They will be moving on to Husker football again after this L. We good.

@BShark we good! 💙❤️

Does 3.5 pts seem right for the spread? That seems low to me. They had 3 straight losses to Nebr, San Diego St and TxAm, then beat NDame

Amazing that's the thread title I was going to use!

Everybody’s Super Bowl

Hope we go dominate and Kalk plays so no excuses

We're going to miss the entire first half of our game at this rate.

Griffen not playing?

@wissox

Doubtful

UConn's got a kid named Solo Ball. Which past or current KU player would be named that? Maybe early Frank Mason. I always thought of Archie Marshall as a Solo Ball player way back in the 80's.

Will our game start before 8?

Hanni says no

Screen says tip at 8:45. We should make that!

@wissox early Sherron Collins or Dedric Lawson

Liam gonna shoot

Brannen Greene was Solo Ball.

@wissox should've used the clock, Liam

So much for seeing out full game

Shoot everything!

Listening on the Jayhawk Radio Network. Tip off

Got it on FS2.

Crappy start to this one.

Wow what a weak call

Not a optimum start

Unforced turnovers kill. Passmore just stepped out of bounds, then a 3 for them. No bueno.

@wissox said in Cretins From Craytin Game Thread:

Got it on FS2.

Thanks found it

Hilarious

@wissox

Like the 3rd time he's had that turnover this yr

Their ball movement is superb

Awful shot by Hunter

53 percent of their shots are from three.

Really impressed with Passmores quickness. He had a great defensive possession 2 back forcing a miss at the rim. Before that had shown great closeout and quickness then latched onto the driver. His defensive potential is vast

Interesting Passmore was first off the bench

What are we watching this on? I'm stuck with Failor/Uconn

NM

sounds like we're moving over to FS1.

Harris is getting fouled the whole way down the court and they call that.

Harris get your head out your arse

@kjayhawks

Griffen is out

Harris can't catch a cold tonight

That's why we hedge the big man

Harris is all-right

All Juan’s shots have been fine

KJ with the BOARD

Finally a made 3

Terrible shot by coit

Lots of ugly shots to go around

I’m more concerned with our defense or lack there of at this point.

5/8 from three from the Jays so far. Bombs too.

That Baylor-UConn game was ridiculous. It took 2 1/2 hours without OT. Tons of lengthy reviews.

Settle down boys.

@wissox had to make two of whiniest coaches around happy lol

Some dude named Pop for their team is 3-3 tonight on 3's but only 33% on the season.

Piss on this. Wheel of Fortune is on.

Why does the arena T-shirt fan thing irritate me so much. White outs. Black outs. Count me outs.

Predictable unfortunately. Big trap game vibes.

@DanR Oh count me out, that's next game!

What a dumb foul

Bill doesn't look concerned.

Slow down buddy

We are doing way to much dribbling

We are doing way too much missing

we've taken 6 more shots than Creighton

I’m behind watching recording, but what are some of these lineups??

These corrupt zebras have called 1 foul on them all game.

should have been a foul

@Kcmatt7 Griffen out which is causing some odd rotatations.

Just a whole bunch of one on one ball. Yikes

I like Juan aggressive but not sure he’s the guy we need shooting 8 shots a half. We are just standing way to much on both ends

Coit laying a bunch of bricks as well

If we get into the 30's by half it will be good.

shooting 100% or 0% from the free throw line depending on how you look at it

No No No good shot

Defense is horrendous

Dickerson kind of stinks against other footers. That was an air foul though

Passmore foul no shit

We really could have had a shooting foul at the other end.

Nice Zeke

That's the zeke we need

Flop

Isn't our night with that garbage

I hate refs.

Sit down Hunter. Useless tonight

Pretty awful call.

We work our asses of for a hoop and bang another trey.

@wissox Maybe they should wear orange jumpsuits.

@DanR

He always disappears when they play like this

Hunter didn’t move there at all not sure what that was other than a good screen

Didn't we use to call flops?

@kjayhawks i think its cuz hunter looks like an ax murderer.

@approxinfinity he seldom gets a friendly whistle on either end with his size.

@Crimsonorblue22 I have not seen 1 called so far this year.

1 looks old

Lowered the shoulder. BS call, but Hunt should know better

Just looks like tonight anyway ------ Creighton just quicker ,beating us to the spot and then of course being able to hit three's Defense like lik warm dog doo , but what else is new

Harris 2-9 - -letting Juan and KJ shoot

Zeke gets hammered but ball is off us. SMH

Wow, they're fouling us all over. Mayo got pushed out of bounds. He was pissed too.

Ya Zeke was mad

Good camera work to show that shove LOL

We should not be shooting with zero rebounders. Stupid

I hate refs

I’m shocked Self hasn’t got a T yet

3 fouls against them in 19 minutes.

