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Its good to have incremental goals.

LOL, I thought it should lets see if Self doesn't burn a TO before the first TV Timeout!

I pray it's not like last year but it certainly feels more then possible. Sigh

Same thing I've said the last couple of games, I want to see Hunter active and engaged. If that happens, KU has a chance. If he plays half-assed, KU loses by a lot.

I think the real question is, will we reach 55 points for the game ? -will we end up with over 15 turnovers in this game , will w keep the defiit under 25 ill we make over 7 three pointers in this game against this Houston defense ?

Weirdly, I feel like we're going to win this one.

Looked at Wake and thought, these guys stink. Then noticed their record is better than KU's (maybe tied after tonight though).

@DanR said in Lets take the lead into the first TV timeout!:

Looked at Wake and thought, these guys stink. Then noticed their record is better than KU's (maybe tied after tonight though).

ACC is really weak. Wake's only win of note was Michigan by 2 early in the season. Have recently lost to FSU, UVA and NC State...

Whelp turned the volume down already

Kj workin that’s good

2 quick fouls on Uzan...

Good strategy to go at them

It went in

4 shot attempts on that possession...

They have given up already

Bleh hunter

UH already has 5 more shot attempts - killing us on the glass...

We get pushed around and don’t fight back

Dickinson has got to quit taking those dam threes every fricken game 20 % is not cutting it

Absolutely no reason to stop driving into the paint on them

Go after them bill

My god why kj can’t use his body to draw a foul

SHut up Fran

Was it a foul? Let’s look at that last Houston shot.

@wissox He doesn't know how to. --Can't stand this guy

Storr was clobbered on the arm. Fran is such an idiot

Can we even get a shot off? Chuck em up guys.

Why go high when you can go low, juando?

No foul?

What

We could be up ten or down 15

We don't stand much of a chance especially if they're not going to call the fouls on them every time down the floor.

What a ugly game both ways. Houston leaving us all kinds of opportunities all we can do is turn it over

This is painful in every wsy

Good shot Diggy.

Make a 3 then give up a 3. Sigh

28 % shooting for us

Why can’t hunt just toss the ball in? Over paid

Bad defense Diggy

Storr just can not catch a pass

Battling. Not accomplishing much and the refs are crap, but we’re still in this somehow.

@SlimShaddy54 said in Lets take the lead into the first TV timeout!:

Storr just can not catch a pass

You almost have to play Storr with how Zeke is playing

Nice Hunt. Swish Diggy.

Good job dig

We have to be tough when they just hammer us on the back and knock the ball away?

Diggy showing he can knock down a 3 (heck take one) along with attack off the dribble for an assist

All while being a legit d2 athlete

Juan goes to the bench and we look better - shocking

Diggy diggin it.

Or Diggy works lol

Why not pressure the inbound?

Good job kj

Bad passes.

Thank you Lord for Diggy

So many turnovers it's baffling

Right when the group looks good gotta get ole D2 back in I’m sure for defense cause he’s such an ace lockdown defender!

Cougars playing like shit and we are stoooping to their level

I’m sorry but Diggy and Storr> Zeke and Juan

8 TO’s us, 2 them

Zeke hasn't even take a shot attempt yet--thats not acceptable

We’re tied, so things are kind of working

We are down 15 shots?

Boomdunga

Zeke you gotta drive, my man

@DanR He tried.

Right idea zeke

turnover after turnover after turnover -they can't let this gt any further finishing the half

I almost posted while we were up 2 with 2 minutes left that we’d manage to be down 10 at the half

Too many OR’s.

Zeke was hacked

Is it just me or is Houston getting away with murder?

There’s your redefining moment zeke. Get your mojo back. We need it!!

@Zabudda Bunch of serial killers!

Cut down on the turnovers and get something outta Juan and Rylan, we can win this

We over match them. If we just played average and smart this and the previous game would be comfortable Wins

Four highlights four uncalled fouls. Lol

9 TO’s with only 2 points made off it by Houston.

I've gotta go get my Cooper Flagg doll.

They took 17 more shots but made only three more.

This felt about as good as could expect for the first half. Keep it up in the second half, clean up some turnovers and do a better job on the defensive glass and KU's got a shot.

Other than rebounding, the defense has been very good tonight holding UH to 31% from the field and 36% from 3.

got to gete Zeke going too, Diggy been good but need Zeke also

TTech torched these guys in Houston basically without Toppin a few weeks ago. I'm not positive Houston is as good as their lofty ranking, but I could be wrong.

