Here we go fellas and ladies!

KU 70. Frogs 59.

KU 69

TCU 64

Love the title!🏀🏀💙❤️🌾

Let's make the venue Phrog Allen Fieldhouse tonight

Good guys by 7

KU 83 - 63.

I expect Udeh to play extra hard tonight. I really liked him

Me too

KU - 66 TCU - 59

I hope Hunter can hit 60% of his going forward. We are one of the best defensive rebounding teams and thus one of the best limiting 2nd chance opportunities. Our defense is solid FG% and 3pt% are limiting teams we play. We need to hit a couple more 3 pointers per game ourselves and this and Hunt being more efficient would get us 2 seed.

Flory has a nice stroke at the line

Slips and falls and it's a foul

Lazy, sloppy pass from dajuan

More lazy slop

Lol

Wow zero energy again, living up to the lazies nickname I’ve gave them

Would be wonderful if we played a lineup where more than one guy can make a jump shot

ROUGH start.

I made a typo on my score prediction. KU 7-TCU 59.

@BShark It's brilliant insights like that make you so appreciated on this board!

We're gonna get that one guy commenting in record time if we keep this up.

Their guy makes his 2nd three. Of the season. We've seen that before this year in a loss. Geez.

Well his favorite guy 2 turnovers and a missed 3 in 4 minutes of play

@wissox said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

@BShark It's brilliant insights like that make you so appreciated on this board!

anaylsis

Second made three of the year for an opposing player is very typical too

The 40 minute shambi and fran how to beat kansas show

Udeh is light years better than Flory or KJ

Our defense might as well just take a lap

Great defense

What time is that USMNT game again?

Good job bill getting this squad ready to play

I don't know what has happened to Bill Self. He almost seems like he's quit coaching.

Double digit deficit. Again.

My prediction on another site was TCU by 15 because lack any type of heart or aggression on the road.

Yeah that's not going to win any games

Can we just play Bidunga? Jesus

Another awesome black hole shot by storr

This line up can't defend a high school team.

Can we trade Storr?

This offense can't score on high school teams either

@Texas-Hawk-10 cant score either.

This team is baaaaaaaad

Looks like another break in the schedule for TCU playing Topeka YMCA

@dylans said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

Can we trade Storr?

Does somebody want him???

Flory! Flory! Flory!

Wow Griffen with a great play

Hustle by the frosh leads to points.

This against a 10-7 team...

@DCHawker said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

@dylans said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

Can we trade Storr?

Does somebody want him???

Might be able to get a bag of chips or a used ball or something of equal value.

Amazing. Flory comes in and we get off the mat.

Wow, I hate these refs who never call over the back. I mean that guy reached right over diggy, covered him like a blanket to get the ball and the foul is on Diggy?

Has Dickinson even taken a shot? - Has he even got a rebound ?

@wissox yep, for a little thing we call blocking out.

@SlimShaddy54

He checked out 8 mins ago my friend

@dylans I know from the message boards in Madison they don't want Storr back. They laugh at him all the time.

@BeddieKU23 Kinda makes you wonder doesn't it

@SlimShaddy54

I stopped wondering about him.

@SlimShaddy54 He’s just here for the paycheck.

Topeka ymca mention! Fitting for this one

@BeddieKU23 You missed my mention of it!

Yes self play the black hole some more

@wissox said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

@BeddieKU23 You missed my mention of it!

Frans watching buckets board on his phone

Storr extended the forearm, it's gonna get called every time regardless of whether it was a legit foul or not.

Yeaaah Flory!

Awesome block!

Some uh uh uh defensive issues #analysis

Didn't rebound so what's the benefit

There is a reason that Storr has played for 24 different teams in the past 3 years....

Flory is there every single rebound. May be out muscled but now out worked

@BeddieKU23 said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

Didn't rebound so what's the benefit

Need to pop in some tape of Withey. Learn how to stat pad. Grab the ball and get a rebound and a block.

This is unwatchable.

Definitely a good game to let storr shoot 25 shots. Not like they are trying

TCU on an 88 point pace...

Geez , this is not a top 12 team - -this is not even a top 30 team--when does football start

KU won't hit 50

Mercy T.O.

@SlimShaddy54 said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

Geez , this is not a top 12 team - -this is not even a top 30 team--when does football start

6pm on Sunday :/

Anyone missing kj?

No rebounding, no scoring

@approxinfinity 1-Nil USA

Those kind of baskets just do nothing

@benshawks08 more then some people realize

May be the worst offensive team I’ve ever seen

And Houston up 58-21 over Utah early in the 2nd half...

Where was the charge on the shoulder into the chest?

@approxinfinity said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

What time is that USMNT game again?

They on tonight? Better DVR that!

@dmurban Worst three point shooting team I've seen for some time too

I’d like to revise my score projection…

😴

Also Flory running the floor and shielding for Hunter.

@rockchalkjayhawk said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

@approxinfinity said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

What time is that USMNT game again?

They on tonight? Better DVR that!

They're already playing

Look pretty good with Storr on the pine

@rockchalkjayhawk said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

@approxinfinity said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

What time is that USMNT game again?

They on tonight? Better DVR that!

Uh, I think he means switching as soon as it starts, and I agree....

Some life

HYes!!

@benshawks08 Can he score?

Flory the key, the glue, the heart.

Scoring just a little bow - - - NOW someone needs to teach how to play some defense

Juan got fouled but they didn't call it so like 5 missed shots later one finally fell and we're back in it.

Btw, this TCU team has been described as offensively challenged.

Grif’s 3 protested but fell anyways.

Seems like self told griffen to just shoot. Too bad it took till the end of january for that to be said

A game of runs

We have the carnival rim but Grif got it on the second try

@Crimsonorblue22 The look on Self's face is like he has the runs.

@DanR Don't say that to loud thereis some we know that will get upset you talking abour Storr like that lol-- just sayin

This may be the most important game / stretch of the year for us. Time for Bidunga and Rylan to prove to Self they need more minutes.

Are we sure this is actually AJ or does he have an evil twin?

@SlimShaddy54 said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

@DanR Don't say that to loud thereis some we know that will get upset you talking abour Storr like that lol-- just sayin

Who? I thought everyone here was disappointed with him

@SlimShaddy54 I think you're talking about me on Storr, but it's been a month or so since I've said anything nice about him. Not too hard to see he stinks here.

Udeh had a nice little walk there.

Good lord Fran

Flory

Flory!

Make some FTs and we're right back in this.