Wissox should've had one

Go ahead and celebrate, Jays. Game is not over

Z3k3

Man. Words i normally dont say… more mayo please!

I love the small ball lineup tho

As bad as it is , if it wasn't for Zeke this 1st half how bad would it be ? - -This pace is way to fast for Dickinson he is ghosting

Harris with 12 shots this half. Way too many

As much as I like Juan’s game this season him shooting the ball 12 times in one half is a no from me

They're 265th nationally in 3 point percentage, but that number is rising as we speak.

I'll say this Harris makes shots like he's been taking quite a bit.

That effin #1 needs a smack. He rolls into Zekes ankle flops on Hunters screen and pushed Zeke out.

I'm fine with Zeke launching bombs, but crash the boards against the zone

We're good.

every time it looked like it was going to be totally hopeless Zeke mainly hits a big 3 and restores some hope.

@Zabudda shoved Juan too

So I mean we are playing like butt and 38% from two is why we are losing but my goodness the refs have missed some egregious ones tonight.

Didnt know refs making NIL money for calls was ok now.

Creighton's game plan they said was to let Juan have his shots, make him beat them hom & KJ.

@approxinfinity I would like to stick them in a portal to disappear.

Should play better in the 2nd half, admittedly a low bar.

This will count on them coming back to earth. Got down by 10 early and stayed there. Not a good sign for games I've watched this year.

@approxinfinity

We got like 11 more road games where it will be much the same. Then there's always a game at home or two where it's the ref show

@BeddieKU23

Yep sad to say.

@kjayhawks No one else can throw it in the ocean

Kj and hunt are badddd tonight

Let’s see how tough we are for this second half

We aren’t the number one team but we should be top 10

Auburn, tenn, Bama are

They have eight turnovers to our two.

Geez McDermott really said he wants 3 to shoot

Huh he must know something that Bill doesn’t

They have 1 more made basket plus 6 FT’s vs our 8 more missed shots total

So, regardless of how this game ends, there probably needs to be a reality check on the season to date. KU's marquee wins are looking a bit less glossy...UNC is just 4-4 and just got whipped on their home court by a 2 loss Alabama team. We held on to edge UNC at home. Duke and MSU each have two losses. Auburn is rolling Duke early.

The first half of this game? Mayo is the only one who is playing like he belongs on the court. Creighton dominating on the boards. Shooting 50%+ Storr??? 1-4; 2 pts and 1 RB. KJ and Hunter much the same.

Self still doesn’t have an answer for when teams sag off Juan

Or when they sag off Kj

Or how to guard an effin ball screen with an unathletic 5 man that’s been in the system for now his second year

What is he even watching????

@kuballin10 said in Cretins From Craytin Game Thread:

Geez McDermott really said he wants 3 to shoot

Huh he must know something that Bill doesn’t

No one is gonna touch this one

Y’all ssaawwwwfftttt

3uan

Keep shooting juan

Juan is nasty!

@Crimsonorblue22 amen gotta be a threat

Now that’s a tough response boys!!!

How u like that, blue jays?

Did you see that turd #1 trying to get a call?

Perhaps some hopey

@Zabudda he's an old man

@BeddieKU23 hopey, dopey okey dokey

Dam I go to taker care of business in the little boys room right before 2nd start -- - come out and we hit them with a 7-0 lick. Whaaaaaaa ?

@Crimsonorblue22 I kinda like #1 turd😁

@SlimShaddy54 stay in there

Storrs shot was another where we had no rebounders

That looks like that hurt.

Self has to sit storr. Got caught just standing there

9-3 foul count now. Might be closer score if that count was more even.

Hunter chasing a guy 30 feet from the bucket hedging

Wth Bill

3 fouls on KJ in 3 minutes...

Can't win against these refs.

Zeke stay w/him

F these refs

Mayo play some D

Zeke was too pissed because he got hacked again

Do we have to be on the fucking floor bleeding to death to get a foul call in this one?

Espn saying someone got a technical

Well the refs just gave a us a huge kick in the nutts.--- If you can't steal a teams Momentum one way by golly we will another way screw those idiots

@patoh3 said in Cretins From Craytin Game Thread:

Zeke was too pissed because he got hacked again

Crazy no call, he was clearly hit I thought

I try not to blame the refs but they are making it really hard

@BeddieKU23 said in Cretins From Craytin Game Thread:

Espn saying someone got a technical

Bill

Bill needs to get the T pretty soon, cuz this is BS

OK, there it is

Self got T'd up

Good times

@SlimShaddy54 said in Cretins From Craytin Game Thread:

Well the refs just gave a us a huge kick in the nutts.--- If you can't steal a teams Momentum one way by golly we will another way screw those idiots

So, I'm not defending the calls or lack thereof, but there is a season long pattern. We have one FT attempt this game. We are not consistently not getting to the FT line - home, neutral courts, or now on the road.

