Basically, my feeling is if we lose Flory or DP its time to move on from Bill. Sorry to say thats where I think we are. Next season is his swan’s song, and only if he has a talented enough roster to do it “the Bill way”
Methinks some don’t remember what it was like under former coaches. The level of consistency Bill has had is unmatched.
@approxinfinity you should probably rename this post to coach bashing? It has nothing to do w/Elmarko anymore
@dylans well, I think you’ve at times been partial to
comparing basketball to other jobs, right? So, if a remarkably consistent president of a company had 3 down years in a row, should he be given a 4th, when its clear he wont have what he needs to be successful for that 4th year?
@Crimsonorblue22 ok.
There has been zero credible talk about losing either fwiw
@dylans said in If Bill’s roster falls apart…:
Methinks some don’t remember what it was like under former coaches. The level of consistency Bill has had is unmatched.
This is a low-key hilarious take. Former coaches you say? Which one? Roy Williams? The HOF coach who left over 20 years ago? Ya, most people probably don't remember that. Or did you mean Larry Brown? The other HOF coach who won a national championship at KU...who left almost 40 years ago. Or did you mean Ted Ownes...whose last season at KU was in 1983...over 40 years ago. Ya, most people probably don't remember that...because it was a lifetime ago.
I don't disagree with the take...but this is a pretty hilarious thing to say about a program that's had, what, 8 coaches in its entire history.
Regardless.. unlimited lifetime contract is just too ridiculous. Honestly, watching KU now is like watching McConnell during presser.
@approxinfinity said in If Bill’s roster falls apart…:
Basically, my feeling is if we lose Flory or DP its time to move on from Bill. Sorry to say thats where I think we are. Next season is his swan’s song, and only if he has a talented enough roster to do it “the Bill way”
For a usually level-headed guy this is really fucking stupid.
“We should fire the most successful coach in the history of our historic program after two seasons we still made the tourney.”
-People online who forget 60+ other major programs exist.
Like I said earlier this season it doesn’t matter the coach or the sport eventually time catches up and their philosophy don’t work anymore to most coaches unless you retire after a good season. It happen to Dean Smith, Bobby knight, Tom Landry and Hank Stram. It’s the ole Batman line either you die a hero or live long enough to become the villain.
Watching the chiefs now, sorta reminds me of watching KU lately, not much fun
@kjayhawks said in If Bill’s roster falls apart…:
Like I said earlier this season it doesn’t matter the coach or the sport eventually time catches up and their philosophy don’t work anymore to most coaches unless you retire after a good season. It happen to Dean Smith, Bobby knight, Tom Landry and Hank Stram. It’s the ole Batman line either you die a hero or live long enough to become the villain.
Dean Smith made a FF his final year coaching! And was only 4 years removed from his 2nd Natty Lmao.
So did K! Who missed the tourney at least once I can remember with Duke. But the game didn’t pass him by.
Izzo has had ups and downs and has a team who could definitely make a FF run this season.
What philosophy does Self have that is causing the game to pass him by?
@approxinfinity said in If Bill’s roster falls apart…:
@dylans well, I think you’ve at times been partial to
comparing basketball to other jobs, right? So, if a remarkably consistent president of a company had 3 down years in a row, should he be given a 4th, when its clear he wont have what he needs to be successful for that 4th year?
When you’re at the top there is no where else to go man. That’s just silly when he still has a company in the top 10% of all companies for winning and top 5 for revenue generation. It is a business right? What defines a successful business? $$$
@MoonwalkMafia said in If Bill’s roster falls apart…:
@dylans said in If Bill’s roster falls apart…:
Methinks some don’t remember what it was like under former coaches. The level of consistency Bill has had is unmatched.
This is a low-key hilarious take. Former coaches you say? Which one? Roy Williams? The HOF coach who left over 20 years ago? Ya, most people probably don't remember that. Or did you mean Larry Brown? The other HOF coach who won a national championship at KU...who left almost 40 years ago. Or did you mean Ted Ownes...whose last season at KU was in 1983...over 40 years ago. Ya, most people probably don't remember that...because it was a lifetime ago.
I don't disagree with the take...but this is a pretty hilarious thing to say about a program that's had, what, 8 coaches in its entire history.
Ok, so you don’t have much of a KU history. Enjoy it, it will change. We are spoiled and about to find out how much. It will thin out a bunch of the “fans” that are currently around.
Bill in a way is a victim of his own success. I remember the streak talk. How Bill cares more about, what is arguably one of the greatest sports accomplishments of all time, in the streak rather than focusing on a Natty.
Now in what is just a “bad” season (likely to end in a top 5 seed in the tournament for the 2nd season in a row), people are calling for his head.
Bunch of spoiled little babies you are. Unrealistic expectations are why Nebraska football is in the fucking toilet. Ungrateful and childish fanbase.
@Kcmatt7 said in If Bill’s roster falls apart…:
@kjayhawks said in If Bill’s roster falls apart…:
Like I said earlier this season it doesn’t matter the coach or the sport eventually time catches up and their philosophy don’t work anymore to most coaches unless you retire after a good season. It happen to Dean Smith, Bobby knight, Tom Landry and Hank Stram. It’s the ole Batman line either you die a hero or live long enough to become the villain.
Dean Smith made a FF his final year coaching! And was only 4 years removed from his 2nd Natty Lmao.
So did K! Who missed the tourney at least once I can remember with Duke. But the game didn’t pass him by.
Izzo has had ups and downs and has a team who could definitely make a FF run this season.
What philosophy does Self have that is causing the game to pass him by?
I didn’t say Coach K anywhere in my post and a lot of people were mad a Smith for only winning 2 titles with the guys he had. What about the others I listed?
@kjayhawks said in If Bill’s roster falls apart…:
@Kcmatt7 said in If Bill’s roster falls apart…:
@kjayhawks said in If Bill’s roster falls apart…:
Like I said earlier this season it doesn’t matter the coach or the sport eventually time catches up and their philosophy don’t work anymore to most coaches unless you retire after a good season. It happen to Dean Smith, Bobby knight, Tom Landry and Hank Stram. It’s the ole Batman line either you die a hero or live long enough to become the villain.
Dean Smith made a FF his final year coaching! And was only 4 years removed from his 2nd Natty Lmao.
So did K! Who missed the tourney at least once I can remember with Duke. But the game didn’t pass him by.
Izzo has had ups and downs and has a team who could definitely make a FF run this season.
What philosophy does Self have that is causing the game to pass him by?
I didn’t say Coach K anywhere in my post and a lot of people were mad a Smith for only winning 2 titles with the guys he had. What about the others I listed?
Two NFL coaches and Bobby Knight whose very clear phimosphy issue was that he was an extremely abusive shithead?
What specific philosophy does Bill Self have that the game has passed him by? Cmon. I want to hear it.