TCU kind of flat footed now

What would they do if they reversed the blocked shot call? The ball was loose. Just lose a possession? Not the best outcome.

Flory, Flory, Flory!

Yesssssssss

Flory has really great footwork to not violate the rules of basketball when he gets it underneath like that.

Crowd knows they’re going to lose

@DanR They're being very Christian like.

Flory took offense to “udeh is lightyears ahead of flory”

That floor ain’t Christian lol hurts the eyes

Yeah Flory!!!!

@approxinfinity said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

Flory took offense to “udeh is lightyears ahead of flory”

I’m glad he did!!

3 on flory

Flory is a beast

@wissox he should foul out every game. No excuse not to let him.

@wissox said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

3 on flory

Uh, not sure where I got that from. His 1st.

I wish we would get a loose ball now and then

This is what I was saying the other day about KJ being out could become a blessing in disguise for Florys development.

@wissox ha. I was proud of self for a sec for letting him play with 2. Reinsert pole.

you just got to work so dam hard when you start off and get down so much right off the bat, doing better were in the park anyways.- -Need to keep it with in 4-6 by half

It’s all fun with Flory and Hunt out there until they both get into foul trouble

@wissox I see it is 2nd foul.

@approxinfinity Is it 3? Thought I saw it on screen that he had 2, but then the ESPN box was trippin. Don't know what he has.

@StLJhawk said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

I wish we would get a loose ball now and then

But that would necessitate having players who actually want it more than the other team...

@DanR it will nice when KJ gets back, he will be a great energy guy off the bench.

@wissox Flory has 2 fouls

I’d be happy to have Zach available

@DCHawker said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

@StLJhawk said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

I wish we would get a loose ball now and then

But that would necessitate having players who actually want it more than the other team...

This is my problem with a senior led team, Juan and co needs to step up, lead by example and get on each other

@DanR said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

I’d be happy to have Zach available

Wonder what is going on there

Griffey and Storr combined 1-7, ouch

@BShark you’re the inside guy. What’s going on?

Flory playing with heart

Flory leading scorer right now.

Whoever wrote on here that Udeh is better than Flory or Hunt was getting caught up in the moment instead of thinking about it rationally

Hunter clogged lane

I wish Udeh was still with us though

@DanR said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

@BShark you’re the inside guy. What’s going on?

It's odd!

Nothings gonna warm bill’s heart like dominating udeh ;)

I’ll take a tie right now

TCU is out of sorts.

We make the stupidest turnovers sometimes.

And then play horrible defense.

Man, griffen is so bad

Least they didn't quit

Not missing starter KJ one bit.

@BeddieKU23 yes, gotta like that!

@BShark said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

@DanR said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

I’d be happy to have Zach available

Wonder what is going on there

Groin injury

I was wondering why we could score then realized 2 was out there

I'll take being down two considering the first 10 minutes.

Well we worked our way back in it. -- Give them a B for that. Need a better 2nd

It would be nice to do the 2nd half shutdown on defense.

Flory has +/- of +10 and AJ is -12.

@BeddieKU23 Once they started working Flory & Hunter things changed. - -TCU had eight offensive rebounds though. - -Flory 10 points - -7 rebounds - -and a steal

How cold did ya'll get?

@wissox We got to minus twelve here in Topeka

1-7 from 3, sure we wish had a trey shooter

@wissox Tuesday morning was -18 when I was up at 5 to go into work

@kjayhawks Nice! About 10 below here. Mom and Dad made -27 up Nort.

@StLJhawk yep that’s all we have needed for 2 years portal swings and misses. If this team had Gradey Dick or Svi look out

@wissox I’ve been sing tropical heat wave today was 25 out

Arguing with someone about the merits of Chris Beard. Total scumbag, but to do what he did at Tech and now he's doing it at Old Miss means that man can coach.

@kjayhawks said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

@wissox I’ve been sing tropical heat wave today was 25 out

When I walked out of school today same here, and it felt like it was 40.

The defensive effectiveness of Udeh blitzing screens is a bit concerning with Houston being our next game. I trust Bill to figure something out though.

Zeke, who is our 3 point sharpshooter, has only shot once from 3. Rylen is our only made 3.

@BShark I’m sorry but if you are expecting us to compete Saturday, you are in for a serious let down. I’d say Houston by 20 plus. They just play so much harder than us, they don’t let teams get loose balls and offensive rebounds.

I said this 3 games ago that we are the worst team at ending halves I can remember. Fumble bumble bumble. Good comeback though.

Flory we love you.

@Zabudda flory out, aj in. Not the same team to end the half.

Udeh has 5 points and 3 boards.

Looks like the place is only half full

Love seeing Self chatting up Flory.

First tie since the start?

Shot clock violation

A lead!! Wave the wheat Crimson!!

That away Moore

Nice Shak

Slop

Back to looking inept again.

Alright. Give Dajuan a breather

Harris is just getting abused

Big time 3

There’s our 3!point shooter.

Wow bad reffing there

Wow, a TCU guy goes racing out of bounds to save the ball and the ref awards them the ball.

@BeddieKU23 said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

Harris is just getting abused

Ya Harris is lost out there tonight on both ends

Juan with 5 assists, but 3 TOs and 0 pts. Just one of those games?

How is that TCU ball????

@BShark it’s the Christian advantage.

We are so Helter Skelter without Charles Manson not exactly smooth sailing but another bad/missed call. Good Hustle by Hunter on Shak's miss.

Can we survive these AJ Storr minutes?

I heard Harry Carry pronounce Kokomo backwards once.

Are Raf and Fran clones? Same bad taste in Mayo jokes if nothing else.

Storr what was that!!!

Storr sighted

Wow Griffen has zero effort there

How easily is Hunter sealed off? No rim protection at all. Its like hes looking for someone to box him out so he doesnt have to try.

TC left some points at the line tonight.

How does Hunter have 1.5 bpg? I expect that to fall off a cliff in conference play

@wissox said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

TC left some points at the line tonight.

Right guys taking them (for us) mostly

@approxinfinity said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

How does Hunter have 1.5 bpg? I expect that to fall off a cliff in conference play

7’2”

Lol

Might as well brick the shot twice in the same location

This is the stupidest thing I've ever seen.

Storr with double trey clanks

WTH Hunt!

@StLJhawk that was rylen

@StLJhawk I thought that was griffen

I like that.

AJ looked good there except the pass to rylens feet

Haha what the heck lol

I've never seen that in all my life.