Just like Gurly said watch make up calls by the Ref

Big bucket clemence

Here we go. Buckle up boys. Load the wagon.

These no-calls will be featured on Bad Sports Refs.

This is the zz top line up

Not the shot we need juan

Storr can't buy one tonight.

@wissox I would like to buy 1 or 20.

Good box out flory

Pop can’t miss tonight.

I love how flory is guarding

Zach is balling

@patoh3 ughhhhh

we're getting good shots... geeze

Storr getting closer to buying 20

TRAVEL you putz refs

Big shot storr

Very sick of Pop Isaac’s pick up ball hero game

@approxinfinity he is 8/9.

Think pop did something bad at TT

Kalkbrenner tried a flop. No dice.

Hard to believe but Clemence actually given a little spark

@approxinfinity said in Cretins From Craytin Game Thread:

Very sick of Pop Isaac’s pick up ball hero game

3 years running against us

@approxinfinity yeah, I don't think I could stand to have a hero guy like that at KU

Seems like Zach's handle has improved and he looks quicker tonight.

That lineup is one to save for later. It didnt suck

Let's give Zach some credit. He was first guy back on D every time and snagged some big boards

Juan 17 shot attempts, 2-9 from 2 and we are in the game is insane.

And yes Zach has played well..

He didn't do dumb stuff

Ugh

Why are we not dropping a guard down to snag that high dribble BS

@DanR easy money

Good grief ref your so blind

15-5 foul count now. In 30 minutes of game time they've called 5 fouls on that team. The refs ought to be investigated makes me laugh every time I read it. Who's gonna investigate them?

This lineup has not been good, so let's see how it goes

Please stop putting Hunt up top for the easy dunk!

I'm gonna keep watching, stop chatting. I get too negative and pissed off. Hopefully we come back!

No foul?

That's it for me

Ash worth is awful to watch. Very hateable

@patoh3 said in Cretins From Craytin Game Thread:

Please stop putting Hunt up top for the easy dunk!

If you’re going to do it start trapping the ball.

Can't finish at the rim is catching.

Getting our asses kicked might not be the worst thing this time of year.

Still plenty of time though. LOL

KJ brick hands

Zach has been our best big tonight

Apparently we needed a wake up call

so, let's put concrete shoes Hunter back in

No offensive rebounding is a killer.

we just sucked tonight. Plain and simple. Bad D. Awful O.

Bad shot choices. Easy misses. Nobody getting to the rim.

can't hit shit good grief.

@DanR You need a good foundation if you are going to lay bricks.

Hunt is the worst rin protector in the country that is also a legit 7-footer. Total defensive liability

Respectable 40% from 3. But, 14-42 from 2 is not....

Pop Issacs is just easily the best player on the floor tonight. We didn’t bring crap on either end and had an unfriendly whistle. Whether we needed it or not this is a wake up call.

No boarders

Mizzou next?

The last two years we had good teams but couldn't shoot and it was our demise. I'm trying to find something good to come out of this.

Hunt is getting a lot of money

I'd love to see the offensive stats while hunt was in tonight. He deserves to have a bad game once in a while, but it seems like he really dragged everyone down with him more than usual tonight

@kjayhawks said in Cretins From Craytin Game Thread:

Pop Issacs is just easily the best player on the floor tonight. We didn’t bring crap on either end and had an unfriendly whistle. Whether we needed it or not this is a wake up call.

I really wish there was a bright spot from this game other than finding out Clemence is serviceable in a pinch.

Nothing good to point to.

We have 12 more shots than Creighton.

Don't play well against a zone. We learned that for sure

Their top 3 scorers have outscored our entire team...

We know this team needs to score 80-90 to win, so this is not a surprise, IMO

@DanR Hunt has a -13 on +/-, KJ is -19.

Yeah 23-67 is putrid and won't win many games

@patoh3 what's zach's?

+5

Well it's like this , this is one game in a long Season, road games are always a bitch. Like was discussed earlie every team KU plays is going to take an extra hit. No doubt got work to do - -lots of work

Storr is about as useful as shit flavored lolly pop

Count 5

Want more Flory less Hunt.

Play kease and flory

If we can’t win on the road again that will say a lot

Bill’s defensive philosophy tonight sucked

Stop pop and let all others beat you

Playing 2 bigs when Hunter can’t move ain’t good

I’m sure things will come out he’s still “hurt”

Storming the court means we're good. I like it.

@DanR Increased to +9. 2nd best was Flory at -2

Issacs probably won't come close to 30 points in a game the entire the rest of the Season

@Crimsonorblue22 He’s a net negative because of his defense

Seeing now why his teams never amounted to anything

Go get athletes

Hard to be mad at Mcdermott. Seems alright.