@Kcmatt7 playing 2 and 3 big men against teams with stretch 4s. Playing experience over talent this entire year. Bill Belichick is another prime example of dying a hero or living to become the villain. That’s pretty much how coaching and professional sports are buddy. You never ever even remotely convince me of other wise see examples almost every year.
@kjayhawks another NFL coach lol.
He’s won playing many different schemes. I won’t buy the idea he is stuck on a scheme that is out of date because he’s proven he’ll change.
Maybe he is too loyal for the era. Maybe. I’m not willing to fire him after a couple of “bad” seasons because of it lol.
@Kcmatt7 I’m not going to go back and forth here, as I said you will never even come remotely close to convincing me. Bill Self is a prime example of my argument, I’ve never seen more KU fans calling for change before this season started. It’s all over X and Facebook nearly every game. Very few coaches retire on good terms look at Florida states basketball coach Hambelton this year and Jim however the heck you spell his name at Miami this season. Two beloved coaches just a few short years ago.
Yes let’s fire the best coach we’ve ever had based on vibes.
Fire Andy Reid while we’re at it!
@Kcmatt7 I’m not necessarily saying firing him right now but his seat should start getting warm if next season is similar to these two. If he wins 7 games next year do you still say we can’t fire him he’s the best we’ve had? Time is undefeated on everyone my friend. Its the Lavar Ball Neva lost of life man
Beyond basketball, which Bill absolutely deserves to hang around, it would be a nearly $30 million expense plus paying buyouts and salaries of a new staff, so probably over $40 million total. Looking forward to the proposals on how to pay for that when we have NIL, RevShare, and finishing the stadium on the ADs books.
@FarmerJayhawk realistically Bill Self will be here for as long as he wants to be for many reasons. I just hope he leaves when the time is right for everyone and if we continue down our current path I hope it’s sooner rather than later. The last 2 years haven’t been fun and it’s hardly been the Kansas basketball we have grown to love under Roy and Bill. It’s sad but a very factual statement. I don’t look forward to the games anymore for the first time in my life.
@kjayhawks the Roy thing I don’t get. In 14 years at KU, he got bounced in the second round 5 times, the Sweet 16 4, Elite Eight once, 3 final fours, 2 championship games, 0 titles. By any measure Bill has been far better than Roy at KU. If Bill had Roy’s record at KU people would be chasing him out of Lawrence with torches and pitchforks.
I’ve always been a huge Self fan. And yes, he’s probably been the master of consistent winning basketball in D1 for his entire time at Kansas.
Last year and this year… it’s more than just the huge piles of losses. It’s the eye test over the season. It’s hard to see any appreciable gain with this team since December. Same with last year’s team. We are the most-experienced team in D1 but they often play like freshmen. That is extremely frustrating to watch. You have to wonder just what do these guys learn in practice?
It’s so frustrating that even with the knowledge of downgrading our program with a new coach, it’s hard not to wonder if it’s worth making the move.
I watch other teams, like Duke, UCONN, Gonzaga, etc etc etc and I see players coached up much higher.
I feel like I know Bill well enough to state that he won’t make huge changes in the program between now and when he retires. He definitely lost a step in his physicality that also means mentality, too.
The game is changing rapidly. We all know that. This isn’t Bill’s fault. We are already seeing older coaches stepping down because they know they can’t keep up. If Bill wants to keep going and with the possibility of bringing home another nattie, he’d have to make changes he doesn’t want to make. His assistants and staff, probably all, would need to go and replaced with youth, often lacking similar experience but gifted in other areas he’s untrained in. Hopefully, he would also have one of those guys structured as a protege/replacement.
So much of this is generational differences. I know if I was a recruit… I’d easily pick Duke over Kansas. I’m sure I could accept learning easier from Scheyer and his staff over Self and his staff. It’s generational.
@Kcmatt7 if you can refrain from calling me “really fucking stupid” because I express an opinion different than yours it would be appreciated.
Also, I didnt say fire him. I said move on from him. Yes, theres a difference. If Goff gives him next year with another diminshed roster, he can still “move on”, i.e. start thinking about life after Bill. Consider options, plan, figure out how to talk to Bill about it and have those conversations. I am in favor of Bill walking away on his own terms but in our 3rd consecutive down year, it becomes clear that he is having problems “leveling up” and navigating “the back nine”, and if it causes our roster construction next year to again be weak, which is a large chunk of the problem, then we arent solving anything and its time to figure out a peaceful transition of power.
@approxinfinity said in If Bill’s roster falls apart…:
@Kcmatt7 if you can refrain from calling me “really fucking stupid” because I express an opinion different than yours it would be appreciated.
Also, I didnt say fire him. I said move on from him. Yes, theres a difference. If Goff gives him next year with another diminshed roster, he can still “move on”, i.e. start thinking about life after Bill. Consider options, plan, figure out how to talk to Bill about it and have those conversations. I am in favor of Bill walking away on his own terms but in our 3rd consecutive down year, it becomes clear that he is having problems “leveling up” and navigating “the back nine”, and if it causes our roster construction next year to again be weak, which is a large chunk of the problem, then we arent solving anything and its time to figure out a peaceful transition of power.
Meh semantics.
Spoiled ass fanbase opinion. Won’t let it go unchecked. Suspend me or whatever I don’t really care. You guys need to get a grip on reality, it’s really sad to see.
“I didn’t say fire him, I said move on. There’s a difference!” lol whatever man.
@drgnslayr said in If Bill’s roster falls apart…:
I feel like I know Bill well enough to state that he won’t make huge changes in the program between now and when he retires. He definitely lost a step in his physicality that also means mentality, too.
The game is changing rapidly. We all know that. This isn’t Bill’s fault. We are already seeing older coaches stepping down because they know they can’t keep up. If Bill wants to keep going and with the possibility of bringing home another nattie, he’d have to make changes he doesn’t want to make. His assistants and staff, probably all, would need to go and replaced with youth, often lacking similar experience but gifted in other areas he’s untrained in. Hopefully, he would also have one of those guys structured as a protege/replacement.
So much of this is generational differences. I know if I was a recruit… I’d easily pick Duke over Kansas. I’m sure I could accept learning easier from Scheyer and his staff over Self and his staff. It’s generational.
The Zags who suck this year under 62 year old Few? And we’re a 5-seed last year?
Duke who the last two years with ungodly talent were a 4 and 5 seed in the tourney?
just all vibes with people here rn.
@FarmerJayhawk people were devastated when Roy left and I was definitely one of them. Only complaints I have of Roy is not recruiting East of the Mississippi and not winning the big game. Self had more first round exits that Roy in year two here and his winning percentage in round two is much worse than Roy’s.
@approxinfinity said in If Bill’s roster falls apart…:
@Kcmatt7 i am still level headed, and yes, I chose my words carefully. Moving on has no implicit timeframe, firing is inmediate.
Why would I suspend you? I want to debate without getting derailed by these being troubled times. Lets continue, please.