Fran said something intelligent. We are looking for another scorer. And Diallo should get the T.

Double technical. Go to hell ref

lol what can even be said

Should be some fouls when the other three TCU guys started smacking IMO

My bad, I get them mixed up, their output is similar

God i miss when KU was good and we'd beat a team like this by 30

Flory time

Hunt probably exhausted himself and gave momentum to TCU.

Rylan is unplayable

Hunt sealed off again for easy drive

Not sure why Hint cam clearly get hit on the arm with o call repeatedly

Only Hunt can miss from 6”,lol

Dickinson got fouled on that drive. OOB call not given to us when it should have. 3 TCU guys jumped into that held ball crap no techs assessed. Not used to complaining about zebras at TCU but this has been bad this half.

@StLJhawk yeah i think bidunga is shooting 80%
For the season isnt he?

@BeddieKU23 said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

Double technical. Go to hell ref

Right call though. Both players were blatantly ignoring the refs whistle long past when it was first blown. That's the type of thing that left unchecked could easily escalate into some much more major later on. I actually agree with the refs on that one.

@BShark said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

Can we survive these AJ Storr minutes?

Went from +2 to -1. Not terrible, now get him out.

Need a bucket out the timeout. Thay bullcrap got the dead crowd into it

Sit hunt for a minute and not make this game about his dumb ass

@DanR need Hunts offense. Just dont pair him with AJ.

Good swish, AJ.

Get rekt Udeh

Flory swatting like Withey, love it

This team stinks at layups. Everyone else makes them but us.

You suck ref

OMG?

Are you kidding me!!!!

Foul? Gtfo.

refs insane

Karma three

Coit sighting.

Storr sighting too!

Storr making things happen

AJ doing good things with active hands at midcourt

Sarcasm font:: I TOLD YOU ABOUT AJ!

AJ way over Griffen tonight.

This might be Storr's best stretch of basketball in a KU uniform.

Energy and defensive plays for storr

Storr played some D, got rewarded with a putback.

@wissox said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

Sarcasm font:: I TOLD YOU ABOUT AJ!

LOL. God bless.

Man, I hope this is Storr getting rolling. Dumb long two, but stellar since then

Storr effort = good Storr

Refs are bad

Is that AJ ? -- is that AJ ?- - why yes it is, come on in fella welcome to KU

Man I wish AJ had stayed at Wisconsin!

Fouls 13 to 8? really refs?

Bill should be going up and just pumping up Storr and affirming him as he comes to the bench

Instead he just ignores him and the asst’s encourage him

It’s as if he just doesn’t like him…..he’s like this with a lot of dudes. Develops an opinion and will never change it and then treats them that way all season

Flory needs to play a lot more even when KJ is back

If Storr can play with this energy and effort all the time, he becomes that missing piece for this team to make a deep run.

AJ looking good… with Flory out there with him. Sorry, if my harping about how Flory makes everyone elses defensive shortcomings more palettable is tired.

Refs are bad, but KUs play will determine the outcome.

@dmurban Hahahaha you watch this team much all year or first time?

@approxinfinity

He's a stud

@wissox Too bad, he’s ours now! 😝

17 bench points without Flory? Good stuff

@approxinfinity said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

AJ looking good… with Flory out there with him. Sorry, if my harping about how Flory makes everyone elses defensive shortcomings more palettable is tired.

1000% NECESSARY CAUSE $10 dolla bill can’t recognize it

@kuballin10 there is no way Bill doesnt see it

The good thing about these refs - they don’t know what a foul is, so Flory can play extended minutes

@kuballin10 ebbs and flows. I turn it for stretches during the game for mental stability

Nice 17 bench pts.

6th year d2 still leaves his feet for passes and turns it over like a frosh

But yeah he’s so awesome cause $10 dolla bill says so

Dajuan is 100 percent awful today. Bad bad.

Shaktastic

@approxinfinity His minutes and rotations reflect otherwise…..so even if he sees it he doesn’t evaluate it correctly and views it differently than you and me

@wissox said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

Shaktastic

X2

Pg#1 right there……

If we played Moore, Mayo, Griffen, Storr and Bidunga we’d be a final 4 squad

@kuballin10 when KJ comes back i would be shocked if Bidunga isnt getting big minutes still

Boom Shaka laka

Wow. An athletic wing. Been a minute.

Finally storr

My request to play Rylan and AJ more has aged well.

Need AJ to keep playing like this.

Look how everyone else is doing stuff when we aren’t force feeding Hunter though. You were right @DanR

Storr is into it, finally!

THIS has to help AJ - --got to - -- this is what Coach and all of us has been waiting for

@approxinfinity said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

@kuballin10 when KJ comes back i would be shocked if Bidunga isnt getting big minutes still

Get ready to be shocked bro!

@rockchalkjayhawk Leaving his feet before he knows where he's passing. I think TCU's hustle is accounting for that a little bit.

KJ being out going to end up bringing this team together.

Love the 4 guards around Flory look man

@approxinfinity said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

AJ looking good… with Flory out there with him. Sorry, if my harping about how Flory makes everyone elses defensive shortcomings more palettable is tired.

I'm looking forward to him starting at the 5 next year brother

@rockchalkjayhawk said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

Dajuan is 100 percent awful today. Bad bad.

His worst game of the season.

Showing our athleticism.

Shak contributing - --Diggy helping out an thenwe finally got AJ- - proud of him , got to boost his confidence

@approxinfinity said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

Look how everyone else is doing stuff when we aren’t force feeding Hunter though. You were right @DanR

So like when we don’t run the Bill Self offense which is get guards and then Chuck it inside to our bigs???

Bidunga should get the most minutes. He can play with Hunter or Storr. Both scorers. We cant pair Hunter and KJ because of rebounds and rim protection. We cant pair AJ with Hunt because Hunt clogs the lane and AJ is a slasher.

Defense has been great from our newbies!

This is how good Mayo has been for us. He's got 11 and it hardly feels like he's scored.

I know y'all won’t like this this but Juan Harris has been the worst guard on the floor between both teams tonight. Getting taken to the rack repeatedly and 4 turnovers. Following up is free throw brick city in Ames. Get his no account no athletic ability ass on the pine where he belongs.

We wish Morris was a national champ Fran.

We started slipping those blitz screens

@kjayhawks well. Self needs to trust Moore a little more. Shak showing up so Dajuan can be used less.

