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Gonna hijack the Michigan fan hate chant today for our own rivalry. It's not as well known a rivalry as OSU-Michigan, but it's still a good one.

The rivalry could use a bit more spice in my opinion. This is our fault in football as we've been bad and it's been one sided, and while in basketball it's more even, we definitely dominate in national prominence. The fact that our dominance is backed up by actual trophies makes it kind of funny that their dominance is not even backed up by playoff appearances or ancient national championships.

Their fan interactions on social media are kind of hilarious. While we share our insults too, seeing KSU fans make fun of KU hoops just seems like a strange thing to do because we have multiple chances to rebut theirs with compelling barbs.

Snob Hill vs. Silo Tech I used to hear back when i was hanging around Lawrence. Wondering if the younger generations know those terms? Todays fans have the memory of the brawl with DeSouza and whoever else was involved. It was a black eye on our program, theirs too. I know some here defended our guys which is fine, but I'm not enough of a homer to call it like it is. Mid 80's football had their own brawls. Not sure if there's been others, but two years in a row in Manhattan featured after game brawls in Aggieville (?) between overserved fans of both teams. Those years saw KU and KState football finish at the bottom of not just the Big 8 but at the bottom of national rankings. Dreadful years for the states teams.

Today, recent history has me at least a little on edge. We should beat this team, yet they've won two games we couldn't, at home vs WVU and AT ISU. That's impressive but they've also lost some ridiculous games to teams like Liberty, OSU, Wichita by a bunch, Drake.

I still believe our team can pull this together and make some noise. I don't think we're good enough to make it to the FF, but good enough to threaten that. I'm still hanging on our Duke win as evidence. So I'll go out on a limb and give us a 3 point win 74-71.

I will be very disappointed if we lose today. Tired of losing in Manhattan to Tang and listening to their fan base. It's a cesspool. Can't afford a loss to this crap team

you have some legit concern about today's game , the bad losses like Liberty , OSU , Wichita and such were earlier in the year , as much as I can't stand them I have to give it up and say they are playing really solid ball now. Four game winning streak , that dam place might be loud, Plus the way we have had a habit of blowing big leads, we have played so , so on the road.- - It will be a nervous game , hope we come out and control game from tip to finish- --we don't do that, we usually start slow can't have that today cause that will make them think they are going to beat us for sure.

Having said that I'll go KU 71 -- those guys - -67

@BeddieKU23 Agreed. We know this is always the super bowl game to their crappy fans and students. 0- -- -need to SHUT THEM UP

KJ needs to have a big game defensively against Hawkins. Feels like the key to the game really. We got by in Allen but it was a major problem when subbing to Storr at the 4.

See DP just keeps on doing what DP does. Can't wait to see him do his thing in our Uni.--- DP last night at a tournament in Atlanta : - Peterson had- -- - almost yet again a triple/double.-- -31 points- - -10 rebounds - - 9 assists -- -and 2 steals--complete player, kid is a stud

7 minutes left in a blowout in Norman, we might get a chance to watch our game from the start without finding it on some random channel.

2 games in a row

I about screwed up earlier. For some reason I thought we played at 3:00 today-- ooops

Espn hates us

Why couldn't they have sent fran to the Arizona game

Here we go. Another critical game.

Not how you want to start it

Grear start guys smh

We gotta play flory

Nice job rylan

We might be able to score inside today.

Harris with 2 fouls great

Feed the post guys

Mayo needs a seat

Just need to settle down a bit and get back on defense

@BeddieKU23 want ANYBODY other then him -- he is just sad

game goes fast when hardly any fouls called

Zeke3

Kj get some points today

Not going to win playing defense like that

Defense ? -- what defense

Defense is the issue right now, switching once again is killer. Hunt and KJ haven’t been off yet. Need flory here

what happened on that lob?

Right now KJ making themn pay for backing off of him

No flory in there is what's killing the defense

@BeddieKU23 who you subbing him for at this point ? - -

Multi tasking with Badgers in the 2nd half against Iowa. I've got lots of hatred in my heart today.

clean game. hardly any turnovers & few fouls

harris 3 fouls

Well that was dumb

Juan thanks for coming to play today

Dumb coaching

Game changer.

That was pretty fucking stupid, stop switching!

and there is the guy an individual wants him to have more time - -right off the bat

Is there a stat for assists to the opposing team?

There's nothing good to say

here we go

Yeah another sad Saturday

I've seen this game before

Dam I can't stand our fricken inconsistent play.- -good- - - not good- -- good ---not good holy crap

Just not as much fun to watch this year

@StLJhawk not at all. just so many glaring scrw ups.-- Where is Griffen today - - nothing- - -Storr is Storr

Well, it's mid season and we're still pretty impotent in the half-court -- both defense and offense.

We look good when the opponent is behind or broken down.

They run us out of the gym here smh. Switch, mismatch easy bucket. Same story the last 2 years. You can’t not switch all 5 players with two bigs when they have a stretch 4. It has literally never worked in recorded history

look wherre we would be without KJ'S scoring here

@SlimShaddy54 KJ is playing great just no one else is playing defense

free throws. SMH.

We better start playing some dam defense

That’s game folks

Looks a lot like the Missouri game.

Lol storr

Push in the back

Flory has little offense to offer on offense and

Way to go officials. Let two fouls go one one side and then call a late foul on the other side.

can we do anything ?- -why yes- -yes we can , we can not play defense- -we can not hit free throws we can turn the ball over ,

this game is now offically over

@SlimShaddy54 OK, bye bye

@SlimShaddy54 thinking that as well

This team just has zero fucking heart or give a fuck

@wissox oh you leaving ok - -bye bye

@StLJhawk wissox says bye bye lmao

Ok get a bucket.

That's the shot we needed says no one

D is not looking good

you want to try an make an argument about our defense ?- - we have gave up 40 points to these bums with 4 minutes to go in the half. - -Great defense

We are just missing open shot and layups. Keep playing D.

Radio said that shot that Flory blocked was called by the ref standing at halfcourt.

@Zabudda we haven't play any D as of yet. If what we are doing right now is playing D- - -then news flash-- IT'S NOT WORKING

Why is Mayo so passive

Got to look for his shot

@SlimShaddy54 Because no team in the history of basketball has ever come back from 10 points down in a game.

