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10:10 ET tip. How ya'll feel about this one? I really have no clue although if Wisconsin can win at Purdue KU ought to be able to win in Salt Lake City where my son lives so he can ski.

Having no clue doesn't stop me from predicting a Jayhawk winner by the score of 69-61.

My prediction is that we won't see the first 4 mins of the game on ESPN.

Sounds like quite a few Jayhawk fans there!❤️💙

@mayjay said in Ute came to the right place:

My prediction is that we won't see the first 4 mins of the game on ESPN.

My prediction is that I'll spend 15 minutes trying to stream the game online, only to succeed 4 minutes into the game.

(When it goes on regular broadcast ESPN)

It's on espn

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Ute came to the right place:

It's on espn

Starting on ESPNU

Schedule is setup for us to take advantage here, let’s get some Ws and build some confidence

Elbow clank < layup

SEC game with less than 10 point spread and 3 minutes on the clock = 30 minutes, minimum.

Well if you can’t see it, you haven’t missed much.

Putrid

Brick. Dribble off foot. Brick. Brick.

This gym was the site of Bird Johnson in 1979

Juan with a 3

Hunter skied a full half foot for that rebound!

No one should be surprised at this start

Zero flipping energy or desire to be there yet again smh. Why does this team not give a single fuck

Griffen has been dog shit bad so far with two bad turnovers.

And hee we go--- - - Again

10-3 utah. Timeout Bill

This team is a bunch of pussies.

@nuleafjhawk said in Ute came to the right place:

This team is a bunch of pussies.

They just don’t care and have zero heart, don’t know how else to describe them unfortunately

Soft is the best word i think.

@kjayhawks It’s not that they don’t care or energy

It’s that the players aren’t very good especially the 3 that plan the most

@approxinfinity yeah, that's what I meant. But I'm pissed.

Hahaha. Man this is hilariously bad

@approxinfinity Again

That Utah dude with the manbun....SMH. But his cool tats offset that.

these guys don't have a good win all season. How did they get in our league and how are they curb stomping us?

“No energy guys” -source: trust me bro that’s the problem

@Texas-Hawk-10 nothing new

I don't get it. Literally the worst KU team effort I've seen since I've been a fan in the late 80s. Don't get me wrong, I'm cheering for them... but good grief it's not easy.

this team is just NOT GOOD

Well at least Dajuan is trying

I wasn't going to watch. But now I want to see if they can beat us by 50.

Oklahoma is 3-9 in the $EC E$PN has them as a bubble team

Flory is very talented. When he figures out how to play complementary ball he will be good. Looks like aau ball too much still. Just clueless how to help his teammates. At least you can see the talent with him, the rest just meh.

Just let Flory play and get Shak out there, please

Build a team with a bunch of quitters from other teams, and this is the result. No fighters.

Clean block, bs

@SlimShaddy54 said in Ute came to the right place:

this team is just NOT GOOD

The team isn’t. Some parts are. It’s frustrating

@approxinfinity said in Ute came to the right place:

Well at least Dajuan is trying

He needs to be vocal and get on guys

Storr usually makes his first then misses everything afterwards.

Wow foul man bun! We got this

KU is elite in two defensive stats. Opponents FG% and 3PT%.

WIDE open 3

Yay. I love seeing these KJ and Flory minutes. Thank you Bill

Espn box score has the score but records no stats for any player.

The announcers must not have watched us much the last few years. Ball screen defense has been an issue since 22

Hey look, shak and flory in and we start getting stops

I'm gonna be optimistic here and say they're coming to life.

Juan is doing great.

Flory boxed out two guys for Hunt's open dunk.

“Doesnt miss many of those “ and the emperor wears no clothes.

Coit stop forcing the ball

Texas about to beat Kentucky. That game is going to end a half hour after ours was scheduled to start.

Sorry its Coit not Shak. Want Shak.

Not much to complain about with the minutes so far though. Dunno whats up with Shak. But Rylan didnt have it and Storr made sense.

@wissox that's what's happened tonight

Storr actually fought for a rebound even though he didn't get it. Positive signs.

@DanR #babysteps

trying to focus on positives. Plenty of talent on the team. Just need to get it to gel somehow in a couple weeks. LOL

The last couple of games Bill hasn't waited long to pull Dickinson out-- had enough finally of his BS , why we seen Flory Early

On ESPN now.

@wissox thanks!

Playing flat in Salt Lake? Place is flat, yo!

@approxinfinity Not really

Geez you can see it already Coit is becoming bills guy at pg and will play a ton of minutes next year blocking better options at the position

@wissox really? Ok! I thought it was :) i drove though utah but not salt lake,
Mb

They did have a Winter Olympics there

Been there a few times, it's built on the side of a plane moving up to the Wasatch range. So the plane is flat but tilted. Beautiful location. Capitol building is spectacular.

Theres Shak

wow.. i'm surprised we're not ahead by 10pts at least. I guess I misjudged BS again.
daum.

Hunt needs to step up

Looking less athletic and worse than the

Worst team in the big 12 and probably least athletic team as well

How is man bun a decent 3pt shooter and awful at the line

@approxinfinity Yes 96 olympics there and another coming up in the next decade or so. We stayed up in Park City last year. Pretty cool place. My son goes skiing a lot up there.

Man, at some point you can’t say we have the talent anymore. We probably just suck

Haven't we seen this scenario before ? - guys making wide open three's

@wissox nice. I need to start traveling more now that the kids are a little older. Sounds like a nice place to visit.

Does it feel mormony?

The lack of effort on the defensive glass is pretty evident

@approxinfinity We haven’t guarded the line for at least a decade

Just not prioritized by Bill

Our bigs have disappeared

Well, I considered a last minute trek to Utah to watch the Hawks. With this lack of give a crap, guess I’m happy I didn’t spend the cash.

The announcers are at least railing on us not defending the 3 point line.

@approxinfinity It is but they are nice

Best friend lives out there and he’s from the Midwest but loves it. He’s not a mormon but said it’s his favorite place to live and he’s lived all over (OK, IA, AZ, WY and now UT)

@patoh3 Must not watch film on us lol!

Kind of ready for Bill to throw a Hail Mary and change the offensive scheme to one that just lets guys launch 3s like he let the 17-18 team.

@Kcmatt7 ugh

finally KJ decided to score, rather than keep passing.

Has anyone ever seem madsen and kelly olynyk in the same room together?

Juan is the only one in white that is actually playing hard

@approxinfinity Suburbs do more. My son is pretty progressive and he knew there was that culture there which attracted him. We walked around the whole Mormon area, the temple/tabernacle and it was very strange. One young woman smiled at me like, hey, we believe in polygamy here you want another wife? LOL

@approxinfinity said in Ute came to the right place:

@wissox nice. I need to start traveling more now that the kids are a little older. Sounds like a nice place to visit.

Does it feel mormony?

LOL. Yes. I've stayed in SLC 5 times in the last 15 years. It's not bad now. Was a little weird with the liquor laws/bars/breweries before, but they've relaxed a bit recently.

Juan!

Juan came to play. He needs to wake the others up.

D2 looking good against D2 athletes but least he came to friggin play!

For once he’s the more athletic guard on the court

Looks like Juando is sick of this crap. Go, Dajuan!

If it wasn't for umm umm D-2 where would we be

@kjayhawks we need him active in scoring.. dang that 3 looks refreshing!!

@patoh3 said in Ute came to the right place:

Juan came to play. He needs to wake the others up.

Need to walk down the bench high fiving the whole team in the face to wake them

Im a fan of Elmarkos glasses look. He might be the only guy i can ever remember who wore glasses regularly on the bench.

@jay4ever said in Ute came to the right place:

@kjayhawks we need him active in scoring.. dang that 3 looks refreshing!!

He is capable if he doesn’t pass up a dozen open ones

@approxinfinity Coaching material with that look

How does Hunt miss those shots?

@Kcmatt7 Man he f’d that team up to once we got to the final 4

Wish he’d stuck with what got them there versus feeding Dok over and over who came back from injury to start the game

got hacked

Doing much better penetrating the circle on offense than passing around it

KJ looking bouncy

KJ's ugly shot is falling tonight

It would be nice of we decided to play the whole game. Let’s show up 13 minutes in and see what happens!!! We may get away with it tonight

Commentary from my other half:

It’s funny that the Jayhawks aren’t doing as well since they started paying them.

how many two foot chippies has Dickinson missed this year ?

To play this poorly and only be down two is a good thing

I expect a win tonight, but why the hell do we not come out playing with some frantic intensity on the road? Acting like the lofty king of the hill is killing us early in these road games.

Ok.

Our biggest problem this year is effort and today its starting flat. We need to start Bidunga and Shak. This isnt a mystery. Start people who bring it.

2 chances to tie or take lead. 0-2 on those.

Brilliant. Why not. Just dribble it out of bounds.

Off UTAH

@DanR :hundred_points: bad call

Boom!!!

KJ got jobbed by that ref

Flooooooooooo

Flory from the rafters! Hunter with no D.

Travel

@approxinfinity said in Ute came to the right place:

Ok.

Our biggest problem this year is effort and today its starting flat. We need to start Bidunga and Shak. This isnt a mystery. Start people who bring it.

Will never happen

Hunter would not have grabbed that lob, just sayin

Hunter makes me say “come on man” more than anyone.

This doesn't remind me of that great game played here between Magic and Bird.

Ma3o

Flory. All day

Mayo's 3 looks flawless!

Flory is just so much more active than hunt or KJ you have to have him on the floor

Unexpected offensive rebounds lead to wide open 3s

That's a pure block by Flo!

Come on man

Hunt has to make those bunnies

oh boy, HD's bunnies fall short today

Good block Flory. It was going in anyway. hunt good grief, man.

Dumb fans alert

Mayo gets the foul on man-bun.

Seeing all these missed bunnies reminds me of the amazing stat of the day. UW made 20-22 shots inside the arc today.

@wissox I didn't see the score, was it 40 to something?

Hunt is 2/7.

That's a skillful rebounding by Kease

Passmore go get these, kid.

Yay passmore in the books

We were the better team by a wide margin the last 7 minutes

Dang. 4, hang in there.

@kjayhawks nah he’s weak, gets pushed off his spot, would foul out playing more minutes ect……right!!?!?

I am looking forward to Elmarko and Kease next year.

@DanR 94-84 at Purdue. Impressive win.

@kjayhawks 9-0 run to catch up

Alright feeling better. Hunt plays like his normal self in the 2nd and we win it running away

I assume we all missed the first 5 minutes…

Who started? Haven’t seen RG really.

