

One more gripe for the upcoming week. We have DirecTV and they are currently arguing with the ABC/ESPN nation and as a result I won't be able to watch Friday when they play UNLV. grrrr. first world problem I know, but grrrrr....!

me neither buddy , unless a Miracle - -just pathetic

Just saw this from an Illini fan: "Great win! Thanks KU coaches for not feeding Neal more."

The one main concern I had late in the game was play calling. Hanni and Lawerence mentioned it, saying well -- -you know what we are going to see a lot of on this series- -this came on our next possession right after Daniels 2nd pick of the game.

They said we are going to see a lot of Devin and Daniel on this series. So what we do , we go out and first play ball goes to Devin for Seven yards , right about mid field Then what do we do? - - - - - we chuck the ball deep for the next two plays which obviously didn't work-- -hadn't worked sll night, could not get separation BUT hey let's chuck it up anyways.

The BIG question on this is WHY ? Why in the hell throw deep twice in a row late in the game when it hasn't work all night , WHY do we go away from the run game ? - I would say here we come , you haven't showed me squat stopping ou run ALL NIGHT LONG w averaged close to Eight yards per, fort the game -they didn't stop us in the run ALL FRICKEN NIGHT, and what do w do ?---w throw the fricking ball not only throw but deep twice. Again I'd be sayin I'm RUNNIN now stop me , until you prove you can shut our running game down - - -I'm still bringing it.

Having sid that for people who is saying fire Grimes - - -run him out -- - - You don't fire an OC TWO GAMES into the Season.-- lot's of work to do, that was just ugly

@wissox I won't be able to watch either.

I'll be watching Remember The Titans.

@FarmerJayhawk The genuine concerns at this point are Grimes play calling and Daniels decision making. The play calling was atrocious and didn't play to Daniels or the rest of the offenses strengths at all. There was no reason last night for the run pass balance to be 50/50. It really should've been much closer to 60/40 in favor of running the ball. Also, the situational play calling was not good either. Grimes has one of the top backs in the country and threw on a third and short on both their second and third to last possessions. KU still had the lead on that third to last possession when Grimes threw on both 2nd and 3rd and 3 with Daniels hovering around 50% completion. There was still 13 minutes left so I get passing in 2nd and 3 and taking a shot, but passing on 3rd and 3 when you have Neal and Hishaw in the backfield is incredibly dumb play calling. Who cares if Illinois knows that ball should go to Neal or Hishaw in that situation, KU's line and Neal and Hishaw are good enough to get 3 yards. Devin Neal only touching the ball twice the entire 4th quarter is inexcusable.

Grimes also didn't call plays to Daniels strengths as a passer. Daniels has never had the biggest arm so why is Grimes calling so many deep passes? How many of those deep passes were incomplete because of being badly underthrown including Daniels third INT of the game?

The first two of Daniels INT's were really bad because of Daniels decison making. The first pick was Daniels trying to make a Mahomes style play/throw and he doesn't have the arm strength. The pick six should've been tucked and run because of that screen was a busted play from the start, but Daniels didn't recognize it.

There's genuine reason for concern at this point going forward because of Grimes play calling and Daniels decison making.

@Texas-Hawk-10 I know zip about Grimes, but at what point does Lance step in and say "I'll call the plays"

@FarmerJayhawk either way you want to slice it, last night was one of the worst play calling performances in the history of the game of football. Baylor fans went nuts with joy when he left. It’s looking like the worst coordinator hire in CFB thus far.

@kjayhawks yeah, the way I want to slice it is not make up that he’s been fired from everywhere.

@Texas-Hawk-10 it absolutely wasn’t our best night, no doubt about it. But I do believe they’ll adjust and get it together. Daniels and Grimes are too good not to.

@FarmerJayhawk I didn’t say he was fired everywhere but there is a reason he don’t last long and fan bases do a happy dance when he leaves.

@kjayhawks you did, that’s fine. Keep the narrative in your head. I missed the celebration from Provo when he left after they led the country in yards per play and went 11-1 or Baton Rouge where they had a top 20 rushing offense and went 9-4 the year before he left

@FarmerJayhawk The lack of situational awareness from Grimes play calling is very concerning for someone in his 7th year as an OC.

@kjayhawks said in Let’s talk Illinois:

@FarmerJayhawk either way you want to slice it, last night was one of the worst play calling performances in the history of the game of football. Baylor fans went nuts with joy when he left. It’s looking like the worst coordinator hire in CFB thus far.