Hmmm. Not great but I'm not too concerned yet. If this happens again I will hit the panic button but for now I will attribute it to a simple case of us missing bunnies and them raining threes.

@kuballin10 said in Cretins From Craytin Game Thread:

If we can’t win on the road again that will say a lot

Bill’s defensive philosophy tonight sucked

Stop pop and let all others beat you

Playing 2 bigs when Hunter can’t move ain’t good

I’m sure things will come out he’s still “hurt”

Meh. We were red hot the previous two games and due for a bad shooting game. Team also has a flu bug running through it. I'm not overly concerned but yes we should of had someone other than AJ on Pop.

It's one thing to lose to a good team on the road, but they basically dominated. 10pts combined from Hunt and KJ. Like that Juan has been looking to score more, but 21 shot attempts!?

I've said this & said this in this type pace of a game Dickinson is worthless he is just way to dam slow

I honestly feel like as I said earlier in the year we need to stop playing 2 bigs a team that can hit the long ball will smoke us. Just one game early in the season. The switching defense just doesn’t work with a big like Hunter. Juan should never shoot the ball 21 times in one game

Bush league fans. 35% from the floor.
Wasn't our team on the floor tonight.

We also shot horribly on lay-ups tonight. Those kind of things will happen from time to time. If we follow this up with a stinker at Missouri that will be concerning.

Yeah “they defended without fouling”. Sure.

We have to play a bit better, but... good god, the officiating.

This one was largely orchestrated.

@bskeet criminal.

Wonder who these guys were rooting for?

@approxinfinity said in Cretins From Craytin Game Thread:

Yeah “they defended without fouling”. Sure.

!alt text ↗

@BShark Pop scored on juan all night off switches and Mayo

Flu does suck

Bill needs to play 4 guards but he’s stuck thinking we are in the early 2000’s and that isn’t allowed

He’d also claim we can’t rebound with 4 guards which tells me he isn’t accurately viewing the 5 he’s playing most

Had to block the bozos again. Tried to give a fresh chance, but it's boring and I have zero energy for it.

@BShark We don’t attack we think to “learn” the system

Self’s said this multiple times

Tries to break guys down versus just Pearl’ing it

Not a word last game, but blowing tonight

four shots and two of those four were three point attempts from your starting seven footer that was suppose to be in charge for player of the yr in the Big twelve.

In these types of games with this type of pace he might as well just draw water for the guys on the floor -he was absent doing basically zelch, he is SLOW like a sloth

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Cretins From Craytin Game Thread:

Not a word last game, but blowing tonight

Very dull indeed. Only waits for the bad performances. This was our "D" game, get a few of those every year. They will be better.

!alt text ↗

Game looked worse than it was, not that some will care. Make or miss game obviously.

From the other board… what say you all

I'm starting to think this is Selfs fault. He kets Harris do anything even at the detriment if the team
And them doesn't let other more talented players figure it out

@BShark I’m more disappointed and concerned with the defense than offense. To quote Billy Hoyle “ Sometimes the ball just doesn’t go in the hole” . I think we could survive poor shooting with good defense or a friendly whistle. Not many teams survive all 3

Well Bucketeers, these games — few and far between as they are — suck. But they suck less because I am part of this community.

Appreciate all of your perspectives and insights.

@kjayhawks AJ Storr is very uninterested on D and Diggy is tiny. Rylan is at least engaged.

@BShark Griffen is definitely the better of the 3, Storr needs to be sat down for a while.

@kjayhawks Our D has been like this with Hunter and zero adjustments by Bill

@approxinfinity Orange jumpsuits.

@patoh3 White collar crime.

@kuballin10 said in Cretins From Craytin Game Thread:

From the other board… what say you all

I'm starting to think this is Selfs fault. He kets Harris do anything even at the detriment if the team
And them doesn't let other more talented players figure it out

I’m honestly not a 100% sure what Bills game plan tonight was, obviously it wasn’t executed well. He still is trying mold these guys and shape this team. I definitely don’t like that Coit, Juan and Storr shot 61% of our FG attempts in the game. Hunter wasn’t given hardly any post touches tonight nor Flory or even KJ for that matter. Our highest percentage shooters only got 11 shots up. Thats just not going work against a good team. I don’t think Juan took any terrible shots but that’s what teams will do to him. Bait him into taking a ton of shots and his career FG% isn’t great for a guy that shoots mostly runners/layups in the lane.

Other positive is we won’t be #1, which you all know I think being ranked #1 especially in March is cursed lol

Not going to bag on individual players here. This is on Self. He recruited players to fix the issues of last year, but he is still using the same formula.

This needs to be reposted so much. Coming into today Storr was averaging 21 mpg and Griffen 20. We brought in top transfers to play half the game. Griffen started on a better Alabama team than us last year and went to the final four and he plays less here.