Juan and KJ were solid. When Hunter cant make shots hes painful

Usual guys started @rockchalkjayhawk . Rylen. But he was bad.

@rockchalkjayhawk Rylen started and played 5 minutes. Only stats were 2 turnovers. plus/minus was -7. But everybody started slow.

Kease is an awful FT shooter but has that NFL ready body.

@Zabudda said in Ute came to the right place:

Kease is an awful FT shooter but has that NFL ready body.

Kelce replacement for next year?

Would be really nice if Rylen, and Kease come back and we see GROWTH, and Elmarko comes back salty.

Part of the joy that is missing is when guys come back and dont get better, it cuts into that feeling we crave that we feel is going away with the portal.

At least for me a big part of my connection to these guys is to see them grow

@wissox said in Ute came to the right place:

@DanR 94-84 at Purdue. Impressive win.

Looked up the box score. Tonje had a great game.

Do the guys need red bulls or 5 hour energy before the game?

Apparently the oranges at halftime are an issue...

@kjayhawks good thought. I wonder what they snack on before games

I don't like their 8 3PTs but love our 5!

@DanR He's amazing. he was Storrs replacement.

Saw something about KState being the best team in the country the last several weeks, had some weird stat to back it up, but they got blasted by our next opponent today.

@wissox They clearly traded up.

Well down two is better then down eleven like we were

@wissox I wonder if it's better to get a scrappy, hungry kid from a second tier program (Tonje/Mayo etc) rather than a disgruntled power conference transfer.

We came in as solo 4th place in the conference. Staying there will be fine with me. I do like to play with a lead every once in a while.

@DanR said in Ute came to the right place:

@wissox I wonder if it's better to get a scrappy, hungry kid from a second tier program (Tonje/Mayo etc) rather than a disgruntled power conference transfer.

Just don't get a transfer that wants 7 figures or is only going to the highest bidder.

@DanR as long as it's not another Timberfake

@approxinfinity he is killin us by missing two foot chippies time and time and time again

@wissox said in Ute came to the right place:

Saw something about KState being the best team in the country the last several weeks, had some weird stat to back it up, but they got blasted by our next opponent today.

Torvik, and it was during their 6 game winning streak that included 4 wins over ranked teams.

@Zabudda said in Ute came to the right place:

We came in as solo 4th place in the conference. Staying there will be fine with me. I do like to play with a lead every once in a while.

I think I’m disappointed in us likely not being able to play in our own backyard for the NCAAs

Maybe if Danny was our bigs coach maybe hunt wouldn't be missing so many jump hooks. I'd guess he was one of the best ever to shoot it.

Dude shoves Hunt right out of position on that pass.

Unleash Mayo. Dude wants to score.

Rylen gets so square on wide open 3s. Pretty

Money!

2 possessions here.

this is what happens when Mayo only attempted a couple of shots. we need him to score.

Rylan on!

Looking good griff. Bad, then good, then bad then good.

Rylo has a hot shooting night i hope

Jesus Christ these passes. Flory time please

This team...

James Naismith is rolling over in his grave.

3 back to back TOs

Sucks

Rylen go down man dont stumble backwards

we need Flo

@nuleafjhawk I heard like him, our team is in grave condition.

Sit the stick

@wissox i hear Hunt is a medium, he can talk to the dead cuz his feet are stuck in the ground

Have that guy shoot all of their FT’s.

HD looks less athletic even against the least athletic team in B12.

Are you fricken kidding me ?- -just get the game tied and then four straight fricken turnovers sloppy lazy passes

The one handed half ass passes drive me nuts

luckily they have gone off the rails too on offense

Yep, i just don't get how in the world you're not passing to Flo.. he's not that hard to spot

@jay4ever He is just insanely a Giagantic liability on defense and now the guy can't hit two foot layups practically

And boy.. Juan passed to FB when he's no where to dunk.. damn.. we look like a bunch of HS players.

@approxinfinity can he even do that right ?

It would have been cool to watch tonight and see this team lead at least once in this game. I mean, weren't we like the #1 team in the country for the first month?

I'm assuming this has to be blowing Self's gasket too. WTF is he doing though?

@wissox SOS wise, we're still up there. something coach to be proud of, at least.

Hunt 2/8? Really man?

@Zabudda they're all hoppers

Anyone know what Ivy League team also played in that Final Four?

I am wondering if the fact we know we are spending millions on these transfers make it harder to not saddle them with expectations and constantly grade them.

@wissox we were only ranked #1 because our jerseys say KANSAS.

We won't get that respect in yhe future.

Love the hustle Flory. You got mauled.

Lawson looks much a better shooter, or center overall, compared to HD

@Zabudda still get's his $30,000 for the game

travel

What exactly are we watching here?

I mean its mind boggling that we were talking about this team being defensively elite 3 weeks ago.

this has got to be without a shadow of a doubt the worst team for God knows how long

@wissox who doesn't like a good horror show?

@wissox Princeton?

that shot knocked down two players, LOL

@DanR Right first letter. Depaul was the other by the way and came close to beating Indiana St in the semis. Mark Aguirre missed a buzzer beater to send it to OT.

Alright. Whew 12 more minutes of this? Lol

@DanR the perfect definition for a brick.

I believe coach wants to make friends with the Utes' staff. Make them feel KU is beatable. What they heard about KU - reigning B12 was just a myth.

Why not try STorr some more Hell we are half way through the 2nd half and geting our ass beat by a 5 -8 bunch of jokers

Who mentioned Cooper Flagg? Gtfo

WTF?

Let Mayo fly. Nothing to lose. this is horrible.

@nuleafjhawk said in Ute came to the right place:

@wissox who doesn't like a good horror show?

It's almost bed time, gonna have nightmares.

happy Valentine!

Jesus Dickinson grab a seat

HD's body language is like fashion guy

Tech for Bill-- -Thanks Coach

Get hunter out. Jeez what a putz

Flory all the way. Do it Bill!

Bill is certain to disappoint you there

Why the hell is Hunt in the game? This that favoritism Bull Shit we all cuss.

Did HD get a Hyundai NIL contract?

@jay4ever Hell teams look forward to playing KU anymore we use to haave intimidation factor - pssst not anymore

What did Storr do to piss BS off?

@SlimShaddy54 said in Ute came to the right place:

@jay4ever Hell teams look forward to playing KU anymore we use to haave intimidation factor - pssst not anymore

Why would anyone fear us, it’s the ole saying “Hard work beats talent, when talent doesn’t work hard”. Sadly we aren’t even that talented. It’s a bad combination

Dude. Do we need a tech here?

Hahahaha there ya go bill way to make it worse

Dickinson has no fire. He had a shot blocked a minute ago and had no reaction at all.

I'm remembering why I haven't watched these morons all season.

Yell at your players, Bill

Hunter's been pretty good for us this year. Tonight he does not have it. Maybe it's the altitude, maybe he went skiing today in the Wasatch and is tired. Maybe he took a float in great salt lake. Maybe he converted to mormonism. IDK.

I don’t believe even a tech will fire the team up.

@wissox hey hey now..

No Tournament this year.

@wissox he's been anchor, good and bad.

Hunt made a layup comeback begins now

Hunt made a bunny!!!

T him up

I’m pretty sure my high school intramural team could beat this team at home.

Intentional

Intentional

That's not what I'd call a basketball play.

looooool... HD can't dunk that?

@DanR said in Ute came to the right place:

Yell at your players, Bill

I back this post a million times over.

Alright. Lets not lose to these dirty bitches. Come on Hunter! Lets go!

Man tough crowd in here. Several bad calls in a row and no energy from his players, so the coach gets a T. And people are pissed. Self sits on his hands in a losing effort and he gets blasted. Seems like people have their minds made up.

I would have smacked him harder, TBH

4 shooters around Hunt the rest of the way please

That's intentional, no doubt

Another blown bunny

What could have been a 4 point trip or even 5 turns into 1.

Get 1 point out of that smh

Come on guys. this is winnable.

wtf.. still missing FT after the bunnies..

I think what @BeddieKU23 said after the Houston loss is proving to be true. Season killer kind of loss.

oh boy

This team isnt playing with any confidence

I can barely stand to watch HD at this point

I think it's the high altitude affecting KU

Why has KJ even been on the floor tonight

@SlimShaddy54 He kicked ass in the first half

@SlimShaddy54 said in Ute came to the right place:

Why has KJ even been on the floor tonight

KJ and Hunt have been a disaster all night

@DanR he did

@DanR said in Ute came to the right place:

@SlimShaddy54 He kicked ass in the first half

He kicked ass for 2 minutes

Tbh i would much rather have KJ with Flory than Hunter tonight. KJ has played with energy

Shak's dunk will bring this team back alive from braindead..

Seems like every time there's a jump ball it's pointing at the other team.

Flo!!!

If we have to depend on Juan for last minute three's were in real trouble

missed another lob chance by Juan

Utah giving as much as we need to come back four and a half minutes no scoring for Utah

I think they are trying to give us the game we just refuse to take it.

My eyes usually don't bleed during KU games.

At this point, HD doesn't look like AA material at all.

:hundred_points: Still a game we should win.

@kjayhawks they want us to take it BUT - -we say no thank you-- your ball

Mind boggling watching this team and knowing it's Kansas. They don't look coached.

KJ has 4 points and 3 rebounds not sure what galaxy that is kicking ass but it’s not this one.

@DanR Their coach didn't coach

@jay4ever That's cause he is not

at least i can still laugh - thanks fellas.. lolz

If we could not have 3 guys standing with their thumbs up their hind ends on offense, that’d be great

@kjayhawks 2 for 3 a couple assists and steal and decent D. Good for KJ, IMO

Ziggy --Ziggy - - Ziggy

Diggy

@DanR he had a decent stretch in the first half and done nothing before and sense. Definitely not kicking ass average for him

@kjayhawks that's one of our play calls

Shak knows he'd pass when there's pick and roll. the problem has been, KJ is not programmed to roll and score. he's there to pass around.

@dylans i dont know. The issue is roster construction and minute distribution. I dont really care if Bill yells or is quiet on the bench.

Wow that kid is 39% FT shooting.

Let's go Haaaaaawks!!! Don't tuah this game

@kjayhawks Has he even touched the ball in the second half or been out there?

@wissox we could use him!

The sound of my heart: Bidunga, Bidunga, Bidunga

Flory!!!