Really impressed with Hunter’s new found effort. Whatever it is, its working.

If this is “a street fight” it depends on whether you call a mugging a street fight.

Another turnover

Not sure this team has seen a weight room

Their guy ends up on floor it's a foul, our guy ends up on floor, nothing to see here, move on.

I mean arms all over hunter on that replay

Hacked every time

Get a T bill

is there such a thing as a coordination class - - another Mayo turnover a Houston three

I want Frank to come back to Lawrence. Bill Self harassed Larry Brown until Brown gave him a job, time for Bill to pay it forward.

Frank would get these guys in the weight room.

Weak foul come on man. After all that.

Foul THERE?

Time for KU to get rough

Frans an idiot. This team has nba players on it

Free the Zeke!

Yes! Deeee feeense!

Go go go

We are starting to fight back throwing bodies around

Man it's great to see Zeke hit that three -- maybe confidence builder

Good effort to get the lead now just freaking rebound

I'll be honest. I never expected to be fully interested in this game. Maybe for a change we can finish one like we always used to finish these games.

This win would be so huge. Beat Houston at home senior night and anything is possible. Double shot of confidence

If pool noodles ever become a thing in AFH I’m out

This type of game -- where you man up physical guts and want to- --guys trying-- Kj putting out, just really got to watch Cryer

Gotta muscle up for the rest of this. Refs are going to call everything on us, so Make it count

Wowww Zeke

A little magic by zeke

And that

@approxinfinity said in Lets take the lead into the first TV timeout!:

Frans an idiot. This team has nba players on it

He meant next season and he's not wrong. Nobody on this roster is good enough to play in the NBA in 2025-26.

Soft ass passes come on!

Legit dumbest team

boys these guys can't hang onto the ball

Fourth foul on Cryer

Comical

Ohhh! Lets foul him out this time

Actually called a foul there. 🤪

@Texas-Hawk-10 ok but he didnt say that. He should say that if he means that. Sloppy Fran.

Cmon guys. Look at the scoreboard and look at your jersey. Fight for a win

Houston has 20 more shots than we do with 12 minutes left.

Holding Houston to 32 % shooting , other then Crye Houston 12-39

Hands up defense!

We CAN NOT have Storr on the floor at any time PERIOD

@approxinfinity said in Lets take the lead into the first TV timeout!:

@Texas-Hawk-10 ok but he didnt say that. He should say that if he means that. Sloppy Fran.

I thought it was pretty clear what Fran was referring to.

Laughable turnover zeke

4 turnovers on Hunter-- 4 turnovers on Mayo-- -15 a a team

@BeddieKU23 More like cryable

Wish hunt was making a few of these. His FTs aren't automatic these days.

Good flop hunt! More of that

crept back within two

Need these two KJ

Refs heard us and it's a 7-2 foul count now.

@Texas-Hawk-10 well then he was wrong if thats what he meant because we didnt have anyone drafted in 2019 or 2009.

Good job kj!!!

Diggy playin his ass off

We just won't go away.

Adams 9-10 FT tonight. Wouldn't have predicted that a couple of years ago.

Big improvement there from him

Kj is playing HARD

I feel like we are keeping them in it but yet hanging in at the same time. Waiting for our 6th year PG to actually show up Diggy making a fool outta him tonight

Bawitdaba, da-bang, da-bang, diggy-diggy-diggy
Said the boogie, said up drop the boogie

The longer we stay right herre, might just maybe be a little bit of tightness creep into Houston's head - shots get a little tighter

I’m just going to stand for the rest of the game. Wife and dog left the room in the first half so I won’t look too stupid

@BeddieKU23 KJ is 9-10 from the line tonight

Someone just posted a picture of "He kicked his leg out" when Fran said Storr did that on the 3. Storrs legs are straight up and down.

Jesus theyve shot 22 more shots than us

KJ again-- - -15 points

@wissox I have the TV muted for this reason

well dam

@kjayhawks I've been multitasking tonight with paper grading so I've been barely paying attention, but I caught that moment.

Very convenient foul call

@wissox do your grades reflect the score lol

Dumbass

Good grief zeke

Well guys

I wish replay would show when that happens, they never do. Wonder if the ref is using his imagination sometimes.