@wissox herre you go padna-- in order to come back from 10 down you have to play defense on the other end of the floor.-- Have you seen Ku play any defense in the half ?- -if you have you must be watching some other game cause it sure the hell isn't this one

K/State shooting 59 % isn
t what I would call defense , how bout you there Wissox ?

@Zabudda said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:

We are just missing open shot and layups. Keep playing D.

What defense is this team playing today? They're on pace to allow 100 today, the defense has been pure garbage today without Harris out there.

Good d.

@Zabudda LOL ya Great D

1-6 from the line lol

@SlimShaddy54 said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:

K/State shooting 59 % isn
t what I would call defense , how bout you there Wissox ?

I doubt KSU keeps that pace the entire game, but there needs to be adjustments made at halftime and Harris needs to play smart in the 2nd half.

Good effort there hunt

@Texas-Hawk-10 I hope not. KU is making them looks like a top 5 team, they have just flat fell off the charts without Harris

missing Harris.

Coits having an awesome game

Yeah playing 3 bigs who can't shoot is absolutely a good lineup

How is the 3-big lineup even a consideration?

teams having a great game

It’s the new 4-1. 4 guys who can’t shoot and Zeke

The coaching mistakes that continue to happen is really alarming

well one of the three is carrying the team in this 1st half

Well, good run at the end here at least

Looks good to me.

@Kcmatt7 wait, wait, we got to play defense for the last 6 seconds

Adams has had a big half

@BeddieKU23 said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:

The coaching mistakes that continue to happen is really alarming

The 3 big line up has only given up 2 points during the last 4 minutes so I would say that it's actually been pretty effective during this stretch and worth revisiting in the 2nd half.

They have feasted on our poor finishing

Comical

six seconds was to long to defend lol-- -Sad- - really sada

Really a miracle shot.

@Zabudda and answered

Can't guard any better on that last shot without fouling, dude just made a tough shot.

Mcdougal has just killed us in the first half

We missed 7 puppies and that's where fast break points start. Other than that it would have a lead likely.

You wanna watch a game where the stats don't tell the story ? - -We are out shooting them 57.1- - 54 % - - -better three point shooting- -60 % to-- -33.3 % - -out rebounding them- - -17/14- -but have turned it over 6 times to their 2-- more assists 15/13 -- attempted more free throws for what that,s worth- -more offensive rebounds

my mistake, I said Mcdugal - -meant Mcdaniel, it's be gusuean or how ever you spell his name he has 10 and Mc Daniel has 8,

I don't know why anyone is still here. I should just shut this thread down because some people think that it's insurmountable. Oh I should show them the tape of that game against UNC in 2022. Or how about the WVU game a few years back. Or just to be that obvious, what Baylor did last week or Houston two weeks ago.

@wissox Lol thanks for the laughs I needed that. your all right appreciate it

Maybe we'll make more FTs. 1-6 can't be repeated and win. Getting DaJuan back will help quite a bit but I'm sure they'll be keying on him.

No laughs Slim, you battle kuball10 all year every day and then you go and write so much stupid crap. Not much different really when you think this team is incapable of coming back.

@wissox Dejuan has to stay on the floor for a comeback to happen. This team just isn't good enough defensively without him out there. The offense was good enough minus the FT shooting, but the defense has to step up the second half. I would go with Harris, Moore, Mayo, Adams, and Flory to start the second half because that's KU's best defensive line up, but doubt that happens.

Hmph, down 5, whadya know about that?

Sermons hates us.

3o feet behind the play and he calls that. He's the new ref that hates us.

@wissox said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:

Sermons hates us.

Hunter got him on the head on the following through, it was the right call.

Quickly down 10

Need to get Mayo some confidence on the road. He’s crucial to KU’s success.

@Texas-Hawk-10 Can both be true? :)

Quickly down a lot and nothing is going to change

I don’t know why I thought the win Monday was going to be the spark this team needed.

Nightmare start to the half. Understatement of the year.

Team is softer than charmin

Why didn’t Juan play the first half? Injury? I was late to the game.

@Kcmatt7 said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:

Why didn’t Juan play the first half? Injury? I was late to the game.

3 fouls in 2 minutes of play

Can we please see 4 guards around flory for like 5 minutes. Just to see how it feels.

Good thing we signed Griffen to brick wide open looks all year

@Kcmatt7 said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:

Why didn’t Juan play the first half? Injury? I was late to the game.

Fouls, picked up 2 before the first TV timeout, brought back midway through the 1st half and immediately picked up his 3rd foul.

Their big is way bigger then hunt

Hunter sucks

But he's an all American

Hunters D is so frustrating
L

Tang is out coaching Self yet again. Tang is a bout to be 3-3, 3-0 in Methattan with only 1 if those teams making the NCAAs smh

@webjay said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:

Hunter sucks

Would be fine as like a 3rd option tbh. But yea. Won’t be missed by me

6 minutes for Flory smh

Like was said earlier, this is not the same K/State team from earlier, playing a lot better. of course were not doing so good but we just go to crap playing on the road

@Kcmatt7 said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:

@webjay said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:

Hunter sucks

Would be fine as like a 3rd option tbh. But yea. Won’t be missed by me

me neither

Maybe we can be the 6 seed that no one wants to see in their bracket.

They are playing great at home against their most hated rival. We can seem to answer the bell. They have received all the crazy bounces, Just keep plugging and don't do lousy plays on offense.

Didn't like him at Michigan and nothing has changed

anothre live ball turnover

Great job mayo. 4th turnover

Just when there is hope.

Can’t dribble can’t shoot can’t play d.

Sloppy

@benshawks08

Describes mayo good

@BeddieKU23 he is the only one who CAN shoot. Lol

@benshawks08

At home

@benshawks08 Just like in 1988!

be careful what you say- - people get upset

@BeddieKU23 he’s made a few today.

Can’t stand sloppy mayo@BeddieKU23

Rylan has been the shooting problem today. So many open looks.

KSU toying with KU

K-State is so so much tougher and grittier than we are. In Allen whenever we took a big lead they just kept fighting and getting back into the game. Now that the shoe is on the other foot we are not seeing an ounce of fight from our team.

On AJ's dribble drive he did not fall in love with the three. If they charge you drive around them if you are wide open shoot it.

Average team , very average

@Zabudda said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:

They are playing great at home against their most hated rival. We can seem to answer the bell. They have received all the crazy bounces, Just keep plugging and don't do lousy plays on offense.