Coit going after it with some energy

YESS!!!! Atta Flo boy!

@DanR said in Ute came to the right place:

@kjayhawks Has he even touched the ball in the second half or been out there?

At least ten times he just did before he sub out and the announcers were taking about how he never looks at the hoop. Sorry buddy but Kj is definitely not kicking ass tonight. Statistically a below average night for him

@approxinfinity BiDunga

Mayo is done

@kjayhawks OK dude

Oof

Go with Flo, we will win!

oh no

Not good.

@approxinfinity said in Ute came to the right place:

@dylans i dont know. The issue is roster construction and minute distribution. I dont really care if Bill yells or is quiet on the bench.

Mind is made up. Also you didn’t get to enjoy the Roy Williams years. With this crowd they would’ve run him off instead of crying when he left. lol no love.

Come on rubber man, Zeke. You are young and limber. Shake it off.

@DanR Bad roster but the coach thinks the players are great

Paired with awful management of said roster

Paired with archaic offensive and defensive philosophies

Gets you want 5-7th place big 12 finishes and what 13-19 on the road the last 2 years (something atrocious like that)

But yeah I’m sure it all gets 100% fixed next year and the right guys will get all the minutes (cough cough I’m calling Diggy playing way too much right now)

F.. this has been a bad season

I'm googling knee injuries right now. Says rub some dirt on it.

Hoped he just banged knees

But did you see Flory rip that board with authority? Love that

Looked like hyperextended a bit.

@jay4ever said in Ute came to the right place:

F.. this has been a bad season

Last 2-3……..if only we knew the common denominators and were fed the lines of how great they are when the results didn’t back that trash up

Almost insulting or just insulting to self that he doesn’t have an effin clue who’s actually good at the game.

Looked like he banged knees with himself

Tied

If I landed like that, there would be bones sticking out.

So why is Flory shooting the FTs? Didn't Zeke get fouled

@DanR said in Ute came to the right place:

If I landed like that, there would be bones sticking out.

Prove it

@approxinfinity shocking- he plays first half we come back

He plays second half we come back

But uh uh uh kj and hunt gotta play more uh uh uh sorry - oh students show up better

How about you don’t suck at your job

LET"S GO

We got this. Lets lock it down!

!! -- - 0 scoring run -scoring drought of Seven minutes for Utah

“You let the whole team down!”
Chant is funny stuff

Good defense here the last 7 minutes

@wissox Since Zeke was injured and can’t go, the Utes get to pick who shoots them.

Great defense this half.

@kuballin10 in fairness to Bill KJ has 4 fouls. The problem is that Hunt sucked tonight

Also Storr was bad.

@wissox Utah can pick who they want to shoot the free throws since Zeke cna't

I’m a little scared with 3 bigs on the floor, if they space us out the 3 will be wide open like we have seen every other time.

They've played this whole game like ok, we came back, now our superior talent and athleticism will take over and lead us to an inspiring victory. So they tie it and then boom, down 8 again. That can't happen anymore.

@patoh3 Thanks!

Hunts last air ball was brutal.

@approxinfinity said in Ute came to the right place:

@kuballin10 in fairness to Bill KJ has 4 fouls. The problem is that Hunt sucked tonight

Also Storr was bad.

As much as hunt pisses me off defensively he usually makes most of the shots he’s missed tonight. As you said with KJ in foul trouble we really don’t have a choice especially with Zeke nicked up

@approxinfinity said in Ute came to the right place:

@kuballin10 in fairness to Bill KJ has 4 fouls. The problem is that Hunt sucked tonight

Also Storr was bad.

Hunter has missed about 4 easy layups tonight. Seems relevant now.

Hunter has to be in tight with a bookie. How else do you miss so many bunnies.

just a struggle every game -- night in - -night out- -- KU ha never led in this game

Team interprets "winning ugly" literally, night in night out

@rockchalkjayhawk 4 out of 12 or something like that

@approxinfinity

Really wish it wouldn't come true

@approxinfinity running 3 bigs now - Bill’s favorite dream lineup!

This team is so bad and going to get blitzed to end the season in kc and in the tourney

I’m not sure how fans can watch and have any belief. In fact, most I talk too have all checked out and watch but don’t even get mad when we lose. That’s proven here with guys/gals doing other things.

I’d never miss a KU game but when they become average quick - it’s easy to find something else to invest the time in versus guys who get praised but aren’t good enough and a coach who has no clue what to do about it

@jay4ever said in Ute came to the right place:

Team interprets "winning ugly" literally, night in night out

Idc but we have to win to win ugly

I'm a lot more excited about our football game against Utah tbh.

That's a bad sign for the bball team. And a good sign for the football team.

Flory pivot bro

3 bigs in and can’t board

But uh uh I thought heights= rebounds (bills mind exploding along with all his basketball truths being proven false)

Don’t know what all you guys see in the break, but that colon guard commercial has me cracking up. Those poor mail room folks getting nothing but boxes of 💩 every day!

The ref inbounded the ball at the wrong place. Should have been smack in the corner. Much harder to inbound the ball there.

3 bigs and can't get a rebound. Pathetic

Utah fourteen offensive rebounds- -- holy shit

I mean Flory was getting pulled out of the lane and lets be honest, hes the best rebounder of the 3

@BeddieKU23 said in Ute came to the right place:

3 bigs and can't get a rebound. Pathetic

KJs Trex arms was the reason on that one

Yay, Mayo back in. Need a dog in this fight

How many offensive rebounds does Utah have? 50?

We should foul lovering every time he touches the ball. 39% at the line.

There's just a lack of effort that's prevalent in this group

@kjayhawks Don’t hate on Ochai jr! He’s gonna be a first round draft pick and star in the league just ask Self!

@wissox said in Ute came to the right place:

We should foul lovering every time he touches the ball. 39% at the line.

Hunter agrees!

If you reward effort you will get effort. If you reward slothrocious dismayfense…

@BeddieKU23 said in Ute came to the right place:

There's just a lack of effort that's prevalent in this group

And that is very disappointing

@rockchalkjayhawk said in Ute came to the right place:

How many offensive rebounds does Utah have? 50?

14

@KirkIsMyHinrich I'm more excited about our Football period then this cluster F - - -

@BeddieKU23 said in Ute came to the right place:

There's just a lack of effort that's prevalent in this group

“You can tell how you played by looking at the rebounds” - Bill Self
Getting out rebounded by 7 and have let up 14 offensive rebounds. Not a good strategy on the road

Utes with a DD our turnovers and their offensive boards.

@SlimShaddy54 said in Ute came to the right place:

@KirkIsMyHinrich I'm more excited about our Football period then this cluster F - - -

I am too. Although I am excited about DP next year.

16 offensive rebounds

Why did he take out flory? Only guy going for rebounds

I'm done

Bill played himself there smh Flory in there gets that rebound

This team is just sooooo

You can’t get outrebounded like this and play 2 bigs.

KJ fouling out is a positive IMO

Utes wanted the ball more

No Flory. Ok

Griffen with the classic Airball

Bye Felicia

Loser strategy anyway

We gonna lose

Jesus Christ

@kjayhawks He’s miscalculated how good “his guys” are and he’s too arrogant to come off it

It isn’t an assistants fault - it’s flat out on him and as I’ve said he can live with this one

Senior night L and 5-6th in big 12 I don’t want him stating “national champion” kj adams and Dajuan Harris because since they’ve taken over the program we’ve been absolutely awful

Can we just call it a Season and be done for the year ?

@SlimShaddy54 said in Ute came to the right place:

Can we just call it a Season and be done for the year ?

Unfortunately, no. The nightmare continues

now we fall to a 10 seed

Airball!

@KirkIsMyHinrich Super

common foul ffs

@dylans From like 5 feet. That's the way I shoot it.

We are officially in the ludicrous zone.

That should Tech for a flop IMO, holding his face tho his face didn’t get touched. Call it a T and that’s out of the game pretty quick

Good officiating crew my ass

@kjayhawks lost a to

I don't know what in Zeke's mind was when he decided to transfer to KU. He's used to Bama's run-gun now he's got to play BS way - IMHO that's one of the reasons these transfers didn't seem to fit in. They're not used to sloooow offense.

D2 and Dolla Bill drawing up a play - man it’s gonna be money!!! Let’s watch!

This guy should be underhanding freethrows

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Ute came to the right place:

@kjayhawks lost a to

Not enough of a penalty IMO

This guy is 1-9 at the line!

this team is just a diaster looking to happen

@jay4ever said in Ute came to the right place:

I don't know what in Zeke's mind was when he decided to transfer to KU. He's used to Bama's run-gun now he's got to play BS way - IMHO that's one of the reasons these transfers didn't seem to fit in. They're not used to sloooow offense.

Rylan played for Bama. Not Zeke.

Haha

winning by one tonight will give me a hard night

Confident free throw shooter though

Get hunter out of there

@dylans lol.. thanks for correcting.

@jay4ever dont think you need to worry about winning this one

That's game. Now 3 days to our next embarrassing loss

i don't get why low bounce pass to a center!

Brutal diggy turnover and loses his man on defense

I've felt we've been ranked basically on reputation alone the last few weeks.

I think this by far is our worst team since Self took over ever - -here comes the Court Storming -- we are making everybodys year -- true laughing stock of College Basketball

Smh this game is on Bill Self don’t give a rip what anyone says. He fucked his brain with all of his health issues

Still winnable if we had one aggressive stud

@jay4ever say it with me archaic

Transfers take forever to pick it up

Defensively we don’t guard the three point line

We play 3 bigs and can’t rebound

Retire Bill before you waste 1 year of prime Kobe Bryant!!!

You already threw away Wiggs and Embiid with the Tharpe debacle and now it’s DP getting hosed by diggy

I can see this crap already “oh diggys been the best guard in practice” will be word from @BShark ans @FarmerJayhawk - meanwhile stud transfer can’t pickup the offense or defense to bills liking

Good play Juan

@kjayhawks why single him out? didn't he have coaching staff? 3-4 people can't say a jack about his flaws?

@BeddieKU23 We will get dog stomped by BYU

@jay4ever said in Ute came to the right place:

@kjayhawks why single him out? didn't he have coaching staff? 3-4 people can't say a jack about his flaws?

Every SOB on the staff needs to go at this point.