Nate Sims to Kansas

Refs been doing all they can for amphibians

Gotta give Shaq and his joy and cojones some credit during that run too

@approxinfinity said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

Bidunga should get the most minutes. He can play with Hunter or Storr. Both scorers. We cant pair Hunter and KJ because of rebounds and rim protection. We cant pair AJ with Hunt because Hunt clogs the lane and AJ is a slasher.

You need Self’s email?

Is that really what we want? Hunt screening at 3pt line for AJ to shoot a 3? Somehow i think not

Wedgie!

Boom shak shaka

God Shakgod!

@approxinfinity said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

Is that really what we want? Hunt screening at 3pt line for AJ to shoot a 3? Somehow i think not

Not that version of their two man game. Storr and Hunter running pick/screen and roll should be what they do in their two man game.

Juan better be sick or something

@BeddieKU23 said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

Juan better be sick or something

I am wondering if something was up. Going to ask later.

and after 15 minutes the refs call the 2nd foul of the half on tcu

@approxinfinity I said a few games ago by years end Shak will be better, he’s been much better tonight

@Texas-Hawk-10 what i was thinking as well. Not smart, zero rebounder

@approxinfinity moore proof for @Jhawk69……he trusts who he trusts even if it’s wrong

3 fouls now on tcu. Slow down refs

Backstorr cut

@approxinfinity Nice!

Finish it

@kuballin10 i mean you are saying these things but shak and bidunga are getting big minutes here

Storr's the leading scorer for KU now and KU has 5 in double figures.

Hunt got a whistle it’s all over now friends

Nice 2 man

Hunt and one! Haven’t seen that much lately

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

Storr's the leading scorer for KU now amd KU has 5 in double figures.

You love to see it

@BeddieKU23 Again.

Storr and Hunt showing something in that set.

@kjayhawks said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

Storr's the leading scorer for KU now amd KU has 5 in double figures.

You love to see it

Dickinson actually leading scorer, Storr second...

kinda nice having everyone contribute tonight instead of just Hunter and Mayo - I think I like that

Houston beat Utah 70-36 tonight.

@BeddieKU23 I’ve said several times we need to ride with both Storr and Griffen at times and see who takes off. We have to have one of them to make a run in March.

@DCHawker said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

@kjayhawks said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

Storr's the leading scorer for KU now amd KU has 5 in double figures.

You love to see it

Dickinson actually leading scorer, Storr second...

Not at the time of the post.

Perimeter defense and Flory changed this game in the 2nd half. This defense has great potential when they really put it together

all of the sudden these refs treating KU the way the refs treat Mahomes!!!!

@kjayhawks said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

@BeddieKU23 I’ve said several times we need to ride with both Storr and Griffen at times and see who takes off. We have to have one of them to make a run in March.

It’s definitely Storr imo. Griffen doesn’t seem like he will be any more than what he is right now.

@kjayhawks said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

@BeddieKU23 I’ve said several times we need to ride with both Storr and Griffen at times and see who takes off. We have to have one of them to make a run in March.

And preferably it would be Storr because he's the one capable of going for 30+ when he's on.

@BeddieKU23 said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

Perimeter defense and Flory changed this game in the 2nd half. This defense has great potential when they really put it together

We could be up by more. TCU guards have made some thought shots!

@Kcmatt7 said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

@BeddieKU23 said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

Perimeter defense and Flory changed this game in the 2nd half. This defense has great potential when they really put it together

We could be up by more. TCU guards have made some thought shots!

If we showed up the first 10 minutes we’d be having post game beers right now

Shooting helps too. 1-7 from 3 first half, 5-10 2nd.

This score is my game prediction. No one score now!

@kjayhawks

Tonight's version of Storr is what you paid top dollar for. He was always a key and can be but one game against a very average team isn't enough to trust. Saturday would be a good opportunity for him to play well again

Flory was the player of the game. Great to see the team identity driven by him when Hunt and Dajuan were sucking.

Why is that two shots?

Oh my this is just pathetic amateur league officiating

@BeddieKU23 said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

@kjayhawks

Tonight's version of Storr is what you paid top dollar for. He was always a key and can be but one game against a very average team isn't enough to trust. Saturday would be a good opportunity for him to play well again

He's earned more minutes on Saturday at least tonight and KU is going to need Storr to have a similar performance against Houston to be able to beat them.

@approxinfinity You'll love this stat. Flory is +27. Hunt is -2

But it was really bad pass down the court - clock is your friend. Just burn time...

@tundrahok indeed, keep the evidence coming :)

They tried to foul us that entire set and nothing called.

Juan drives into 4 guys, brick and then travels smh freshman or 5th senior?

17 TOs - 5 by Juan...

@DCHawker said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

17 TOs - 5 by Juan...

His play on the road this year has been unacceptable period

YES!!!!!!!! Had to have this one another road conference Win.

Juan - 4 TOs, 50% FTs, 1-6 FGs, not his best night, but still won comfortably

We have got to start coming out ready to play. Can’t keep getting down big early and fighting our way can

Defense in the second half was good effort.

Big win on the road for the guys tonight -- hanging tough

Ha, I was typing about Juan and then see 5 comments just like it

Flory had a double double. 1st one I believe.

Moore / Mayo / Storr / Bidunga / Dickinson.

Have we tried this lineup much?

Hell we shot almost 56 % from the field - - 80 % from the line - & out rebounded them by 5 - - -Flory had 10 points -- - 10 rebounds - -- 4 blocks- - & a steal

Udeh vs Flory Udeh 7 pts (2/6, 3/3 FT’s) 8 rb’s 2 assists in 34 minutes. 0 blocks, 5 steals, 2 TO’s.
Flory 10 points (4/5, 2/2 FT’s) 10 rb’s, 1 assist in 25 minutes. 4 blocks, 1 steal, and 1 TO

@patoh3 We traded up.

I hate to speak ill of someone injured but no way KJ comes back and plays 30 minutes a game if Bill is in his right mind. Sorry but Flory Bidunga is here and he needs minutes

OK, they settled down and took care of business. Liking the tough defense carried the day and decent 2nd half offense was enough. I think it was Vince Lombardi who said when playing bad just make the other team play worse. This one kind of felt like that. I really don't think TCU is very good. We were losing by 14, won by 13, so from about the 10 minute mark or whenever it was a 14 hole we trounced them by 27. Good teams do that.

Hunter still got to learn to walk away from stupid crap. Lucky that didn't blow up into an embarrassing talked about brawl. Not sure I liked the way that particular moment was officiated but still, Hunter is 24 years old and he let a freshman on a going nowhere team nearly cost us some playing time in this one and future games.