Its semantics. I mean, why would you even let him "waste" another season? If you don't think he can do the job, then stand on your words and proclaim them. Fire Bill Self!
I mean why give the guy a swan song if he sucks at coaching now? Rip off the band aid. Start the petitions. Start the fundraising. Let's get his ass out of here. I wouldn't even wipe my ass with a Bill Self autograph at this point he sucks so bad.
@kjayhawks said in If Bill’s roster falls apart…:
@FarmerJayhawk people were devastated when Roy left and I was definitely one of them. Only complaints I have of Roy is not recruiting East of the Mississippi and not winning the big game. Self had more first round exits that Roy in year two here and his winning percentage in round two is much worse than Roy’s.
Literally same number of NCAA tournament wins during Roy's UNC tenure as Bill had here.
45 to 45.
@approxinfinity said in If Bill’s roster falls apart…:
@Kcmatt7 are you being level headed right now? Lol
I'm on team vibes now bro. You changed my mind. Bill Self can't coach his way out of a wet paper bag anymore. If he loses a single recruit I may not watch him coach another game either.
We should seriously look at Tang as a replacement.
@approxinfinity said in If Bill’s roster falls apart…:
@Kcmatt7 Having a HOF coach who is stuck in his ways languish for 3 years as the landscape of college basketball shifts under his feet and most of his peers retire is hard.
These are not “normal” times.
I know. Fire him! Scott Drew as a replacement? Who's your shortlist?
@approxinfinity said in If Bill’s roster falls apart…:
@Kcmatt7 i never said fire him, i never said he sucks or can’t coach. Those are your frustrations being projected.
X’s and O’s has never been a problem for Self.
This is about roster construction.
You know what recruits really well? Crazy Faith.
@nuleafjhawk not even freshman bathwater. Old man transfer and upperclassmen bathwater.
How good would last years team have been if the rapist wouldn't have raped or Kevin's knee would've been ok and Timberlake would've been as advertised?
@approxinfinity said in If Bill’s roster falls apart…:
@Kcmatt7 your deep devotion to Bill is endearing. Dont change, bro.
I mean when a guy wins 2 Nattys he should be basically untouchable. There are 8 programs in the history of the sport with more than 2 nattys. Programs. Not coaches. Programs. His last natty wasn't even 5 years ago. You don't just "move on" from guys who have proven they can win the big one.
It is actually more likely than not that Mark Pope doesn't win a Natty at Kentucky than he does. UCLA has won only one Natty since Wooden-era. In '95. Indiana hasn't won one since Knight.
It is a hard thing to do and this fanbase doesn't appreciate that enough.
@nuleafjhawk said in If Bill’s roster falls apart…:
@StLJhawk One difference being that the Chiefs have won consistently for at least 3 years (although not convincingly this year) and KU has sucked bathwater for 2+ years.
Remind me what happens when you change that to 3+
@Crimsonorblue22 maybe pretty good? But who recruited a rapist and an underwhelming mid major player, and played Kevin 34.2 mpg?
You arent wrong, and its worth giving credit to the vision, but theres also some responsibility for the outcome.
We still had an underwhelming frontcourt @Crimsonorblue22 and didnt recruit to need there
@approxinfinity who could foresee the future?
I believe we beat UConn too.
@dylans solid take. Thanks for the financial perspective. I wonder how a stretch of 4 underwhelming years affects brand and valuation.
Maybe a better question. To @Kcmatt7 @Crimsonorblue22 too.
Total hypothetical here. Lets say Bill wants to coach for 15 more years with similar roster problems the whole time and tourney flame outs. Give me a number of years. How many? How many years of this does he get before he needs to be convinced it is time to hang it up?
Mind you I don't think that Bill is infallible. His love affair with guys like Juan, KJ, Garrett, Traylor and Lucas have definitely limited his teams at times. I think he has really struggled with 1-year guys historically. In an era of a ton more 1-year guys I'm not surprised Bill is having some issues.
But what is the standard? You can't go to a Natty or FF every season. Do we really care THAT much about a 2nd round flameout with a team that didn't' gel vs. an EE run?
Is he not entitled to a disappointing season after performing what felt like the impossible with some THIN rosters during the streak. The Natty runner up team where Justin-freaking-Wesley was getting rotational minutes should earn you grace when 5-seed season happens.
Coach k was a 6 seed or worse 6 times at Duke.
At KU, Bill Self has never been worse than a 4 seed. I mean, seriously, you folks do not appreciate this level of consistency enough.
@approxinfinity said in If Bill’s roster falls apart…:
@dylans solid take. Thanks for the financial perspective. I wonder how a stretch of 4 underwhelming years affects brand and valuation.
Maybe a better question. To @Kcmatt7 @Crimsonorblue22 too.
Total hypothetical here. Lets say Bill wants to coach for 15 more years with similar roster problems the whole time and tourney flame outs. Give me a number of years. How many? How many years of this does he get before he needs to be convinced it is time to hang it up?
When he misses a tourney and he's more than 5 years removed from a Natty, I'll draft the petition myself.
The only reason this team is underwhelming is the talent was over-rated by the media, and because there are only 2 “it” coaches right now. That’s creates false expectations of being the number 1 team in the land.
The fans (short for fanatics let’s remember) start to froth at the mouth thinking about winning a crapshoot of a tournament. It’s in the bag with that preseason number one ranking. How could it not be? Then the reality of the season plays out and the team has more of a sweet 16 ceiling. Fans get pissed that they rooted for one of the best 20 teams in the nation, but not the one that got hot during the tournament.
Ever see a snake eating its own tail?
@Crimsonorblue22 i think there were warning signs with Morris that were ignored, and there were other more proven D1 transfers than Timberlake we passed on. Not recruiting another big on that roster made no sense too.
had he recruited someone who could spell mccullar he wouldnt have needed to run him 34.2
I dont really understand how these arent questionable decisions, and how the head coach isn’t culpable, at least from the outside looking in, as we admittedly are.
@Kcmatt7 it's like K-Stater's calling for Bill Snyder's head. ( I don't know if they did or not...just an example). That dude single handedly resurrected Purple Football from an absolute death sentence and made them consistently respectable. IMO it's in line with what Self has done with KU Basketball. Self is not MY problem with KU Basketball right now. It's the F-ing portal. It's the NIL. I know I've harped on it a lot, but it bugs the crap out of me. I want 4 year players who play for the love of the game and not for God only knows how much pay they get for doing a Ford commercial.
Self is not the (only) problem. They players have to play. Any guy that does THIS - should not have to answer to fans about his performance:
He has two national championships, 20 regular season conference titles, nine conference tournament championships and the most wins of any coach in Kansas history.
@approxinfinity said in If Bill’s roster falls apart…:
@Kcmatt7 Barnes got fired for less ;) failed to make sweet 16 seven years in a row. but ok. Look at Texas now, right?
Thats a number. Thanks.