From tos and true

Bill ain’t maximizing the roster go figure

@kjayhawks That’s what I flat out don’t get

He’s playing the same D with Hunter for two years

He’s had frick 4 years with KJ and Juan offensively and still hasn’t schemed crap up to utilize them

You sag off those two and no offense can run

Bama, auburn, isu, Marquette would all run us off the floor and completely stifle our offense while just killing us on defense with pick and roll

@Crimsonorblue22 Yeah bs I had a whole analysis after the Duke game because I wasn’t in a spot to post during the game

Comical here no one comments on that but u all remember the negative real quick and block like weak sauce

It’s really true negativity sells and is remembered - pathetic

@BShark just like Bill tonight ur SAAAWWFFFTTT

@kuballin10 haters gonna hate. I appreciate the conversation starter.

@kuballin10 but i also agree that we played a shitty game: shots didnt fall, rylen was sick and several things went against us. We arent going to win all our games.

@BShark said in Cretins From Craytin Game Thread:

@kjayhawks AJ Storr is very uninterested on D and Diggy is tiny. Rylan is at least engaged.

I’ll tell you who is completely uninterested on D — Hunter. It’s not even an afterthought. It’s like he just doesn’t give a crap. I was screaming at him multiple times tonight. Loafer. Lazy. I desperately wanted him out of the game. I dunno how Self didn’t pull him a few times. Maybe would have given our offense a different look.

For the rest of it…crap. Nobody gets a passing grade tonight. I take that back. Clemence gets an A+. He was great.

We were outrebounded by a very large margin.

We were out-free throwed by a huge margin.

Self gets a triple F-minus tonight. Zero adjustment to get Hunter a shot, any shot. Very poor game planning and adjusting. That may be the most shocking thing tonight.

An all around clunker.

@approxinfinity said in Cretins From Craytin Game Thread:

Yeah “they defended without fouling”. Sure.

I did think our guards were afraid of contact all night. A LOT of floaters shot.

They sagged off on the pick and roll and dared our guards to shoot tough floaters/contested layups over length.

They basically took Hunt out of the game with this too.

Bill will get that fixed. This is also where Rylan and Storr will learn these are their games to shine. They are basically giving you a free driving lane right at the big man, and if they just go up strong it’s and easy bucket/foul.

This was a game you pencil in as a loss to start the season. Not concerned at all yet

Folks, I did everything I could to help.

I went to bed at halftime, just like I did during the UNC National Championship game.

Didn't work this time.

Wolp. Back to work for the boys.

Would rather lose this game than the Fizzou game

@Kcmatt7 said in Cretins From Craytin Game Thread:

They sagged off on the pick and roll and dared our guards to shoot tough floaters/contested layups over length.

They basically took Hunt out of the game with this too.

Bill will get that fixed. This is also where Rylan and Storr will learn these are their games to shine. They are basically giving you a free driving lane right at the big man, and if they just go up strong it’s and easy bucket/foul.

This was a game you pencil in as a loss to start the season. Not concerned at all yet

The issue with our guys is "just going up strong" to get a bucket or at least draw a foul. For reasons that escape me, our guys seem to be unwilling or incapable of doing that - a recurrent theme and not just this year. Juan had a dozen drives toward the rim - ZERO FT attempts. He always leans away from contact. Given the length of Kalkenbrenner, not suprising that he was the 3-12 on 2pt attempts. More frustrating is that KJ does the same. Go back and watch his drives - he does not drive into the body of the defender to draw contact. Also leans away from contact and throws up the ball. 2-6 on 2pt attempts and also ZERO FT attempts.

Eight FT attempts on 70 shot attempts - hard to comprehend. And, that is not simply bad officiating or getting jobbed on the road... We had half the FTAs as Furman at home, about half as many as UNC at home, significantly fewer than UNCW at home...

Jaun it is kind of understandable, he doesn't have the size/strength to bump a defender and still stay on balance to reliably finish his shot. Agreed it might help him a bit but I don't know that we want to rely on those plays for offense.

KJ/Storr though, 100% need to be driving and getting to the line more though.

First road test of the season, looked a bit rough. Just have to see if the team can learn from it since we'll have a lot tougher road games in conference play.

@kjayhawks Agreed, and honestly am ready to forget the loss if it means the team is more motivated this weekend and hangs an extra 30 pts on them

"So… maybe it’s time we start snorting down Hunter’s neck? lol

I guarantee everyone in here… the dude has another gear he isn’t giving us yet. I bet he doesn’t even know it’s there. If the guy can reach down deep in that huge frame and pull out another 10% of hustle, this team will become a National Champion again!"

I stand corrected.... two gears!