Just lock it down on these punks come on

It’s over can’t score 10 over 1:30 it’s done

Offensively we couldn’t get it done even if we get stops

never practice the press so why bother

2 3s from Mayo, Diggy, we're heading OT

@jay4ever Buck stops with Bill

Nagy doesn’t call plays Andy does

Assistants can offer opinions but Bill does what he thinks is best - he don’t give a you know what - about what an assistant thinks if it goes against what he thinks

Well, we’ve let other teams come back from this far down…

Mayo is trying

how is this crap possible -we just flat SUCK PERIOD

could've been a flush by Flo

@jay4ever account for them hitting some free throws - it’s over

Never lead at a 5-8 bad Utah team

Another L on the road

Getting texts from Bama “what’s up with Kansas man - you guys look like 1980’s ball with this offense and ur losing to white guys with short shorts who can shoot it”

Storr is out there. I'm sure he'll come through

I bet Zeke could make a bunny if he would look at the basket instead of throwing his head back nearly every shot trying to draw a foul.

I hope Bill puts some TLC into next years roster

I never would’ve guessed in a 100 years we hold them to 36% shooting and not only lose but never lead the damn game

@kuballin10 wow, surprised, your buddy's watching this game.. lolz

Another awful loss. This was an inferior opponent

Game ova! Night. Have a great Sunday.

@approxinfinity said in Ute came to the right place:

I hope Bill puts some TLC into next years roster

I hope he gets a brain transplant before next season

@kjayhawks Calling our coaches SOB's is something you could do but it's not right.

Alright well I'm going to go watch Darryn Peterson highlights. Have a good night

Why doesn’t Hunt shoot those before we are in desperation mode?

That's why I always value kids who dunk given the ability..

still in it LOL

@wissox said in Ute came to the right place:

@kjayhawks Calling our coaches SOB's is something you could do but it's not right.

Well I’m sorry but the way they have coached this season they deserve it. Just flat out stupid basketball

Boy, this team is really frustrating to watch.

We’re gonna have to break down why in a separate thread.

Looking back, how the heck we beat the devils?

@approxinfinity Hope he’s not around

He’s been given the best roster for multiple decades and delivered twice

Time to go live in FL and golf everyday

The fact he can’t get this squad playing well and guys played better at other top programs than ours tells me the game has passed him by

He will stick around - we will get bounced in sweet 16 with Kobe Bryant at guard because of some suspect minutes distribution - same stuff versus vcu in 2011, so on and so forth

Not sure why it is BS's fault that no one can get a rebound or a layup, but sure, yeah, blame the coach. Roy Williams missed all those shots against Syracuse, too. Damn, this is easy.

@jay4ever said in Ute came to the right place:

Looking back, how the heck we beat the devils?

They are young and it was super early

Shak is the mystery to me. Need defense. We shouldnt be acting like a football team with a separate offense and defense team. We need a blended team that can score.

@kjayhawks looooolzzz

@kuballin10 who got to decide BS got lifetime contract? i believe he'd call the shot, right?

@jay4ever he’s like me a bball junkie

Yesterday we were texting about loyal Chicago cause we were both watching

@mayjay He built this roster and coaches them every day for them to turn out the say lazy ass performance. Please enlighten me on how Bill isn’t accountable for this, this team is exactly what I said it would be with Juan (played great tonight), KJ and Hunt.

Hey well U Conn lost again today so there is that lmao

@approxinfinity said in Ute came to the right place:

Shak is the mystery to me. Need defense. We shouldnt be acting like a football team with a separate offense and defense team. We need a blended team that can score.

Was debating the same thing earlier. We were down 6 with a pure D team in the floor, except for Diggy. Weird.

@kjayhawks He cosches, evaluates in practice and is confident these are the best guys

I think he puts more emphasis on who’s good based on practice and not the actual games based on these last 2 years

no more needs to be said about Dickinson- -he has done proved the point

@approxinfinity said in Ute came to the right place:

Shak is the mystery to me. Need defense. We shouldnt be acting like a football team with a separate offense and defense team. We need a blended team that can score.

Right why was he taken out while he was a big part of them not scoring for 7 minutes. Can’t be Selfs fault for pulling I guess Rylen and AJ must have had a great practice week and all the sudden learned to play defense smh

@jay4ever He hadn’t coached em yet

He runs in the locker room “we got guards” or maybe it was the interview

Guys shot the 3 with confidence

Oh and Hunter didn’t play the last what 10 minutes and Flory did great but people swear still to this day he isn’t good enough

Might drop out of the rankings for the first time in a long time. Probably still make the tourney to keep that streak alive. This team has regressed every week since the start. Concerning to say the least.

Might drop out of the rankings for the first time in a long time. Probably still make the tourney to keep that streak alive. This team has regressed every week since the start. Concerning to say the least.

Seriously, this team looks like Div2 or HS team these past few games.. i'm lost

Now eight losses-- - - -and then there is this - - -Houston - -Loss -- -Texas Tech - - loss -- -Arizona loss- - so that's at least eleven losses

Ok im going to start a new thread about something

@approxinfinity get your popcorn ready, folks

@SlimShaddy54 we're playing catch up with the Utes..

Will we even win 20 games to keep that streak alive?

@kjayhawks what streak? another achievement for BS? the most active HC who's got most 20wins streak... gossh

just checked - -KU had been ranked FIRST in constitutive weeks in the top 25 at -- --231 -Say good bye to that

@jay4ever said in Ute came to the right place:

@kjayhawks what streak? another achievement for BS? the most active HC who's got most 20wins streak... gossh

I believe its at least 20 wins in a season since 1989

i don't care if we lost to better teams, but with bright sides, like different style, improved rebounding, offense.. not lost like this to least winning team. sucks..

@SlimShaddy54 said in Ute came to the right place:

just checked - -KU had been ranked FIRST in constitutive weeks in the top 25 at -- --231 -Say good bye to that

This team is going to completely erase a lot of Kansas basketball history. It’s because we are lazy and poorly coached

@kjayhawks said in Ute came to the right place:

@mayjay He built this roster and coaches them every day for them to turn out the say lazy ass performance. Please enlighten me on how Bill isn’t accountable for this, this team is exactly what I said it would be with Juan (played great tonight), KJ and Hunt.

Self can only repeat the same message so many times. At some point, the players on the floor have to make a decision if they give a damn or not about their pride and effort. If they're fine with collecting their NIL checks and that's the most important thing to them, then this is what we'll get.

@kjayhawks wish ewe could yank these over paid bums NIL cause they sure don't deserve it. -- They are getting paid now - -this program at the present is in /Shambles

@Texas-Hawk-10 Or maybe just maybe the players getting all the minutes aren’t that good

And the system employed isn’t as well

Pair those with quick hooks and favoritism and Bill gets what he made

Blaming it on nil is a poor loser mentality as my boy Jeter would say - losers always have excuses

Reality - his favorite players aren’t actually good at basketball. They get all the minutes, they have all the experience, he built the roster around them and we have more L’s than ever before in Self’s history here

But yeah let’s blame NIL for this even though Self hand picked the squad

@jay4ever said in Ute came to the right place:

Looking back, how the heck we beat the devils?

Cuz I was at the game! I’m nearly undefeated.

@kuballin10 I know dam well that your not going to actually try and say Griffen and Storr are better I know your not that stupid

@Texas-Hawk-10 Right but it’s same story, Hunt doesn’t attempt to play defense and never has at any point in his collegiate career, he’s lazy as hell on the glass. KJ super under sized big, struggles to get rebounds and shots off in the paint rendering him useless most nights without a jump shot. Juan was pretty good tonight but he’s very limited athletically and isn’t aggressive enough offensively. AJ Storr was notorious for lacking effort thru out the season. Zeke Mayo can’t play defense never has/ never will. The jury has been on this for years! Please explain to me how when this is known by the coach none of it is his fault. It’s called accountability he built this roster and it arguably the worst in 40 years

@SlimShaddy54 said in Ute came to the right place:

@kjayhawks wish ewe could yank these over paid bums NIL cause they sure don't deserve it. -- They are getting paid now - -this program at the present is in /Shambles

Yes got to change some contracts, if you don’t play hard you don’t get paid. If anyone one on here showed for work time after time disengaged and not getting it done, They’d be fired. This is a job in a sense for them, they ain’t doing fire them. I’d rather play walk ons that try and get beat by 50 than these goons just half assing it repeatedly

Only solace is that we get closer and closer to senior day and wishing good riddance to a majority of the team

Let my 9 year old stay up and watch this one. 3:31 left in the game, 62-60 them, Hunt fouls a terrible shooter. We sub out the only guy going for rebounds. I tell my son we probably just lost because even if he misses we can’t rebound with this group. Sure enough it happens and they get 2 points out of it. I hate myself for being right most the time but for as much as a few of you give me grief, about 95% of what I say happens.

@kjayhawks said in Ute came to the right place:

@Texas-Hawk-10 Right but it’s same story, Hunt doesn’t attempt to play defense and never has at any point in his collegiate career, he’s lazy as hell on the glass. KJ super under sized big, struggles to get rebounds and shots off in the paint rendering him useless most nights without a jump shot. Juan was pretty good tonight but he’s very limited athletically and isn’t aggressive enough offensively. AJ Storr was notorious for lacking effort thru out the season. Zeke Mayo can’t play defense never has/ never will. The jury has been on this for years! Please explain to me how when this is known by the coach none of it is his fault. It’s called accountability he built this roster and it arguably the worst in 40 years

Did I say Self was blameless? No, I did not. Is Bill Self 100% responsible? Again, no he is not. At what point do the players bear any responsibility for their play on the court? This where I take major issues with you and others views because y'all never place the blame on the players when they play with zero effort, it's always Bill Self’s fault for not properly motivating his team. So again, at what point do these players bear any responsibility for their lack of effort on the court?

And yes, I do believe NIL is a factor in that self motivation. Who are the two players that have been criticized the most for lack of effort this season? Do you really think it's a coincidence that Dickinson and Storr are also the highest paid NIL players on the team and also the two most often criticized for a lack of effort on the floor. They have their money, they know they aren't NBA players at this point, and that jas shown bright and clear with their effort at times this season.

So yes, Bill Self gets the blame for the roster construction, but the players take 100% of the blame for their lack of effort on the court.

You can even go back and check what I said about this team before the season when someone else here was trying to rip me a new one for saying this team was only slightly better than last season's when he was claiming this team was going to make a deep run despite ignoring me pointing out the lack of NBA talent on the roster this season.

@Texas-Hawk-10 I like your response and no it isn’t a 100% on Self for sure several times on this thread alone I got on the players. Especially Hunts effort tonight but IMO when you build this roster knowing Hunt and AJ were both like that last year and still include them on it it’s more on the staff. I’d put about 65%-75% of this on Self/staff especially after what was said after last season by him. As I said before his mouth wrote a check his ass couldn’t cash.