Well that may have been the straw that broke the camels back. Our guards have been terrible outside Diggy for really the second game in a row

At this point.,, can forgive the brain fart on the baseline but letting your guy score after you lazily fight across a screen. .. coaching or just a zeke thing I don’t know

This team is always looking for another player to be the hero

Press looks legit

Jump

Houston didnt have possession when they granted timeout. Bobbling it.

Well really need kjs rebounding from Saturday to make an appearance

Why not press more?

Nice dime zeke!

Dumb dumb pass

So stupid

Dude they are mauling hunter every posession gtfo ref

flop

Sirmons?

Still winnable… a little inspiration from a coach or player during this TO

This is eaactly the way our whole dam Season has went- - -so frustrating , so inconsistent - 18 turnoves,. Can someone tell me how we can play Houston this tough both times and yet get curb stomped by BYU and lose three league games at home

Actually we are very consistent.

Just not in the way we want.

Can’t have a hesitant player out there now. Hope zeke is sitting

Oh well

@bskeet said in Lets take the lead into the first TV timeout!:

Actually we are very consistent.

Just not in the way we want.

We consistently making losing plays down the stretch in games that we should’ve won. That’s why this group is so frustrating, some of the mental lapses are elementary plain and simple.

I'm ready to take the moral victory as good enough. We didn't get embarrassed.

Steal this game back. Come on guys!

@kjayhawks Just as you type that Diggy gives up that rebound.

@DanR That's a better attitude than mine!

@DanR if we were getting hammered I’d be asleep by now lol

There's hunter getting fouled again. You think he's just going to miss that pass?

Well. Fed hunt for a two at best, always looking for someone else on the team to be the hero, doesn’t work,

Whoever is responsible for coaching defensive rebounding may want to look for another job

Can’t watch, but the box score doesn’t look good. 7 turnovers for Hunter and 5 for Zeke. Is the defense great or are our guys careless?

This team is cursed.

@dylans Bit of both

houdton 18 offensive rebounds - Dickinson 7 turnoves- -Mayo 5 turnoves- great receipe for defeat

@dylans both

Still in the same situation they were in in AFH

Lol

We gave them a scare you just can’t win road games giving up 16 offensive rebounds, 19 turnovers and getting nothing from 2 starters. Juan and Rylan combine for 4 assists, 4 rebounds and 2 points…. That’s just not gonna win games as I’ve said a 100 times like a broken record you have to have elite guard play to win not only on the road but in March in general. We just don’t have it.

@dylans They frustrated us with giving up offensive boards galore and careless turnovers. We may have gotten fouled a few times without whistles.

Wow Diggy

Let’s go guys!!!!

If they miss, Coit at the buzzer for a winner, how about that for a game plan?

I've NEVER seen a KU team so careless with the ball

Oh boy

Tie this up and take it to .. ot. Nevermind

Juan mistaking this for baseball.

Nice game Hunter.

On Self for having Zeke in the game, same flipping story

@kjayhawks who should be out there instead of Zeke?

@approxinfinity flory

@approxinfinity anyone with a pulse at this point sorry but he has cost us countless times at the end of games.

@SlimShaddy54 said in Lets take the lead into the first TV timeout!:

I've NEVER seen a KU team so careless with the ball

Oldest team in college basketball

At least it was not a blowout, which it could have been with the TO’s and OR’s.

@DanR said in Lets take the lead into the first TV timeout!:

@approxinfinity flory

I can live with a freshman making mistakes but this is just poor coaching no other way to slice it. As I said before get up every morning and hit yourself in the hand with a hammer, then tell me if hurts less the second, third or fifth day? Do the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results is insanity…. Albert Einstein

Mentally, this is the worst team in my lifetime. I’ll Keep rooting for them until the season is done, of course, but good grief. Just some stupid basketball,

They had 26 more shot attempts because we had 20 turnovers and gave up 17 offensive rebounds. It's pretty obvious why we lost this one.

Lets call what Houston has “maulicality”?

Strip-maul defense?

Can’t win and won’t win anything with that level of guard play.

@DanR Correct for a team that returned 3 starters and has the most experienced team in CBB is just mind blowing. Wasn’t expecting to win either way, let’s hope we can keep the 20 win streak alive and survive another crap season.

Joe Lunardi makes Fran seem cool.

We beat the #2 team Puke and should have beaten the #3 team twice. Still some potential here to make a run.