The defense is the much bigger issue over the offense today. The defense is on pace to give up 90+, you're not going to win very many games giving up that many points.

KSU is just playing harder. Can we please?

We've made 52% of shots, 40% of our 3's (low volume), fouled less, outrebounded them, but 5 more TO's and 4 more blocks leads to the deficit despite the statistical similarity.

Bull poop three

ESPN misses the alley oop lob on the inbound because we have to look at a kstate guy.

Lmao Bill going zone. Dude is waiving the white flag.

Why don’t we try to run like that more? Why don’t we full court press?

Lol

10 three point makes. --we can't make two's to their three's

Shooting 55% and down 15. Defense anyone....

Now answer.

@DCHawker Nope

games not over, we can come back

Storr got hacked

Need to cut it to 5 by the under 4 min TO

We’re done. I’m out

The defense isn't stopping anything today.

Storr has to be the most disappointing Hawk I can remember.

There is no reason we don’t run our offense through Zeke. He will go entire possessions without touching the ball and he’s our best player. I do not get it

Flory has looked bad this game

There has been zero effort in obtaining and maintaining defensive positioning

@webjay As a famous man said today- - -ok bye bye

They got 59 pts and the offense isn't the problem. Yeah okkkk

Lol mayo. What a meltdown man

Stay classy KSU fans

This team has 1 gear. So, when we are down, we... keep playing in that same gear.

@SlimShaddy54 No. You have to have fight to come back.

@Texas-Hawk-10 lol , don't count on it

KSU lost by 19 to WSU....

@BeddieKU23 said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:

They got 59 pts and the offense isn't the problem. Yeah okkkk

On pace for about 75 points, not elite, but should be enough to win 95% of games. Defense is in pace to give up 90+. So I will absolutely say the defense is the much bigger issue today you won't win very many games giving up 90+ points.

@Jhawk69 it's always easier when the other team does not have a clue what defense is

2 FTAs from our guards and wings...

@BeddieKU23 said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:

Lol mayo. What a meltdown man

Mayo is useless on the road which worries me he will be in the tournament as well

Where is the fire in Self? Where are the dawgs? Who is our leader?

@springfieldhawk Same thing I asked last week, but I must ssssssh hurts people feelings when giving my opinion stepping on toes, still 3:38 to go , we can come back.-- -be careful what you say

Can't wait for Tang to run up into the stands like done before

I swear this team’s only hope to success is using their depth and pressing the full game start to finish.

So Dickinson has become our best three point shooter now ? -- - Right

@DCHawker said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:

KSU lost by 19 to WSU....

They also beat tf out of ISU on the road. They have some talent.

The hell was Mayo doing there? #1 rule of fast break defense is stop the ball and Mayo peeled off to the corner there

Holy crap the attendants trying to make sure the fans don't rush the floor- -when are they going to get over this shit , show like you have been there before , your detracting from your win

@Kcmatt7 KSU is just as talented as us and more athletic. Tang just took all year to get them playing well. Hard to watch our games and say we are improving

who to blame today- -got to be the whole team , so many things wrong

Storr and Griffen combined 2-11 from 3. 2 RBs and 2 assists...

@DCHawker been like that all year long

@DCHawker said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:

Storr and Griffen combined 2-11 from 3. 2 RBs and 2 assists...

Hand picked by Bill Self

ooops sorry shouldn't have said that

Second most points KSU has scored in a conference game...

If the defense that played Monday against ISU showed up we’d be winning this one

I had zero faith in our chances today. This team has zero toughness.

Hell we can't even run down the floor without falling down.- - -Moore falls down - - Griffen happens a lot

Another huge record going down this season

This is not a top 25 team period

Even the fans there expected this… no court storming

@drgnslayr Finally , the officials had to plead for them not to

We played hard until the end and they had 13 threes and 4 or so were BS makes. Not our day and it hurts a because it's K-State.

Sum is less than the sum of its parts.

My question is for all the Self homers, Fran was talking about how KSU was ready to play and we weren’t yet again. Isn’t it a job of the coaches to get the players ready to go?

@kjayhawks You LISTEN to Fran ? - - I'm sorry bud

It's alright we had plenty of good shots not fall that normally would.

@Zabudda said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:

We played hard until the end and they had 13 threes and 4 or so were BS makes. Not our day and it hurts a because it's K-State.

I don’t think we played super hard imo, they got about 85% of the 50-50 balls. We let up 50% shooting from the floor, that won’t win games on the road.

When we had those games where we held teams to 20 per half it was because we brought defense… enough that it disrupted their flow and they then couldn’t hit wide open 3s. That’s not what I saw today. We came soft, we left soft.

@SlimShaddy54 haha sparingly but it’s a fair question we come out with zero energy or bounce in our steps almost every game this season.

@drgnslayr this team is arguably the softest of the Self era. The last two seasons will be less than .500 on the road

God forbid we should ever match KSUs enthusiasm for our games…

We rank 352/364 teams in Free Throws Attempted per game.

We rank 271/364 teams in 3 Pointers Attempted per game.

And we are not a particularly good 3pt shooting team or free throw shooting team. The offense is just not very good. It is what it is.

@drgnslayr said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:

God forbid we should ever match KSUs enthusiasm for our games…

That’s my biggest issue there is zero fight or willingness to be at the game most nights. Just show up and what happens happens

@kjayhawks said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:

My question is for all the Self homers, Fran was talking about how KSU was ready to play and we weren’t yet again. Isn’t it a job of the coaches to get the players ready to go?

This isn't 100% Self. I have been very uninspired by the advanced scouting by the assistants and transfer market/high school scouting.

There needs to be changes on the bench after the season. Norm Roberts for sure I think should be replaced because he's never been a strong recruiter, and after his stint as interim coach in 2023, I don't think he should be retained. I'm also not fully sold on Jeremy Case as an assistant coach at this point.

Last time we lost 3 years in a row @Kstate, I was in high school. It was the Ted Owens era.

And what I hate to think about is that the last time we won there was the year we won the National Championship... and does anyone remember that game? I think we were down by 25 at one point.

It could so easily be the 4th year in a row that we've lost there.

@KirkIsMyHinrich

It’s built to run through Hunter but he’s out on the trey line hoisting up bricks. But it finally paid off, he hit his first 3! Lol

@kjayhawks plenty of blame to place all over. Like Seth Greenburg said earlier in the week we have a 7'2 Center that needs to plant his ass don't low and stay the F - - - there dominate, and yet he thinks he is Steph Curry shooting three's , w have guys that can't even run down the floor without tripping over themselves and falling repeatedly, we have guys that if you say play some defense they will ask you if they can take a minute and look that word up in websters so they know what we mean. K/State close to half the time was taking whatever they wanted, like taking candy from a baby.