Not sure where this team is going to land in March. Could be another round of 32 exit, but obviously, enough talent and experience here to get much further.

It's doubtful AJ gets the minutes or points he had if KJ was healthy, but against an inferior opponent he found his groove but he was really bad in the first half. Wouldn't it be cool if Rylen and AJ could just keep subbing for each other and have them well rested providing instant O and enough D to make them one complete player?

Shak is one exciting player.

@Kcmatt7 said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

@BeddieKU23 said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

Perimeter defense and Flory changed this game in the 2nd half. This defense has great potential when they really put it together

We could be up by more. TCU guards have made some thought shots!

Allette is nasty man

@BShark said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

@Kcmatt7 said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

@BeddieKU23 said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

Perimeter defense and Flory changed this game in the 2nd half. This defense has great potential when they really put it together

We could be up by more. TCU guards have made some thought shots!

Allette is nasty man

Also an early transfer possibility last year but WHEW DRAMA

@FarmerJayhawk said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

@BShark said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

@Kcmatt7 said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

@BeddieKU23 said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

Perimeter defense and Flory changed this game in the 2nd half. This defense has great potential when they really put it together

We could be up by more. TCU guards have made some thought shots!

Allette is nasty man

Also an early transfer possibility last year but WHEW DRAMA

He'd have Bill back at KU med

This one showed what happens when you play Bill Self ball. You play unselfishly, you guard, you score.

AJ Storr 6 rebounds 3 steals was lovely to see. Idk if I posted about that yet.

@BShark said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

@FarmerJayhawk said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

@BShark said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

@Kcmatt7 said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

@BeddieKU23 said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

Perimeter defense and Flory changed this game in the 2nd half. This defense has great potential when they really put it together

We could be up by more. TCU guards have made some thought shots!

Allette is nasty man

Also an early transfer possibility last year but WHEW DRAMA

He'd have Bill back at KU med

Yeah when you get yeeted from Old Dominion for being a problem…

The big hope tonight is that the second half for Storr was the light coming on and not a one off.

Rylan is someone that if he's not making his 3's, he's not worth playing significant minutes that night because everything he does is predicated on him making 3's.

@Texas-Hawk-10 yeah 1-5 on really good looks. And he got abused on the boards.

@FarmerJayhawk he took one bad shot in the first half and you could see self tell him at the time out, if you’re gonna take that shot you gotta make it.

@approxinfinity said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

@kuballin10 i mean you are saying these things but shak and bidunga are getting big minutes here

Juan 35 minutes

Moore 24

Moore is pg1 but Self would never make that adjustment or ever even attempt to see it that way. His heads so far up d2 and kj @$$ he couldn’t fathom those two not starting and playing huge minutes

He claims he doesn’t want to play them as much but then constantly plays them and blames it on the “other guys” not delivering even when he yanks them at every minor mistake

Everyone can get their hopes up but in big games and in March D2 will be playing 35 mpg and kj will be starting the second he’s healthy and playing 30 mpg

Our best lineup is 100% what you said and NO Self has never thought to have that lineup on the floor.

He just plays Shak next to d2 all game and feeds @BShark info about “did you see how bad we are when Juan’s off the floor tonight”. Versus my response “did you see how BAD juan was on the floor tonight $10 dolla bill?”

Hard to see “consistent” production from Shak when he’s playing out of position at the 2 guard spot and only 20-25 mpg……it’s as if everyone who was a legit pg said no way in hell would I come here to sit behind $10 dolla bill’s “beloved d2”

Self: "I didn't think anybody other than Flory was worth a flip the first half."

Then, in the second half, "AJ was really good, he was terrific, and Shak was the best guard we had tonight. That was production that we haven't been getting consistently, so that was great to see."

@kuballin10 Juan played way too much tonight for how bad he was, think most logical folks would agree.

Best lineup: Shak, Zeke, Storr,Flory and Hunter

Lineup Self feels is best: d2, out of position 2g (moore), undersized 3 man (Mayo), 4 man who can’t shoot and isn’t guarded and Hunter

@kjayhawks everyone yet bill who refused to sit him

6th year senior looking like a freshman out there jump passing at the top of the key and he gets UNLIMITED LEASH

How everyone can’t see it is unfathomable

@kuballin10 so, while i have no idea if thats the best lineup because i dont know if we have seen it at all, even tonight.

But, its exactly the lineup i would like to see.

We finished the game on a 64 - 37 run in the last 30 minutes. That's dominance and after shooting ourselves in the foot. It's just silly to do that. We get a taste of how good we can be. Not there yet but all that bench scoring should have been in addition to Juan and Zeke's usual output.

Hunter Dickinson Highlights vs. TCU (16 Pts, 9 Rebs, 4 Asts)

AJ Storr Highlights vs. TCU (12 Pts, 6 Rebs, 3 Stls)

Flory Bidunga Highlights vs. TCU (10 Pts, 10 Rebs, 4 Blks)

This may be an unpopular opinion, but I FREAKING LOVED that Hunter held on to that jump ball! Love to see him get fired up.

Flory, Shak and AJ were incredible tonight. Really solid Hunter game too

Like the havoc Shak and Flory were causing defensively man…

@TYOHawk said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

Like the havoc Shak and Flory were causing defensively man…

Shak is like a defensive back reading the passing lanes.

Heres the story,

Of a man named Billy,

Who was bringing in 3 very high priced wings,

2 of them would play no D, just like Hunter,

The mean team age was old.

Heres the story,

Of a man named Flory,

Who could rim protect and run just like an elk,

He would do a lot of things in spot minutes,

But he was riding pine…

…. Insert verse 3 about circumstances leading up to TCU game …

Bidunga’s Bunch!

Bidunga’s Bunch!

Thats the way we became Bidunga’s Bunch!

@BShark said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

@TYOHawk said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

Like the havoc Shak and Flory were causing defensively man…

Shak is like a defensive back reading the passing lanes.

His POA defense as well…it had me speechless. Teaching tape at the next practice..my goodness

@BShark Shak is the athlete and d1 pg perfect for this team that bill thinks Juan has been for years

Shak is a better on ball defender, better off ball defender, quicker, better leaper and can get to the paint better than Juan

Shak struggles to score and shoot outside but he turns defense into offense

Shak is better than Juan but Bill will never see that or admit it. He will play Juan 32-35 mpg next to shak for about 25 of them…..and shak playing off the ball for all 25. He has diggy as that 2-3 minute guy replacing juan

Poor roster management and talent evaluation

@rockchalkjayhawk It just kind of played itself out. Diallo stepped in when he shouldn't have and it would have been over no biggie. I liked how we represented our selves during the dance. The refs didn't over react and we knew the double technicals for peace were coming. Could have been bad with stitches and all.