Sigh….

@TYOHawk said in Lets take the lead into the first TV timeout!:

Can’t win and won’t win anything with that level of guard play.

Yeppers been saying for 2 years, been catching shit for it too. Which starting PG in the Self outside Juan goes out there and doesn’t impact the game in the slightest? 2 points and 2 assists outta the best pure PG around. People who say that are only bull shitting themselves.

I would like to be a 9 seed

@approxinfinity 8,9, 5 or 11 could be interesting 🤨

@kjayhawks That includes our hof coach who swears how great he is……

Wish he’d call it quits

Watching the senior 3 turn it over time after time running his trash offense is enough

Goff needs to show Self the door instead he will have him 1 more season so he can run DP into the ground and we still won’t win our league

It’s trash and oh yeah diggy will start at pg as I’ve said all along (because Bill will like how he knows the system, practices hard and shows better in practice than any new guy) - Bill’s done both mentally and when it comes to identifying talent/elevating it

Oh and we won’t win again this year….just like I’ve said

@kjayhawks said in Lets take the lead into the first TV timeout!:

@TYOHawk said in Lets take the lead into the first TV timeout!:

Can’t win and won’t win anything with that level of guard play.

Yeppers been saying for 2 years, been catching shit for it too. Which starting PG in the Self outside Juan goes out there and doesn’t impact the game in the slightest? 2 points and 2 assists outta the best pure PG around. People who say that are only bull shitting themselves.

34 minutes… 2/3/2 box score from your 6th year PG. It’s genuinely embarrassing…

Bro he hasn’t even attempted a 3 in the last 3 games. In 2025 we have a PG who is acting scared to shoot a 3

@TYOHawk Don’t forget this is the pg coach says he wouldn’t trade for any other guard in America and he’s just a winner!

@kuballin10 said in Lets take the lead into the first TV timeout!:

@TYOHawk Don’t forget this is the pg coach says he wouldn’t trade for any other guard in America and he’s just a winner!

Kid isn’t good and the truth of the matter is talent wise he had no business at KU

Boneheaded play after boneheaded play after boneheaded play.

It’s just beyond frustrating for the experienced guys we have.

KISS! Keep it simple, stupid (s)!

Oh, in hindsight, I wish we could have BENCHED Zeke for all road games.

I watched the replay, hoping to see some improvement from their last meeting.
Boy, I tell you what, Diggy might be the smallest on the court, but he's got the biggest balls.
We played a bit tougher D against their bigs in the paint, losing by a single digit against a very strong & athletic team like Houston didn't look that bad. Offense wise, you can tell team doesn't practice enough throwing lobs, they look panicking (UH's disruptive D) - you can tell our guards don't seem comfortable. Harris, couldn't agree more with some here, is the worst PG in top-25, KU's school history. Cryer made him looks like a D2 PG. I'm looking forward team to pass quality passes instead of desperation passes. 40 vs 70 attempts say it all. FB played 17 minutes only got 1 FG. That's a really pathetic offense.

Not so fun with the box score!

A couple of super shocking stats here.

FGAs

KU — 42

Houston — 68

Offensive rebounds

KU — 5

Houston — 17

@rockchalkjayhawk 20 TOs might be the worst this season. But that's expected the way BS' runs lousy offense.

KU starting guards: 34min, 11min(Griffen), 34min; 9 pts., only 12 shot attempts in 79 combined minutes and 1/5 from 3. It's no mystery why this team sucks. Worst KU team since the Ted Owens' era.

@stoptheflop We just don’t have guards to compete, I think if we had 4 good guards to surround Hunt. We would look a lot like the 2018 team with Doke. Juando is a good guy and I really wish him well after he graduates. He was a decent get in the mist of the NCAA allegations but he’s never been the answer for starting PG. He likely doesn’t start at any other B12 school. Yes he made a good steal in the national championship game that help build momentum to start our comeback no one can say he didn’t help but I’m so tired of him living off of that one play for the last 3 years. He also had a huge blunder in the final minute that is right up there with Chris Webers time out if we don’t win. He was on the bench for much of the second half, his stats for that NC game are 2 points, 3 assists and 4 turnovers.

@approxinfinity Maybe the next game we should shoot for "Let's not be behind at Tipoff!"

I mean, I was pleased with the effort tbh. Yes, we got beaten, but at least we competed and in some areas they just had better personnel.