@drgnslayr said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:

@KirkIsMyHinrich

It’s built to run through Hunter but he’s out on the trey line hoisting up bricks. But it finally paid off, he hit his first 3! Lol

It is designed with Hunter in mind, and I would prefer him down low, but it isn't like we have a lot of other options. We have too many non-shooters on the team.

@kjayhawks

Yeah I was talking more about the end. Storr and Rylan our gel guys had an off night from three 2/11 and are still not there or here or somewhere but it was just a bad shooting game but Storr made nice things happen.

@Texas-Hawk-10 I agree 100% buddy

@Texas-Hawk-10 100%! Only problem is Self values seniority in his coaches like he does his players.

@KirkIsMyHinrich

Hunter missed a bunch of close in. When you get a good look and it fizzles it hurts plus they can get out and run.

@drgnslayr I truly think that for some reason when it comes to K/State for some reason I think there are guys on this team that really feels that we are just BETTER and we can take over when ever and have such a non cholent approach it's really pathetic bottom line is this is just a very average team, can be fairly good but then times where we are just butt ugly

@Zabudda said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:

@KirkIsMyHinrich

Hunter missed a bunch of close in. When you get a good look and it fizzles it hurts plus they can get out and run.

Hunter was 8/16 with 21 points, 9 rebounds, and 4 assists. Offensively, he is not the problem.

@SlimShaddy54 I think we have players that think that regardless who we play.

@Zabudda said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:

@KirkIsMyHinrich

Hunter missed a bunch of close in. When you get a good look and it fizzles it hurts plus they can get out and run.

KU gave up 81 points and you're still trying g to place blame on the offense? KU shot 50% from the field today. Offense wasn't the issue. You can't give up 81 points and expect to win very many games.

@drgnslayr me too buddy , me too

Now before anyone says anything I guess were not the only fans who probably pretty upset on the year.--- Gonzaga sure not typical Gonzaga year- ---Oh Hurley U Conn for sure not a typical U Conn year- -doesn't make it any better , cause I could give a rats ass just sayin

@kjayhawks said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:

My question is for all the Self homers, Fran was talking about how KSU was ready to play and we weren’t yet again. Isn’t it a job of the coaches to get the players ready to go?

My god you’re going to be insufferable when we are even less consistent after the Self era. I’m not in the camp of “he can do no wrong.” But bad seasons happen everywhere. We are actually fortunate our “down season” is like a 5-seed in the tourney.

@drgnslayr said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:

@KirkIsMyHinrich

It’s built to run through Hunter but he’s out on the trey line hoisting up bricks. But it finally paid off, he hit his first 3! Lol

I don’t like Hunt out there shooting 3s and I we know will miss Juan at times next season especially with Jackson not being able to practice or play for experience. But I won’t harp on Hunt a ton for this because so many of his teammates like Juan are too scared to shoot it. Juan was 0-1 from distance today but he could easily shot 5 of them. Dribble in circles and don’t look to score isn’t my idea of great offense. We have seen some great pass first point guards in this conference. Prime example tho I hate him is Doug Gottlieb. He didn’t look to score but averaged dang near 9 assists per game as a junior and senior. Im fine if Juan doesn’t shoot the ball but he’s need sit be getting 8 plus assists and completely shutting down the other side.

If we had humble teams, our guys would come ready… especially for in-state rivalries. I constantly gripe about our guys not ready to play. All our guys are jamming on their AirPods until game time. Meanwhile, Tang and troops were already in a huge sweat from team chants!

@Kcmatt7 we are currently on our third in a row in terms of bad seasons. If this was an outliner I’d be fine with it. It’s becoming the new norm

@Kcmatt7 at this point right now after today if the tourney started we would more likely be looking towards a seven seed

@kjayhawks I bet a million dollars Juan was jamming on his AirPods right before the game. He completely was unprepared to play. 3 fouls in 4 minutes?

@drgnslayr said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:

@kjayhawks I bet a million dollars Juan was jamming on his AirPods right before the game. He completely was unprepared to play. 3 fouls in 4 minutes?

Ya idk 2 of his fouls we freshman level mistakes for 6th year guy so idk. Definitely would’ve helps to have on the floor more defensively I believe

@drgnslayr I refer back to my last reply to you, and your right-- they don't feel the need of any urgency

Here is an idea for Self… no electronics on game day! Make them stay connected to the team and stay plugged in!

We are going to end the Season with at least eight losses. we have still to play three game stretch of Texas Tech-- - Arizona-- - And Houston oh boy

@Kcmatt7 I guess I’m just having doubts that this season is an outliner like you claim. Last year Bill Self had his only season at Kansas with 11 loses and a losing road record. This season is headed in the exact same direction with 7 losses and a 3-5 road record currently. I’m gonna highly doubt we win 3 of our next 4 on the road at this point. I guess it depends on how you want to look at it. With the 2018 season being vacated, we have made it out of the first weekend of the NCAAs a single time since then. One time that’s it, if you want to count 2018 still one time in 6 years isn’t good. That one time was by the hair of our chins tho the final result was good.

Invest in Darryn Peterson and the kids next year. This group doesn’t have “it”.

@approxinfinity

Kj -35 minutes and 5 boards

Flory - 16 minutes and 4 boards

Sucks being right when I was hoping I’d be wrong. Dolla Bill can’t elevate the true talent he has and it limits so many of his teams. Caught up with him these past 3 years…..as he stuck with “his guys”

But hey let’s blame the assistants not the guy who the buck stops with

D2, trex and lil dick - per Rinehart on Twitter

Dolla Bill - you weren’t wanted in the nba for a reason….

The last two seasons:

-Big 12 play: 17-14
-Road Record: 6-13
-Lost Wednesday in Big 12 Tourney
-Big 12 Opener Streak: ❌
-42 Year streak of not losing 3 straight in Manhattan: ❌
-Lost to Mizzou
-Biggest blown lead in program history.
-8 double digit losses. (4 by 20+)

Bad

I didnt watch a minute of this one tbh. Kid stuff going on. Was it a train wreck? Are we hanging the L on Self?