Dajuan has value cause he’s a better passer and catch and shoot guy than Shak. But I would like to see Shak as the primary backup when Juan is sitting instead of Diggy.

@TYOHawk said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

@BShark said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

@TYOHawk said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

Like the havoc Shak and Flory were causing defensively man…

Shak is like a defensive back reading the passing lanes.

His POA defense as well…it had me speechless. Teaching tape at the next practice..my goodness

Yeah, our defense has been better when we have Shak there instead of Dajuan. TCU definitely has some shot makers. They hit some tough ones last night. Just have to tip your hat on the one where the guy hit a fadeaway on Shak. Thought over all after the ABYSMAL start that we defended solidly.

@TYOHawk said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

Dajuan has value cause he’s a better passer and catch and shoot guy than Shak. But I would like to see Shak as the primary backup when Juan is sitting instead of Diggy.

Shak still messes up the sets a bit is why I assume Bill had been going with Diggy but I think you just need to live with that because it's a night and day difference in terms of their overall play.

I don't think to many actually thought our defense would be as it is. A lot of talk in the beginning of the Season that our defense would be an issue- -Now as it actually turns out, defense pretty salty. # 4 ranked defense they are saying, don't ask me where they are saying just from I guess others have seen- -thinking Kenpom- -that's not to bad

@BShark said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

@TYOHawk said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

Dajuan has value cause he’s a better passer and catch and shoot guy than Shak. But I would like to see Shak as the primary backup when Juan is sitting instead of Diggy.

Shak still messes up the sets a bit is why I assume Bill had been going with Diggy but I think you just need to live with that because it's a night and day difference in terms of their overall play.

Yeah I’d rather get Shak the on ball reps but I get why Self is going with Diggy. Self loves a security blanket

@BShark Man wish you could text Bill this because no way he’d believe it.

He’s so stuck on Juan he’d never not start him at point and forces Shak to play out of position.

Also, our defense didn’t miss kj last night and actually with kj I think we could lose that game because we wouldn’t have had the output from storr.

Winning 70’s to low 60’s is what top teams do……not win rock fights in the 50’s that Bill is obsessed over

@TYOHawk Dolla Bill’s near sightedness that has always got him. Shak should get all the reps even if he messes some sets up as it’s the best learning experience vs just in practice

I don’t agree d2 is a better passer or catch and shoot shooter than shak. Shooting they are similar especially if Shak knew he could shoot freely and not get pulled.

Shak actually has guys guard him versus d2 who is wide open and still hesitated to shoot or when he does clanks it 60% of the time.

If teams left Shak as open he’d easily shoot better

D2 struggles to beat his man off the dribble and his “great passes” are just swinging it around the top of the key. He also is abysmal on ball for the last two years. 1 out of every 20 games he comes out and D’s up his man but the other 19 games he is slow, disinterested and a horribly loose handle

@kuballin10 I know you think DaJuan is bad but do you really not think he is at least a good passer?

Dajuan and Shak should be a two headed monster at PG, with one of them coming in for Mayo if we need defense or if Mayo is cold.

Favoritism for Dajuan when Shak gives us energy is the problem.

But Juan is generally the better passer and runs Self’s action better.

Shak demonstrated he can get hot with his shot which was awesome. And his defense off ball is fantastic and on ball is formidable.

As long as minutes split going forward is about even and as needed, it will be fine.

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Conference only, including last night. Notably Diggy's minutes are going way down lately in favor of Shak which is a good decision. Flory should also play as much as possible, and even though Self will not I would play him as much as possible even when KJ is back.

I think i am ready to nerd out on advanced metrics. Can you DM me and tell me who I have to pay where to get some juicy data i can fiddle with @BShark ?

@approxinfinity I'll just mention some stuff here. Torvik is decent and free (what I used here). Kenpom and Evan Miyakawa are good ones that you have to pay for. They all kind of have their own specific metric for overall player rating that generally tells the same story.

Even though I have a sub for Miyakawa I still don't see a way to do conference only so for the sake of comparsion I'll post how Torvik and Miyakawa rate our players for the entire season.

Torvik

Hunter, Zeke, KJ, Juan, Flory, Rylan, Storr, Shak, Diggy

Miyakawa

Hunt, Juan, KJ, Rylan, Flory, Shak, Zeke, Storr, Diggy

Miyakwa not liking Zeke is interesting because whatever else you look at says he is good.

One of my favorite things about Miyakwa is line-up comparisons...

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@Jhawk69 I think his passing ability is heavily inflated because the majority of his passes are finding an open man because of something that created the open player that was not Juan related

Example:
Team doubles Hunter and he kicks it out to Juan who rather than shoot a wide open 3 swings it to storr or zeke or whoever and that guy hits the 3. Juan gets the assist but he did something you and I can do with a quick swinging of the ball around the perimeter

A true legit pg CREATES passing opportunities and sets up his teammates from HIS PLAY. Ie Frank drives it and drops it off for a dunk or drives and kicks out to an open shooter.

Has Juan done these things before - absolutely but if you tracked the majority of his assists they are routine ball reversal passes not a situation where Juan “made something happen”

We are unstoppable when Shak hits some treys, AJ plays D and O well, and Flory blocks/rebounds/scores… on top of Hunt’s standard double-double and ZEKE gets into double figures. Wow… 5 guys in double figures!

This all started when we turned up the D!

KJ should have to earn back his minutes! When he’s on it’s just adding in another warrior. When he’s off, he creates a monster hole on both sides of the ball.

From now on, Self better limit KJs minutes based on his production.

@drgnslayr Love KJ to death, he gives you 125 % but he is just limited , and I think unfortunately we all know that when KJ comes back he will be right back in there and playing 30 minutes - Coach has just got to get Flory more minutes- -so talented, active, can guard in open space legit rim protector, If KJ really wants to help the School he loves so much , he wouldn't have any problem coming off the bench and filling in for Flory & Hunter -- not gonna happen but it should

@SlimShaddy54 Flory is the only nba talent on the team and go figure Bill is holding him back for an upper classman who runs “his system” better in his mind

Swear we’ve never seen this before right @Jhawk69 it is a rarity for sure!