For less? Remind me how many National Championships he has? Remind me who has done better since he left. UT or Tennessee?
@Kcmatt7 right. But my point is that people get tired of fizzling out in the tournament consistently.
We can revisit after year 5 I guess.
If Bill retains his roster next year and bolsters with a few good portal pieces there is a good chance we will not be having these conversations. Fingers crossed
@nuleafjhawk said in If Bill’s roster falls apart…:
@Kcmatt7 it's like K-Stater's calling for Bill Snyder's head. ( I don't know if they did or not...just an example). That dude single handedly resurrected Purple Football from an absolute death sentence and made them consistently respectable. IMO it's in line with what Self has done with KU Basketball. Self is not MY problem with KU Basketball right now. It's the F-ing portal. It's the NIL. I know I've harped on it a lot, but it bugs the crap out of me. I want 4 year players who play for the love of the game and not for God only knows how much pay they get for doing a Ford commercial.
Self is not the (only) problem. They players have to play. Any guy that does THIS - should not have to answer to fans about his performance:
He has two national championships, 20 regular season conference titles, nine conference tournament championships and the most wins of any coach in Kansas history.
They are so lucky Snyder came back to resurrect the program a 2nd time. He owed them nothing. They did run him off after a couple of missed bowl games, and they got Ron Prince for it. Should be a lesson to all.
Also - Syder had just won 11 games consecutively right before the two bad seasons. But he was washed after two bad seasons... Only to return at age 70 and salvage the program for that 2nd time. And then get ran off for a 2nd time after a 5-7 season 9 years later (having won 8 games the season before). Though I think he did assist in the coaching search and had a lot to do with them getting Kleiman who has been pretty solid.
@Kcmatt7 said in If Bill’s roster falls apart…:
Though I think he did assist in the coaching search and had a lot to do with them getting Kleiman who has been pretty solid.
And theres the hook I am looking for, the bridge.
Peaceful transition of power.
I want Bill and Goff to figure out what that looks like before he is riding on fumes.
Goff has to keep Bill on task here.
@approxinfinity said in If Bill’s roster falls apart…:
@Kcmatt7 right. But my point is that people get tired of fizzling out in the tournament consistently.
We can revisit after year 5 I guess.
If Bill retains his roster next year and bolsters with a few good portal pieces there is a good chance we will not be having these conversations. Fingers crossed
Fans do get impatient. Kentucky ran off Cal for that.
I think one thing nobody talks about is that UConn collecting infinity stones the way they have has put a lot of pressure on other programs. Fans want that. UNC fans want that. Duke fans want that. KU fans want that. I think it is part of what lead to Cal's departure from UK. Flameouts and UConn winning back to back kind of broke the camel's back there.
I get it. I'd like to make some moves on UK/Duke/UNC/UConn and claim our rightful spot as the best program in the country with the titles to prove it.
Like him or loathe him Scheyer was running much of the show for years already before K stepped away
@approxinfinity said in If Bill’s roster falls apart…:
@Kcmatt7 said in If Bill’s roster falls apart…:
Though I think he did assist in the coaching search and had a lot to do with them getting Kleiman who has been pretty solid.
And theres the hook I am looking for, the bridge.
Peaceful transition of power.
I want Bill and Goff to figure out what that looks like before he is riding on fumes.
Goff has to keep Bill on task here.
Well it helped that Snyder was 79 years old at that time... I get what you're saying. I personally don't want Bill involved with his own replacement. It has been a disaster so far everywhere they've done that. Syracuse, Nova and UNC to name a few. Izzo was seemingly holding MSU hostage only to be having a fantastic season...
Of course I want a peaceful transition, but I think that could be 10 years from now. You can't just force this kind of thing on a guy who doesn't want it.
@nuleafjhawk lolol
Why this is a lovely thread!
Lots of anger seeping over between KState and the Chiefs this weekend.
@rockchalkjayhawk I mean we have kept it on the rails and civil. Im proud of us tbh, rough rough week for Kansas sports for sure
There is a lot of talk here focused on lineups, NIL, and transfers, but everyone is missing the one common factor in all of Self's F4 teams. What we need to turn around the KU basketball skid is another Teahan.
2000 was the last time we were an 8 seed. Beat Depaul, played Duke tough. Roy had gone the 3 years (gasp) between the 1997 upset and 2000 without making it to the 2nd week of the tourney and were really pretty low years for this program. But Roy hit some recruiting home runs and the next year we made it to the sweet 16 with the young trio of Nick, Kirk and Drew, 3 first name guys that most of us know well. Bill is recruiting at a high level and makes me think this is going to turn around soon.
Of course this year ain't over. We don't have a Danny Manning on this team but I'd say we have guys that are better than anyone else that played on that 88 team. That team lost 5 in a row right at this time of year and of course got hot and made history. We have talent to win a lot of games. Hoping it gels here.
I don't believe Self is going to be KU's coach 5 years from now. I believe he'll retire within the next 5 years because of how much he detests what college basketball is becoming. There's a reason why he turned down the NBA when he had a chance, there's a reason he's never really been involved with USA Basketball (probably more of an Adidas vs. Nike think though), his dislike of NIL and the transfer portal.
With as much roster turnover as there's been recently, it's not going to be a culture shock to have to essentially bring in a new team. I really could see next season being Self's last with the group he should have next year and then hanging it up.
I do hope that whenever that day comes, it's something that's announced either before the season ends or within a week or two of the season ending so KU isn't the boat of being forced to promote from within because I don't think any of the current assistants deserve the head coaching job.
Personally, the coach I would go grab is Will Wade. Everything he got in NCAA trouble from is legal now and he could easily be here for 20+ years.
@Texas-Hawk-10 I was just going to say I think next year will be Bills last. He has stated he didn't want to follow in a trend of long time like K-- Boheim and such. He stated that he wasn't finished but thought he was on the back nine, wanting to retire early enough to be able to enjoy time with his wife and the grandkids.
Everything I've heard and realize that having to recruit kids-- on the road recruiting so much is really grueling /hard being away so much. Coach now with this dam NIL & portal is just to much. ?Basically having to practically recruit huge roster turnover almost every year.
Coach is not a big NIL/Portal guy he said they are good but both of them put together at the same time is not Now he catching all this shade from the 250-0 career beer guzzling/hoagie sandwich Couch Coach's just to much- -saying screw this , don't blame him one bit - We won't have any problem pulling one of these Couch Coachs that know so much more about the game and how it should be run- -we will be fine
@SlimShaddy54 i’m more of a career 75% rec league win percentage, kombucha guzzling cava munching dad. I’m fancy. But yeah, Im ok with being lumped with the beer guzzling hoagie muncher couch coaches. Its fine, forget I said anything.