He’s washed up and dying on his sword. If it wasn’t for me wanting to see Darryn Peterson and Oats having a large buyout…I’d recommend turning the program over.

@TYOHawk I have never been this frustrated with any KU BB coach in my life. That being said I think we give Bill next season as long as Dp still comes and Flory stays. He has done enough to have a few bad seasons. If Dp/Fkory jump ship it’s over and we need to move on from him.

This is perhaps the least entertaining Jayhawk team I’ve ever experienced and one of the worst teams. I’ve been watching for 60 years.

@kjayhawks said in Ute came to the right place:

@TYOHawk I have never been this frustrated with any KU BB coach in my life. That being said I think we give Bill next season as long as Dp still comes and Flory stays. He has done enough to have a few bad seasons. If Dp/Fkory jump ship it’s over and we need to move on from him.

We are in the pace and space era and we really run lineups with 3 non shooting bigs and a non shooter at PG.

It’s the type of thing you would laugh at happening in another program but it’s become normal here. It almost feels like a middle finger to the fan base at times with some of the lineup decisions.

I saw a Dajuan/Shak/Diggy/KJ/Flory lineup tonight man. Who is supposed to score or create shots in this lineup?

@TYOHawk said in Ute came to the right place:

@kjayhawks said in Ute came to the right place:

@TYOHawk I have never been this frustrated with any KU BB coach in my life. That being said I think we give Bill next season as long as Dp still comes and Flory stays. He has done enough to have a few bad seasons. If Dp/Fkory jump ship it’s over and we need to move on from him.

We are in the pace and space era and we really run lineups with 3 non shooting bigs and a non shooter at PG.

It’s the type of thing you would laugh at happening in another program but it’s become normal here. It almost feels like a middle finger to the fan base at times with some of the lineup decisions.

I saw a Dajuan/Shak/Diggy/KJ/Flory lineup tonight man. Who is supposed to score or create shots in this lineup?

Exactly. I about lost it with that lineup at that point in the game.

Fun with the box score.

This pretty much sums up the lack enthusiasm tonight:

REBOUNDING

Utah 46 KU 36

OFFENSIVE REBOUNDING

Utah 16 KU 6

But just for fun I’ll throw in:

FG %

Utah 36.5% KU 40%

@approxinfinity said in Ute came to the right place:

I think what @BeddieKU23 said after the Houston loss is proving to be true. Season killer kind of loss.

The Creighton/Missouri week was the first sign this was a broken bunch. The Houston loss just kind of cemented how disconnected this group is together.

So we were the biggest win in Ute history and they didn’t even storm the court. Guess it really wasn’t a big deal after all.

@jay4ever extreme success is the sure path to extreme failure. Ask Mahomes.

Question of the week: how many hours per day does our coaching staff spend in the restroom trying for a bowel movement?

I’d expect people to be disappointed, but the only “solution” I hear around these parts is fire the coach. SMH unoriginal, boring, tired, sad. If this applies to you, pick your head up - KU isn’t likely to win the national championship this year or next or the next or the next. It’s just a numbers thing. If the National Championship is all you care about, you will be disappointed nearly every year of your fandom. At best you might enjoy one in twenty years or you could root for a team like Missouri and not even know what a final four is like.

If you can’t have fun watching the team grow and competing you will be disappointed nearly every year. For instance, some are really enjoying watching Flory develop. He could be a great player if he figures out how to play with others - help defense, why positioning on offense helps the flow, etc. I look forward to seeing how his KU career progresses.

To me it looks like the team lacks an emotional leader and that can’t be the coach. They need a Travis Kelce, DeVonte Graham, type hype man. There aren’t any true alphas (Frank Mason, Mario Chalmers, Tyshawn, Robinson, Ochai), demand the ball in the crunch time players on the team. I suspect this is why there is such a big let down on the road compared to home performances with the crowd providing the energy at Allen and a lack of an alpha to carry/spark them.

The pieces are there, the spark isn’t. That is on the players to find. You either want it or you don’t and some (most) don’t know the effort it takes - I sure didn’t put forth the effort in sports that I thought I did in hindsight. I quit when I got wore out or hurt instead of pushing thru like, not my, but my loved ones life depended upon it. I didn’t have the heart of a sports champion, I hope the team finds theirs.

There’s no solution. They’re just not that talented and outwardly look like they’ve quit on their coach and vice versa.

We just have to wait it out cause Self has a fetish for the core 3. If things look this bad next year with Darryn and Flory then conversations will be had.

I’m not enjoying watching this team. I’m enjoying watching my 11 year old’s team as they use fundamentals on the court, run real offense and their bigs stay in the paint. This KU team is an assault on everyone’s basic intelligence of the game. There is no excuse for what we are seeing.

@approxinfinity - can you rename the site to KUbitchin? Jk lol

sheesh one Russian bot with intent to sow dissent on here has turned this from a fun sports site to a sad therapy session within about 18 months. Incredible.

Well. I wish i was within 100 miles of you @drgnslayr i would come hang out and talk about your sons game instead, positively of course :)

@dylans said in Ute came to the right place:

I’d expect people to be disappointed, but the only “solution” I hear around these parts is fire the coach. SMH unoriginal, boring, tired, sad. If this applies to you, pick your head up - KU isn’t likely to win the national championship this year or next or the next or the next. It’s just a numbers thing. If the National Championship is all you care about, you will be disappointed nearly every year of your fandom. At best you might enjoy one in twenty years or you could root for a team like Missouri and not even know what a final four is like.

If you can’t have fun watching the team grow and competing you will be disappointed nearly every year. For instance, some are really enjoying watching Flory develop. He could be a great player if he figures out how to play with others - help defense, why positioning on offense helps the flow, etc. I look forward to seeing how his KU career progresses.

To me it looks like the team lacks an emotional leader and that can’t be the coach. They need a Travis Kelce, DeVonte Graham, type hype man. There aren’t any true alphas (Frank Mason, Mario Chalmers, Tyshawn, Robinson, Ochai), demand the ball in the crunch time players on the team. I suspect this is why there is such a big let down on the road compared to home performances with the crowd providing the energy at Allen and a lack of an alpha to carry/spark them.

The pieces are there, the spark isn’t. That is on the players to find. You either want it or you don’t and some (most) don’t know the effort it takes - I sure didn’t put forth the effort in sports that I thought I did in hindsight. I quit when I got wore out or hurt instead of pushing thru like, not my, but my loved ones life depended upon it. I didn’t have the heart of a sports champion, I hope the team finds theirs.

I agree with you on two points, but disagree on another.

Yup, they really lack a hype man leader this season. Pretty obvious. Without ever really realizing it, maybe that what’s it takes to win. Maybe it’s not as easy in the one year rental era to find that guy?

Zero spark most days. 100%.

Are the pieces really there? I don’t think they are.

@drgnslayr said in Ute came to the right place:

I’m not enjoying watching this team. I’m enjoying watching my 11 year old’s team as they use fundamentals on the court, run real offense and their bigs stay in the paint. This KU team is an assault on everyone’s basic intelligence of the game. There is no excuse for what we are seeing.

Right, this is why on several other sites there is talk of Norm Robert’s running the show and Bill has suffered a stroke of sorts. Idk what the scoop is but we just don’t play smart basketball and we don’t seem to coach with any common sense what so ever.

@rockchalkjayhawk Fair enough. A spark would sure get this team to overachieve - they have beat good teams when they find it. But they lose to crappy teams when they don’t have that edge - Utah, Missouri, K-State. Come on.

Braun nailed it - play for the name on the front of the jersey.

Now wtf to do if it’s correct? Buy all the road tickets so they have energy there too? lol Better recruit a hype man for next year, a vocal leader.

It’s more than play for the name on front of the jersey imo. They’re just not that good. All of these guys sans Hunter aren’t talented enough for the roles they’re placed in. Dajuan is fine as a starter if you have 3 other NBA players. KJ is fine if you have 2-3 floor spacers with him. But together with Dajuan it doesn’t work.

They’re just not that good. It’s maybe 1 nba player on this team.

Hunter Dickenson is Alex Rodriguez...a diva who's hard to root for...and who has more empty statistics than any player I remember. So many points/rebounds against crap teams and in games that are already decided

We just have to find a way to get the guys engaged and wanting to play basketball again.

We just have to find a way to get the guys engaged and wanting to play basketball again.

@dylans said in Ute came to the right place:

The pieces are there, the spark isn’t. That is on the players to find. You either want it or you don’t and some (most) don’t know the effort it takes - I sure didn’t put forth the effort in sports that I thought I did in hindsight. I quit when I got wore out or hurt instead of pushing thru like, not my, but my loved ones life depended upon it. I didn’t have the heart of a sports champion, I hope the team finds theirs.

I don't want to start a fight on here, frankly I think this is just a really inefficient medium to have a conversation about this. But man...if you think Self doesn't deserve a whole lot of the blame for this one, I just don't know what to tell you. (IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER: I AM NOT SAYING FIRE SELF)

The pieces very much are not there. Hunter Dickinson is slow and easy to exploit. He has a terrible attitude, is a bad defender, and a sloppy player. He relies entirely on his size (and I think HD is the least of our concerns).

AJ Storr was notoriously an inefficient player. He takes a million shots, which is the only reason he averaged the numbers he did. When you're a coach with a notoriously quick hook for poor decisions, that's an odd choice. He's also switched schools every year since he was 15, so you know he's probably a poor fit for a school that prides itself on playing for the name on the front instead of the back.

Dajuan is small, can't shoot, can't score, and frankly I think is an overrated defender. Did everyone forget what it was like to have a PG that could score? We went from having Miles, Chalmers, Robinson, Collins, Taylor, Mason, Graham, and Dotson. And now we have a guy that's lucky to average 8 points.

I'm not gonna pick on KJ. It's not his fault he's in this situation, and I'm not gonna repeat what everyone has already said. But suffice it to say, he's a problem. He's undersized, he's relied on way too much to play a position that he doesn't fit. Think about the SF and PF guys we've had over the years, Wright, Arthur, T-Rob, Perry, Jackson, Ochai...we're asking a guy for a lot who's probably at best a defensive specialist (he's not that great of a defender, largely because he can't be at his size, at that position). That's a steep drop off.