@kuballin10 No. Bill often chooses veterans over more talented younger players. He does so because he believes them to be better players at that moment in time, not out of stubbornness.

Flory and KJ both deserve minutes and they both play. KJ plays a little more, but Flory is often in foul trouble, so it is what it is.

Bidunga basically does everything KJ does and more. That makes KJ a logical backup.

They are not that similar.

Flory gives us better rim protection, rebounding, and post-scoring.

KJ gives us better perimeter defense, ball-handling, ball-movement, and the ability to defend without fouling.

Neither one gives us shooting or floor spacing.

I believe their minutes (and Hunters) should be based on who is playing well on a given night, match-ups, and foul trouble. Ideally they all average between 25-30 minutes. Who "starts" and who doesn't is completely irrelevant outside of pushing buttons.

@Jhawk69 KJ is shooting 50%, Flory is shooting 80%.

Thats difference is basically like if every shot KJ made was a 3.

I would argue Flory helps more with floor spacing. By being so long and active in the lane it forces the defense to focus on him more.

I would also argue that Flory can guard just about anyone KJ can and more.

Flory rebounds and rim protects better. I would say KJ does rim protect, but not nearly as well as Flory.

KJ is a better handler but that trait is limited because defenses can sag off him.

KJ doesnt foul as much but Flory seems to be improving in that department.

“Who starts and who doesnt is irrelevant” is just not true. It matters a great deal, as it impacts the flow of the game and it is a matter of confidence and pride.

I think we may need to dissect what is meant by pushing buttons. It isn’t trivial. Getting players to find their best selves is different from joystick coaching and neutering your players.

@approxinfinity It matters for pressing buttons. Maybe some players or combos play with more confidence with the label "starter". Maybe some players have a chip of their shoulder because they are on the bench. Maybe bringing a certain player off the bench can reinvigorate a team. But beyond that, it does not matter. If a good player does not start but still plays plenty of minutes, there is no need to panic about that player's role on the team.

@approxinfinity Got to say have heard many many times that it's not important who starts the game - -you need to look out see who is on the floor at crunch time when the game is on the line.

A lot of times you will have situational substitutions sub one player in when your on the offensive end , and then switch when your on defensive end- -I go with the it doesn't matter who starts- -Hell you go have Pee- Wee & the gang on the floor to start the game doesn't matter- -it's who the Coach feels more confident/better that's on the floor at the end of the game

@approxinfinity said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

“Who starts and who doesnt is irrelevant” is just not true. It matters a great deal, as it impacts the flow of the game and it is a matter of confidence and pride.

I think we may need to dissect what is meant by pushing buttons. It isn’t trivial. Getting players to find their best selves is different from joystick coaching and neutering your players.

I agree I really don’t care if KJ returns and hops back into the starting line up. But if KJ is still playing 30 minutes per game while Flory is playing 11-15 we have a problem between Bill Selfs ears. KJ can defend and be an energy guy maybe even more effectively if he’s not out there so long.

@kjayhawks said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

@approxinfinity said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

“Who starts and who doesnt is irrelevant” is just not true. It matters a great deal, as it impacts the flow of the game and it is a matter of confidence and pride.

I think we may need to dissect what is meant by pushing buttons. It isn’t trivial. Getting players to find their best selves is different from joystick coaching and neutering your players.

I agree I really don’t care if KJ returns and hops back into the starting line up. But if KJ is still playing 30 minutes per game while Flory is playing 11-15 we have a problem between Bill Selfs ears. KJ can defend and be an energy guy maybe even more effectively if he’s not out there so long.

KJ, Flory, and Hunter should all be between 25-30 minutes once KJ returns.

Enjoying these takes about starting.

@Jhawk69 there was a lot of grumbling on our game thread about our slow start yesterday. I think it does matter who you start with for several reasons:

Starters set the tone

They can either let the other team get comfortable or rattle them

They almost always get the most minutes and the most shots

They play against the other team when the score is 0-0 and everyone has the most gas they are going to have.

Tell Storr it didnt matter that he came in against ISU when we were down and ISU had gone on a run and their crowd was behind him. Clearly, those are different minutes than coming into a game where we are up.

Just like it matters that KJ was injured and Storr knew he didnt have a quick hook.

We can say until we are blue in the face that a minute is just a unit of time, but the context of that minute matters a great deal.

If it didnt matter, we wouldnt pull guys out when they got foul trouble. Why “save them” for later if a minute is a minute?

@Texas-Hawk-10 your gonna run a line up of 3 bigs for double digit minutes?

@kjayhawks No. There are 80 minutes per game available at the 4 and 5 spots. We have 3 players that rotate at those 2 spots. 80/3 is 26.67 if my math is correct.

@Jhawk69 said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

@kjayhawks No. There are 80 minutes per game available at the 4 and 5 spots. We have 3 players that rotate at those 2 spots. 80/3 is 26.67 if my math is correct.

You could play them each for 25 I think and not have them all 3 out there at once. Just don’t believe that’s a winning strategy in any stretch of imagination. Teams already don’t respect our game on the perimeter. If you played them all for 28-30 minutes they would have to have several minutes with all 3 on the floor together. Smells like a first round exit in March. AJ seems to have turn a corner, don’t think him playing less is beneficial. We wouldn’t be able to run 4 guards hardly at all in that scenario. Meaning less minutes for AJ and Zeke likely.

@kjayhawks I would like to play 4 guards, especially if AJ has turned a corner. My only concern would be that this team has practiced 3 guards all year

@approxinfinity Great points. I do agree that the context of minutes matters. My only disagreement is that I don't believe that having your best lineup out there for the first four minutes of the game matters that much. I am much more conerned about the last four minutes of the game or even the last four minutes of the first half.

@kjayhawks Bill committed to 2 bigs early on and is way too stubborn to switch now

He’d make the same excuse @Jhawk69 said below that they hadn’t practiced it much or ran it much in games all year

I’d point to Bill and say yeah frankamp hardly played point and got the quick hook all year long yet when Tharpe sucked against Stanford you randomly decided to give Frankamp a longer leash - why not do that more throughout the year???

Same with how he’s effed up this teams offensive potential. Storr and Rylan have had horrible moments no doubt but heck so do juan and kj who screw up all the time especially against top tier opponents.