@approxinfinity LMAO , well sir I think when it comes to our selection of our next Upper Crust Coach- - - YOU will have to be relegated to a Tier 2 candidate--- - you are just on the edge of credibility lol
Maybe all the inconsistent play we have seen in the last couple years is player related only. All his talk of what standard he wants from players after games like Saturday is good insight to the struggles. He doesnt sound surprised his team is still playing this way.
No way I want Bill fired but I'm at a loss of words for some of what we are seeing. I think we can all recognize that Bill is in fact in the last years of his career. It's on the horizon.
I can't imagine he hangs it up without his legacy having one more big time run. He's been the ultimate competitor as a coach and that's been the fuel to much of the success we've been so spoiled with. This year was supposed to be high expectations based on the roster churn and enough of a core returning to compete for all of the season accolades. We've had no major long term injury concerns that usually derail a season like this. We have plenty of depth at most positions. We have plenty of guys that have scored a lot of pts in their career and won a lot of games. A few of them even played on a National Championship winning team.
So what is the problem then?
@BeddieKU23 I think there isn’t one single problem with this bunch. Most of the issues the blame falls on Bills shoulders IMO. To walk up to a press conference after you just got taken to the wood shed by Gonzaga and say you were thinking about next years team, building it and how it would be different. Basically in old school terms his mouth wrote a check his ass couldn’t cash. He hand picked these guys and they cohesively suck donkey ass. We all knew AJ was a problem with effort and staying engaged @wissox said it all year last year as a Wisconsin fan. We all knew Zeke couldn’t play defense to save his life. We all knew Hunter doesn’t play defense and KJ isn’t a guy you want starting and playing 30 plus minutes on a good basketball team. We all knew Juan isn’t aggressive enough and doesn’t have any leadership skills. It’s definitely on the players as well but they did get asked to come here. I think this team need a vocal leader as I’ve said many times the best teams I’ve played on and coach had very vocal guys that held each other highly accountable.
@kjayhawks We don't actually know what KU's big board looked like in regards to the transfer portal. We also don't know a complete list of who did or did not express interest in coming to KU through the portal.
We also don't know what the scouting reports the assistants put together that were responsible for scouting potential transfer players because Bill isn't doing that on his own.
In regards to AJ, KU struggled to manufacture points last season because they didn't have anyone who could do that. What was AJ's reputation on offense? Someone who could create his own shot. The logic was fine in pursuing AJ and we've seen Self and staff turn other players with similar reputations into serviceable players. We've also seen it backfire as well even before AJ. I'm also not ready to fully write AJ off yet because we were having these same discussions about Remy Martin this time of season 3 years ago before the light finally came on for him. That also doesn't mean I expect the same thing to happen with the light coming on for AJ, just that it didn't happen for Remy until March and there were similar discussions of people writing him off in February as well.
The scouting issues are also why I believe there's needs to be a shake up with the assistant coaches because that's where a lot of the deficiencies in regards to being prepared and who to target in recruiting comes from. Self is the big picture game plans, but the assistants are doing to poor job of preparing those plans.
We also know Hunter is the source of the chemistry issues on this team. There's too much smoke there for it to not have some merit. We saw that with Arkansas last season with their rumored guy love triangle within the team and that turned a team picked 3rd in the SEC and a dark horse Final Four pick in the preseason to a losing record overall and a 12th place finish in conference play.
Getting Hunter out of the program I think will be good, and hopefully KU doesn't give any more players 7 figure NIL deals to transfers because those don't seem to work to well for many of those players.
@Texas-Hawk-10 all valid points for sure and yes I agree whomever is doing our scouting/recruiting is absolutely terrible at their job. One thing that continues to drive me insane is with our depth, why don’t we push the ball more? Basketball 101 easiest way to score is to beat the others teams defense down the floor. Remember when we used to be deadly in the open floor and teams were scared of us running. Now Juan for some reason just lazily walks the ball up the floor 99.9% of the time. When we push he ain’t doing it.
If it’s me, I’m hiring a front office type group with a GM, recruiting guys, and analysts to do all the portal scouting and most of the recruiting. It’s clearly paid huge dividends on the football side and I’m not sure a small handful of assistant coaches can handle coaching, scouting, the portal, and NIL. Go get some young, hungry guys who want to prove themselves. I’d look at the NBA first.
Telling @approxinfinity he's "really f....ing stupid" is without a doubt the worst thing I've seen written by a bucketeer ever. Approx saved us from being lost in cyber space when we left the LJW chat site. He found us and we came and barely skipped a beat. I don't know any clue how he sets this up, maintains it, pays for it, and/or tolerates the inane comments from so many of us and keeps it going. I didn't find his position on Self to come anywhere near to intolerably disagreeable, just an opinion that some agree with, others might not.
Thanks Sir for what you do. We appreciate it. This is a great community.
@FarmerJayhawk not a bad idea we have to do something different obviously. As much as I’ve stuck up for Self and enjoyed his time here. This is a new age, we can’t go out there and do the same thing as the past 20 years and be successful. Like I said on another thread losing at home to average teams, getting blown out on the road and going home first weekend of The NCAAs. That’s not Kansas Basketball unless we keep down the same path. Stat people I’m curious how many home games we have lost the last 5 or 6 years think it’s now over half Selfs 20 home losses. God AFH used to be the most feared gym on planet now it’s just another court to shoot on smh sad sad reality.
@wissox for sure it was a little harsh which I know I am at times especially with @Texas-Hawk-10 but he’s truly on of my favorite people to go back and forth with and would enjoy having a beer with most of posters on here.
Great idea
@kjayhawks said in If Bill’s roster falls apart…:
@Texas-Hawk-10 all valid points for sure and yes I agree whomever is doing our scouting/recruiting is absolutely terrible at their job. One thing that continues to drive me insane is with our depth, why don’t we push the ball more? Basketball 101 easiest way to score is to beat the others teams defense down the floor. Remember when we used to be deadly in the open floor and teams were scared of us running. Now Juan for some reason just lazily walks the ball up the floor 99.9% of the time. When we push he ain’t doing it.
Basketball 101 also says if you have the more talented team, you want to increase possessions to exploit that talent gap. This team doesn't have that talent gap, so this is why I've advocated going back to Self's bad ball of turning games in rock fights played in the 50's and 60's. The best KU has looked overall this season was when Self went with a defensive oriented line up and turned up the pressure on that end.
@Texas-Hawk-10 at times both have worked for this team. I’m not sure which is the correct for going further in March at this point in time
@Crimsonorblue22 Who wouldn't want to coach at KU? But we have got to make the position available first, right? That's the hardest part.
@FarmerJayhawk said in If Bill’s roster falls apart…:
If it’s me, I’m hiring a front office type group with a GM, recruiting guys, and analysts to do all the portal scouting and most of the recruiting. It’s clearly paid huge dividends on the football side and I’m not sure a small handful of assistant coaches can handle coaching, scouting, the portal, and NIL. Go get some young, hungry guys who want to prove themselves. I’d look at the NBA first.
That’s how I see it too, model it after the pros. That’s what college bball is now.