@approxinfinity we played hard and with this group sadly that is a thing. We just don’t have the guards, swap jerseys for Cryer whom wanted to come here and Juan. We win that game by double digits

@approxinfinity Says every K-State fan everywhere. Not a slam against you. Just not something KU Basketball fans are used to hearing.

Well sack up, brochachos! Haha. This too shall pass.

@approxinfinity But will it pass? Is this the end of the Kansas dynasty? Will we ever win a conference championship again? How many seasons will we stay out of the top 25? Sixteen years from now will Mizzou have as many Final Four appearances as us? Will we be K-State's bitches from now on? Will we trade Basketball Championships for Livestock Judging Championships?

So many questions.

Closer game then I expected by a wide margin, so I'll take the moral victory. However, having watched them give up 20 offensive boards and turn the ball over so carelessly all night just makes it all the more frustrating to understand. That game was once again winnable, and the guys just don't seem to have the competitiveness to overcome. The same mistakes get made over and over from the same individuals. It's like their allergic to playing well together.

What's the over/under on us hitting 20 wins this season?

This sums it up for me this year:

I love our players, but I hate our team!

@drgnslayr I think it’s 50/50 at this point

@Texas-Hawk-10 mission accomplished on Hunter, I thought. (Apologies if you already circled back on your point about the importance of his engagement, otherwise would be curious if you were happy with his output in large part)

Rebounding was a major concern coming into the year that wasn't properly addressed in offseason talent acquisitions. We had Hunter and nobody else proven with no expected big bumps from transfers or returnees. However, a lot of boards that went Houston's way last night were simply effort based and anticipation. That to me is mostly coaching. Some don't have it but Sampson coaches rebounding which then trickles down into other areas. There might be a thing or two Self can learn from his peer.

Turnovers.. I don't have an answer for why 23-24 year old adults continue to make the same careless unforced mistakes. Dribbling, passes over the top of defenders, fumbling the ball out of bounds, stepping on the out of bounds line. These things continue to show up in every game. Many of them were avoidable.

How do you play 34 minutes and put up a 2/3/2 box score?

@TYOHawk juan wasnt the only guy who sucked. But yeah. 2 assists more and Flory could have been our starting PG.

@TYOHawk in fairness to Juan, Zeke has 1 made 3 point FG in the last 3 games and 13 turnovers lol

@kjayhawks said in Lets take the lead into the first TV timeout!:

@TYOHawk in fairness to Juan, Zeke has 1 made 3 point FG in 3 the last games and 13 turnovers lol

Think the social media trolls have gotten to Zeke at this point and he’s in his own head.

@approxinfinity said in Lets take the lead into the first TV timeout!:

@TYOHawk juan wasnt the only guy who sucked. But yeah. 2 assists more and Flory could have been our starting PG.

I’m just tired of the passiveness…he hasn’t even attempted a 3 in 3 games….not make! He’s not even attempting 3’s at this point..it kills an offense to get that type of lack of production from a PG

We give him screens all game for him to just pass off.

@TYOHawk

He did not appear to be confident last night at all. Passed up several 3's he normally would have the green light on. His ball handling has become a major concern out there.

@TYOHawk I guess Tyshawn got on X and told him to toughen up. Seems like a lot of former players are calling out the Charmin softies

@TYOHawk yes times a hundred he has several wide open looks. Instead he likes to dribble in a big circle to underneath the basket, beating his man .2% of the time and leaving his feet to throw a crappy pass.

@BeddieKU23 said in Lets take the lead into the first TV timeout!:

"I don’t have an answer for why 23-24 year old adults continue to make the same careless unforced mistakes."

My opinion is that why shouldn't they? They get paid whether they're mistake free or not. They only have to show up and go through the motions. Nobody on this team (I guess) bleeds Crimson and Blue. There is no one playing currently that will ever write a book titled "Floor Burns".

Same reason that people at my place of employment come in 20 minutes late, take days off that they don't have PTO for, do a lackluster job on the rare occasions they are here. There are no consequences. Doing top-notch work and doing almost no work pay the same.

@kjayhawks that moved worked in the past for him, but maybe teams know to look for it now?

We've been spoiled in that KU has seemingly always had a 'lead guard'...someone who could both distribute and go get his own with confidence. I think that's where I'm at with Harris...he's just a guy...and for sure NOT a 'lead guard'. He may have fit as a traditional point guard a few decades ago, but in today's college basketball he just ain't it.