@approxinfinity pretty much, like we didn’t have a scouting report at all. We had zero energy and even less heart somehow. Juando got into foul trouble early as in 3 fouls in about 8 minutes of playing time in the first half. 2 of which were just plain stupidity. We left shooters wide open consistently and just didn’t care to attempt to play anything that resembled defense.

Brutal.

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Once again I’m an asshole for saying it but even Bill agrees

@approxinfinity I’ll add in this simply, Kansas state players seemed happy to be there and excited to take to shots. Kansas (primarily Juan and Shak) looked terrified to shoot.

Edit: we also tried 3 bigs again for a stretch in the second half….. it also as anyone with a brain could predict didn’t work and led to open 3s for them.

I haven't read a single comment. I just wanted to say that my wife and I had a great day of antiquing in Hutchinson and now we're at a nice Mexican restaurant. I hope everyone had a good day.

A lot of issues related to roster construction and navigating the portal - NIL world, but one thing is clear is that this team is the softest of the Self era - lacking both physical and mental toughness... KU used to win the vast majority of games that came down to crunch time. That certainly hasn't been true the last couple of years...

@nuleafjhawk you’re smarter than the rest of us

@kjayhawks said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:

@Kcmatt7 we are currently on our third in a row in terms of bad seasons. If this was an outliner I’d be fine with it. It’s becoming the new norm

We're also seeing the effects of the NCAA investigation with this group in regards to recruiting. That severely hurt the recruiting and overall talent level on this team. While the investigation was active, KU was only able to bring in 2 recruits good enough to be drafted and only 1 transfer that was drafted so there's been a major drop off in talent. Elmarko and Flory have the talent to change that, but neither will be NBA players next season.

When was the last time KU had a team with zero players drafted that season? 2009 I think. I do expect next season to be better as KU could have at least 3 players that could be NBA players in 2026, and all potentially 1st round picks with Peterson, Flory, and Elmarko.

The other issue, and I've mentioned this in the past is Dejuan isn't a great leader and that's his biggest weakness to me. I think you're the one mentioning listening to music in headphones before games. That's not an issue to me because for many players, that's how they block out the outside world to get focused on the game ahead. Everyone is different in that regard about helps them lock in before a game.

The issue with Dejuan's leadership to me is that he appears to be a very soft spoken and shy person that doesn't enjoy the spotlight. I don't recall him ever getting loud and yelling to fire his teammates up and I think that's why we see this team come out so flat most of the time. Basically, this group lacks a vocal leader that can light a fire under everyone because Self can't do that every game and stay effective with his speeches. This would've been the perfect role for Hunter as we all know he had a edge to him that was perfect for that role of vocal leader, but he chose to not embrace that role for whatever reason this year.

@SlimShaddy54 said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:

Now before anyone says anything I guess were not the only fans who probably pretty upset on the year.--- Gonzaga sure not typical Gonzaga year- ---Oh Hurley U Conn for sure not a typical U Conn year- -doesn't make it any better , cause I could give a rats ass just sayin

This is more of a typical UConn year than the previous 2 under Hurley.

@Texas-Hawk-10 I wish we had a well rounded player that was a leader. Is Peterson a leader? Who will be the floor leader next year?

@approxinfinity said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:

@Texas-Hawk-10 I wish we had a well rounded player that was a leader. Is Peterson a leader? Who will be the floor leader next year?

To me, it would ideally be Elmarko since he would be in his 3rd season and expected to run point next season.

@Texas-Hawk-10 Valid points on the initial investigation hurting recruiting but after winning the title in 2022 and being able to pay players with NIL, I don’t think it
Is valid at this point. To me we went to hard after the portal guys and other than Zeke none of them have produced. Shak, Diggy, Rylen and AJ haven’t panned out IMO I’d rather spent some money on a highschooler or picked differently in the portal.

@DCHawker Also, looking at from another angle, teams beating KU left and right by making lots and lots of 3s (40%). Team is lacking 3pt defense. Coach has a lot to do with the losses, too. 50% FT is not acceptable.. BS has to exhaust 2.5 bigs to score 40 but guards? Aren't they supposed to score off of dribble and drive? 3pts? getting into FT lane? Thanks to Juando who thinks he doesn't have to score, their guards contribute 2x than ours in scoring.

@Texas-Hawk-10 with the portal we are way past this. Teams these past two years have been rebuilt overnight

Not sure how you can even take this stance

@kjayhawks Huh playing 4 on 1 doesn’t work when your pg refuses to shoot 3’s and be an offensive threat oh and he can’t beat his man off the dribble?

Whatever will we do without thou next year????

Three bigs - man dolla bill really is struggling to coach elite players and elevate them. Tang smoking him 3 straight seasons and our road record, big 12 finishes and tourney appearances plus ncaa finishes are all clearly showing something

All I remember after 2022 with wright and k retiring is oh Self is going to take us to new heights.

Heart deal happened and it was level up and “won’t happen again”…..he’s literally taken us to new lows these last two years instead

Complete and utter flop showing he ain’t the goat right now and it ain’t even close. His talent evaluation is atrocious and even when he does see the guys play he doesn’t pull the right strings to have them play their best.

When other players played better for other teams that says ATON about Self and his “system/coaching”

The best coaches get the most out of all their players

@nuleafjhawk Oh thanks for ignoring my brilliant opening to the game thread. I think you might be part of the reason that you enjoyed your day today!

@Texas-Hawk-10 I've seen you write that before about the effects of the investigation, but I'm wondering. Basically the guys who won a championship were recruited after we started to feel the heat from the NCAA. So in the midst of an investigation Self constructed a championship team. Or am I wrong?

I will say this gently and out of kindness for all. Buzz killers or negative persons who seek to dampen the mood, enjoyment and pleasure of others can cast a pall over all of this. I have always looked forward to our daily discourse but now it's depressing.

@wissox to me the investigation is why took chances on several guys like Ochai who was ranked in the 300s before we offer, Braun wasn’t highly rated before we signed him. Now I have zero idea how it effect the guys we signed in the portal

@Zabudda Feel free to state some positives about this team to lighten things up around here

@wissox said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:

@Texas-Hawk-10 I've seen you write that before about the effects of the investigation, but I'm wondering. Basically the guys who won a championship were recruited after we started to feel the heat from the NCAA. So in the midst of an investigation Self constructed a championship team. Or am I wrong?