You could just as easily point to the rest of the team and say the same thing. Coit is Charley Moore essentially, undersized, bad fit. Griffen looks like his confidence is shot, and he hasn't been what was advertised. Shak Moore is fine, but he can't score. Mayo is fine, but he's the second scoring option when he should probably be the fourth.

When you say the pieces are there, I couldn't disagree more. They very much are not. You have 2 scoring options. That's why we pass the ball so much and it looks like nobody wants to shoot. The roster doesn't fit. Self was always great at breaking guys down over the course of multiple years, and building them up based on his philosophy. That's not the situation anymore, you don't have the time with these guys anymore, and I question whether Self can adapt. I hope he can. He's the best coach in KU history. But he's also human. He has an ego like anyone would in his situation. His assistants are largely his friends, I honestly don't know what they provide. This very odd, very mismatched roster is on Self. It just is. The buck stops with him, and those other factors just exacerbate the problem.

Guys I can tell you, KU will lose every road game from here on out. They will lose at BYU on Tuesday, they will lose at Colorado, and we will get destroyed at Houston. Seriously, place a bet on it. I have! Betting on KU to lose on the road at this point is free money. We'll probably lose at home to Arizona too.

Guys, things are bad. Bad, bad. You can try to equivocate and compare us to other programs, but we're not other programs. You can't have it both ways. Expectations come with the territory.

We are at a crossroads. I do think that a big part of this is the FBI investigation that killed our recruiting. KJ and Dajuan are part of that. They were consolation prizes at a time when we couldn't get big names. Let's be honest with ourselves, they would not be playing here otherwise. They are the types of players you throw onto a roster to round it out. Not guys who are multiyear starters, playing a ton of minutes.

The FBI stuff is over, maybe we'll turn the corner in recruiting now. Peterson is the REAL DEAL. Him and Flory together could be special. You find a few Zeke Mayos to throw around them and we could have a special team. You lose either of those guys and...uh...we might need to have a serious conversation about Self. I genuinely don't know. We will see.

@MoonwalkMafia pretty much exactly how I feel but you are much better at putting it to words. I’m sadly wondering if the Golden age of KU hoops from 1984 to 2022 is done. Will we ever be like that again?

Here’s the thing..he never tried to recruit over KJ and Dajuan. That’s what puzzling to me and a result of him being stubborn.

@TYOHawk said in Ute came to the right place:

Here’s the thing..he never tried to recruit over KJ and Dajuan. That’s what puzzling to me and a result of him being stubborn.

This is an objectively false statement. At PG, Self has brought in Bobby Pettiford, Jalen Coleman-Lands, Remy Martin, and Elmarko Jackson.

At forward, Zach Clemence was in the same class as KJ. Others expected to take minutes from KJ were Ernest Udeh, Zuby Ejiofor.

Obviously, none of those options worked out except for Remy for the last few games, but to say Self never attempted to upgrade those positions is just flat out wrong.

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Ute came to the right place:

@TYOHawk said in Ute came to the right place:

Here’s the thing..he never tried to recruit over KJ and Dajuan. That’s what puzzling to me and a result of him being stubborn.

This is an objectively false statement. At PG, Self has brought in Bobby Pettiford, Jalen Coleman-Lands, Remy Martin, and Elmarko Jackson.

At forward, Zach Clemence was in the same class as KJ. Others expected to take minutes from KJ were Ernest Udeh, Zuby Ejiofor.

Obviously, none of those options worked out except for Remy for the last few games, but to say Self never attempted to upgrade those positions is just flat out wrong.

This is untrue imo. Pettiford wasn’t ever a threat to take minutes from him. JCL is more of a two guard than anything. Remy…no need to go into that situation but we had an actual nba player coming off the bench for a minute due to Self not benching Harris. Elmarko played the two as well as Arterio Morris even though they were evaluated as point guards. They played as secondary ball handlers cause God forbid anyone actually gets to be the primary handler when Dajuan is on the team.

Clemence came in the same class. Zuby and Udeh are 5’s which theoretically KJ is but he complained about playing the 5. So we moved him to the 4 and have yet to try to upgrade. We passed on getting Harrison Ingram who ended up being a NBA player due to KJ.

@TYOHawk said in Ute came to the right place:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Ute came to the right place:

@TYOHawk said in Ute came to the right place:

Here’s the thing..he never tried to recruit over KJ and Dajuan. That’s what puzzling to me and a result of him being stubborn.

This is an objectively false statement. At PG, Self has brought in Bobby Pettiford, Jalen Coleman-Lands, Remy Martin, and Elmarko Jackson.

At forward, Zach Clemence was in the same class as KJ. Others expected to take minutes from KJ were Ernest Udeh, Zuby Ejiofor.

Obviously, none of those options worked out except for Remy for the last few games, but to say Self never attempted to upgrade those positions is just flat out wrong.

This is untrue imo. Pettiford wasn’t ever a threat to take minutes from him. JCL is more of a two guard than anything. Remy…no need to go into that situation but we had an actual nba player coming off the bench for a minute due to Self not benching Harris. Elmarko played the two as well as Arterio Morris even though they were evaluated as point guards. They played as secondary ball handlers cause God forbid anyone actually gets to be the primary handler when Dajuan is on the team.

Clemence came in the same class. Zuby and Udeh are 5’s which theoretically KJ is but he complained about playing the 5. So we moved him to the 4 and have yet to try to upgrade. We passed on getting Harrison Ingram who ended up being a NBA player due to KJ.

Hindsight is easy to claim Self didn't attempt to because those players didn't pan out as hoped for. It still doesn't change that the reality was that Self and staff did attempt to recruit over Harris and Adams.

When Self brought in Pettiford, JCL, and Remy, all in the same class, the expectation was never that Dejuan Harris would be the long term starting PG because he was not a starter at that point. Marcus Garrett was the starting PG during Dejuan's 1st season playing with Dejuan coming off the bench that year.

The plan the following year was that Remy starts, then Pettiford would take over the following year. Self absolutely recruited that class with the expectation of Pettiford winning that job long term. Also, notice that I did not bring up Aterio Morris because he wasn't brought in to be a lead guard. Elmarko Jackson was and was forced to move off ball because of Morris being kicked off the team. Jackson was absolutely expected to start as a back up and push Dejuan for minutes as the season went on.

With KJ, Clemence was always the bigger name in the class and expected to take those minutes. KJ played 5 minutes per game as a freshman. He was not guaranteed to start the following year. That happened because Udeh and Ejiofor weren't good enough to take those minutes. And no, Zuby was not projected to be a 5 long term, he was projected as a 4 long term. That's the spot he's playing now at St. John's. Hunter Dickinson coming in and running those two off changed the outlook of KU that season because there was a lot of talk of KJ also leaving because of Hunter.

So again, just because the players didn't pan out as expected, that doesn't change that Self didn't make efforts early on. Later on, there's politics involved in recruiting that play into situations like recruiting over multi year starters. For better or worse, the optics of recruiting over guys like Harris and Adams later on would have a negative impact on Self's reputation among recruits, especially multi year prospects.

There's absolutely a balancing act involved and too many people here don't understand how important that aspect of the job is.

@Texas-Hawk-10 Your objection is objectively false as I’ve proven

D2 started every game NEXT to Remy. Everyone thinks remy started for d2 but that never happened until remy got nicked up

Bill was always starting d2 because he said he’s the John Stockton of pure pg’s. He NEVER recruited guys over him just guys to play next to him or spot him minutes

Identical with Kj as proven by @BShark and @FarmerJayhawk how we were out on stud 4 guys because they knew coach loves Kj

Who did he recruit to take the ball out of Dajuan’s hands and not play alongside him?

I’ll be waiting cause it never happened.

@Texas-Hawk-10 geez revisionist history

D2 was recruited over by arterio lol heck no. It was d2 with Morris starting at the 2 guard per Puerto Rico and everyone who follows the hawks knows this

You must not see bills loyalty to d2 but he 100% had the keys from 2022 on

https://www2.kusports.com/weblogs/tale-tait/2021/jan/06/redshirt-freshman-dajuan-harris-shines-i/ ↗

@kuballin10 said in Ute came to the right place:

@Texas-Hawk-10 Your objection is objectively false as I’ve proven

D2 started every game NEXT to Remy. Everyone thinks remy started for d2 but that never happened until remy got nicked up

Bill was always starting d2 because he said he’s the John Stockton of pure pg’s. He NEVER recruited guys over him just guys to play next to him or spot him minutes

Identical with Kj as proven by @BShark and @FarmerJayhawk how we were out on stud 4 guys because they knew coach loves Kj

If you remember the Michigan State game the year we won the title. The lineup was Dajuan/Remy/Ochai/CB/Big Dave. Jalen came off the bench. Now that could’ve been because of his dui or incident but Jalen didn’t start if I recall until Remy got hurt.

He has never tried to take the ball out of Dajuan’s hands. It is a blatant lie to say he did. He recruited guys to compliment him but never tried to upgrade

@TYOHawk said in Ute came to the right place:

Who did he recruit to take the ball out of Dajuan’s hands and not play alongside him?

I’ll be waiting cause it never happened.

I already laid it out for you and have pretty explicitly said multiple times that obviously that vision didn't work out as anticipated. You choosing to not accept that was the vision at the time doesn't change that was the vision at the time.

So tell me, after the 2020-21 season with Marcus Garrett as the starting PG, how many people were projecting Dejuan Harris to win the starting PG job long term with a 2021 class that included Remy Martin, Bobby Pettiford, JCL, and Joe Yesufu? Did Self bring all those players in that class because he thought Dejuan Harris was going end up being a 4 year starter? You don't bring that many potential short and long term answers in because you think the answer is ready on the roster.

I'm done responding to you on this, I've answered your question multiple times, you choose whether you want to accept that answer or keep using hindsight, but I'm done addressing it.

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Ute came to the right place:

@TYOHawk said in Ute came to the right place:

Who did he recruit to take the ball out of Dajuan’s hands and not play alongside him?

I’ll be waiting cause it never happened.

I already laid it out for you and have pretty explicitly said multiple times that obviously that vision didn't work out as anticipated. You choosing to not accept that was the vision at the time doesn't change that was the vision at the time.

So tell me, after the 2020-21 season with Marcus Garrett as the starting PG, how many people were projecting Dejuan Harris to win the starting PG job long term with a 2021 class that included Remy Martin, Bobby Pettiford, JCL, and Joe Yesufu? Did Self bring all those players in that class because he thought Dejuan Harris was going end up being a 4 year starter? You don't bring that many potential short and long term answers in because you think the answer is ready on the roster.