I wonder if a good ol’ student protest would shake things up here—maybe with some catchy chants like, “No Trophy, No Tenure!” This feels like another wild what-if scenario. Honestly, there are probably a ton of colleges out there with a “win or walk” contract: if the head coach doesn’t haul in a national championship within eight years or at least crash two Final Fours, he’s getting the boot. No pressure, coach! 😆
Never let the inmates run the show. That’s what I’m gathering here. Lol
@Texas-Hawk-10 @kjayhawks imo starting Dajuan Mayo Rylan Bidunga and Hunter gives us our best chance. We need scoring and defense to start and we can then morph into a defensive lineup if we build a lead to protect with Shak at the 1 or 2, and KJ as the other big alongside Flory.
All other lineups are liabilities imo, unless luck is on our side. There is no offensive oriented equivalent that doesnt blow donkey butt.
@kjayhawks said in If Bill’s roster falls apart…:
@Texas-Hawk-10 at times both have worked for this team. I’m not sure which is the correct for going further in March at this point in time
KU's not going to have the more talented more for most of their match ups past the first round. I'd go with slow it down and muddy the games up to limit possessions.
I'd be interested to know what our time of possession is on offense currently and where that ranks to past teams/national rank. I'm not sure limiting possessions on that end helps us with a whole bunch of guys who can't shoot well. Your two starting bigs are making only 50% of their attempts. This has been a very limited offensive team outside a handful of games. But I'm sure there's probably something to gain by limiting possessions once you accept you don't have an offensive juggernaut team. Is that even something that can be changed this late?
I realize we don't have the make up on this team at the present to do this but I still think our best team is when we get out and run, run , run , after missed Ft's- after made Baskets- - after missed shots.-- just RUN Roy use to have us running loved it.
I think we DO have some that could fit that type now-- like Flory - -- Diggy - - --Rylan- - -Peterson next year , we need good fluid mobile five man - -sure not like Dickinson - -really good fluid smooth wings - -PG's - -( umm hello Darryn ) let it fly . Recruit fluid , mobile , quick depth bench wise also - -just GO work other teams over with the pace-- just think a lot better way to go other then post some sloth down low and wait for him to miss chip shots off his 2 inch explosion and offense that is slow and methodical limited possessions are in the past , we got to go
@approxinfinity 3 years*
@Texas-Hawk-10 Bill has never emphasized or pushed playing the run, run, run game
We have to be down 10-15 and then we push it (I’m meaning even good 2022 teams)
I 100% agree based on what this years team has shown we gotta try to win ugly but had we leveraged our talent early like against Duke it’s the opposite of go out score people
We play our best when maximizing possessions and it’s why we look good early on every year. Then bill says we didn’t play defense
Then we do whatever that looks like and the offense completely plummets
When he lets them play free and get out offensively we got a better chance than “winning ugly”
This years team sucks because of the big 3 and they can’t hardly score with anyone so you gotta win 61-59 which won’t work for 6 straight games but it is their only option based on the neutered roster
@kuballin10 Nah, not just because of the big three, I’d say. A great coach will be able to model plays based on each player's capability, instead of forcing them to play his way. That's what we're seeing night in and night out.
Flory will flourish had he played in teams like Miami, or MSU. There's something really wrong when you see transfers' numbers go down across the board. The system is bad. Period.
@jay4ever said in If Bill’s roster falls apart…:
@kuballin10 Nah, not just because of the big three, I’d say. A great coach will be able to model plays based on each player's capability, instead of forcing them to play his way. That's what we're seeing night in and night out.
Flory will flourish had he played in teams like Miami, or MSU. There's something really wrong when you see transfers' numbers go down across the board. The system is bad. Period.
Those are WILD examples
@FarmerJayhawk That's the point.
@jay4ever said in If Bill’s roster falls apart…:
@FarmerJayhawk That's the point.
Miami who is terrible and MSU who doesn’t really use the portal? Unless it’s sarcasm I missed?
As you said when he lets them play free and get out offensively. We are a better team when/if we play hard and without fear. Really it is without having to worry about being pulled if you take a non-Self shot from three which is a missed shots. Let them sort it out. When you go 1 out of 12 over two games there are options like Storr over Rylan or Coit over Shak. If you dog it getting back on defense or don't fight around a screen, etc, then you deserve to be put in time out. I agree with 61-59 as a loser and we have gone three out of five wins over and over this season. Bill is a great coach so you will have to take it up on yourself to make a splash and if you can't do that which is not likely with AJ or Rylan then we see 18 minutes for Flory and 30+ for KJ. No one will step it up over six games that I can see.
@FarmerJayhawk I think the point is he’d get more run, be better and showcase more
Same with Cam Spencer last year. If he came to KU he wouldn’t have been as successful
Griffen and AJ proved it at other schools. Both were more successful elsewhere
Rylan shoots a 3 and if he misses he’s looking over his shoulder. At bama Oats is screaming keep shooting
Self should elevate all his players to get the absolute best out of them. Instead he admitted to mind f’n AJ and speaks of those transfers not coming along quick enough. They’ve proven it elsewhere so it’s his philosophy and system that’s the issue not elevating his guys.
Imagine if he treated those guys the same as his 3 boys? Maybe they would play better.
Talked with multiple buddies who are all diehards like us and they are seeing the same thing. Long leash, his favorites, body language by guys getting the quick yank ect
Another example - Liam McNeely had 38 last night in a 70-66 win at creighton
No way he is allowed to shoot 22 times here as a frosh. I doubt DP will be allowed to do that.
Gotta play dolla bill’s system and he’s a frosh so missing 1 three that Bill doesn’t agree with and you get the bench until mid second half
Kease got the yank for a 3 where the ball worked inside out. Hand down man down and bill still didn’t care
This is why guys don’t play with confidence here. Don’t shoot 3’s, win 54-52….man just retire this year Bill let’s bring in a coach who can adapt and let guys play loose
Watch us actually elevate once he does
It is great to hear high profile coaches talk about Kansas as a destination school. If we are spoiled ass Kansas fans I would like to be spoiled for another couple decades
@kuballin10 I would be shocked/stunned if we didn't change our tempo next year, or at least give it an extended run. - With the make up of what is a good foundation of very up tempo with ( Flory if he returns ) - -Peterson - -Diggy ( if he comes back -you will have a very solid for this to work with.