@TYOHawk Hell look how long it took Zeke to even put up a shot 0talk about not having it - -it your 2 man isn't attempting till the end of the half-- -- your screwed

@kjayhawks said in Lets take the lead into the first TV timeout!:

@TYOHawk I guess Tyshawn got on X and told him to toughen up. Seems like a lot of former players are calling out the Charmin softies

Frank criticized the leadership on Twitter on Saturday. Devon had a vague tweet today as well. Safe to say the former guys aren’t happy

@TYOHawk said in Lets take the lead into the first TV timeout!:

@kjayhawks said in Lets take the lead into the first TV timeout!:

@TYOHawk I guess Tyshawn got on X and told him to toughen up. Seems like a lot of former players are calling out the Charmin softies

Frank criticized the leadership on Twitter on Saturday. Devon had a vague tweet today as well. Safe to say the former guys aren’t happy

Probably sick that they couldn't legally make money while dajuan is earning 6 figures to put up this slop

Dajuans stats against big 12 opponents this year are pretty comparable to naadir tharpes.

listened to the Could be wrong KU podcast today some interesting lil tidbits/quotes , they all seem to agree Diggy for sure is the spark kinda of interesting , but yet thing mentioned , they said Diggy can always get his shot , no matter where- - they said the question becomes how can a little 5'8 guy get off his shot all the time and others struggle so badly?

Now here is something to chew on, can be Good and then also bad , and that was- --We ? KU gave to Houston- --THIRTY SEVEN extra Chanes to score the ball , meaning they Houston had Thirty Seven my opportunities to Score then KU---- from 17 -- Houston offensive rebounds-- & 20 - -KU turnovers.

So think about that for a minute -- - those numbers are not acceptable-- -that's bad thing- -the good thing from that ?- -we gave that many more chances up and STILL only lost by Six , we had a chance to the very end to win that. -- -Good thing. play that poorly and still have that chance in the final minutes

They Talked about how Dickinson was getting the hell beat out of him every trip down the floor and nothing being called.
They was talking about KJ and how he really going up and of course you not hearing near the Calls for Rylann taking more of KJ/s minutes now -- KJ just brins his lunch pail every night, does the firty work.- - -KJ did a great job on Roberts last night--- KJ didn't play against Houston last time. - - KJ last three game-- -15 points - - -21 pints - -% 13 rebounds- -and last night - -15 points- --& 9/10 from the free throw line.

They also brought out a very good possible point/thought. They said this ought to tell you something ,- -here we are on March 3rd and we have a Freshman RaKease on the floor playing more minutes then your portal guy Rylan Grifin-- sure is a pretty telling sign that the Staff does not felel that Rylan will be coming back next year.

Also mentioned that we have another Streak on the line Saturday-- -KU has won -- 40 years in a row on Senior Night - -think about that another streak broken ?- -they & me too think that streak stays alive- - all Think KU gonna wi Saturday.

They said they came out of this game against Houston not feeling as pissed, they felt because it just looked like Ku for the first time in awhile actually competed, saying our first shot defense was really good- -it was 2nd chance points that killed us.

Tehm they came out with a new Nick name for this time with tourney time coming up , they called it ;
DIGGY and the Miracles- -instead of Danny, Diggy wears Number-- 8--half of -88 ,- -Diggy is 5'8- -half of 88--- gotta love it

@TYOHawk said in Lets take the lead into the first TV timeout!:

@kjayhawks said in Lets take the lead into the first TV timeout!:

@TYOHawk I guess Tyshawn got on X and told him to toughen up. Seems like a lot of former players are calling out the Charmin softies

Frank criticized the leadership on Twitter on Saturday. Devon had a vague tweet today as well. Safe to say the former guys aren’t happy

Well they out a lot of blood, sweat and tears into this program while not getting the 6 figure salaries most of these guys are

@approxinfinity said in Lets take the lead into the first TV timeout!:

Dajuans stats against big 12 opponents this year are pretty comparable to naadir tharpes.

At this point I ld say it’s a wash to whom I’d rather have and also whom is the worst PG of Self era

Juan looks bad when you play him beside guys who aren’t scoring. He’s an assist guy. I could be wrong but isn’t he averaging double-digit scoring this year? His whole stat package would lift considerably if he was on a better team. He’s just the wrong PG on this team. We’d be better with a Frank Mason type PG. But with a better team, Juan suddenly looks right… like in 2022.