I'm done responding to you on this, I've answered your question multiple times, you choose whether you want to accept that answer or keep using hindsight, but I'm done addressing it.

You can’t address it because you’re wrong like me and Kubballin have told you. Since 22 Self has never tried to recruit over Dajuan. He has recruited guys to play alongside him. Morris, JCL, Remy, Elmarko have all played the two while DaJuan has ran point. Even now when Diggy and Shak are in with Dajuan he is running point.

@TYOHawk It's been addressed. You're just choosing to ignore/not accept that plans don't always work out as anticipated. Have a nice day.

Two of the most laughable things I’ve ever read in my life as a KU fan are in this thread. First one- KJ Adam’s kicked ass last night… 26 minutes, 4 points, 3 rebounds and 3 assists. Second one- Jalen Coleman Lands was a Point Guard or recruited here to be one. I literally spit out
My drink at that one!!

@TYOHawk spot on my friend, Remy was a renta player that wasn’t quite good enough to make the NBA for 1 year not sure how in the hell that could be labeled as Juan’s replacement with Juan being a Sophomore at the time and as I put above JCL was never a point guard by any stretch of imagination.

@kjayhawks said in Ute came to the right place:

@TYOHawk spot on my friend, Remy was a renta player that wasn’t quite good enough to make the NBA for 1 year not sure how in the hell that could be labeled as Juan’s replacement with Juan being a Sophomore at the time and as I put above JCL was never a point guard by any stretch of imagination.

Coach allowed his loyalty to burn him with those two. It is what it is. I’m not a big Dajuan or KJ guy. But one of the truly sad parts of this is I genuinely believe him and KJ give all they have..but they don’t have the talent to be built around. It’s frustrating.

But next year is a fresh slate…hopefully it reignites the fire in Coach.

@TYOHawk yes very true statement IMO self set KJ up to fail. He would be a fan favorite just like Lightfoot if Self had put him in the role. Both are good guys and no ill will towards personally they just aren’t great players at this level.

Agree. It makes me sad that I am conflicted about KJ and Dajuan. Kids we should root for without an astericks.

@kjayhawks I’ll cut @Texas-Hawk-10 a ton of slack on jcl statement. He goes back and forth with us on here and has some knowledge about the game.

I enjoy the jousting even if he’s told me I’m a dumb mfer lol

I want Self gone this off-season which people are shocked by. But seeing Liam McNeely and Philon get legit run and play well - they would not do that here. Even if they got run they wouldn’t score say the 38 like Liam had the other night. Self would lose his mind and it’s like he never lets players do that. It’s honesty really odd the more I dive into his philosophy along with how he’s won consistently but struggled to reach the mountaintop with top rosters

Self and his system are toast. He isn’t getting 3-4 year guys to stick around and if that’s what he needs to run his perfect little system than it’s outdated and a bad system. Explains the upsets and playing down to our comp in March.

@approxinfinity said in Ute came to the right place:

Agree. It makes me sad that I am conflicted about KJ and Dajuan. Kids we should root for without an astericks.

Great kids zero doubt just not starter level KU players

Self never intended to recruit over them and he flat out didn’t. He brought in other players but never guys we knew would take their starting jobs.

It’s been multiple off seasons of “1 and 4 are locked in”. You don’t think recruits and transfers know that - well shoot I have an beachfront property in Kansas to sell ya!

Bill tallied his horses to miniature ponies that he thinks are Clydesdales. He’s too arrogant to about face and hes too sawwfft to do anything about it now.

Next year will be diggy and dp…..he loves a good undersized guard who can’t guard or attack the paint - just float around the 3 point line with “energy”

@kuballin10 :hundred_points: Philon would never got double digits minutes playing for HOF BS. It's certainly a big loss.

https://www.si.com/college/kansas/basketball/bill-self-rips-team-himself-after-kansas-brutal-loss-to-utah: ↗
^Self didn’t just direct his criticism at the players—he called out the entire program for its inability to rise to the challenge.^

Q: what does he mean by including the entire program here? NIL? recruiting weak-arse guys?

^“I’m tired of regrouping,” Self said. “We don’t need to regroup. We need to be men as an entire organization and do what our job is to do—accept responsibility for everybody when we don’t do it well. We didn’t do it well at all tonight.”^

Q: again, the entire organization.. - obviously his staff needs awakening or getting fired.. aside from players need to box out more, etc.. etc.. and of course coaching sucks.

@jay4ever Good stuff

Self doesn’t need a complete retool philosophically but he needs to adjust heavily

Don’t give up easy baskets and get them makes sense but today I’d rather have a guarded guy go 1 v 1 in the pain than let a dude chuck a wide open 3

The goal in today’s game is to run guys off the line and have them take a bunch of mid range jumpers. Defensively that’s what you want to have happen but we are the opposite as our rotations are such that we don’t recover quick enough and give up open 3

That paired with how we space and move the ball offensively is just brutal. There’s a reason guys come here and their free throw attempts per game plummet because the system has no spacing.

Throw it inside to “open up the 3” doesn’t work anymore because coaches fake double and recover or just let their big guard 1 v 1 and are okay giving up 20 points to Hunter. Granted he misses a ton of bunnies just like kj and a lotta of guys because guys are athletic and guard them straight up wel

Distance to the basket doesn’t always equal better - Self gotta grasp that

@jay4ever I think this is also him taking some responsibility for the situation. He is the head of the organization. He's calling himself out. But I do think he still has hope that these guys will figure out a way to motivate themselves. He CANT do it for them.

@benshawks08 The issue is more-so how he reacts to guys differently based on in game mistakes. That’s caused the serious division on this team.

Rylen and Storr have had some good moments and plenty of awful ones but getting the quick hook to watch the big 3 continually screw up and get dominated creates dissension.

This is all Self inflicted and he used to be able to get away with it via the seniority card but now when seniored guys transfer in who produces well elsewhere and he treats them different it creates exactly what you’ve seen play out.

Guys are pi$$ed and tired of the bs from bs. Treating three guys like they walk on water when in reality they are getting blown out while then defending those three is bad.

I’d be hard pressed not to tell the coach to take a hike as well because he clearly doesn’t have a clue how to handle the squad. He hasn’t gotten through to them but that’s because of his treatment starting early in the season.

Messing with starters, saying he messed up storr, saying storr and Rylan aren’t getting it - same old bs from bs except they were at other programs that recently are more successful than ours. This causes the basketball iq to say this old goat is off his rocker, sawft and we are playing black and white 1950’s ball - I’d be checked out as well after a few quick hooks in Nov/Dec

@approxinfinity said in Ute came to the right place:

Well. I wish i was within 100 miles of you @drgnslayr i would come hang out and talk about your sons game instead, positively of course

Wish we could post video here. I'd post some examples of fundamental basketball!

Bill's lost it. Even his technical was weak and unconvincing at Utah. He doesn't have fire behind his eyes anymore.

I'll be shocked if he goes another year. Shocked.

The question is... does he stay and mentor a replacement?

@kuballin10 Come on... Yes, there are issues, but putting it all on the handling of Storr and Griffen? While Alabama has definitely been better the past three years (remember they lost 12 games last year), Wisconsin has not - they went 22-14 last year. Storr led them in scoring, but was high usage and very inefficient - 43% from the field, 32% from 3, 4 rebounds and one assist per game. Doesn't defend. He had no shot as a 3 and D in the NBA unless he improved his shooting and more importantly, defense, which is why he came to KU. It appears that he is what he has been, doesn't have the requisite BBall IQ, or is just unwilling to do what is necessary to become a better player. He was a recruiting mistake much more than a usage one...Griffen is basically a one-dimensional player - a good spot up shooter - who fit well with the other pieces around him at Alabama. Not so much here - Harris isn't Sears in penetrating and creating opportunities for shooters...

I agree that HCBS has always shown a quicker hook for some players and not others who seemingly make the same mistakes, but in this case, the problem is more a roster construction one than usage....

@drgnslayr

I hope your wrong about the end for Bill. Just don't see him walking away from a down year and bringing in Peterson. He will set the program back further if he leaves now and Peterson bolts, which would happen 100%.

I hear the other side of this argument but I can't imagine Bill isn't giving his best efforts and I have no doubts he would hang it up if he didn't have that desire

@DCHawker Storr is a black hole- -he gets the ball 85 % of the time it's not coming back.-- Like the other night , he hits his first shot , very next time down the floor one pass goes to Storr and surprise jacks up another three - -terrible shot.-- He has no desire to play defense , he rivals Dickinson if not worse on the defensive end.- -His shot volume is unreal. Like has been said multiple times hee there is a reason why he has been to so many Schools.

There is a reason he didn't end up Declaring for the NBA this past year- got to many deficiencies , he won't play NBA-- he might make some money over seas but for sure he isn't cutting it in the NBA.

Griffen is better but still has problems just dribbling the ball down the floor without dribbling it off his leg or trying to drive between two/three opposition- - -no matter what some that are obsessed about Firing Bill THIS is far from being all his fault.

@DCHawker putting it all on those 2 guys? Heck no - I listed 5 when you count how he handled the big 3…..

This is well past two players but it’s shown how those guys were successful elsewhere and they come here and struggle

That’s because of Self and his bad system/philosophy

@BeddieKU23 Bill with DP thinks next year is his year

Book it

Won’t win the big 12

Lose in the sweet 16 to a higher seed

He will have diggy eating minutes and DP throwing it into the post to “run the offense” his way

His brand of basketball has always been unappealing. Roy never won titles but boy were his teams fun to watch.

The 2008/2022 teams almost collapsed multiple times in the tournament to severely lesser teams because of how Bill likes to limit possessions and win rock fights.

It is the exact opposite of what you do if you had his kind of talent. It’d be like Ohio state wanting to slow it down and limit possessions on Notre dame - that’s what Norte dame would have wanted to give them a better chance - shorten the game

@kuballin10 would you rather Bill be gone instead of one more year, if it means we lose Flory and Dp?

@drgnslayr said in Ute came to the right place:

Bill's lost it. Even his technical was weak and unconvincing at Utah. He doesn't have fire behind his eyes anymore.

I'll be shocked if he goes another year. Shocked.

The question is... does he stay and mentor a replacement?

He hasn't lost it, he's just over this team and this group. This was his response about KU getting off to slow starts and he pretty much threw the team under the bus for their lack of motivation and effort.