I do believe that Coach L haas the final decision about play calls , if there is a play and he doesn't like that particular call for that situation he can always shut it down- - he has the last say on any play if he wans.

@FarmerJayhawk well you and I usually agree on most things. I’ll agree disagree with you buddy but I hope he fired sooner rather than later

@Texas-Hawk-10 exactly, if you would told me this was his first season in football, I would’ve believed it no questions asked.

@kjayhawks said in Let’s talk Illinois:

@Texas-Hawk-10 exactly, if you would told me this was his first season in football, I would’ve believed it no questions asked.

I'm not at your level of being down on the team. Not once have I said that Daniels should be benched or anyone be fired. Right now, you sound little like a certain someone who only shows up when there's something negative going on with the basketball team.

@Texas-Hawk-10 haha I’m pretty ticked off I can’t argue that. Most QBs that have 6 turnovers in 6 quarters get benched from what I’ve seen of American football. Grimes I no faith in, he won’t be here longer than a year or two. He’ll leave or get canned in that time frame.

Bears won today the same way Illinois won yesterday. Turnover prone team who generally outplayed the victors. Gain more yards? Lose. More Time of Possession? Lose.

@wissox Turnovers can do that to a team real fast. If KU doesn’t turn it over they likely win by 3 touchdowns

IMO there is only one way to to make last night be okay….. Win in Manhattan

@wissox How did Caleb look? He had flashes of brilliance in the pre-season.

@kjayhawks said in Let’s talk Illinois:

@rockchalkjayhawk Grimes has been ran out of town every he has been for pretty much the same thing we saw last night. Lack of common knowledge of the game.

Hmm, why the hell did we hire him? Best available?

@dylans I did not watch but looking at stats he did okay.

How Bears won the game was incredible, sometimes your opponent mess up things.

@dylans Like a rookie with talent but who really only played about a half game in the preseason. Didn't make any bad throws, had several drops that would have been bigger plays, but also took a 19 yard sack. To me most glaring was he looked slow.

@AsadZ said in Let’s talk Illinois:

How Bears won the game was incredible, sometimes your opponent mess up things.

Exactly, like we did against Illinois!

My hot takes:
1) I'm not impressed with the offensive coordinator. Of course, there was some poor execution, but the play calls seemed unwise.
2) This year is all about "Can you win when you are the team circled on the other team's calendar?" Illinois wanted revenge. UNLV will want the same. Then you've got WV who will remember the last time KU visited Morgantown.

Winning when you are taking the other team's best shot and they are passionately preparing for you is very different.

@rockchalkjayhawk said in Let’s talk Illinois:

@kjayhawks said in Let’s talk Illinois:

@rockchalkjayhawk Grimes has been ran out of town every he has been for pretty much the same thing we saw last night. Lack of common knowledge of the game.

Hmm, why the hell did we hire him? Best available?

Our #1 choice had leukemia and Grimes was the best available. 2 time Broyles finalist, not too shabby

@FarmerJayhawk said in Let’s talk Illinois:

@rockchalkjayhawk said in Let’s talk Illinois:

@kjayhawks said in Let’s talk Illinois:

@rockchalkjayhawk Grimes has been ran out of town every he has been for pretty much the same thing we saw last night. Lack of common knowledge of the game.

Hmm, why the hell did we hire him? Best available?

Our #1 choice had leukemia and Grimes was the best available. 2 time Broyles finalist, not too shabby

@FarmerJayhawk Hey you seem to be the only poster standing up for Grimes. I don't know any better, so no clue, but why the positive tone when most others are down on him?

@nuleafjhawk said in Let’s talk Illinois:

I'M. SO. PISSED.😡🤬😡🤬

First time I've been mad about KU football in awhile. It's usually apathy.

Lessons learned?

@rockchalkjayhawk said in Let’s talk Illinois:

@FarmerJayhawk said in Let’s talk Illinois:

@rockchalkjayhawk said in Let’s talk Illinois:

@kjayhawks said in Let’s talk Illinois:

@rockchalkjayhawk Grimes has been ran out of town every he has been for pretty much the same thing we saw last night. Lack of common knowledge of the game.

Hmm, why the hell did we hire him? Best available?

Our #1 choice had leukemia and Grimes was the best available. 2 time Broyles finalist, not too shabby

@FarmerJayhawk Hey you seem to be the only poster standing up for Grimes. I don't know any better, so no clue, but why the positive tone when most others are down on him?