@approxinfinity said in Lets take the lead into the first TV timeout!:

@Texas-Hawk-10 mission accomplished on Hunter, I thought. (Apologies if you already circled back on your point about the importance of his engagement, otherwise would be curious if you were happy with his output in large part)

I don't know if happy is the word I would use because he did have 7 turnovers, but his energy and effort was there all night and helped keep KU in the game until the end.

I can’t believe we beat Duke early on. I know they play in a bad conference but I wouldn’t want to play them now. They were talking about how positive it is having a GM and I’m down with that. I’ve been critical about Self but it’s more about the environment surrounding him. If you want KU bringing home hardware, we’ve got to keep up with other programs. We’ve got facilities… McCarthy Hall, etc…. But now it’s about building a winning environment around the head coach. Scheyer is building a winning structure around him and we are falling behind.

@drgnslayr and if a slackjawed doofus like Scheyer can find success, you know the environment around him matters.

@drgnslayr said in Lets take the lead into the first TV timeout!:

Juan looks bad when you play him beside guys who aren’t scoring. He’s an assist guy. I could be wrong but isn’t he averaging double-digit scoring this year? His whole stat package would lift considerably if he was on a better team. He’s just the wrong PG on this team. We’d be better with a Frank Mason type PG. But with a better team, Juan suddenly looks right… like in 2022.

He’s averaging 9.1 points and 5.6 assists currently championship year he averaged 8.9 and 6.2 so pretty dang close to a wash. Thats one of my biggest Juan (KJ as well besides Dook and the last 2 games) complaints he flat out has not gotten better in any aspect of the game. He’s on pace for career lows in both FT shooting percentage and 3 shooting percentage. We heard the last two years it was because he was playing too much but he is averaging 3 minutes less per game and that’s with Shak being unavailable for about half of our games. Both him and KJ would be great back ups playing 12-17 minutes per game but it could be argued that they have developed less than any 4 plus year player in both the Self and Williams eras.

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@kjayhawks thanks for the stats. He just doesn’t look composed this year!

Found this take from a thread pretty dam solid. Couldn't be said any better,-- -Coach Self has Coached the exact same way for 22 Seasons. Many really good players they said had all survived Coach Self and they have admitted being a lot better off for it. All survived his tortuous system .Many of the players love Coach Self and they attribute much of their success to Coach Self . -Frank-- -Devonte- - -Brandon- - Mario-- -Sherron - - -Ochai - -- Doke- -Christan- - Svi - -Landon - -Thomas- - TyShawn ---Darnell-- -Saasha- -& Jeff -ALL appreciate Coach and his achievements and Coaching

Like the post said most of these guys didn't have this dam NIL like these guys today do , So when some of ush hear the bull shit about how Coach Self is to hard on his players, it makes a guy think back to all the really good players who would say to that- --would be - -F - - - off

Players like Storr feel like Coach is to hard , to tough on him- -life is a bitch sometimes can't handle the mental toughness ?, this is a mans game, with a mans accountability- -& Storr has done nothing-- showed nothing, so why the hell should he be put on the court even more-- -GREAT TAKE

@SlimShaddy54 there are other good players who didnt like Self. People can have different opinions of Self and both be valid. Lets say that in addition to Self coaching those players well, fortune smiled on them and they found themselves in his system at the right place and time to thrive and have a big impact.

@approxinfinity nobody said there wasn't -- I'll just continue to side with Coach as he has had way more accomplishments then bad, proof is in the pudding-- make mine Choclate

Odd note here…We were having our worst year in 42 seasons but we still beat the regular season B10 and ACC champions

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Odd note here…We were having our worst year in 42 season ms but we still beat the regular season B10 and ACC champions

100% on this observation. I been thinking of this and don't know how to interpret this. Did we get worse? Did they just get better and we didn't improve at the same rate? Are the top 5 teams in the B12 that much better than the best of the B10 and ACC?

@bskeet I think the answer is D: all of the above. We looked much better earlier in the season to me. It was like the Mizzou game broke us in a lot of ways. MSU to me maybe the most improved team in CBB this season. From unranked and thought to be mid B10 level to a top 10 team. The ACC and B10 are down this season from what I’ve seen of them. The Sec has looked far and away the best conference but I’d almost put the Big East at #2 right right and the B12 #3.