Go to the portal get you a couple of smooth SF or Guards/combo- - Hell MAYBE Rylan will come back- -lol , doubtful but maybe, I think Rylan would thrive bette in a more open style up tempo game then this whatever were running now.
believe it or not players love getting out and go Coach ha the wrong type of players in this offense to fit -you can't put thorough Breds in a dam Mule race--won't work. As I stated in another post, the offense Bill is running just looks like a mess- -ugly to watch, bogs down , no flo , no rhythm.-- Like I say I would think with the possible make up of next yrs roster- -you got to change tempo.-- Griffen , Peterson ,, Flory , Diggy would be a great start
@SlimShaddy54 I’d love that but it is never been who Bill is. He wants to win ugly and win defensive shootouts and “play bad but make the other team play worse”
Rather than just focusing on us playing our best he tried to hedge against us playing poorly instead of trying to maximize playing great ball
I’ve never seen a bill self team run until they are down double digits. It’s why we have so many upsets because we have horses he just holds them back from running
No teams have been like Roy’s brand of ball. The closest was the Graham-svi-Malik-Vick team that just ran to Chuck 3’s. They were seniored enough that Bill couldn’t yank them all. We then got Dok back reverted to slow it down and throw it inside and got boatraced avainst nova. We didn’t defend the 3 point line cause Bill hates “easy baskets” which to him is defend inside-out because he can’t grasp that a shot close to the rim albeit guarded is still more difficult than a wide open 3.
His thinking is drastically flawed. You’d think he’d see all of KJ’s “close to the basket” misses versus a zeke wide open 3 and figure out the zeke 3 is better BUT NOPE he prefers throwing it in to kj or getting kj 1v1 for a last second completely contested shot - because it’s uh uh closer to the basket so don’t analytics say uh uh that’s a higher percentage shot??? - no Bill ur analytics department needs to be fired
@kuballin10 LOL "...no Bill ur analytics department needs to be fired" - he needs to start using Deepsheeet - AI-powered Sports Analyst.
Diggy said he would be eager to return next year. Does have the extra year. Hopefully he does
@BeddieKU23 said in If Bill’s roster falls apart…:
Diggy said he would be eager to return next year. Does have the extra year. Hopefully he does
As long as he's fine with being a back up. If he's expecting to start of Elmarko, or anyone else Self and staff may bring in, then it's going to be a problem.
The guards for next season appear to be Elmarko, Diggy, Peterson, and McDowell.
Passmore could play the 2 as well, but he's more of a wing with Storr and Griffen.
We all thought we'd lose more players to the portal than we did last season and NIL was likely a huge part of that.
I know not many people really want to see AJ Storr return, but with how much he's allegedly making in NIL here this season, does he return because of financial reasons? Does anybody know if he's still with his girlfriend that was a big factor in transferring to KU or have they broken up at some point?
@Texas-Hawk-10 I know one of the radio guys was talking to Storr, post game, about his gf. Seems good.
Discussion somewhere on these pages of thinking of names to replace Self (which I'm not advocating for). I've always like Fred Hoiberg. I'm sure someone tells me what's wrong with that but he was good at ISU, been decent at a place which has never had winning basketball in Nebraska and I think is still young enough, 52 to get some good years out of. Given the recruiting advantages of KU he might do well. I don't know the assistant coach ranks well enough to even mention anyone. Mid major coaches like Self was of course grow up into superstars too. But we can't make the mistake of hiring someone who raced to the Elite 8/FF surprising everyone along the way thinking he'll be the next great thing. The guy at Seton Hall who stayed local after St. Peters beat highly seeded Kentucky a few years back. SHall isn't all that great. Frankly I'm not looking forward to it happening but it will.
At this point I wouldn't be surprised to see Bill step away after one of the next few seasons including this one.
@Texas-Hawk-10 It is right up bills alley to stick with coit over ej or some recruit we bring in
For some reason bill likes how diggy plays but we won’t win a title or even big 12 title with him starting or getting big minutes
I love that Diggy is coming back. He’s a perfect 8/9th man and won’t chase away any portal guys
I’m still trying to wrap my head around this—just look at this dude!
Flo lives to rack up points! He’s a blocking machine, crashes the boards like a pro…
So why isn’t he getting more touches? Does the coach believe in him? Do his teammates trust him to deliver?
He’s a STRIKER. FLO LOVES TO PUT BALLS IN THE NETS. LET HIM COOK!
I don't care if everyone else is leaving, but Flo must not go.
Can you imagine him and Sammy, DP kicking everybody's arses!
I'm keeping my hopes up.
@jay4ever said in If Bill’s roster falls apart…:
I’m still trying to wrap my head around this—just look at this dude!
Flo lives to rack up points! He’s a blocking machine, crashes the boards like a pro…
So why isn’t he getting more touches? Does the coach believe in him? Do his teammates trust him to deliver?
He’s a STRIKER. FLO LOVES TO PUT BALLS IN THE NETS. LET HIM COOK!
He's not strong enough and he fouls too much. On defense, he still falls for seemingly every shot fake which leads to him picking up a bunch of cheap fouls. He's also just not physically strong enough to dominate yet. He's had plenty of rebounds stolen from him and he gets pushed off his spot too easily around other bigs.
The fouling issue will hopefully come with experience and he learns the game more. The second issue with his strength will be fixed in time and we should see a huge leap next season once he goes through a full off season strength and conditioning program and starts to fill out his frame more. The key there is determining what his ideal weight is to added the necessary strength while keeping his explosiveness .
@Texas-Hawk-10 Fair enough. Are you coach Nijeem? That's what he's been telling Flo.
I hear ya. That's why he needs minutes. We've seen KJ lost ball just as much. One thing coaching staff never corrects, his arms are always hanging instead of anticipate passes. Flo is born ready... to score. But yeah, I guess he needs to be able to protect ball in possession and learn how to lock down in the paint, etc..
@jay4ever said in If Bill’s roster falls apart…:
@Texas-Hawk-10 Fair enough. Are you coach Nijeem? That's what he's been telling Flo.
I hear ya. That's why he needs minutes. We've seen KJ lost ball just as much. One thing coaching staff never corrects, his arms are always hanging instead of anticipate passes. Flo is born ready... to score. But yeah, I guess he needs to be able to protect ball in possession and learn how to lock down in the paint, etc..
More game minutes doesn’t fix Flory's strength issue. There is no short cut for Flory bulking up, he just needs time in the weight room as he continues to physically mature. KJ's issues are not the same as Flory's. KJ rarely loses a ball once he gains possession of it. He just has stone hands and struggles to gain possession of the ball at times.
@Texas-Hawk-10 as long as Flory’s strength isnt a health risk, the benefits of his play outweigh the limitations. If he gets stripped three times a game, or muscled out, he still is super active on the glass; he is getting stripped because he is getting to balls that KJ does not. Nobody would accuse Kevin Durant of being strong (I know they are very different players). You dont need to be strong to have a positive impact.
Also, I know you are an advocate for more even minute distribution. Yes, KJ is more mature, but I see Flory being capable of being more effective in most situations than KJ right now.
@Texas-Hawk-10 Huh that doesn’t compute with his performances when he started and played 25-30 mpg
What are you basing your analysis on exactly because it isn’t results when given the minutes
You sound like what the staff thinks will happen if he gets extended run but it was proven the opposite actually…..and you’re still claiming “not strong enough - pushed off his spot” as some highly objective analysis.