Last night was a lot like last year. Hopefully not too many more of them nights

@drgnslayr I```
I am getting really frustrated with Dickinson , like I have been saying on the defensive end he is total liability , no foot speed , gets burnt continually on pick and rolls, you get him in space he is SLOW we talking maple syrup slow.

This is suppose to be an All American I'm not seeing it yet anyways. Oh sure he can post numbers against lesser lights your Green Bay Wisconsin's , Arkansas -pine Bluffs Schools like that , he has very limited vertical , how many seven footers have you seen get their shot block multiple times by the rim ? -- what is his offensive rebounding stats ? - - Very limited , just unacceptable. I realize the whole fricken team sucks rebounding the ball offensively , but I mean come on seriously ? The guy is seven foot and what like 245 ? ---there is no reason for him to be getting shoved around and moved out, just piss poor positioning to get rebounding position .

Offensively last night was just insane the guy takes four shots the entire game- -FOUR he should have had that before the first break, but wait- --no he can't because he is just getting to half court when the teams are coming back the other way. out of the four he took two were from the three point line and missed of course -- and don't come at me with well he can make those - when ? sure maybe every other Friday he might make one. All he was doing last night on the outside was counting to see how many fans were in the seats I think.

The guy does not fare well when he matches up against similar players/ same stature - -- Creighton's Big did well against him, Hunter gets four shots last night scores SIX points- -SIX for GOD'S Sakes Flory plays as well as Hunter does in the limited minutes that he gets to play. I get it Flory is still green- yes Flory is still a Freshman , Flory is much more Athletic Flory makes mistakes sure he does So does Hunter , Flory just getting started , still learning, he is a Freshman. Hunter is in what his fifth yr ? - -Watch Flory develop he is going to be really good , a lot more Fluid , Athletic , quick off his feet, rim protector , Finisher , Defender- - yes for sure I think it's time for Hunter to stand up and take some accountability for his game , instead of just kicking back and counting his NIL money

Upon further reflection, i stand by two things i said last night.

-- That was IMO the worst coaching night i can recall by Bill Self. This loss is mainly on him for absolutely not adjusting to give his team a chance to win. That shocks me given he's in the HOF.

-- Hunter remains lazy and slow. But he can score down low when he gets position for sure. But we could have still kicked it in to him so he can pass out. he's got those skills. This again falls on Self for not making it happen.

Dajuan took lots of shots, but if you're a long time watcher, you can see most WERE NOT his usual shots. he was reaching/trying too hard at more awkward angles than usual because of the crowded lane.

That's where others needed to step up and drive the lane and dunk on somebody's head to either make them change defensive strategy or draw a freaking non existent foul. This has to change. we have to get to the line more.

I have had moments of praise for Zeke so far this season, but i've also had some concern. I don't know how to describe the concerns though. What is it? aggressiveness? Effort? Skill? None of the above?

I realize it's just a loss, but there were things that seemed very broken last night. Hope they can be fixed.

@rockchalkjayhawk That was Creighton's main game plan was , they were going to make Juan beat them by focusing on him having to take the shots - -- taking others shots away and let Juan shoot. He tried he really did, it's hard to point a finger at just one last night cause plenty to go around for almost everyone

@SlimShaddy54 said in Cretins From Craytin Game Thread:

@rockchalkjayhawk That was Creighton's main game plan was , they were going to make Juan beat them by focusing on him having to take the shots - -- taking others shots away and let Juan shoot. He tried he really did, it's hard to point a finger at just one last night cause plenty to go around for almost everyone

Yea, I am in no way pointing a finger at Dajuan. He gamely tried.

I understand Creighton’s game plan. What I don’t understand was Self’s inability to adjust.

@rockchalkjayhawk I know buddy , I hear ya

@rockchalkjayhawk said in Cretins From Craytin Game Thread:

Upon further reflection, i stand by two things i said last night.

-- That was IMO the worst coaching night i can recall by Bill Self. This loss is mainly on him for absolutely not adjusting to give his team a chance to win. That shocks me given he's in the HOF.

-- Hunter remains lazy and slow. But he can score down low when he gets position for sure. But we could have still kicked it in to him so he can pass out. he's got those skills. This again falls on Self for not making it happen.

Dajuan took lots of shots, but if you're a long time watcher, you can see most WERE NOT his usual shots. he was reaching/trying too hard at more awkward angles than usual because of the crowded lane.

That's where others needed to step up and drive the lane and dunk on somebody's head to either make them change defensive strategy or draw a freaking non existent foul. This has to change. we have to get to the line more.

I have had moments of praise for Zeke so far this season, but i've also had some concern. I don't know how to describe the concerns though. What is it? aggressiveness? Effort? Skill? None of the above?

I realize it's just a loss, but there were things that seemed very broken last night. Hope they can be fixed.