Really two things, first it’s faith in Lance. I don’t think he would hire someone who flat wasn’t any good. Honestly all of his assistant hires (on and off the field) so far have been really good. Second, it’s just Grimes’s record. 2 time Broyles finalist, shoot even made Zach Wilson look great. One off night does not make a bad coach. JD hits a couple throws that he should’ve and we’re talking hey love the aggressiveness/let Jalon cook

@FarmerJayhawk said in Let’s talk Illinois:

@rockchalkjayhawk said in Let’s talk Illinois:

@FarmerJayhawk said in Let’s talk Illinois:

@rockchalkjayhawk said in Let’s talk Illinois:

@kjayhawks said in Let’s talk Illinois:

@rockchalkjayhawk Grimes has been ran out of town every he has been for pretty much the same thing we saw last night. Lack of common knowledge of the game.

Hmm, why the hell did we hire him? Best available?

Our #1 choice had leukemia and Grimes was the best available. 2 time Broyles finalist, not too shabby

@FarmerJayhawk Hey you seem to be the only poster standing up for Grimes. I don't know any better, so no clue, but why the positive tone when most others are down on him?

Really two things, first it’s faith in Lance. I don’t think he would hire someone who flat wasn’t any good. Honestly all of his assistant hires (on and off the field) so far have been really good. Second, it’s just Grimes’s record. 2 time Broyles finalist, shoot even made Zach Wilson look great. One off night does not make a bad coach. JD hits a couple throws that he should’ve and we’re talking hey love the aggressiveness/let Jalon cook

Fingers crossed your faith and Lance's faith prove undebatable on the field!

@Crimsonorblue22 Don't get hyped about KU football?

@nuleafjhawk I think we'll learn from our mistakes. Besides I watched at my son's house, 1st bad luck thing, and the neighbors were outside and came in to watch some, 2nd bad thing, last time both these things plus their dog happened, we lost a bb game. Chaos! Crims wasn't happy! I was trying to break the jinx of watching away from my house. You can imagine my face when I saw the neighbors, I knew he'd invite them in. 0-2

Worried this is a 2008 type season. All the expectations, but some changes and challenges that haven't been overcome yet. There is still time but that was not supposed to be our first real test. Even still, we failed it.

Some positives are the defense is continuing to show improvement even from last year. That run D was SOLID and the pass D would have been solid statistically without some pretty spectacular catches. The D did the job. Would never have thought the offense would be the issue at this point...

I don’t think anyone has lost faith in Lance at this point. JD doesn’t look like the same kid that threw for 500 plus yards vs Arkansas in the bowl game. I think we need to give him more time but we can’t afford him to throw away this season trying to get there. If he has another game full of turnovers, we have to go elsewhere at the QB position. Grimes has to call plays to help build JD back up and use our very talented trio of running backs. That flat out has not happened the first two games.

@benshawks08 think maybe you mean 2009. Yes I’m very pleased with the defense thus far and there is just too much talent in the is offense to only put 17 on the board.

@benshawks08 said in Let’s talk Illinois:

Worried this is a 2008 type season. All the expectations, but some changes and challenges that haven't been overcome yet. There is still time but that was not supposed to be our first real test. Even still, we failed it.

Some positives are the defense is continuing to show improvement even from last year. That run D was SOLID and the pass D would have been solid statistically without some pretty spectacular catches. The D did the job. Would never have thought the offense would be the issue at this point...

2008-2009. The orange bowl was in 2008 but in my head that is the 2007 season. I see how that might be the wrong way to think of it.

@Crimsonorblue22 Man that's a lot of things to keep track of to make sure we don't jinx the Jayhawks.

I thought commentators were very biased towards IL, seemed like they had money 💰 on line for IL to win. Yes IL was the underdog but still it was very annoying.

Hope Fox can get better ones who are non-biased towards any particular team.

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Let’s talk Illinois:

Lessons learned?

I think there are many problems. Some can't really be fixed and have been there for awhile with JD6. AK was soooo good at scheming guys open, we are feeling that loss. Some stuff can be fixed, like running the ball more.

@AsadZ said in Let’s talk Illinois:

I thought commentators were very biased towards IL, seemed like they had money 💰 on line for IL to win. Yes IL was the underdog but still it was very annoying.

Hope Fox can get better ones who are non-biased towards any particular team.

your going to have that no matter who you play and or what teams are playing. your NEVER going to keep everyone happy.