Instead of going nutz and pulling storr and Rylan let them labor through it (hell we labor anyways dolla bill) and make mistakes but see how it can help in the long run

He’s always struggled to do that and not shocked it’s happened yet again this year. His roster evaluation and then maximizing the talent prioritizing offense over defense (he’s the opposite) has always been our downfall

@Jhawk69 said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

@kjayhawks I would like to play 4 guards, especially if AJ has turned a corner. My only concern would be that this team has practiced 3 guards all year

Doesn’t seem like practicing three guards is a real thing? We switch just about everything on defense. Same. KJ plays and defends on the perimeter. Same. Sometimes run the weave. Same. Ok maybe not so much the weave anymore! What would the difference be?

Either way I’m fine with four guards or non bigs.

I think we ran some great sets against the horny toads. Toss it inside, Hunter kicks it out to a shooter. Perfect. The way it should be. We got a bit lucky when Shak made his shots. Not so lucky when Dickinson has no choice but to kick out to Dajuan.

I don’t think there a perfect answer this year with personnel, as Self won’t change playing his favs. But I’d love to have a true shooter on the floor next to Zeke.

That kick out offense is ideal for Hunter both as a passer and post up player. More!

@approxinfinity

Don't stop with the Flory stuff, your spot on. Self knows it too, he has to. Your limiting your team if Flory isn't starting or playing 25 mins a game. He was a top 15 recruit for a reason and knew his potential and he's already exceeding it. This is a pivotal plot to follow. Flory won't be perfect every game but you stand a better shot against athletic front courts and defending the paint with him in the game to erase what Hunt isn't going to do. Not just this year but if Flory is here next year with Peterson, your talking about 1-2 combo that's going to be awesome to watch and impossible to stop

@BShark thanks!

@BeddieKU23 at this point, i hope Flory goes because it will mean that he was unleashed and took us deep in the tournament.

Side discussion idea: portal shopping for bigs… is hunter + flory a winning combo? We get 2 years out of someone like Hunter, can we reproduce this formula and get an extra bouncy big and a sloth scoring machine to pair with him?

I think Flory will be back for one more year , if more then anything to develop a little more offensively then anything. Think he needs to try and add some more weight, maybe doesn't need to be a lot where it will effect his mobility or anything like that , but if he goes pro right now and he have to try and match up with some of those bruisers in the NBA right now - -could be bad.

Plus this isn't meant to be a knock on Flory but I just don't think if he should happen to leave after this year he will be drafted as high- - - right now gonna be spot minutes if that.- - -Wait another year , continue to develop , add a little muscle/weight I think his Draft status be higher. I think for sur if he were to come back , then after next year he has a solid year, improve more yet he is gone. I think he is a two year guy and gone. - - - -Flory is going to be special , I hear a lot of analyst talk about how good he is and KU better enjoy him while they got him cause he is going to make a lot of money, He still is raw, but you can see it, getting better game by game , love the kid he HAS to see the floor as much as possible

@kjayhawks said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

@Texas-Hawk-10 your gonna run a line up of 3 bigs for double digit minutes?

Nope, there's 80 minutes to play between the 4 and 5 spots. Divide 80 minutes by 3 players and all 3 between 25 and 30 minutes is the result.

@approxinfinity I hope Flory stays but it’s gonna suck when KJ gets 32+ minutes and Flory gets 22-23 mpg and we lose in the tourney because of it.

Flory dominates his minutes and kj puts up a 6 point 3 rebound type game…..not sure what anyone could say to defend dolla Bill on that one

For your side note I want the quickest, bouncy 6-11+ big that can defend. Teach him 1-2 post moves. If he has a decent shot form wise - get him shooting the top of the key 3.

Self’s gonna favor defense so a big slow sloth who can guard a pnr isn’t the answer so let’s get the athletic freak who can defend

So @kuballin10 what i an wondering though is if this is reproducable because hunter makes more cabbage here than he can make professionally. Maybe this brand of incomplete player works for us when paired with a bouncy raw guy

Might be easier to repro i mean

@approxinfinity the Big Ern makes me think of the movie Kingpin

@rockchalkjayhawk

I think Dujaun can be more than serviceable from three and is not afraid like he was. The sky is not falling yet and if Bill pulls him against Kelvin it's probably a desperate situation. If AJ or Rylan can't hit beans or Coit we need to keep playing them until they can. They have the stroke and Juan should keep shooting. We are such crybabies and spoiled. Grin and bear it just not bare it yet.

I love KJ... it's why I gave him hard love in my recent thread.

Most of you guys can replay the games. Go back after you watch for enjoyment and isolate your attention to KJ. No question he hustles... but he also gets caught watching the game like a spectator out there. Especially when the shot goes up. He should have already started heading toward the rim.

The difference in him make 50% fg and Flory making 80% is huge. It's why KJ demands no respect from opposing defenses. They dare for him to shoot, even in midrange.

Of course he is setting picks, etc., but how valuable are those picks when he isn't a threat at pick and roll? If I was a coach I would be spending time helping Flory master pick and roll.

KJ is great when he's ON. And awful when he's not. I'll keep pounding this statement... he creates a big non-productive hole, right in the center of our offense. That is extremely valuable space and he devalues it when he can't make a 12-ft floater.

@drgnslayr Crazy mind numbing but hey kj impacts a game as much as Ochai……..that’s what the $10m man sees and unfortunately all that matters

When Kj is healthy he’s starting and playing over 30 minutes once we reach big games and he’s fully healthy

Self may ease him back in

I mean just more proof doesn’t have his favorites (sarcasm)

@approxinfinity I have a free advanced evaluation tool called my eyes and brain. Feel free to log on and dig for data.

Nice song by the way!

I saw this from a couple of days. Bill was none too pleased with Hunter with his latest shenanigans.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/43528357/kansas-self-questions-dickinson-actions-win-vs-tcu ↗

@wissox said in Big Ern’s Frogs meet The Bidunga Bunch — Game Thread:

I saw this from a couple of days. Bill was none too pleased with Hunter with his latest shenanigans.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/43528357/kansas-self-questions-dickinson-actions-win-vs-tcu ↗

That was some crap you expect in middle school. This is literally the biggest point of emphasis our refs have towards my middle school team, when the whistle blows, you stop fighting for the ball. I've had players get T's because they didn't stop at the whistle and I've had opponents get T's for not stopping. The reason refs are so strict on this at the middle school level, and I'm sure high school as well is that stuff like fighting over a held ball trying to prove who the strongest or toughest is can lead to fights because players let their emotions and pride take over.

@Texas-Hawk-10 Yeah that was a little bit, check that, a lot bit strange.