Yeah it was a weird game from Bill. He cares about some games more than others. The fact that he put in Zach had me speechless and told me a lot.

The flu is running through the team, I think that was a factor with Hunt as he looked lethargic even by his standards.

Creighton definitely invited KU to shoot midrange shots over their length, good gameplan.

Zeke hesitates too much I feel.

@BShark said in Cretins From Craytin Game Thread:

@rockchalkjayhawk said in Cretins From Craytin Game Thread:

Upon further reflection, i stand by two things i said last night.

-- That was IMO the worst coaching night i can recall by Bill Self. This loss is mainly on him for absolutely not adjusting to give his team a chance to win. That shocks me given he's in the HOF.

-- Hunter remains lazy and slow. But he can score down low when he gets position for sure. But we could have still kicked it in to him so he can pass out. he's got those skills. This again falls on Self for not making it happen.

Dajuan took lots of shots, but if you're a long time watcher, you can see most WERE NOT his usual shots. he was reaching/trying too hard at more awkward angles than usual because of the crowded lane.

That's where others needed to step up and drive the lane and dunk on somebody's head to either make them change defensive strategy or draw a freaking non existent foul. This has to change. we have to get to the line more.

I have had moments of praise for Zeke so far this season, but i've also had some concern. I don't know how to describe the concerns though. What is it? aggressiveness? Effort? Skill? None of the above?

I realize it's just a loss, but there were things that seemed very broken last night. Hope they can be fixed.

Yeah it was a weird game from Bill. He cares about some games more than others. The fact that he put in Zach had me speechless and told me a lot.

The flu is running through the team, I think that was a factor with Hunt as he looked lethargic even by his standards.

Creighton definitely invited KU to shoot midrange shots over their length, good gameplan.

Zeke hesitates too much I feel.

Ahh, hesitation. That may be it!

We're doomed.

C'mon football season! 🏈

@nuleafjhawk

lol! Comment of the day!

HERE IS MY GUESS AS TO WHAT WENT DOWN -

I had just recently mentioned how Self looked so good... he was pacing the sidelines and barking out instructions with great energy!

This game... it was that other Self from the past. Just sitting almost the entire game and small talk with assistant coaches.

This game was used as a lesson.

My bet... the boys were getting a little too top heavy in the head. Thought a little too high of themselves. Self needed this moment to educate them... including Hunter. So he basically kicked back and watched the game, leaving them on their own, knowing full well they were going to get their butts handed to them.

And now the criticisms pour in! Not only in fan base groups. Podcasts, and other media... lambasting... mostly Hunter! There are always a few reserved for KJ and Juan.

It's all fuel for the fire!

Boy, I remember the fuel truck that pulled into the big campfire lit when we got smoked by UK on our own court in 2022. That fire blazed all the way through April and finally ended at our National Championship parade on Mass Street!

KUSPORTS basically bailed out Hunter, saying it was all because they sunk in on him. Funny... because only ONE KU player had a positive +/-... Zach! He was the only player that brought energy!

Interesting, we played the exbo game on the road against Calamari minus some dudes and they didn't bring it that day.

Neutral site games against Mich St, Duke they brought it, home against UNC easy up game.

Road game minus Griffen and they didn't bring it. If they don't bring it on the road Sunday that's a problemo.

We'll see how this team responds. Kudos to McDermott, he had the better gameplan and execution. Pops had his 3rd year super bowl performance against us. Kid we recruited, he obviously has a chip for some reason with us.

@drgnslayr

Hopefully a good lesson is learned. We have I think two back-to-back road game sequences in conference play so this game against Missouri will be interesting to see the response.

On Hunt, he tends to play poorly in games like the Creighton one. Averaging 10 ppg in his last 5 games. In losses at KU he's averaged 14ppg. As the "top dawg" on this team he doesn't usually bring it when things don't go well. Not just scoring either but no need to say further.

@drgnslayr Hmm. Interesting. In case you don't already know, I've always liked and respected you. I may be misunderstanding this post though. Are you saying that Self didn't really coach to the best of his ability this game on purpose? Like, just let them play and see if they can figure it out? I mean, that's a possibility. If it were true though, I would have zero respect for him. Let them figure out how to come back from looking like complete morons by listening to good coaching - that would elevate him and the team. I don't know. It's early. I'm gonna go get some coffee....

@nuleafjhawk

Not completely like that... but did you notice he wasn't on the sidelines being all animated like he was in past games?

This was a game where the fellas really needed a charge from the sidelines. He seemed absent to me.

I have a lot of faith in Self. If he did this... they needed it. I've seen other teams we've had that barely lose any games all year then flop in the tournament. I don't think our guys are so big headed... but maybe they just aren't progressing as quick as he would like them to. Maybe.

We are coming up to XMas break... lots of extra practice... and the coaches need plenty of things to hammer these guys on!