Flory opens up the offense but more importantly is so impactful on defense with an actual rim protector. He blocks AND alters shots.
If dolla bill actually cared about defense and “stopping easy baskets” - Flory would never come out. More proof dolla bill’s own philosophy goes out the window for his favorites
@approxinfinity The fact we are even arguing impact on the game between these two is comically bad.
One guy stepped in and changed the game on both ends. I don’t care about nba potential but it is even more damning proof (based on draft boards) to go along with the actual results on the court
The whole 80 mpg 3 guys - 26-27 mpg hasn’t panned out and it won’t
Disclaimer: I am more invested in quality portmanteaus than in catagorizing the team realistically. Do you guys like “slothrocious dismayfense”?
@approxinfinity I love that! But I don’t think it applies to this team, except for the second half of that game I’m still trying to forget
@approxinfinity hmmm... slothrocious dismayfense - No results found.. search google - directed to your post.. - google translate: sloth ROC IOUs dismay pink...
i'm at lost. sorry, old timer here. lolz..
A question that becomes a vital piece for NEXT years roster is even though he is a sloth a wreck on defense , the Question becomes how do we replace Hunters offensive production where he is usually putting up right at twenty per game. Who is gonna fill that void ?
Flory probably gonna be the starting five right ?-- So Flory has a lot of upside , gonna be good , but right now and next year he is still raw, especially offensively lot of growing to do offensively , not even sure he will come close point wise to Hunter ever , just not that type - -or at least not yet. So in that respect were gonna be weak, you figure even if Flory jumps to twelve/thirteen a game next year that's still a sufficent drop-- for sure going to be a big spot to fill point production wise
@SlimShaddy54 I'm confident that Peterson can step in and replace hunter's production
Balanced scoring would obviously be good, even with Peterson bolstering a pretty average perimeter offense. Think the question about interior scoring is still valid. I also think Flory has shown some creativity as well as versatility (he just goes after it and gets to things) that can translate to consistent buckets with 30 mpg. We should still recruit another offensively skilled big I think.
@rcjhdraft Then who is taking Mayo's- - Peterson filling Mayo's point production
@rcjhdraft You need a five man to take Hunters point production- Peterson stepping in and taking of May's point production --different positions
@SlimShaddy54 said in If Bill’s roster falls apart…:
@rcjhdraft You need a five man to take Hunters point production- Peterson stepping in and taking of May's point production --different positions
You're not directly replacing everyone's scoring numbers position for position and you don't need to do it that way. Flory is nowhere near as skilled as Hunter and won't average 17 ppg. Doke was never a skilled played and could be taken out of games by more skilled players, part of why he never averaged more than 13 ppg. Flory is probably closer to that range.
Overall, KU is averaging 76 ppg with only 2 players in double figures this season. That's a big issue this season as we don't have a reliable 3rd or 4th option. That's what KU needs next season. Peterson probably does lead the team in scoring next season. From there, who's the second scorer going to be? Will it be Flory or Elamrko? What's the wing going to look like? I know you assume everyone leaves, but we all thought several players would leave last season that didn't because of NIL.
At this point, I could see KU running a starting line up with Jackson, Peterson, Griffen, Storr, and Bidunga next season as a starting line up. I still think a starting caliber 4 is the biggest need in the portal.
@Texas-Hawk-10 I agree with Jackson- -- Peterson - - Griffen-- & Flory - - Storr ? - -Nope but everyone has their opinion on that no problem there. Would be a good or should be a good balanced group- -now add some quality depth to that , add Diggy coming off the bench for a few minutes would be a start
@SlimShaddy54 said in If Bill’s roster falls apart…:
@Texas-Hawk-10 I agree with Jackson- -- Peterson - - Griffen-- & Flory - - Storr ? - -Nope but everyone has their opinion on that no problem there. Would be a good or should be a good balanced group- -now add some quality depth to that , add Diggy coming off the bench for a few minutes would be a start
Just remember how many rumors there were about Elmarko leaving last season only for him to never enter the portal. NIL may affect next season's roster more than you think. Storr is rumored to be making somewhere between $750k-$1 mil. Don't be too shocked if that is a big enough influence for AJ to hang around another season.
Another season with AJ isn't going to benefit either side here
The production will be replaced easily. Hunter gets you 20 but isn't the difference between wins for this team. He gets his usual and never strays too far from it regardless of the opponent. Peterson will offer a completely different dynamic. He's an NBA player and Hunt will never see the league so there's a big difference there in terms of what impact he could give.
Self will have to find scorers in the portal again though. Flory will be another double figure guy but beyond that he's going to need to find 3rd and 4th options. Elmarko and Diggy can give you consistent bench pts probably. This offseason will be the most critical one we've had in perhaps the Self era because there just is so much change coming
Anybody else watching this Arizona/ Houston game ? -- 9-8 Arizona with under twelve to go in 1st half.- - -Can it be interesting game with that kind of Score ?-- I think it's still a good game , just neither team hitting squat, energy level is there for sure
@approxinfinity Definitely! And, i'm not gonna lie lol.. you make me learn more than just caring about KU bball! Thanks!
I see that the NCAA still has us aas one of the top 16 seeds in their initial projections
@SlimShaddy54 said in If Bill’s roster falls apart…:
I see that the NCAA still has us aas one of the top 16 seeds in their initial projections
That was hilarious actually. Just let's you know that people really don't pay attention
I truly believe this season can still be a winning one (ok, I have to edit this post) - maybe sweet 16 at max. Most of the losses, if not all, have come down to an inability to put points on the board—scoring, scoring, and more scoring. Defense is crucial, no doubt, but if you can't match hot three-point shooting shot for shot, then you have to make up for it with dominance on the other end. Winning starts with finding a way to keep up and take control.
If KJ can't do that, insert Flo - throws a bunch of lobs, which I haven't seen much at all when he's on the floor. Such a waste of talent, right?
@Texas-Hawk-10 is Mcdowell ever going to get more than walk on minutes? Feels likely to be recruited over?
I thought he seemed promising but then no longer appeared to be impactful when in.
The only one small thing that could begin to possibly help come NCAA tourney time is - - we aren't playing on opposition home floor where ovrwhelming opposition fans -- Neutral court- -I know- - I know that's a reach , but trying to find positive going into tourney
Two things from Houston- - Arizona-- Arizona last two games- -5-44 from the 3 point line- - umm NOT GOOD- - and mercy since Houston joined the league is now 28-4 - 11 straight road wins , longest in the Nation- - that is truly Dominance
why do these teams look so different when they are not playing us ? - - WV taking Baylor into OT at Baylor-- - Cinn within four points to Iowa St late in the game- -- -dam
Well the refs wanna be noticed in the Iowa St game now- - -Surprise
K/State getting spanked at the half by BYU- - -40-22
See....how easy it is to throw to Flo!
Update: this roster has completely fell apart
lolz