The core of the title team was all before the notice of allegations against KU was received in the fall of 2019 except for transfer players.

Lightfoot was a 2016 recruit, McCormack and Agbaji were both 2018, Braun, Wilson, and Harris were all 2019 players.

The timeline was KU received the notice from the NCAA in September of 2019 and in July of 2020, KU and the NCAA agreed to send the case to the IARP. With the case going to the IARP, KU gave up their right to appeal the verdict against them.

That means that the 2021 class was the first one where Self truly had the potential of a post season ban and suspension hanging over his head in recruiting, but the 2020 class was also a very weak class so I think it could even be argued that the NCAA started hurting KU's recruiting in that 2020 class.

Nobody from the 2020 class even made it to year 2 at Kansas. Bryce Thompson was the highlight of that class and Tyon Grant-Foster was a top JuCo player, but the other two was always long term prospects.

2021 was another extremely weak HS class overall with Zach Clemence being the highest rated player in that group (12 spots ahead of KJ).

2022 was a better class with Dick in it, but still no top 20 recruits in that class either. This was also the first class to benefit from NIL, but it was in its infancy and not fully monetize yet.

The 2023 class was the first group with NIL involved from the get go and there is a noticeable bump in talent brought in with Elmarko and Furphy being considered OAD prospects and Hunter and Arterio Morris as top level transfers.

Summer of 2023 is also when KU gets off with a slap on the wrist in the NCAA case as it was finally resolved almost 5 years after it began. KU had already gotten involved with their target recruits for the 2024 class at that point so that was this was last recruiting cycle with the NCAA case influencing recruiting of HS kids.

The 2025 is the first class post NCAA resolution for KU to go through the full cycle without the NCAA cloud hanging over their heads. What's going to hurt the 2025 rankings is Tiller reclassifying and enrolling early, but should help long term development for him.

@Texas-Hawk-10 Wow thanks, do you just have all this in your mind? I didn't ask my question that long ago and you produced an article!

@kjayhawks said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:

@Texas-Hawk-10 Valid points on the initial investigation hurting recruiting but after winning the title in 2022 and being able to pay players with NIL, I don’t think it
Is valid at this point. To me we went to hard after the portal guys and other than Zeke none of them have produced. Shak, Diggy, Rylen and AJ haven’t panned out IMO I’d rather spent some money on a highschooler or picked differently in the portal.

It wasn't until the summer of 2023 that the NCAA case was resolved. Hunter was the only high dollar NIL transfer during that time and we all know he came to KU because KU was the highest bidder for him. Transfers that cared about winning more were likely still leery of the NCAA hammer coming down on KU so this past transfer class was the first without the NCAA investigation influencing potential transfers and the 2025 class is the first high school class without the investigation influencing it.

@wissox said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:

@Texas-Hawk-10 Wow thanks, do you just have all this in your mind? I didn't ask my question that long ago and you produced an article!

I know some of the dates, but had to check 247 to double check who all was in which class. Not really any deep research.

Watching dudes fly by AJ Storr today was a joy. I heard this guy was an athlete!

That of course left Hunter to blissfully watch the ball float in the air and forget to play defense of any kind. What an embarrassment of effort today.

Zeke really makes my head spin at times. For one, he simply could not get a decent shot off today. The sheep lovers made sure of that. Shouldn't that mean somebody else (Hunter) should be open??? OH, and Zeke is NOT a point guard.

Miserable feeling losing to that team. aaargh.

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:

@kjayhawks said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:

@Texas-Hawk-10 Valid points on the initial investigation hurting recruiting but after winning the title in 2022 and being able to pay players with NIL, I don’t think it
Is valid at this point. To me we went to hard after the portal guys and other than Zeke none of them have produced. Shak, Diggy, Rylen and AJ haven’t panned out IMO I’d rather spent some money on a highschooler or picked differently in the portal.

It wasn't until the summer of 2023 that the NCAA case was resolved. Hunter was the only high dollar NIL transfer during that time and we all know he came to KU because KU was the highest bidder for him. Transfers that cared about winning more were likely still leery of the NCAA hammer coming down on KU so this past transfer class was the first without the NCAA investigation influencing potential transfers and the 2025 class is the first high school class without the investigation influencing it.

Which means Self took a big swing and a miss, Self was thinking about building this team towards the end of last year, which I thought was a good thing but it turned out quite the opposite.

Anyone else just looking forward to next season at this point? Baring a Danny and Miracles type of run next month we are just pissing in the wind at this point.

Speaking of Tiller, does anyone know whether Tiller practices with team already? I don't see any improvement watching the bigs play. I'm afraid BS is preparing Tiller for next season, instead. LOL.. High-low v22.0.

@jay4ever said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:

Speaking of Tiller, does anyone know whether Tiller practices with team already? I don't see any improvement watching the bigs play. I'm afraid BS is preparing Tiller for next season, instead. LOL.. High-low v22.0.

From a few weeks ago:

KU coach Bill Self said on Monday on his “Hawk Talk” radio show that Tiller has only been working in individual drills so far, but he’s just a few days away now from getting checked out by physicians and having a chance to become a full member of KU’s scout team.

@jay4ever

I would expect minimal impact from Tiller year 1. Kid has missed a lot of time

@kjayhawks said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:

Anyone else just looking forward to next season at this point? Baring a Danny and Miracles type of run next month we are just pissing in the wind at this point.

This I agree with. I'm looking forward to a new look at PG next season. I do think Juan has always been a liability. I don't really think a Bill Self team can win a Natty without someone dynamic at PG. The 2022 run Remy really got us out of the 1st round, and then obviously the Natty game he saved us.

Mason. Graham. Dotson. Collins. Tyshawn. All of the best Bill Self teams had a PG putting up like 15ppg and at the end of the game were the type of guy who could just take his man off the dribble and get a bucket.

That is what we need from that spot with this coach. It is part of why I'm not worried about the future. When Juan is gone we can get back to looking for a PG that can really fill up the bucket.

@Kcmatt7 said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:

@kjayhawks said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:

Anyone else just looking forward to next season at this point? Baring a Danny and Miracles type of run next month we are just pissing in the wind at this point.

This I agree with. I'm looking forward to a new look at PG next season. I do think Juan has always been a liability. I don't really think a Bill Self team can win a Natty without someone dynamic at PG. The 2022 run Remy really got us out of the 1st round, and then obviously the Natty game he saved us.