This is my theory... Ask me what is the best bait to catch alligators. It's chicken! lol

My backseat coaching is pretty comfortable. Big huge ol' lazyboy recliner without a single person questioning my ideas while I spew them during games. lol

Whats more important, career win 807 or a valuable lesson? I have agreed with you for a long time on this @drgnslayr

I was pretty shocked the 2nd half comeback fell apart. We blitzed them early in the half with some good defense leading to easy bucket run-outs. Then as frequently happens, but not to us too much, the comeback halted after we climbed to within 1. Lots of energy spent to get it close, A lot of self satisfaction 'we did it' and we just let up very quickly and got blitzed shockingly fast.

The part of the game I didn't like was DaJuan. Huge supporter of the young man but he just kept shooting. SoloBall was introduced in the game thread early on and I felt DaJuan was playing Solo Ball. I'm surprised Bill didn't try to reign him in. Maybe that's part of Selfs lesson he was trying to teach.

@wissox

I think Juan was very frustrated in this game. I'm certain of that.

He's used to there being more options. Hunter in the paint? Didn't happen. KJ pick and roll? Nope. Juan drive and feed? They did a good job of clogging the passing lanes.

So Harris would make the drive, do what he always does (commit in the air to doing something but not sure until the last second), then not having a good option except shoot it. They dared him to shoot it. He did! His cold shooting was because he was outside of his process for getting to that point of hitting a shot.

McDermott is a great coach. I've always respected this guy.

Still... there are all kinds of lessons to be learned from this game. I'm glad we lost. Best we face some of these things now on xmas break instead of later, like in Feb/March!

Now that's over... we better thrash Mizzou! Send those hillbillies back to the woods in shame! lol I don't even think there are hills in Mizz... lol

I'm not sure what to think about the Mizzou game. BPI has it as a high rated match up with KU by 5 points. They have played a pretty weak, understatement, schedule but seem able to score at a high rate. It will be interesting to see how the team responds and how we respond too. Is the downright hatred still felt? Probably not but there would be another court storming if things don't go as I want them too.

@Zabudda

The hatred is still there in the fan bases... probably not the players unless there are a few local players on the team. Maybe Zeke feels it. Juan is from mizzery. I'm not sure how he feels about it. But fans like to inject the emotions into the players. Guess we will see. You can bet the crowd will be going nuts.

I'm not feeling optimistic... but I do think Self will sell the importance to the team!

@wissox Juan is the most unselfish guy on the team. He knew they'd play him that way, coach told him to take those open shots. Juan said he couldn't get them to fall.

@Crimsonorblue22 none of his shots were “bad” but we don’t want or need him taking 20 plus shots if we are being successful. Credit to them for playing solid defense.

Pop Isaacs out for the year, having surgery on his hip. Fried us (AJ Storr) on a bad hip unreal.

Aj out too?

@BShark

Sorry to hear he's hurt. Having his perfect game and going down would be frustrating. Any momentum we found he squelched over and over and he was a freak that day.

It's December, Self isn't emptying the bag of tricks this early in the season. This is also a team we'll have the potential to see again in March so why show everything? Also being shorthanded with the guy out being the key piece to countering Creighton's defense because of his shooting meant Self likely knew this would be a long game.

Also, did the Creighton game really expose anything that Self didn't already know about the weaknesses of his team?

Losing sucks and brings out the worst of this fanbase, but there wasn't anything shocking going on here. KU played a good team short handed that exploited a known weakness. Self isn't going to show what his counter to that strategy is in December, especially without Griffen available.

He must've been jacked up if it was that bad. Just read it on espn. Guess it was bad last yr.

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Cretins From Craytin Game Thread:

Aj out too?

I'm saying AJ played horrible defense against Creighton, in particular Isaacs. Hand down man down.

@BShark I think Zeke could do a better job too! Not switching or to much watching.

@BShark Go rewatch the tape and let me know how often Juan was on Isaac’s

@BShark

Caught standing too much not in defensive stance as well. His motor is way too hot and cold for my liking on defense. But we all knew this when he signed what we were getting...

I'm bad luck now, we need a @wissox game thread for Missouri

@BShark he's probably at church, try again! Get it off your back!

@Crimsonorblue22 oof. You are bad luck too :)

@BShark @Crimsonorblue22 LOL, Was thinking about that! I was in Minnesota meeting my new granddaughter. Wanted to listen to the Jayhawker podcast on way home about Grimes leaving and they'd already put up a podcast about the game. Spared me from having to watch it when I got home which was just now. I'll see if I can get us back on track next game!

@wissox congrats, we both have new gdaughters! 💐🥰🙏

@Crimsonorblue22 Oh congrats too! Mine was born Thursday.

Nov 19, due dec 5