"I think you should probably ask the players that. The first possession they score off a simple ball screen, and we're in a certain coverage. And guys were surprised were surprised we were in it and we've only been talking about it for, you know, 24-48 hours. So that's frustrating. I don't know exactly what that answer is coming out of a half time different or starting a game differently. I really don't know what the answer is on that, because it seems to me to start any athletic contest both teams are usually pretty geeked up and on point. Even though you don't always play well, but usually the mistakes that you make aren't because you aren't aware of that. 'This is how we're going to try to guard.'"

Most of y'all know I coach at my middle school. I coach football, basketball and soccer there. Every year at the beginning of the first basketball and soccer practices, I ask my team why they're out there to play (I'm head coach of those sports, not football though). Are they out there for fun or to try and win a district championship? I then explain the differences in how I will coach them depending on what they want their experience to be. After they inevitably choose to go for a district championship, I then explain to them what goes into winning a district championship and if they're ready to make those sacrifices. Most teams ended up putting forth their best effort to reach that goal and some were successful, some weren't, but they were better teams and players by end of that season. It's been a successful strategy with several basketball championships and rebuilt our school's soccer program from the worst in the district when I took over to a championship team last season.

@kuballin10 Almost only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades

@approxinfinity aghhh that’s a tough one

If it is true Oats wants to come here I don’t think we lose DP and Flory. I think Adidas steps up so with or without Bill I don’t think it matters.

Now to play the game if the options are Oats and transfers but lose DP and Flory or have Bill and those 2 - I want DP more than Oats so can wait 1 more year lol

Bills gonna butcher it and mess something up about that squad and we won’t run anywhere close to like we should. Good chance the 1 and 4 are young, unproven and will tick Bill off with their play and he will defer to more senior’d guys who are in the right positions (can’t make the plays but hey they are at least standing on the court where he wants them) but limit the March ceiling

My confidence in Bill is below zero much like the current roster

@Texas-Hawk-10 Setting the expectation upfront….you gotta be in sales too lol

What’s the goal - why are we doing this - make the client/kids tell you and then tailor what you do from there

Genius

@SlimShaddy54 true dat! Wish we almost had L’s and instead were racking up Dubs!

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Ute came to the right place:

@drgnslayr said in Ute came to the right place:

Bill’s lost it. Even his technical was weak and unconvincing at Utah. He doesn’t have fire behind his eyes anymore.
I’ll be shocked if he goes another year. Shocked.
The question is… does he stay and mentor a replacement?

“I think you should probably ask the players that. The first possession they score off a simple ball screen, and we’re in a certain coverage. And guys were surprised were surprised we were in it and we’ve only been talking about it for, you know, 24-48 hours. So that’s frustrating. I don’t know exactly what that answer is coming out of a half time different or starting a game differently. I really don’t know what the answer is on that, because it seems to me to start any athletic contest both teams are usually pretty geeked up and on point. Even though you don’t always play well, but usually the mistakes that you make aren’t because you aren’t aware of that. ‘This is how we’re going to try to guard.’”

Perfect example for why I said what I said.

He doesn't have answers anymore. He has the most-senior team in America and they aren't coachable?

You look at them out there and they are lost. It's almost March. They didn't look this lost in November.

I've been the biggest supporter of Bill Self going back to Day 1 at Kansas.

It's time for him to ride off in the sunset.

@drgnslayr This is the issue with high dollar NIL deals for players who don't have an NBA future. They don't care because they got theirs. It happens in the pros a lot to when a player signs a huge contract and their production amd performance drops off a cliff.

@Texas-Hawk-10 one has to wonder exactly when these kids / man children lost the love for basketball, where that wouldnt be reason alone to give it their all.

@Texas-Hawk-10

Every team faces the same issue. It's not a valid excuse when you compete against teams facing that same problem. The problem is he doesn't know how to reach them, or teach them.

This is the oldest team in college basketball with the most experience. There is no excuse for playing this level of basketball.

Did ya ever notice how much nicer the posts are when KU is winning?

@SlimShaddy54

Slow dancing.

@drgnslayr said in Ute came to the right place:

@Texas-Hawk-10

Every team faces the same issue. It's not a valid excuse when you compete against teams facing that same problem. The problem is he doesn't know how to reach them, or teach them.

This is the oldest team in college basketball with the most experience. There is no excuse for playing this level of basketball.

How many schools have multiple players on 7 figure, or close to it, NIL deals where those players have zero chance of ever making the NBA? Name them.

@Texas-Hawk-10

So they get paid more than don't perform? So you are saying our problems are solved by cutting off NIL money?

Does KJ and Juan make huge NIL money?

Your view of these guys isn't positive at all. They came here to scam us, huh?

I don't buy that for a second.

@drgnslayr There are players that don't give a dam about the School - they don't think about the history of the School , the tradition of the Schools. A lot of these players are fringe NBA at best, they make more money in College then they will in G league because that's where they will end up , or over sea's, so instead of declaring they come back, they KNOW they are getting bank NIL and that's all that matters, their thinking is hey I'm making my money I could give a crap less about the game- - lets get this over with

KU has a couple of these guys right now, their focus is crap ---- their intensity is crap -their team concept is crap- - you could ask these guys about unity- -love of the game and they will look at you like what the f - - - are you talking about,-- They actually don't give a dam - -you wanna pull me- - then pull me I'm still making my NIL- -so ya they do need to get rid of this dam NIL-- it's ruining the College game

I myself don't give a dam if other teams players are facing the same thing - - I'm worried about Ku players and only KU players and right now with the approach some players on this team has - - It would be fine if they just kicked their ass out of here, get guys that wanna play for the game , for the School screw the rest

@SlimShaddy54

You could be right... so we suck because we don't know how to pick players with character. (sarcasm)

I mention all schools in the same boat because it supports the idea that we aren't cutting the mustard against other schools. Time for an administrative change.

But come on... it's more than that. I guarantee none of these kids are evil. They came and are getting well-paid and they aren't secretly flipping off KU.

@drgnslayr no they are not evil- - just twisted, it's all about money- -I'm telling you a lot just don't give a dam about the school- -they love the bidding war for their so called service.-

The Frank Mason - -Devonte Graham -- Christian Braun-- Thomas Robinson - Mark Turgeon days are history- -these guys I mentioned really care- -you could tell they loved the Coach They had true feelings for the School - -Not any more

@drgnslayr said in Ute came to the right place:

@Texas-Hawk-10

So they get paid more than don't perform? So you are saying our problems are solved by cutting off NIL money?

Does KJ and Juan make huge NIL money?

Your view of these guys isn't positive at all. They came here to scam us, huh?

I don't buy that for a second.

KU's total NIL budget last season was about $4 million. It's a similar amount this year. So no, Dejuan and KJ are not making anywhere close to what Hunter Dickinson and AJ Storr are making in NIL money who are taking up well over half of KU's NIL budget if their NIL deal numbers are accurate. Dickinson and Storr are taking up the largest chunk of KU's NIL budget. Which two players have been criticized the most this year for not putting forth the necessary effort at times? Storr and Dickinson. Those two do not have an NBA future and making more money in NIL deals at Kansas than they would over in Europe playing pro ball.

Those two got their bag, complacency set in once they secured their bags, and we're seeing that fruits of two high dollar NIL players without NBA futures.

So again, please tell me another school that has two players making what Dickinson and Storr are making in NIL that do not have NBA futures.

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@Texas-Hawk-10 one has to wonder exactly when these kids / man children lost the love for basketball, where that wouldnt be reason alone to give it their all.

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@Texas-Hawk-10

I just looked at Dickinson's stats over his college career. He's up and down in categories over his performance at Michigan, but nothing is glaring. His rebounding #s are definitely up at KU.

I'll stick with Greenberg's opinion that he should be spending his time in the low post instead of out on the perimeter.

If we used him right his numbers would be flying off the chart. My question... who decides if he plays down low or up high? Isn't that Self? If Self designed him in the low post and he refused to do it, wouldn't Self pull him?

Listening to anothr KU Pod Cast and they were saying and I had already seen this in person so pretty well knew but people crying and bitching saying Storr should be playing more ? - - -- WHY ? what has he done to justify him getting more minutes.?

One thing we do know is - - Storr ranked third- -THIRD ! ! !NCAA/NATION - -in shot attempts to reach 16.0 per game- his shot volume is insane

One thg we do know about Storr is , in the little minutes he has played the first time he catch's the ball it is going up----- - your not getting it back- - he either clangs it up OR he tries driving the base line.-- It's like I'm getting mine.

There was an excellent question asked in the pod cast. They said they feel like the Staff should be asking these kids in the portal

Why are you wanting to transfer ?- -Like for Rylan-- Rylan why you wanting to transfer ?-- Your coming off a Season where you wer the starter on a final four program ?

AJ-- ? - -enough sid- -Four diffeent High Schools -- Three Colleges ? -- umm sorry AJ just don't think we can use you here lmao

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In our starting lineup we have:

3 players with the experience of a Final Four (2 with a National Championship), and 1 player who is a two-time second-team All-American.

I wish people would stop vilifying our players. This is a team with plenty of talent, enough to be thought to be #1 at the beginning of the season. And it's more than just hustle or attitude. I can 100% guarantee you can pluck any of these players out of this team and stick them on another team and they will perform at the level that got them to Kansas.

It is pretty obvious these guys aren't meshing together and some may be bad fits for this team. That still doesn't explain them only going even with BYU's 3rd string.

@drgnslayr Hunt in the post missed bunnies and is often double teamed due to the defense not respecting any of our other players besides Mayo to hit a 3

@drgnslayr I think you mentioning two players as national title winners but not understanding 1 played maybe what 3-4 minutes all tournament and the others minutes were cut in half from the regular season -

Brings you to the conclusion that the roster is good enough when it isn’t even remotely close

Bill on the other hand can’t maximize his talent unless he’s had them here for 4 years to play “his way”

When DP starts every game feeding the post it is yet again Bill not even grasping how basketball works today. He still thinks you gotta throw it inside to open up the 3

@kuballin10 that crap ain't happening next year , you can take it to the bank - - - Not Happening- -more reason then not this year was because supposedly we had this stud muffin 7'2 All American that was automatic from down low , why it was through him 75 % of the time

Turns out that 7'2 All world stud turned to and all nothing creme puff that thought he was Steph Curry. -- They ARE NOT going to run the offense through Flory, it will be run or evolve around Darryn. The One position Bill has never had problem and players evolving is Guard position. - Wings possibly- -Bigs maybe --But NEVER had problems involving and guards developing