Mason. Graham. Dotson. Collins. Tyshawn. All of the best Bill Self teams had a PG putting up like 15ppg and at the end of the game were the type of guy who could just take his man off the dribble and get a bucket.

That is what we need from that spot with this coach. It is part of why I'm not worried about the future. When Juan is gone we can get back to looking for a PG that can really fill up the bucket.

At the end of the day, none of those PG's won a title as the starting PG at KU though. Sherron was a back up to Robinson. The formula for winning a title at PG for Self seems to be a pass first, defensive oriented starter with a scorer coming off the bench.

Found some pretty interesting conversation off the KU podcast yesterday after this debacle. Side show ( could be wrong ) is the name , and before some say here that these guys are idiots and know nothing, maybe you need to listen to them before you bsrk to loud they are just as if not more knowledgeable about some of thus as you are. They are pretty pissed but brought up some really valid points. They are and these are just some :

They fully believe Bill doesn't have this team , This team has no chemistry, this team has no leadership They were saying that when this tok place that anybody in h Basketball industry that knows anything knew that the AJ Storr transfer was not going to work That this with Storr was a complete failure from Coach Self on down

Last two years Bill has completely whiffed in the porta Aj Storr is a total COMPLETE WHIFF , -- Griffen is a Complete whiff- -- -Timberlake is a complete whiff.

They were sayig about people who were trying Hell Storr a lot of times is like some raging bull in a China Closet, charging the basket and throwing up some wild ass jock shot that hits the bottom side of the back board to defend Storr & Griffen -- -example of their play they were 5-17 from the field do you REALLY think we need to see more minutes of these guys so they can go another 2-3 of 19 from the filed? They have been given chances Hell how many times have we seen Griffen come down the floor bumbling tumblin stumblin having a hard enough time standing up on his feet,

The guys were talking about there is so much dis-content on this team, how the Coach's don't have them ready to play , talking about how these kids don't like one another , no chemistry.

They were saying people hollering about Flory's minutes saying do you REALLY think that if Flory got more minutes yesterday we would of WON this game ?- NO , NO we wouldn't - Flory like has been mentioned he
( Bshark ) said Flory was just bad yesterday, he wouldn't of won this game for us yesterday,
Doesn't matter No line up combo is gonna make this team any better-- -we just good to face it , this team is just not good. -- Avers age team , very Average

We should of won this game yesterday , but we got dog stomped by a 12-11 team. a team more hungry then these guys.
Talking about we need to re-evaluate our NINE Assistants - needs to be a change

I think some people are taking some things to for granted with Diggy & Flory coming back,-- I 100 % feel Diggy is done and won't be back, and Flory ? -- Flory ?- -with the way things have played out this Season, his minuttes not there - chemisty ?- -dont be surprised , is he ready ?-- Hell no but don't be surprised if he doesn't come back

Bro Sheron played more minutes than Russ and was a HUGE team player by not basically demanding he start.

Russ only played 20 minutes the Natty game including OT!

DG led a very short rotation to a FF. Tyshawn lead an even shorter bench to a Natty runner up. Dotson didn’t get his chance to do it.

You are blatantly wrong.

@Kcmatt7 said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:

Bro Sheron played more minutes than Russ and was a HUGE team player by not basically demanding he start.

Russ only played 20 minutes the Natty game including OT!

DG led a very short rotation to a FF. Tyshawn lead an even shorter bench to a Natty runner up. Dotson didn’t get his chance to do it.

You are blatantly wrong.

Like semantics, sure they didn’t win a Natty (except Sherron). But they were all clearly Bill’s best teams here. Argue with a wall if you disagree.

And like yea, ok, sure, we ALL feel like the shortcoming from the Frank Mason teams was Frank. The NPOY… And not that his starting C was Landen Fucking Lucas both those EE runs.

@Kcmatt7 said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:

Bro Sheron played more minutes than Russ and was a HUGE team player by not basically demanding he start.

Russ only played 20 minutes the Natty game including OT!

DG led a very short rotation to a FF. Tyshawn lead an even shorter bench to a Natty runner up. Dotson didn’t get his chance to do it.

You are blatantly wrong.

Who were the starting PG's that hung banners for Self? Non scoring PG's with a scoring PG coming off the bench. You can claim whatever you want, but at the end of the day, none of those other teams won national title. Also, remind me what 17ppg scorer Perry Ellis did in the 2016 Villanova game?

@SlimShaddy54 I doubt Diggy has what it takes to be a solid PG aka BIFM - I'm fine if he's gone. Moore has bigger balls than anybody in the team. Flory or any kind of slim athletic power fwd/center players out of HS, should not join KU when BS is still at the throne. He doesn't have the right formula to use them. Period. That's very unfortunate. These days, players like that will be recruited by NBA and will thrive for years. Guys like HD, Lawson, Ellis, Landen, will never survive in NBA. Flory seems to be smarter, better defensively, has more upsides than Udeh. We'll miss FB, sadly.
I'm excited Peterson joined next season. The Brazillian dude has shown potentials, but will present challenges to BS & his staff again and again.
Will he force those slim athletic centers to play high-low? We know this won't work. We won natty with David because Remy was just a natural. BS has yet to show his worth as an HOF with unlimited term, IMHO.

@jay4ever Check out my thread about help being on the way--- deals with Darryn, MY GOD that kid is a beast and absolute 100 % real. As far a Flory I think there is at least a 50/50 now him trying NBA next year, probably not, but god chance he hits portal, think frustrating for him not playing as much right now.- -Read in another article saying looks like he has stepped back and on cruise control since KJ being back- - and ya Diggy have no doubt he is - GONE his minutes would be so scarce next year, because El Marko going to run the point and when he is not-- Darryn will slide over to run. - -There had ben a lot of talk Darryn wanted to play point at one time, so no surprise if he doesn't slide over when El Marko is out.

Yet with the expanding roster to 15 right next year ? -- I guess never say neve , but he would be option number three

You are such a literal person you can’t even evaluate things beyond the stat sheet.

Who finished both NC games at PG? National Championship on the line, who is in the game? Russ? Nope. Juan? Nope.

Remy played the final 9 minutes. Sherron played the final 15. Mario’s miracle, was Sherron or Russ in??? But hang the banner Russ! He did it! Juan won that Natty!

If you could add Remy Martin to this team and you’d have to drop Juan for the rest of the season you telling me you wouldn’t?

If you could add Russ or Sherron to this years team in place of Juan, who are you adding?

Tyshawn or Juan?

DG or Juan?

Frank or Juan?

Is Juan the only problem with this year’s team? Obviously not. But I would agree with a lot of other posters that think this team’s ceiling/margin for error is very limited by their PG who has a limited skill set himself.

@Kcmatt7 For me Frank hands down , followed up by Devonte

@Kcmatt7 said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:

Tyshawn or Juan?

DG or Juan?

Frank or Juan?

Is Juan the only problem with this year’s team? Obviously not. But I would agree with a lot of other posters that think this team’s ceiling/margin for error is very limited by their PG who has a limited skill set himself.

Mic drop….cant believe you are actually having to argue this lol

Self does best with a stud pg. Dee brown/Deron Williams, Mario/Sherron, Tyshawn/Ej, Frank/Devonte, Dotson, Remy

This team is on the worst two year run and people are still head so far up selfs arse to defend d2 and kj - comically bad analysis and explains why they coach jr high ball

The issue next year will be diggy/Elmarko playing over a pg transfer and under performing

Us not getting DP involved enough in the offense

Us in crucial situations trying to play through bigs for low block buckets versus giving dp the ball in pnr or letting him go 1 v 1

Self’s brain doesn’t compute basketball that way and never will. He’s getting more stubborn as we go. Defending guys, arguing with the media, calling out the fanbase and just blatant lack of accountability for the trash he’s putting out there. The W-L has been brutal and he’s taken zero accountability

Sawwffftttt

@Kcmatt7 said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:

You are such a literal person you can’t even evaluate things beyond the stat sheet.

Who finished both NC games at PG? National Championship on the line, who is in the game? Russ? Nope. Juan? Nope.

Remy played the final 9 minutes. Sherron played the final 15. Mario’s miracle, was Sherron or Russ in??? But hang the banner Russ! He did it! Juan won that Natty!

If you could add Remy Martin to this team and you’d have to drop Juan for the rest of the season you telling me you wouldn’t?

If you could add Russ or Sherron to this years team in place of Juan, who are you adding?

You're so zeroed in on one specific moment from each of those seasons that you're missing the point. Sherron amd Remy may have been on the floor towards the end of those games, but KU doesn't get to those moments without Russell Robinson and Dejuan Harris. It was never a one or the other argument that you're trying to claim, KU needed both PG's each year to win those titles. KU doesn't win in 2008 with only Sherron, KU doesn't win in 2022 with only Remy. Sherron needed Robinson in 2008 and Remy needed Harris in 2022.

What if.. I said again What if, BS completely adopts runner & gunner team or at least try one season. Just one season, when he won't need to rely so much on a PG or two. Draft only those who's got length, athleticism, ball handling skills - don't have to be prolific 3pt shooters, but the prior skill set is a must. We've got Marko, DP, Calderon, Kease, Rylo with those characteristics plus benchers like Storr, Tiller. If FB stays, great. I think we've got ourselves a run-gun A team next season. Plus, God forbid, BS' recruiting staff doesn't screw up, we can get 1-2 like DeVries or Ballo that'd be heaven.
I imagined FB would be molded by BS turning to someone like Ballo, but boy.. reality bites.

On a wonderful little side note, I read where Beasley was arrested this morning when trying to board a plane for possession of pot. not an awful lot - - 6 grams but still typical roflmao

@jay4ever this would be awesome but it is an alternate universe

The most stubborn coach who loves to win ugly is after decades just switch his philosophy….wont happen but man would it be fun with the athletes we might have next year

@Texas-Hawk-10 Both of those teams could have won without those two guys easily.

Any average pg especially in 2022 could have done it

You can’t say the same about not having Sherron or remy - without those guys especially remy then d2 would be bounced by creighton in rd32 yet again - shocker

Dude you’re the one zeroed in on a specific moment. You’re the one focused on NCs and not seasons.

I’m using your argument that a single game, the NC, was won because we had a scorer who ran the show.

@Kcmatt7 Yes, I'm focused on the national title seasons because that's the goal each season, not a Final Four and not an Elite 8. And in each of those two seasons, the two greatest seasons under Self, it was pass first PG starting with a scoring PG coming off the bench.

@Texas-Hawk-10 I have to agree with you on winning the Title for sure, there are so many who worry about where their team is ranked during the year, how many Conference championships --things of that Nature.

I've had other discussions with some where you have to point out , sure winning Conference Championships are nice BUT the bottom line is if you were to ask a player -- a Coach , team who the F - - - ever what the Ultimate goal of the Season would be ? -- to the man it's the NCAA Championship , for some their light just doesn't come on , not understanding lol.

Bottom line of it too is there are times even when the Best team and the body of work they have done over the course of the Season doesn't scheive the Championship , so many things go into that ride, how your seeded - -who you draw- -- -your regions bracket--- who is hot/on a roll at the time- -There can only be ONE winner in the end and everyone else ends their season with an L

Look at KU 1988- -we sure the hell wasn't the best team over the Season-- -NC States miracle run.
But anyways bottom line is you are absolutely 100 % right on a teams goal-- it's A National Title, and nothing else

Dang , little surprised after losing to the kittens we only dropped ONE spot in the AP - -dropped THREE in the Coach's , - went from 16/17th in Ap-- surprises me a bit, thought we would probably be like 23rd.-- -U Conn dropped out of AP- - & like 24th in the Coach's

@SlimShaddy54 said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:

Dang , little surprised after losing to the kittens we only dropped ONE spot in the AP - -dropped THREE in the Coach's , - went from 16/17th in Ap-- surprises me a bit, thought we would probably be like 23rd.-- -U Conn dropped out of AP- - & like 24th in the Coach's

We aren’t a Top 25 team IMO

@kjayhawks I know that , that's why I was surprised

@SlimShaddy54 SOS wise, we look so much tougher even getting beat-up by #60. lol

@jay4ever lol , you mean like tonight lmao

My goodness no game chat

@kjayhawks said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:

My goodness no game chat

Probably a good thing since we are tied at the first TV timeout against a team that is 0-12 in conference...

@DCHawker see what just needed one

@SlimShaddy54 #100 and won ugly.. but it's a good confidence building for the team and HC. Team will win double digits again against the Yutees before getting drained by BYU's 3s. I really want to see Flory deployed on the perimeter. That's the only answer to guard those 3s.

@kuballin10
You've got me there.